Jun 17, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

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>> MR. MATOVINA: WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE SO IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND, PLEASE.

I BLEJ ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY. LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THE ROLL JUST FOR THE -- TO HAVE IT OFFICIAL.

[Reading of the Public Notice statement by Vice-Chair.]

MR. MILLER. >> HERE.

>> MR. PETER. >> HERE.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> HERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA IS HERE. MS. PERKINS.

>> HERE. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.

>> HERE. >> DR. MCCORMICK IS NOT HERE.

MAYBE HE'LL BE HERE. OKAY.

MS. PERKINS, WOULD YOU READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT, PLEASE. YES.

THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CON CURSING WITH REQUIREMENTS OF PUBLIC LAW.

THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PURPOSE DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST DO SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS DESCRAIBL IN THE OFFICIAL ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD AT THE OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEASH CARDS ARE DURND INTO STAFF. THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MOAGHT AND IT'S A 11:00 TIME AS DESIGNATED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALING THREE MINUTES.

SPEAKERS SHOULD STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SPORIN TESTIMONY.

IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWROARN MAY BE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THE TESTIMONY.

IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARD AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY IN ANY REVIEW OR APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM. BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE

[Plaque presentation: Roy Alaimo]

>> THANK YOU, MEGAN. CHRISTINE, I'M GOING TO GO A LITTLE REVERSE ORDER. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PLAQUE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO THANK MR. ALAIMO FOR HIS SERVICE AND WE'RE TO GO DOWN THERE AND TAKE A PICTURE SO I'D ASK EVERYONE TO JOIN US IN THE FRONT FOR A PICTURE, PLEASE.

AND WE AND I WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DIDN'T SAY THANK YOU TO PETER. TODAY IS PETER'S -- RAISE YOUR HAND SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO YOU ARE, PETER.

TODAY IS PETER'S LAST DAY, AND I THINK HE HAS FAITHFULLY SERVED US FOR THREE YEARS, AND HE IS HEAD ON TO WORK FOR A CONTRACTOR

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AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO ASK CHRISTINE TO READ OUR ADOPTED PUBLIC DECORUM STATEMENT FOR PUBLIC SPEAKER'S, PLEASE.

>> YES. THERE'S A POLICY REGARDING RULES OF DECORUM FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. SPEAKERS MAY NOT DISRUPT WITH SLAN TRUST REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

WE ASK THAT SPEAKERS ADDRESS THE AGENCY AS A WHOLE AND NOT A PARTICULAR OR INDIVIDUAL MEMBER PLEASE PREFRAIN FROM MAKING ANY DEMAND FOR AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE AGENCY.

PERSONAL REMARKS ARE THOSE CONSIDERED RELATING TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S CHARACTER OR MOTIVES, IMNERNT REMARKS, I EVER

[Public Comments.]

SLAN TRUST REMARKS ARE FALSE STATEMENTS OR MISREPRESENTATIONS WHICH DEFAME OR DAMAGE A PERSON'S REPUTATION, AND BOYS INDUSTRIOUS TRUST BEHAVIOR IS CONSIDERED BEHAVIOR WHEN IS NOISY, ROID OR OVERLY EX UBIQUITY RANT.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION OF OUR AGENDA.

THIS IS A TIME WHEN YOU CAN COMMENT ON AN AGENDA ITEM OR AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AS EACH ITEM COMES UP, ALSO, SO IF YOU'RE COMMENTING COMMENTINGLY ON AN ITEM YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO WAIT SO WE DON'T FORGET WHAT YOU SAID. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME?

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD. ED FLAVIN.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SIEVERS.

ED SLAIRCH BOXES 308, ED FLAIN.COM.

THERE WAS A HATE LETTER IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD ON SUNDAY SIGNED BY MR. ALAIMO AS CHAIR OF THE S. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE, AND IN RESPONSE LET ME QUOTE WHAT ROBERT KENNEDY SAID IN INDIANAPOLIS IN 19 SCAFERGHT DR. KING WAS MURDER IN MEMPHIS. WE WHAT WERE NEED IN THE UNITED STATES IS NOT HATRED. WHAT WE NEED IS NOT VIOLENCE OR LAWLESSNESS BUT LOVE AND WISDOM AND COMPASSION TOWARDS THOSE WITHIN OUR COUNTRY WHO STILL SUFFER WHETHER THEY BE WHITE OR WHETHER THEY BE BLACK. AND I WOULD ADD WHETHER THEY BE GEYER LESBIAN OR BISEXUAL OR TRANS EXPWRERNTIOND THIS COUNTY HAS A REALLY BAD RECORD ON CIVIL RIGHTS.

IN FACT, THE COUNTY COMMISSION CHAIRMAN IS NOW BEING SUED IN FEDERAL COURT BECAUSE HE PREVENTED THE MORE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FREEFN CONSIDERING A -- FROM EVEN CONSIDERING A ROUTINE RESOLUTION, PROCLAMATION THAT S. AUGUSTINE AND EVERYBODY ELSE DOES AND JOE BIDEN DOES HONORING GAY PRIDE, HONORING GAY, LESBIAN, TRANSGENDER PRIDE, AND IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK THAT OUR COUNTY SHOW RESPECT, AND THIS LETTER, THIS HATE LETTER, WHICH YOU SHOULD READ FOR YOURSELF.

>> SIR, I'D ASK YOU TO QUIT REFERRING TO THAT AS A HATE

LETTER. >> PLASTY STOP THE CLOCK.

DON'T INTERRUPTY WITHOUT STOPPING THE CLOCK GLIEMENT

GOING TO STOP. >> STOP THE CLOCK, PLEASE.

>> I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU REMOVED.

YOU'RE GOING TO STOP REFERRING TO THAT AS A HATE LETTER OR

YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED. >> THE LETTER SPEAKS FOR

ITSELF. >> THAT'S FINE.

LET THE LETTER SPEAK FOR ITSELF.

>> PLEASE STOP THE CLOCK. YOU'RE TAKING MY TIME.

>> MR. SLAIFN SLAVEN, IF THE LETTER SPEAKS FOR ITSELF BE YOU

MAY READ THE LETTER. >> I'M NOT GOING TO READ THE LETTER. I WANT MY TIME.

IN 1566 PEDRO ALVES THE FOUNDER OF THE CITY OF YOU ST. AUGUSTINE ORDERED A GAY FRENCH INDIAN TO BE KILLED BECAUSE IN HIS WORDS HE I WAS SODOMITE AND A LUTHERAN.

IN THAT SAME MEAN-SPIRITED VISION IS TOO COMMON IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY. NOW, WE HAVE WON MANY VICTORIES, INCLUDING THE RIGHT TO MARRY, THE RIGHT NOT TO BE CRIMINALLY PROSECUTED, THE RIGHT TO EQUAL PROTECTION, THE RIGHT TO NON-DISCRIMINATION AND EMPLOYMENT, AND THESE ARE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS, AND THOSE RIGHTS AND THOSE DECISIONS ARE WHAT IS MOCKED IN THAT LETTER.

IT WAS WRONG. IT'S AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. IT REFLECTS POORLY ON THIS BOARD. IT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF ST. AUGUSTINE OR ST. ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WAS DONE SUA SPONTE, AND I WOULD REMIND YA'LL THAT A PRIOR CHAIR OF THE ST. JOHNS EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WAS REMOVED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF FLORIDA FOR TAKING A POSITION AGAINST THE TRANS BOY AT NICE, IT WASN'T ULTRA VIRUS ACT THEN, IT'S THE AN ULTRA VIRUS ACT NOW.

IT WAS MEAN-SPIRITED AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED

OF, MR. ALAIMO. >> ARCHBISHOP, NO MORE PERSONAL

ATTACKS. >> IT'S NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK.

>> YES, IT MAY. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, COMMENTS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD IS

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>> I'M SHOCKED THAT SOMEBODY WOULD SAY SOMETHING SO

[1. ZVAR 2021-10 Seaside Vista Subdivision (Lot 27).]

>> CHAWR, THE SPEAKER'S TIME HAS EXPIRED.

>> TIME IS UP, MR. SLAVE EVAN. >> YOUR TIME IS UP.

YOU'RE NOT A VERY GOOD CHAIR AND NEITHER IS MR. ALAIMO.

>> OKAY. WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 1. AND WE'RE ASKING FOR MR. NGUYEN WITH DOMINION ENGINEERING. YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE MR. NGUYEN.

I'LL BET YOUR NAME IS BILL. >> MY NAME IS WILLIAM SHAFFER.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF DOMINION ENGINEERING GROUP.

CHARLEY NGUYEN, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD THE WAY YOU FROWNS I CAN IT LIE A WINNER, CHERYL NGUYEN IS AN ENGINEER IN MY OFFICE AND HE FILED THAT ON MY BEHALF. WE NOTICED IT CAME OUT IN HIS NAME BUT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING WITH STAFF ALL ALONG WITH REGARDS TO THIS VARIANCE, AND SO IT'S MY ACTIVITY AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FIRM. .

I FIRST WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

AS I KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT, SEASIDE VISTA, THIS IS A VARIANCE FOR LOT 27.

SEASIDE VISTA IS A CURRENTLY IN THE SOLANO BEACH AREA.

IT'S A PROJECT THAT IS A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTED. THE AS-BUILT DRAWINGS WERE APPROVED, AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE FINAL PLAT DONE ON IT.

AND IN FRYING TO GET THE PLATTING DONE, WE RILED THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP WITH REGARDS, REALIZED THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES THAT CAME UP WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERING ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT.

MY FIRM DID NOT DO THIS DESIGN ON IT.

IT WAS DONE BY ANOTHER FIRM. WE WERE ASKED TO COME IN AND HELP WITH THE PLATTING PROCESS. IF YOU WILL TURN TO THE NEXT PAGE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE SEASIDE SEASIDE VISTA AND TE THE LOTS ON SEASIDE VISTA COURT THEY ALL HAVE LOT NUMBERS ON IT AND THEY WERE ASSIGNED AND IT CURRENTLY HAS A LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL C THERE ON THAT. IT IS DIRECTLY ON US-1.

THIS PARCEL ACTUALLY FACES SEASIDE VISTA COURT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN IN A FUTURE EXHIBIT.

THE ZONING OUT THERE IS CURRENTLY RG-2 AND N RG-2 ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRES MAIN MUM LOT WITH 75 FEET.

AND SO MINIMUM LOT OF 75 FEET. SO THE NEXT ONE WILL BE AN AERIAL THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE LOCATION OF LOT.

THIS AERIAL IS A DATED AERIAL. I COULDN'T GET ONE THAT SHOWED IT BUILT, BUT THE WHOLE AREA INSIDE OF THE SEASIDE VAUGHT VATIS VISTA PROJECT IS CONSTRUCTED.

POLLEN ARE IN. ROADWAYS ARE IN.

THE UTILITY PROVIDER FOR THIS PROJECT IS JEA P AND THIS ONE IN MY SLIDE IT'S 27 LOT SUBDIVISION.

THE CONSTRUCTION INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN APPROVED BY S. JOHNS COUNTY. JEA HAS DONE THEIR FINAL INSPECTIONS ON IT, AND THE ONLY THING WE NEED-TO-FROM JEA FOR FULL UTILITY ACCEPTANCE IS, OF COURSE, THE PLAT.

ANOTHER ENGINEERING FIRM HAD SOME ERRORS IN IT.

AND IN GENERAL LOT AREAS WERE INCORRECT AND WE SUBMITTED A MOD CP TO MODIFY AND IT IT ENDED UP BEING MODIFIED CONSTRUCTION COMMERCIAL PLAN REVISION BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY AS BUILT.

WE COULDN'T DO A MODCP SO WE MODIFIED IT TO THAT, AND IN THAT PROCESS IT WAS RECOGNIZED THAT LOT 27 WAS 64.7 FEET.

NOT 75 FEET. IT'S A PIE-SHAPED WHERE THE DISTANCE ALONG THE ROAD EXPWAIT DISTANCE IN THE BACK VARY SIGNIFICANTLY. SO-SO THE BACK OF THE LOT IS I THINK 90 FEET ON IT AND 91 WANT 47 FEET IS THE BACK OF THE LOT, AND THE FRONT OF THE LOCK IS 64.7 FEET WIDE ALONG SEASIDE VAUGHT SEASIDE VISTA CO. YOU CAN SEE ON THE EXHIBIT IT'S A DIMENSIONAL PLAN. OF COURSE IT'S TURNED SIDEWAYS BUT YOU STILL CAN READ IT. IN THE FRONT THERE'S A FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT EASEMENT. THERE'S A 25-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK. AT THE SED SETBACK LINE IT'S 54.65 FEET, AND THAT WIDTH OF 54.65 FEET IS A LITTLE LESS THAN

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AND SO THE PARCEL IS INSIDE SEASIDE VISTA AND WILL BE DEFINITELY WITH SIMILAR HOMES AS THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION, SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THE SMALL LITTLE NARROW PART IN THE FRONT TO CHANGE THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO BE -- THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE CONSIST OF.

AS A RESULT, WE THINK THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS CONSIST OF WITH THE IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING AND THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

ALSO, SUCH VARIANCE WOULD NOT BE CONTRARY TO PUBLIC INTEREST.

