[Call to Order]
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PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WAITING TO COMMENT, PLEASE BE AWARE THERE MAY BE 1/32 TIME DELAY IN THE VISUAL PRESENTATIONS IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, TAKE A BRIEF PAUSE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THOSE SORTED OUT, MATERIALS FOR THIS AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES.
FIND THE MEETING AGENDA, CLICK ON TO ACCESS ALL SUPPORTING MATERIALS.
NOW WE WILL HEAR THE PASTOR FROM CHRISTCHURCH.
>> LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS DAY, THANK YOU THIS MORNING THAT THE SUN ROSE THAT WE FEEL THE WARMTH OF AIR ON OUR SKIN AND WE BREATHE IN THE CLEAN AIR OF COASTAL FLORIDA, THANK YOU FOR THE LIFE THAT WE HAVE ON THIS DAY IN FRONT OF US THAT YOU KNOW WE'VE GIVEN US TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD, APOLOGIZE FOR THE MOMENTS IN LIFE WE THINK WE ARE MORE THAN WE ARE.
KEEP US HUMBLE AND NOW THAT WE NEED MORE OF YOU.
PRAY FOR THIS MEETING, WISDOM TO SEE BEYOND THIS MOMENT BAD DECISIONS, TO SEE TO THE FUTURE, PRAY FOR PROTECTIONS FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS.
I PRAY THIS COMMUNITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE A COMMUNITY THAT LOVES ITS NEIGHBORS. WE LOVE YOU, THANK YOU FOR LOVING US AND WE PRAY FOR THIS MEETING OF THE BOSTON TODAY.
IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY.MEN. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: INCORPORATED YOU REMAIN CITY, THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FROM LIEUTENANT BLAIR. UNITED'S ARMY.
>> GOOD MORNING, HONOR TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY.
YESTERDAY WAS FLAG DAY, VERY APPROPRIATE WE TAKE A MOMENT TODAY TO NOT ONLY SALUTE OUR FLAG BUT ROOM MEMBER ALL HAS BROUGHT US FREEDOMS IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO, IF YOU JOIN ME, PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL .
[Proclamation Recognizing July 2021, as Parks and Recreation Month]
NOW WE ARE GOING TO HEAR PROCLAMATION JULY 2021, PARKSAND RECREATION MONTH. >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL DOUG PATEL, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND ALL THAT ARE HEAR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A VERY TOUGH DEPARTMENT. DURING THE BAD TIMES, THE FIRST ONE TO KIND OF GET CAUGHT. THEY HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB DO THAT. THROUGH THE COVID PANDEMIC.
RECREATION IS GROWING EVERY DAY IN OUR COUNTY.
AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK TO READ THE PROCLAMATION INTO THE
RECORD. >> PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA.
PARKS AND RECREATION VITALLY IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN A QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY ENSURING THE
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HEALTH OF ALL OUR RESIDENTS. CONTRIBUTING TO THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT OR WELL-BEING OF THE COMMUNITY AND REGION.PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS BUILD HEALTHY, ACTIVE COMMUNITIES THAT AID IN THE PREVENTION OF CHRONIC DISEASE, THERAPEUTIC RECREATION SERVICES FOR THOSE WHO ARE MENTALLY OR PHYSICALLY DISABLED AND IMPROVE MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL HEALTH.
PARKS AND RECREATION'S PROGRAM INCREASE THE COMMUNITY'S ECONOMIC PROSPERITY TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUE, EXPECTION OF LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASED TOURISM, ATTRACTION AND RETENTION OF BUSINESSES AND CRIME REDUCTION.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANT PARKS RECREATIONAL PROGRAMS IN OPEN GREEN SPACE SAT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THE VALUE, THE ROLE THEY PLAY, ENSURING ECOLOGICAL BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND PROVIDING A PLACE FOR CHILDREN AND ADULTS TO CONNECT WITH NATURE AND RECREATE OUTDOORS.
BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY FLORIDA, JULY 2012 AND BE RECOGNIZED AS PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH. PASSING ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ST. CHARLES COUNTY FLORIDA, 15TH DAY OF JUNE 20 21. JAY PATTY CLERK OF COURTS, SIGNED JEREMIAH BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THIS RECOGNITION. ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN JULY, RECREATION AND PARKS MONTH PERIOD OCCURRING FOR ALL THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT SERVE THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
REALLY WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE GREAT TEAM, VIEW THEM HERE TODAY, WE GOT FOLKS OUT THEY ARE DOING MAINTENANCE, DELIVERING PROGRAMS, MANAGING BEACHES, PICKING UP TRASH, KEEP OUR PARK SYSTEM GREAT. I WANT TO THANK MANY VOLUNTEERS WE HAVE. FOLKS GOT A BEACH CLEANUP TO THE FOLKS THAT WERE ON OUR LOCAL SPORTS ASSOCIATION AND NUMEROUS COACHES THAT DEDICATE THE HUGE AMOUNT TIME TO THE SPORTS PROGRAM. WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE THAT MAKE THIS PROGRAM POSSIBLE AND RECOGNIZE ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT PARKS DO IN OUR COMMUNITIES TO MAKE PEOPLE HEALTHIER, HELP OUR ENVIRONMENT AND HELP OUR ECONOMY TO MAKE THIS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS RECOGNITION. APPLAUSE]
[Acceptance of Proclamation]
>> OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
THANK YOU TO OUR TEAM FROM PARTS AND BACK.
YOU HAVE A MOTION. >> SO MOVED, SECOND.
[Consent Agenda]
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >>> ARE THERE ANYTHING ELSE
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, > NON- >> MR. WALTER.
>> NONE. >> MR. CHAIR, IF THE BOARD WOULD DELETE CONSENT NUMBER 5, THE TOWN PLATT CONSENT 5, THAT
WILL RETURN. >> MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT.
>> I'M GETTING THERE. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR THAT BEFORE WE VOTED, GO AHEAD. PUBLIC COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA, NAME AND ADDRESS. MR. SLAVEN GOOD MORNING.
>> ED SLAVEN. CALLING YOUR COUSIN'S ATTENTION TO AGENDA ITEM 26 CRIMESTOPPERS INCORPORATED, COLD CASES, INITIATIVES AND AWARDS. IT'S ONLY $1000.
I'M WONDERING SHOULD IT BE MORE? OR SHOULD BE LESS? ON THE ONE HAND, UNSOLVED HOMICIDES INCLUDING MICHELLE O'CONNELL, ELI.
[NAME] GENERALLY 31ST 2019. I DON'T THINK ENOUGH RESOURCES TO SOLVE THESE CARDS. IN THE CASE OF MICHELLE O'CONNELL, TWO RESPECTED JUDGES, JUDGE LOCALLY AND JUDGE DAVIS AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, PROBABLE CAUSE THAT HOMICIDE WAS COMMITTED. WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE TO SOLVE THESE CRIMES? ON THE OTHER HAND, CRIMESTOPPERS INCORPORATED IS A 501(C)(3). A GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION.
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I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHY WE ARE DOUBLING OUT MONEY TO 501(C)(3) WITHOUT SUFFICIENT OVERSIGHT.THE REASON I ASK ABOUT THAT IS A FEW YEARS AGO IN CONNECTION WITH THE AIPAC, ASPHALT COMPANY, IT WAS INCLUDING PLANS. CAUSING GREAT DEAL OF POLLUTION HUNDRED PEOPLES' HEALTH. REASON I KNOW THAT FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER BRIAN, KEEP THIS COMMISSION AND SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ON JERRY 28TH 2005 ABOUT THAT ASPHALT PLAN.
HE AND I WOULD PICK AT THAT ASPHALT PLANT ALONG WITH A COUPLE LADIES. IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLANT, WHEN I REPORTED AND ARSON EVENTS TO CRIMESTOPPERS, THEY SAID WE DO NOT DO CORPORATE CRIME.
IN FACT, THE PART OF HER WAS CALLED BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE THE ASPHALT PLANT, SET A FIRE TO REMOVE ASPHALT FROM CONNATE BEAR BELL. UNDERSTAND THIS, NOT HOPE YOUR MOVE ASPHALT FROM A CONVEYOR BELT.
ARSON CRIME COMMITTED BY A CORPORATION IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY. CRIME STOPPERS DOES NOT INVESTIGATE CORPORATE CRIME. THAT IS THE ATTITUDE OF CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, TOO. OFFICER TOLD ME AUGUST 1 LAST YEAR, I CAN'T A CHARTER CORPORATION WITH A CRIME.
I KNOW SOME REPUBLICANS THINK WE SHOULD TOTALLY DEREGULATE CORPORATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS. PLEASE ASK CHIEF HARDWICK TO DO A REPORT FOR THE NEXT COMMISSIONER MEETING.
GIVE MORE TO CRIMESTOPPERS OR LESS TO CRIMESTOPPERS? ANYWHERE IN THE NAME OF HOLY SCRIPTURE OR CONSTITUTIONAL LAW IT IS WRITTEN THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW AGAINST CORPORATIONS? THAT WERE NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW AGAINST JEREMY BANKS? WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE HOMICIDES WERE TWO JUDGES SAID THERE WAS PROBABLE CAUSE THAT JEREMY BANKS KILLED MICHELLE O'CONNELL?S THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I SEE NO CALLS EITHER.
>> IS THERE A MOTION. >> I MOVE.
COMMISSIONER DEAN SECOND. >> SECOND.> SECOND BY
[Regular Agenda]
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.ALL RIGHT, PASSES. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST REGULAR
AGENDA. >> I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT
AGENDA 5 BE HELD OR NOT. >> IF I MAY, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 5, THE PARK DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BE CONTINUED FROM TODAY'S AGENDA TO THE AUGUST 3, 2021 AT 9:00 A.M. I BELIEVE AFTER DOING SOME BRIEFINGS AND GETTING SOME INPUT, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO BRING BACK MORE FULL INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION. IT WOULD BE THE REQUEST, IF THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER IF IT ADOPTS OR APPROVES THE REGULAR AGENDA TO HAVE THAT ALSO IN EFFECT TO OPEN AND CONTINUE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 TO AUGUST 3 AT 9:00 A.M.
>> OKAY. >> AT THE REQUEST OF THE
APPLICANT. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER?
>> NO, SIR. >> MR. WALTER, NONE.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH.> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> COMMISSIONER DINK. >> NONE.
>> IS OUR MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED?
>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
[1. Constitutional Officers’ Fiscal Year 2022 Budget Presentations - St. Johns County Property Appraiser & St. Johns County Sheriff.]
SECOND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.>> AYE. >>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1.
>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JESSE DUNN.
>> BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, FOR THE AUDIENCE, PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE DURING PRESENTATION, GIVE YOU CHANCE APPEAR TO THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT FIREFIGHTERS. >> VERY GOOD.
JUNE 1, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS BUDGETS WERE WITHIN LINE OF OFFICE MANAGER BUDGET AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.
ON JUNE 1 WE HAD CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER BUDGET PRESENTATIONS,
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WHICH WAS CLERK OF COURT AND SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS FOR FY 22, BOTH PROPERTY APPRAISER AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE PRESENT FY 22 BUDGET REQUESTS. THERE IS NO ACTION REQUIRED TODAY. THIS IS REALLY INFORMATIONAL ONLY. AGAIN, PART OF CONTINUING BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE HAVE AS WE MOVE TOWARD RECOMMENDED BUDGET IN JULY. REALLY, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO FROM MYSELF, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ASK APPRAISER EDDIE KRAMER TO COME FORWARD FOR HIS PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, JESSE. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN BLOCKER AND FOLLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THIS BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR YOU TO GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON OUR OFFICE, THE COUNTY, AND WHAT OUR BUDGET WILL BE FOR THE COMING YEAR.
AS YOU ARE AWARE, SUBMIT BUDGET TO TAXING AUTHORITIES JUNE 1 THROUGH THE YEAR. GOES TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE FOR OVERSIGHT AND REVIEW THERE.
IN THE PRESENTATION, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE. YOU ARE ALREADY AWARE OF TESTS OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IN THE COUNTY OVER THE PAST 5.5 YEARS. AND HOW WE IN OUR OFFICE ARE DEALING WITH A CHALLENGE UNTIL WHAT OUR BUDGET WILL BE FOR THE COMING YEAR. WHAT I PUT APPEAR FOR YOUR INFORMATION, REGARDING NOTICE AND INFORMATION FOR THE AUDIENCE. SOMETHING WE POST ON OUR WEBSITE, TAX ROLE AT A GLANCE, UPDATED WEEKLY.
IT SHOWS ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO LOOK WHAT THE STATE JOHN'S COUNTY TAX ROLE IS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, BROKEN DOWN BY RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, PARTIALS, NEW CONSTRUCTION ETC.
WE ALSO PROVIDE EIGHT MORE DETAILED VERSION OF THIS TO TAXING AUTHORITIES BY LOG IN. TAXING AUTHORITIES AND THE BUDGET STAFFS CAN GO IN ON A DAILY BASIS, UPDATE IT, LOOK IT OVER ALL VALUE INCREASES, LOOK AT SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, ZIP CODES DEMOGRAPHICS AND UNDERSTAND WHERE VALUES OR INCREASES ARE OCCURRING. IN THE INTEREST OF MACON SURE THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO USE IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO LAST-MINUTE TO RECEIVE. LAST 5.5 YEARS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IS NOT GOING TO COME TO SURPRISE TO YOU THAT VALUES ARE INCREASING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT PRESENT IT GRAPHICALLY, YOU CAN SEE THE DRAMATIC NATURE OF INCREASES, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, NON-RESIDENTIAL TYPE PROPERTIES SINCE 2017 VALUES INCREASE, THE BLUELINE TAXABLE VALUE, GRADE 9 ROCKET VALUE. INCREASES, NON- RESIDENTIAL HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES SUBJECT TO 10 PERCENT CAP.
COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES SEEING AN INCREASE EVERY YEAR INSIDE THEIR CAP. 53 PERCENT.
TOTAL TAX ROLE, 3.6 BILLION IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER.T IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER TIME. ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, THIS CATEGORY INCLUDES APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND RENTAL COMPLEXES. AS THEIR VALUES INCREASE, OBVIOUSLY GETS PASSED TO THE RENTERS AS WE BECOME MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COUNTY.
THE WAY OUR VALUES ARE INCREASING NOW, CERTAINLY DOES NOT ENHANCE AFFORDABILITY IN THE COUNTY.
TO POINT OUT EVALUATION, THERE ARE THREE METHODS OF EVALUATION. THE MARKET APPROACH, THE INCOME APPROACH, THE COST APPROACH. COMMERCIAL, GENERALLY USE INCOME APPROACH. WE FALL BACK ON COST AND MARKET. NUMBERS JUSTIFIED BY MARKET DATA PROPERTIES OF SALE.N THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, RESIDENTIAL VALUES IN THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME, UP 45 PERCENT.
THIS IS A COMBINATION OF SALES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THAT IS BEING ADDED. HOW HOMESTAY PROPERTIES MAKE UP A VOT 60 PERCENT OF TOTAL RESIDENPROPERTIES.
130,000 TOTAL RESIDENTIAL. SEPARATE 78,000 IS HOMESTEADED.
IF YOUR PROPERTY IS NOT HOMESTEAD, NOT PERMANENT
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RESIDENCE. IT MIGHT BE A VACATION HOME, PART-TIME HOME, MANY CASES A RENTAL HOME.THOSE CASES, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO 10 PERCENT NON-HOMESTEAD CAP.
INCREASE OF 10 PERCENT OF VALUE EACH YEAR.
IF YOU ARE HOMESTEAD PROPERTY, SUBJECT TO THE LESSER OF THREE PERCENT OR INCREASE OF COST-OF-LIVING INDEX.
THE PAST FIVE YEARS, INCREASE IN HOMESTEAD VALUE HAS BEEN THE COST OF LIVING INDEX, NOT THREE PERCENT CAP.
THE PRICE OF HOMES HAVE INCREASED DRAMATICALLY, FOR INSTANCE, THIS YEAR THE COST-OF-LIVING IS PUBLISHED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA WAS 1.4 PERCENT.
ON HOMESTEAD PROPERTY FOR NON-HOMESTEAD PROPERTY AFFORDABILITY, BEING READY, EVERY YEAR DRAMATIC INCREASE IN VALUE. I INCLUDED THE VALUES HERE SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT ONE OF THE DOWNFALLS OF THE PROPERTY TAXATION, PROPERTY TAXES CAN BE INCREASE ON OWNERS NOT REGARDS TO MILLAGE.
DRAMATIC MARKET VALUE INCREASES.
THE CARLESS WHAT HAPPENS WITH MILLAGE RATES IN ANY TAXING AUTHORITIES, HOMEOWNERS ESPECIALLY THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE HOMESTEAD CAP.
INCREASES IN THEIR PROPERTY TAXES YEAR AFTER YEAR.
LAST YEAR WAS A CHALLENGING YEAR FOR US BECAUSE OF COVID.
I WOULD SAY GOING INTO GET THIS YEAR WHICH WILL BE 2022, AGAIN, A CHALLENGING YEAR. VALUE INCREASES WE ARE SEEING TODAY ON CURRENT SALES. SOMETHING I'VE NOT EXPERIENCED.
SHORT-TERM PROPERTY RIGAPPRAISE. 2002-2004 COMPARISON, WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW. ROUTINELY SEEING EVERYDAY.
WE DO OUR PRAYERS, APPRAISING GENERALLY FIRST OF THE TAX YEAR. 30-40-50 PERCENT HIGHER THAN VALUES RECORDED LAST YEAR. SALES RECORDED LAST YEAR.
ESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WILL BE QUITE INTERESTING.
THE NEXT PAGE PARTIAL COUNTS IN THE COUNTY, BREAK DOWN, TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY, TALK ABOUT REAL ESTATE.
WE ARE RESIDENTS COUNTY. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS TOTAL PARCELS 140,000 AT 141,000, -156,000.
YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL 113 TO 130.2.
THERE HAS BEEN INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL TANGIBLE TAX ROLE HAS DECLINED. CULTURAL PARCELS HAVE ALSO DECLINED.THER PARCELS REPRESENT GOVERNMENT ENTITIES, NONTAXABLE ENTITIES. RAILROADS, CABLE PROVIDERS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE EXPECT INCREASE IN PARCEL BASED ON BUILDING PERMITS BEING ISSUED TODAY.ND NUMBER OF NEW HOMES BEING CONSTRUCTED AND SUBDIVISIONS PARCEL COUNT CONTINUE TO INCREASE. THAT IS KIND OF AT A GLANCE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE TAX ROLE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
I WANT TO MOVE INTO THE BUDGET OF A BIT NOW AND GIVE YOU A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE DO. WE TRACK COMPARISON BY OUR COST TO HANDLE A PARCEL. OUR PARCELS PER EMPLOYEE.
THEN OUR ^ TOP LINE IN A GREEN, PARCELS PER EMPLOYEE.
2017, EACH OF OUR EMPLOYEES RESPONSIBLE SO TO SPEAK 2710 PARCELS PER INCREASED 3975 PARCELS PER EMPLOYEE.
OUR CAUSE, TOTAL EXPENDITURES PER PARCEL.
THE DECLINE FROM $38 2017 32 2020.
34 AND 2021 AND 34 2022 IS A BIT DECEIVING BECAUSE THAT IS A BUDGETED COMPARISON. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ACTUAL COST REVERSION BACK TO THE COUNTY AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
2022 IS BUDGET ONLY AT THAT PERIOD.
FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT EMPLOYEES DROPPED 52, -40.5 THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.
IT CAME OUT A LITTLE SMALL. WHAT I WILL POINT OUT HERE, INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR.
INCREASES IN OUR SALIC BUDGET REPRESENTS 1.6 PERCENT, COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE THAT WAS APPROVED STATE EMPLOYEES.
COUNTY EMPLOYEES. THEN DOWN BELOW THE LINE, NON-OPERATING INCREASE IS TWO PERCENT.
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THAT IS MERIT INCREASE AMOUNT THAT THE COUNTY APPLIED FOR APPROVAL ON. WE MIRROR COUNTY FOR SALARY INCREASES PER EMPLOYEE. SLIGHT INCREASE OPERATING EXPENSE BUDGET THIS YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT SAYS $1000.IT IS MADE UP OF AN INCREASE OF ANNUAL MAINTENANCE ON COMPUTER SYSTEM APPRAISAL SOFTWARE. WE PAY MAINTENANCE FEE EACH YEAR, 2C/4, MAINTAIN SOFTWARE MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES FOR US. THAT INCREASE.
BUDGET FOR AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY INCREASE THIS YEAR.ART OF THAT, THE REASON THAT INCREASED HIS WE HAVE ASKED AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY COMPANY TO INCREASE RESOLUTION OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
WE WERE FLYING PORTION OF COUNTY AND 3 INCH RESOLUTION IN ANOTHER PORTION OF THE COUNTY A LOWER RESOLUTION SIMPLY BECAUSE THOSE AREAS DID NOT REQUIRE SAME SORT OF LOOK FOR IT APPRAISAL. NOT MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTY DATE THAT NOT BUILDING, SELLING, OR DEVELOPING.
WE NEED A HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOGRAPHY FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY NOW. SLIGHT INCREASE IN THAT.
CAPITAL EXPENDITURE, $320,000, I BELIEVE, THAT IS PAYMENT FOR OUR STREET LEVEL IMAGERY. WHICH I WILL GET TO THAT IS I GO INTO THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS PAST YEAR WE CONSIDERED SUCCESS FOR OUR OFFICE.
I WILL POINT OUT FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT, 2016 PROPERTY APPRAISER, I REQUEST CAPITAL EXPENDITURES $5.6 MILLION.
TRY TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL OF SPENDING.
WITH CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.
A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF WHERE OUR BUDGET COMES FROM, BIGGEST PORTION OF OUR BUDGET IS EMPLOYEE EXPENSES, OR SALARY EXPENSES. THAT IS WHAT WE DO.
WE ARE PROFESSIONAL APPRAISERS. ALL OF OUR STAFF EITHER TODAY IS A CERTIFIED FIELD EXAMINER OR EVALUATED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. OR THEY WILL BE WITHIN TWO YEARS. WE REQUIRE THAT WHEN YOU GO TO WORK. TAKES YOU TWO YEARS TO RECEIVE THIS DESIGNATION. WE REQUIRE YOU TO RECEIVE THE DESIGNATION WITHIN TWO YEARS. OPERATING EXPENSES IS A SMALL PART OF OUR BUDGET. CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN A MINUTE AS WE TAKE ON ADDITIONAL PROJECTS.
I AM ALSO PROUD TO SAY HERE BECAUSE OUR RAW MATERIALS, IF YOU WILL, OUR EMPLOYEES, EVALUATORS, PRICES, CUSTOMER SERVICE STAFF, MAPPING PEOPLE, GIS, DEEDS PEOPLE ÃWE HAVE BEEN ABLE BY REDUCING HEADCOUNT TO BE IN A POSITION THAT THE LOWEST WAGE WE OFFER ANYBODY IS $20 AN HOUR.
ENTRY-LEVEL PERSON IN OUR OFFICE IS $20 AN HOUR BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO HIRE PROFESSIONALS.
COMPARED TO SIX YEARS AGO IT WAS $14 AN HOUR.
ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT WITHOUT INCREASING OPERATING BUDGET.
LAST SAMPLE TO CLOSE, UPDATE ON THREE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS WE UNDERTOOK LAST YEAR. PUSHPIN CHANGE DETECTION, ALLOWS OUR STAFF TO DO IS TAKE OUR GIS MAPPING AND AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY. IT OVERLAYS AND IT REVIEWS.
IT IDENTIFIES ANY PROPERTY TO US THAT HAS HAD A CHANGE IN SIZE BY MORE THAN FIVE PERCENT. IT HAS BECOME SMALLER BY FIVE PERCENT FOOTPRINT ARE LARGER BY FIVE PERCENT FOOTPRINT AND IDENTIFIES PROPERTY TO APPRAISER TO REVIEW.
IDENTIFY PROPERTIES DEMOLISHED OF THE TAX YEARS TO TAKE THEM OFF. IDENTIFY PROPERTIES THEY HAVE BEEN EXPANDED OR IN ADDITION TO THE TAX YEAR AND ADD THEM TO THE ROLE. THIS OCCURRED WAS SOMETHING WAS DONE WITHOUT A PERMIT. HONESTLY NOT VERY OFTEN, MORE THE CASE WHEN WE HAVE MISSED THE PERMIT OR DID NOT PICK THE PERMIT UP AND ALLOWS US TO CATCH IT.
THIS YEAR WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO IDENTIFY NUMBER OF COMPLETED HOMES THAT NEVER GOT CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
HELPFUL FOR US TO DO THAT AND GET THE HOMES PROPERLY ON THE BOWLS. CYCLOMEDIA IMAGERY MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT WE HAVE TAKEN IN MY 5.5 YEARS HIGH-RESOLUTION STREET LEVEL IMAGERY OF EVERY ROAD IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
RESOLUTION IS IMAGERY IS 360 BY DEGREES.
IT ALSO ALSO WHY, DETERMINED BY NOTION ELEVATIONS, RUTH ELEVATIONS, ETC. AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY AN HOUR MAPS ALLOW
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US TO DO THE SHARE OF APPRAISAL WORK FROM THE DESKTOP.THEY HAVE VERY SOPHISTICATED MEASURING TOOLS ACCURATE WITHIN 4 INCHES. WE DO NOT HAVE AS LARGE A NEED NOW TO SET APPRAISERS IN THE FIELD BOTHER PEOPLE BY KNOCKING ON DOORS DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY IF WE'RE GOING TO PULL A TAPE MEASURE ON THE HOUSE. FAR MORE ACCURATE NOW ON THE PROPERTIES WE CAN SEE. MANY CANNOT SEE OBVIOUSLY DOING OUR APPRAISAL WORK FROM THAT. THAT HAS BEEN A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FOR WHAT WE DO. ON TOP OF THAT, BEEN PUSHED THAT OUT ON OUR WEBSITE. INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER TO GO TO THE WEBSITE, IMAGE OF THE HOUSES PRESENTED.
THEY CAN ZOOM IN, ZOOM OUT, 360 AROUND THAT AS WELL.
ADD THE LAST PROJECT I WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON, IS WHAT WE COMPLETED LAST YEAR. THAT IS TRUEROLL, AUDIT OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS IN THE COUNTY.
WE COMPLETED THAT. WE IDENTIFIED, GO BACK AND GIVE YOU THE WRONG NUMBERS. WE IDENTIFIED 236 PROPERTIES IMPROPERLY CLAIMING HOMESTEAD. PROPERTIES WERE LEAD.
THE LIONS TOTAL 1.1 MY DOLLARS, PENALTIES AND INTEREST.
PSO FAR, $869,000 OF THAT WAS COLLECTED, WHICH KIND OF INDICATED TO ME THAT THE PROJECT WAS ÃI SAW THE LIEN, YES YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M GOING TO PAY MY LIEN.
PROJECT IS DONE FROM AN AUDIT STANDPOINT.
WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT THE ROLE IS CLEAN.
OUR STAFF DOES EXCELLENT JOB AT HOMESTEAD APPLICATION.
AGREEMENT WITH TRUEROLL, GOING FORWARD THEY WILL MONITOR EXEMPTIONS AND HELP US DETERMINE WHEN EVENTS OCCUR OUT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT MAY AFFECT HOMES EXEMPTIONS AND INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER. NO CONTINGENCY FEE AND MONITORING AGREEMENT. THAT IS ONGOING.
ALSO FINISHED PART OF AGREEMENT WITH TRUEROLL, IDENTIFY AND CLAIM EXEMPTIONS IN THE COUNTY. MY BELIEF IS I'M TASKED BY THE CONSTITUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT QUALIFIED, YOU DON'T RECEIVE IT ALSO IF YOU ARE QUALIFIED YOU GET IT.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH TRUEROLL AND DATA SOURCES FROM CENSUS BUREAU, INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, DMV, INCOME DATA, AGENT DATA, VETERANS DATA, ETC. ABLE TO IDENTIFY 1900 PROPERTY OWNERS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY QUALIFIED FOR EXEMPTION, BUT DID NOT APPLY. WE DID A TARGETED SPECIFIC DIRECT MAIL TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS PERSONALIZED.
ABLE TO GRANT 100 NEW EXEMPTIONS TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS. THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT, MOST OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS ARE LOW INCOME SENIOR AND VETERANS.
THAT IS A PROJECT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THROUGH EACH YEAR. WITH THAT, I WILL STOP.
AND ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
>> THANK YOU, MR. KRAMER. ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DEAN. >> MR. KRAMER, I FEEL ODD CALLING YOU MR. KRAMER. EDDIE WAS MY BAKER FOR 10 YEARS.
[LAUGHING] >> I AM SURE YOU PROBABLY ADOPTED RECENTLY FOR THE FIRST TIME FIRST TIME RENTAL ORDINANCE FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WHICH I BELIEVE REQUIRES REGISTRATION BY NOVEMBER 4. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CROSSCHECK AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE REGISTERED SHORT-TERM RENTALS ESTIMATE AROUND A COUPLE THOUSAND THAT ARE SUBJECT TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL, EAST OF WATERWAY. CROSSCHECK WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS STUDIED TO SEE HOW THAT FITS.
MY GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE, LIKE HE JUST SAID, THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE DESERVING OF OUR QUALIFYING FOR HOMESTEAD NEED TO CERTAINLY GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IF THEY DESERVE IT.HORT-TERM RENTALS, PRIMARILY THE HOMEOWNER USING THEIR HOME, NOT LIVING THERE, BUT COMMERCIAL USE DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS REGISTRATION LIST WE ARE IN POSITION TO COORDINATE WITH YOUR OFFICE BETTER?> ABSOLUTELY. EXCUSE ME.
SIMPLE ANSWER IS YES. ANY INFORMATION WE CAN GET ALONG THOSE LINES IS HELPFUL TO US.
I WOULD ALMOST THINK THAT THE OTHER WAY.
I THINK IT WOULD BE EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO PROVIDE TO YOU THE LIST OF RENTALS THAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH TRUEROLL.
TRUEROLL AND METHODS THEY CAN USED TO IDENTIFY RENTALS,
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PROBABLY FAR EXCEED METHODS THAT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY CAN USE, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE RESOURCES TO CALL CALL CENTERS AIRBNB, OR OTHERS, ABSOLUTELY ANY INFORMATION WE COULD SHARE BETWEEN AGENCIES ENHANCES ALL OF OUR ABILITY TODO WHAT WE DO MORE EFFICIENTLY. >> THANK YOU.
>> LISTEN, WE APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR OFFICE TOO.
A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS. APPRECIATE YOUR STAFF AND HARD WORK. APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP RIGHT
EACH YEAR, ONCE I PRESENT HERE, PROPOSED BUDGET WILL GO ONTO OUR WEBSITE, IT CAN BE VIEWED. ONCE APPROVES IT, FINAL BUDGET ON OUR WEBSITE. EACH MONTH WE POST MONTHLY FINANCIALS ON A WEBSITE THAT SHOWS ACTUAL VERSUS BUDGET VARIANCE THAT CAN BE VIEWED BY ANYONE TO TAKE A LOOK.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU.
SHERIFF. >> NEXT UP, SHARON HARDWICK,
PRESENT AS WELL. >> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONS, GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU.
I WANT TO SURFACE ANUS, FIRST OF ALL, I CANNOT THANK THE COUNTY STAFF, JESSE DUNN, CONRAD, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ILLUSTRATION WORKING HAND-IN-HAND SINCE I BECAME YORK SHERIFF AND IS SWORN IN JANUARY CANNOT THANK THEM ENOUGH. WE WOULD NOT BE HERE WITHOUT THEM AND GO TO THE NUMBERS. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A ROB HARDWICK PRESENTATION, TALKING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.
I STAND HERE TODAY AS YOUR SHARE FOR PRESENT MY BUDGET U.S. SHERIFF OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU SPENT WITH ME AND CANDID WITH ME IN MY BUDGET AND OF COURSE AS WE GO FORWARD AS COMMISSIONERS.
LAST YEAR LOW, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, I APOLOGIZE, LAST YEAR A LOAD IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE YOU WILL SEE HERE WITH BRIEF STATS WE USE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, WE RESPOND TO 247,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. OUR POPULATION UP THERE TO A 75,000. ONE THING WE DON'T CALCULATE IS FOR VISITORS, WHICH WERE ASSUMING AROUND 6 MILLION.
UPWARDS ITALIAN VISITORS TO OUR BEACHES.
1.25 MILLION PEER WAS THAT THAT MEAN? APPLES TO APPLES TO OTHER COUNTIES, REALLY, SIMPLY SAYS PROVIDING ADEQUATE SERVICES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO PROTECT? DISCUSS THAT IN A MINUTE. OUT OF 20 47,000 CALL SERVICE, 95,000 CALLS CALLS TO COMMUNICATION SEVERE 670 CALLS THEY ARE RECEIVING A DAY THE COMMUNICATION CENTER.
REASON IS IMPORTANT, WERE NOT JUST ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, DEPUTY SHERIFFS.
WE ARE ST. JOHN'S VACATION CENTER, CORRECTIONS, BAILIFFS PROTECT JUDGES AND OUR COURT SYSTEM.
WE ARE MUCH BIGGER PICTURE PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY.
THE MAJOR DRUG SIEGES, TALK ABOUT THE PAIR BOND THROUGH CORRECTION DIVISION AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION AS WELL.
ON THE BOTTOM, AVERAGE DAILY POPULATION ST. JOHN'S COUNTY JAIL WAS 410. HOWEVER INCREASES UP NOW, MUTUAL AID AGREEMENT WITH JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO HOUSE INMATES DURING A CURRENT EVENT THIS COMING WEEKEND. THE RECEPTIVENESS OF COBB POLICE AND NATALIE, AGAIN, DISCUSSED BEFORE IN PREVIOUS COMMISSION MEETINGS, 221,000 SQUARE MILES OF WATER, TOO.
SO SURROUNDED BY WATER. THIS IS SOMETHING I PER MONITORING CAMPAIGN. CONTINUE TO STAY ON IT.
WE WANT THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO BE THE BEST PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY, RAISE A FAMILY. CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE PROVEN OUR WORK IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS I DISCUSSED EARLIER 20 PERCENT DECREASE CRIME INDEX RATE.
IT DOES NOT STOP US AND REDUCE US IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.
GET BETTER TECHNOLOGY, BETTER POLICING TECHNIQUES.
REEVALUATING OUR DISTRICT POLICING CONCEPT.
MAKING PEOPLE INTO BETTER PEOPLE EXIT JAIL SOMETHING I MEANT I'M DOING NOW AND DO FOR YOU AS SHARE.
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THIS IS MY CONCERN.E TOOK FIRST PLACE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FESTIVE GRAY COUNTY AND STATE OF FLORIDA NO STOPPING.TALK ABOUT 5000 PERMITS PULLED NEW FAMILY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, COMMERCIAL GROWTH ALL-TIME HIGH ST. JOHN'S COUNT, WHO DOESN'T WANT TO COME HERE TO OPEN A BUSINESS AND ALSO LIVE AND HAVE OUR KIDS GO TO NUMBER 1 SCHOOL DISTRICT. ON TOP OF THAT, TALK ABOUT OUR BEACHES, TOO. BEACHES CHEAPEST VACATION THAT PEOPLE COULD DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE WAS CLOSE, OUR BEACH OPEN.
SHORT PERIOD OF TIME CLOSE. I WAS YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE AT THE TIME AT THE BEACH, NOW CH, NOW REOPENED TO A VERY ROBUST CROWD IN HISTORIC CITY AND OF COURSE OUR BEACHES ACROSS ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. AS WE GO THROUGH EACH SLIDE HERE, THREE MORE SIDES AFTER THIS.
IF YOU LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE STATE JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOUR DIVISIONS PER DON'T HAVE LUNCH OR BREAKING DIVISIONS NOW. PRESENT BUDGET AS A WHOLE IS A ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
LAW ENFORCEMENT OWN ENTITY IS SHAKEDOWNS SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
COURT SERVICES ARE UNDER DIRECTOR IN OWN DIVISION.
ALSO 9-1-1 FUNDING AS WELL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATED.
BAILIFFS. AS WE GO DOWN THROUGH BUDGETS, ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN BUDGET AS SAFE AS KHAN, MAJORITY OF THAT BUDGET YOU SEE IS PERSONNEL, COMPENSATION INCREASES RANK OF LIEUTENANT ALBERT NOT FOR EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBERS IN ST. JOHN COUNTY'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AS MR. CREAMER HAD SAID, MAKING $20 AND ARE LEAST AFFORD TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
AS WE GO THROUGH EACH OF THE BUDGETS, ACTUALLY SPEAK ON EACH TOPIC INDIVIDUAL. PERSONAL SERVICES, INCREASE IN OUR PAY PERIOD OF OUR BASELINE PAY.