SEASIDE VISTA HAS 26 LOTS AND ALL OF EM THIS ARE 75 FEET WIDE. THE LOTS TO THE EAST OF SEASIDE VISTA ON EAST BAY DRIVE THERE ARE LOTS AS NARROW AS 40 FEET.

THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY SOUTH OF THIS.

AND THEN ALSO TO THE NORTH ON KINGSTON DRIVE, WHICH LOFTS A WIDTH AS NARROW AS 50 FEET. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THIS VARIANCE MEETS THE CRITERIA OF NOT BEING CON TRAITOR TO PUBLIC INTEREST AND BEING CONSIST OF WITH THAT IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND IT.

AND SO WITH THAT I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS VARIANCE.

>> ARE THERE STL ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS FROM ANY OF THE MEMBERS TO DECLARE? HOW ABOUT QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE NOBODY ON THE LIST.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I'M INCLINED TO APPROVE THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE REAR LOT LINE IS 91 FEET, AND YOU DID -- WHAT IS A QUESTION I HAD. I LOOKED AT ALL YOUR DRAWINGS BUT I COULDN'T TBIEND THAT MEASUREMENT BUT I FIGURED IT WAS WELL OVER 75 FEET. THIS IS A TRUNCATED PIE-SHAPED SORT OF LOT SO I'M A INCLINED TO APPROVE IT.

BUT IT'S STATED IN THE ITEM THAT YA'LL WERE NOT GOING TO BUILD IN THE FLOOD ZONE AE ON THE MAP, AND THERE'S AN AREA AT THE VERY WESTERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS IN FLOOD ZONE AE, AND YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T GOING TO BUILD THERE.

BUT MY READING OF THE MAP, MAYBE I'M WRONG HERE SO MAYBE YOU COULD CORRECT ME, IS THAT LOTS 13, 14 AND 15 ARE WHOLLY WITHIN THE AE FLOOD ZONE. IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER PROVIDING ANY DOCUMENTATION WITH REGARDS TO THAT. THAT MIGHTING A BE A STAFF REPORT. WE'RE HERE FOR LOT 27 AND I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PART OF IT.

THE PREVIOUS PROJECT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED THROUGH S. JOHNS COUNTY SO TY THE COUNTY ENGINEERING AND LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, THEY MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, WHATEVER THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, SIR.

>> OKAY. THANKS.

>> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF THE AGENCY? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. OH, PUBLIC COMMENT.

EXCUSE ME. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL PUBLIC SPEAKERS. KAREN SHOALS.

YOU CAN COME UP HERE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

CAN YOU PLEASE ADDRESS -- STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD, PLEASE. >> KAREN SHUTTLES.

DID YOU WANT MY WHOLE ADDRESS? 120 -- COMMON CIRCLE.

120 LOSSA COMMON CIRCUMSTANTIAL, ST. AUGUSTINE.

IS THAT ALL YOU ASKED FOR? OKAY.

WE WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN SEASIDE SPRAWPTS WE LOVE LIVING DIS JOHNS COUNTY. IF YOU APPROVE HIS VARIANCE, IS THIS GOING TO BE IT OR ARE THERE MORE ISSUES?

>> MORE ISSUES WITH? >> SEASIDE VISTA BEING DEVELOPED. LIKE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME WE'VE BEEN WAITING. SO MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER PIPE NOT TRYING TO BE BELLIGERENT.

I'M JUST WONDERING. >> ALL WE DO HERE MA'AM IS APPROVE VARIANCES. THE PROCESS IS BEYOND US THAT GO THROUGH STAFF APPROVAL IF YOU'RE BUILDING ON THAT HALF LOT, SO THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL PROCESSES, BUT NOT AT THIS

LEVEL. >> SO, OKAY.

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APPROVED, RIGHT? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> IT COULD BE OTHER AGENCIES. >> I'M NOT SURE -- ARE YOU

BUILDING A HOUSE ON THIS LOT? >> NOT THIS LOT.

IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S KEEPING EVERYBODY FROM BUILDING. SO I'M JUST WONDERING ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES. BUT YOU DO NOT KNOW.

>> I DON'T KNOW. YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE

STAFF. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS OX ANA PINELA.

YOU DON'T WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY.

DAVID CHESTER. NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY TO SPEAK CLEARLY AND WITH A LITTLE VOLUME INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

>> OKAY. MY NAME IS DAVID CHESTER.

I LIVE AT 280 BRIGHTON COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND IN THE SUBDIVISION IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF SEASIDE VISTA.

ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS ASKED EMPLOYEE TO READ A LETTER.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN YOUR MATERIAL.

SHE SENT IT IN FOR YOU TO READ. IF IT IS, THEN I WON'T READ THAT. I'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION.

HER NAME IS JODY YOUNG. >> YES, WE HAVE AN EMAIL FROM

HER. >> YOU HAVE AN EMAIL THAT'LL BE READ LATER? OKAY.

YEAH, MY QUESTION, I GUESS ON THIS IS I'VE SEEN DRAWINGS WHERE IT APPEARS THERE'S 28 LOTS, AND THERE'S A LOT TO THE EAST OF THE WATER RETENTION, AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT IS COUPLED WITH THIS REQUEST OR IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'LL BE ASKED FOR AT A LATER DATE. DOES THIS EXREAT A VARIANCE FOR EVERY PROPERTY IN THE SUB DWB CREATE A VARIANCE FOR EVERY PROPERTY IN THE SUBDIVISION OR JUST 27 IN.

>> THIS CREATES A VARIANCE FOR LOT 27 ONLY.

>> IS THERE A REQUEST FOR ANYTHING ON 28?

>> NOT BEFORE US. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> BARBARA BENEDICT OR BENDICT. >> BAUSH BENDICK 228 KINGSTON DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE. SO MY PROPERTY WRIB BACK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED, AND SO AS MR. CHESTER JUST STATED, I KNOW THAT NO ONE HAS A CRYSTAL BALL AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT LOT 28 WILL COME UNDER DISCUSSION, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A VARIANCE NOW, AND THIS HAS BEEN RE-- THIS GENTLEMAN SAID SOMEBODY ELSE DID THE ORIGINAL PLANS AND THE ORIGINAL PLANS. THIS IS THE THIRD GROUP THAT'S COMING THROUGH HERE. SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS ADD ADJACENT E CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED AT ONE POINT UNDER CERTAIN THINGS, AND WITH DRAINAGE AND WITH ISSUES LIKE THAT, AND NOW WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT LOT 27 IS GOING TO KIND OF MAKE CHANGES THAT IS GOING TO EFFECT ALL OF US.

NOW -- AND I REALIZED NOBODY HAS A CRYSTAL BALL AND WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT 27, BUT THIS IS OUR CANCER PROPERTY OWNERS.

ANOTHER THING IS HE DID STATE THAT IT'S ONLY A -- IT'S A PIE-SHAPED LOT AND IT'S ONLY A DIFFERENT REALLY 2.44 FEET.

WELL, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT HOUSE IS PLACED ON THAT LOT AND 2.44 FEET MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WITH DRAINAGE AND WITH FIRE AND WITH NOISE AND WITH THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'RE BUILDING THESE HOUSES RIGHT ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER AS IT IS, AND 2.44 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND THAT'S WHY ZONING ORDINANCES ARE IN PLACE, SO THAT WE HAVE SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AGAIN, I IMHEE DIEFNT CRYSTAL BALL AND WE CAN'T BE TALKING ABOUT LOT 28 THAT THEY HAVE SET OUT.

IF YOU PULL OUT THEIR INFORMATION, THEY HAVE A LOT 28 WITH A PREMIUM. IT'S A PREMIUM LOT.

THEY GET ANOTHER $150,000 FOR IT.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S NOT A LOT AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH DRAINAGE AND IT HAS TO DO WITH LAND THAT WAS SET ASIDE, BUT YOU CAN PULL IT UP AND IT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE TRASSING THAT THEY WANT A LOT -- FORECASTING THAT THEY WANT A LOT.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S POSITIVE BUT THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

ANYHOW, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> GREG.

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>> HELLO. MY NAME IS AGREEING I LIVE AT 455 EDEN BAY DIRECTLY SOUTH OF SEASIDE VISTA.

I HAVE QUITE A FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE OFF EDEN BAY BACK HERE BEHIND ME. OUR COMMENTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE PREVIOUS WHICH IS WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT LOT 28, AND THAT REALLY ENCROACHES VERY, VERY CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY LINES ON OUR SIDE AND TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE AND DRAINAGE AND/OR OPPORTUNITY FOR KIND OF GREEN SPACE THAT WE ALL ENJOY.

ON LOT 27 SPECIFICALLY, I THINK OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS NOT NECESSARILY THE VARIANCE OF A COUPLE FEET BUT MORE THAT SETS A PRESS DPOARNT REST OF T FOR THE REST OF THE LOTS TO BE REZONED OR CHANGED AND THEREBY ADDING DENSITY.

THOSE WERE OUR TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU GUYS APPROVE THE CHANGE TO LOT 27, THAT IT DOESN'T BECOME A NEW STANDARD, IF YOU WILL, TO REZONING ALL OF THE LOTS. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH OUR

COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> PEGGY HALLE HALL HALLIBURTON. THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKER CARDS.

>> WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS ANY OF THE

COMMENTS? >> I APPRECIATE ALL THE CONCERN FROM THE NEIGHBORS. I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS.

THE MAJOR CONCERN THAT I HAD IN THE CONVERSATION WAS MORE PARTICULARLY WHERE WE GOING TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION GOING BECAUSE THE HOMES TOWARDS A WIND BREAK AND THERE'S A LARGE SEA SPRAY THAT COMES UP THERE, AND SO WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON GETTING THE PLAT DONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAST PIECE IN THE PUZZLE RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS NOT PART OF THE PLAT BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT -- AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PULLED OUT OF THE PLAT, BUT THERE'S 27 LOTS IN THE PLAT. THERE'S 27 LOTS THAT ARE SERVED CURRENTLY BY DRAINAGE, UTILITIES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

HE THEY MEETZ ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULAR PLAIPTIONZ WE WON'T BE PUTTING WARD ON ANY ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THERE'S A STORM WATER POND ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT TREATS THE WATER AND DISCHARGES IT APPROPRIATELY.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND UNLESS THERE'S A SPUSK QUESTION THAT

YOU HAVE, I'M DONE. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> WELL, WHEN I CAME IN HERE TODAY, I WAS PREPARED TO VOTE FOR THIS, BUT HEARING NEIGHBOR OPPOSITION, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I GET MY AGENDA ITEMS ELECTRONICALLY. I DON'T GET THE BIG NOTEBOOK SO IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM NOW BUT I HAVE NOTES. I DON'T REMEMBER ANY LOT 28 BEING MENTIONED. PERHAPS YOU COULD ADDRESS THAT OR STAFF DO COULD ADDRESS THAT. IS THERE A LOT 28 OUT THERE?

>> THERE'S 27 LOTS THAT ARE IN THE SUBDIVISION.

THAT'S THE 27 LOTS THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THOSE ARE THE LOTS THAT ARE IN THE PLAT. THIS IS LOT 27.

THE PLOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE FROM IT IS LOT NUMBER 1 AND IT RUNS DOWN THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC.

THERE IS ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IN THIS GEOGRAPHIC AREA, AND IT'S NOT PART OF THIS SUBDIVISION. IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE LOT, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS TO BE DEVELOPED, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO MEET ALL OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

IT'S ALSO IN ITS OVERLAY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A SINGLE LOT THAT WAS OUT THERE, AND SO THERE'S NOT A LOT 28 IN THE SUBDIVISION. THERE'S ONLY 27.

AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED WITH REGARDS TO MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S NO OTHER ANTICIPATED LOT VARIANCES OR MODIFYING OF THE LOTS BECAUSE LOTS HAVE TO BE 75 FEET WIDE, AND SOME OF THE LOTS ARE EVEN WIDER THAN 75 FEET INSIDE OF IT AND WE'RE NOT MOVING ANY LOT LINES.

WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET THIS THING PLATTED SO WE CAN GET THE HOMES CONSTRUCTED, LIKE THE NEIGHBORS TOLD ME.

>> THERE'S NOT A LOT 28 THAT'S SELLING FOR A $150,000 PREMIUM

AS WAS JUST STATED. >> NOT IN SEASIDE VISTA

SUBDIVISION, NO, SIR. >> OKAY.

THANKS. .

>> US IN ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MS. PERKINS.

>> I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO PROVE ZONING VARIANCE 21-10 SEASIDE VISTA SUBDIVISION LOT 27, A REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 6 ROTTEN W.1 TO ALLOW A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 64 HADN'T 7 FEET IN LIEU OF THE TRIRD 75 FEET IN RESIDENIAL, GENERAL RG-2 ZONING SPECIFICALLY TO LOT 27, FIVE

[2. MINMOD 2020-16 309 Constitution Drive.]

IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS FOR APPROVAL, A SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO.

I'M OPENING UP FOR DISCUSSION. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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MOVING ON TO NUMBER 2, FIRST I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE WAS ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION AMONGST BOARD MEMBERS FOR NUMBER 2.

SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT, MR. O'DELL, TO COME

ON UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

RYAN O'DELL 294 SANDY COVE, ST. JOHNS, FLORIDA.

THE DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION OF RIVERSIDE HOMES AND WE ARE HERE REQUESTING MINOR MODIFICATION FOR A SIDE SETBACK OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. ONE OF THEM IS THE AC EQUIPMENT WHICH WOULD NEED TO BE MODIFIED TO 1.85 FEET INSTEAD OF 2, AND THE OTHER WOULD BE FOR POOL EQUIPMENT TO BE MODIFIED TO 1 FOOT INSTEAD OF 2. SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS A FINAL SURVEY OF THE EQUIPMENT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE HOUSE. ? IS THAT THE END OF YOUR PRESENTATION?

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY AGENCY MEMBERS?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> WELL, IT'S STATED IN THE APPLICATION THAT THE LOT NARROWS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

I COULD FIND IN THE MATERIALS THAT WERE PRESENTED, NOT BY YOU BUT IN THE BOOK, ELECTRONICALLY FOR ME, MOST OF THE LOTS OUT THERE ARE 50 FEET. COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME IF, INDEED, THE LOT NARROWS FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT NARROWS.

YOU ALSO, AND YOU CAN ANSWER THIS NEXT, SAY THAT THERE'S AN EXPENSIVE SLOPE IN THE LOT, AND I CAN SEE THE PHOTOS.

THERE WERE TWO PHOTOS YA'LL HAD IN THERE OF THE EQUIPMENT LOOKING BACK TOWARD THE BACKYARD.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW MUCH THAT DOES SLOPE DOWN BACK THERE AND HOW STEEP THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE DEGREES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY OR IF YOU HAVE OTHER PHOTOS, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT POOL EQUIPMENT COULD HAVE BEEN AND THE AC UNITS COULD HAVE BEEN PUT AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE RATHER THAN ON THE SIDE, AND IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE, I'D BE APPRECIATIVE.

THANK YOU. >> SURE.

SO THE LOT ONLY NARROWS WHEN IT GETS TO THE POND, NOT ACTUALLY AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE POND BANK IS ROUGHLY ABOUT A 5-FOOT DROP-OFF FROM THE BACK OF THE POOL AREA DOWN TO WHERE THE POND BANK IS, SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN A ISSUE WITH WATER RUNOFF COMING DOWN THE SIDE YARD AS FAR AS ANY STANDING WATER IMPEDING

THE FLOW OF IT. >> OKAY.

SO IT WAS STATED THAT THERE WAS NO POSSIBLE WAY TO PUT THE EQUIPMENT ANYWHERE ELSE, AND YOU COULDN'T LEVEL IT OUT, YOU COULDN'T DO A CONCRETE PAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO LEVEL IT

BACK THERE? >> WHERE THE EQUIPMENT IS

LOCATED NOW? >> IF YOU WERE TO LOK IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. -- LOCATE IT SOMEWHEREELS.

>> THERE WONT WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO LOCATE IT SOMEWHERE EXCELS HAVE THE IT FUNCTION AS IT NEEDS TO.

>> THERE WOULD NOT. >> THERE WOULD NOT BE.

WE GOT A COMMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS FROM, THAT COULD WE ADD ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE AROUND THE EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE OR TO HOPE THE FLOW IF NEEDED, AND WE CAN.

WE CAN ADD A YARD DRAIN FROM FRENCH DRAIN CORRUGATED PIPE TO HELP GET WATER OUT BUT, AGAIN WE HAVE BEEN NOT SEEN ANY PACKAGE OR STOPPAGE OF WATER ON THAT SIDE YARD.

>> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> NO. >> OKAY.

THEN WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINMOD ANYCATION 2020-16 TO THE NOCATEE PUD ON THE OTHER HAND AS AMENDED TO ALLOW A SIDE YARDY IS BACK OF 1 FOOT IN LIEU OF THE 2-FOOT REQUIREMENT TO ACCOMMODATE DATE THE PLACEMENT OF AN AC AND POOL EQUIPMENT SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 309 CONSTITUTION DRIVE AS SUBJECT IS OH TO FIVE BS SEVEN CONDITIONS

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>> A MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO. THERE IS A SECOND.

SECOND BY MR. MILLER. LET'S GO AHEAD.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

VOTE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, PRESENTATION BY MS. EGLESTON. IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DECLARE FOR ITEM NUMBER 3? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M BRAD, MS. EGLESTON APPLIED FOR THIS.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF CRUMB MS. SO WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A MUREN MODIFICATION TO AN IRREGULAR LOT SIZE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE SWIMMING POOL. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A CONSERVATION AREA IN THE REAR. THE HOUSE HAS BEEN -- IT'S A LARGER THAN NORMAL HOUSE. HOMEOWNERS HAVE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, AND WISHING TO INSTALL A SWIMMING POOL.

THERE'S AN EXISTING 10-FOOT REAR SETBACK.

WE'RE ASKING FOR CEO OF ENCROACHMENT OF THAT AND ALSO ENCROACHING THE SIDE SETBACKS AS WELL.

>> OKAY. DOES ANYBODY -- ARE YOU DONE,

SIR? >> YES, SIR.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM

THE AGENCY? >> I DO.

I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE RATIO OF IMPERVIOUS AREA TO THE TOTAL LOT ON THE PROPERTY. THERE WAS SOME CALCULATIONS IN MATERIAL THAT WE REVIEWED, BUT COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE RATIO IS.

>> WE ARE WITHIN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, COUNTED THE WOOD DECK ON THE REAR, SO THAT WAS A MISHAP ON THE : ACCUMULATIONS.

IT'S NOT ALL CONCRETE PAVERS. >> SO THAT WAS THE LETTER AT THE

VERY END OF THE APPLICATION? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE QUARTER INCH SPACING OF THE BOARDS OR THE TRACK TREKS OR WHATEVER THE ZIDEK MADE OF?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I DID NOTICE THERE WERE NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.

>> WE GOT LETTERS FROM BOTH SIDES, AND WE ALSO -- THE LADY THAT SUTS ON THE HAO IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND WE GOT HER APPROVAL AS WELL. WE MADE SURE EVERYTHING WOULD BE APPROVED INTO AI HAVERB PRIOR TO COMING DO YOU TO YOU GUYS.

>> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, IS THERE AN HOA THERE.

>> THERE IS AN HOA. >> I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE APPLICATION. SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT LETTER FROM THE HOA APPROVAL. HAS ANYONE SEEN IT?

I DON'T RECALL IT. >> NO, WE HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THE ARB HOA. IT'S AN ARB.

IT'S PALENCIA. SO THEY WOULD NOT SEE ANYTHING UNTIL WE GOT TO VARIANCE FROM YOU GUYS.

>> REALLY? BECAUSE I'VE SERVED ON ARBS.

>> THIS HAS BEEN -- WE'VE BATTLED THIS FOR MONTHS.

WE WEPT BACK AND FORTH. WE WERE GIVEN A LOT OF WRONG INFORMATION FROM THE ARB. THERE WERE MULTIPLE OVERLAY SETBACKS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WERE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WERE WE'RE KIND OF HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TO GET DOWN TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT IT IS, SO WE LOCATED THE COUNTY SETBACKS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE MUREN MONEY MODIFICATION

FOR. >> SO THERE'S NO WAY TO MOVE THIS DESIGN A LITTLE TO THE NORTH, NORTHWEST.

>> THERE ISN'T. IF YOU SCROLL THROUGH THESE AND GO TO ONE OF THE RENDERINGS WEEKS THE WAY THE SURVEY IS SET UP, THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY BUILT OUT BEYOND WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ACTUAL SLAB IS, SO IT'S ALL ELEVATED.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY -- WE WOULD HAVE NO ROOM TO EVEN COME DOWN TO GET DOWN TO GRADE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BUILD UP.

SO WE MADE SURE WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES.

THERE'S A CONSERVATION AREA IN THE REAR.

EVERYTHING WILL BE FREE-FLOWING BACK TO THAT.

IT'S UNDEVELOPABLE LAND. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HE EVER

ASKING FOR THE MINOR MOD. >> I DON'T MIND AT ALL THE SETBACK IN THE REAR. YOU'RE STAYING OUT OF THAT

CONSERVATION AREA BACK THERE. >> CORRECT.

>> THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME, BUT A ZERO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE

RIGHT ON THE LINE. >> SO IN -- AND THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT AS WELL. THIS PARTICULAR PUD IS SET UP FOR A MAX OF 6, NO LESS THAN 2, SO YOU CAN'T GO LESS THAN 2 ON THE SIDE, SO WE'RE ASKING TO ENCROACH THAT BY 2.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE ARE EXISTING WING WALLS FOR MECHANICAL SLABS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ENCROACHING ANY FURTHER THAN THEY ARE.

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SO WE WOULD NOT BE CAUSING ANY ENCROACHMENT FROM THAT

STANDPOINT. >> OKAY.

BUT A ZERO ON THE SIDE, ZERO SETBACK, SO TO ANY EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING, LET'S SAY YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE POWER-WASHED, THE PERSON DOING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO DO IT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, AND THAT'S WHY WE ASKED BOTH NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE ON THE SIDE, WE WOULD BE ASKING FOR THE ZERO FOR APPROVAL OF THIS. IF YOU LOOK IN THAT PICTURE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE STEPS TO GET DOWN TO THE LOWER AREA IS WHAT IS ENCROACHING IT, SO WE HAVE TRIED TO INCORPORATE THOSE STEPS WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT, AND IT'S BEEN PRETTY DIFFICULT BASED ON THE HEIGHT OF WHERE EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE. SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE STEPS

THAT'S ENCROACHING. >> OKAY.

IT CONCERNS ME. YOU SAID WITH THE HOA IT HAD

BEEN A BATTLE. >> WHAT I MEAN BY A BATTLE IS GETTING PROPER INFORMATION OF PROPER SETBACKS.

WE WERE TOLD 10-FOOT. WE WERE TOLD 2-FOOT.

WE WERE SOLD ZERO. WE WERE TOLD ALL DIFFERENT SORTS OF STUFF IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH THIS DESIGN.

SO IT WAS -- THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT WERE MANAGING THE HOA, SO IT WAS A BATTLE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, NOT ARGUING WHETHER WE COULD DO IT OR NOT.

SO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA HAS GIVEN APPROVAL ON THIS.

WE HAVE THE LETTERS IN HERE FROM THEM, BUT WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE FULL ARB APPROVAL PROCESS.

WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT THIS TO THEIR ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE

THEY WOULD BE OKAY. >> SO YOU HAVE AN HOA LETTER?

>> WE DO. >> CAN YOU SHOW IT.

>> NOT FROM THE HOA, NO. IT'S FROM THE GAL THAT SITS ON THE BOARD OF THE HOA AND THE TWO NEIGHBORS.

SO IF YOU NEED ME TO SUPPLY THAT TO YOU, I HOPE WYE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS, BUT IF I NEED TO SUPPLY THAT FOR THE APPROVAL, WE CAN DO SO.

>> IF YOU HAVE IT, I'M JUST SURPRISED YOU DIDN'T BRING IT

TODAY. >> WELL, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE ARB PROCESS.

WE SPOKE TO THE BOARD PRESIDENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WOULD BE OKAY. THEY'VE ALREADY REVIEWED IT.

THEY HAVE JUST NOT ISSUED A LETTER, MAINLY BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HAVING ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE EXPROIRNTION I DON'T THINK THEY WANTED TO RUN IT THROUGH THEIR AVENUE UNTIL YOU

GUYS APPROVED IT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> APPRECIATE IT. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM THE AGENCY MEMBERS?

HOW ABOUT PUBLIC SEARKS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

>> WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2021-03, 1 FROM 4.

MODIFICATION TO THE MARSHALL DREEK UD.

ON THE OTHER HAND 1998-64 AS AMEND TODAY ALLOW A REAR YARD SETBACK OF TWO ANDING HAVE THAT FEET IN LIEU OF THE 10-FOOT REQUIREMENT AND A ZERO FOOT MINIMUM SIDE SEAT BACKPACK THAT WILL YOU OF THE TWO FOOT REQUIREMENTS TO ACCOMMODATE PLACE A YOU COVERED SWITCHING COMING SPIPG -- BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN

THE STAFF REPORT. >> ALL RIGHT.

MOTION BY MS. PERKINS FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I'VE SEEN SEVERAL THESE, MORE THAN SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES LIKE THIS, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF THE LOTS OUT THERE ARE PRETTY NARROW, BUILDING LOTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THE OWNERS PUT A FAIRLY LARGE HOUSE ON THEM, AND THEN THEY COME TO US FOR A VARIANCE, SO I JUST THINK THAT -- I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE HOMEOWNER. BUYING A NARROW LOT, HAVING A LARGE HOUSE AND REALLY NO PLACE TO GO.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF THAT. SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE HOMEOWNER, AND SINCE THE HOMEOWNERS ON EACH TIED ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS -- SIDE ARE IN

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>> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

ALL RIGHT. THAT'S APPROVED, SIR.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GUYS.

>> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4, SHERMAN MINOR MODIFICATION.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED AMONGST THE BOARD MEMBERS? ALL RIGHT.

THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM MR. ANSBACHER.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SIDNEY AWBS BALKER HAWBS BOULEVARD HERE FOR THE APPLICANT STEVE SHERMAN.

I WILL SAY ORDER NAIRLD, BECAUSE MR. MILLER KNOWS, I TEND TO BE HYPER TECHNICAL AND I THINK OF HOA ISSUES AS SEPARATE FROM THE

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I WILL REPRESENT TO THIS BOARD, HOWEVER, THAT WE HAVE HOA APPROVAL SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THIS BOARD FOR THE SIZE OF POOL AND SCREEN THAT WE ARE SEEKING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY AT 304 SEA MONTHS SEA MOSS IA PRETTY TIGHT LOT.

IT'S ABOUT 100 FEET DEEP ON EACH SIDE, AND WHAT YOU HAVE BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION IS ESSENTIALLY A POCKET IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THAT IS MORE OR LESS 27 BY 25. YOU HAVE TO CONSTRUCT -- HERE'S WHERE I SHOW MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF THE STATE CODE -- MORE THAN 5 FEET OFF OF THE NEAREST STRUCTURE, INCLUDING ANGLE OF REPOSE, SO THAT YOU CAN AVOID ANY DAMAGE TO THE STRUCTURE, THE POOL. THAT IS THE EXTENT OF MY ENGINEERING KNOWLEDGE. AND WE ARE AT 5-FOOT 3 INCHES OFF OF THE COVERED WILL BE LANAI AND DECK THAT EXISTS ALREADY.

WILL 6-FOOT 7, THAT COMES OUT TO ROUGHLY 12 FEET, LEAVING SLIGHTLY OVER 12 FEET FOR THE POOL ITSELF.

WE HAVE COOPERATION FROM THE NEIGHBOR IN THAT CORNER WHO, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL, YOU CAN SEE ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE LOT ON THAT SIDE IS COVERED BY THE HOUSE, AND THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE VERY BACK CORNER, REGARDLESS.

THE NEIGHBORS TO THE OTHER SIDE, TO THE SOUTH WOULD HAVE TO STAND IN THEY NORTHEASTERN CORNER OF THEIR LOT AND PROBABLY GET A LADDER OVER THE PICKET FENCE THAT IS IN BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS. YOU HAVE BEHIND IT 4.2-ACRE RESTRICTED AREA THAT IS OWNED BY MARSH POINT CONDOMINIUM AND IS RESTRICTED ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE CONDOMINIUM ITSELF.

THE ONLY REQUEST THAT WE ARE ASKING IS SLIGHTLY OVER 3 FEET, AT 3.5 INCHES OFF OF WHAT WOULD ORDER NAWRL BE THE SETBACK -- ORDINARILY BE THE SETBACK TO A HOLE HEAP OF COASTAL HAMMOCK.

WE WOULD NOTE THAT TO THE BEST OF OUR KNOWLEDGE LAST WE HEARD THERE WAS NO COMMENT FROM ANY NEIGHBORS.

WE ALREADY HAVE GOTTEN HOA APPROVAL.

WE WOULD VOUCHSAFE THAT THIS IS A VERY TIGHT CONFIGURATION, AND WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING JUST BY WAY OF REFERENCE, 295 FEET VERSUS THE 420 FEET THAT YA'LL JUST APPROVED WHERE IT'S SLIGHTLY OVER 2/3, WE ARE AT A SIZE THAT IS PRETTY TIGHT POOL AND PRETTY CLOSE TO ABOUT ALL THAT WE CAN GET IN THERE.

OTHER THAN THAT I BELIEVE THAT IT DOES MEET THE SPIRIT OF THE CODE. SMALLISH POOLS ARE COMMON WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. AND I STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THERE'S QUESTIONS OF THE AGENCY MEMBERS? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE AND IT'S REALLY MORE FOR STAFF.

IT SHOWS THAT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE ZONING MAP BEHIND THE PROPERTY IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST.

IT SHOWS TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY THAT WHOLE WETLAND AREA WITH THE CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THERE SHOWS THAT IS ZONED ACTUALLY COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT REALLY THE PROPER ZONING

OF THAT WETLAND AREA? >> YES, SIR, THAT IS THE ZONING

OF THAT AREA. >> OKAY.

I HOPE IT CHANGES. >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, MAY I MAKE

A COMMENT? >> YES, YOU MAY.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE TO ADMIT, DOCTOR, I NOTED THAT AND I WAS THINKING, DO I EVEN RAISE THAT.

I THOUGHT, IT'S DEED RESTRICTED AND I ABSOLUTELY FELT THAT WAS BY FAR THE BETTER POSITION, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE WHATEVER THE ISSUES MIGHT BE WITH THE ZONING.

>> APPRECIATE THAT. I ALSO APPRECIATE I THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY REGIONAL REASONABLE REQUEST.

APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT?

SEEING NONE, ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

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>> NO SPEAKER CARDS. WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MR. ALAIMO.

>> THANK YOU, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIFICATION TBUNT-0 SHERMAN MODIFICATION REQUEST FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE PONTE VEDRA BY THE SEA PUD ON THE OTHER HAND 1994-6 TO ALLOW 4 A REAR YARD SETBACK OF 6 FEET 7 INCHES IN LIEU OF THE REQUIRED 10-FOOT SETBACK TO A CAM ACCOMMODATE PLACE AMOUNT SWIMMING BOPPING LOCATED A 3 RECORD IF THE SEA MOSS LANED ON SIX FIVE FIND NGTSZ OF PACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX

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CONDITIONS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. LAIP, SECOND BY THERE HILSENBECK.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. CONGRATULATIONS, MR. ANSBACHER.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 5, PURE POWERSPORTS.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DECLARED?

>> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH KAREN TAYLOR THE OTHER DAY WITH THE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT.

>> MS. TAYLOR, WELCOME BACK. WE HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN A WHILE.

GAS A STREET. THE OWNER OF PURE POWERSPORTS IS HERE WITH ME, MANNY AND BE MAYBE HE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANYTHING. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BUT WE HOPE YOU ARE AS WELL.

SO THIS IS 6.04 ACRES. THIS IS IN THE USINA INDUSTRIAL PARK WHICH EVERYBODY IS PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH AND YOU'VE SEEN ZONING APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH HERE BEFORE.

IT HAS ITS IMMEDIATE ACCESS FROM 208 DOWN AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE THROUGH COMMERCIAL DRIVE, AND THAT'S -- AND THEN IT ENDS IN A CUL-DE-SAC. AND BASICALLY IT HAS ACCESS TO THE WHOLE GENERAL AREA, AS YOU CAN SEE.

AND THAT CONTINUES ON, AG CENTER DRIVE CONTINUES ON FOR OTHER USES AS WELL. THIS IS THE SITE ITSELF.

IT IS BASICALLY CLEARED. IT DOES HAVE SOME TREES.

IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE RETENTON AREA.

IF YOU WENT OUT TO SEE THE SITE, IT DOESN'T INCLUDE THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S EARNTLE ADJACENT TO THE INTERSTATE.

BUT THERE ARE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST. THERE'S A BUILDINGS SUPPLY IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST. IT'S COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH, SO YOU'VE GOT TO LOG HOME SALES AS WELL AS CRACKER BARREL RESTAURANT AND SOME OF THAT, SO WHEN THIS INDUSTRIAL MARK WAS DONE, IT HAD DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF IT.

SO IT IS VACANT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS I-95 TO THE EAST, BUT AS YOU GO UP NORTH, AS YOU ARE AWARE, TOWARDS STATE ROAD 16, YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND CONVENIENCE STORES. IT IS -- THE FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S THAT CENTRAL LARGE INTERSTATE CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THERE ARE SOME PERIPHERAL RESIDENTIAL, AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE AG CENTER, THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT OFFICES. THE ZONING IS A LITTLE MORE COLORFUL, SHALL WE SAY, BUT THIS IS THE OR AND THE STRIPES -- I MEAN THE IW AND THE THE STRIPES REPRESENT THE CONDITIONAL ORDINANCE THAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT.

BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF AREAS CHANGED WITHIN IT THAT DO THE COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSING.

AND THAT I THINK WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT, IN THE STAFF REPORT, A LOT OF THE THINGS IN THAT ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THOSE WERE THINGS LIKE DIFFERENT SETBACKS AND PARTICIPATION IN THINGS, AND ONE WAS EVEN BRINGING THINGS TO YOU FOR A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO WE DON'T FEEL THAT REMOVING THOSE SHOULD BE ANY MAJOR ISSUE.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S BASICALLY CLEARED.

THE ACCESS IS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE OF THAT FRONTAGE.

THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE. THAT'S BASICALLY THE ONLY AREA THAT IT WOULD. IT DOES TAKE ADVANTAGE, MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT AS YOU'LL SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN, TAKES PART IN THIS PORTION, AND FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT VERSUS AN INDUSTRIAL IT DOES HAVE NICE FRONTAGE ON I-95, SO THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE DESIRABLE FOR COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS A GENERAL SKETCH SITE PLAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE THINKING OF. BASICALLY FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THIS ONE LARGE BUILDING, SOME WAREHOUSE

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THEY HAVE A TRAINING AND DISPLAY AREA OFF TO THE SIDE.

THEY DO PROVIDE THEIR OWN RETENTION.

THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE EASEMENTS THAT GO ACROSS AND THEY'RE UTILIZING THOSE AS WELL, SO THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE OTHER DRAINAGE POND THAT'S THERE.

AND THEN I'VE JUST INCLUDED SOME PICTURES JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GO OUT TO THE SITE, BUT THIS IS A SPHRIEW FROM THE NORTH LOOKING -- VIEW FROM THE NORTH LOOKING SOUTH.

THAT'S THE EXISTING RETENTION POND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SITE BUT THE SITE THAT'LL BE DEVELOPED IS BEHIND THAT.

THIS IS LOOKING EAST DOWN COMMERCIAL DRIVE TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ON OUR RIGHT.

THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS, WHICH IS THE LOG CABIN HOMES, AS WELL AS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE OTHER USES ACROSS I-95.

AND YOU CAN ALSO -- THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ACROSS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE LOG HOMES AS WELL AS THE CRACKER BARREL.

JUST A LITTLE FARTHER. THIS IS FROM THE SITE LOOKING TOWARDS AGRICULTURAL CENTER DRIVE.

SHOWS YOU SOME INDUSTRIAL AREA THERE.

THIS IS THE BUILDINGS SUPPLY THAT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT. AND THEN THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF AG CENTER DRIVE AND COMMERCIAL DRIVE, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A NICE CLEAR VIEW AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE.

BECAUSE THERE IS THE CONDITIONAL ORDINANCE, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN STAFF REPORT, I JUST KIND OF WENT THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICK.

THE ONES THAT RELATE HERE, THESE CONDITIONS, AGAIN, WERE DONE IN 1987 BEFORE EVERYTHING HAD STARTED, SO MOST OF THEM I MAY NOT, BUT THE PERMITTED USES WERE JUST ADDING THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS HYBRID TYPE ZONING.

YOU WOULD STILL HAVE USES BY EXCEPTION OR THAT TYPE OF THING EVEN UNDER THAT. BUILDING SETBACKS AND SITE COVERAGE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THE YARDS CHANGE FROM 20 TO 15. THE FLOOR AREA RATIO CHANGES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE COMP PLAN.

BUT BASICALLY IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER.

AND THESE HAVE REQUIRED A SITE PLAN REVIEW, WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THESE SITE PLANS COME THROUGH.

THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS, SO THOSE KIND OF HAVE TAKEN PRIORITY OVER THAT.

AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN POWER OTHER ZONING CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN AWAY THE IW WITH CONDITIONS. AND ONE WAS A CW WHICH WAS FOR A GYMNASTICS YOU PLACE. ONE WAS A CHT.

IT WENT TO PEST CONTROL. AND THERE'S -- THEN THERE'S TWO OTHER. SO JUST AS A SUMMARY, THIS IS THE HYBRID ZONING, AND I WON'T GO INTO WHAT I ALWAYS SAY, BUT IT IS A HYBRID BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW THE LIGHT INDUSTRIALS USES AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE USES, AND THAT GIVES NEM THE OPTION, ESPECIALLY FOR THE BUSINESS, THE POWER SPORTS BUSINESS, WHICH IS BASICALLY THINGS LIKE MOTORCYCLES AND SIDE-BY-SIDE AND IS OFF-ROAD VEHICLES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. IT KIND OF FITS IN.

IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY TOURIST AS WELL AND INTENSITY THERE. IT ALSO OFFERS THIS SITE THE FLEXIBILITY THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF SAY THIS BUSINESS GOES AWAY OR WHATEVER AND HE'S GOT 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE SPACE, THAT IT CAN GO BACK AND BE USED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, SO IT GIVES HIM THAT KIND OF OPTION AS WELL.

WITH THAT, WE FEEL LIKE IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA.

IT IS COMPATIBLE. AND WE WOULD REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? MS. TAYLOR.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> NUMBER ONE, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SITE FOR THIS. IT'S APPROPRIATE.

I CONGRATULATE YA'LL ON FINDING THE SITE, AND SINCE THE OWNER IS LEER, AND THIS MAY BE A LITTLE PREMATURE, I JUST WONDER, YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BUT WE MAY HAVE TO APPROVE THIS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT SORT OF SIGNAGE ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT FOR THE THIS PROPERTY DOWN THE ROAD? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

>> WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THE SIGNAGE.

I WAS ASSUMING THAT HE WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THAT WASN'T ADDRESS DOLLARS IN

THE ED IN THE ORDINANCE. >> I'M MANNY, PURE POWERSPORTS.

MANNY MAN -- 50 FINANCE FINANCE BIG OAK ROAD, SARATOGA, FLORIDA. AS FAR AS THE SIGNAGE I'M A U.S.

VETERAN. ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I WANTED

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WE PLAN ON PUTTING A PRETTY LARGE AMERICAN FLAG UP, AND THEN OUR SIGNAGE WOULD BE WHATEVER IT IS FOR CODE TO BE SOME KIND OF PINNACLE OUT TOWARDS THE ROAD AND MAKE IT HIGH ENOUGH KIND OF LIKE THE HARLEY-DAVIDSON SIGN IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT COMING DOWN

THE HIGHWAY. >> THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT FROM THE AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE ANY

SPEAKER CARDSSOME. >> NO SPEAKER GLARDZ BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION. MS. PERKINS.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING 20 THAN THE 21-10 PURE POWERSPORTS, A REQUEST FOR REZONE APPROXIMATELY 6.04 ACRES OF LAND FROM INDUSTRIAL, WAREHOUSING WITH CONDITIONS TO COMMERCIAL WHAIRS TO ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE POWER SPORTS BUSINESS, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 265 COMMERCIAL DRIVE, BASED UPON FOUR FINDING FACT AND PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

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>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION OF APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS, A SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT IS APPROVED.

CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY.

NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 6, AND A PRESENTATION BY MR. BAIRD, AND IS THERE -- OKAY.

THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE SO THERE IS NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE CONCERNED WITH.

COME ON UP, MR. BAIRD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. CARSON BURIED 136O.5 LA SIENNA CORD COURT. I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE ADDRESS AT 11280 US-HIGHWAY 1 NORTH.

WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM THE EXISTING RURAL/SILVICULTURE TO INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL IN ORDER TO MATCH THE EXISTING ZONING ON THE SITE.

OUR CURRENT INTENDED USE IS THE DEVELOPMENT HAVE DEVELOP THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR AN AUTOMOTIVE RAIMP AND COLLISION CENTER. WE'RE WITH A INTERNATIONAL AUTO BODY AND PAINT SHOP THAT IS HAS BEEN AROUND 100 YEARS AND LOCATED IN UNITED STATES AND WE CAN BRING 20 TO 30 JOBS INTO THE AREA. RIGHT NOW, OF COURSE, WITH THE RURAL/SILVICULTURE FUTURE LAND USE WE'RE UNABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WITH A SWITCH TO COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE TO ALIGN WITH THE ZONING, THAT WOULD ALLOW OUR INTENDED USE OF THE AUTO PAINT AND BODY SHOP. SO HERE'S AN OVERHEAD OF THE EXISTING SITE. THIS IS LOCATED ON US-1.

THE PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF THIS IN BETWEEN CROSS RIDGE DRIVE IS NOT INCLUDED IN SITE. CR210 IS A LITTLE BIT STHOWFTSDZ AND RACE TRACK ROAD IS A LITTLE BIT FORTH NORTH.

THE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS SHOWN HERE AND THE CHANGE WOULD SIMPLY BE TO ADJUSTS THIS TO COMMERCIAL IN ORDER TO MATCH HOW THE ZONING CURRENTLY REFLECTED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, AND OPEN TO MI QUESTIONS. THANK YOU GUYS.

>> ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AGENCY MEMBERS? SEEING NONE, ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> NO SPEAKER CARDS. >> NO SPEAKER CARDS.

THEN IT SEEMS LIKE I WENT TOO FAST.

WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, THEN, I GUESS.

MR. ALAIMO. >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN I'LL OFFER A MOGULS TO A PROPOSAL A RELIEVE OF CPA SS2021-05, 11280US 1 NORTH BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. ALAIMO, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

NIP DISCUSSION? >> NORMALLY I'M AGAINST CHANGING RURAL/SILVICULTURE ZONINGS TO MORE INTENSIVE TYPINGY ZONINGS, BUT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A VIABLE SILVICULTURAL SITE OUT

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THANKS. >> OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. BAIRD. >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

>> OKAY. MS. SMITH.

DO WE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO DECLARE ON ITEM NUMBER 7? NOT FOR COMP PLAN CHANGE.

THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. >> IT SAYS EX PARTE

COMMUNICATION AT THE TOP. >> IT'S A DRI.

EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> EVELYN EVELYN AND I ELLEN ELLEN AND I TRADED SELL THE PHONE CALLS BUT THE LAST TELEPHONE CALL I HAD WAS SEE YOU AT THE MEETING. WE NEVER SPOKE DIRECTLY.

>> ALL RIGHT. MS. PERKINS.

>> NONE. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION EARLIER

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>> ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION YESTERDAY WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH.

>> I HAD TWO CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. SMITH ABOUT THIS, SO YOU CAN

TAKE IT FROM HERE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WETSTONE PLACE, SARATOGA.

WITH ME TODAY FROM MANNA ME HOMES EXAMINES THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF THE RIVERTOWN COMMUNITY ARE JACOB O'KEITH AND B.J. SMITH AND THEN ALSO THE PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER RYAN STILWELL FROM PROSSER. SO IF WE NEED TO CALL UPON THOSE GENTLEMEN'S FOR EXPERTISE, THEN WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.

JUST BY WAY OF A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH RIVERTOWN, IT IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF S. JOHNS COUNTY SOUTH OF GREEN BREYER ROAD AND KIND OF SOUTH OR NORTHWEST OF COUNTY ROAD 210, AND LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY WAS ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTED BY THE PREDECESSOR FOR MANNA ME HOMES, PARTIALLY BY MATTA ME THROUGH THE SITE AND STATE ROAD 13 RUNS THROUGH THE PROJECT AS WELL.

JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, THE -- THIS DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS FIRST APPROVED IN 2004 AND IT INCLUDES ABOUT 5170 ACRES AND HAS BEEN MODIFIED A COUPLE OF TIMES THROUGH THE YEAR. THE I JUST OF IT IS IT INCLUDES ABOUT 4500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHICH INCLUDES 3700 SINGLE-FAMILY AND 8S HUNDRED MULTI-FAMILY.

THAT'S BEEN THE CASE SINCE THE BEGINNING.

ABOUT 500,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES, PLENTY OF OPEN IGS SPACE, PARKS. IN FACT, IF YOU GO OUT TO RIVERTOWN AND ALONG STATE ROAD 13 YOU'LL SEE THE BEAUTIFUL RIVERFRONT PARK THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND YOU ALSO SEE THE RIVERTOWN FIELDS WHICH ARE BEAUTIFUL BASEBALL AND MULTI-PURPOSE FIELDS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF RIVERTOWN AND ARE AGAIN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

SO A VERY NICE COMMUNITY. THEY'VE NOT ONE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DEDICATED WITH TWO MORE SCHOOL SITES TO GO IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT SINCE 2004, AND I'M SAYING THIS FOR ANYBODY WHO MAY BE IN THE AUDIENCE OR WATCHING, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST MONTH AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING -- WE'RE SEEKING CHANGES WOULD BE SO I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, THIS DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER HAS INCLUDED PROVISIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF VETERANS PARKWAY SINCE 2004. SO THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT CHANGING SWB , ESPECIALLY WITH RESPECT TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOME PEOPLE DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE AN ACT THERE WAS DHIEFNED HOUSING FROM THE PROJECT FROM DAY THE ONE, AND IT WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW BACK WHEN THERE WAS SUCH A THING AS A NEW DRI.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE CONTEXT FOR THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. HERE IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR RIVERTOWN. NOTHING ABOUT THIS PLAN IS CHANGING, BUT YOU CAN SEE AGAIN HERE'S THE RIVERFRONT PARK THAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER. YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY PARK UP IN THIS AREA. AND IF YOU'VE GONE THROUGH RIVERTOWN, YOU KNOW THAT LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY IS CONSTRUCTED ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED BASICALLY IN THIS CORE. YOU CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL RIVER HOUSE WHICH IS OFF AROUND IN THIS AREA.

AND THEN -- I'M SORRY. AROUND IN THIS AREA.

AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A RIVER CLUB, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL ALSO RIGHT ON THE RIVER FOR RESIDENTS OF RIVERTOWN.

SO GETTING TO THIS MODIFICATION, WE HOPE THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE RELATIVELY SIMPLE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. SO A YEAR AND A HALF AGO WE WERE -- WE ALL GOT NEWS ABOUT COVID, AND THE NATIONAL ECONOMY SHUT DOWN, AND SO NOBODY EXPECTED TO BE BUILDING HOMESY AT THE CLIP THAT WE'RE BUILDING HOMES AND SELLING HOMES HAT THIS PACE. SO FAST FORWARD NOW, A YEAR AND THREE MONTHS OR SO FROM THE COVID LOCKDOWN, HOUSES ARE FLYING OFF THE SHELF AND MATTAME IS SELLING LOTS OF HOUSES IN RIVERTOWN BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE. SO WITH THAT CONTEXT, WE REALIZED AS A TEAM THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN THRESHOLDS BASED ON PHASING OR NUMBER OF PLATTED LOTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT COULD NOT PHYSICALLY BE ACHIEVED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION PLANS, PLATS, ALL OF THE THINGS. SO THE FIRST THING WE'RE SEEKING TO DO IS REVISE THE DATES FOR THE PROVISION OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF WORKFORCE HOUSING WITHIN THE PROJECT.

SO AGAIN, I SAID EARLIER THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONDITION IS NOT CHANGING.

WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE DATE THAT IT HAS TO BE DELIVERED TO GIVE MATTAME TIME TO DO THE PLANNING, ENGINEERING, AND PLATTING FOR THOSE UNITS. SO THOSE FIRST UNITS WILL ARRIVE

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WE'RE ALSO REVISING FOR THE SAME PURPOSE VETERANS PARKWAY BETWEEN LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY AND COUNTY ROAD 220 EVER 10 WAS ALWAYS IN ITS DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS A FOUR-LANE SEGMENT. AND SO THAT CAP WAS AT 2392 UNITS. WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING THAT 23 NEWTOWN UNITS. THE ROADWAY DESIGN IS UNDERWAY.

ACTUALLY A PORTION OF THE TWO-LANE SECTION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. THE FOUR-LANE DESIGN IS UNDERWAY, AND I TALKED TO MATTHEW DESIGN WHICH IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE ROADWAY THE OTHER DAY, AND THEY WILL ANITA JULY 1ST DATE OF THIS YEAR TO SUBMIT CONSTRUCTION MAN'S FOR THE ULTIMATELY FOUR-LANE SECTION ALL THE WAY FROM 210 TO LONG LEAF PINE, SO WE'RE GOING TO MEET THAT DEADLINE THAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS REVISION TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, START CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN GET THOSE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THROUGH THE COUNTY STAFF FOR APPROVAL, AND THEN COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION IN 2023, AGAIN AS QUICKLY AS IT CAN PHYSICALLY BE DONE.

SO THAT'S THE SECOND PROPOSED CHANGE.

THE THIRD PROPOSED CHANGE IS SOME OF YOU MAY NO ABOUT DRIS AND THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE LAW OVER TIME.

THE LAW NO LONGER REQUIRES WHAT ARE CALLED BIISLAND MONITORING REPORTS EXCEPT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SKO WE HAVE PARED DOWN MONITORING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TEAM TO NOT HAVE TO GIVE COPIES OF WATERS MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITS AND SALES DATA AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IN THE REPORT, BUT STILL TO PROVIDE THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WHICH I THINK WAS THE CORE PURPOSE OF THE MONITORING REPORTS, TO ALLOW THE COUNTY, THE DOT AND OTHER AGENCIES TO KEEP UP WITH TRAFFIC ON THE ROADS AND TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THE NEED FOR SIGNALIZATION AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT, AWAY WE'RE LEAVING THE TRAFFIC MONITORING AND TAKING OUT SOME MORE OF THE I'LL CALL IT ALREADY PUBLICALLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION FROM THE MONITORING REPORT.

THEN FOURTH CHANGE, ALL OF YOU, FAMILIAR ON THIS BOARD ABOUT LEGISLATIVE EXTENSIONS FOR HURRICANES MATTHEW, IRMA, DORIAN AND NOW COVID. THOSE ARE BY CHAPTER 3, I'M SORRY 252.363 FLORIDA STA COMMUNITIES THEY'RE GIVEN BY OPERATION OF LAW. AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER IS BEING UPDATED TO INCLUDE THOSE DATES.