MANY OF US. BEFORE I BECAME YOUR SHARE, PAY COMPENSATION STUDY WITH SAINT AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SHARE THAT COMPENSATION STUDY WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
SHERIFF TOOK A SHORTCUT THAT IS THE FETISHIZED TERM.
NEW COMPENSATION PLAN FOR DEPUTY SHERIFF, CORRECTION, E-911 OPERATES, GENERAL STAFF IN ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
PERSONNEL SERVICES, ASKING INCREASE IN THAT TO RAISE INCREASE IN THE ACTUAL PAY FOR OUR DEPUTY STAFF AND ALL THE PAY AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. OPERATING EXPENSE CONTINUE TO INCREASE, NEVER PLAN FOR A TRISTON BAILEY CASE, A MURDER CASE THAT WAS VERY LABOR INTENSIVE FOR ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMOTION WE SEARCH FOR THE BODY, WHAT THE, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOOD CANVAS. IT TAKES LOTS OF MANPOWER OF OUR PERSONNEL TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE THESE TASKS.
TALK ABOUT OPERATING EXPENSES, THAT PER CAPITA.
ONGOING RECURRING CAPITAL OUTLAY EXPENSES.
OUR WEAPONS, OUR CAR RIFLES, OUR RADIOS.
REMEMBER SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS SITTING HERE WHEN YOU APPROVED 26 PLANO BUDGET ALMOST 10 YEARS AGO, BREEDED 800 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM. OUR WARRANTY OUT.
EACH INDIVIDUAL RADIO I CARRY ON MY HEAD, ALMOST $7000 PER ONE RADIO. CONTINUE TO REPLACE RADIO SO MEN AND WOMEN ARE SAFE, NO LONGER UNDER WARRANTY.
AS WE BREAK THEM, WE REPLACE THEM.
WITH THAT OPERATING EXPENSE COMES WITH EXPENSE SOME OF THE OLD WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY. ON TOP OF THAT, REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. COMMISSIONER APPROVED IT.
COMPS MODERN TECHNOLOGY. SOFTWARE UPDATES.
WE COMPLY WITH ST. JOHN'S SCHOOL DISTRICT WHICH ISB.
OFTWARE TAKES MONEY AND DOLLARS TO CAUSE AN INCREASE PER GO THROUGH LAPTOPS, ALL OF OUR DEPUTY SHARES HAVE A LAPTOP IN THE CAR. TRACK OTHER MEMBERS OF AGENCY AS A RESPONSE FOR CALLS FOR SERVICE.
REPORT WRITING TECHNIQUE AS WELL.
OUR DEBT SERVICES, OUR FLEET WILL ALWAYS HAVE A DEBT SERVICE. MAKE SURE OUR FLEET IS THE BEST FLEET SO MEN AND WOMEN TO GET COLD CALL.
SOME COMMISSIONS I SPOKE TO YOU WHAT THAT ACTUALLY ENTAILS.
MEN AND WOMEN IN THAT OFFICE 12 HOURS A DAY.
WE KNOW NOW BASED ON CRASH TESTING, VEHICLES WITH BOARD EXPORTS, BEST VEHICLE THAT PROTECTS OUR MEN AND WOMEN RESPOND TO CALLS HIS SERVICE IN PROVIDING PROTECTION FOR OUR CITIZENS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. OUR REVENUE SOURCE HERE IS NOT FINISHED. NEGOTIATION STAGES WITH THE CONTRACT. NEXT BOARD MEETING.
COME FROM MY STAFF. REVENUE SOURCE BENEFICIAL TO US OVER THE YEARS WAS OUR WORK SQUADS. WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ST.
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JOHN'S COUNTY UNDER INCREASE IN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR WORK SQUADS, WERE NOT DOING THE BUSINESSES ANYMORE RIGHT NOW, OUR MEN AND WOMEN COUNTY SENATE GO TO A RESTAURANT, WORK AND COME BACK. ALSO, TOO, CUT SERVICES WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY GENERAL SERVICES DON'T HAVE INMATES DURING COVID.INMATES NOT SENDING . WETTER PRIORITIES.
PRIORITY TAKING CARE THE GROUNDS AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND USE TAXPAYER DOLLARS WERE BENEFICIAL TO US TO MAKE SURE OUR CELLS ARE PAID TO, ALWAYS PGOOD, THE JAIL AS WELL. REPRIORITIZE, PULL RESOURCES BACK AND CUT THAT FUNDING SOURCE FOR NOW.
WE WILL NOT KNOW AS WE GET FURTHER TO THE BUDGET YEAR OUT WITH A NEW JUDGE COMING IN, AS WE HAVE MORE INMATES.
THAT IS OUR INCREASE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION.
LOCKDOWN IN TOTAL BUDGET FOR CORRECTION DIVISIONS, PERSONAL SERVICES, INCREASE.E DISCUSSED THAT.HE DEPUTY SHERIFFS WORK IN JAIL. ALSO HAVE BOOKING SPECIALISTS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE JAIL, TOWERS, AND CONTROL AREAS THAT DO NOT MAKE THE $20 AN HOUR. OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE PAY UP SO THEY CAN LIVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
CAPITAL OUTLAY, OVERDUE. HOPEFULLY OFFSET BY SOME OF OUR CARES ACT FUNDING COMING BACK WORKING WITH JOE G AT THE EEOC.
BODY SCANNERS, OUR GOAL KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
NEW BODY SCANNERS AND TECHNOLOGY, LOOK AT THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN TO MAKE SURE NO CONTRABAND OR WEAPONS BEING BROUGHT INTO OUR JAIL. A VERY EXPERIENCED DIRECTOR IN CHARGE OF CORRECTIONS FACILITY. OPERATING ON A GREAT BUDGET.
CAME FROM MASSIVE BUDGET JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ASKING FOR THESE TOOLS TO MAKE OUR JAIL A BETTER PLACE, SERVE THE TIME, MAKE THEM BETTER PEOPLE AS THEY ENTER BACK INTO OUR SOCIETY. DEBT SERVICES, TALK ABOUT REVENUE SOURCE. REVENUE SOURCE DECREASES DECREASE IN WORK SQUADS FOR NOW.
BY THE NEXT TIME YOU SEE OUR BUDGET WE SHOULD HAVE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM THE MSD FOR THE REVENUE SOURCE.
ALSO REVENUE SOURCE FOR WORK SQUADS WHAT THE NEW JUDGE, HE OR SHE, WILL BREAK INTO THE JUDICIAL CENTER.
AGAIN, FOUR YEARS OUR BUDGET TRULY BROKEN NOW.
SECOND PART OF THE BUDGET.SE THE INCREASE IN BAILIFFS.
RESPOND TO A NEW JUDGE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, PROVIDING SECURITY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY JUDICIAL CENTER.
SOMETHING WERE OBLIGATED TO DO. ST. JOHN'S SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS CONTRACTED. OUR SENIOR JUDGE ADMINISTRATIVE JUDGE THAT THEY TERAWATTS OF THE SEVENTH CIRCUIT.
COMPLY WITH HIS WISHES. COME DOWN OPERATING EXPENSES.
AGAIN, SMALL BUDGET OVER THERE. FALL UNDER OUR CORRECTIONS DIVISION. HOWEVER, CONTROLLED SEPARATE LINE ITEM BUDGET UNDER THE BOC C. NEXT ONE DOWN, DECREASE AND INCREASE. DECREASE IS PERSONNEL SERVICES.
WE TOOK A SUPERVISOR FOR PERSONNEL SERVICES AND RECITE THAT SUPERVISOR TO OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER.
TOOK IT OFF OF E-911 SITE, SAVE MONEY, THAT MONEY WILL BE USED TO GIVE PAY INCREASES TO OUR E-911 PEOPLE AS THEY MOVE INTO THEIR NEW FACILITY. THESE ARE MY GOALS FOR YOU.
AS YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY BY DECREASING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I AM A HANDS-ON APPROACHABLE SHARE. DEMAND EXCELLENCE FOR A MENTOR AND WOMEN. WE HAVE DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB REDUCING CRIME IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
CONTINUE TO DO THAT BY USING MODERN TECHNOLOGY AND MODERN TECHNIQUES BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY MEETING WITH A GROUP OF 50 OTHER POLICE CHIEF SAID SHERIFFS ACROSS UNITED STATES. MY GROUP TOGETHER NEXT THREE DAYS. TALK ABOUT CRIME REDUCTION.
TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF EMPLOYEES.
SOMETHING THAT OTHER AGENTS LIKE SEATTLE, PORTLAND, LA TALK ABOUT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, PAVING THE ROAD TO LIVE IN A SAFE PLACE. HEREBY OTHER SHERIFFS, CHIEFS AND COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THEY DID HOMEWORK ON THE STAFF. IT IS THE MEN AND WOMEN DOING THIS JOB 24 HOURS A DAY. MAXIMIZE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT WITH OUR YOUTH, CONTINUE TO BATTLE BACK TO THE DAY AND NOW MONTAGUE SHERIFF. I'M A COACH.
ALSO, TOO. WE'RE GOING TO FUND THROUGH PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS COME TO OUR OWN JUVENILE ÃI DON'T WANT CALL BOOT CAMP, NOT BOOT CAMP.
JUVENILE SENTENCE AND SENTENCE ST. JOHN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, REBUILDER, PUT THEM BACK INTO SOCIETY AND MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL. I WANT TO LOWER CRIME.
LOWER CRIME IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
PHENOMENAL YEAR LAST YEAR, NOT OVER WITH.
ABOUT CRIME TO THE DOOR. A LOT OF CRIME TO SELL IN VOLUSIA. A LOT OF CRIME COMING UP FROM ORLANDO. THAT BEING SAID, BATTLE HUMAN TRAFFICKING N95. STARTED A SHIFT SINCE I BECAME A SHARE. FUNDING IS OUT THERE THROUGH HSI. WITH THAT BEING SAID, TAKE MANPOWER. TAKE THE BEST WHAT WOULD POSSIBLY HAVE TO GET ON 95 IT SHALL WE'RE NOT GOING TO
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TOLERATE CRIME IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.CHECK A MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
IF THERE'S NOT A DAY MY PHONE DOES NOT HAVE A STAFF PAGE IN THERE WITH A NONFATAL OR FATAL OVERDOSE SOMETHING IS WRONG.
VER THE WEEK WE HAD UPWARDS 7-8 NONFATAL OR FATAL OVERDOSES. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO STEP UP.
NO ONE ELSE WOULD STEP UP, ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS GOING TO PARTNER. MANY WOMEN PARTNER UP WITH SOME OF COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY HAVE A ROBUST SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM AND MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM.
LAST, RETRAINING QUALIFIED, BRAND-NEW EMPLOYEE FIVE YEAR OR 10 YEAR EMPLOYEE, START FROM GROUND ZERO EVERYTHING WE INVESTED HERE SHE ITS INVESTMENT.OUNTY TAXPAYER INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT. LAST, I WANT TO MAINTAIN THEIR EXPERIENCE, WITH THAT, PAY THEM GOODBYE TO GIVE THEM GREAT BENEFITS, GIVEN THE BEST EQUIPMENT POSSIBLE.
WORLIVE, PLAY ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
SATAN ST. JOHN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
BE PRIVILEGED TO DO THAT, COMES AN EXPENSE.
EXPENSES ASKING YOU MAINTAIN, INCREASE OUR BUDGET FOR BETTER PAY, PROVIDE THE BEST PROGRAMS AND EQUIPMENT WE CAN IN ST.
JOHN COUNTY'S JAIL. NO WAY WE CAN SUSTAIN THE CURRENT AMOUNT. WE ARE ADDING PERSONNEL, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH TIM FOR SOME, AND 10 DEPUTY SHERIFFS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. TAKE EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL ST.
JOHN'S PUBLIC SCHOOL, ONE DEPUTY SHERIFF IN THERE.
AGREEMENT BY THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, SPACE AGREEMENT BY THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT, SPACE 7070 PERCENT. SHERIFFS BACK IN 2016 OR 2017 FOR HERE WE ARE ALL THE SAME BUT AGAIN, PRODUCE 10 DEPUTY SHERIFFS AND STICK THEM IN SCHOOLS BY AUGUST, WHICH WE WANT TO DO. HOWEVER, ISSUES IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SORB AND STICK ADDITIONAL SHARES IN HIGH SCHOOL TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING PROACTIVE SELF AND NOT REACTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT UP THERE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE ALL FIVE OF MY DIRECTORS BEHIND ME.
INCREASE FOR ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OVER 6.5 PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL BUDGET. ACTUAL INCREASE OF $5.8 MILLION. I, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU, SHARE, GREAT PRESENTATION, APPRECIATE YOU BEING THERE ON GOING OVER EVERYTHING. ANY QUESTIONS?
MR. DEAN. >> THANKS, CHERYL FOR A VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. I HAD ONE QUESTION WHEN THEY WERE REVIEWED THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED INVOLVING THE SOFTWARE. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, LINE 8546, THE SOFTWARE IS INCREASING BY 140 PERCENT THIS YEAR. YOU MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON IT WITH RESPECT TO THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE JAIL SYSTEM NEEDED FOR SCANNING ETC. 140 PERCENT, THAT NUMBER SORT OF A JUMPED OUT AT ME. SOMEONE,
>> YES, SIR. >> IF I'M CORRECT WITH
INTERPRETATION. >> THE MAJOR INCREASE ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BROKEN DOWN LINE BY NINE, ESPECIALLY MASSIVE.HAT BREAKDOWN, $250,000 SOFTWARE UPDATES FOR OUR OFFICE AT 365, GO TO UNIFORMITY IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. INDIVIDUAL LICENSE IN OFFICE 365. ALSO MANDATORY UPDATES FOR OUR SMART COP SYSTEM. THIS ACTUALLY RUNS OUR COMPUTERS AND IN OUR CARS, CONTROLS MR. DEAN ENDED NEXT.
ALL OF OUR REPORTS, INFORMATION ON JAIL INFORMATION IN THERE.
MANDATORY UPDATES WE HAVE NOT DONE IN PAST YEARS.
NOW WE ARE DUE TO GO FORWARD. >> LET ME ADD, THE SHERIFF AND I SPOKE SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR ACROSS-THE-BOARD INCREASE FOR SALARIES FOR ENTRY-LEVEL DEPUTIES THAT I AGREE WITH THE SHERIFF THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE, AND WORK, AND RAISE A FAMILY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, NOT SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND DRIVE TO WORK. I SUPPORT THAT REQUEST FOR THE
RECORD. >> YES,SIR , IF I'VE MADE AND VICE CHAIR, CURRENTLY DEPUTY PAY IS $42,000.
COMPETE AGAINST JACKSONVILLE, SAINT AUGUSTINE INSTRUCTS IT.
START SETTING DOWN TO $46,000 IS THERE STARTING PAY.E HAVE TO COMPETE AGAINST PUTNAM COUNTY.
COMPETE AGAINST CLAY COUNTY, AND ANOTHER COUNTY.
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SHERIFFS ARE ALL MY FRIENDS, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.WITH TO BRING THE BEST QUALIFIED PEOPLE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THE WAY TO MARKET THAT, COME TO OUR COUNTY, BUT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I, WITH THIS INCREASE IN THIS AMOUNT IF YOU INCREASE OR APPROVE THIS BUDGET, INCREASE STARTING PAY FROM FROM 43,000-$45,000. THEY COULD STILL LIVE IN ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. IF THEY HAVE ANOTHER SPOUSE AND 2 INCOMES IT WORK. THEY CHOSE THIS PROFESSION.
BUT THIS IS THE BEST PLACE. ANOTHER THING I WOULD TO BRING A, TO MAKE A SHOPPER IS, NO ONE MEETING ON THE DIRTY WORK 9-1-1 -VACATIONS. 12 HOUR SHIFTS, ROTATE 56 DAYS.
NO ONE BEAT OUT THE DOOR. TALKING WITH HISTORIC CITY WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, MINIMAL STAFF.
CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE OR FIRE, WENT OVER TO FIRE AND RESCUE.HEY MAKE $39,000 YEAR, WITH THIS INCREASE, INCREASE THE PAY OF THE JESSE COMMUNICATION OPERATORS HOPEFULLY THEY CAN RECRUIT. RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOWN SIGNIFICANT. IT HAS TO OPERATE.
I DON'T WANT TO COMPETE AGAINST THAT.
HAND-IN-HAND, SIDE-BY-SIDE NOT HAVE MORE BENEFITS AND THE OTHER AS WE MOVE INTO BRAND-NEW FACILITY.
AS YOU KNOW, WITH INCREASE IN PAY, COMES MORE TAXES.
COMES OTHER BENEFITS, TOO THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF YOUR SLIDE WITH YOUR OPENING SLIDE? IT IS 1.25 JAPANESE PER 1000 RESIDENT?
>> YES, EVERY SWORN DEPUTY SHERIFF WHO WEARS A UNIFORM,
INCLUDES MYSELF CUT TO. >> INCLUDES OFFICERS IN SCHOOLS, EVERYBODY, BAILIFFS AT THE JAIL, WHAT IS FBI NATIONAL
AVERAGE? >> THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BAIL SPIRIT MINUS THE DEPUTY SHERIFFS, DEPUTY SHERIFFS THAT WORK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, INCLUDING MYSELF.
SOME OF THE BAILIFFS WOULD BE COVERED, SOME ARE CORRECTIONS, SOME ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT SPIRIT NATIONAL AVERAGE ALL OF THE MAP. NOT FAIR TO USE NUMBER.
LIKE I SAID, I'M CLOSE TO A LARGE SHARES IN FLORIDA.
I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT COME CLOSE TO THAT SHARE.
TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF POLICING IN HIS JURISDICTION MI.
AVERAGE 1.47, IS HIGHEST 1.62. >> OKAY.
A LITTLE BIT BELOW WHERE WE SHOULD BE.
>> MR. SURE, IF I MAY. TO ADD TO THE NEXT.
THE COUNTY HAS A LOT OF [INDISCERNIBLE] .> THAT IS WHAT WE COUNT AND NOW OUR POPULATION IS ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. I DON'T WANT TO ABUSE THE NUMBER TELL YOU I NEED TO BE A 1.65.
MIKEY IS WE KEEP CRIME REDUCE, KEEP VISIBILITY THERE, KEEP CHILL NUMBER SO, MOST IMPORTANT, WE CUT DOWN AN INCREASE PROGRAMS TO HELP PEOPLE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. I DO THE OTHER, BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE I DON'T WANT TO ABUSE THAT MR. CHAIR, EITHER
>> SURE. WE DO NOT WANT TO DOOR, RIGHT
BOX CORRECT. >> WHEN I CAME AND VISITED, TO HER. HOW MANY VEHICLES THAT YOU HAVE
IN YOUR FLEET? >> TOTAL FLEET, GOLF CARTS, MOTORCYCLES, ALL THE ABOVE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE FLEET,
UNDER 900. >> HOW MANY SERVICE SPACE TO
MAINTAIN FLEETS? >> CURRENTLY, MR. CHAIR, OPERATING OUT OF THE OLD POTATO STORAGE BIN.HERE WISE POTATO CHIP USED TO PUT THE RAW POTATOES BEHIND OUR CURRENT CHIP FACTORY BACK IN THE 80S. CURRENTLY OPERATING THAT WITH
APN HAVE. >> A DAY AND 1/2 TO SERVICE ALL THOSE VEHICLES?> YES, SIR, CONTRACTED SERVICES THROUGH CONTRACTS, AND OTHER DEALERSHIPS, HOWEVER WE DO MOST SERVICES INSTALLS OF LIGHTS IN THE ACTUAL POTATO BAY THAT YOU
SAW COST SUE. >> FROM OUR ARMY BACKGROUND MAKE SURE WE GET YOU MORE SERVICE CAPABILITY.
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KEEP VEHICLES GOING TO. >> YES, SIR.
>> DON'T WANT OUR CITIZENS TO SUFFER.OU VEHICLES THAT HE MAINTAINED. I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB ADDRESSING NEEDS AND HISTORIC CHALLENGES.
APPRECIATE YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
DO YOU WANT TO GO TO PUBLIC PSAFETY?
>> I KNOW COMMITTEE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHAT THE MEDIA IS PUTTING OUT ORANGE CRUSH FESTIVAL IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH AREA. WORKING WITH CHEAP FROM JACKSONVILLE POLICE, PD. PROVIDING AIR ASSETS TO THEM.
OORDINATORS CUT OFF COMMUNICATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. EVERYTHING FINDING OUT SURREAL GOING TO EVERY LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE THIS WEEKEND, OVER
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LEFT SHIFTS AND MAKE SURE CITIZENS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.WHAT THEM HAVE A GOOD TIME. A GET TOGETHER, FESTIVAL OR SOCIETY UNSOLD THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS. I GUARANTEE 99 PERCENT COMING HERE ENJOY THEMSELVES.
THE UNKNOWN IS WHAT WE WILL PREPARE FOR.
LET OUR COMMITTEE NOW. THE PRESENCE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THIS WEEKEND. HANNAH GREG CALLS FOR SERVICE, SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALL DAY FRIDAY ALL DAY SATURDAY, SUNDAY, MOST OF ACTIVITY, UNTIL 5:00-TALK IN THE MORNING.
>> CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 1, PROPERTY
APPRAISER ADD SHERIFFS. >> GOOD MORNING.
ED SLAVEN. UNFAIR TO COMMENT ON CONSTITUTIONAL BUDGETS ON THREE MINUTES.
THIS IS PROPOSED COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BUDGET.
DETAIL. LINE ITEM BUDGET., WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN ASKING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR YEARS.
NEVER GOT ONE. STILL NOT GOTTEN ONE.
THERE WAS ONE PAGE IN THE BCC BOOK, ONE PAGE ON ITEM 1.
BY JESSE DUNN. RESPONSE FROM PROPERTY OF APPRAISER'S OFFICE, NO RESPONSIVE DOCUMENT ON DETAILED LINE ITEM BUDGET. JOE BIDEN'S DADDY TOLD HIM YEARS AGO, SHOW ME YOUR BUDGET, SEE WHAT YOUR NUMBERS ARE.
COMMISSIONER SAYS A BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT.
WE STILL AWAIT DETAILS. FOR INSTANCE, IS THERE MONEY IN THIS BUDGET TO ADDRESS INTERNAL CONTROLS IN THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
B& WE NEED ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS CAN'T BE WITH THE SHERIFF AND SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS AND GET ANSWERS.
IF YOUR 2.5 DAY HELP OUT AT THE AG CENTER, ON THE BCC BUDGET.
THE VERY FIRST MORNING, MEMBER WHAT MR. CONRAD TOLD ME? I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, HE SAID.
THAT DOG WON'T HUNT. THAT IS UN-AMERICAN, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, DISRESPECTFUL, AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT RESOURCES ARE BEING DEDICATED IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO SOLVE THE MURDER OF MICHELLE O'CONNELL AND ANOTHER.
IT WAS PERSONAL TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND DOES NOT APPLY TO CHIEF SHERIFF HARDWICK, I WANT THOSE CRIMES SOLVED, NOW.
THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER?ES, SIR. NAME
AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> HI, JACK TO PUSH HIS
PREDICAMENT. >> YOU COULD JUST SPEAK, SIR,
>> I'M ROBERT ^ I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND THE SHERIFF FOR DETAILED, THOROUGH, BUDGET SUBMISSION.
I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY SUPPORT FOR THE BUDGET INCREASE, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ONE AGENCY IN THIS COUNTY THAT INTERACTS LITERALLY WITH EVERY CITIZEN.
I SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HAVEN'T GOT A SPEEDING TICKET FROM THEM. I DESERVE IT.
[LAUGHING] >> PLACEMENT VERY PROFESSOR, SUPPORT INCREASE IN BUDGET. NLY SUGGEST PERSONNEL COST DECREASE MORE.YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
IF WE DO NOT HAVE PROFESSIONAL, THOROUGH, COMPETENT POLICE FORCE, PROBLEMS WITHIN THE COUNTY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS DR.
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^ 109 KINGSPORT LANE, STATE AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA.FIRST OF ALL, WE DID LIKE TO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEDIA ON LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY. THANKS TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT WE FOUND OUT THAT OUR CRIME RATE IN THE COUNTY WAS DIMINISHED BY 20.7 PERCENT LAST YEAR, SIGNIFICANT.
TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY, I WOULD PROPOSE COMMISSION INCREASE STARTING SALARY SHARE START DEPARTMENT TO $50,000. SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE WHAT THE SHERIFF PROVIDE FOR HIS RECOMMENDATION.
HOWEVER, LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS OF RECRUITING NEW DEPUTIES FOR THE FUTURE. BASED UPON THE RISKS THEY FACE.
AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC MEDIA ASSAULTS ON LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSION. OKAY.
CONSEQUENTLY, IMPACT ACROSS THE BOARD.
I WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED TO A 5-10 PERCENT INCREASE OF ALL PERSONNEL SALARY BASED UPON THE RISK THEY FACE IN THE DEPARTMENT.
THIS INVESTMENT WILL HELP KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WHO WAS TO COME TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY KNOWING THIS WILL BE A PLACE FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY AND CHASE ALL CRIMINALS AWAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK
YOU FOR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU.
WHAT'S GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS WALLY FISHER, 10130 IN FLAGGER STATES, ROLE PART OF THIS COUNTY.
AND THE SHERIFF'S NEW BUDGET ALONG WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, IS CONCERNING ME ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
IT IS KEEPING US AND OUR CHILDREN SAFE.
NOW, I WORKED FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS WITH FIRE RESCUE. I KNOW SOME OF THE DANGERS OUT THERE, DOES NOT COMPARE AT ALL TO THE DANGER THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TODAY. APPROVE THEIR BUDGET.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER COMMENT ON ITEM 1, COMPLETES THE,.
>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. THANK YOU, SHERIFF.
>> I'M GOING TO ADD A QUICK, WHILE WE HAVE SHERIFF AND ALL FIVE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS HERE, THIS SORT OF IS SEPARATE FROM THE BEAN COUNTING AND SAFETY-KLEEN THE NUMBER 1 PRIORITY, THIS IS KIND OF ALMOST EMOTIONAL.
WHEN THEY HAD THE CELEBRATION OF LIFE FOR TRISTAN BAILEY, HER FATHER SPOKE VERY CLEARLY AND EMOTIONALLY ABOUT THE SUPPORT ALL OF YOU GAVE THAT FAMILY. IT WAS TOUCHING TO ME.
I FEEL COMPELLED TO THINK YOU GET BECAUSE THAT FAMILY AND THAT FAMILY LEANED HEAVILY ON EACH OF YOU AND MEN AND WOMEN.
THAT DID NOT GO UNNOTICED BY A LOT OF US.
[2. First Reading of a proposed ordinance that levies and imposes an additional one percent (1%) tourist development tax and amends, revises, and restates the County's Tourist Development Plan.]
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU, SHERIFF.
>>> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 NOW.
>> GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 2, LEVEES AND POSES ONE PERCENT TAX REVISES EVERY STATES THE COUNTY BUILDING PLAN. LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, REMINDER FOR EVERYONE, BACK IN MARCH, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS GAVE DIRECTION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION ON BOTH TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX AND THE USE OF REVENUE FROM THAT TAX IF IT WAS LEVIED. THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL MET AND DISCUSSED THAT PERCENT OF THE TAX ON MARCH 15 APRIL 19 AND MAY 17. OUT OF 3 MEETINGS SERIES OF
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RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD. FIRST WAS THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDS LEVYING THAT BETH SENT OF THE TAXPAYERS SUGGESTED IN REVIEW OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS. I WILL GO OVER THOSE MORE DETAIL IN COMING SLIDES. TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATION IF IT WAS SO LEVIED.IN REVIEW OF TOURIST, PLAN, A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS CAME OUT. THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL, MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE IS THAT A SUGGESTION TO MODIFY THE CATEGORY 5 OF OUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SETS OUT FIVE CATEGORIES, THE FIFTH CATEGORY IS CALLED TOURS AND ASSETS. A PRETTY WIDE REACHING CATEGORY. A WIDE DEFINITION.
THE SUGGESTION IS THAT WE CONSOLIDATE BEACH EXPENDITURES INTO THIS CATEGORY 5, RENAME IT BEACH ASSETS.
NARROW SCOPE OF CATEGORY 5 AND PULLED THE DEFINITION FOR CATEGORY 3, BEACH SERVICES AND BEACH RELATED SERVICES ARE THAT CATEGORY IF WE MOVE THEM TO FIVE.
WE SEE THAT TYING INTO THIS OVERARCHING MODIFICATION TO THE CATEGORIES THAT THERE WOULD BE A SUGGESTION CHANGE TO THAT CATEGORY 3 LANGUAGE AS WELL. REMOVE BEACH LANGUAGE EXPENDITURE FROM THAT CATEGORY. EXPAND DEFINITION JUST TO CLARIFY THAT CATEGORY 3 INCLUDES EXPENDITURES FOR THINGS LIKE BOAT RAMPS, PER CAPITA IMPROVEMENTS, AND PEERS IN THE COUNTY. AT THE MOMENT, ALLOWABLE USES OF RESPONDENT, TDC MAKE SURE WE CLARIFIED THE DEFINITION TO CITE THOSE SPECIFICALLY.THE NEXT MODIFICATION WAS TO MODIFY THE DEFINITION OF CATEGORY 4, WHICH IS ADMIN AND SPECIAL USES. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR ADDED CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THIS CATEGORY CAN BE USED FOR.
WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE OR TDC SUGGESTED ADDING LANGUAGE OF PUBLIC FACILITIES PRECLUDE PROJECTS SUCH AS PARKING, TRANSPORTATION, MANAGEMENT. PARKING FACILITIES IS SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED IN FLORIDA STATUTE.
ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE WAS MORE OR LESS FROM THE COPY AND PASTE FROM THE STATUTE.
WE MAY DEMONSTRATED CHANGES TO THE PLAN TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH TODAY'S REALITY BY REMOVING CONVENTION CENTER SERVICE LANGUAGE AND UPDATING AMPHITHEATER DEBT SERVICE LANGUAGE. MOVING ON TDC SUGGESTED ALLOCATING THE PENNIES, THE FIVE PENNIES.
WHAT WE SAW WAS, THEY FIRST SUGGESTED THAT WE RESTORE THE PRE-2019 ALLOCATION VALUES FOR CATEGORIES 1-4.
BRINGS UP CATEGORY 1'S ALLOCATION EIGHT CENTS.
CATEGORY 2 UP .6 CENTS. LOOK AT THIS TABLE, AN ASTERISK BY CATEGORY 3 AND CATEGORY 5 THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF SUGGESTED CHANGES TO THOSE DEFINITIONS. NOW, LOOK AT THIS TABLE, CATEGORY 3 INCLUDES ONLY PARKS AND LEISURE, RECREATION EXPENDITURES. DOES NOT INCLUDE BEACH EXPENDITURES. THAT CATEGORY INCREASED SIX PERCENT 2.3 PENNIES. FOR WILL SEE A TOTAL OF 1.3 PENNIES, CATEGORY RY 5, WHICH IS NOW ONLY BEACH EXPENDITURES, ALLOCATION OF ONE PENNIES. EACH BELOW THE PENNY ALLOCATIONS, OF THE FIVE PENNIES THAT GOES TO EACH CATEGORY. AS A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM, WE ARE EXPECTING THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 22 EACH PENNY OF THAT TAX WILL GENERATE APPROXIMATELY $3 MILLION IN REVENUE.THIS AS AN EXPANDED BOOK AT THE TAX AND WHAT HAS BEEN AND TO THE TDT RECOMMENDATION. THE LINE HIGHLIGHTED NO, TDC RECOMMENDED ALLOCATION, SAME INFORMATION IN THE PREVIOUS TABLE. WE ADDED ROWS HERE, STARTING AT THE TOP OECS PRE-2019 ALLOCATION TO EACH ONE OF THE CATEGORIES. AS A NOTE, THIS TABLE HAS BEEN MODIFIED FOR CATEGORY 3 AND CATEGORY 5 TO BRING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH TDC'S RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE
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PLAN. WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES HERE THROUGHOUT TIME. LOOK AT PRE-2019 REALLOCATION.IT HAD 1.8 PENNIES, JUMPED OUT TO THE YELLOW ROW, AND IS BROUGHT BACK UP TO 1.8. CATEGORY 2.6 PENNIES, BROUGHT BACK UP TO .6 PENNIES IN A YELLOW ROW.
CATEGORY 3 HAD .2 PENNIES, TDC RECOMMENDATION IT HAS .3 PENNIES. CATEGORY 4 PREVIOUSLY HAD ONE PENNY BEFORE ALLOCATION, WITH TDC RECOMMENDATION IT INCREASES 1.3. THEN CATEGORY 5, AGAIN ONLY BEACH EXPENDITURES IN THIS TABLE PREVIOUSLY HAD .4 PENNIES, NOW IT WOULD HAVE ONE PENNY.
AS A NOTE ON CATEGORY 5, IF YOU JUMP UP ONE MIND TO CURRENT ALLOCATIONS, YOU WILL SEE THAT EACH EXPENDITURE DOES NOT CHANGE WITH THE TDC RECOMMENDATION.
LAST LINE ON THE TABLE SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND WHAT WE HAVE WITH TDC RECOMMENDATION.
YOU CAN SEE 30 PERCENT INCREASE, NOT 30 PERCENT.
I APOLOGIZE. 30 PERCENT OF THE FIFTH PENNY ALLOCATED TO CATEGORY 1, 10 PERCENT CATEGORY 2. 10 PERCENT ALLOCATED CATEGORY 3. THEN ALLOCATED TO CATEGORY 4.
HERE AS AN ILLUSTRATION TO PUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THE DATA PUT IN THAT TABLE. WE PROCESS THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
THE SAME INFORMATION, HIGHLIGHTS THE CHANGES OF TDC ALLOCATIONS. BLUE COLUMNS PRE-2019.
THE GREAT COLUMN ALLOCATIONS AS HAD BEEN SUGGESTED BY TDC.
BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TODAY ARE THREE DIFFERENT DECISION POINTS. THE FIRST, THE ÃTAX.
THE SECOND PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS OR ADDITIONAL MODIFICATIONS TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THEN IF THE FIFTH PENNY IS LEVIED, THIRD POINT OF CONSIDERATION IS ALLOCATION OF THE REVENUE FOR THAT.
THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
>> OKAY, ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD?
COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> TERA, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. CAN YOU PULL THE LAST LIE? WHAT IS THE LAST ONE, MODIFYING TOURIST ABOUT HIM PLAN.
>> IT WOULD BE CHANGES TO THE CATEGORIES, IF WE CONSOLIDATE BEACH EXPENDITURES TO CATEGORY 5, THAT WOULD BE THE MODIFICATION. MODIFYING ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS TO EXPAND OR RETRACT THEM ACCORDINGLY.
>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT SAID, I SORT OF LIKE, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN START THE DISCUSSION.
>> PLEASE. >> WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE ON THE PROPOSED INCREASE OF ONE PERCENT IN TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX. IN RECALLING THIS DISCUSSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SEVERAL OF US DISCUSSED THIS IN DEPTH AND BROUGHT THE ISSUE TO THE BOARD. THAT FAILED ON A 3-TO BOW, IT REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY. WITH THAT SAID, IS ONE COMMISSIONER, WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, I REALLY SAW WE HAD ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECT.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO REALLOCATION UP TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX AT THAT TIME. TO MOVE ÃPROJECT WITH THAT TAX REVENUE. THE REMAINING GAP, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. IN MY OPINION, THE PONTE VEDRA BEACH, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BREVARD COUNTY, ADEQUATE BEACH RADAR JUDGMENT PROJECTS IN EACH COUNTY.
FOR THAT GAP, 7-8 MILES THAT REFLECTS PONTE VEDRA BEACH.
ARTICLE EROSION DURING MATTHEW AND IRMA.
MY HOPE WAS AND STILL IS THAT WE CAN DO A SIMILAR PROJECT,
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AND CRITICALLY ERODED WAS SAWGRASS.WITH THAT SAID, MY INTENT WAS AND IT IS AGAIN TODAY, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONE CENT INCREASE, BUT I HAVE A SUGGESTED ALLOCATION. I DON'T HAVE AN OVERHEAD TO SHOW YOU. BUT WE COULD SORT OF FREEHAND DRAW ONE IF NECESSARY. IT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WITH THE ONE SET INCREASE, 3 MILLION A YEAR, PUT 60 PERCENT TOWARD BEACH RADAR JUDGMENT THAT WOULD BE EARMARKED FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACH, 8.1 MILLION A YEAR,'S 60 PERCENT FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACH NOURISHMENT.
20 PERCENT MARKETING, WHICH WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 600,000 OF THE 3 MILLION. 20 PERCENT CATEGORY 3 WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BEACH IMPROVEMEN , WATERWAY IMPROVEMENT, SUCH AS BOAT RAMPS. ALLOCATION I WOULD PROPOSE IF WE GO FORWARD IS 60 PERCENT, 20 PERCENT, 20 PERCENT.
60 PERCENT BEACH NOURISHMENT. 20 PERCENT MARKETING.
20 PERCENT IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS BOAT RAMPS.
WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD WITH AN INCREASE IN TAX FROM 4- TO FIVE CENTS.
ANOTHER COUNTY IS AT FIVE CENTS.
WITH THAT, CHAIRMAN, OFFIT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
>> I APPRECIATE. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT 60 PERCENT BEACH COASTAL CATEGORY, 1.8 MILLION.
AT THE ESTIMATED 3 MILLION. MARKETING 20 PERCENT, APPROXIMATELY 600,000. RAMP, REGRESSION, COSO PROJECTS, 20 PERCENT AT 600,000, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YEAH. CATEGORY 5 READ NOURISHMENT.
ATEGORY 3 VOTING IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER ASSETS.
AND 1 OVER CATEGORY 1. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM
THE ARD. >> WHY DON'T WE OPEN THE PUBLIC, AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY.
>> >> OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2, PROPOSED ONE SET INCREASE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, KNOWN AS A BED TAX.
TAKE IT TO FIVE CENTS. YES, SIR.
ROBERT ÃPONTE VEDRA BEACH. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS, SIR.
THE ALLOCATION IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN I DO. I WAS SUGGEST THE FIRST CATEGORY OF 1.8, WE ARE CURRENTLY GROWING FASTER THAN ANY OTHER COUNTY IN THE STATE. APPEAL TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PUTTING SO MUCH INTO MARKETING AT THIS JUNCTURE.
OBVIOUSLY BUDGETS ADJUSTED YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON DEMAND, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD OFFER MY SUPPORT TO THE IDEA OF PUTTING MORE INTO BEACH NOURISHMENT. NORTHEAST FLORIDA IS GROWING LIKE CRAZY RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE TO MARKET MUCH TO TRY TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH IN THIS COUNTY.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER DEAN.
I FULLY SUPPORT THAT IN GENERAL.
>> COMMISSIONERS, DALE WENDELL FROM PONTE VEDRA BEACH.
MR. DEAN, THANK YOU. I BROUGHT AN ARTICLE HERE.
POINT OUT HOW WE GOT THE SWAMP ORIGINALLY.
OCTOBER 11, 2018. WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING IT FOR A YEAR BEFORE THAT. FINALLY AROUND TO THE POINT WHERE GOT APPROVED, THANK YOU. I THINK THIS GROUP HERE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS.
VERY SIMPLE. YOU DON'T NEED TOURIST DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE A BEACH. VERY SIMPLE.
WE GOT IN HERE, THIS IS ONE REASON THIS GOT PAST ONE PERCENT WAS BECAUSE OF THE REFERRED OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH WAS NEEDED. THE FEMA PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED. NEGOTIATE WITH THE JESSE TO, AND NEGOTIATE. OR WE WILL NOT HAVE A BEACH.
>> GOOD MORNING. ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084, I HARDLY SUPPORT AND ENDORSE VICE CHAIRMAN DEAN'S MOTION.
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TOURIST TO COME HERE, DEMAND FOR TOURISM HERE IS ELASTIC.WE HAD ECONOMISTS LAST TIME VOTE TAKEN TO EXPLAIN ONE OF COMMISSIONERS THE ELASTIC OF CURVES, WE WOULD'VE PASSED THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT EVENTUALLY GO UP TO SIX PERCENT LIKE OTHER COUNTIES HAVE.
IT IS PAID ALL LIKE NONRESIDENTS, ALL BY TOURISTS.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THOSE BEACHES.
IN CONSULTATION WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WORK TOWARD STATE AUGUSTINE HISTORICAL PARK AND SEIZURE, PRESERVE EACH IS FOR EVER AND AND SHORE 140,000 ACRES GOVERNMENT OWNED LAND IN TWO COUNTIES HALF OF WHICH VICE CHAIRMAN DEAN AND DELAY Ã ACQUIRED FOR THE WATER DISTRICT. I SUPPORT THE MOTION.HANK
HI, SHERRY BADGER, 2772 S. COLLINS NS AVENUE.
I AM AGAINST HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, TIME FLIES.
ONCE AGAIN, THE CITY OF STATE AUGUSTINE GOT THEIR HEAD OUT ASKING FOR MONEY FOR COMMERCIALS ON TV.
THIS IS A HISTORY WITH THEM. REMEMBER THE $5 MILLION THEY ARE A BIRTHDAY PARTY FIVE YEARS AWAY? YOU ALL NEED TO RELATE GET TOUGH WITH THESE PEOPLE.
LAST TIME YOU TOLD ME, THEY ARE GOING TO PAY THE MONEY BACK.
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE MONEY BACK.
HAVE THEY PAID THE MONEY BACK THEY BORROWED THE SUPPOSEDLY LAST YEAR WHEN THINGS WERE IN IT BACKWARDS? I AM AGAINST YOU ALL GIVING MORE MONEY TO THEM.
THANK YOU. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
I AM DANNY Ã712 MILLSTREAM ROAD IN PONTE VEDRA.
ADDRESSING TODAY AS MEMBER OF TDC.
LET ME FIRST SAY THAT TERA GIVEN TO EXACTLY RIGHT, IT TOOK 3 OR 4 MEETINGS IN MULTIPL HOURS TO REACH.
MUCH TO HER CREDIT SHE COULD CONSOLIDATE IT DOWN THAT WAY.
WHAT SHE DID NOT MENTION THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF NEGOTIATIONBY THE TDC.
WE CAME TO A CONSENSUS IN THE END AFTER 3 OR 4 MEETINGS MANY HOURS , AS I SAID. WE PROPOSE THE BUDGET AS SHE PRESENTED TO QUITE ACCURATELY BECAUSE ALL KINDS OF CONSIDERATIONS . COMMISSIONER DEAN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE SHORELINE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WE DON'T WANT TO KILL THE GOOSE THAT LAYS THE GOLDEN EGG. THE TOURISM BUDGET SUPPORTS ALL OF THIS. THAT FIFTH CENT WE HAVE ENDORSED TO YOU AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL PASS, WILL INCREASE OUR CAPABILITIES BUT WE WANT TO USE THAT MONEY TO RESTORE THE MARKETING BUDGET. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR INCREASES, ASKING FOR RESTORATION.
SIMPLE THING IS THIS, AS WE BRING IN MORE TOURISTS, WE WILL GET MORE MONEY FROM THEM. WHAT YOU'VE HEARD HERE TODAY, THIS IS NOT TAX MONEY FROM LOCAL RESIDENTS, TAX MONEY FROM PEOPLE THAT COME IN. THE MORE THAT WE GET, THE MORE TOURISTS WE CAN DEMONSTRATE WE GET AND THE MORE MONEY WE WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE. RECOGNIZE THAT THIS WAS CONSOLIDATED OPINION NEGOTIATED IN TDC AND SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME ON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
YOUR EFFORTS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
THAT ANGELA, 1283 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR AFTER READING ORDINANCES FOR CHANGING CATEGORIES. IF YOU CHANGE CATEGORIES TO INFRASTRUCTURE, IT IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO DO 40 PERCENT MANDATORY ADVERTISING. IF YOU DON'T CHANGE CATEGORIES, IT IS NOT. TERA, I HOPE YOU LEFT THAT PART OUT BY MISTAKE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT YOU DON'T JUST HAPHAZARDLY TO THE CATEGORIES BECAUSE IT CAN CHANGE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AND INTERPRETED.
FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A MUSEUM OR ANY KIND OF VENUE IN VENUE 1,
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DOES THAT COUNT FOR 40 PERCENT. BUT YOU START PUTTING PARKING GARAGES OR START PUTTING ANY KIND OF SEWAGE, ANY KIND OF TRANSPORTATION, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE.ONCE YOU START SPENDING IT ON THAT, AND FORCED TO 40 PERCENT ADVERTISING. IT TIES YOUR HAND.
BE CAREFUL HOW YOU'RE GOING TO CATEGORIZE THINGS.
IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THANK YOU.
>> ZINKE. FURTHER PUBLIC LIC COMMENT?
>> I WANT TO SHOW THIS, IF THEY CAN TURN THE OVERHEAD ON.
I'M PRETTY SURE A LOT OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS.
I AM ELATED, FROM ÃPONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
SEPTEMBER 20, 2020, EIGHT HOUSES SOUTH OF PONTE VEDRA CLUB. I WANT TO SAY, I FEEL THE PICTURE SHOULD SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS.
IF WE DO NOT TAKE CARE OF OUR BEACHES, A, SHERIFF HARDWICK'S PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THERE FOR DEVASTATING OCCURRENCES THAT HAPPEN AT THE BEACH.
NUMBER 2, THE BUDGET TERA TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDED BY THE TDC, LOOK AT 36 PERCENT INCREASE PER MARKETING, WHICH WE ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE FIFTH CENT TO PROTECT OUR BEACHES, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TOURISM THAT IS COMING TO OUR BEACHES. IF WE DO NOT HAVE BEACHES, THAT IS THE NUMBER 1 THING TOURISTS COME TWO FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY FOR MARKETING DOWN IN SAINT AUGUSTINE AND 0 PERCENT INCREASE OVERALL WHEN YOU SEE THE FIFTH CENT COMING IN WE ARE GOING TO GET ZERO PERCENT? I WAS JUST TALKING TO CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD YESTERDAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS FIFTH CENT.
HOW WE SHOULD BE TAKING THAT FIFTH CENT, IF WE'RE NOT SPEAKING TODAY, GREAT. WE DON'T SPEND TODAY, AT LEAST WE HAVE A FUND FOR A RAINY DAY. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN OUR BEACHES WASH AWAY? YOU THINK TOURISTS ARE GOING TO COME? YOU CAN MARKET THE HECK OUT OF IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BEACH FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO, NUMBER 1 THING PEOPLE COME TO IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS A TOURIST. AS ZERO PERCENT, YOU CAN MARKET THE HECK OUT OF IT. IF YOU ON'T HAVE SOMETHING TO MARKET, NOBODY'S GOING TO COME. YOU CAN FIFTH CENT TAX AT ALL THEY LOCK. BUT IF YOU HAVE ZERO INCOME COMMAND, ZERO TAX COMING IN THEY HAD THEIR HANDS OUT, THEY GOT HUGE AMOUNT OF THE FOURTH SET, WE SAID OKAY, WE WILL TOUCH UP NEARLY BELOW. LET US HAVE THE FIFTH CENT.
I'M SORRY, MR. LEE, I DON'T AGREE ANYTHING GOING TO MARKETING.ALL THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO PROTECTING OUR BEACHES. OF ALL THE COUNTY, NOT JUST PONTE VEDRA, NORTH, SOUTH, WHATEVER.
IT SHOULD BE THE WHOLE ENTIRE COUNTY.
PROTECT OUR BEACHES. WE ARE HERE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE PROTECT OUR BEACHES. WE HAVE LOST 120+ FEET OF OUR BEACHES SINCE 1970. DO THE RIGHT THING, WE NOURISH OUR BEACHES, TAKE CARE OF IT. ONGOING PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR LONG-TERM.
I AM SAYING IN MY OPINION, THE WHOLE FIFTH CENT SHOULD GO TOWARD BEACHES' REMARRIAGE MET. IF WE DON'T SPEND, WE HAVE THE FUNDING FOR WHATEVER EMERGENCY. WE KNOW THERE ARE MORE HURRICANES AND THEY ARE STRONGER.
OUR BEACHES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET BETTER.
WE'RE GOING TO NEED THEM. >> THANK YOU, MAMA.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING.
>> MY NAME IS NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 ÃI VISIT PONTE VEDRA FRIDAY, FAST, DEEP, VERY WIENERS.
MY HUSBAND SAYS HOW CAN OUR BEACH BE SO INFERIOR WHEN YOU CONSIDER TAX BASE? ? GOOD QUESTION. HIGHEST MEDIAN INCOME IN THE STATE. IT IS PAINFUL TO WALK BAREFOOT PONTE VEDRA TIED TO TOURISM DOLLARS.
HOME VALUES, SCHOOL FUNDING, TIED TO BUSINESSES IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. A CONSULTANT HIRED BY THE COUNTY TELLS US AFFLUENT VISITORS WHO SPEND THE MOST MONEY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LIKE TO STAY IN "FABULOUS LUXURY
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LODGING IN PONTE VEDRA." HER WORDS.IT WAS A SANDY WHITE BEACH, MAINTAIN ONE PENNY TAX INCREASE. RIPPLE EFFECT ALL THE WAY THE BUSINESSES IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. NO-BRAINER BIG SPENDING EFFLUENT TOURISTS EVENTUALLY GO ELSEWHERE.
LIKELY ALREADY HAVE BEGUN TO DO SO.
HERE'S WHAT IS BEING SAID ON TRIPADVISOR.COM.
NARROW BEACH, NO THANKS. THIS DOES NOT IT SLANTS TOO QUICKLY INTO THE WATER. LITTLE BEACH AREA HIGH TIDE, POOR REVIEW. AS A HOME BUYER NEAR ÃBEACH, I AM VERY UNHAPPY MANY OF US ARE. MAIN REASON HUSBAND I PURCHASE THAT HOUSE WAS PROXIMITY TO THE BEACH.
ONE PERCENT BED TAX AND ADVERTISING SAINT AUGUSTINE NEEDS NOT BEACH NOURISHMENT. AS A FORMER VP OF A NEW YORK AD AGENCY, NEVER BE STOPPED ASKED FOR MORE MARKETING.
CONSIDER WORDS OF ADVERTISING BUDGET, A GREAT AD CAMPAIGN MAKE A BAD PRODUCT FAIL FASTER. RIGHT NOW PONTE VEDRA IS A BAD PRODUCT. IT WAS NOT ALWAYS, MY FAMILY VISITED PONTE VEDRA EVERY YEAR SINCE ITS, DID NOT LOOK LIKE WHAT DOES NOW.ORD ABSTRACT STREET YOUR PRODUCTS NO GOOD, TOUGH TO CHANGE PERCEPTION PERCEPTION.
THE THEME OF OUR FUTURE ADVERTISING WILL BE, PLEASE COME BACK. THAT IS NEVER AN AD CAMPAIGN YOU'D WANT TO HAVE TO RUN. PONTE VEDRA UGLY SEAWALLS AND GEO TUBES DIRECTLY LINK TO BEACH NOURISHMENT.
15 FOOT AND EXPOSED GEO TWO. WHILE WORST CO2 EROSION WORLDWIDE SINCE THE AFFECT OF GEO TUBES.
THERE IS THE AD CAMPAIGN, WORST OF THE BRAWL FOR SIX MONTHS.
EARMARKED BAD PENNY TAX, FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACHES.
OUR ECONOMY DEPENDS ON.HANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT GOING ONCE.
>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC.
MY NAME IS ROGER MENTZ. I LIVE 952 SPINNAKER REACH DRIVE ACT PONTE VEDRA BEACH. I HAVE BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO OVERLAY THE POINT THAT WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE BEACH IN NORTHERN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. IT HAS GOT TO BE SOLVED.
OTHERWISE, AS WE HAVE HEARD YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE EVERYTHING. OF COURSE, NORTHERN PART OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH, IT WENT THROUGH SOME ROUGH TIMES.
NOT JUST MATTHEW AND IRMA, BUT PWE GET NOR'EASTER'S AMAZING FREQUENCY. ANYWAY, IT IS A PROBLEM.
HOW DO WE SOLVE IT? WELL, WE NOW MONEY IS ALWAYS TIGHT. THAT IS A GIVEN.
BUT WE KNOW THAT FEMA IS PROPOSING TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WOULD AUGMENT THE BERM OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH.
THE BERM IS THE DOOM, BASICALLY.
THAT WOULD INVOLVE MONEY FROM FEMA.
MONEY FROM THE STATE. YOU PROBABLY SAW THAT THE GOVERNOR DID NOT POCKET VETO THE 3.5 MILLION FOR THE BERM.
SPECIFICALLY THE BERM AGAIN. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY COMMISSIONERS GOVERNMENT HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME BUCKS. I HAVE NO IDEA THE AMOUNT COMING OUT OF 5 PERCENT TAX, HOW THAT WOULD WORK ALLOCATING AROUND. WHETHER THAT IS WE NEED MORE THAN THAT OR HOWEVER IT WORKS. BUT HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE, IT DOES NOT MATTER. MONEY IS EXPENDABLE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OBLIGATION PUT UPON YOU, I THINK, VERY LIKELY.HEN THAT HAPPENS, FEMA STARTS THE MOVIE TALK ABOUT PROBABLY THE LAST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR.
IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT.
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EVERYBODY IS UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.WE ARE UNHAPPY THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
FEMA, GOD BLESS HIM, TAKING THE LEAD.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE PIPER EITHER WITH BED TAX ALLOCATION OR OUT OF GENERAL REVENUES.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. ALL THE BEST.
>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? YES, SIR.
>> GOOD MORNING, JASON KERN, GENERAL MANAGER SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH PEER SUPPORT INCREASE OF BED TAX, PENNY BED TAX INCREASE PER HOWEVER, WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE ALLOCATIONS THE TDC RECOMMENDED ARE WITH MARKETING STAYS IN PLACE.
REASON FOR THAT, DESTINATION CONTINUALLY CHANGES AND EXPANDS. WE ARE MARKETING MORE OF THE BEACHES THAT A LOT THAN BEFORE. DOWN TO PRESENT BEACH, PONTE VEDRA. AND I WAS AT THE GULF RESORTS.
PEOPLE HERE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OUR GUESTS TO COME BACK FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. NOT JUST HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE ALL HAVE STATE AUGUSTINE'S STORY.
I CAME IN FIFTH GRADE FOR MY GREAT FILTER.
HISTORIC DISTRICT CAME BACK PARENTS VACATION CAME BACK AS A COLLEGE STUDENT FOR THE SURF CONTEST.
EXPLORE AS A YOUNG ADULT. DRAMATIC DESTINATION.
FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. I DID NOT COME BACK FOR THE SAME THING A TIME. OUR GUESTS NEED TO KNOW THAT, TOO.
NOT JUST A BEACH DESTINATION, STORY.
ALL THESE GREAT THINGS TO DO HERE FOR LOTS OF REASONS TO COME BACK. ONCE PEOPLE COME BACK, COME BACK FOR SOMETHING ELSE. ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.
OUR CUSTOMERS NEEDED THEM. WE AS RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, BUSINESSES UNDERSTAND THAT. WE LOVE OUR AREA.
IF WE CAN'T GET THE WORD OUT MORE THAN JUST THESE THINGS EVERYONE HAS CEMENTED, WE WILL LOSE MARKET SHARE FOR WAY MORE AGGRESSIVE THAN WE ARE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 2? PENNY INCREASE.
>> MARK ANSELL, MARK ANSELL, 1283 CAP BOULEVARD.
DEFINITELY ACHILLES' HEEL FOR THE COUNTY.
IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION, I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS CAN HELP US RESOLVE THIS DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS NOWN AS COMMISSIONERS WITH THIS HISTORY.
OF NOT SAVING THE BEACHES. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
IRVING CASS, 87 GARRISON DRIVE, FORMER CHAIR OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT TROUBLESOME FOR MYSELF JUST LOOKING AT HOW WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS. I THINK WE MADE THIS SITUATION.
AND EVERYONE WHO SPOKE IN TODAY HAS GREAT CAUSES, GREAT REASONS TO LOOK FOR THE MONEY. I REALLY DO NOT THINK THERE IS ENOUGH MONEY EVEN IF ALL FIVE PENNIES WENT FROM THE BED TAX TO REALLY SOLVE THE BEACHES. AS A VERY COMPELLING ARGUMENT, I THINK WE ARE MAKING BIG MISTAKES AND BRUSHING WAY TOO FAST ON FIFTH SENT. WE SEE IT, WE'RE RUSHING, A PROBLEM IN FRONT OF US, TRYING TO SOLVE IT. THINK LONG-TERM WE WOULD BE MAKING A FISCAL UNPRINTED DECISION BY RUSHING IN FOR THIS. I LOOK AT THE FIFTH SENT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ACTIVITIES, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF IT IS SMARTLY APPLIED.
ONE OF THE OVERRIDING GOALS OF THIS COUNTY, IS REALLY MAKE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MORE VIABLE, CHANGE TAX BASE SO WE HAVE MORE CORPORATE CLIENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
I THINK WE ARE BEING VERY NEARSIGHTED NOT UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF THAT FIFTH SENT AND WHERE CAN DRIVE THE COUNTY IN 5 OR 10 YEARS. I ASK YOU TO BE REALLY SMART AND NOT TAKE IT AS A POLITICAL SITUATION BECAUSE OF WHAT I
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HAVE HEARD, BITS AND PIECES OF EVERYONE'S POINT OF VIEW.PERSONAL PET PRODUCTS VERSUS WHAT IS A PLANET BEST OF ALL CITIZENS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
I WOULD IMPLORE EVERYONE TO REALLY THINK IN A MACRO SENSE AND MAKE SURE NOT ONLY PHYSICAL PRUDENT, MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR SITUATIONS THAT MAY COME FROM THINGS WE HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO MAYBE TAKE A DEEP BREATH.F IT WAS MY VOTE I WOULD TABLE THE FIFTH SENT UNTIL WE HAVE A NICE LONG-TERM PLAN OF WHAT IS THE SMARTEST WAY TO SPEND THE MONEY.
AS A TEAM MEMBER OF THE INDUSTRY, I SUPPORT THE DECISION OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, IF I WAS ON THE COUNCIL STILL, I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR, I WOULD PUSH TO LOOK MORE LONG-TERM AND DO THE SMARTEST THINGS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
MORE PUBLIC COMMENT, ITEM 2. YES, SIR IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK ABOUT ASK YOU PLEASED TO COME UP AND BE AVAILABLE RIGHT AWAY SO WE CAN MOVE AHEAD.
WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA TODAY. THE FASTER WE GET PUBLIC, THE QUICKER EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE DAY. ANYONE ELSE PLEASE,.
YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> DAVID ANSELL 2999 FIRST STREET SOUTH. I USED TO IVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ON THE BEACH IN THAT AREA.
I MOVED TO JACKSONVILLE BEACH. THE BEACH IS FAR MORE SUPERIOR OVER THERE. ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND EVERYONE I KNOW WHAT YOU GO OVER THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH BETTER.
THE BEACH RESTORATION PROGRAM OVER THERE IS SO GOOD.
EVERYONE THERE IS SO HAPPY TO BE THAT BEACH OVER THE ONE IN MY COLORS, FOR INSTANCE, OR SAWGRASS.
I AM ALSO A BIG RUNNER. TWO WEEKS AGO I RAN MY MILES MICHAEL OR EL OR TO JACK'S PEECH.
NOT ENOUGH BEACH FOR ME TO RUN, HIGH TIDE, SO FRUSTRATING.
ONCE I MADE IT TO JACK'S SPEECH IT WAS FINE.
I BELIEVE THAT THE BEACH NOURISHMENT IS SO IMPORTANT.
I AM A VERY FIRM ADVOCATE TOWARD IT.HANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR IS THAT COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT. LAST CALL.
GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO SPEAK AFTER, THIS SPEAKER COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND STANDBY.HANK YOU. LAST ALL.
>> I WILL SPEAK AFTER MR. LDMAN.
>> RICHARD GOLDMAN WITH VISITORS AND CONVENTION BUREAU.
I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS NINE MY INTENTION TO SPEAK.
I WILL DO WHATEVER BJ ASKS ME TO O.
ONE OF THE THINGS FROM AN INFORMATION STANDPOINT THAT WE ALL NEED TO KEEP IN CONSIDERATION IS THAT THE IDEA OF MACON SURE THE BED TAX, WHICH GROWS AND SHRINKS WITH THE VISITATION IS SOMETHING THAT IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMAND, WHICH IS GENERATED BY THE MARKETING.
IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE MONEY FOR BOAT RAMPS AND D NOURISHMENT FOR BEACH, THE FLOW OW OF VISITORS AND THE PRICE THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY IS MAINTAINED.
WE HAVE NEW HOTELS COMING ONLINE.
THEY WILL NOT FAIL THEMSELVES. WE KNOW THAT TO BE THE CASE IF WE JUST TIE THE SPENDING WITH THE INCREASE IN VISITATION AND THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THE VISITORS AND CONVENTION BUREAU PROVIDES. WE THINK THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. IF IN GARRETT 2, 3, 4, 5, WE
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WANT TO HAVE ADEQUATE DOLLARS FOR BEACHES COMING OUT OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MAINTAINING THE DEMAND FOR THOSE VISITORS TO COME AND GIVE US THEIR TAX DOLLARS. THAT IS CONSIDERATION I WANT YOU TO KEEP IN MIND AT TOP OF MIND IN THE PROCESS.>> MR. RICHARD, COMMENTS MADE THAT THERE IS MORE ADVERTISING IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT?
>> YEAH, WE DO NOT PREFER ANY END OF THE COUNTY TO ANOTHER.
WE MARKET THE ENTIRE DESTINATION.
THE FACT THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CREATE PUBLICITY IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. LET'S NOT FORGET THAT THE PLAYERS CHAMPIONSHIP IS THE SINGLE LARGEST GENERATOR OF PUBLICITY ARTICLES OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAN ANY OTHER EVENT. WE MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS, WE MAKE SURE THAT WRITERS, PRODUCERS AND THE MEDIA HERE ABOUT ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES. IT IS FAIR TO SAY THAT THE WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY GETS LESS ATTENTION.
THERE IS LESS THERE. WE BELIEVE THAT THE FUTURE COMES FROM DEVELOPING NEW PRODUCT.
THE TRAIL SYSTEM CAN BE DEVELOPED CONNECTING US WITH OTHER COUNTIES INCLUDING WESTERN COUNTIES, LANDLOCKED COUNTIES THINGS THAT ARE THE FUTURE.
WE INVEST IN COMMUNICATING ABOUT THOSE THINGS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY MANY HOTEL ROOMS TO GENERATE THE BED TAX.
WE BELIEVE THE FUTURE OF THE INDUSTRY.
>> ANSWERING QUESTION, NOT CONTINUING PUBLIC,.
>> BJ ^ CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, THANK YOU MR. GOLDEN MR. KATZ, HOPEFULLY MAY 17, 2021 TDC MANY VIEWED BY ALL MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD. INTERESTING TO LISTEN TO A LOCAL POLITICIAN, ABOUT THE ACTION BY THE STATE WHEN LOCAL POLITICIANS AND TIMES USE HOMO TO AVOID OVERSIGHT FROM OTHER AGENCIES AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO TAXPAYERS.
PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO CATEGORY 4. TDC DOLLARS NOT USED TO ACQUIRE LAND OTHER MAJOR CAPITAL MOVEMENTS.
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE DOWNTOWN GARAGE HAS BEEN PAID OFF? THE FAILURE OF THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE TO CHARGE ROAD IMPACT FEES, ANNEXING COUNTY PROPERTY INTO CITY LIMITS HAS CAUSED TRANSPORTATION PROBLEMS. ABILITY THE ORDINANCE CONTINUES TO BE IGNORED IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE WHILE DEVELOPERS OVERDEVELOPED WITHOUT ASSUMING RESPONSIBILITY FOR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. PREMEMBER, 50 POUND BAG OF POTATOES WERE NOT THAT PLAIN FIVE POUND BAG. THE USE OF THE WATERWAYS AND TO EAT AND DRINK. PUBLIC FACILITIES KNOWN AS MAJOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD NOT BE ADDED TO CATEGORY 4. THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON THERE. THERE IS A LETTER ADDRESSED TO MR. JEREMIAH BLOCKER, YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN FROM THE MAYOR OF CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE, NOT THE MAYOR UTTARAKHAND. WANT TO TAKE HALF SAID, 1.5 MILLION HAVE BEEN SENT FOR STUDY TO DEVELOP A PARKING PLAN. THAT SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO THEM. TOO MANY DOLLAR LOAN YOU OFFER ALL FOR GAVE FOR TDC, MR. CASON MR. GOLDMAN SPOKE ABOUT THAT, ENOUGH MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY BACK.
SO, NO MORE MONEY FOR THEM TO ADVERTISE.
WHENEVER WE SAY THERE IS A LAST CALL, LET'S MAKE SURE LAST CALL FOR EVERYBODY TO COME UP HERE TO SPEAK.
IF THEY DON'T GOT UP LIKE THEY ASKED HIM TO BECAUSE WE ARE ALL PLAY GAMES. EVERYBODY KNOWS.
WE HAVE SAT IN THESE MEETINGS, THE LAST ONE IS THE ONE TO DO.
COVER EVERYBODY ELSE. WE ARE LEARNING THIS IT TO BE TREATED LIKE THIS IS VERY WRONG.E NEED TO REMEMBER,
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT, CONCERNED THIS IS HANDLED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU MR. GOLDMAN FOR PLAYING OUR GAME HERE.>> OKAY, THAT I THINK PUBLIC COME UP HERE APPEARS IT DOES, I HOPE NO ONE IS BRAVE ENOUGH TO SPEAK AFTER HER.
[LAUGHING] >> COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD.
>> I'M GOING TO MAKE, SIR. WE ARE A COASTAL COUNTY.
SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS EVERYONE HERE.
FULLY ADDRESS COASTAL EROSION, IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN OUR BEACHES. OUR BEACHES IS REALLY THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE COUNTY. LIFEBLOOD THE RECENT WHY A LOT OF US KHMER, TOURISTS COME HERE.
IMPORTANT SOURCE OF TOURIST REVENUE WHAT PEOPLE COME ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. FUNDING SOURCES COUNTY USES.
TAXABLE REVENUE IN THE COUNTY. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION THAT FAILS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR BEACHES. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I APPRECIATE HARD-WORKING TDC PUT INTO THIS.
A LOT OF WORK IN MEETINGS. GREAT MANY, POSSIBLE TESTS.
RECOMMENDATION MORE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE BEACHES.
I WILL TELL YOU WHY, CURRENT ALSO NOW FUNDS FOR BEACHES Ã NONSTARTER. IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE BED TAX IS IMPORTANT SOURCE. WE HAVE COUNTIES AROUND US, WE ARE A PENINSULA. NOT METHODOLOGICAL CREATURE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN. COMMON PRACTICE OF ADDRESSING COASTAL EROSION. LOOK TO OTHER COUNTIES TO OUR NORTH, TO OUR SOUTH, WE CAN SEE ONGOING COASTAL BEACH CREATE NOURISHMENT. ONGOING MEDICATION AND BEACH NOURISHMENT PROGRAM THAT HELP LOCAL FUNDING SOURCES.
TO OUR NORTH AND TO OUR SOUTH AT WORK.
WE CAN IDENTIFY HOW THEY FUND THOSE.
I RECOGNIZE IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE SOME OF OUR TOURISM REVENUE. PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTY. WE NEED OPTIONS.
BED TAX, USED TOOL BY OTHER COASTAL COUNTIES TO ADDRESS COASTAL EROSION. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS NOT KILLING THE GOLDEN EGG.
I WOULD SAY I WOULD PRESENT TO YOU, THE PUBLIC THAT IN THIS SITUATION, OUR BEACHES ARE ALSO PART OF THE GOLDEN EGG, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE AS WELL. MULTIPLE TESTIMONIES, NOT COURT OF LAW, MULTIPLE TESTIMONIES ABOUT THAT.
I APPRECIATE EFFORTS TDC HAD. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER DEAN MAKING RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THAT RECOMMENDATION IS MORE I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF THAT RECOMMENDATION MADE.
THE CONSTITUENTS I REPRESENT TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT DOES NOT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR COASTAL EROSION.
I HAVE MADE THOSE COMMENTS. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST
NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I HAVE TO SAY, TO ME, RAISING THAT SENT IS A NO-BRAINER.
WE ARE COLLECTING DOLLARS FROM PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTY TO MEET THE NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY. NOT ONLY THAT, WHEN THE PLAYERS IS HERE WE ARE COLLECTING POUNDS, RUPEES, PESOS.
WE ARE CONVERTING THOSE INTO DOLLARS THE BENEFIT THIS COUNTY. AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING BURDEN BACK ON THE TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.
NO-BRAINER IN TERMS OF ALLOCATION.
I BELIEVE IN MARKETING. MY SMALL, LITTLE BUSINESS, WE HAVE DONE TELEVISION AND RADIO. DURING 16 YEARS WILL TURN IT ON AND OFF TO EXPERIMENT WHAT IS HAPPENING CURRENT MARKETING WORKS. EVERY MAJOR BRAND YOU ARE AWARE OF IN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IT IS IN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS BECAUSE YOU MARKET THE HECK OUT OF IT. ECOGNIZE THE SCRIPT WRITING ON THE RIGHT HAND. NOW WHAT IS, CONTINUE TO MARKET BECAUSE IT IS EFFECTIVE. I SUPPORT THE DESIRE TO RAISE THE PENNIES' PRICE, FROM $3 MILLION-$4 MILLION, THAT WE SHOULD BE RACE AT THE FIFTH SAT ALBERT SENT, SHARING A POT OF $59 AS OPPOSED TO $20 MILLION. BENEFITS ALL PARTIES.
RECOMMENDATION THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN MADE, RECOMMENDATION I WOULD SUPPORT. EVERYONE SHOULD GET SOMETHING.
NOT ANYBODY SHOULD GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT AT THIS DEAL. NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO GOCOMMENTS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER MADE. EVERY RESIDENT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY, WE COLLECT A PREMIUM FROM THESE OCEANFRONT HOMES.
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WHAT ON THE PROPERTY, APPRAISER'S WEBSITE, FANTASTICALLY EASY TO USE, EVEN FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME.I CLICKED ON A HOUSE THAT IS ON THE COASTLINE THERE.
THEY ARE PAYING $60,000 EVERY YEAR. WENT BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT ON THE BEACH IN DISTRICT 1, A LOT HOMES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PAYING 2500-$3500 A YEAR.
IF ONE OF THESE HOMES WOULD FALL INTO THE OCEAN, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE ARE LOSING 25-30 HOMES EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE HOMES WOULD FALL INTO THE OCEAN.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IS A FINANCIAL STRATEGY FOR ST.
JOHN'S COUNTY. THESE DOLLARS THAT PAY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ARE ENHANCED BY THESE COASTAL PROPERTIES. AM WILLING AS UNWILLING AS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER PUT IT, A TDT THAT DOES NOT TAKE CARE BEACHES. HOMES WHERE WE COLLECT THE PREMIUM. AGAIN, WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN PROPOSES SOMETHING I WOULD SUPPORT.
I WILL SAY I'M ANXIOUS TO HEAR COMMISSIONER THOUGHTS.
I WANT TO ADDRESS WATERWAY ACCESS.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON I VALUE YOUR OPINION.
YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE COUNTY LONG TIME.
>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> AT FIRST I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TERA. WE USE TDC RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I LIKE, WHAT IS AMOUNT GOING TO BEACHES? COMPARED TO WHAT WE ARE SPENDING NOW, WHAT ACCESS DO
YOU THINK WILL BE THERE? >> I PUT BACK ON THE BOARD THE TABLE THAT IS UP THERE. UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE TDC TO THE POOR, 1.0 PENNY ALLOCATION TO THAT MODIFIED CATEGORY 5 ACCOUNT BEACH EXPENDITURES ONLY, ONE PENNY COVERS ALL OF OUR EXISTING ÃALL THE EXPENDITURES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY OBLIGATED TO PURSUE.
IT COVERS ALL OF THAT. A SMALL BUFFER, LEAVES MAYBE
100-$200,000 ADDITIONAL. >> OKAY.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE, WE ARE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE ORSE. PUT MONEY TOWARDS A NONFEDERAL JESSE DO PROJECT, THIS TO BE THE FIRST ONE.
A CORE PROJECT, A MARCH AUTHORITY OF THE AUTHOR R.
COUNTY WILLING TO GO IN DEBT $49 FOR EACH PROJECT FOR 9 MILES OF BEACH. TO ME, WHAT TO GET YOU A SUMMER HAVEN CALLS? EMAILS FROM SUMMER HAVEN.