WE HAVE ALREADY FILED EXTENSION LETTERS FROM WITH THE CROWN O THOSE ARE ALL ONE RECORD EXCEPT FOR COVID-19 WHICH EXPIRES ON JUNE 26TH UNLESS THE GOVERNOR EXTENDS IT AGAIN, SO WE HAVE INCLUDED ALL OF THOSE DATE EXTENSIONS FOR PHASING, BUILD-OUT AND TERMINATION OF THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND THEN ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORLY HOUSING PAYMENT SCHEDULE, THAT WAS ALWAYS -- THOSE DATES WERE EXTENDED BY OPERATION OF LAW ALONG THE WAY AS WELL, SO THE DATE AND THAT NEIGHBORLY HOUSING SECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER HAS ALSO BEEN EXTENDED BY OPERATION OF LAW.

SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR CHANGES. IN A NUT SMIEM GOING TO SHOW YOU THIS MATCH VETERANS PARKWAY SEGMENT THAT AGAIN SUNDAY STUDENT NOW ALL THE WAY FROM 210 TO LONGLEAF PINE.

THAT'S A MUCH-NEEDED FOUR-LANE ROAD.

THE NORTHERN PORTION OF IT UP HERE, THAT IS THE ICI MIDDLE BORN PROPERTY. THIS IS LENNAR'SEN, GREENBRIER DPOWNS I THINK IT HAS A DIFFERENT MARKETING NAME NOW.

BUT THE TWO-LANE CONSTRUCTION SUNDAY ANOW AND SO THE LANCE PLANS FOR THE FOUR-WAY CONSTRUCTION ALL WITH A DOWN TO CROWN ROAD 210 AND GREENBRIER RIGHT HERE ARE WHAT ARE IN THE WORKS BY MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP AND PROPOSE TO BE OR ACTUALLY WILL BE SUBMITTED BY JULY 1ST.

SO AGAIN, YOU'VE SEEN THE STAFF REPORT.

STAFF DOES NOT -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY OUTSTANDING CORNTION COMMENTS. STAFF DOES NOT OBJECT TO THE CHANGES. WE'VE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. IF BELIEVE STAFF IS HAPPY WITH THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS MODIFICATION. SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> YEAH, MY FIRST QUESTION IS YOU STATE THAT MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP WILL BE SUBMITTING ALL OF THE MATERIALS FOR APPROVAL OF THE FOUR LANE ROAD BY JULY 1ST. WHY DON'T YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL THAT'S SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BRINGING THIS ITEM BEFORE US? DO YOU THINK THIS IS PREMATURE FOR TO US HEAR THIS AT THIS TIME

WHEN WE COULD WAIT TWO WEEKS? >> WELL, IF YOU LOOK -- I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

>> I READ THEM. >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THEM.

>> I READ THEM, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHOW ME.

>> WELL, SO AGAIN I MENTIONED TO YOU EARLIER THAT WHEN WE HAD NEGOTIATED SOME OF THE TIMING WITH STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE TO -- WE TOOK THE LANGUAGE FROM SAYING WE HAD TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION

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WE NEED THE ASSURANCE FROM THIS BOARD THAT WE NEED TO MEET THAT DATE, THAT YOU WILL APPROVE THAT THAT IS A LEGITIMATE DATE, WE'RE MOD FIETION THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

THAT'S THE DEADLINE. >> OKAY.

THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU DIDN'T MENTION, AS FAR AS I RECALL 1 THE $75,000 PAYMENT TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOINGS AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR DIVISION.

YOU ALL WANTED TO DELAY THAT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE MAKE DOWN PAYMENTS ON HOMES OR WHATEVER THE PURPOSE OF THATS, SO YOU WANT TO DELAY THAT I COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT $75,000 PAYMENT.

IS THAT FRU? >> THAT IS AN ITEM, AGAIN WE TALKED ABOUT THE GUBERNATORIAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION.

THAT IS AN ITEM, ALONG WITH THE PHASING, BUILD-OUT AND TERMINATION CASES OF THE DRI, THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR ALONG THE WAY, SO THAT DATE IS SUSPENDED UNDER ORIGINALS OF LAW UNDER SECTION 252.364 FLORIDA STATUTES.

THIS CHANGE AND THAT DEVELOPMENT ORDER CHANGE TO THAT DATE IN MARCH 2023 SIMPLY TRACK TS DATE.

WE HAVE ALSO MADE OTHER REVISIONS IN THE SEDATES IN THE EXHIBIT, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT EXPUBT ANY MAINTAIN MINUTE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO EXTEND THE FADING AND BUILD-OUT DPIERTS SAME PURPOSE, SO THAT IS AN ORIGINALS OF LAW CHANGE.

>> IT WAS STATED IN THE POLITICAL THAT YA'LL -- THAT SALES ARE JUST UNEXPECTEDLY ACCELERATING AND THEY'RE JUST GOING GREAT GUNS AND THINGS ARE JUST MOVING SO FAST, BUILDING SO MANY HOUSES, SELLING THEM, GREAT PROGRESS OUT THERE, AND THAT'S OFERL WONDERFUL FOR YA'LL. IT JUST SEEMS BACKWARDS TO ME THAT THINGS ARE GOING SO WELL WITH THE HOUSING SALES, BUT, NUMBER ONE, YOU WANT TO DELAY BY THREE YEARS BUILDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, JUST 75 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, YOU DO NOT WANT TO PAY THE $75,000 UP FRONT TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPMENT DIVISION, AND DELAY A ROAD BUILDING OUT THERE WHERE MORE GROWTH IS GOING TO CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC. THAT AREA IS ALREADY, AS WE HEARD LAST -- TWO WEEKS AGO, AN ITEM YOU PRESENTED, PEOPLE ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING ABOUT TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION OUT THERE AND ROAD SEGMENTS BEING OVER CAPACITY.

SO IF SALES WERE SLUGGISH, THEY WEREN'T GOING WELL, SALES WERE JUST POOR, NOTHING WAS HAPPENING OUT THERE, I COULD SEE WANTING TO DELAY ALL THIS, BUT WITH SALES SKYROCKETING, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE. SEEMS BACKWARDS TO ME.

>> WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT DELAYING. WE ARE MOVING UP.

WE ARE GOING AS FAST -- THIS TEAM IS GOING AS FAST AS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE TO DESIGN, PERMIT AND CONSTRUCT THAT FOUR-LANE SEGMENT OF VETERANS VETERANS PARKWAY.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING THOSE DATES, THOSE BENCHMARKS IN DEVELOPMENT ORDER, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO FILE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AS QUICKLY AS COUNTY STAFF CAN REVIEW, AND THE ENGINEERS CAN REVISE THE PLANS AND GET THOSE APPROVED.

G.J. AND HIS GROUP ARE GOING TO -- D.J., THEY'RE ALREADY BUILDING THE ROAD OUT THERE. IF YOU GO OUT AND LOOK A VETERANS PARKWAY OFF LONGLEAF PINE, THEY'RE BUILDING A ROAD OUT THERE NOW ON TWO LANES. WE'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO FOLLOW RIGHT UP BEHIND THAT WITH THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE ULTIMATE FOUR-LANE SECTION. THERE IS NO DELAY.

WE ARE SIMPLY PROVIDING DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT ROAD TO GUARANTEE THE COUNTY WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE FOR THE -- I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION.

>> OKAY. >> SO FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AGAIN, THESE CONDITIONS ARE THE SAME AS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN. IT HAD A DIFFERENT BENCHMARK AT THE END OF PHASE 1. WE ARE SIMPLY, MATTAME IS NEEDING THE TIME TO DESIGN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE IT'S COME ON FASTER BECAUSE THEY'VE CLIPPED THROUGH LOTS FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED.

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LET ME KNOW. >> WELL, YOU'VE ANSWERED IT BUT YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE LED SEPP LYNN SONG "DAZED AND CONFUSED." IT STILL SEEMS BACKWARDS TO ME THAT SALES ARE GOING SO GREAT BUT AFFORDING HOUSING CAN'T BE BUILT, PAYMENT CAN'T BE MADE, ALL OF THAT.

IT JUST SEEMS BACKWARDS. >> WELL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE BUILT. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THE OBLIGATIONS FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS OR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ORDER. AGAIN, NOBODY ANTICIPATED A YEAR AGO THAT THIS MARKET WOULD HAVE ACCELERATED THE WAY IT HAS, AND WE ARE DOING OUR UTMOST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CATCH UP WITH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, AND THIS DOCUMENT ACTUALLY PUTS GUARANTEES TO THE COUNTY THAT THOSE THINGS WILL HAPPEN ON AN EXPEDITED BASIS, AS QUICKLY AS THE SYSTEM, THE GOVERNMENT WORKS IN REVIEWING PLANS, PERMITS, EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET HOMES BUILT AND ROADS BUILT. IT'S NOT A FAST SYSTEM.

I WILL GIVE YOU THAT. BUT IT HAS CHEKSD AND BALANCES FOR SAFETY AND OTHER REASONS, AND SO WE JUST HAVE TO PLAY

WITHIN THE RULES, RIGHT? >> YEP.

I HAD SOME OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I'M JUST GOING TO DEFER THOSE.

I'M NOT GOING TO ASK THEM. IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

THANK YOU. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> ELLEN, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT DR. HILSENBECK WAS ASKING. LET'S SAY THAT THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSES THAT YOU HAVE PROMISED TO MAKE WITH AN EXTENDED DATE NOW, LET'S SAY THAT YOU DON'T MAKE THEM.

LET'S SAY YOU ONLY HAVE 50 PERFECTS OF 50% OF THEM.

IS THERE A PENALTY THAT THE DEVELOPER PAYS TO THE COUNTY TO MAKE THAT UP? WHAT SORT OF PENALTIES COME INTO PLAY IF THE OWNER DOESN'T -- IF THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T ED MEET HIS DATELINES? IS THAT SIMPLE ENOUGH?

>> THANK YOU FOR TURNING IT ON. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME LANGUAGE IN JUST A MINUTE BECAUSE I WANT TO SHOAH A RED LINE OF WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CHANGING IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER SO, DR. MCCORMICK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THEY DO NOT MEET THE DATE THAT I'M GOING TO PUT UP ON THIS BOARD FORE YOU IN JUST A MINUTE, THE COUNTY STOPS ISSUING BUILDINGS PERMITS AND DEVELOPMENT PERMITS FOR MATTAME AND RIVERTOWN. THAT'S THE PENALTY.

THESE RED LINE CHANGES SHOW YOU THE REVISIONS WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING TO THE APPROVED 2014 DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT BEEN WE'RE CHANGING THE COMMENCEMENT FROM THIS FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT TO A DATE CERTAIN, AND WE'VE BUT PUT IN THESE CONDITIONS THAT THESE DATES ARE NOT EXTENDED BY OPERATION OF LAW ANYMORE. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE AFFORDABLABILITY CRITERIA WHICH IN THIS MARKET IS A BIG DEAL BECAUSE THE FOORKT TODAY IS $260,000 MAXIMUM, AND WE ALL KNOW IN THIS COUNTY HOMES ARE SELLING FOR TWICE THAT MUCH JUST ABOUT, SO THESE WILL BE TRUE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS UNDER THE SAME SCENARIO, THE SAME RULES AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT BECAUSE THEY WILL -- IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY ACTUALLY NEEDS RIGHT NOW.

THEN FOR THE PAYMENT -- SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE GETTING MY PAGES SEPARATED -- AGAIN, THE DATE CHANGED.

THE MONEY IS STILL THE SAME. THE DATE CHANGE IS SIMPLY, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TWO YEARS AFTER THE FIRST CO.

THEN THAT DATE WAS EXTENDED BY OPERATION OF LAW.

THAT'S WHY THIS DATE IS NOW MARCH 12, 2023.

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>> MS. SMITH, WE CAN'T SEE THE TOP OF THE PAGE.

CAN YOU PULL IT DOWN. >> I'M SORRY.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND THIS IS THE RED LINE AGAINST THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

SO MATTAME IS NOT SHIRKING ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESPONSIBILITIES. THEY'RE SIMPLY JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH THE MARKET. AND WE'LL PAY SCHOOL CONCURRENCY

FOR ALL OF IT. >> WELL, THAT'S GOOD.

>> AND THEY DO HAVE -- >> WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T CATCH UP WITH ME.

I'M ON THE MOVE ALL THE TIME. >> I KNOW IT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBERS OF QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER

CARDS? >> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS.

RON TOBIN. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> RON TOBIN 272 BROWN BEAR RUN. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS GOT A NOTICE ABOUT.

WE DIDN'T GET ONE. BUT I SAID I WOULD COME HERE JUST TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.

WHEN THEY SHOWED THE MAP WANT IT WAS CONFUSING.

I'M NEW TO THIS AREA. THERE WAS GREENBRIER WAS RUNNING THIS WAY INSTEAD OF LIKE EAST TO WEST.

I JUST WAS WONDERING WHERE THAT NEW ROAD WAS GOING TO BE GOING IN. IT SAYS OFF THE 210 NEAR GREENBRIER TO LONGLEAF. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO PUT

THAT MAP BACK UP? >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND AND I'LL PULL THE MAP UP ON THE SCREEN FOR US.

>> THANKS. AND BACK THERE THE CURSOR WASN'T WORKING, SO WHEN SHE WAS INDIGENOUS TRIBES EVER POINTING, I WAS TRYING TO GET ORIENTED BUT THERE'S NO CURSOR ON THE MAP BACK THERE ON THE SCREEN, AND I LOOKED UP HERE AND I SAW IT.