I'VE GOT EMAILS FROM SUMMERHOUSE AREA.
IT IS REALLY, WHY ALL ALONG I'VE TOLD THE RESIDENTS YOU'VE GOT HAVE FEDERAL PARTICIPATION. IF WE HAVE ANOTHER HURRICANE OR 2, WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS PAID OFF BEFORE THAT SAND IS GONE.
THEN WHAT HE COULD DO? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP MULTIPLYING TWO MORE AND MORE SAND TO SOMETHING YOU CANNOT CONTROL? ÃBEACH DONE EVERY FIVE YEARS? EVERY FIVE YEARS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
THE PROBLEM IS, THAT IS US IT HAS TO REDO IT.
HOW DO YOU GENERATE NO MATTER WHAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY? TODAY, IT IS A PRIVATE PROJECT. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ENDEAVOR $49.
WE HAVE RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE STATE.
I THINK IT IS A 4 MILLION TOTAL.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 36 NINE DOLLARS TAXPAYERS ARE VIABLE.
HOW DO WE ÃI MEAN, THE GOAL WOULD BE TOWARD A FEDERAL PROJECT. ANOTHER PROBLEM I GOT, REGARDING TO DISCUSS LATER, A LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT THE PROJECT. TURNING DOWN SAND THAT IS VERY REASONABLE COST TO THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TAXPAYERS, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO UNDERSTAND EQUIPMENT GOING TO ROLL IN FOR THIS.
YOU HAVE TO TRENCH OUT THERE 12 HOURS, PUMPING SAND 24 HOURS A DAY? I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO WORK TO GET BEACHES NUMBER 1 TOURIST, JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THAT. I THINK IS IMPORTANT, WE HAVE TO DECIDE ARE WE WILLING TO GO INTO THAT KIND OF DEBT FOR FOR 9 MILES OF BEACH WITHOUT A FEDERAL PROJECT? I AM ALL FOR THE BEST SENT, HOW IT HAS SPENT IS ANOTHER THING.
IDON'T THINK ON THE FIFTH SENT I LIKE THE ONE PERCENT OF THE GROSS BE MORE MONEY . AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT IF YOU STARTED NOW, AND HOW MANY YEARS GET THE PROJECT UNDERWAY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND BOUGHT IT.
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THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT TO IT.IT IS A TOUGH DEAL. I HAVE A HARD ENOUGH TIME RAISING ATTACKS EVEN THOUGH TOURISTS ARE PAYING IT.
IT IS HOW WE EXPEND MONEY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
NOW, I THINK WE COULD GET BETTER ÃADVERTISE ALWAYS TOUGH, TIRED OF THE TOURISM. TIRED OF WHAT WE DON'T EXPECT TO TOURISM, GETTING MASIVE PEOPLE.
YOU STILL HAVE 1/4 MILLION PEOPLE FROM 300,000 PEOPLE.
WHEN WE STARTED THIS, I THINK Ã YOU WOULD HAVE TO CORRECT ME, 60,000 TO AROUND 100 IN THE COUNTY.
SERVICES, TRAFFIC, AND EVERYTHING CREATED BY THAT GROWTH IS NOT BEING AUGMENTED BY TOURISTS.
IT IS CAUSING ISSUE. I THINK WE HAVE TO SET DOWN GO BACK AND FIGURE BEFORE WE ALLOCATE 1.5 MILLION.
THAT DROPS, THE COUNTY STILL WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER THAT LOAN PAYMENT.
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IT WILL COST.
WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO SPEND. AND WHAT OUR PLAN WOULD BE.
I WOULD SAY GIVEN CORE PROJECTS WITHIN FIVE YEARS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY DO THIS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO SOMEHOW GENERATE $8 MILLION A YEAR. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO REPLACE EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU ARE NOT STILL MAKING PAYMENTS ON NUMBER 1 WHEN YOU HAVE NUMBER 2 SITTING THERE.
THAT IS THE HARD THING. TO ME, SIT DOWN BEFORE WE ALLOCATE OR RUSH TO DO THIS AND SAY OKAY, WHAT IS IT GOING TO GENERATE? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO BE IN IT? I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WEST IT WENT. AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO WORK ON THAT. YES, THERE IS INCREASED TAXES THERE. THEY PAY MSD IT IS UNFORTUNATE.
I HAD TO LOOK AT OCEAN FRONT HOUSES, COUNTY ON ABOUT THREE PERCENT OF OUR TAXABLE INCOME IN THE COUNTY.
HOWEVER, THEY PAY THE SAME MILLAGE AS YOU DO IN WEST MARKET. SAME AS I DO IN THE SOUTH.
AND EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE COUNTY.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE ALLOCATING MONEY FOR A PROJECT THAT WE HAVE NOT EVEN
APPROVED AS A BOARD. >> THANK YOU MR. WALDRON.
COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE IN THE PUBLIC MAY OR MAY NOT UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY, WE HAVE A SUNSHINE WHILE IN THE STATE THAT PROHIBITS US FROM SPEAKING ABOUT ISSUES COMING BEFORE THE BOARD OUTSIDE OF A PUBLIC HAVIN TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS INCLUDING COMMISSIONER WALDRON, PAUL, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR CLARIFICATION.
>> SURE. I RAMBLE A LONG TIME.
>> I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING A DISCUSSION.
NOW IS THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO IMPACT MY DECISION AND MY VOTE. AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, YOU SAID YOU WOULD SUPPORT TDC RECOMMENDATION, BUT YOU WOULD NOT TODAY SUPPORT ANY OF THE FUNDS EARMARKED FOR CATEGORY 5
FOR BEACH RESTORATION? >> THE FIFTH PENNY IS ON CATEGORY 5, THAT HAS INCREASED. HOWEVER, I COULD SEE TAKING SOMETHING FROM THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT HAVE 1/5 SENT BEFORE FROM THE BEACHES, BEACHES SCANNER.
>> HOLD ON A MINUTE, PLEASE. WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
GENERATE MORE MONEY TOWARD BEACHES, SOMETHING THAT IS GOT TO GROW. WHERE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT FROM, YOU TAKE FROM ADVERTISING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF THE ACTUAL ENNY TO ONE PROJECT.
NOT, YOU KNOW, ONE PROJECT WE HAVE NOT UPLOADED TO DO.
SIX PERCENT OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. THE REPORT GOES THROUGH A LOT OF IT. TO GET A CORE THING, WE WOULD NEED PUBLIC ACCESS.ORE CREATIVE.
OTHER THAN MICKLER'S, COMMISSIONING, SOLVE THE
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PARKING. IT IS A SEMI PRIVATE BEACH.ESIDENTS RIGHT THERE. NOT PARKING FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE THERE AND GO OTHER THAN MICKLER'S.
IT ONLY HOLDS 250 SPOTS. WE COULD LOOK AT THE FIGURES, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT FROM?
WE STILL HAVE TO FIND OTHERS. >> IF I MAY, THE CURRENT 47 BED TAX WE FIND SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, AND BEACH NOURISHMENT, OUR LOCAL MATCH FOR TWO FEDERALLY APPROVED PROJECTS CURRENTLY COME FROM THE FORCE OF BED TAX.
IF WE INCREASE FORCE OF BED TAX TO FIVE SAID, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? THE NEW ONE SENT, $3 MILLION A YEAR, NEW MONEY.
NEW MONEY AND WE WOULD TAKE 60 PERCENT OF THAT NEW MONEY.
IT IS TRUE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE CURRENT APPROVED PROJECT.
IT IS MY POSITION THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING A SMART MOVE BY STARTING A SINKING FUND, IF YOU WELL, THAT WILL BUILD UP OVER TIME.VENTUALLY, I AM CONVINCED, DETERMINED AND COMMITTED TO HAVE A PROJECT FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACH ALL THE REASONS WE DISCUSSED LAST FOUR YEARS.
IN MY OPINION, I DO NOT THINK IT IS NECESSARILY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE, I THINK WE CAN CREATE A SINKING FUND SO THAT WHEN WE DO MAKE IT THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND WE MAKE IT THROUGH THE PERMITTING. WE ARE READY TO BREAK GROUND WITH A FEDERAL PROJECT, WE WILL HAVE OUR SHARE BUILT UP TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK IT ONLY MAKES SENSE.
IT IS A MESSAGE TO THOSE CITIZENS, DRESSES, HOMEOWNERS THAT PAY $60,000 A YEAR LOWER THEIR TAXES, WE AS A BOARD COMMITTED THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
WE'RE GOING TO GET IT DONE WITH THE CORE AND TIME TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THOSE CITIZENS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ONES THAT INCREASE THE WAY I HAVE SUGGESTED.
I FULLY, NOT ALL TRYING TO CRITICIZE, PAUL.
>> YES. >> I RESPECT YOU AND YOUR POSITION GREATLY. I THINKYOU KNOW THAT.
I FEEL LIKE , YOU KNOW, THE ONLY TIME WE TALK NOW.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> I WANT TO FULLY EXPLAIN MY POSITION NCF IN FACT MY Ã [LAUGHING]
>> I WOULD STILL PUT IT IN THE CATEGORY AS BEACHES.
NOT JUST EARMARKED THAT FUND. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT.
WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS. PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, PEOPLE ASK FOR A ROAD DOWN TO SOMMER HAVEN.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE ASK ÃTHEY HAVE WATER RUNNING UNDERNEATH HER HOUSES. THEY ARE GETTING A FEMA DOOM PROJECT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE RIGHT NOW.
A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT IS HARD, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AT THAT POINT WHETHER WE ARE HAVE A FEDERAL PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD. I MEAN, I DON'T MIND.
I AM FOR THE FIFTH SENT, PUT TOWARD BEACHES, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS THAT WAY. EARMARKING ONE RIGHT NOW THEY CAN GUESS, CERTAIN AMOUNT, HARD FOR ME TO DO.
>> OKAY, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I THINK PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT TO DO THIS TODAY AND PUT 60 PERCENT OF ONE CENT INCREASE TOWARD PONTE VEDRA PROJECT BECAUSE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A FEDERAL PROJECT. WE MAY HAVE TO DO THIS LOCALLY ON OUR OWN WITH STATE ASSISTANCE, WE ALREADY GOT EDUCATION FROM A SENATOR 3.5 MILLION PUT IN THE BUDGET TWICE
NOW. >> YES.> MERCER GOT VETOED.
IT IS AS IMPORTANT GO FORWARD WITH THIS THIS PROPOSAL.
IN THE N THE EVENT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE WE WILL HAVE A FEDERALLY APPROVED FUNDED PROJECT FOR PONTE VEDRA.
WE CAN, IN MY OPINION, USING STATE MONEY, THE BED TAX MONEY, AND REVENUE FROM MSTU NOT CREATIVE.
A LOCAL STATE PROJECT, I DON'T TRY TO GO OVER HERE, I AM COMMITTED AS ONE COMMISSIONER TO A PROJECT FOR PONTE VEDRA
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BEACH, THIS IS THE WAY TO START.I HEAR YOU SAYING, I THINK, THAT YOU COULD SUPPORT PUTTING GOING FORWARD WITH THE ONE SENT WITH 60 PERCENT GOING TO BEACHES QUOTE UNQUOTE. IN CATEGORY 5, NOT NECESSARILY
>> AND IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION YOU ARE SICK THAT SHE AND YOU WOULD SUPPORT, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT, TOO.
I WANT LEGISLATIVE INTENT HISTORY REFLECT AT LEAST FROM MY POSITION THAT THAT 60 PERCENT OF THE ONE CENT INCREASE, I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR A PROJECT WITH OR WITHOUT A FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACH BECAUSE WE OWE TO THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE PAYING 50 OR 60,000 A YEAR AND ADD MORE ON TAXES. THAT IS WHERE I THINK I AM.
>> YES. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, & WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE EARMARKED PROJECT FOR PONTE VEDRA BEACH.
WE HAVE MSTU, NOT FUNDED AND THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND.
WE WILL HAVE TO TAKE MONEY AT THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND, COULD GO TO OTHER NEEDS IN THE COUNTY.
TO ME, START WAY TO START BUILDING UP A RESERVE WHERE WE CAN ADDRESS COASTAL EROSION ACROSS THE COUNTY.
NOT JUST PONTE VEDRA. PONTE VEDRA IS THE MOST PRESSING, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS IT.
TO ME THIS IS A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE MOVE TO ADDRESS THAT. IF THE FEMA BERM MOVES FORWARD, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A COST SHARE FOR THAT.
PULL OUT THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND, I WOULD RATHER NOT DO.
I DO NOT THINK THAT IS GOOD FISCAL DECISION.
THIS COULD BUILD UP REVENUE TO USE TOWARD COASTAL EROSION.
I UNDERSTAND WE DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
MY INTENT THAT THIS SUPPORT MOVE DOWN THE ROAD, CREATE A REVENUE SOURCE. FOR ME, IDENTIFY LOCAL FUNDING SOURCES. HELP GET ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM THE STATE. HOPEFULLY CONTINUED TO GET REVENUE FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE, A LOT OF COUNTIES COMPETING FOR THIS, LOCAL FUNDING SOURCES WE HAVE NOT FULLY UTILIZED HERE.
WE HAVE NOT FULLY UTILIZED. GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND ASK FOR MATCHING FUNDS. MORE REVENUE INTO A BEACH CATEGORY. I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER DEAN, COASTAL EROSION, 100 PERCENT HELPING SOMMER HAVEN DOWN THE ROAD. HOPEFULLY IDENTIFY A PROJECT DOWN THERE. DO NOT THINK ANYONE IS SUGGESTING EARMARKED SPECIFICALLY FOR PONTE VEDRA. WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO SUPPORT PONTE VEDRA, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WAS PUTTING THE MONEY STRICTLY TO PONTE VEDRA.
>> I DO NOT KNOW WE CAN DO THAT SPECIFICALLY TODAY.
GOES INTO A CATEGORY. WE AS A BOARD WANT TO VOTE
LATER. >> THE BUDGET PRICE SIX.
>> RIGHT, THE BUDGET PROCESS. >> YEAH, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE INCREASING THE BEACH SIDE OF IT.
HERE IS THE THING, TOO PATRICK, CAN WE DISCUSS MSTU IN THIS MEETING? ARE WE GOING TO ACTIVATE MSTU THIS YEAR TO BUILD FUNDS THAT WAY? WE VOTED NOT TO DO THAT TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE SET IT UP.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO ADD LEAST LOOK AT THAT.> I WOULD CONSIDER IT. TO BE CLEAR, I BASICALLY ALTERED MY POSITION SINCE I GAVE MY INITIAL SPEECH.
>> YES. >> I SAID I AGREE WITH YOU IF YOU ARE SUGGESTING AND WILLING TO EARMARKED 60 PERCENT OF ONE SENT FOR CATEGORY 5, NOT PONTE VEDRA BEACH, BUT CATEGORY 5. I CAN SUPPORT THAT APPEARED TO BE FRANK, I'M GOING TO BE CLEAR.
IF THE DECISION OR THE MOTION WERE TO ADOPT TDC RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THE BED TAX ONE PERCENT, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. I'M GOING TO VOTE NO FOR THE REASONS I'VE SAID. IF THE MOTIONS WERE TO ADOPT ONE CENT INCREASE THE WAY I'VE ALLOCATED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING 60 PERCENT WOULD BE FOR CATEGORY 5 IN GENERAL, WE COULD GO FORWARD WITH THAT. RECOGNIZING AT LEAST ONE COMMISSIONER, A PROJECT OF FEDERAL PROJECT FOR FEDERAL AND NONFEDERAL, BED TAX, MSTU IF WE DON'T GET ESTATE PLANNING PROJECT. I AGREE WITH YOU IF THAT IS THE QUESTION, PAUL, THE QUERY THAT YOU HAVE, I WOULD SUPPORT A
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MOTION THAT PUTS INCREASE PENNY TOWARD CATEGORY 5 IN GENERAL.>> OKAY. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK TERA IF SHE CAN WRITE ON THE CATEGORY. WE CAN VOTE ON IT.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST READY, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP, TODAY WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
LOOKING TO BRING THIS BACK FOR A SECOND READING.
WE CAN COME BACK WITH AN AMENDED PLAN.
YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO SHOW? >> I THINK RIGHT NOW 60 PERCENT OF THE NEW, WE WANT TO ADD MORE MONEY TO THE BEACHES.
IT WOULD BE 60 PERCENT OF THE NEW PENNY GO STRICTLY TO
BEACHES. >> SO YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO BRING BACK SECOND READING MODIFIED VERSION OF THE TABLE THAT SHOWS THE BED PENNY ALLOCATED WITH .6 PENNIES GOING TO CATEGORY 5. OTHER PART OF THIS FOR CONSIDERATION IS THAT MONIC EDIFICATION TO THE ORDINANCE.
ONE OF THE TDC'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MODIFY THE ORDINANCE SO A CONSOLIDATED CATEGORY 5 FOR BEACH EXPENDITURES. THINK BASED ON WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN SUGGESTED, MAYBE THE DISCUSSION I HEARD, SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD IS PROBABLY OKAY WITH CONSIDERING CHANGES TO THAT PLAN TO HAVE CATEGORY 5 BE BEACH EXPENDITURES. WITH THAT ASSUMPTION IN PLACE, THEN WHAT I WOULD BRING BACK IS A MODIFY TABLE THAT SHOWS .6 OF FIFTH SENT GOING TO CATEGORY 5. WHICH IS MODIFIED BEACH ASSETS CATEGORY. .2 PENNIES TO ONE, DESTINATION MARKETING. .2 PENNES THREE, WHICH IS MODIFIED RECREATION AND LEISURE CATEGORY THAT EXCLUDES ALL BEACH EXPENDITURES.
>> YEAH, THAT IS WHAT I AM PROPOSING.
>> YEAH, I WANT TO SEE HOW IT PANS OUT MONEYWISE.
EVENTUALLY. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
>> YES. >> AS TERA INDICATED ON THE FIRST READING, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE BOARD BY CONSENSUS COULD GIVE DIRECTION. HOWEVER, THE BOARD WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE A DECISION WHEN THIS THING COMES BACK FOR A SECOND READING. THE TITLE OF PROPOSED ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN BROADLY ENOUGH IS THAT IT DOESN'T TIE YOUR HANDS FOR THE SECOND READING. YOU STILL HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE DIRECTION.
>> OKAY, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK.
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THANK YOU, PATRICK.
>> I WILL BE QUICK. I WANT TO RESTATE TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND COMMISSIONER SMITH,
>> KEEP MONEY AND POCKETBOOKS OF ST. JOHN TAXPAYERS.
TOURS PUT BIG STRAIN ON INFRASTRUCTURE, ENJOY OUR BEACHES. I THINK HAVING THEM SHARE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN E IS A GOOD MOVE FOR THE RESIDENTS WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT. I DO NOT WANT, WHETHER IT IS THIS BOARD OR PRESSURE ON THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH WE NOW LIMITED. OTHER CAUSES STRAIN.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS, IS PRO-ST.
JOHN'S MOVE TO PROTECT RESIDENTS.
COMMISSIONER. >> I DO HAVE ONE, I WANT TO MAKE, I MADE MY VOICE VERY CLEAR ALONG THE WAY.
YEARS AGO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT INCREASE IN TAXES.
I DO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT I THINK WOULD BE IMPERATIVE FOR EACH MEMBER OF THIS BOARD TO READ.
IT WAS PROVIDED TO ME BY LOCAL FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN THIS COUNTY ALL THEIR LIFE. IT IS 1976, BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SANCTION STUDY OF BEACH NOURISHMENT.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY PROVIDED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INSIGHT FROM SOMMER HAVEN TO PONTE VEDRA.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED READING.
I ENCOURAGE YOU, I HAVE IT ON MY DESK THAT I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD FILTER THROUGH. I THINK WILL BE VERY, VERY ENLIGHTENING. RECOMMENDATIONS FROM 1970S HAVE NOT BEEN ADHERED TO EVER SINCE ITS RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THERE HAS BEEN BEACH EROSION HERE FOR A VERY
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LONG TIME. UNDERSTANDING OF THAT INHERENT RISK AS WELL. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.BUT I WILL MAKE THAT PROVIDED FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A COPY, HALF STAFF MAKE IT FOR YOU.
I STAND FIRM WHERE I HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG.
>> THANK YOU MR. SMITH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.> I WOULD
>> START INTERJECT, WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH'S DOCUMENT, HIS DESCRIPTION THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE BOARD READY, MY SENSE OF EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC YEAR, I THINK PUBLIC INTEREST TO THAT. WE COULD GET THAT, SCAN IT IN, MAKE IT AVAILABLE ON COUNTY'S WEBPAGE IF ANYBODY WANT TO
CLICK INTO IT. >> SURE, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN BRIEF MATERIALS.S FAR AS OUR ACTION TODAY, TERA.
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----->>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. AND AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 AS WELL, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO OUR DISCLOSURE.
LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> THEY CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. I MET FEBRUARY 10, 2021 WITH MR. ÃAT HIS HOME, HISTORY OF NEIGHBORHOOD, CONCERNS HE HAD WITH THE DEVELOPER, THE APPLICANT'S.
HE EXPRESSED CONCERNS OVER THE TRAFFIC IN CHILDREN IN THE STREET, ON ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 2021 AT 2:30 P.M.
I MET WITH MR. DAY AT THE COUNTY BUILDING OFFICE.
HE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND DESIRE TO BUILD 31 MORE HOMES AND WAYS HE THOUGHT IT WAS COMPATIBLE.
THURSDAY, JUNE 3, I MET WITH HIM AGAIN IN THE OFFICE.
HE REASSERTED MANY OF THE SAME CONCERNS HE EXPRESSED ON FEBRUARY 10. HIS CONCERNS WITH MR. DAY, DANGER TO THE CHILDREN ADDING 31 HOMES WOULD PROVIDE DISCUSS PROPOSED SPEED BUMPS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT AND THE TOP LOT ONCE AGAIN.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER
WALTER. >> I MET WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF HE GAVE ME CONCERNS TO INCREASE BUILDING BACK PAT'S TO HIS HOUSE. I THINK HE DID MOST OF ALL THE TALKING, HIS CONCERNS OVER TRAFFIC NOT KNOWING THE HOUSES WERE GOING TO BE THERE. APRIL 29 10:00 A.M. I HAD A MEETING WITH NATE A AND HOLLY SMITH.
IN THE MEETING WE DISCUSSED THE SPEED BUMPS, THE CHANGES THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE TOP LOT, WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING AGAIN, SIGNAGE THEY WOULD BE PUTTING UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SMITH.> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALREADY DISCLOSED A LOT OF THOSE, MARCH 11 AT THE 11:00 A.M. SIMILAR THINGS PRESENTED. I THINK WE DID THAT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. I'M GOING TO GO RIGHT TO THE NEWEST AND LATEST ONE I HAVE, WHICH IS APRIL WHICH IS APRIL 29, 2021 10:30 A.M., MET WITH MR. NATE DAY AND MR. HOLLY SMITH, AND MR. FOR SCOTT IN OUR OWN STAFF.
SPEEDBOATS, HIGH PLACE-DRAINAGE, SPEED LIMIT SIGN OF 25 MILES PER HOUR. THE DESIRE FOR THEM TO TRY TO
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MAKE THIS AS PALATABLE TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS TO THIS BOARD AND ALSO WENT THROUGH, AGAIN, SOME OF THE CONNECTION POINTS THAT WERE MADE THROUGH THE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS THAT WERE MADE WEEKLY AND THROUGH PROVIDENCE.IT THROUGH SOME VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCES WHERE NEIGHBORS HAD SOME SIGNS POSTED THERE, EVEN DURING SOME OF THEIR PURCHASES. AND THEN PCAM MAY 20, DISCUSSED THAT AS WELL. SHOULD COME CLEAN MY DISCLOSURE, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU.
>> ON MARCH 9, I DID MEET, TOO WITH TONY P. WHOLE ISSUE OF SAFETY, VIEW, ETC. WHERE THE PROPOSED CUT OUT WAS GOING TO BE AT CALL THE STAT TO GET TO OXFORD ESTATES.
THURSDAY, APRIL 8, I MET WITH NATE DAY TO DISCUSS THE DEVELOPMENT AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE SORT OF SEMINOLE ISSUE DURING THAT DISCUSSION IN MY MIND WAS WHETHER OR NOT THE HOMEBUILDERS SELLING LOTS OR DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION THAT WAS EITHER SHOWING OR NOT SHOWING A CUTOUT OR A STUB FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC LEADING TO OXFORD ESTATES.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TODAY I WAS PROVIDED, IN FACT I HAVE HERE, OF WHAT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY THE SELLERS, THE HOMEBUILDERS PROVIDENCE IN THIS CASE.
CLEARLY SHOWS A STUB OR A CUTAWAY LEADING OUT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC TO FACE SEVEN. THAT WAS THE UPSHOT OF THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S MY DISCLOSURE.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO, ORIGINAL DISCLOSURES AS MR. SMITH NOTED, BRIEFLY NOTICES.
THURSDAY, MARCH 9 AT 3:00 P.M. WITH A CONCERNED RESIDENT, TONY, MOVE FORWARD TO RECENT CONVERSATIONS.
THURSDAY, MAY 20, 9:30 A.M., PHONE CALL WITH MR. DOCUMENT, PROJECT TO HEAVY TRAFFIC CONCERNS PER HER CONCERNS WERE TRAFFIC SAFETY AS THIS PROJECT EXPANDED.
CONCERNED FOR CHILDREN IN THE AREA.
THURSDAY, MAY 27, APPROXIMATELY 10:00 AM, MEETING WITH MR. NATE DAY AND MR. HOLLY SMITH, SPEED PRODUCTIONS, TOP BLOCK IMPROVEMENTS, POSSIBILITY OF COMING INTO THE DIRECTION OF DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION. FOLLOW-UP MEETING THURSDAY, JUNE 3 1:30 P.M., MEETING WITH TONY, CONCERNED RESIDENT, THE PROJECT, TALK TO HIM ABOUT SPEED REDUCTION MEASURES, TOPLINE, OVERLIE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC
HEARING FOR. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T
>> I WANT TO MENTION I MADE A DRIVE THROUGH THEIR MAY 30 8:00 P.M. I DROVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL WAY TO THE END, WHICH I THINK NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED AS WELL.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT. >> THANK YOU.
I WANT TO ADDRESS IS, NO MORE ADDRESSING TO THE BOARD FROM AUDIENCE. ADDRESS A PUBLIC COMMENT.
HAVE A 3 OR 4 TIMES A DAY. NO MORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD FROM AUDIENCE. IF THAT CONTINUES, HEAD OF THAT. THERE IS A CONCERN, YOU CANNOT HEAR, CONFORMER, TALK TO COUNTY ATTORNEY.
NO MORE ADDRESSING THE BOARD FROM AUDIENCE.
IF YOU DO, YOU'LL BE OUT OF ORDER.
WE ARE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING FORMAT.
A FORMAT WHERE ENTRY INTO A QUASIJUDICIAL SETTING.
WE AS A BOARD HAVE TO MAKE JUDICIAL DECISIONS.
HAVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BRIEF US ON WITH THE COUNTY FORMAT IS
GOING TO BE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ESTHER INDICATED ITEMS 3 AND 4 HEARD TOGETHER, BECAUSE OF JUDICIAL. PRESENTED BACK TO THE BOARD TO THE PCA, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO HAVE AN ACTUAL FORMAT FOR THIS. I WILL DESCRIBE THAT DISCLOSURE, COMMUNICATION THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
I WILL NOTE, COMMISSIONER DEAN, THE MAP YOU INDICATED IF MR. DAY IS GOING TO PRESENT THAT AS PART OF HIS PRESENTATION THAT WOULD BE FINE. IF NOT, PUT THAT ON THE OVERHEAD PUT THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD.
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I WOULD RECOMMEND SWEARING IN OF WITNESSES.I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS MR. DAY REPRESENTING APPLICANT. MR. PRUSSIC I THINK IS WITH US.
>> WHATYOU COME UP? >> WHO WILL BE REPRESENTING THE OPPOSITION. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BOARDS, RULES AND POLICIES, WILL BE REPRESENTING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. HAS THE LISTING OF THOSE THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AND MY UNDERSTANDING MR. DAY DOES NOT OBJECT THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES.
AND THEN MR. PRUSSIC AS OPPOSITION REPRESENTATIVE WHILE ALSO HAVE 15 MINUTES. FOR THE SWEARING OF WITNESSES, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE THE BOARD SWEAR IN ANY OF THE WITNESSES DECLARED TWO REPRESENTATIVES HERE.
AFTER THAT, PUBLIC COMMENT. AFTER THAT, APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL. THREE MINUTES, UNLESS OTHERWISE EXTENDED. I GUESS, AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT WILL BE PRUDENT TO ASK WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THIS MATTER AND HAVE EACH PERSON COME UP AND I WILL SWEAR THAT PAIN AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE MR. DAY, MR. ¦ ANYBODY WITH US IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY THAT IS GOING TO TESTIFY OR ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THIS MATTER? I ASKED THAT THEY COME UP AT THIS TIME.
>> MR. DAY DO YOU HAVE ANYONE? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
>> SO, IF ANYONE DOES, I WOULD ASKED THEM TO BE SWORN IN.
THIS IS A CMT MATTER. POSSIBLY COULD BE A CALL IN.
I DON'T SEE ANY CALLS WAITING AT THIS TIME.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MECHANISM TO SWEAR IN A COLLAR, BUT IF IT IS NOT SWORN, IT MAY NOT HAVE THE SAME WEIGHT OF EVIDENTIARY VALUE. AT THIS TIME, MR. DAY, MR. PRESSING, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR TODAY TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND
NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> I DO.
>> MR. CHAIR, THE OUTLINE HAS BEEN DESCRIBED.
PRESENTERS HAVE BEEN SWORN. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
MR. PRESSING TAKE A SEAT, START WITH MR. DAY.
>>. [NAME] [ADDRESS] LIMIT PRESENTATION I HAVE COME AT THE SAME PRESENTATION I DID AND SAME PRESENTATION SLIDES I WALKED THROUGH WITH EACH OF YOU. ALL THE SAME STUFF.WO THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS, SAFETY CONCERNS BRENDA IN THE LAST MEETING. DIRECTION GIVEN AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO ADDRESS OTHER MAIN CONCERN OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS KNOWN OR PLANNED. I WILL RUN THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. AGAIN, QUICK PICTURES.
THIS IS A DEVELOPED NEIGHBORHOOD.
MOST OF THIS HAS BEEN BUILT OUT THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD, 132 UNITS BUILT. THIS IS THE EAST SIDE, ANOTHER 289. THIS WILL BE ÃSORRY, 57, 157 TO MAKE IT 289. ADD 30 LOTS TO AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS A CURRENT MAP THAT IS RECORDED FOR OXFORD STATES. ADDITION OF NORTHSIDE, ADDING 31 LOTS PROPOSE, THIS IS SUE AND OF THAT AREA TO SEEK CONFIGURATION OF THE LOTS ADDED TO THE NORTH SECTION.
I SHARED THIS LAST TIME, STUFF THAT WE HAD DONE OUT OF SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE HAD, SOME CONSTRUCTION ACCESS POINTS OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
BRING HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SPECIFICALLY REQUIRING SOME NUMBER OF LOTS ON INTEREST PART OF THE EXTENSION TO BE 83 FEET WIDE.
ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS SAFETY CONCERN.
LEAVE IT HERE FOR A SECOND. AN EXHIBIT THAT HAS NOW BEEN ADDED TO THE TEXT BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE HAVE MADE THREE EDITIONS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
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THE FIRST IS THE SPEED HUMP, THREE LOCATIONS PROPOSE TO PUT SPEED BUMPS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.THIS DESIGN FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
WE HAD DISCUSSION. IT IS NOT WARRANTED NECESSARILY OR TYPICALLY TO PUT SPEED BUMPS IN THE AREA.
TO ADDRESS THE COMMON CONCERN BROUGHT UP A VOT TRAFFIC AND THE SPEED OF TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THERE.
THE SECOND IS, WE WILL BE INSTALLING SPEED LIMIT SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THIS SECTION HERE AS WELL AS ON OXBRIDGE WAY. THERE IS IT TRACK D, LABEL TOP LOT THAT HAD NO OTHER DESCRIPTION IN THERE.
WE ARE BY MEANS OF TEXT IN THIS EXHIBIT SHOWING THE PLAY STRUCTURE TYPICAL WHAT WE DID ON THE WEST SIDE ROAD.
SIMILAR TYPE OF PLAY STRUCTURE TO GIVE CHILDREN IN THIS AREA ANOTHER OPTION. AMENITY CENTER IS IN BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, TRACK DOWN HERE I AM CIRCLING.
THE MAIN AMENITY CENTER. ALREADY CLOSER TO PLAY HIS WOUL SECOND OPTION FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS AND NEW RESIDENTS.
BRIEFLY BEFORE, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE TO SAY THEY DO NOT SEE SPEED HOMES ARE POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH SPEED BUMPS PAIR PROPOSED ON OUR PART TO ADDRESS A CONCERN. I HAVE SUBMITTED TO A COUNTY SEPARATE TEXT WITH DIFFERENT EXHIBIT THAT TAKES THE SPEED BUMPS OUT AND TAKES BUMPS OUT OF TEXT.
AFTER HEARING FROM MR. PRESSING, WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE SPEED BUMPS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY WITH EITHER ONE YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I WILL HAVE THE TEXT READY SO IF YOU DECIDE WE DON'T NEED SPEED BUMPS, NOT WARRANTED, BECAUSE AN ISSUE FROM RIDING BIKES, RUNNING IN STREETS AND THAT TYPE OF THING, WHEN I REQUIRED TO PUT THEM IN. A TAX TO STOP AND MOVE FORWARD WITH. SPEED BUMPS.
IT WAS A DIRECTION I THOUGHT I WAS GIVEN FROM THE COMMENTS AND THE COMMISSION AT THAT LAST MEETING.
>>> THE OTHER THING I WANT TO DRESS, OUTSIDE OF SAFETY, BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE HEARD. HONESTLY, GO BACK AND DO RESEARCH TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION.
I DID NOT FEEL LIKE I HAD ENOUGH APPROPRIATE INFORMATION AT THE TIME TO LET YOU FEEL LIKE TO MAKE AN APPROPRIATE DECISION. THAT WAS A SENTIMENT THAT THIS WAS THAT PEOPLE WERE SOLD. THEY WERE NOT EXPECTING THIS.
SORT OF RIGHT TO BE ALLOWED. I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH A DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THIS WAS RECORDED AND PUT ON NOTICE.
JUST SO YOU HAVE IT FOR YOUR INFORMATION.
THIS IS CORRECT, RECORDED, RECORDED WHEN WE DID THE LAST MAJOR MOD TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ASSUME IN NORTH SECTION PLAN TO EXTEND 31 KNOTS.HE MAP ALWAYS HAD A FUTURE CONNECTION POINT THERE. ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED.
EVEN WHEN WE DID BACK THEN, POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTION TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE LANDOWNER ADJACENT THERE.
THAT WAS RECORDED WHEN WE DID THE REZONING.
IT IS ALWAYS BEEN ON RECORD. THE OTHER THING I WILL SHOW YOU, THIS WAS THE MAP THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN REFERENCE.
I HAVE ZOOMED IN TO SPECIFIC SECTION THAT SHOWS EXTENSION.
ALSO FOR THE RECORD, THAT WAS THE MAP THAT WAS SHOWN AT LAST BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING.
ALWAYS PUT INTO PUBLIC RECORD AS WELL.
I WANTED TO ZOOM IN TO AREA IN QUESTION.
I WAS CONFUSED OF PROVIDENCE NOT LETTING PEOPLE KNOW SOME FUTURE CONNECTION. THIS IS WHAT THEY USED FOR MARKETING.T IS ALWAYS SHOWN A CONNECTION OR POTENTIAL CONNECTION IN THE CUL-DE-SAC. NO OTHER CALL SEX LOOK THAT WAY. NO OTHER HAVE CONTEMPLATING CONNECTION. THAT ONE THEY'VE ALWAYS SHOWN TO HAVE A FUTURE CONNECTION. THIS IS THE DAVID WEEKLY MAP, WEEKLY IS THE OTHER BUILDER THERE ON THIS SECTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WAS UPDATED APRIL 2019, AND KNOWLEDGE SHALL CONNECTION, BUT THE LOTS.
WEEKLY IS GOING TO BE BUILDING IN NEW SECTION, ADD LOTS TO SITE PLANS BACK IN APRIL 2019. ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE PROVIDENCE OWNERS WOULD'VE PURCHASED THAT CUL-DE-SAC.
THIS IS THE MAP FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WEBSITE.
IF YOU'VE EVER GONE TO THE STATE JOHN'S WEBSITE, IT IS
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ALWAYS ALSO SHOWN RIGHT AWAY CONTINUING TO THE CUL-DE-SAC OF THE OTHER END. THE PLATT WHERE YOU GO, PASSIVE CUL-DE-SAC, BOUNDARY THROUGH DEVELOPMENT EDGE.THE TRACK AND TRACK Q, TRACK IS ALWAYS GONE TO DEVELOPMENT EDGES TO THE FUTURE CONNECTION POINT COMPLICATED.
THE LAST THING, NEVERTHELESS TAKE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS, SALES SHEET FROM PROVIDENCE, PROVIDENCE COUPLE PEOPLE COMMENTED PAID PREMIUM FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC LOT NOW IS NOT A CUL-DE-SAC SAC LOT. THE WEEKLEY PLAN ALWAYS HAD THIS. MAYBE SOME THE PURCHASE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT, THIS IS THEIR LOT PREMIUM SUMMARY, EVERY LOT, EXCEPT 50, HAS A PREMIUM. THEY HAD PREMIUMS FOR NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, SEE A LIST OF DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT THE PREMIUMS ARE. ONLY LOT THAT PROVIDENCE MARCHES A CUL-DE-SAC LOT, IS 90.
IT IS STILL CUL-DE-SAC LOT, NOT CONTEMPLATED OR ARGUED.
21 AND 91 WERE NEVER MARKETED OR SOLD AS BIG CUL-DE-SAC LOTS.
HAD CUL-DE-SAC PREMIUM WHEN THEY SOLD THE.HIS IS A SCHEDULE OF DATES FROM ALL OF THE MEANING HERE AS WE HAVE HAD. COME THROUGH ONE ROUND, GONE TO THE STATE COME BACK AGAIN. FIRST HAD WERE BACK IN MARCH 2020. I ASK STAFF TO CONFIRM.
THEY HAD GONE OUT TO CONFIRM THAT SITES POSTED IN JANUARY 2024 REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SIGNS POSTED AS FAR BACK AS OVER A YEAR AGO ON THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND LONG WAIT TIME WHERE THIS PROPERTY TOUCHES RIGHT AWAY.EZONING, CHANGE USE OF THE LAND IS GOING TO BE GOING IN THERE. I WILL TELL YOU MR. PRESSING, WISER, PROVIDENCE OWNERS THAT BOUGHT ON OLD HILL WAY DID NOT CLOSE UNTIL MARCH AND JULY 2020.
WHAT HAPPENED PRIOR TO PURCHASING HOME.ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THERE AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC'S TOMATO KNOW THAT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THEY MADE THEIR INVESTMENT.
I WILL TELL YOU WRAPPING UP THE OTHER COMMENTS WERE BOUT WHERE THE FACT THAT THE CUL-DE-SAC HAD BEEN FINISHED .
REGARDLESS OF ALL THAT SHOULD BECOME A ME A SIDEWALK NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING HERE. THAT IS REQUIRED.
WE CANNOT LEAVE ANY OF THIS STUFF HAVE EVELOPED.
IF WE NEVER PURCHASE THAT INTO EXTENT, CAN'T LEAVE COUNTY WITH A STOP OUT STREET OR SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE TO DO THAT ALL THE TIME. COME WITH EXTENSIONS, BREAK THE SIDEWALK.ET RID OF ASPHALT. THERE IS STREETLIGHTS GO TO THE WOODS. WHEN WE DID THE JA LAYOUT, CONTEMPLATED, A MANHOLE OUTSIDE WHERE WE HAD TO SET ANOTHER MANHOLE, EXTENDED THE ROAD. A STREET LIKE GOING TO THIS ROAD SHOWING FUTURE CONNECTION. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS IN COURT OF LAW. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS SEEM LIKE WE ARE ASKING TO TRY WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING WAS SOLD APPROPRIATELY OR NOT PROPERLY.
GET AS MUCH INFORMATION SO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE SO YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS SERVICE TO CURRENT RESIDENTS OF OXFORD ESTATES.
WE HAVE DONE, IN OUR OPINION, EVERYTHING I THINK WE KNOW HOW TO DO TO MAKE SURE SOME COMMUNICATION THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. ALL OF THIS AREA IS BEING DEVELOPED IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS LAND. LOOKING FOR THIS BECOMING RESIDENTS, ACCESS ENTRY ONLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MUCH SAFER OPTION THAN ANY OTHER OPTION.
WHETHER IT IS BLOWING OUT A WETLAND OR THE LAND TO THE NORTH, ANOTHER ACCESS ALONG THE PARKWAY.
IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I WILL SAY THIS IN LITTLE TIME I HAVE LEFT. THERE WAS MAP SHOWN OF POTENTIAL DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS WE CAN CONSIDER NOT CONNECT LOTS TO NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAD OUR ENGINEERS ALSO DEVELOPED SIMILAR MAPS.
THE COST AND IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT ALONG THE PARKWAY, ADDITIONAL WETLAND IMPACT.
AMOUNT OF UNLOADED ROAD. AMOUNT OF SHRINKING OF STORMWATER, OR IF WE DO NOT SHRINKING, IMPACT A WHOLE BUNCH OF WETLANDS TO IMPROVE THE STORMWATER.
MADE IT FEASIBLE TO COME A DIFFERENT ROUTE.
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MOST LOGICAL AND BEST PLACE FOR THIS TO BE BROUGHT ON, BROUGHT ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AGAIN 30 LOTS BEING ADDED, 289 LOTS. IT IS APPROPRIATE TO SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS OF EVERYTHING TO THE GET.>> MR. DAY, ON YOUR COMMENTS FOR THE AUDIO.
YOU ARE A LITTLE TALLER ON THE SITE, MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE ALL THAT. THANK YOU.
>> MY APOLOGIES. IN WRAPPING UP, I DO THINK WITH EVERYTHING YOU LOOK AT ALL THE TIME ON THIS, IF THIS IS NOT SAFE, THEN NOTHING WE ARE PROVING TO SAY.
IT'S DEVELOPED THE WAY SUPPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED.
PROVIDING SERVICES AND AMENITIES KIDS WILL NEED.
AND THE ROADS. NOTHING ASKING FROM VARIANCE AND SAMPLING. THIS IS THE WAY ALL THE ROADS ARE DESIGN. I WOULD SAY THIS IS APPROPRIATE. AND IT IS SAFELY DESIGNED AND THE BEST USE FOR THIS LAND. I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS EITHER NOW OR AFTER.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU MR. DAY. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME ON THIS PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT?KAY.
MR. PRESSING. >> GOOD MORNING.
ALMOST AFTERNOON. [NAME] BE CHOSEN TO REPRESENT OXFORD STATES IN OPPOSITION.
>> MR. PRESSING, YOU ARE A TALLER GENTLEMAN.
>> GOT YOU. MANY RESIDENTS HERE SPOKEN TO YOU THROUGH EMAILS, OTHER CORRESPONDENCE TO TESTIFY, THE SECOND TIME HERE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE EXTRA TIME TO SPEAK. THREE MINUTES GOES REALLY FAST WHEN YOU TRY TO GET EVERYTHING IN.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE BEGINNING, I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED WITH MR. DAY'S CONTINUE TESTIMONY TRYING TO BLAME OR PUT THIS ON US FOR NOT KNOWING ABOUT THIS.HIS IS DISCONCERTING. NOT SURPRISING.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, ALL OXFORD ESTATE RESIDENTS BUDGET NEGOTIATOR SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT OR DIFFERENT WAY TO GET THIS DONE THAT CAN RESULT IN NINE, NOT HERE WE DO BELIEVE SOMETHING NOT GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FIRST TOPIC, BRING YOUR ATTENTION DECEPTIVE OF THE BUILDERS, THAT WE PURCHASE A LOT FROM, THERE IS PROVIDENCE AND THERE IS DAVID WEEKLEY.
A LOT OF MY SLIDES IS ONE MR. DAY USE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FEES AND THE EXTRA FEES WE PAID FOR THESE LOTS. SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS PAID IN A GOOD FAITH TO PROVIDENCE AND TO DAVID WEEKLEY FOR THESE LOTS. NOW, MR. DAY CIRCLED CUL-DE-SAC ONE TIME. THE OTHER ONES SAY CONSERVATION LOTS.S IT THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, PROTECT WETLANDS? CONSERVATION LAMP OR ADVOCATE OF COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. EVERYONE IN MY COMMUNITY DOES, TOO. USING THIS AS A TOTALLY FLIP AND SAYING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY.
THEY ARE LABELED, YEAH, ONE CUL-DE-SAC.
NOT QUITE SURE WHERE HE GOT THIS INFORMATION FROM.
NOT SURE IF THIS IS SOMETHING HE SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED TO OR SHOULD HEAD. IT EITHER COMES FROM HUD 1 OR INFORMATION FOR THE BUILDERS. SOMETHING TO THE YOU GUYS TO DECIDE IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO SHOW.
CONSERVATION LAWS TO ME MEANS PROTECTED AREAS THAT HE IS TEARING DOWN. OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET'S GO TO THE NEXT MAP.
NOW, I WOULD SURMISE TO YOU OR ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THIS MAP FROM OXFORD ESTATES FROM DAVID WEEKLEY.
LOOK AT THIS MAP. I FIND THIS POINT THE HORSE BEFORE THE CART LIKE MR. WALDRON SAID.
THIS HAPPENED APRIL 10, 2019, HOW DO THEY KNOW IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? IT'S RIDICULOUS, NOT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS TO
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PROPOSE. THIS IS DECEIVING.SOMETHING THEY WERE DOING, MARKETING SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARKET, I SAID WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? THEY HAD A BIG MAP IN THE WEEKLEY HOME. WE WERE TOLD IT WAS A DONE DEAL. TWO YEARS AGO, A DONE DEAL? NO, OKAY. LET'S GO TO PROVIDENCE HOMES.
OKAY. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT UGLY. I WOULD TAKE THIS MAP, THE MAP I RECEIVED WHEN I LOOKED AT THE HOUSE WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOME.
NOW, WHAT I SEE IN THIS MAP I SEE OLD HILL WAY GOING PAST THE CUL-DE-SAC AND ENDING. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND WHAT COMPARISON TO WHAT DAVID WEEKLEY SAYS.
I SEE UP BLACK MIND THAT STOP CUL-DE-SAC, STOP THE WORD THE BUSH THE ROAD OCCURRING. I SEE GREEN SPACE.
I SEE GREEN SHADE, GREEN SPACE, NOT BUILDING.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.
AT SOME POINT PROVINCE HOME DECIDE TO CHANGE SALE PRACTICES. I THINK THIS IS 2 TO STOP BUILDING IN OXFORD ESTATES. MY PURCHASE WAS THE LAST MONTH THAT PROVIDENCE WAS SELLING. I BOUGHT THE LAST LOT.
I FIND SALES PRACTICE DECEPTIVE, UNETHICAL AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WAS SPENT, EVEN CRIMINAL.
DURING THE LAST BOARD MEETING, MR. DAY RECORDED A CONVERSATION I HAD WITH ASSOCIATED BRENDA HARRIS IN JANUARY 2020.
BRENDA HARRIS TOLD MR. DAY THAT SHE TOLD ME ABOUT PHASE 7, NEED TO GET APPROVED. THIS IS THIRD PARTY HEARSAY.
TOLD YOU IT BRENDA HARRIS TOLD ME IN THAT MEETING IN JANUARY 2020. THE CUL-DE-SAC MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMPLETED, GREEN SPACE, BRIGHT GREEN MAY BE BUILT OUT.
, WHICH IS COMMON SENSE. WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE PRIME REAL ESTATE THEREUPON BUILT, WHICH WE WOULD LOVE.
RIGHT NOW IT AS AN EYESORE. HOWEVER, IN THE SALES OFFICE, WHICH I'M SURE MR. DAY HAD TO GO IN, THIS IS HIS BUILDER.
THEY HAD A HUGE WALL OF THAT BUILDUP ON THEIR WALL.
THEY TOOK ALL THAT GREEN AND MADE IT FURTHER OUT TO REPRESENT TO BE FORESTS, TREES, PROTECTED AREAS THAT WE PAID FOR. WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE
WAS LAST WEEK, WITHIN SEVEN DAYS X THANK YOU.
>> MY WIFE IS THE PHOTOGRAPHER. THAT IS THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF OLD HILL WAY, OUR R CUL-DE-SAC.
THIS CUL-DE-SAC AT OLD HILL WAY HAS A SIDEWALK.
MR. DAY REPRESENTS HE HAD TO DO IT BECAUSE THE COUNTY MADE HIM.
HOWEVER, THIS IS A SIDEWALK THAT IS AT THE END OF WHITEHORSE, SOUTHSIDE CUL-DE-SAC.
THE SIDEWALK IS NOT FINISHED. SO, HIS PREMISE THAT HE HAD TO BUILD A SIDEWALK TO TEAR DOWN BECAUSE HE HAD TO, AND THEN BUILD A SIDEWALK DOWN WHITEHORSE IS NOT ADDING UP.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, MR. DAY PUTS ON US DUE DILIGENCE, WAS GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR DUE DILIGENCE? I ASKED THAT YOU GUYS DO.
HERE THOUGHTS TO CONSIDER. MR. DAY CHOSE BUILDERS, OVERSAW THE CONSTRUCTION OF AMENITY CENTERS AND OTHER PROJECTS
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WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. IT IS APPARENT HE KEPT TRACK OF THE SALES AND WAS WAITING FOR PURCHASE DAY>> INHIBITING FACTORS THAT THE COMPANY WAS HOLDING HIM UP FROM BUYING. THERE WASN'T.
SO HE WAS HEDGING. WHICH WAS FINE.
I BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE AT THE SALES OFFICE.
THE SALES OFFICE WAS THE MODEL HOMES.
SO HE WANTS TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY BUT HE WANTS TO HAVE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. OKAY.
ADDRESSING THE LIGHT POLE. HIS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LIGHT POLE BEING IN THE WOODS IS NOT ACCURATE. IT'S NOT INTO THE WOODS. I ASKED JEA WHEN IT WAS PUT IN.
IT WAS SEPTEMBER 21, 2018. AND I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? AND THEY SAID IT WAS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE LIGHT POLES ON OLD HILL WAY.
THEY PUT IT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD GO ON THE STREET. NOT IN THE WOODS.
NOW TO THE INFAMOUS TO THE LOT. MR. DAY PROPOSED TO BUILD A TOT LOT. . WHAT WE WANTED WAS A GREEN SPACE LIKE IN THE MAP WITH SOME IRRIGATION THAT LOOKS NICE.
HE DIDN'T DO THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.
THIS IS HIS TACTICS. NOW IT SEEMS HE'S HOLDING US HOSTAGE SAYING HE WOULD GIVE US THE GREEN SPACE BACK IF HE GETS THIS APPROVED. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID IN THE PAST.
RIDING BIKES, GO CARTS, EXACTLY. WE DON'T BELIEVE THE SPEED BUMPS WILL DO ANY GOOD. MOST CHILDREN ARE STRUCK EITHER RUNNING OUT BETWEEN CARS. SPEED BUMPS WOULD INHIBIT MORE ACCIDENTS. WE DON'T PREFER THAT.
IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WILL HAVE, WE WILL LIVE WITH THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO INCREASE OR HELP THE SAFETY ISSUES. SAFETY ISSUES NEED TO BE KEEP AWAY FROM OLD HILL WAY. HAVE A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
OLD HILL WAY WILL BECOME IN STATISTICS, 291 TRIPS FROM HOMES. THAT'S 209 TRIPS.
504 TRIPS COUNTY SAYING THAT WILL BE UP AND DOWN OLD HILL WAY. THIS AREA IS FINISHED.
THERE'S ONE LOT LEFT BEING BUILT AS WE SPEAK.
THIS IS NOT LIKE DOWN ON WHITE HORSE.
YOU ARE TAKING A FINISHED PRODUCT AND JAMMING 31 HOMES INTO AND HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES UP AND DOWN THIS ROAD.
IT'S NOT RIGHT. THIS IS A FINISHED FINISHED AREA. OKAY.
JUST REAL QUICK ON SOME OTHER SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT.
I'D LIKE TO READ TO YOU REAL QUICK FROM OUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT THAT I TOOK SOME RECORD REPORTING.
AND I GOT PERMISSION FROM THE RESIDENT TO READ THIS.
ON APRIL 16, 2021, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS HEARD DELIVERY TRUCKS COMING AT 6:15 IN THE MORNING DELIVERING LUMBER.
-- THE SUPERVISOR GAVE HIM THE GATE CODE SO THEY COULD ENTER AS THEY PLEASE. AS IT STANDS, WE ALL USE THE SAME UNIVERSAL CODE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO OUR REMOTES. ON APRIL 1ST, 2021, A RESIDENT STATES WES CAME HOME AND SHE COULD NOT GAIN ACCESS TO THE GATE ON THE WEST SIDE. SHE CONTACTED THE POLICE FOR HELP. THEY COULD NOT GAIN ACCESS EITHER. THE ISSUE CANNOT BE SOLVED UNTIL WE GAIN CONTROL OF HOMEOWNERS. THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS THE CODE
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IS MR. DAY. HE HAD TOIVE GO -- TO GIVE IT TO THE BUILDERS. COMPROMISE.WE HAVE AN OUT OF THE BOX SOLUTION FOR THIS PROBLEM BEING RESOLVED. CONSTRUCTION IS REACHING ALMOST 80% CAPACITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE PROPOSE THAT WE KEEP OLD HILL WAY CUL-DE-SAC LOTS 83 FEET.
A NEW APPROACH WOULD BE TO POTENTIALLY BUILD LARGER LOTS IN THIS AREA. TAKE IT TO A NEW LEVEL.
OXFORD ESTATES, REAL OXFORD ESTATES.
THERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE NORTH THAT WILL PAY GREATLY FOR A NEW HOME. I HAD A NEIGHBOR COME FROM NEW YORK CITY. THEY WERE SO HAPPY TO HAVE GREEN SPACE. WHEN THEY HAVE TRAFFIC COMING BY THE HOUSE, AND THEY PAID $800,000 FOR A CONDO.
NOW THEY'RE PAYING 700,000 DOLLARS FOR A HOME, AND THEY LOVE IT. THERE'S AN ISSUE OF REAL QUICK WITH HAVING A SEPARATE ENTRANCE IN OFF ALONG PINES.
I PROPOSE THAT'S LESS DANGEROUS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE NO. >> THANK YOU.
>> ARE THERE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS? OKAY. GREAT.
OKAY. AT THIS POINT WE'LL OPEN IT UP
TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YEAH, I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIR,
YOU'RE RIGHT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT.
NOW WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO DO ITEMS THREE AND FOUR TOGETHER. IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON ITEMS
THREE AND FOUR, OXFORD ESTATES. >> MR. CHAIR, YOU'VE HAD THE SORT OF THE APPLICANT AND OPPOSITION REPRESENTATIVES SWORN. YOU DO NOT NEED TO HAVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SWORN. YOU MAY.
BUT IT'S NOT REQUIRED. >> JUST BE CLEAR, THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE REPRESENTED
BY MR. PRISSY. >> AND WE'RE BACK TO 3 MINUTES
INSTEAD OF 15 MINUTES. >> GOT IT.
>> PLEASE. >> SHERRY BADGER. 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED HOW YOU HAD THE DEVELOPER AND THE LAWYER SWORN IN.
IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE. BUT THERE'S ONE THING Y'ALL ARE MISSING IN A WHOLE BIGGER PICTURE.
YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR STAFF SWORN IN.
I'VE ASKED FOR THIS IN THE PAST AND IT FELL ON DEAF EARS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNTY COMMISSION NEEDS TO ADDRESS. Y'ALL ARE ALL STEWARDS FOR US.
YOU TOOK A CONSTITUTIONAL OATH. YOUR STAFF CAN GET UP HERE AND FALSELY SAY STUFF AND NOT EVEN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THEN WHEN THEY DO, WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO SAY THEIR NAMES.
SO THIS IS A ISSUE THAT YOU ALL NEED TO ADDRESS AS A BOARD WHY YOU DO HAVE A PUBLIC FORUM. BECAUSE IT'S ONGOING ISSUE.
>> YES, SIR. >> HELLO, GENTLEMEN.
JAMES OLSON, 101 CLARENDEN. I DO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT MY NEIGHBOR SAID. WE MOVED UP HERE.
(SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC). ULTIMATELY WE MOVED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THIS HAS BEEN ENLIGHTENING.
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A COMMISSIONER MEETING.
I'VE NEVER WATCHED ONE. ALL THE THINGS THAT MAKE ST.
JOHNS SO GREAT IS ULTIMATELY WHY WE CAME FROM BOCA.
I WANT TO RAISE MY SON HERE. I WANT HIM TO GO TO THE BEST SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT I WANT TO KEEP HIM SAFE.
WE WERE ON THE IMPRESSION WE'RE ON TWO CUL-DE-SAC ROADS.
SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE SEEMINGLY MISLED.
I'M ALL FOR COMPROMISE. MY SOLUTION IS A SEPARATE ENTRANCE. I REALIZE IT MIGHT NOT BE AS PROFITABLE. BUT IT'S NOT JUST FICTITIOUS CHILDREN ON THESE ROADS. I MEAN, HE'S NOT OUT THERE YET.
HE'S JUST TAKING HIS FIRST STEPS LAST WEEK.
BUT HE'S GOING TO BE OUT RIDING HIS BICYCLE.
HE'S GOING TO BE OUT JETTING IN FRONT OF CARS TO GET THE BASKETBALL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S SAFE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE
>> THANK YOU. >> OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S NOT REPRESENTED BY THE PRESSIE. YES, SIR.
>> I WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS OF OXFORD ESTATES FOR STANDING UP TO THE IMPRESSION OF THE DEVELOPER.
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I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING WITHOUT SWEARING IN THE WITNESSES. WE GOT AWAY FROM SWEARING IN THE WITNESSES WHILE THE DEVELOPERS GOT AWAY WITH DESTROYING WITH BULLDOZERS. I HOPE EVERY SINGLE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING WE EVER HAVE WILL HAVE WITNESSES SWORN.CROSS EXAMINATION WAS THE GREATEST ENGINE FOR DISCOVERY OF TRUTH EVER YET INVENTED. WHEN HE HAVE A CABUKI DANCE, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S BEEN SINCE THE DEVELOPERS TOOK OVER CIRCA 1998 WITH THE ISSUES GROUP. BASED UPON THE TESTIMONY THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, I JUST WANTED TO CALL THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSION AND THE RESIDENTS TO THE FACT THAT THE FLORIDA DECEPTIVE AND UNFAIR TRADE PRACTICES ACT, FLORIDA STATUTE 501.201, APPARENTLY INCLUDES REALTY TRANSACTIONS.
PERHAPS THE COMMISSION, BASED UPON WHAT YOU HEARD, AND PERHAPS THE RESIDENTS BASED UPON WHAT YOU KNOW MAY WANT TO MAKE A -- CIVIL ACTION FOR FRAUD AGAINST THE DEVELOPER BASED AGAINST THE PRIMA FACIE CASE I HEARD HERE. -- SOUTHERN 2ND 1076, 2003.
TOO OFTEN DEVELOPERS COME IN HERE AND THEY COMMIT FRAUD.
THEY COMMIT FRAUD AGAINST THE PUBLIC.
THEY COMMIT FRAUD AGAINST THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
AND OF COURSE THEIR PRECEDENCE IN BOTH MARYLAND AND MISSISSIPPI DATING BACK TO THE EARLY 1800S, LATE 1700S THAT LEGISLATION PROCURED THROUGH FRAUD CAN BE SET ASIDE AS TO THE WRONGDOER.
I CAME TO RESEARCH THAT WHEN I CAME TO LAW SCHOOL IN MEMPHIS.
THE STATE LEGISLATURE WHO LATER WENT TO FEDERAL PRISON WAS TRYING TO STICK A CEMETERY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT IT.
WHEN LEGISLATION IS PROCURED BY FRAUD, IT CAN BE SET ASIDE AS BY A COURT OF EQUITY AS TO THE WRONGDOER.
I WOULD HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD DEFINITELY CROSS EXAMINE THE DEVELOPER AND EXPLORE THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE RESIDENTS. THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN THEIR PRESENTATION. AND I THANK THEM FOR BEING HERE.
AND I THANK THEM FOR STANDING UP TO OPPRESSION.
TOO OFTEN PEOPLE GET TOO CYNICAL.
THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE MAN.
MY FATHER TAUGHT HIM AS JFK TAUGHT HIM, IF YOU DON'T STAND UP TO PEOPLE, THEY'LL WALK ALL OVER THERE.
THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU.
JOE MAC INERNY, ST. JOHNS. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IF WE CAN GET THE OVERHEAD ON, PLEASE. THANKS.
WHEN I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE DID A SHOW, AND CERTAINLY THE NEIGHBORS DO NOT DISPUTE THE CORRECT FILINGS THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS DONE AND MR. DAY HAS SHOWN US SEVERAL OF THE CORRECT FILINGS THAT HE HAS MADE.
AND CLEARLY UP HERE IS THE ARROW THAT SAYS FUTURE PHASE.
THAT'S CIRCLED. CLEARLY WE SAW FROM THE WEEKLY, DAVID WEEKLY VIDEO THAT IT DOES SHOW PHASE 7.
LAST TIME AND AGAIN, TODAY. (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC) THAT THERE IS A STRAIGHT SECTION FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT SHOULD HAVE LED PEOPLE TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE WOULD BE A FUTURE PHASE. BUT I DO PUT IT TO YOU THAT THERE'S A GREATER DUTY ON THE PART OF PROFESSIONALS TO HELP FAMILIES HERE. AND IT IS THEIR GREATER DUTY TO HAVE DONE THAT. THAT THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAPPENED HERE. WE LOOKED THE LAST TIME THAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY ACTUALLY DID GIVE US SOME LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DENY THIS APPLICATION.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS FINISHED. IT'S AN ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT. INCREASED TRAFFIC WILL DETRACT FROM THAT ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT.
SO THERE IS A WAY TO OUTRIGHT DENY IT.
BUT I HAD SENT YOU A LETTER. I HAD SENT THE DEVELOPER A LETTER. I HAD INCLUDED A -- ALMOST A NAPKIN SKETCH, TABLE TOP NAPKIN SKETCH HERE OF A POSSIBLE
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WIN-WIN. THAT THERE WAS A WAY OF ACHIEVING 31 HOMES. SAID THAT THE CURB CUT DID MEET STANDARDS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MR. DAY MEANS WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT. I HAD NOT READ OR HEARD THAT.BUT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THAT THERE WOULD BE A WAY.
YES, THERE ARE SOME WETLANDS THAT'S REDUCED.
YES, THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE IN ROAD CONSTRUCTION.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY MY CONCLUSION IS AS I READ HERE, THESE FAMILIES DID NOTHING WRONG.
IT IS THE GREATER DUTY ON THE PART OF THE PROFESSIONALS TO TELL THESE FAMILIES. IT ISN'T A STREET LIGHT.
IT ISN'T AN EXTENSION OFF OF A CUL-DE-SAC.
IT IS THE GREATER DUTY ON THE PART OF THE PROFESSIONALS TO HELP OUR FAMILIES. AND WITH THAT IN MIND, IN THE LAST 20 SECONDS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I HOPE YOU WILL ASK THIS DEVELOPER TO REDESIGN THIS. BUT IF NOT, IT SHOULD BE DENIED AND IT CAN BE DENIED SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF CASE LAW.
BUT THERE'S A MESSAGE, THERE'S A LINE IN THE SAND IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME JUST TO READ THIS. THERE'S A LINE IN THE SAND THAT THIS COMMISSION CAN DRAW. IT CAN SAY THAT --
>> EXCUSE ME. >> WE RESPECT OUR DEVELOPMENT
>> CAN I WRAP THIS UP? >> QUICK.
>> ETHICAL SALES AND BUSINESS PRACTICES TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
AND WHERE THOSE PRACTICES DO NOT MEET THAT LEVEL, THEY WILL NOT BE AWARDED OR APPROVED OR TREATED --
>> WE GOTTA STICK TO THE THREE MINUTE LIMIT.
>> YES. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM THREE AND FOUR.
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AND MR. MAC INARNY, IF PART OF THAT WAS NOT IN THE RECORD ALREADY, PERHAPS THAT LAST STATEMENT, YOU SHOULD SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. TOM REYNOLDS.
ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. I GOTTA TELL YOU, I LEAN TOWARDS DENYING IT. IT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
COMING BACK HERE. IT JUST SEEMS SOMEBODY WHO'S SAT HERE FOR THE LAST ODD YEARS. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE YOU GOTTA SAY NO. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CASE TO SAY NO. BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, I JUST SLAPPED THE RULES UP HERE. BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU SAY YES OR NO, I RESPECT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE.
I RESPECT HOW HARD THEY WORK. I WISH THEY WOULD NOT REFER TO YOU AS GUYS. I WISH THEY REFER TO YOU AS GENTLEMEN, ELECTED OFFICIALS, COMMISSIONERS.
FOR SOME REASON IT ALWAYS DISTURBS ME WHEN THEY SAY YOU GUYS. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO SOMETHING, IF YOU LOOK ON THE 16 ON YOUR WAY OUT.
I DON'T LIKE WHEN PEOPLE DISRESPECT DEVELOPERS, PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, TOURISTS. I'M REALLY DOWN ON DISRESPECT.
AND THIS BILLBOARD. I KNOW IT'S FREE SPEECH.
BUT GO HOME, WE'RE FULL, THE 904 APP.
I DON'T LIKE THAT. I KNOW SOME OF YOU KNOW THIS GUY. I DON'T LIKE HIM.
HE'S TALK ABOUT SHOOTING TOURISTS BEFORE.
HE'S A BAD APPLE. I KNOW HE INTERVIEWED SOME PEOPLE. I HOPE TODAY THAT YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT BILLBOARD AND CALL 904 HIT PETE UP.
AND SAY, I DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT DISRESPECTS PEOPLE COMING HERE SHOPPING FOR HOMES. PEOPLE COMING HERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THREE AND FOUR? YES, MA'AM.
>> BJ CALLEE WITH CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
YOU LEARN SO MUCH SITTING IN THIS AUDITORIUM.
SOME THINGS MAKE YOU WONDER. THIS PROPOSAL SHOULDN'T BE TRANSMITTED TODAY OR APPROVED. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AGENCY, THE PCA RECOMMENDED APPROVAL ONLY BY FOUR-THREES.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG HERE. THAT'S TOO CLOSE OF A VOTE TO APPROVE SOMETHING. MAYBE THE DEVELOPER CAN COME BACK AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SUGGESTION FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN THIS AREA, THE OXFORD GROUP.
AND I DID COUNT THOSE NAMES. THERE'S 33 PEOPLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NOTICED THERE WERE 33 OF THEM.
BUT I'M GOING TO READ WHAT MR. JOE MAC TRIED TO READ BECAUSE
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I'VE GOT TWO MINUTES NOW. ZERO IN ON IT, PLEASE.IT'S AN INTERESTING STATEMENT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOLDS ETHICAL SALES AND BUSINESS PRACTICES TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
AND WHERE THOSE PRACTICES DO NOT MEET THAT LEVEL, THEY WILL NOT BE REWARDED WITH APPROVAL OR TREATED LIGHTLY.
OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FAMILIES DESERVE THE BEST, AND THAT'S WHY I COME IN HERE AND I AM FOR THE FAMILIES.
I AM AWARE THAT DEVELOPERS AND THEIR LAWYERS WANT TO MAKE MONEY AND THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO COME HERE.
THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. WE CANNOT KEEP HAVING PEOPLE COME HERE. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
WE CANNOT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE STOPPED.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE STOPPED.
BUT WHEN THE DEVELOPERS COME IN AND DO -- MAKE A PRESENTATION, THEY SHOULD STICK TO THAT. THEY SHOULD WORK WITH THE FAMILIES IN THESE DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS.
ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO HAVE LITTLE BABIES COMING IN HERE.
BECAUSE LITTLE BABIES ARE GOING TO GROW UP.
SO I WOULD SAY LET THE DEVELOPER GO BACK AND MAKE THE CHANGES TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS. OR DENY IT.
ANY OTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSION. I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. CAN I GO BACK OR GO FORWARD TO IT. I WANT TO SHOW THE SLIDE ON THE CONSERVATION LOTS. THIS WAS -- I ASKED PROVIDENCE HOMES FOR THEIR SALES SHEET. THIS IS THE SALES SHEET THEY USED FOREVER. THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS DATA.
HE REFERENCED LOT 91 BEING A CONSERVATION LOT.
17, 15, 13, 11, 9, EVERYTHING THAT BACKS UP TO CONSERVATION IS A CONSERVATION LOT. WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THAT CONSERVATION LOT. EVEN MR. PRESLEY'S LOT 21, THE PREMIUM THERE WAS 7,000, NOT THE 24,000 THAT A LOT OF THESE CONSERVATION AND CUL-DE-SAC WERE.
I STILL THINK THAT KIND OF SHOWS WHAT WAS MARKETED AND WHAT WAS SOLD. AND THEN AGAIN ON THE DAVID WEEKLY MAP. IN 2019, WE GAVE IT TO HIM BECAUSE WE HAD NEGOTIATED TERMS WITH MR. HILO THAT NO POINT THAT I THINK THIS WAS A DONE DEAL OR INDICATE TO ANYONE THAT THIS WAS A DONE DEAL. IF THE SERVICE PERSON SAID THAT, ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF WAS THE LAND PURCHASE WAS A DONE DEAL. I KNOW FULL WELL NOTHING IS A DONE DEAL. WE PRESENT IT.
WE TRY TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND YOU GUYS MAKE A DECISION. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF COMMUNICATE. WE'VE BEEN TRYING AS EARLY AS WE HAD INFORMATION WE WERE PUSHING IT OUT TO WHOEVER NEEDED.
THE BUILDERS, THE MAPS, WE HAVE ACCORDED AND EVERYTHING.
THE BRENDA HARRIS WAS MENTIONED. I DID REACH OUT TO THEIR SALES AGENT. AND THEY HAD COMMUNICATED THEY HAD SOME CONVERSATION THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. BUT THEY SHOULD EXPECT SOMETHING TO GO IN AND THE TREES WOULD COME DOWN AND THE HOME WOULD BE BUILT. THE SIDEWALK NOT FINISHED.
STAFFING COMMENT ON THAT. THE SIDEWALK LOTS WERE NEVER FINISHED BECAUSE THEY BUILT THE HOUSE AND THEY PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AFTER THE FACT SO THEY DON'T TEAR IT UP.
ANY PLACE WHERE THERE'S NOT A HOME, WE HAVE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN AHEAD OF TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROCESS AFTER THE FACT TO MAKE SURE. THE PORTION YOU SEE IS WHERE THE HOME IS BUILT. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE A SIDEWALK THERE. THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS OPERATED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS YEARS AGO. IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER AND COME BEFORE YOU.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO DO THIS EARLIER.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE TIMING FOR US.
IT'S NOT A FINISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE BUILDERS ARE STILL BUILDING IN THERE.
IT'S BEEN SAID THIS IS FINISHED. IT'S ESTABLISHED.
IT IS A WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S HOMES NOW.
BUT IT'S NOT FINISHED BY ANY MEANS.
THERE IS A VERY GOOD ALTERNATIVE FOR ANYONE WHO FEELS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN SOLD SOMETHING AND HAVE BEEN LIED TO.
I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE FORUM.
I THINK IF THERE'S A CONCERN OF THAT, THERE'S AVENUES THEY CAN TAKE. I THINK WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED IS APPROPRIATE. I CAN ADDRESS A FEW MORE THINGS OR I CAN END. I DON'T WANT TO GO OVER MY TIME.
>> THAT COMPLETES THREE MINUTES. THE CHAIR OR THE COMMISSIONERS.
>> IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. DO WE WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS NOW?
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OKAY. IF WE COULD, BEFORE WE GO TO THE REST OF THE BOARD. QUICK QUESTION.YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT THAT THERE'S STILL LOTS BEING DEVELOPED. DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY HOW
MANY LOTS? >> YES, TO THE CHAIR, THERE ARE HOMES BEING BUILT. THE LOTS FOR ALL THE OTHER PHASES HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, IN THE SENSE THEY'VE BEEN PLATTED AND ACCEPTED. THERE'S STILL HOMES BEING BUILT.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF HOMES.