IT WAS TOO LATE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION IT WAS.

>> THERE SHOULD BE A MAP WITH SOME BLUE DOTS THAT SHOWS THE

VETERANS PARKWAY ON AN AERIAL. >> THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT, BUT WHEN THEY HAD THE ONE WITH VETERANS HIGHWAY --

>> THAT'S FROM THE INTERNAL SIDE OF THINGS.

THIS ISN'T YOUR PRESENTATION. >> OH, SORRY.

>> ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

IF YOU SEE THIS RIGHT HERE? >> YES.

>> SEE THAT KIND OF WHITE AREA? >> YES.

>> THAT'S THE ALIGNMENT OF VETERANS PARKWAY.

SO IT WILL GO FROM COUNTY ROAD 2101 GREENBRIER ALL THE WAY UP

TO LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY. >> LONGLEAF IS PRIOR.

>> NO, IT LOOPS AROUND. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO MY PRESENTATION, WITH THE MAP THAT SHOWS IT HAS BLUE DOTS ON THE

ALIGNMENT -- >> I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT THIS FOR A SECOND. SIR, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS, CAN YOU GET, MAWB GET WITH ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS AND THEY CAN SHOW YOU THAT ALIGNMENT.

IS THAT OKAY? >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU. >> NO PROBLEM.

>> EDWARD HETSEL. >> MR. HETSEL.

ELLEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS POINT?

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THAT LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY DOES LOOP UP AROUND, SO THE CONNECTION IS ACTUALLY UP HERE WHERE LONGLEAF AND VETERAN -- THIS EXISTING VETZ RARN CONNECTS FROM LONGLEAF UP TO RACE TRACK ROAD. THIS IS THE MISSING LINK OF VETERANS PARKWAY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, NORTH OF 210.

IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE RIVERTOWN BOUNDARIES BUT THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY WANTED IN 2004 FOR THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK, AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S STILL VERY MUCH NEEDED TO GET PEOPLE TO

COUNTY ROAD 202009 AND 90. >> ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> NO, BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP AND ATTENTION.

>> SO AT THIS POINT WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

MS. PERKINS. >> EROSION MOTION TO RECOMMEND A DROOFL OF DPRI MODIFICATION 2021-01 RIVERTOWN DRIR BASED

[8. COMPAMD 2020-09 Indian Branch Farms.]

>> GOT A MOTION FROM MS. PERKINS FOR APPROVAL AND A SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO. CENTER I STL ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE.

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MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 8 ON THE AGENDA, AND THIS IS A ADOPTION HEARING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SO WE DO NOT HAVE TO DECLARE EX PARTE HERE, I DON'T BELIEVE.

MS. ACEVEDO. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. SHANNON ACEVEDO FOR THE RECORD WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP, SOUTHERN WALDO STREET.

THIS IS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR INDIAN BRANCH FARMS. THIS SHOWS KIND OF ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY. I'M REPRESENTING MY CLIENTS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS, CHUCK KOLB AND PEGGY FULLER KOLB AND THEY ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS A SITE KIND OF TUCKED BEHIND, HAS LEGAL ACCESS TO INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AS YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT WEST OF CHURCH ROAD. AND ZOOMING IN HERE A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF THE LAY OF THE LAND, CURRENTLY VACANT, ABOUT 33.35 ACRES.

IT IS TWO EXISTING PARCELS AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE BY THE BOUNDARIES THERE, AND IT'S LOCATED ABOUT 750 FEET WEST OF THE INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AND CHURCH ROAD INTERSECTION CHUCKS SEE PRETTY CLEAR ON THE MAP HERE.

AND THIS IS A PAVED FACILITY HERE THAT COMES UP TO THAT INTERSECTION. INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD ITSELF IS NOT PAVED. SO LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, THIS IS NEXT TO THE ST. JOHNS DRI, AND I THINK YOU PROBABLY SAW AN APPLICATION RECENTLY FOR AMENDING ANOTHER PORTION THAT IS ALSO PART OF THIS MASTER DEVELOPMENT BUT IS NOW RES-C. OTHER SURROUNDING AREA IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL MAP, DEVELOPED WITH KIND OF LARGE ESTATE LOTS, MIXTURE OF HOMES AND AGRICULTURAL USES. AS YOU GET FURTHER IN, YOU HAVE SOME OTHER RESIDENTIAL B AND REZ A AREAS AS WELL.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ANDAO TO RESIDENTIAL-A, BUT LOOKING ALONG WITH THAT A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT THIS PROPERTY TO SIX DWELLING UNITS. AND FOR CONCEPTUAL PURPOSES, WE HAVE PROVIDED A GENERAL PIEDZ SITE PLAN JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE.

THE SIX LOTS WHO ALL HAVE LEGAL ACCESS FROM INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD, AND THAT ROADWAY IS AN EXISTING LEGAL RIGHT-OF-WAY OF 60-FOOT WIDE, AND WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT HERE IS UTILIZING THAT PUMPKINS RIGHT-OF-WAY, IMPROOFLG HAVE PROVING IT TO THE THE STANDARD THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY FOR 20-FOOT STABILIZED SURFACE, AND THEN EACH OF THE LOTS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WITH DRIVEWAYS COMING IN.

THED WHY BEHIND THE IDEAD THIS APPLICATION IS THERE IS A NICHE MARKET FOR RESIDENTS WHO WISH TO HAVE HORSES WHERE THEY LIVE THAT GENERALLY CREATES A NEED FOR A LOT THAT'S ABOUT 2 TO 3 ACRES, . IN THIS CASE YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME WETLAND THAT WE HAVE ALREADY HAD SURVEYED TO THE% SITE, AND HA WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS MISTAKE MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH UPLANDS TO NOT HAVE TO IMPACT AREAS UNDULY, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A GROSS DENSITY OF ONE UNIT PER 5.58 ACRES, SO A LITTLE OVER 5 ACRES, AND THE IDEA ALSO IS TO MAINTAIN THAT RURAL AREA BY COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT'S MORE RURAL IN NATURE, IS GOING TO HAVE MINIMAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ADDED. SEE IN TERMS OF JUSTIFICATION, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE LOTS WITHIN THE 3 TO 5-ACRE RANGE. THIS WOULD BE PERFECT FOR SOMEONE WHO OWNS ONE TO TWO HORSES, WANTS A SMALL SCALE ESTATE TYPE LOT. BECAUSE OF THE LAND AREA OF THIS, OF THE 33.5 ACRES, IT'S A LITTLE TOO LARGE TO WARRANT ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME BUT IT'S TOO SMALL TO DO YOUR TRADITIONAL PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS AN OPTION IN RURAL/SILVICULTURE. IN THIS CASE YOU WOULD NEED MORE LAND AREA IN ORDER FOR THAT TO BE AN OPTION, SO THIS PLAN KIND OF TAKES A SIMILAR INTENSITY AS WHAT THE PRD OPTION WOULD ALLOW FOR A SMALLER LAN AREA. THE NET DENSITY AFTER TRACK OUT THE WETLANDS WILL BE 3.92 ACRES PER LOT, AND AS I MENTIONED THE

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I LOOKED AT THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG THAT STRETCH, AND THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 4.36 ACRES PER LOT, SO THESE WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THAT OF COURSE IN TERMS OF JUSTIFICATION THIS IS IMMEDIATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF THE TRAILMARK PROPERTY. SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND FOR OUR MARKET ANALYSIS THAT'S ASKED FOR WITH THE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUEST, WE LOOKED AT 332 PROPERTIES COUNTYWIDE. THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE THAT FIT THAT 3 TO 5-ACRE LOT SIZE, SO NOT A WHOLE LOT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT COUNTYWIDE.

AND THEN ON REALTOR.COM AND ZILLO.COM I ACTUALLY UPDATED THIS FROM THE PAPER THAT YOU HAVE FOR ORIGINAL JUSTIFICATION, ACTUALLY EVEN WENT DOWN SLIGHTLY, BUT IN TERMS OF UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY FOR SALE IN THAT RANGE, 25 TO 29 LISTINGS DEPENDING ON WHAT SOURCE YOU USE.

HOWEVER, 65 LOTS WERE SOLD MEETING THAT CRITERIA, MOSTLY WITHIN THAT 2818 TO 2020 RANGE, SO THAT DEFINITELY DEMONSTRATES THAT THERE IS A PURPOSE OR DEMAND FOR SUCH A LOT.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE UPDATED IN JUNE, THERE WERE 19 MEETING THAT SAME CRITERIA, SO IT HAS BEEN REDUCED EVEN SINCE WRITING THAT REPORT. SO LOOKING AT COMPATIBILITY ANALYSIS AND CONSISTENCY WITH COMP PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT BOUND RIGHT TO THE NORTH AND WEST.

THIS COMING IN WITH REZ A WOULD BE QUITE A STEP DOWN FROM THE REST C TO THE NORTH. WE ARE LOOKING AT MAINTAINING THE OPEN RURAL ZONING DISTRICT SO WEAR TWEER NOT LOOKING FOR A REZONING. WE ARE LOOKING TO KEEP THOSE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS, AND BECAUSE THIS IS WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, THERE ARE ALSO 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT EDGES THAT ARE REQUIRED AROUND THE PROPERTY.

THERE WAS ABOUT BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR ACRES OF SERIC OAK HABITAT THAT WAS FOUND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR LAND USE ANALYSIS, AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT ALSO THE CODE WOULD BE ADHERED TO. THERE'S A MINIMUM OF 10% REQUIRED SIGNIFICANT HABITAT TO BE PROTECTED FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT. AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE WITH THE 5.59. HERE'S THE AREA I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER WEEK LOOKED AT THE ANALYSIS OF HOW LARGE ALONG CHURCH ROAD THOSE LOTS ARE, SO IT WOULD BE VERY COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S EXISTING THERE. AND THE ST. JOHNS DRI TO TRAILMARK AREA IS ANYWHERE FROM 3.2 TO 8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. JUTS FOR THE SAKE OF LOOKING AT SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER, WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS SEPARATE AND A RURAL AREA AND SO WE WOULD NOT LOOK TO TRY TO MATCH A DENSITY SUCH AS THAT.

SO IN TERMS OF IMPACTS, TRAFFIC WOULD BE SERVED BY INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD WHICH CONNECTS TO COUNTY ROAD 13A, SO WE LOOKED AT THE CLOSEST SEGMENT OF THAT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING AT 48.4% WITH ON SIX HOMES. THIS IS NOT GOING TO PUT A STRAIN ON SERVICE CAPACITY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT SIX ADDITIONAL P.M. PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR PRIVATE UTILITIES, AND THE ATTENTION AGAIN IS TO USE AN EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT'S IN PLACE FOR PRIMARY ACCESS. SO WITH THAT, WE REQUEST APPROVAL OF THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT TO RESIDENTIAL-A, AGAIN LIMITING TO SIX DWELLING UNITS.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

IT WOULD CONFORM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO DO A REZONING, AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER. AND WITH THAT I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AGENCY.

THANK YOU. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> THIS LOOKS LIKE REALLY BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY, AND I WOULDN'T MIND LIVING OUT THERE ON 5 ACRES OR MORE, AND I WAS ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS. I THOUGHT THIS ISN'T REALLY SILVICULTURAL PROPERTY. THERE'S NO AG.

MAYBE THERE WAS SOME GRAZING OUT THERE.

I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S NOT SILVICULTURAL LAND, ACCORDING TO THE AERIAL PHOTO. BUT I WAS FINE WITH THE WHOLE THING UNTIL I GOT DOWN TO PAGE 11, AND MAYBE YOU KNOW WHEN I'M GOING TO SAY THERE, UNDER WATER AND SEWER IT SAYS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT ISSUED A LETTER BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF

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I JUST AM WONDERING WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO PUT SEPTIC TANKS AND PRIVATE WELLS IN THERE WHEN YOU COULD HOOK UP TO AVAILABLE WATER AND SEWER, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.

>> YES. SO PART OF THE DUE DILIGENCE IS TO ALWAYS ASK FOR A LETTER OF AVAILABILITY TO SEE WHERE THOSE POINTS OF CONNECTIONS ARE AND WHAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE.

IN THIS CASE IT WAS -- I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FORM EXACTLY, BUT I THINK IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OVER 4,000 FEET AWAY, SO ALMOST A MILE. TYPICALLY IN THE COUNTY YOU WOULD CONNECT TO CENTRAL UTILITIES IF IT'S A HALF MILE OR LESS. IN THIS CASE IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE TO PRODUCE THAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE TO TIE IN.

SO THAT WAS THE RATIONALE BEHIND DOING THE PRIVATE UTILITIES.

THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT DOESN'T DICTATE WHETHER PRIVATE OR CENTRAL UTILITY CONNECTION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE.