I DON'T KNOW. THERE WAS ANOTHER PERSON FROM THE COMPANY. BUT I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER. I KNOW THEY ARE STILL SELLING HOMES WHEN WE TALK TO THE BUILDER.
BUT I DON'T GET UPDATES. >> WE REALLY HAVE TWO STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. ONE STATEMENT THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES THIS IS A COMPLETED, BUILT UP NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THERE ARE HOMES BEING CONSTRUCTED. I WOULD LIKE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION JUST FOR MY BENEFIT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> WHY HAVEN'T YOU FILED FOR A
SCHOOL LETTER? >> WE TYPICALLY HAVE TO HAVE THE LAND USE FIRST. -- WE WILL FILE THAT.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT THE MAX AMOUNT WOULD BE WHEN WE FILE IT IF THERE'S NOT CONCURRENCY. I KNOW THIS AREA HAS A LOT OF GROWTH AND CHILDREN. BUT WE BUILD INTO THE PRO FORMA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PAYING A DECENT AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. THE FIRST STEP IS GETTING THE LAND USE AND ZONING. OR GETTING THE LAND USE DONE.
>> GENERALLY IT'S IN OUR PACKET. IT'S NOT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE IMPACT FEE CREDITS? >> I BELIEVE I'M CORRECT THAT WE HAVE USED UP ALL OF OUR TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY IMPACT FEE CREDITS. WE STILL HAVE SOME SCHOOL IMPACT FEE CREDITS. MY ASSUMPTION IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY IN CONCURRENCY FOR THESE 31 LOTS IS GOING TO EXCEED. THERE WON'T BE AN ABILITY TO TRANSFER WHAT WE HAVE NOW FOR THE FUTURE PHASE.
WE USED UP ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT FEES ALREADY.
WE JUST HAVE SCHOOL IMPACT FEES THAT WE'RE SELLING RIGHT NOW TO
>> I MEAN WHEN IT MAKES A STATEMENT IN A THING THAT THE COUNTY -- DOES YOUR FEES HAVE NOT COVERED THE TRANSPORTATION DEFECTS WE HAVE, OR LACK OF. AND THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE REVENUES TO DO THAT. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>> MY RESPONSE WOULD BE THROUGH THE CHAIR,TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON. IN ST. JOHNS THERE'S TWO PROCESSES. WE WENT THROUGH THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS. HAD TO PAY A CALCULATED AMOUNT.
WE GET CREDITS ON IT. BUT WHAT WAS DETERMINED OUR IMPACT BE TO THE ROADS. WE MADE THOSE PAYMENTS.
THE COUNTY HAS COLLECTED IN EXCESS OF THAT IN IMPACT FEES BECAUSE WE'VE RUN OUT OF THE IMPACT IN THE CREDITS WE HAVE.
THE BUILDER IS STILL PULLING IMPACT FEES.
IN MY OPINION, THE COUNTY HAS -- SPECIFICALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CAUSED. BECAUSE WE HAD GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRAFFIC STUDY FOR CONCURRENCY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN MY OPINION, THERE'S A TWO-FOLD PROCESS THE COUNTY GETS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS AS FAR AS MAKING SURE ANY IMPACT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CREATES IS MITIGATED FOR THROUGH CONCURRENCY AND THE IMPACT FEES.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT'S IN OUR REPORT.
I DON'T KNOW IF JUSTIN HAS SOMETHING.
IS JUSTIN KELLY HERE? >> GOOD MORNING.
JUSTIN KELLY WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
WHAT WAS THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, COMMISSIONER WALDRON?
>> IN YOUR REPORT IT SAYS THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE REVENUE RESOURCES AT THIS TIME -- BE ADEQUATE TO COMPLETE THESE
THAT WAS ADDED AS A PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE WAS NOTHING PROVIDED.
TYPICALLY SOME APPLICANTS DO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF INFORMATION TO US REGARDING CONCURRENCY. TYPICALLY THAT'S HANDLED ONCE
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THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT SIDE WAS TAKEN CARE OF.NOTHING WAS PROVIDED TO US WITH THIS APPLICATION REGARDING THAT.
SO THE STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE READING IS A TYPICAL STATEMENT THAT WE WOULD PUT IN THERE REGARDING CONCURRENCY WITHOUT ANY SORT OF MATERIALS PROVIDED TO STAFF TO REVIEW.
>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS.
MR. DAY, MR. PRESSIE BOTH IN OUR MEETING TODAY SAID YOU WON'T DO THE TOP LOT IMPROVEMENTS UNTIL YOU GET THIS APPROVED.
I THINK IT'S RUBBED SOME IN THE WRONG WAY.
-- AND THAT YOU HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO THE
TOT LOT IMPROVEMENT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THINGS WE WERE PROPOSING. AND WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE OUTCOME OF THIS BEFORE WE DECIDE WHAT TO DO THERE.
IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN AND IT WAS WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT BOUGHT THERE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN OPEN GRASS SPACE. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF TRYING IT FIRST TO DO IT WITHOUT IRRIGATIONS.
WE WEREN'T PUTTING IN A WHOLE JA TAP FOR THAT ONE LITTLE SPOT.
I WILL COMMIT HERE, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER WAY YOU CAN HOLD IT TO ME OTHER THAN I WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD KNOW I'M AN HONEST MAN AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE RECORD. I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL WE MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT STABILIZED TO A POINT WHERE THERE'S GREEN GRASS GROWING AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN SPACE. I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR IT THAT WOULD PREFER IT NOT BE A TOT LOT. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN USED.
I'VE BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE AND THEY'VE HAD BLOW UP SLIDES ON IT FOR PROBABLY A NEIGHBOR'S PARTY. IT IS A SPACE BEING USED.
WHAT WAS COMMUNICATED IS IT WOULD BE -- IT HAS AT TIMES BEEN UGLY AND IT'S NOT HAD GRASS GROWING.
WE'VE BEEN DOING STUFF TO IT. WE DO WANT TO LEAVE IT PRESENTABLE. IT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION TO PUT PLAY EQUIPMENT THERE. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL LOTS AND TRYING TO GIVE AN ADDITIONAL PLACE FOR KIDS TO PLAY.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION OF WALKING AWAY AND LEAVING IT
>> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?
YOU ALSO MADE MENTION THAT THE SPEED HUMPS.
BUT THAT'S ON THE TABLE SHOULD THE NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDE THAT'S
AND I PRESENTED TWO MDP TECHS. ONE WITH SPEED HUMPS AND ONE WITHOUT SO THAT YOU ALREADY HAD THAT IN HAND IF THE DECISION WAS THAT THOSE WOULD NOT -- THE DETRIMENT CAUSED BY ADDING THOSE WOULD OUTWEIGH ANY TRAFFIC CALMING OR SAFETY.
IF THERE WAS AN INTENTION THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, YOU COULD CLARIFY WITH THEM BEFORE MAKING A MOTION.
EITHER ONE IS FINE WITH US. IT WAS REALLY JUST TRYING TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN.
>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS
FOR MR. PRESSIG IF I'M ALLOWED. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> JUST REAL QUICKLY TO THE CHAIR, I DID GET A TEXT BACK FROM SOMEONE IN OUR OFFICE. THE BEST GUESS THEY HAVE IS THERE ARE ABOUT 28 HOMES LEFT THAT ARE STILL IN SOME PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION OR HAVEN'T STARTED. THE BUILDERS OWN AND HAVEN'T
CLOSED WITH HOMEOWNERS. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. 28 HOMES THAT ARE IN SOME STATE
OF CONSTRUCTION. >> OR HAVEN'T STARTED
CONSTRUCTION. >> THIS IS NOT INCLUDING WHAT'S
BEING PRESENTED HERE TODAY. >> CORRECT.
>> CHAIRMAN, REAL QUICK. IF I COULD CLARIFY.
WHEN I WAS SAYING FINISHED COMMUNITY, I'M TALKING ABOUT OLD HILL CLAIREDEN PART OF IT. -- I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY 28 HOMES DOWN ON TO WHITE HAVEN -- I MEAN, WHITE HORSE.
ANOTHER CLARIFICATION, I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM MY WIFE.
THE PHOTO I SHOWED WAS NOT FROM WHITE HORSE.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. WHITE HORSE IS DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IT'S A FINISHED CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. MR. DAY WAS CORRECT.
THAT WAS A DIFFERENT CUL-DE-SAC. WHITEHURST, I DID IT AGAIN.
WE JOKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER. I CAN TELL A JOKE.
IT'S PRETTY FUNNY. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE.
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I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM MY WIFE. THAT WHITE HORSE CUL-DE-SAC IS SAME AS CLAERDON. IT'S DONE.>> I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT.
>> YES, I'M SORRY. >> ALSO, MR. DAY, THANK YOU FOR
YOUR CLARIFICATION. >> THANKS, MR. CHAIRMAN.
YOU MENTIONED THEY MAY NOT WANT THE SPEED HUMPS BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE GET INTO DOING ANYTHING ELSE. DO THEY WANT IT TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS.
BECAUSE DURING THE FIRST HEARING I THINK THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT AMAZON TRUCKS. AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE IT
AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. >> RIGHT.
MY REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY, I'M GOING TO SPEAK FOR THEM.
HOPEFULLY I'M GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR THEM.
EVERYONE I TALKED TO THEY DO NOT WANT THE SPEED HUMPS.
DO NOT. PROBABLY DIFFERENT REASONS.
MAINLY LIKE MR. DAY SAID THE CHILDREN CAN'T PLAY.
IT'S GOING TO CREATE A HAZARD. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE EFFECTIVE IN STOPPING CHILDREN ACCIDENTS.
IT MAY DECREASE THE SPEED OVERALL.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY STUDIES. BUT I DON'T SEE THEM -- WE DON'T WANT THEM. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, DIFFERENT VIEWS OF IT. BUT I CAN MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT WE DO NOT WANT THE SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED HUMPS.
WE JUST WANT A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
WE JUST DON'T THINK OLD HILL WAY IS THE CAPACITY TO TAKE WHAT'S
COMING TO US. >> MY LAST QUESTION, SOMETHING DURING YOUR SWORN TESTIMONY, YOU SAID THE SALES PRACTICE WAS
UNETHICAL AND CRIMINAL. >> I BELIEVE.
>> HAVE THERE BEEN CRIMINAL CHARGES FILED? WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? SWORN TESTIMONY, THIS IS A QUASI
JUDICIAL. >> UNETHICAL WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CIVIL. SOMETHING THEY'VE DONE THAT WE WOULD PURSUE IN CIVIL COURT. I'M SAYING IN MY OPINION, THIS IS OUT THERE, BY MISLEADING US. BY NOT EITHER OMISSIONS OR LIES UNDER THE SALES PRACTICES. I FELT WE WERE LIED TO.
I FELT WE WERE NOT GIVEN THE RIGHT INFORMATION WHEN WE BOUGHT THESE HOMES. THE CRIMINAL ASPECT IS I'M LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION IS ABOUT MONEY LOSS. THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL MONEY LOSS IF WE WERE LIED TO. IF YOU PAID $20,000 AND YOU REACH THAT THRESHOLD FOR PROSECUTION, WHATEVER THAT THRESHOLD IS. I'M JUST MAKING A HYPOTHETICAL.
IT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY EACH OF US HAVE PAID.
MR. DAY SAID I ONLY PAID $7,000. I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
I KIND OF TAKE OFFENSE FOR THAT. WHY HE WAS SINGLING ME OUT FOR PAYING $7,000. THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT DOESN'T WORK.
THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT MAKES PEOPLE ANGRY AND MAKES US NOT WANT TO WORK WITH HIM WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF THIS IS A CRIMINAL PROSECUTION, THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE DEFRAUDED FOR $20,000, THAT'S A CHARGEABLE OFFENSE.
IT ONLY APPLIES -- IT COULD APPLY TO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST OXFORD ESTATES.
I WAS JUST MAKING A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT SHOWS IF IT CAN BE PROVEN, IT CAN BE BROUGHT. OR IT CAN BE BROUGHT AND THEN PROVEN. I THINK THERE'S PRIMA FACIE EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON.
THAT PEOPLE PAID A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WEREN'T BEING TOLD
>> LET ME GO TO THAT ONE. AS YOU KNOW FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME BASED ON THE EVIDENCE WE'VE HEARD, THE PARTIES THAT MADE THOSE REPRESENTATIONS WERE THE BUILDERS. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> ABSOLUTELY. MR. DAY BROUGHT THE BUILDERS SAYING WHERE'S HIS CULPABILITY? UP THE LADDER.
SO WE HAVE THE BUILD -- WE HAVE MS. BRENDA HARRIS REPRESENTING PROVIDENCE. SO SHE'S THE FIRST PERSON.
OKAY. SHE SAYS SOMETHING TO ME.
WHETHER IT'S TRUE AND ACCURATE. WHETHER SHE'S UNINFORMED.
THAT TAKES IT TO ANOTHER LEVEL. THAT TAKES IT TO PROVIDENCE HOMES CEO. BUT WHO BROUGHT PROVIDENCE IN? MR. DAY. SO HE IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT GOES ON, IN MY OPINION. IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE A WALK INTO THERE AND LOOK AND ASK WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN HE'S NOT DOING HIS DUE DILIGENCE. THOSE MODEL HOMES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR OR TWO.
THEY WERE THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
THEY WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO HE SHOULD KNOW THE PRACTICES.
>> FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT IF THERE WAS DECEPTION, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THERE WAS OR WASN'T. I THINK WE'VE HEARD EVIDENCE
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THERE WAS INDICATION THERE WERE. IS THERE A REMEDY -- I DON'T KNOW THAT IT INVOLVES MR. DAY. WE HAVEN'T ASSESSED IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT THERE ARE PARTIES THAT SAY MISREPRESENTATION THAT COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, DO YOU AGREE?>> I AGREE. >> WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT MISREPRESENTATIONS.
ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WOULD BE OUTRAGED IF WE HAVE BOUGHT PROPERTY -- AND WE ALL HAVE BOUGHT PROPERTY HERE HOPEFULLY, AND WE'RE MISLED. THAT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT WE WOULD ALL BE UPSET ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THERE'S BEEN PRESENTATION ABOUT MISREPRESENTATION.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYONE POINT TO ANYONE AND SAY HE -- IT'S WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
>> I AGREE, TOTALLY, YES. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. LET'S GO TO LEGAL.
YOUR OPINION. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
ONE OF OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS I THINK KIND OF REFERRED TO MR. PRESSING AS AN ATTORNEY. I WOULD LIKE TO PROTECT MR. PRESSING'S REPUTATION. HE'S NOT AN ATTORNEY.
>> THAT'S A HORRIBLE ACCUSATION. >> HE IS NOT THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY THERE.
HE IS THEIR DESIGNATED REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS.
I WOULD ALSO SAY AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. PRESSING'S DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WAS CRIMINAL, WHAT WAS NOT CRIMINAL, ET CETERA, I DON'T HAVE A BASIS. AS YOU REFERRED, MR. CHAIR, I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH OF THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMEWHAT OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD.
YOU'RE NOT HEARING FROM A LAWYER ON THE LEGAL ASPECTS AND WHAT
QUALIFIED OR NOT. >> PATRICK, DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. MR. PRESSING HAS A BACKGROUND.
I APOLOGIZE WITH THE FALSE ACCUSATION OF BEING AN ATTORNEY.
NO ONE WOULD WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF THAT.
BUT I THINK OUR BOARD CAN KIND OF WEIGH THAT SPECIFICALLY BASED ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED.PI APPREC THOUGH.
IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
ANYTHING FURTHER FROM MR. DAY? COMMISSIONER SMITH? OKAY.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER?
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
ON ITEM 3, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021.
>> 33. >> BASED ON FOREFINDINGS OF THE FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
>> OH, I'M SORRY. COMMISSION WALDRON.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE OFF LONG LEAF PINE.
MAINLY FOR THAT AND SAFETY DURING FIRES.
THAT YOU COULD HAVE AN EXIT. AN EMERGENCY EXIT BETWEEN THE TWO SUBDIVISIONS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE MY
REASON ON THE RECORD. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. PLEASE VOTE.
>> ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES 3-2.
>> ON ITEM 4, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021.
>> 34. >> BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT
AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A -- EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> MR. CHAIR, I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY AS I THINK I HAD UNDERSTOOD THE PROPOSED MDP IF THIS IS APPROVED WILL NOT INCLUDE THE SPEED HUMPS, IS THAT
THE UNDERSTANDING? >> THAT WAS INTENT OF MY MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
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>>> OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO RECONVENE AT THIS TIME AT 1:15. JUST VERY BRIEFLY, ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD A BIT OF AN
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EMERGENCY. HE'LL BE HERE LATER.KEEP HIM IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE JOINING US SHORTLY. LET'S SEE HERE.
OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER.
SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO OUR DISCLOSURES ON THIS.
SO LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON FEBRUARY 11, 2021 AT 12:30 IN THE OFFICE, I MET WITH LINDSAY HAGA WITH SOMETHING ELSE BUT I BELIEVE SHE MADE MENTION THIS APPLICATION WOULD BE COMING IN THE FUTURE. AND AGAIN ON APRIL 14, 2021, WE MET IN THE OFFICE TO DISCUSS ANOTHER PROJECT.
BUT SHE MADE MENTION THIS WOULD BE COMING FORWARD AT A LATER DATE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> MR. SMITH. >> SIMILAR TO ME.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE EXCEPT MS. HAGA CALLED ME FRIDAY. I THINK WE DISCLOSED IT THE LAST TIME WE HAD INTERFACE ABOUT THIS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. I DO NOT HAVE ANY RECORD OF MEETING ON THIS PROJECT OR ANYTHING TO DISCLOSE AT THIS
WELL THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS LINDSAY HAGA, I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH ENGLAND-THIMS AND MILLER. WITH ME IS CYNTHIA MAY AND WE'RE REPRESENTING THE TEAM. THIS PROJECT IS FAMILIAR TO US BECAUSE WE CONSIDERED IT EARLIER, IT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR IN FEBRUARY THE LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, AND THEN THE DRI MODIFICATION THAT CHANGED THE COLOR OF THE FUTURE MAP ON 71 ACRES AND ANNEXED IT TO THE DI.
THERE ARE NO INCREASES OF ANY UNITS OR ANY INCREASE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CHANGE.
THE SLIDE I'M SHOWING HERE IS THE ANNEXATION.
THE YELLOW PIECE THAT'S POPPING UP IS WHERE THE 71 ACRES ARE LOCATED. ALL THE UNITS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR TRAILMARK WILL BE SHARED. A PORTION OF THOSE SHARED OVER THAT ADDITIONAL LAND. WE'RE HAVING INTERNAL CONNECTIONS, AND THIS IS PARCEL 16 IN THAT DRI.
IN THE TEXT UPDATING ALL THAT SITE STATISTICS REFLECTING THE ADDITIONAL UPLANDS AND THE ADDITIONAL PRESERVATION OCCURRING ON THE SITE. TUCKED IN IS A PORTION TO QUALIFY THAT THE REGULATION ALLOWING WHAT'S CALLED PERMISSIBLE -- IT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT ENUMERATED EITHER IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR PUD TEXT.
OUR PUD ALSO ADDRESSES AND LIMITS ALL VEHICULAR ACCESS TO COME INTO THE LANDS. IT'S INTERNAL ONLY.
AND THAT WE SHOW DEVELOPMENT EDGE ON THE PROPERTY.
REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS THAT COLORIZED GLAMOUR MAP THAT YOU SEE. THE INTERNAL CROSS SECTION.
DEVELOPMENT EDGE WHERE THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THIS PLAN IS SHOWING POORLY, BUT WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO REFLECT IS THE NUMBER OF LOTS THAT ARE INTENDED TO BE BUILT. FILL IN GOING IN WITH INCREMENTAL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
THAT ARE LABELED FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THESE AREAS.
WE ARE WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, SO WE HOSTED ANOTHER NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING. THIS TIME WE HELD THAT BOTH
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IN-PERSON AND VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE CUSP OF RETURNING BACK TO NORMAL. OVER 20 FOLKS ATTENDED.THEY WERE MAINLY THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WANTED TO ASK GREG ABOUT THE PROGRAMMING. ARE THEY GOING TO DO ANYMORE SURVEY. I SPENT TIME TO TALK WITH THEM WHERE THEIR LOTS, DOES THIS CHANGE ANY OF THE AREAS THEY'RE USED TO. WE SPENT SOME TIME MOVING AROUND THE MAP ON THAT POINT. AGAIN, THE PROJECT SUMMARY, WE'RE JUST CARRYING FORWARD WITH THE ITEMS WE ADDRESSED BACK IN FEBRUARY. ADDING IN THE ONE.
THERE IS A SPECIFIC WAIVER FOR US TO ADD IN THAT TERM OF ART THAT COVERED PORCHES ARE PERMISSIBLE ADDED ENCROACHMENTS.
WE AREN'T INCREASING ANY UNITS. PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY HEARD IT EARLIER THIS MONTH AND THEY'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF OUR REQUEST. I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. AND SO IS GREG AND STACY AS
AT THIS TIME LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AND OPEN THIS UP
FOR PUBLIC COMMENT >> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. TRAILMARK ITEM 6.
NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
ED SLAVEN. THROUGH THE CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE DEVELOPER IDENTIFY EVERY SINGLE BENEFICIAL OWNER AND INVESTOR IN THIS PROJECT.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE HOW DO WE KNOW UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 112313 WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
I'VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION OF DEVELOPERS EVERY YEAR, NOT ONCE HAS ANYONE RESPOND. WE NEED TO KNOW.
PROCEDURALLY, I THOUGHT THE RULE IN AMERICAN LAW IS THAT CORPORATIONS HAVE TO BE REPRESENTED BY A LAWYER.
UNLESS MS. HAGA IS THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT, THERE SHOULD BE A LAWYER THERE NOT HER. DON'T YOU AGREE? HOW IS IT THAT A NON-LAWYER GETS TO REPRESENT A CORPORATION? THAT THE LAWYER DOESN'T OWN -- OR THAT THE NON-LAWYER DOESN'T OWN. THESE ARE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO BE ASKING. BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THE RECORD OF ST. JOHNS COMMISSION IS NOT A GOOD ONE IN TERMS OF PROTECTING THE PUBLIC INTEREST. IT'S NOT A GOOD ONE IN TERMS OF HEARING PUBLIC CONCERNS. YOUR LAST VOTES PROVE THAT.
SO CAN WE PLEASE IDENTIFY AND HAVE A FORUM FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, FROM THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AS THEY CALL IT. ASKING EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO ASKS FOR A FAVOR FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN TERMS OF LAND USE, IDENTIFY THE OWNERS OF THE PROJECT.
BECAUSE THEY USE THESE SECRETIVE LLCS.
AND ONE OF YOU EVEN BRAGS ON YOUR LAWFIRM WEBSITE ABOUT SETTING UP LLCS. THERE'S TOO MUCH SECRECY.
ABSOLUTELY TOO MUCH SECRECY. WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWN THESE PROPERTIES. FOREIGN INVESTORS.
BEN RICH WHO WAS COUNTY COMMISSIONER SOME TIME BACK TOLD ME THAT BASICALLY THE SCHEME IS THE PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE A HIGH GROWTH RATE SEND THEIR MONEY OVER HERE AND THEY HIRE LAWYERS AND HIRE DEVELOPERS. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO CALL YOURSELVES A DEVELOPER.
THIS IS SHAMEFUL, FOLKS. THE PUBLIC INTEREST IS NOT BEING SERVED. WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS REQUESTING THESE FAVORS. AND WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF DECENT DISCLOSURE. DOES THIS REALLY SATISFY YOU AS COMMISSIONERS? YOU GET ELECTED AND YOU BASICALLY SERVE AS RUBBER STAMPS.
STAFF DOES ALL THE WORK. STAFF -- THE COMMISSIONERS USED TO HAVE LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANTS UNTIL 2008.
AND MICHAEL DAVID GOT THAT ABOLISHED.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU OUGHT TO HAVE SERVICES TO GO THROUGH BOOKS THAT ARE THIS TALL. WE'RE NOT SERVING THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND SHE'S NOT A LAWYER.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THESE PROJECTS.
COULD IT BE RUSSIA? UKRAINE? WE DON'T KNOW. IS THERE CORRUPTION? WE NEED TO KNOW MORE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.
DOES MS. HAGA NEED TO BE A LAWYER?
>> IN MY OPINION, NO. I THINK IF THIS WERE IN A CIRCUIT COURT, IT WOULD NEED TO -- A CORPORATION WOULD NEED BE TO REPRESENTED. I DON'T THINK IT'S TRUE IN SMALL CLAIMS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE IN
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A QUASI JUDICIAL. >> I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT EITHER. THANK YOU.
WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'LL MOVE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D BE GLAD TO MOVE THIS.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2000 -- 2021-03 SIX MILE CREEK --
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
[7. Public Hearing * REZ 2021-06 920 Francis Street.]
ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.
THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER. WE'LL HAVE DISCLOSURES.
MR. SMITH. >> I HAVE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> MR. VICE CHAIR DEAN. >> NONE.
>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL.
GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I LIVE AT 920 FRANCIS STREET.
AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS PROJECT REZONE 2021-06 920 FRANCIS STREET. THE ISSUE WE HAVE HERE SAID MY PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY ZONED AS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS3.
WE WANT TO MAKE RENOVATIONS TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND ALL THE OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF MY PROPERTY HERE. IT'S IN THE CORNER OF FRANCIS STREET AND JOSIAH. THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, AND I'M IN THE COUNTY. THIS NEXT MAP SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE PROPERTIES IN MY AREA.
YOU SEE MY HOUSE THERE IS PLANNED FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.
PROPERTY. BUT THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING.
I'M THE ONLY PROPERTY THERE THAT'S COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ZONED IN THIS SLIVER OF LAND ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL AS EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF MY HOME AND ALL THE SURROUNDING HOUSES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL. THERE'S NO INDUSTRY THERE AT ALL. THIS CURRENT SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY DONE THIS YEAR SOME TIME IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH.
SOME TIME AROUND THERE. WE'D LIKE TO RENOVATE THE GARAGE. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE HOME AND THE GARAGE. OH, THIS -- I ALSO SPOKE IN FRONT OF THE PZA ON MAY 16TH OF THIS YEAR.
THEY APPROVED MY SUGGESTION FOR REZONING OF THE PROPERTY BY A VOTE OF 5-0. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7, REZONING OF FRANCIS STREET.
PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, BACK
TO THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR.
PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY COMMENT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MOVE THIS.
>> PLEASE, MR. SMITH. >> MOTION -- APPROVING REZONING 2021-06 920 FRANCIS STREET TO REQUEST REZONING LAND FROM COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS-3 BASED UPON FOREFINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
[8. Public Hearing * CDD AMD 2021-03 Premium Pointe.]
ANY QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.OKAY. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. YES, SIR.COME ON UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MIKE EKERT, I WORK WITH HOPPING GREEN, AND SAMS. I'M JUST HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE PREMIUM POINTE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE OUR NAME. IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE IT TO THE ELEVATION POINTE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT INSTEAD OF THE PREMIUM POINTE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
>> IS THERE A REASON FOR THE NAME CHANGE?
>> YEAH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT ANY CONFUSION IN THE MARKETPLACE BETWEEN OTHER PROJECTS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN
UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. >> WE'LL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 8. AGENDA ITEM 8.
PREMIUM POINTE. >> AND BEFORE OUR PUBLIC COMMENT, I WILL REMIND THE BOARD THAT WHEN THE CDD WAS APPROVED, I THINK THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE AT THAT TIME INDICATED THEY WERE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A NAME CHANGE.
SO IT WAS NOT A BIG SURPRISE TO DO THAT.
>> ED SLAVEN. WHY DO THEY PUT AN E ON THE END OF THESE PRETENTIOUS DEVELOPMENTS.
AND WHY WON'T THE OWNER TELL YOU WHO THESE INVESTORS ARE? IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? CAN WE HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE OF EVERY SINGLE INVESTOR UNDER EVERY PROJECT YOU CONSIDER.
OTHERWISE HOW DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR NOT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.
>> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021---
>> 37. >> CONSENTING TO THE PREMIUM POINTE CDD REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DISTRICT'S NAME FROM PREMIUM POINTE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO ELEVATION POINTE
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
OKAY. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW, COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A MEDICAL ISSUE.
AND HE IS DELAYED GETTING BACK TO THE MEETING.
SO I'D LIKE TO WITH AGENDA ITEM 9, CONSENSUS WITH THE BOARD IS GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK AND DO THAT.
[10. Public Hearing * Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment - Workforce Housing Zoning District (Transmittal).]
IF WE CAN MOVE TO MAYBE -- IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, IF EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT TO MOVE TO 10 AND 11.I THINK THAT WILL GIVE COMMISSIONER WALDRON AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I KNOW HE'S HAD MEETINGS IN THE SOUTH. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET HIS PER-I. -- PERSPECTIVE. IS THERE AGREEMENT? LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.
OKAY. >> THAT WAS GOOD TIMING.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, JOE CEARLEY, PROJECT MANAGEMENT. SPECIFICALLY AMENDMENTS POLICY A.1.11.1M. IT ALLOWED FOR FLEXIBLE DESIGN STANDARDS WITHOUT THE NEED TO REZONE IF 40 UNITS WERE SOLD AT A MAXIMUM SALES PRICE OF $210,000.
AT THE TIME IT WAS PROJECTED THAT THE $210,000 SALES PRICE FOR MODERATE INCOME CATEGORY. ON APRIL 6TH THIS YEAR, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO REMOVE THE $210,000 MAXIMUM SALES PRICE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND REPLACE IT WITH A FORMULA THAT WOULD FLUCTUATE. AMENDMENT THAT FIGURE.
CURRENTLY IT REQUIRES FOUR HEARINGS, AND THEN TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE, AND THEN PZA FOR ADOPTION.
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$210,000 TO $240,000 TO REFLECT THE RECENT RISE IN CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. I THINK AT THE MEETING AT THE ADVICE OF COMMISSIONER DEAN OR COMMISSIONER WALDRON A FORMULA THAT TIES IN TO SOME METRIC THAT FLUCTUATES WITH THE EBB AND FLOW OF THE MARKET AND THAT WE PLACE IT WITHIN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THOSE SUGGESTIONS IS ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME, CONSTRUCTION PRICING INDEX.AND THAT FORMULA WOULD JUST BE A PERCENTAGE OF THAT INDEX WHICH WOULD GET US TO THE $210,000 OR $240,000 FIGURE.
SO ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECEIVED FROM THE AGENCY STAFF WILL PROVIDE CODE LAND -- FOR ADOPTION.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.
I BELIEVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION STAFF NEED SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT TO USE. THE OTHER POLICY DECISION WOULD BE IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE $240,000 AS SUGGESTED.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10 WORKFORCE
HOUSING ZONING DISTRICT. >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND WE STRONGLY REQUEST THAT YOU MOVE THIS FORWARD EVEN SINCE WHEN IT FIRST GOT BROUGHT FORWARD. MATERIALS ARE EVEN HARDER TO GET AND EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE. THIS WILL GET SOME RELIEF.
AND MY PROJECT THAT I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU WAS WORKFORCE HOUSING. IF THIS DOESN'T GET PASSED, I'LL TELL YOU THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK AND I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET A PUD. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN BRING THOSE UNITS FORWARD.
>> ED SLAVEN. SO THERE'S AN OLIGOPOLY IN THE LUMBER INDUSTRY. THERE'S BEEN MAJOR ANTITRUST ACTIVITY IN THE LUMBER INDUSTRY. WHAT DO THE REPUBLICANS IN ST.
JOHNS COMMISSION WANT TO DO? CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE.
THE PRICE YOU PUT IN HERE IS NOT AFFORDABLE.
NOW HAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BEEN DELEGATED ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANY RESEARCH OR TO WORK WITH ANY GOVERNMENTAL GROUPS, COUNTIES, CITY ATTORNEYS, PROSECUTORS, ATTORNEYS GENERAL, ANTI-TRUST DIVISION, FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION, TO RESEARCH THE MARKET AND FIND OUT WHY LUMBER PRICES HAVE INCREASED SO MUCH.
AND SEE IF POSSIBLY UNDER THE TRUST IMPROVEMENTS ACT OF 1976, MAYBE WE CAN FILE AN ANTI-TRUST LAWSUIT AND STAND UP FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
NO, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSE. IT WAS NEVER AFFORDABLE AT THE PRICE OF HAVING THIS ORDINANCE. AND NOW IT'S EVEN WORSE.
BECAUSE WHY? WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO WHAT POWERFUL PEOPLE WITH MONEY WANT DONE.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC INTEREST. WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO ASK THE PUBLIC ATTORNEY TO DO SOME ANTI-TRUST RESEARCH.
THE ACT OF 1976, MAYBE CHECK WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS DO WHATEVER THE PEOPLE WITH MONEY WANT, AND YOU NEVER DO ANYTHING TO HELP THE PEOPLE? IT'S AN EMBARRASSMENT.
IT'S A DISGRACE. IT'S A STENCH IN THE NOSTRILS OF THE NATION. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU AMENDMENT THIS MOTION AND DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH. ANTI-TRUST LAW.
WHAT ARE THE REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION, VIS-À-VIS, THE LUMBER INDUSTRY. I'M SURE HE COULD DO A REALLY GOOD MEMO. HE'S ONLY GOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE HE LEAVES OFFICE. I THINK HE'D SURPRISE YOU BY WHAT HE COULD PRODUCE. WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM? WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM TO DO HIS JOB FOR A CHANGE? AND WHY DON'T WE PROTECT THE PUBLIC FOR A CHANGE TAKING ON THE LUMBER INDUSTRY ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS COMMUNITY.
YOU SWORE AN OATH SEVERAL TIMES. LET'S DO IT TODAY.
LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS OLIGOPOLY.
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LET'S DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE LUMBER INDUSTRY AND THEIR MARKET POWER. AND LET'S ENFORCE THE ANTI-TRUST LAWS. EVERY CONTRACT COMBINATION OR CONSPIRACY IS HEREBY DECLARED TO BE ILLEGAL.THAT'S BEEN THE LAW SINCE 1890. IT WAS ADOPTED BY REPUBLICANS.
LET'S DO SOMETHING TODAY. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10?
>> BJ CALATI WITH CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.
-- REPLACES IT WITH A METRIC FORMULA.
WHAT EXACTLY IS THE METRIC FORMULA? AS STATED BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PZA, MR. MATOVINA IN AN EMAIL DATED MAY 18, 2020 AT 7:30 A.M., HE WANTED TO QUICKLY ADJUST THE SALES PRICE WITHOUT A CHANGE. HE ALSO STATED IN HIS EMAIL A SECOND STORY DRIVES UP THE PER SQUARE FOOT COST.
THE COST OF MANY ITEMS ARE GOING UP, NOT JUST LUMBER.
THIS ORDINANCE WILL NOT RESOLVE IN WORLD CLASS LIVING FOR WORKERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS MORNING FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT FOR THEM, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE REALLY WORKING AND THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD THIS EITHER. IT SEEMS TO BENEFIT THE BOTTOM LINE OF DEVELOPERS, BUILDERS, WHILE CLAIMING TO BUILD WORKFORCE HOUSING. BESIDES COMMISSIONER SMITH, WILL ANY COMMISSIONER TELL US WHAT THE PRICE FOR A WORKFORCE HOUSE WOULD BE USING TODAY'S PRICES AND THE METRIC FORMULA, WHATEVER THAT IS. IF NOT, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO PRETEND TO CARE ABOUT WORKERS.
THIS ORDINANCE WILL REDUCE THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH IS WHAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT.
REQUIRED PER FLORIDA STATUTE 1.63.314.
THEREFORE, THIS TRANSMITTAL SHOULD BE DENIED.
AND ONE DEVELOPER JUST GOT UP HERE AND ARE BUILDING WORKFORCE SUPPOSEDLY ON STOKES LANDING UP THERE.
WHERE THE LEMURS ARE SCREAMING ALL OVER THE PLACE.
NOW IS THAT DEVELOPER GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRICE IT AT $210,000 OR $240,000 OR $150,000 OR WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS ORDINANCE SAY? ONE AND ONE IS TWO. WHAT IS YOUR METRIC FORMULA, CAN ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM, INCLUDING MR. JOE CEARLEY TELL US WHAT A HOUSE WORKFORCE WILL COST AT U.S. 1 IN STOKES LANDING.