IT WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT WHETHER OR NOT SIX LOTS VERSUS THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE COULD BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE IDEA BEHIND PARING IT DOWN TO SIX LOTS VERSUS SOMETHING MORE DENSE WAS WE WANTED TO KEEP THIS A RURAL AREA. CERTAINLY ONCE YOU START LOOKING AT LINE EXTENSIONS, IT BECOMES VERY EXPENSIVE AND YOU HAVE TO OFFSET THAT WITH HAVING A HIGHER DENSITY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD WANT AND WHAT WOULD BODE WELL FOR THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ADJACENT TO A DEVELOPMENT AREA, IT'S STILL QUITE RURAL AND AESTHETIC.

SO OUR GOAL WAS -- I SHOULD MENTION THE SITE PLAN IS JUST FOR REFERENCE SO THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO MODIFY THAT, BUT THE IDEA WAS WE WANTED TO BE SOMEWHAT EQUITABLE ON HOW WE LAID THAT OUT SO THAT EACH LOT WOULD HAVE THE PROPER AMOUNT OF UPLANDS A GOOD DISTANCE AWAY FROM WETLAND AREAS IN ORDER TO BE SOMEWHAT SCOIFTD HAVE SCIOTO ON THAT FRONT.

>> I THOUGHT YOUR SITE PLAN WAS GOOD.

I'M NOT QUIBBLING WITH THAT. IT'S JUST THE OPTING FOR SEPTIC AND WELL OUT THERE WHEN WE JUST APPROVED -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE COUNTY ISSUED THAT LETTER SEPTEMBER OF 2020, AND WE JUST HAD TWO WEEKS AGO IN HERE THE SECOND READING OR THE SECOND APPROVAL FOR THAT COMP PLAN AMENDMENT FOR TRAILMARK, WHICH IS FOR THAT 71 ACRES OF LAND THAT SHOWED ON ONE OF YOUR MAPS THAT IS NOW CONTIGUOUS WITH, IS ON THE NORTH, JUST TO THE NORTH OF YA'LL'S PROPERTY. THAT'S NOW APPROVED FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND I ASSUME HOMES ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE COME TO US FOR THAT. SO I THINK YOUR 4,000-FOOT CALCULATION, GIVEN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE WATER AND SEWER RIGHT THERE ON A CONTIGUOUS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, IS NO LONGER VALID OF 4,000 FEET. SO THAT'S THE REASON, BEING RIGHT ON THE FLOODPLAIN OF SIX FILE CREEK AND ALL THAT, I JUST CAN'T VOTE FOR IT GIVEN SEPTIC AND WELLS ON THIS PROPERTY.

I THINK THE PLAN'S NICE. THAT SAID, I WOULDN'T MIND LIVING THERE MYSELF. LIKE RURAL LIVING.

IT LOOKS LIKE A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF LAND.

>> THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN TAKES A LOOK AT, AND PERHAPS WE SEND IN FOR A NEW LETTER OF REQUEST AND SEE IF THOSE POINTS OF CONNECTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US HAVE CHANGED.

>> I ASSUME THEY WOULD. OKAY.

THANKS. APPRECIATE IT.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WITH QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

>> SURE. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ACCESS UNDER OR. DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE -- TO THE STAFF. DON'T WE HAVE TO HAVE 100 FEET

OF FRONTAGE? >> YES, SIR.

O R REQUIRES 100 FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND AT LEAST 1 ACRE IN

SIZE. >> AND BE THEN THE ROAD RUNNING DOWN THERE, IS IT THE 20-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY? IS THAT ADEQUATE OR WHAT'S THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON INDIAN BRANCH ROAD RUNNING DOWN TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC?

>> YES. SO THE LEGAL WIDTH OF IT IS

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AND THEN FOR THE OPEN RURAL DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, IT IS 100-FOOT WIDTH REQUIREMENT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE ON A CUL-DE-SAC, YOU CAN HAVE 25-FOOT OF STREET FRONTAGE ALONG THAT CURVE WITH THE IDEA THAT THE LOT IS GOING TO GET BIGGER AS YOU GET OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT IN THIS CASE, FLINS, WITH FOR INSTANCE, WITH THIS PLAN, EACH HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO BE POSITIONED WHERE THEY WOULD MEET THAT 100-FOOT RULE.

>> SO HOW DOES LOTT 6 MEET IT? >> LOT 6 IS GOING TO HAVE -- BECAUSE EACH OF THESE LOTS HAVE 25 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE ON THE

CUL-DE-SAC. >> SO LOT 6 REALLY HAS A 25-FOOT STRIP ACROSS THE FRONT OF LOT 5.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> YEAH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE AT THIS SCALE BUT, YES, THAT'S THE IDEA.

>> SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT IS THAT GRAY AREA ON LOTS 5 AND 6. I ASSUME THAT'S IN THE UPLANDS

THERE. >> YES, IT'S UPLANDS.

THIS IS THAT SEVERIC OAK SIGNIFICANT HABITAT I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, SO 10% MINIMUM WOULD NEED TO BE

PRESERVED ON THOSE LOTS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DO WE HAVE IN YOU PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS.

>> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER CARD, DAVID COURTNEY.

>> DAVID COWART YE 5395 CHURCH ROAD, LOT EXRVMENT.

I JUST HAVE SOME DID -- LOT C. I HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS WITH THIS. FIRST OF ALL RIGHT NOW IN OUR WILDFIRE IN THAT AREA WHERE THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS, WE HAVE BALD EAGLE NESTS, WE'VE GOT HOGS, VARIETY OF BIRDS, RACCOONS, POSSUMS, SNAKES, HAWKS, PROTECTED TYPE -- OWLS.

THEY'RE ALL IN THAT WHOLE AREA. IF YOU LOOK ON THAT MAP AND SO FORTH WHEN THEY SAID THERE WAS 3.9 PER ACRE, NO, ONE AND 2 HAS THE MOST ACREAGE BUT 5 AND 6 WHICH IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF ME, THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM TO BUILD, ESPECIALLY TRYING TO PUT HORSES ON.

I WANT TO KNOW ARE THE WETLANDS GOING TO BE PROTECTED? BECAUSE IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVE GONE IN, THEY'VE FILLED IN THE WET NDLE WITH DIRT, AND ALL THAT DOES IS PUSH THE WATER THE ONTO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE FINE AND MINE AND JENNIFER'S. AND IF YOU CHANGE THE LAND FROM RS TO RESIDENTIAL, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT ALL ON CROICH CHURCH ROAD, WE BOUGHT WITH THE RESTRICTION YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE HOUSE AND NOW YOU'RE SWITCHING IT.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVERYBODY ON CHURCH ROAD CAN JUST SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL AND YOU CAN BUILD THREE AND FOUR HOUSES ON MY 4 AND 5 ACRES THAT I HAVE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF -- AND WHO IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD THAT INDIAN BRANCH FARM ROAD? IS IT GOING TO BE THEM? IS IT GOING TO BE THE CITY? IF THE CITY DOES IT, MAYBE THEY CAN DO MY ROAD. AND IS THE HOUSES GOING TO NEED SPRINKLER SYSTEMS? BECAUSE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE HYDRANTS ANYWHERE CLOSE THERE.

EVERYBODY IS ON POND WATER OR WHATEVER, SO THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN CONTACTED, BUT THERE WAS A WHOLE BIG WAREHOUSE THAT GOT BURNED DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TABULATE HALF A MILE ON HYDRANTS, AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO HAVE SPRINGERRER SYSTEMS SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN THEM OR NOT.

AND I WANT TO KNOW IF THOSE WETLANDS ARE GOING TO BE SURVEYED SO WE KNOW HOW FAR IT GOES SO THEY CAN'T BE FILLING IN DIRT AND SHRINKING THE SIZE OF THE WETLANDS.

ALL OF THESE HOUSES BEING BUILT ARE JUST SHRINKING THE WHOLE WILDLIFE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW.

EVERYBODY BOUGHT WITH THE -- AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE LOCATED. MAIN, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN LITTLE SPOTS THEY CAN BE LOCATED WITH THEIR HORSES.

AND IF THERE'S ANY STUDIES DONE WITH THE WILDLAND AND WETLAND PEOPLE. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY STUDIES TO SAY WHAT THE IMPACT TO THEM ARE?

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AND THERE'S NOT -- THE -- THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY WI-FI OR ANYTHING OUT TO THESE NEW HOMES BECAUSE YOU BARELY GET IT MYSELF AND I'M OVER THE, BUT STILL GET IT.

THEY'RE EVEN FARTHER OUT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT JURY CONCERN.

>> PLEASE WRAP IT UP, SIR. >> I'M SORRY.

SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST SAYING I JUST HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHEN THEY DO THIS PROJECT, I MEAN, IT'S THE -- WE'RE JUST 24 EVER SCHLINKE THE WILDLAND AND THE WILDLIFE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. MS. ACEVEDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

RESPOND. >> THANK YOU.

I'LL RESPOND TO MR. COURTNEY'S COMMENTS THERE.

WE HAVE DONE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL WORK AS FAR AS GETTING THE LAND USE COVERS. THERE WERE, IN TERMS OF HE MENTIONED WILDLIFE. WE DID HAVE CARTSER ENVIRONMENTAL GO OUT TO THE SITE AND NOTICE THAT THERE DID APPEAR TO BE SOME GOPHER TORTOISES ON THE SITE, AND SO PART OF WHAT WE WILL NEED TO DO AS PART OF THE ENGINEERING PLAN IS TO DO A FULL SURVEY TO SEE WHERE ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE.

IN TERMS OF THE WETLANDS, WHAT YOU SEE HERE ARE SURVEYED WETLAND, SO WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT FAR.

AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF -- EVEN THOUGH THIS IS LIMITED INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'LL NEED TO PAY FOR SOME KIND OF ENGINEERING PLAN AND WORK THROUGH HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED, BUT AT THIS TIME, AS I HAD MENTIONED, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE LAID THIS OUT THE WAY THAT WE DID WAS TO TRY TO BE EQUITABLE ABOUT HOW MANY UPLANDS THERE WERE PER LOT TO DISCOURAGE ANY KIND OF IMPACTS. I THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD THESE SIX LOTS WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF WETLAND IMPACTS, BUT, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD ALL HAVE TO BE HANDLED WITH DEP AND THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS.

IF LATER DOWN THE ROAD A RESIDENT DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO IMPACT WETLANDS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE SAME PROPER CHANNELS THAT ANYBODY ELSE WOULD TO WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

THE OTHER THING I DID WANT TO MENTION, SINCE IT CAME UP ABOUT THE SIX LOTS AND WHERE TO PUT THE HOUSES, WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD FIT BEST IS WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS MAXIMUM OF SIX DWELLING UNITS. THAT DOESN'T MRS.LY NECESSAY MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO DO SICK DWELLING UNITS, SO IT COULD BE THAT SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO BUY BOTH 5 AND 6, AND THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE, TO HAVE LESS THAN SIX.

SO AT THIS TIME WE DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS WOULD BE AND SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD BE PLACED, BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE ALL SIX LOTS.

WE HAVE NOT DONE A HYDRANT TEST YET BUT THAT WILL END GAB PART OF THE ENGINEERING PROCESS. AND MR. COURTNEY IS RIGHT, IF THERE IS ISSUES, THERE COULD BE THE POTENTIAL OF NEEDING TO SPRINKLER LER HOMES. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR SO I CANNOT SAY THAT WITH CERTAINTY. AND LASTLY, ABOUT THE ROAD MAINTENANCE, THIS EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY IS ACTUALLY PRIVATELY OWNED, AND SO PART OF WHAT MY CLIENT IS WORKING THROUGH IS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHER SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS, BOTH FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR MAINTENANCE LONG-TERM SO WE CAN HAVE AN INSTRUMENT IN WRIEWG WRITING WHERE EVERYONE HAS THEIR FAIR SHARE PENCILED OUT THERE.

IT'S AN OLD RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S JUST KIND OF BEEN HANGING OUT THERE. AND IT COULD CERTAINLY USE SOME TLC. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN.

ALONG WITH THAT AGREEMENT, WE'RE ALSO PUTTING IN LANGUAGE TO ALSO INCORPORATE UTILITY EASEMENT LANGUAGE FOR ELECTRICITY OR WHATEVER ELSE MIGHT BE NEEDED ALONG INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AS WELL. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY.

>> MR. MATT IN THE, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT IF I MAY 1 THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION IS IN THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO THE BOARD AND TO THE AUDIENCE.

IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A LARGE SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, HOWEVER, THERE IS A BILL PENDING FOR THE GOVERNOR'S CONSIDERATION AND POTENTIAL APPROVAL THAT WOULD AMEND THE MAXIMUM SIZE FOR A SMALL SCALE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM 10 ACRES TO 50.

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SHOULD THAT LAW BE APPROVED, GO INTO EFFECT, IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO YOU. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT THE AUDIENCE UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. DOES ANYBODY OF ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE BACK THE IN AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

ANYONE? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A

MOTION. >> OKAY, MS. PERKINS.

>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2020-09 INDIAN BRANCH FARMS, BASED ON FOYER FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND. SECONDED BY MR. ALAIMO.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT AGAIN. WOULD THAT MOTION INCLUDE RECOMMENDATION FOR ADOPTION SHOULD THE LAW PASS THAT WOULD

[Reports]

>> YES, SORRY. >> AND DO YOU SECOND THAT, MR. ALAIMO? ALL RIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING MON, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE

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