MAYBE THE DEVELOPER CAN COME UP HERE, OR CRICK SHANE NEXT TO THE SCHOOL. DR HORTON, AND THIS DEVELOPER IS GOING TO GET WAY WITH HOW MUCH CHARGING FOR THESE "WORKFORCE HOUSING." AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I THINK THE PUBLIC IS BEING BAMBOOZLED ABOUT WHAT A WORKFORCE -- BAMBOOZLED IS A GOOD WORD. WHAT THE WORKFORCE DESCRIPTION IS REALLY ABOUT. AND TO SIT HERE AND PASS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE, IS WRONG.
>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.
ONCE AGAIN, THIS KEEPS GOING UP AND UP AND UP.
I AM PART OF THE WORKFORCE. I WORK FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLS. I MAKE $17,000 A YEAR.
A 30-YEAR TEACHER MAKES $61,000 A YEAR.
AT THIS PRICE, YOUR RENT WOULD BE $1,600 TO $2,000 A MONTH ON THAT KIND OF INCOME. SO Y'ALL REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT -- AND NOT TAXING US OUT OF OUR -- OF THE WORKFORCE OUT LIKE KEY WEST DID. WHEN KEY WEST DEVELOPED ALL THEIR PROPERTY, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE FOR THE WORKFORCES.
THE TEACHERS COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE ON THE ISLANDS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING TO THIS COUNTY SOON.
WE HAVE NO INFRASTRUCTURE. IT TAKES YOU 35 MINUTES TO GET ACROSS TOWN. IF YOU'RE GOING ACROSS TOWN.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE BACK ROADS.
PEOPLE KNOWING THE BACK ROADS GET ON THEM AND GO 45 MILES AN
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HOUR. RIDE YOUR TAIL GOING DOWN MASTERS DRIVE WHERE YOU DO HAVE SPEED HUMPS, WHERE IT IS A 25-MILE AN HOUR. Y'ALL ARE OVER STRESSING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT IS. NOW YOU'RE SAYING WORKFORCE HOUSING IS $250,000? THAT'S CRAZY.Y'ALL NEED TO DO THE MATH. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SHERRY. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10. I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC
BACK TO THE BOARD HERE. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION.
>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS REVISING POLICY A.1.11.1.M SUBJECT TO THREE FINDINGS OF
> CAN WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD?
>> I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY ADDRESSING SORT OF THE COMMENTS BEING MADE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD TO DECIDE BETWEEN FOOD AND GAS MONEY TO GET TO WORK TO EARN MORE MONEY TO HOPEFULLY BUY MORE FOOD. SO THE BUILDERS HAVE COME TO US AND SAID THEY CAN'T BUILD THIS PRODUCT AT THE PRICE POINT THAT EXISTED. SO IN AN EFFORT TO TRY AND SERVE THE WORKING CLASS, THE WORKING COMMUNITY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS IS SORT OF WHAT WE'RE LEFT WITH.
WITH THE LUMBER PRICES, MATERIAL COST OF LIVING INCREASES.
I WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THIS IS AN EFFORT TO SERVE THAT COMMUNITY AND CERTAINLY NOT AN EFFORT TO HURT THEM.
LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I'LL JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT IT. NUMBER ONE, THIS IS THE FIRST BITE OF THE APPLE. THIS IS TRANSMITTAL.
THIS IS NOT AN APPROVAL. SECONDLY, WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US, WE WERE SEEING A SPIKE IN A LOT OF MATERIAL COSTS.
THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. RIGHT NOW YOU'VE SEEN -- LUMBER FUTURES ON MONDAY TRADED LESS THAN $1,000 PER SQUARE THOUSAND BOARD FEET. IN EARLY MAY, THAT WAS $1,600 PER THOUSAND BOARD FEET. YOU'VE SEEN A REDUCTION IN A SHORT TIME ON FUTURES. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF WE'RE SEEING HIKES IN EVERY ASPECT OF OUR INDUSTRIES BECAUSE OF LABOR SHORTAGES, SHORTAGES OF MATERIAL.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGING THAT.
I WILL VOTE FOR THIS TODAY. I WILL TRANSMIT IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE IN REGARD TO IT.
YOU HAVE A SUPPLY AND DEMAND CURVE.
AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO MOVE TO FLORIDA TO DRIVE THE PRICES UP.
WE ALSO HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE GOBBLING LOWER INCOME HOUSES UP. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS PLAYING INTO FACTOR HERE THAT ARE CERTAINLY DRIVING HOUSING COSTS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE LOOK AT AND I SAY WE CAN'T CONTROL, AND THINGS WE CAN CONTROL. THIS IS ONE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IN REGARD TO MAKING SOMETHING THAT HAS LESS REGULATORY INPUT TO MAKING PRICE PRODUCT THAT IS VERY -- THAT IS LOWER THAN MARKET PRICE, I WON'T SAY MARKET PRICE, LOWER THAN WHAT WOULD BE AVERAGE PRICE. AND THEN HENCE, PROVIDE FOR SOMEBODY THAT MAY NOT BE FROM HERE.
THAT'S MY GREATEST CONCERN. WE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE TALKED ABOUT TARGETING A SPECIFIC GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, AND YET, THAT'S SOMETIMES NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE CAN TARGET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN REGULATE AND LEGISLATE THAT. SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS A VERY POWERFUL THING. OLIGOPOLIES WERE MENTIONED.
THAT PLAYS INTO OUR SYSTEM. THAT'S NOT JUST LUMBER EITHER.
THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS WELL INSIDE OF OUR ENTREPRENEURIAL CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM.
NONETHELESS, WE WILL VOTE FOR IT TODAY.
>> COMMISSIONER. >> JUST A BRIEF COMMENT.
I SEE THIS AS AN EITHER OR. EITHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT AT $210,000.
OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME BUILT AND MAYBE SOME ABLE TO AFFORD IT. BUT IT'S BETWEEN ZERO AND MAYBE
[11. Public Hearing * Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment - Family Farms (Transmittal).]
SOME UNITS. THAT'S WHY I WAS A PROPONENT FOR THIS AND WHY I'LL BE VOTING FOR IT.WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4-0.
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LET'S GO MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.>> ONCE AGAIN, JOE CEARLEY OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
THIS IS ALSO A TRANSMITTAL ITEM FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT SPECIFIC AMENDMENT POLICIED A 161, A 162, A 163, A 1 SCOUR FAMILY FARMS. IT ALLOWS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRACKS OR PARCELS OF LAND TO CONSTRUCT OR PLACE MULTIPLE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS FOR MEMBERS OF THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY.
THE AGRICULTURAL INTENSIVE LAND USE REQUIRES 31 ACRES.
AND THE RURAL CIVILCULTURE DO NOT MEET THIS MINIMUM LOT ACREAGE REQUIREMENT. THEY'RE CONSIDERED EXEMPT TO PARTICIPATE IN FAMILY FARM PROVISION OR BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. IT IS A ONE TIME USE FOR FAMILY FARMS OR AGRICULTURAL USES. FAMILY FARMS CAN DEED OFF PARCELS FOR SEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS.
IF YOU HAVE BROTHERS SISTERS, THEY CAN SIGN OFF AFFIDAVITS.
WE'VE HAD A FEW SITUATIONS WHERE IF A FAMILY MEMBER PASSES AWAY, OTHER MEMBERS MUST TAKE ON THE MORTGAGE OR THE DEBT, AND THEY CAN'T DO SO. AND ALSO SEVERAL MEMBERS WANT TO MOVE OFF THE PARCEL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT.
SO THEY END UP SELLING TO SOMEONE OUTSIDE THE FAMILY.
THAT IS IN VIOLATION -- THEY NEED TO FILE A COMPREHENSIVE -- IN ESSENCE IS CREATES A LEGAL SUBDIVISION OF LAND ONCE IT'S SOLD OUTSIDE OF THE FAMILY. DIRECTED STAFF TO PROVIDE RELIEF TO THESE FAMILY FARMS. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD SUNSET SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE LAST AFFIDAVIT WAS SIGNED.
-- EXEMPT PARCELS AND -- IF THEY WERE DETERMINING SEVEN YEARS SAY THE MOTHER AND FATHER START THE FAMILY FARM.
THEIR DAUGHTER GETS A DWELLING UNIT, SIGNS THE AFFIDAVIT, THREE YEARS LATER. IT'S SEVEN YEARS THAT TERMINATES -- REQUIRE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE. A LOT OF THEM ARE OPEN RURAL WHICH IS 1 ACRE. THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE ONE ACRE SET ASIDE FOR THOSE. ONCE TERMINATED, THEY'D BE PROHIBITED FROM EVER CREATING A FAMILY FARM AGAIN.
I PROVIDED JURISDICTIONAL RESEARCH AND THE STAFF REPORT THAT SHOWS PARCEL, MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
WE FOUND ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS PRETTY STRINGENT.
SO STAFF HAS SUGGESTED REDUCING THE AI FROM 39 ACRES TO 29 ACRES -- THIS PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY AND ALLOW THEM -- I PROVIDED TWO MOTIONS HERE. I'M SURE THERE'S DISCUSSION ON THIS AND STAFF IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN
THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11, THE FAMILY FARM COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
ITEM 11. SEEING NONE, BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> OKAY. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I'LL MOVE THIS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IF I CAN GET A SECOND.
WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MOTIONS, I SUPPOSE HERE.
BUT I'LL MOVE THIS ONE HERE THAT I SEE HERE ON THE FRONT.
MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REVISING POLICIES A.1.6.1, A.1.6.2, A.1.6.3, A.1.6.4 --
>> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY FURTHER
I JUST WANT IT SAY THANK YOU FOR STAFF FOR ASSISTING WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY MR. COTTON AND MS. BISHOP ON A PROBLEM WE'VE HAD
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FOR SOME TIME. IT WAS A WELL INTENDED POLICY THAT NEEDED SOME ADDRESS. BUT ALSO IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE DID DISCUSS SOME OF THE DENSITIES, AND IN OUR BACK UP MATERIAL IT'S OBVIOUS THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS DOUBLED WHAT ANY ADJOINING COUNTY HAS. AND IN SOME CASES EVEN MORE THAN THAT IN REGARD TO AGRICULTURAL LANDS AND APPROVAL FOR DENSITY BEING OURS AT 39 ACRES AND THE OTHERS BEING CLOSER TO 20 OR LESS. IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW THIS WITH STAFF.AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR INPUT.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON ALSO MET WITH THEM AS WELL.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 4-0.
OKAY. AT THIS TIME I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON WAS STILL GOING TO TRY AND MAKE IT BACK.
IS THAT RIGHT? WHY DON'T WE MOVE IN TO -- LET'S
[12. Second reading of updates to LAMP Ordinance.]
GIVE HIM A FEW MORE MINUTES. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM 13. ARE WE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT?>> 12 OR 13? >> IF YOU'RE READY FOR 12, WE
CAN DO 12. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. REBECCA LAVIE, SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS LAMP ORDINANCE. AT THE JANUARY 19TH MEETING, THE BOARD AUTHORIZED COUNTY STAFF TO REVIEW THE LAMP ORDINANCES AND BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN ON MARCH 16TH, THE BOARD HAD ITS FIRST READING OF THE LAMP ORDINANCE AND DIRECTED THE ORDINANCE BE BROUGHT BACK FOR THE READING WITH CERTAIN CHANGES. THERE WERE SEVERAL REVISIONS MADE FROM THE FIRST READING, INCLUDING AMENDMENTS TO THE DEFINITIONS SECTION REMOVAL OF REFERENCES TO ACTIVITY BASED RECREATION AND UPDATES TO SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS RELATED TO ENDANGERED SPECIES. TO THE REFERENCES TO THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVINGATION COMMISSION, ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. THE LAMP BOARD WOULD BE GOVERNED BY THE POLICIES AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FINDING THAT THE INTENT OF THE BOARD WAS THAT THE LAMP PROGRAM WOULD BE A WILLING SELLER PROGRAM WITH VOLUNTARY ACQUISITIONS UNDER THE PROGRAM.
SUBSEQUENT TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE ITEM DURING COMMISSIONER BRIEFINGS, THERE WAS A REQUEST ADDED TO CLARIFY THE REMOVAL OF THE ACTIVITY BASED RECREATION REFERENCES.
THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT INCIDENTAL PRESENCE OF ACTIVITY BASED RECREATION ON A PROPERTY NOT REMOVE THAT PROPERTY FROM THE ABILITY TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE LAMP PROGRAM PROVIDED THAT SUCH USE WAS INCIDENTAL TO THE LARGER RESOURCE BASED RECREATIONAL USES OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE ON THE SLIDE HERE THE PROPOSED REVISIONS TO IMPLEMENT THAT LANGUAGE. IT WOULD REINSERT THE DEFINITION OF ACTIVITY BASED RECREATION. AND THEN IT WOULD ADD THE FOLLOWING TO SECTION 3B OF THE ORDINANCE.
THAT IT IS THE INTENT OF THE BOARD THAT RECREATION LANDS UNDER THE LAMP PROGRAM SHOULD PRIMARILY PROVIDE RESOURCE BASED RECREATION. RECREATION ON A PROPERTY IS NOT INTENDED TO DISQUALIFY A PROPERTY FROM BEING UNDER THE LAMP PROGRAM. IF THE BOARD WISHES TO ENACT THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED WITH OR WITHOUT THE CHANGES, THERE IS A
THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD, IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE BOARD? WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN
UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12, THE LAMP ORDINANCE. PLEASE, WISHING TO SPEAK.
YES, SIR. NAME, ADDRESS PLEASE, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS JOHN POLEKI, I LIVE ON 17TH STREET ST. AUGUSTINE.
I'M REPRESENTING THE SIERRA CLUB NORTHEAST GROUP.
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I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR BRINGING BACK THE LAMP ORDINANCE FOR A SECOND READING. THIS ORDINANCE IS IN NO WAY GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. THE THIRD PARAGRAPH OF THE DOCUMENT STATES THAT "THE LAMP PROGRAM SHALL BE A WILLING STELLAR PROGRAM, AN ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY UNDER THE PROGRAM SHALL BE VOLUNTARY." THIS CAVEAT ALLOWS FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT VIOLATING PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. GOALS AND OBJECTIVES SUCH AS TO PROTECT THE HEALTH AND DIVERSITY OF WILDLIFE, TO DIRECT DEVELOPMENT FROM HISTORIC SITES, TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE AS PART OF OR NEAR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT PROVIDES REFUGE FOR RESIDENTS, VISITORS, AND WILDLIFE. THIS LAST OBJECTIVE IMPLIES WILLING COOPERATION AMONG CONSERVATION GROUPS SUCH AS SIERRA CLUB, THE LAMP BOARD, BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.WE REALIZE THAT A GROWING VIBRANT COUNTY SUCH AS OURS REQUIRES THE CONSTRUCTION OF COMMUNITIES CONSISTING OF UP TO DATE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, SCHOOLS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE BELIEVE THE LAMP ORDINANCE SPELLED OUT IN THIS DOCUMENT PROVIDES FOR THESE NEEDS. AND AT THE SAME TIME PROTECTS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES THAT WOULD MAKE THESE COMMUNITIES HEALTHY, SAFE, AND DESIRABLE PLACES TO LIVE. FOR THESE REASONS, I URGE YOU TO REINSTATE THE LAMP ORDINANCE.
PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT WAS A SHAME THAT LAMP CEASED TO EXIST FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
THAT'S HOW MUCH CONTROL THE DEVELOPERS HAVE OVER THIS COMMISSION. YOU SHOULD ADOPT THE ORDINANCE.
YOU SHOULD PUT MORE MONEY INTO IT.
AND YOU SHOULD WORK WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE TO ESTABLISH THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEA SHORE.
YES, MA'AM. >> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M SUPPLY GOING TO SAY THANK YOU FOR DIRECTING STAFF.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED FOR THE POTENTIAL OF THIS PROGRAM.
LOOK FORWARD TO THE LANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ACQUIRED.
I JUST ASK YOU TO SIMPLY VOTE TO EACT THE ORDINANCE.
ANY OTHER -- YES, MA'AM. NAME, ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> BARBARA BLONDER ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS ORDINANCE BACK AND I WISH YOU A GOOD AFTERNOON. SECONDLY, I WANTED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ADOPTION OF THIS ORDINANCE.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT PROGRAM. IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE AS A ST.
AUGUSTINE CITY COMMISSIONER, I'VE BEEN OVERWHELMED AT THE ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT FOR THE FISH ISLAND PROJECT, AND HOW PASSIONATE PEOPLE ARE ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
HOW DEVOTED THEY ARE. HOW MUCH THEY ENJOY IT.
HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATE AN OPEN SPACE LIKE THAT IN AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT. IT IS REALLY A GEM.
AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE POPULARITY OF THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. FLORIDA ISN'T KNOWN FOR ITS CONSERVATION EFFORTS. IT'S GOT ONE OF THE BEST STATE PARKS PROGRAMS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
IT'S LOOKED AT INTERNATIONALLY. AND THIS COUNTY CAN REALLY BE A PART OF THAT AGAIN. AND I TRULY HOPE TO SEE THAT.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD ORDINANCE. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSING OF IT IN THE FIRST READING, AND I HOPE YOU WILL DO SO FOR THE SECOND READING. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.
ITEM 12, FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. I SEE NONE.
I THINK THAT CLOSES IT. >> OKAY.
WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. FURTHER COMMENT.
>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE THERE.
>> OKAY. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION -- I HAD SOME -- WELL COMMISSIONER SMITH, WHY DON'T
YOU MAKE A MOTION. >> I MOVE TO ENACT ST. JOHNS
>> THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM ORDINANCE.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.
>> COMMISSIONER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION, WOULD THAT BE WITH OR WITHOUT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ON THE
PREVIOUS SLIDE REGARDING -- >> WITH.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
>> I'D LIKE TO REITERATE SOME COMMENTS THAT I MADE ON
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DECEMBER 14TH IN REGARD TO THIS. I HAVE A MAP THAT'S A LITTLE MORE HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTY ALREADY. I JUST WANT TO START WITH SOME INTERESTING STATISTICS AND DATA, INFORMATION AND FACTS.ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND AREA IS 389,120 ACRES.
COUNTY ST. JOHNS, WE OWNS ST. JOHNS COUNTY ITSELF, PROPER OWNS 75,000 ACRES THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE RIGHT OF WAY.
IN FACT, WE'VE RECENTLY PURCHASED -- THIS BOARD RECENTLY PURCHASED ON SEPTEMBER 25, 2018 A 1,316.8 ACRE TRACT.
INSIDE THE COUNTY, PUBLIC CONSERVATION LANDS EITHER THROUGH EASEMENTS OR THROUGH ACQUISITION IS TOTALS TO 54,189 ACRES. ABOUT 13.9% OF OUR LAND AREA.
PUBLIC RECREATIONAL LANDS IS 70,802 ACRES, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 18.2% OF THE TOTAL LAND MASS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF 32.1%. NEARLY ONE-THIRD OF THE COUNTY LAND MASS TODAY IS IN CONSERVATION OR RECREATION.
THAT'S JUST IN CONSERVATION AND IN PUBLIC RECREATION.
I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, THEY HAVE THIS UNDERSTANDING WE'RE GOING TO BUY MORE AND MORE LAND WHEN WE'VE ALREADY DONE SO ABOUT TO THE EXTENT OF A THIRD OF OUR LAND MASS.
THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT I WANT THAT I HAVE OBSERVATIONS OR CONCERNS WITH. NUMBER ONE, I RAN ON A SMALL LIMITED GOVERNMENT PLATFORM. I RAN AS A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE.
AND I RAN ON NOT RAISING TAXES. I AM WHO I'VE SAID I AM AND NOT CHANGED. THIS ACTION GROWS GOVERNMENT, CONSUMES MORE TAXPAYER MONEY. AND IT'S TRUEING THE ANTI-THESIS OF WHAT I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY IS.
NUMBER TWO, THIS REMOVES TAXABLE PROPERTY FROM THE ROLL.
HENCE, TAX BURDENS SHIFT TO PROPERTY OWNERS.
SOME WILL POINT OUT IT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
HOWEVER, NOT ALL THE COMMUNITY PAYS FOR IT.
THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED UPKEEP COST IN DEVELOPMENT REQUEST AND MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. THIS WILL TAKE PROPERTY FROM GENERATING REVENUE TO CONSUMING REVENUE.
NUMBER THREE, THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BETTER STEWARD THAN GOVERNMENT. PRIVATE LANDOWNERS MAINTAIN AT A LOWER COST, MITIGATE CONTROL AGAINST PESTS, PLANT, AND DISEASES. WE CAN SEE THAT NATIONWIDE.
GOVERNMENTS HISTORICALLY DOES LESS AT A HIGHER COST.
AND WILL EVENTUALLY EVEN WITH LOWER COSTS MORE EXPENSIVE THE NECESSITY. GOVERNMENT YIELD TO POLITICAL PRESSURES AND PERCEPTION AND NOT DO WHAT'S -- NUMBER FOUR, THERE'S SOME PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THE GOOD OF THE PUBLIC. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BUREAU OR PROGRAM TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL. WE DID THAT BACK IN 2018.
NUMBER FIVE, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE MERELY TANTELLIZING OR TEMPTING OURSELVES AN INSATIABLE APPETITE FOR MORE. AND NUMBER SIX, CONCERNS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY LIES WITH THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD.
AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. HENCE, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE LAMP. I THINK WE HAVE THE MEANS BY WHICH TO HANDLE SOME OF THESE NOW.
AND I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN FAVOR.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.
COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> WELL LET ME SAY THIS.
I CONSIDER MYSELF A VERY STRONG CONSERVATIVE.
A VERY STRONG FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AND LIMITED GOVERNMENT. AND BASED ON THAT, I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT BIG GOVERNMENT, TO BE FAIR, DOES NOT REGULATE LANDOWNERS OUT OF EXISTENCE AND IN TO BANKRUPTCY, BUT PAY THEM A FAIR AMOUNT FOR THEIR LANDS, WHICH THE STATE AND THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN CONSERVATION.
SO AS A STRONG CONSERVATIVE, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD ARGUMENT TO BE MADE THAT WE AS GOVERNMENT, IF WE THINK THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE LAND IN CONSERVATION, WE SHOULD BUY IT, NOT REGULATE IT OUT OF EXISTENCE.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS AS WELL. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENTS.
LAMP IS AN IMPORTANT TOOL THAT HELPS US AS A COUNTY COMMISSION,
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IDENTIFY CONSERVATION LAND. HELP PRESERVE OUR NATIONAL ENVIRONMENT AND EXISTING ORDINANCE.JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT GROWING GOVERNMENT HERE IN MY OPINION, WITH RESPECT TO COMMISSIONER SMITH.
WE ALREADY HAVE THIS ON THE BOOKS.
WE JUST HAVEN'T UTILIZED IT. WE SPENT ABOUT 10, 15 YEARS MISSING DOING THAT. I DO NOT THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TAKING MONEY OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND WHICH IS ALREADY TAXED AND BURDENED. FLORIDA HAS A TRADITION OF STRONG REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP. WE HAVE A GOVERNOR DESANTIS THAT'S IDENTIFIED THAT. AS A CONSERVATIVE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO PROTECT OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
AS OUR COMMUNITY GROWS, AS WE'RE PRESSURED, THAT WE NEED TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY I'LL BE VOTING FOR THIS AND SUPPORTING IT. ANY COMMENTS?
WE'RE KIND OF HANGING OUT THERE >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING TO GO.
>> NO APOLOGY NEEDED. >> YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T -- WELL ONE OF THE THINGS I DON'T LIKE TAKING ON ACTIVITY BASED COMPLETELY IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS.
BECAUSE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU COULD HAVE A -- SAY A BOAT RAMP AND A BIG PARK, FOR INSTANCE.
AND THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF HARD SOMETIMES FOR GOVERNMENT TO TAKE LANDS OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND TELL PEOPLE WHAT WILL OR WILL NOT GO ON IT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S ONE THING I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID IN THE BEGINNING WHERE THEY TOOK THE LAND AND KICKED EVERYBODY OFF OF IT AND PUT A SIGN ON IT SAVING IT FOR YOUR FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT FUTURE IS. YOU KNOW.
THE OTHER THING I DID HAVE WAS ON THE -- I DID AGREE CONSIDERING WE'RE USING TAX DOLLARS TO BUY LAND THAT THEY SHOULD FILL OUT A FORM SIX JUST LIKE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL DOES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THOUGHT OF THAT OR IF Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO SPEED.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHIT
WHITEHURST. >> BUT NO CHANGES?
>> ACTUALLY, THE CHANGE IS ON THE OVERHEAD RIGHT NOW.
WHICH BY THE WAY, IT SAYS IT'S NOT INTENDED TO DISQUALIFY THE PROPERTY FROM BEING ACQUIRED UNDER THE LAMP PROGRAM.
THAT IS INCIDENTAL. >> AND WHAT DID Y'ALL DECIDE ABOUT THE FORM SIX OR JUST FINANCIAL FORM?
>> THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENT IS IN THE ORDINANCE.
IT IS IN SECTION 6, I BELIEVE IT WAS.
NO, I'M SORRY, SECTION 7. I CAN PUT THE LANGUAGE OVERHEAD.
>> I DON'T REMEMBER SAYING WHAT TO FILL OUT OTHER THAN FINANCIAL. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORMS ON THE STATE WEBSITE TO FILL OUT.
>> THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A LOCAL OFFICER, WHICH IS THE FORM
1. >> WHICH DOESN'T INCLUDE WHERE
ALL THEY HAVE INTEREST. >> NO.
SAME AS THE PZA. RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE FULL FORM LIKE YOU FILL OUT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL FEEL.
I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHO THEIR INTERESTS ARE AND WHAT
PROPERTIES THEY OWN. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> ME, TOO. >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT REGARDING THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE.
AND OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE LOCAL OFFICERS TO FILE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT IS GOVERNED BY THE STATUTE.
AND IT TELLS US HOW WE CAN DO THAT.
OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ARE ABLE TO REQUIRE THEM SPECIFICALLY TO FILL OUT A FORM 6.
THAT IS SOMETHING I COULD FIND FAIRLY QUICKLY.
BUT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GO, I WOULD JUST NEED A FEW MINUTES TO CONFIRM THAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO
THAT. >> REBECCA, WHY DON'T YOU CHECK ON THAT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO
COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
DOES ANYONE HAVE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE SPEND ON THE EXPENDITURE FOR MCCULLOUGH CREEK. BECAUSE IT DIDN'T EXCLUSIVELY COME FROM THE FUND. IT ALSO CAME OUT OF THE TREE BANK FUND. ABOUT $2 MILLION CAME OUT OF THAT AND 1.-- IT WASN'T ENTIRELY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
I THINK THAT POINT NEEDS TO BE MADE AND CLEARED.
LET ME SAY THIS BECAUSE I GOTTA GET OFF MY CHEST.
IF ANYONE WATCHES OUR CONSENT AGENDAS LATELY, WE'RE BUYING
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LAND IN ST. JOHNS. ST. JOHNS GOVERNMENT IS BUYING LAND AT THE SQUARE FOOT SOMEWHERE UPWARDS $2, $3, $4 A SQUARE FOOT. WHY? I HAD A PIECE THE OTHER DAY THAT WAS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA THAT SOLD FOR ABOUT LESS THAN $2,000 AN ACRE.AND WE PAID $160,000 AN ACRE FOR IT TODAY.
TO ME, THAT'S A PRETTY AMAZING THING.
WHAT WE'RE DOING, THIS BOARD WILL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE, INCREASE THE DENSITY AND WE TURN AROUND AND SPEND BOOCOOS OF DOLLARS. IF YOU STOP TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, TO ME IT'S INSANE. I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH ADMINISTRATION. IT'S DISGUSTING.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER A PROJECT, APPROVE IT ANDPR PROVE DENSITIES. A LOT OF POOR PLANNING HAS OCCURRED. I'M NOT GOING TO BLAME THAT ENTIRELY ON US. BUT I CAN SAY THIS, WE SPEND MONEY HAND OVER FIST AND IT IS AMAZING WHAT WE SPEND IT ON.
AND SPEND IT ON -- ON THIS BOARD TO RECOGNIZE THE POWER IT POSSESSES, AND WHAT WE DO AND PROVIDING MORE AND MORE IN REGARD TO DENSITY. WE INCREASE VALUES.
THEY'RE GOING TO RUN OUR AGRICULTURE AND CIVILCULTURE OUT OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO WHAT WE DO AND BE PROFITABLE. SOME OF OUR GREATEST ASSETS ARE GOING TO DISSIPATE. I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S ALMOST INEVITABLE AT THIS POINT.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM A FISCAL SIDE OF THINGS, WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY BUYING THINGS THAT WE APPROVED THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPLANNED TO HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S EXORBITANTLY AND EXTRAORDINARILY.
>> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD USE ANY GENERAL REVENUE FUND.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ALL COMING FROM THAT.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU SIT ON THIS BOARD. WHAT ARE SOME SOLUTIONS.
YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM. WHAT ARE SOME SOLUTIONS?
>> WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH.
WE HAVE TO HAVE PLANNING. WE'RE BUYING RIGHT OF WAY ON SOMETHING WE SHOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD WE NEEDED RIGHT OF WAY TO START. WHAT WHAT WE DO IS OFTEN TIMES APPROVE IT AND TURN AROUND AND WIND UP WITH AN EXTRA COST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED ON DENSITIES AND ENHANCED THE VALUE. THAT NEEDS TO BE PREDONE ON PAST EXISTING PRICES, NOT ON PRICES OF TODAY AND WHEN IT'S AFTER POST APPROVAL. IF NOT, WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT TO ME IS EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATING.
DO Y'ALL DO THE MATH? DO YOU LOOK AT THEM AND SEE WHAT PRICES FOR PROPERTY ARE SOLD FOR AND WHAT WE'RE DOING WHEN WE'RE GOING BACK AND REBUYING IT? IT'S AMAZING TO ME WHAT WAS BOUGHT FOR AN ACRE, NOW WE'RE BUYING FOR A SMALL PORTION OF IT. WE ACTUALLY -- I SHOWED IT TO MR. CONRAD. I SHOWED THESE NUMBERS.
I THINK IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY OUTSTANDINGLY REVEALING WHAT WE DO DO. YES, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER PLAN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE OUR FINANCES BETTER.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS APPROVING, SOMEBODY GETS BETTER
-- >> DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IDENTIFYING A SOLUTION. I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT HERE BUT YOU'VE RAISED THIS ISSUE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> WE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU ON PAPER.
I'LL HAVE IT TO SHOWN TO YOU ON PAPER.
I'LL PRESENT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND MAYBE YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE SAME SOLUTION I HAVE.
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE GET GO.
WE NEED TO PURCHASE IN REGARD TO A RIGHT OF WAY NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED UP FRONT AND DONE WITH THOSE DOLLARS AT PRESENT VALUE RATHER THAN ENHANCED VALUE.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE'RE DISCUSSING THE LAMP RIGHT NOW. BUT I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING IMPORTANT. WE'RE HAVING WORKSHOPS COMING UP. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE IN OCTOBER, CORRECT? I THINK THAT WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU'RE ASKING DO WE UNDERSTAND THIS. I THINK YOU'RE SPEAKING WITH PASSION AND EXPERIENCE. YOU'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROBLEM.
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LET'S TALK ABOUT A SOLUTION. AT WORKSHOPS AND LET'S IDENTIFYA SOLUTION. >> BECAUSE I'M BRINGING THIS UP, WHEN I LOOK AT A STANDPOINT OF FISCAL CONSERVATIVISM AND RESPONSIBILITY. I LOOK AT IT WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND MONEY ON LAND ACQUISITION, WHICH WE ARE SPENDING MONEY ON LAND ACQUISITION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING THERE? WE HAVE BOUGHT LAND TONIGHT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S ALMOST MINUSCULE TO WHAT WE'RE SPENDING HERE. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENCE.
COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> IF THEY'RE READY TO PROCEED WITH LAMP, I CAN BRING IT UP AT COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS TRYING TO COME UP.
WITH I'VE TALKED WITH STAFF. PATRICK AND I HAVE HAD THE DISCUSSION MANY TIMES. I THINK THE SOLUTION IS WHEN THEY COME, WE ALREADY KNOW THE CONCURRENCY ISSUES ON THE ROAD.
WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE LAND IS WORTH.
IT'S COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO REZONE THE LAND FOR BEST USE BECAUSE WE CONTROL THE ZONE. I BROUGHT IT UP TO PATRICK AND I WAS TOLD NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS IMPACT FEE CREDITS THAT ARE NOW SELLABLE. THE MAN BOUGHT OR THE COMPANY BOUGHT 300 OR 400 ACRES. WE PAID THEM FOR 250 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY MORE THAN THEY BOUGHT THE LAND.
WHEN THEY COME HERE TO BOARD TO GET A REZONING OR A PUD OR MODIFICATION, WE SHOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TRIPS ARE.
NOT LIKE TODAY WHERE WE JUST PUT IN WHAT WE NORMALLY PUT IN A BRIEFING. WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYERS. THEY HAVE IMPACT FEE CREDITS NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLABLE. WHAT IT'S TRULY GOING TO COST THE TAXPAYERS. A LOT OF PLACES RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE TODAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE OUT ANY ONE GROUP. BUT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO FOUR-LANE THAT ROAD IF IT WASN'T FOR -- BUT WE'RE SAYING THE IMPACT FEES COVER IT. BUT WHEN YOU'RE PAYING EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S NOT COVERED. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I SEE WE PAY IS UNREAL. I THINK THEY PAID $41,000 FOR IT. AND THAT'S -- AND YES YOU COULD SAY FACTORY CREDITS. NOW THOSE CREDITS ARE SALEABLE AND IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO BITE US.
I TALKED TO HUNTER TOO. IT'S A BAD DEAL.
IT'S NOT A GOOD BUSINESS DEAL. NONE OF US WILL DO OUR, YOU KNOW, HALF OF WHAT WE DO IS BACKWARDS.
ANYWAY. >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS BOARD WOULD DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH OR YOU ARE SAYING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAMP ORDINANCE HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVERSATIONS BEFORE. LET'S ADDRESS IT IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PROBLEM, LET'S ADDRESS IT.
BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LAMP ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAID IF WE HAD TIME WHILE WAITING ON ANSWERS.
>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> AS JUST ONE COMMISSIONER SITTING HERE ENJOYING THIS LIVELY DISCUSSION, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING THIS UP BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT MOVING IT FORWARD THAT WE DO IMPLEMENT THE BEST PRACTICES, THAT WE DON'T PUT OURSELVES IN A BAD FINANCIAL SITUATION FOR THE COUNTY. I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP A PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. PERSONALLY BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN TALK IN THE SUNSHINE AT THESE MEETINGS.
I WOULD BE WITH YOU IN BEING A PART OF THE SOLUTION.
A WORKSHOP WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO FURTHER IMPACT THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT MOVING FORWARD WE DO NOT GET OURSELVES INTO THESE PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE UP HERE TO REPRESENT. I KNOW IT'S NOT ON LAMP BUT I DO THINK IT'S RELATED. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BRINGING
IT UP. >> I'D LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY IS THERE CONSENSUS TO WRITE THE COUNTY BOARD COMMISSIONER TO LOOK INTO THIS AND BRING US BACK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS? IS THERE CONSENSUS?
>> YES. >> MR. CONRAD, WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING YOUR NAME A LOT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTARY?
>> NO, OTHER THAN TO LET -- UNLESS I GET CONSENSUS TO BRING IT TO THE WORKSHOP ON SPECIFIC ON THE ACQUISITIONS OF EASEMENTS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PREPARE A REPORT ON. WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT'S ALL BEEN DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND ALLOW YOU FOR DISCUSSION.
AND POTENTIALLY BRING BACK THE CHANGE.
THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD AND THE INTENTION OF THE
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ADMINISTRATION. >> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE TO DEVELOP A CODE THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR CITIZENS.
AND I APPRECIATE THIS BEING BROUGHT UP TODAY.
>> MR. MCCORMACK. >> I THINK --
>> THE ABILITY OF THE COUNTY TO REQUIRE LOCAL OFFICERS TO -- SET FORTH IN FLORIDA STATUTES. SPECIFICALLY THE FLORIDA STATUTE THAT RELATES TO THE FORM ONE FILINGS.
MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE BOARD ON ITS OWN COULD REQUIRE THE FORM 6. IT'S NOT EXPLICIT IN THE STATUTE WHETHER WE CAN OR CAN'T. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ADD A LINE TO THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE SECTION THAT STATES THAT THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE OBLIGATIONS MAY BE ALTERED BY RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
IF WE DO OUR MORE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH AND DETERMINE THAT THE BOARD COULD REQUIRE A FORM 6, WE COULD THEN BRING A RESOLUTION
BACK FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU MADE THE
MOTION. >> I CALL THE QUESTION.
>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, WOULD YOUR LANGUAGE INCORPORATE WHAT MS. LAVIE HAD DESCRIBED?
>> ON THE RECORD, YES. >> OKAY.
SO YOU WOULD AMEND YOUR -- >> I AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT RESOLUTION THAT REBECCA JUST READ INTO THE RECORD.
>> AND DO YOU AMEND YOUR SECOND. >> YES, SECOND.
[9. RFQ 20-77; Design-Build Services Hurricane Matthew FEMA Cat B Emergency Berm Restoration - Secondary Contract.]
>> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
THAT PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU, REBECCA FOR ALL THE HARD WORK ON THE FLY ADDRESSES. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO BACK INTO THE AGENDA HERE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, BOB QUINNEY FROM DISASTER RECOVERY. BACK AT OUR JUNE 1ST WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD, WE HAD SOME HEALTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SEVEN SECTIONS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY BEACHES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR FEMA REIMBURSEMENT IF EMERGENCY SAND DUNES ARE PLACED THERE. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION REGARDING THE EASEMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I RECEIVED UPDATED INFORMATION BEFORE COMING IN TODAY THAT WE RECEIVED A RESCISSION FOR THREE EASEMENTS IN THE PONTE VEDRA 2. ADDITIONALLY, I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS TO INCLUDE THE PONTE VEDRA COMMUNITY LAST NIGHT AS WELL AS HOA ASSOCIATIONS WE MET. ON TWO DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WE HAD EXTENDED THE EASEMENT DEADLINE TO GIVE RESIDENTS A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. SO FROM THE WORKSHOP THAT WE PARTICIPATED IN ON JUNE 1ST, WE -- OR I HAD THREE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT WORKSHOP. THE THREE TAKEAWAYS BEING ONE, OVERWHELMING SUPPORT NEEDED. TWO, ESTABLISH A THRESHOLD.
AND THREE, TAKE A LOOK AT CRESCENT BEACH AND IDENTIFY AREAS WITHIN CRESCENT BEACH THAT MIGHT HAVE A HIGH DENSITY OF EASEMENTS. SO WHEN WE DID THAT, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN WE APPLIED THOSE THREE TAKEAWAYS FROM THAT JUNE 1ST BOARD MEETING.
THE THREE STRETCHES OF BEACH HERE, PONTE VEDRA 1, 2, AND SOUTH ARE ALL THE 50% EASEMENT THRESHOLD.
WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT CRESCENT BEACH, THERE'S ABOUT A 4,000 FOOT SECTION OF BEACH THAT RUNS NORTH STARTING AT MATANZAS RAMP
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AND IT INCLUDES SUMMER HOUSE THAT HAD A HIGH DENSITY OF EASEMENTS, APPROXIMATELY 79%. THIS INSET HERE IDENTIFIES WHAT THAT EASEMENT COUNT LOOKS LIKE AT THAT SECTION OF BEACH.ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THIS SECTION OF BEACH SHOULD BE CONSIDERED CONDITIONAL AS WE NEED A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE APPROVAL TO USE THAT MATANZAS BEACH ACCESS TO USE THIS SECTION OF BEACH. IF NOT, THE NEXT NEAREST BEACH ACCESS IS TWO MILES NORTH OF THIS PROJECT AREA.
SO COMMISSIONERS, AT THIS POINT THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
AND I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST, UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC NOW.
>> WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR APPROVAL, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT I
HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. >> SURE, YES, SIR.
>> I WANT TO SAY IT NOW SO ANYONE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT CAN RESPOND IF YOU CHOOSE TO MY COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROGRAM.
I WANT TO START AT THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY.
I'M GOING TO START AT THE NORTH END INSTEAD OF THE SOUTH END.
BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT THE FEMA BERM PROJECT FOR PONTE VEDRA HAS BEEN A REAL STRUGGLE FOR ME BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS AND NOT SO GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT. THE GOOD THING IS I THINK IT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED SUFFICIENTLY THAT THE PROJECT ITSELF WOULD BENEFIT NOT ONLY THE BEACH BUT THE HOMES CONTIGUOUS TO THE BEACH. THE OCEAN FRONT HOMEOWNERS.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I THINK IT'S REALLY TWO-FOLD.
THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
AND THERE ARE ALSO ACCESS ISSUES THAT PUT HOMEOWNERS AT RISK THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS OR NEARBY. I GUESS YOU COULD INCLUDE BEACH DRIVING, TOO. THAT IS DUMP TRUCKS, ALL TRUCKS ON THE BEACH. AD I WANT TO SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO SHOCK SOME OF MY BOARD MEMBERS.
BUT I THINK IT'S TIME. AND THAT IS THAT IF THERE'S EVER A CASE, EVER A REASON THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER USING LANDING PARKING LOT AS ADDITIONAL ACCESS FOR THIS PROJECT FOR BEACH RESTORATION, IT'S NOW. WE REALLY WOULD NOT HAVE A FUTURE USE FOR MIKELER'S PARKING LOT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A BEACH.
THEY MIGHT PUT UP A DRIVE-IN MOVIE.
WITHOUT THE BEACH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THE PARKING LOT.
I KNOW THE CONTROVERSY THAT WAS GENERATED TWO YEARS AGO.
I'M WELL FAMILIAR WITH THE PROBLEMS THAT GENERATED.
BUT I THINK WE'VE REACHED A POINT WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THE FEMA BERM, WE NEED TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AND AS LEAST IMPACTFUL TO THE RESIDENTS OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH AS POSSIBLE.
SO I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND AT THE END OF THE DAY IF I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FEMA BERM PROJECT, THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
THEY THINK IT WOULD GRATEFUL IMPROVE THEIR ABILITY TO SHIFT OR IMPROVE ACCESS POINTS. WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO -- -- THE CONTRACTOR INDICATED THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO USE IT ON WEEKENDS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. IF WE DON'T GET TO THE PROJECT UNTIL EARLY OR MID FALL, IT'S GOING TO IMPACT SEA TURTLE NESTING AND BEACHGOERS. I KNOW HOW CONTROVERSIAL THIS ISSUE WAS TWO YEARS AGO. BUT I'M CONVINCED THAT THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT BEACH RESTORATION AND CARE ABOUT ALL THE BENEFITS, NOT ONLY ENVIRONMENTALLY BUT ECONOMICALLY WILL UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT IN THIS CASE THE USE OF MIKELER'S LANDING IN THIS PROJECT. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE. I WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT FOR ANY
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PUBLIC FROM THE COMMENT. WHETHER THIS BOARD APPROVES IT, WE'LL SEE. BUT THAT'S MY COMMENT.>> LINDA GIN, FRIENDS OF THE SUMMER HAVEN RIVER.
MR. CHAIRMAN, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WE APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT IS GOING ON AT SUMMER HAVEN CURRENTLY.
YOU AND STAFF AND ALL THAT THEY'VE DONE TO HELP GET SOME SAND ON THE BEACH DOWN THERE. WE DO HAVE ONE CONCERN, THOUGH.
THERE IS A QUARTER MILE OF DUNE THAT IS ONLY SLATED TO BE SIX-FEET HIGH. AND I TALKED WITH A CONTRACTOR THIS WEEK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NAVD IS.
IT'S WAY BEYOND ME. IT'S SOMEWHERE OUT THERE IN THE OCEAN. BUT HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IF THE DUNE AT SIX FEET IS NOT GOING TO BE MEAN HIGH TIDE AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX FEET ABOVE THAT AT SUMMER HAVEN, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE 4.5 FEET. SO IT'S 1.5 LESS.
WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GETTING A SIX-FOOT DUNE, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT. IT'S A SIX-FOOT NAVD DUNE.
AND THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY CURRENT FUNDING FROM THE FEMA BERM ENHANCEMENT PROJECT CAN BE USED TO BUILD THAT DUNE TO 12 FEET. YOU HAVE THE PORT END IT IS ABOUT 25 FEET WIDE AND AROUND 14 FEET TALL.
YOU GO TO A DUNE THAT'S SIX FEET FOR A QUARTER MILE.
THE DUNE THE COUNTY IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON WOULD BE 12 FEET WITH I BELIEVE A 12-FOOT CREST AT THE TOP.
THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS OUT THERE. WE WOULD LOVE IT IF THERE'S ANY EXTRA SAND AVAILABLE TO BUILD THAT DUNE UP TO A 12 FEET HEIGHT. AND IF THERE'S EXTRA SAND, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT SAND.
BUT IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO GET IT, WE COULD EVEN MAKE THE DUNE WIDER. SO IT WOULD BE A ROBUST DUNE SYSTEM. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO PROTECT THE HOMES AND THE RIVER, EVERYTHING THE RIVER PROVIDES FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. SO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP WOULD BE GRATEFUL APPRECIATED.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, LINDA.
>> YES, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> MALCOM FAVERY A 1 A SOUTH SUMMER HOUSE.
COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR ALLOWING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND TALK.
THANK YOU ALL FOR LOOKING AT THE SITUATION FOR US.
I REPRESENT 256 OWNERS AT THE SUMMER HOUSE BEACH AND RACKET CLUB. WE HAVE A COMMITTEE.
THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK. I KNOW WE'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO Y'ALL. Y'ALL HAVE SENT US A LOT OF INFORMATION. WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT Y'ALL HAVE PUT INTO IT. IN ADDITION TO Y'ALL, THE DIRECTOR JOSEPH AND I KNOW I'M GOING TO SAY HIS NAME WRONG SO FORGIVE ME, GIAMANCO, DAVID DOUGLAS AND STEVEN HAMLIN BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF THE TEAM.
FEMA HAS CAME IN AND SAID THREE OF THEM ON THE SOUTHERN END ARE SEVERELY VULNERABLE TO COLLAPSE IF WE GET MORE BAD WEATHER.
DOWN ALONG THE SOUTHERN MOST END, YOU WALK OUTSIDE THE BACK COMPLEX, YOU'RE FOUR TO FIVE FEET AND THE EROSIONS A DROP OFF RIGHT THERE. WE RECENTLY BROUGHT IN OUR OWN SAND AT OUR OWN COST WHICH WASN'T A DROP IN THE BUCKET TO WHAT WAS THERE. NOW IT LOOKS LIKE WE MIGHT GET IN. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE 1400 FEET OVER A QUARTER MILE THERE. LIKE I SAID, 256 OWNERS.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US THAT WE GET YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS AND WE DEFINITELY NEED THAT. ALSO WITH THE AREA THAT'S DOWN THERE, WHEN YOU ALL LOOK, I SEE ON THAT MAP, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NORTH END OF CRESCENT BEACH, IT WILL RUN OUT 150 TO 250 FEET OF SAND. THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT MIGHT BE 25 TO 50 FEET OR LESS. LIKE AT OUR COMPLEX MUCH LESS.
WE SEVERELY NEED THAT. I ALSO HEARD THE GENTLEMAN AT THE END THAT THE MATANZAS MIGHT BE CONDITIONAL.
IF WE CAN USE MR. BILL IN OUR COMMITTEE TO CONTACT FEMA FOR US, YOU LET US KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING SUMMER HOUSE CAN DO TO PROTECT THAT BEACH AND OUR OWNERSHIP, WE'RE BEHIND Y'ALL.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT. PEOPLE BEHIND THE SCENES GET LEFT OUT. I WANT YOU TO KNOW A LOT OF CALLS HAVE BEEN MADE TO STAFF. THE YOUNG LADIES THAT'S BEEN ANSWERING OUR CALLS AND HELPING US, EVEN CALLED ME BACK A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO TO LET US KNOW THAT MR. WALDRON HAD TO GET AN EMERGENCY CALL. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. FABRE'S COMMENTS ABOUT SUMMER HOUSE, THE BOARD HAD RECEIVED A LETTER FROM NORM BREEN. HE HAD ASKED TO BE PLACED IN THE RECORD. THE BOTTOM LINE IS IN LINE WITH MR. FABRE'S COMMENT. AS PRESIDENT OF THE SUMMER HOUSE BEACH AND RACKET CLUB, THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE WISHED TO OFFER HIS FULL SUPPORT FOR THE MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THE MOTION AND PROCEED WITH FEMA DUNE ENHANCEMENT PROJECT FOR THE SOUTH BEACH, WHICH INCLUDES SUMMER HOUSE. HE GIVES SOME OF THE RATIONALE FOR THAT. LARGELY WITH MR. FABRE.
>> ED SLAVEN ST. AUGUSTINE. I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I AGREE ABOUT THE STAGING AREA. OF COURSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD A COUNTY COMMISSIONER THAT WANTED TO USE THAT AS A STAGING AREA. BUT HE DIDN'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT AND WAS DEVIOUS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FIRING HIM.
AND I AGREE WITH ALL THE OTHER SPEAKERS.
AND LET'S COOPERATE WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND LET'S GET THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL HISTORIC PARK AND NATIONAL SEA STUDY GOING. THANK YOU.
NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, BOB. >> BOB DERETA, 941 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. AND I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROJECT AS IT RELATES TO THE AREA ALONG THE BOULEVARD BETWEEN MIKELER'S AND THE COUNTY LINE. LET ME START BY THANKING THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR CAREFUL CONSIDERABLE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT HOW TO USE THE BED TAX. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROPOSAL THAT SEEMS TO BE TAKING SHAPE FOR 60% TO BE DEDICATED TO BEACHES. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE BEACH RENOURISHMENT PROGRAM THAT IS THE ONLY SOURCE TO HAVING BEACH STABILITY WHICH IS SO VITAL TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE WELLBEING OF OUR COUNTY.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONERS DEAN AND BLOCKER FOR TAKING TIME TO ATTEND A MEETING.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY CAME AWAY WITH SOME SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS OR IMPRESSIONS THAT I DID. WHICH WAS IN THE COMMUNITY THERE WAS A VERY LOW LEVEL OF AWARENESS OVER THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT DESIGN. THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF CONFUSION. AND ALSO, A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN. AND A LOT OF THOSE CONCERNS I THINK CAN BE EFFECTIVELY ADDRESSED BY THE PROPOSAL COMMISSIONER DEAN JUST PUT FORTH.
SO IT CHANGES SOMEWHAT THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU. BUT I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT PROPOSAL. THE CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROJECT DESIGN STEM FROM THE FACT THAT IT'S A TRUCK HAULING PROJECT. IN PARTICULAR THAT IT'S A TRUCK HAULING PROJECT UNLIKE ANY OTHER IN THE COUNTY THAT USES A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS. AND THAT POINT OF ACCESS IS A PRIVATE HOME. NOT AN EXISTING PUBLIC ACCESS POINT. AND BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ACCESS POINT AT LEAST BETWEEN MIKELERS AND THE COUNTY LINE, YOU TRAVEL GREAT DISTANCES FROM THAT ACCESS POINT.
YOU'RE BRINGING OVER 400,000 TONS OF SAND DOWN THE BOULEVARD TO THIS PRIVATE HOME, 965 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 20-TON DUMP TRUCK GOING DOWN THE BOULEVARD ON AVERAGE EVERY 60 TO 90 SECONDS.
A BOULEVARD THAT HAS NO SHOULDER.
A VERY NARROW ROAD WITH CYCLISTS, PEDESTRIANS, JOGGERS AND NORMAL TRAFFIC. A REAL SAFETY ISSUE.
AND IT GOES INTO A NARROW DRIVEWAY ON THIS VACANT LOT THAT'S SURROUNDED BY TWO MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR HOMES.
THAT ONE OF WHICH IS NOT BUILT ON PILINGS.
THE LIKELIHOOD OF DESTRUCTION TO THOSE HOMES IS VERY HIGH.
ALL RIGHT. THE DISTURBANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE DAMAGE TO THE COMMUNITY IS VERY REAL.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO TAKE THE TRAFFIC OFF THE BOULEVARD WILL BE A GREAT SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
SO I STRONGLY URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THAT
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AMENDMENT. MY TIME IS EXPIRED.>> FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, SIR VMENTD --.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS AND ST. JOHNS STAFF. MY NAME IS CORNELIUS INGRAM AND I AM A FULL-TIME RESIDENT AT SUMMER HAVEN BEACH.
I'D LIKE FIRST COMMENT SOUTH HAVEN -- AND THE CONTRACTOR IS ON SITE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO REPORT THAT THE SUMMER HAVEN FEMA BERM PROJECT IS MAKING PROGRESS.
IT'S TIME TO WORK ON THE SHELL ROCK PATH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING IT COULD TAKE TIME TO PERMIT. -- AFFORDABLE AND EASY TO MAINTAIN SOLUTION. THE PLUS SIDE OF A SHELL ROCK PATH IS THAT IT WOULD RESOLVE THE ACCESS ISSUE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND GUEST. IN CLOSING, THE SHELL ROCK PATH WOULD ALLOW THE LOCAL TRASH SERVICE TO ACCESS OUR COMMUNITY AND ELIMINATE THE TRASH PILE THAT CONTINUES TO GROW AT THE ENTRANCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND
CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> MARY ELLEN. I REALLY WANTED TO GO LAST.
IT WAS FUN LAST NIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN AND BLOCKER FOR COMING OUT. I WISH THAT COMMISSIONERS WALDRON, SMITH AND SMITH COULD HAVE COME OUT TO SEE THE SHOW LAST NIGHT. THEY HAD THIS PUBLIC MEETING BUT DOESN'T GIVE ANY INDICATION OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING. THE DEEP CONCERN THAT WAS EXPRESSED. DAMON DOUGLAS ENDED OUR MEETING LAST NIGHT BY SAYING THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE PARTICIPATING IN THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. I CAN TELL YOU MS. PAUL DID NOT VOLUNTEER. MR. GREG DID NOT VOLUNTEER TO BE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PUBLIC ACCESS. THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD WITH CHILDREN DID NOT VOLUNTEER.
NONE OF THE SOD GRASS BEACH MEMBERS HAVE BEEN QUERIED TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST. YOU'RE TAKING THE INTEREST AND SAYING THE EASEMENTS CAME IN. IF YOU RESCINDED ALL THOSE EASEMENTS AND HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS LIKE WE DID YESTERDAY, I THINK YOU'D FIND THE LEVEL OF INTEREST IS VERY DIFFERENT.
THE SOD GRASS BEACH MEMBERS HAVE HAD NO VOICE.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON PONTE VEDRA TO THE WEST, HAD NO VOICE.
A FEW FLYERS WENT OUT PRIVATELY. THERE WASN'T A POSITIVE MOVEMENT FROM THIS PROJECT. IT WAS FEAR 40,000-POUND DUMP TRUCKS. NO ONE IS VOLUNTEERING.
I THINK YOUNG RYAN, THE CONTRACTOR, HAS SAID THE TRUCK DRIVERS CAN'T SEE THE PEDESTRIANS.
THEY CAN'T SEE THE PEOPLE ON THE BEACH FROM THEIR CHAIRS.
WE'RE RUNNING 40,000-TON DUMP TRUCKS DOWN THE BEACH AT HIGH SEASON, AND THE DRIVERS CAN'T SEE THE BEACH.
AT LEAST THANK GOD COMMISSIONER DEAN HAS PRESENTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST TAKE THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUE OFF THE BOULEVARD AND PERHAPS WE CAN CONSIDER IF WE GET AN EXTENSION.
MAYBE WE CAN REDESIGN IT. AND GOD, IF WE GET AN EXTENSION, PLEASE PROMISE NOT TO USE RESIDENTIAL LOTS FOR THIS PROJECT. IT IS TOO DANGEROUS.
THANK YOU AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. >> HI, I LIVE AT 8970 OLD A1A.
AND MY HOUSE IS THE LAST HOUSE ON THE BEACH OF SUMMER HAVEN.
>> CAN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSE, RAISE THE MICROPHONE OR SPEAK A
LITTLE CLOSER. >> CAN YOU PROVIDE YOUR NAME AS
AND MY HOME IS AT 8970 OLD A1A ST. AUGUSTINE.
AND MY HOUSE IS THE LAST HOUSE ON THE BEACH THERE.
AND I DIDN'T GET NOTICE FOR AN EASEMENT APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. IT MIGHT HAVE GONE TO MY ADDRESS IN CALIFORNIA. BUT I NEVER RECEIVED IT.
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AND I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH DWAYNE KENT FOR AT LEAST A YEAR NOW REGARDING THIS PROJECT. MY CONCERN IS HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACCESS THE BEACH FOR THE DUNES BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL THAT I SAW, A NEIGHBOR SHARED HER EMAIL WITH ME, WAS THAT THEY PROPOSED TO TRUCK THE DIRT ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.AND I NEVER APPROVED THIS. AND I STILL DON'T APPROVE IT.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR PLAN AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BRING THE DIRT IN.
I THINK THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ONLY 29% OF THE HOMEOWNERS ON THAT SECTION OF THE BEACH APPROVE THE DUNES BEING BROUGHT IN. BUT I JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR AS TO HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ACCESS. AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT I DON'T APPROVE OF THEM MOVING ACROSS MY PRIVATE LAND.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.
NEXT. >> SHERRY BADGER 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.
I HATE IT FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM. I HATE IT FOR IT BECAUSE WHAT WAS IT BACK IN 2002 WHEN THE COUNTY COMMISSION PUT A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING SUMMER HAVEN BECAUSE EVEN BACK THEN THEY COULDN'T -- THE COUNTY VEHICLES AND TRASH TRUCKS COULD NOT EVEN ACCESS SUMMER HAVEN BACK THEN.
A BUILDING MORATORIUM WAS PUT ON THEM BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS TAKEN TO COURT.
COURT ORDERED TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY.
NOW ONCE AGAIN, EVERY YEAR ANY OF Y'ALL SITTING UP HERE AND YOU LONG TIMERS HERE, HOW MANY DOLLARS HAVE WE SPENT PUMPING SAND UP ON THOSE BEACHES? YEAH, WE NEED SOME SAND SOME PLACES. EVERY ACTION HAS A REACTION.
YOU START PUMPING HERE, THEN SUMMER HAVEN DOWN AT MATANZAS INLET. THEN WE'VE GOT TO DREDGE IT.
THEN THEY NEED ANOTHER $13 MILLION MORE BEACH RENOURISHMENT. BACK WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER WHEN A1A WAS TAKEN, THE MARINE CORPS ENGINEERS TOLD THEM WHEN THE OLD INLET USED TO BE SALT RUN CAME IN DIRECTLY FROM THE OCEAN.
NOW EVERY YEAR WE PUMP SAND UP THERE TO TRY TO KEEP THE OLD INLET THAT WAS THE NATURAL INLET FROM PROTRUDING BACK IN AND TAKING A DUNE AWAY. THIS IS Y'ALL'S RESPONSIBILITY.
YEAH, Y'ALL GET MONEY FROM DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO PUMP SAND ON THIS BEACH. BUT WHEN I WENT TO ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH WHEN I WAS A KID, YOU COULD PARK SEVEN ROWS OF CARS ON THERE. YOU HAD A PLACE TO PLAY A FOOTBALL GAME. OKAY.
SO ALL THIS ACTION/REACTION, THE SHIFT IN SAND, EVEN IN THE BIBLE IT SAYS DON'T BUILD ON THE SHIFT IN SAND.
MY GRANDFATHER SAID YOU COULDN'T GIVE HIM MONEY OVER THERE, HONEY. Y'ALL JUST KEEP APPROVING THIS MONEY, PUMPING SAND ON THE BEACH.
THROWING MONEY WAY. IT'S LIKE A FISHING BOAT.
A HOLE IN THE WATER YOU'RE THROWING MONEY WAY IN.
Y'ALL ARE THROWING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MAKING THESE PEOPLE HAPPY, THESE OTHER PEOPLE HAPPY.
AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU AT PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> NICOLE CROSBY -- OH, START AGAIN.
OKAY. NICOLE CROSBY 1169 NECK ROAD.
I'M CHAIR OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
PART OF OUR ROLE IS TO PROTECT EROSION.
I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO ARGUE ACCEPTING A FEMA DUNE WORTH TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS -- WHICH INCLUDES THE MOST USED BEACH IN
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ST. JOHNS COUNTY, MIKELER. MUCH COULD HAPPEN IN THE HURRICANE SEASON OR IN THE STORM SEASON THEREAFTER.I LEARNED LATE LAST NIGHT OF AN 11TH HOUR CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE BERM. IT REALLY DOESN'T SURPRISE ME THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD STOP IT. -- FOR SIX MONTHS THEY MADE US LIVE WITH THIS EYE SORE AND A VERY SERIOUS PUBLIC SAFETY RISK.
AND NOW THEY'RE CARRYING ON ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY.
ISN'T IT INTERESTING? ANYWAY, THE FEMA BERM DIDN'T HAPPEN QUICKLY ENOUGH FOR THEM. AND NOW THEY'RE OUT THERE FEAR MONGERING THEIR NEIGHBORS WITH MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN TO TRY TO STOP THE BERM. AND THEY ACTUALLY CALL IT AN INFORMATION MEETING. THAT'S FUNNY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. -- SHE HAD NO PROBLEM WHEN A RESIDENTIAL LOT WAS USED TO HELP HER GET GEO TUBES.
SHE CLAIMS THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT -- I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THESE FIGURES THEY GAVE US ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS THAT COME THROUGH PER DAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THEM.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CREDIBLE. THEY'VE BEEN LYING TO US FROM DAY ONE. I HAVE IT ALL DOCUMENTED LIE AFTER LIE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT HERE. THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS WERE TREMENDOUSLY INCONVENIENCED BY THEIR GO2 PROJECT.
MANY FOLKS WITH 9:00 TO 5:00 JOBS COULDN'T GO TO WORK.
I REALLY -- THOSE HOME OWNERS CANNOT BE INCONVENIENCED FOR THE REST OF US. BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT JUST FOR US. THAT FEMA BERM WILL PROTECT THEIR GEO TUBES FROM GETTING EXPOSED AGAIN.
AND WE DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED FROM THIS HAPPENING AGAIN.
IMAGINE IF A CHILD FELL OFF THAT.
MS. DERETA I GUESS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT SAFETY RISK.
THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD CAMPAIGN AGAINST A FEMA DUNE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GLADLY ACCEPTED FOUR MONTHS AGO IS DESPICABLE. I WOULD -- HAD THE GO2 PROJECT HAD NOT BEEN SUCH A FIASCO. -- ONLY IN A FAIR AND REASONABLE WAY WITH COMMUNITY REPRESENTATIVES INVOLVED IN THE SCHEDULING OF PUBLIC USE PREFERABLY AFTER SEPTEMBER.
>> HELLO. BETH ANGELO, PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. I JUST WANT IT THANK EVERYONE IT'S TAKEN FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. IRMA WAS IN 2016, TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE. A FEMA BERM IS AN EMERGENCY BERM BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST LIKE TO GIVE AWAY MONEY.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A HUGE RISK.
AND THERE'S A HUGE NEED. AND WE CAN SEE THAT BY 80% OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH REALIZING THIS NEED AND WANTING THIS BERM. AND GOING AND GETTING IT NOTARIZED AND REALLY MAKING AN EFFORT.
WHEN IRMA AND MATTHEW CAME, THERE WERE -- SHE THOUGHT SHE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE. HALF THE PEOPLE WERE NOT EVEN ON HER SIDE LAST NIGHT. SOME WERE.
SOME WEREN'T. BUT THERE WERE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN AUDITORIUMS WHEN THAT HAPPENED JUST PANICKING WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO SAVE OUR BEACH.
THIS IS A MUCH NEEDED PROJECT AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND YOUR STAFF WHO WORKED HARD ON IT.
I KNOW STAFF HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, $30 MILLION FROM FEDERAL FUNDS TO OUR COUNTY IS KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED.
AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO THROW IT AWAY FOR A HANDFUL OF HOMEOWNERS THAT DID THEIR OWN PROJECT, WHICH WAS AN ABSOLUTE DISASTER FOR THE BEACH. ANYWAY, THIS IS FOR THE MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS. IF THEY WOULD HAVE PROBABLY WAITED THEIR TURN, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS GROUP.
WE ASKED THEM TO WAIT THEIR TURN.
IT'S SAD THEY HAD TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN AND CAUSE SO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE REPUTATION, AND STOP MIKELERS FROM BEING USED.
IT WAS JUST A FIASCO. BUT IF IT WAS FOR EVERY HOMEOWNER, I THINK WE COULD HAVE HAD A LOT MORE PATIENCE FROM THE
MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE FEMA BERM NORTH TO SOUTH. 42 MILES.
>> I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF I BELIEVE A MAJORITY OF OUR COUNTY. LAST NIGHT I WAS AT THAT MEETING
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AND I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS MISINFORMATION -- NOT MISINFORMATION BUT A MISUNDERSTANDING.I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE GETTING FACTS CONFUSED ABOUT THE FEMA BERM VERSUS THE ARMY CORPS.
THE PROBLEM WAS IS ALL THAT WAS GETTING CONFUSED.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR TRYING TO KEEP IT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR OVER 3 AND A HALF YEARS AND I STILL GET CONFUSED. SO I UNDERSTAND HOW THAT HAPPENS. THIS IS A BIRD IN OUR HAND.
WE KNOW THIS IS A RENOURISHMENT PROGRAM.
THIS IS LIKE A FIVE YEAR TO PROTECT.
IT'S A BAND AID. WE ALL KNOW THAT.
IN A PERFECT WORLD WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RENOURISHING PROGRAM.
BUT THIS IS TO PROTECT THE BERM. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
IF WE HAD A CRYSTAL BALL WE'D DECIDE YES, DO IT, OR NO, DON'T DO IT. WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE MAJORITY.
I'VE SAID THIS RECENTLY THAT WE'RE A REPUBLIC.
WE VOTE OUR REPRESENTATION IN. AND WE EXPECT YOU TO DO WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR THE MASSES, NOT FOR A FEW, NOT FOR A PRIVATE COUPLE HERE AND THERE. YOU'VE SEEN A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED THESE EASEMENTS.
AND YES, YOU KNOW, IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE'D DREDGE AND HOPPER IT IN AND WE COULDN'T HAVE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THREE YEARS TO GET THESE PERMITS DONE.
WE'RE RIGHT THERE AT THE FINISH LINE TO DO THIS.
WE CAN'T STOP. WE HAVE TO PROCEED AND GO FORWARD AND TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.
HAVING SAID THAT, BEING A REPUBLIC, IT IS YOUR ELECTED RESPONSIBILITY TO BE OUR REPRESENTATION AND TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE MAJORITY. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T MAKE EERYBODY HAPPY. THAT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE.
100% OF US AREN'T GOING TO BE HAPPY.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR OUR COUNTY TO PROTECT OUR BEACHES, TO PROTECT OUR BUDGETS, TO PROTECT OUR SCHOOLS, TO PROTECT OUR BUSINESSES, TO PROTECT OUR HOMES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ELECTED YOU FOR.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE COME TO ASK YOU IS TO PROTECT ALL OF THOSE THINGS. OUR BEACHES ARE THE NUMBER ONE THING PEOPLE COME HERE FOR. I SPOKE TO A GENTLEMAN WHO MOVED FROM OHIO. I SAID WOULD YOU HAVE MOVED HERE KNOWING WHAT WE'RE FACING. HE SAID NO, I WOULD HAVE PICKED A DIFFERENT COUNTY. HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING HERE. WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S BEING OFFERED BY OUR GOVERNMENT.
THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO. >> THANK YOU.
>> ROBERT, PONTE VEDRA BEACH, FLORIDA.
I'D LIKE TO LEND MY SUPPORT TO THE LADY'S VIEWS HERE.
Y'ALL HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE HERE.
IT'S COMPLEX. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO ULTI ULTIMATELY.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY AS LONG AS YOU CONSIDER THE COMMON GOOD, DO THE RIGHT THING AND I'LL SUPPORT YOU AS WELL.
I GOT CONFUSED. ITEM 9 PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WENT BACK TO THE LAMP PROGRAM. I'M SORRY.
>> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.
>> IF I -- >> COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I SAID EARLIER.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT IF MY IDEA MOVES FORWARD.
I'D SORT OF LIKE TO ASK THE CONTRACTOR TO COME UP FOR A MINUTE. DAVID.
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ON THE RECORD ABOUT THE DISCUSS WE HAD OVER THE NOON HOUR. IF IN FACT THIS COMMISSION DIRECTS THE STAFF TO WORK WITH YOU TO IDENTIFY THE USE OF MIKELERS LANDING PARKING LOT, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU WOULD NOT
USE IT ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAY. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> JUST DURING THE WEEK. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> AND YOU WOULD TRY TO USE IT AS PRACTICAL AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE TO MOVE AS MANY TRUCKS THROUGH THERE SAFELY.
>> WE WOULD. >> AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS ON THE OTHER PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> PLEASE. >> I HAD ONE QUESTION, TOO.
SUMMER HAVEN SOUTH TWO MILES DISTANCE, THAT'S DOABLE TOO.
>> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT.
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>> DOWN SOUTH, IF WE DON'T GET THE MATANZAS RAMP USAGE.
>> AS FAR AS DOING SUMMER HAVEN. >> YEAH.
>> IT IS DOABLE. >> NOT SUMMER HAVEN, SUMMER
>> WE COULD GO TWO MILES ON THE SOUTH.
>> THERE IS ACCESS POINTS. >> OKAY.
>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> WHOEVER IS NEXT.
>> I'LL LET YOU GO NEXT. >> WHEN IT COMES TO UTILIZING.
IF YOU WERE TO UTILIZE THAT MIKELERS PARKING LOT, IS THERE ANY DAMAGE THAT COULD COME TO IT?
>> THERE WILL BE DAMAGE. THE ASPHALT WILL BE DAMAGED.
THE CONCRETE PATH LEADING TO THE BEACH WILL BE DAMAGED.
OPENING IT TO THE PUBLIC ON THE WEEKENDS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SET UP A PATH WHERE THE PUBLIC COULD USE THE ACCESS.
THE PARKING LOT WILL PROBABLY BE PARTIAL DURING THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE THERE MAY BE DAMAGE. IF THE PARKING LOT IS NOT DAMAGED, WE CAN OPEN IT UP. BUT WE WILL NEED A STAGING AREA FOR THE PUBLIC DURING THE WEEKEND.
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN ALLUDED THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS THAT COULD BE ACCRUED TO THE ACCESS POINT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE EQUAL TO THE COST OF REPAIR.
>> -- >> THE COST OF REPAIR WOULD BE
GREATER. >> -- WE SHOULD BE ABLE JUST A ROUGH NUMBER COULD BE 40 OR 50% REDUCTION.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING LOCATING OTHER SITES FURTHER NORTH.
SO THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS IN ANY SPECIFIC SITE AND SPREAD IT OUT OVER A FEW AREAS.
>> WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY USING MIKELER WOULD GIVE YOU MORE
>> HOW DOES THAT IMPACT SAFETY AS WELL?
>> SAFETY WILL BE -- IF YOU REDUCE TRAFFIC ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD, DEFINITELY SAFETY WILL BE A LESSER EFFECT.
WE'RE NOT SEEING ALL OF OUR MOT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE SEEING A TYPICAL. IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL MOT PLAN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNAGE UP.
IT'S GOING TO BE INFORMATIVE TO EVERYBODY.
WE DO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE BUDGET TO CONTROL SOME OF THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT. WE WON'T TRY TO SAVE A DOLLAR FOR SAFETY. EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE THAT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BEACH. I THINK THERE'S MISINFORMATION.
WE DO THIS FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA.
YOU HAVE AN ATV IN FRONT OF THE TRUCK.
YOU DO HAVE A FLAGGER STANDING THERE.
WHENEVER YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT HAS PLENTY OF ACCESS TO THE BEACH, YOU HAVE A FLAGGER MAKING SURE THERE'S NO PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OR LAYING ON THE BEACH. THEY'VE PUT US THROUGH THE RINGER ON SAFETY HERE. AS FAR AS ON THE ROAD OR
BEACHES. >> IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU WORKED IN HEAVILY CONGESTED AREAS.
>> EVERY SINGLE AREA. >> SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DEALING
>> WHAT ISSUES HAVE COME FROM THAT? HAVE YOU IDENTIFIED ANY ISSUES OR SAFETY ISSUES?
>> THE PROCESS WE USE HAS BEEN PROVEN.
PROBABLY OVER A HUNDRED PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS FOR THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. FEDERAL SAFETY REQUIREMENT WHICH SUPERCEDES OSHA. IT HAS VEHICLES ALL OVER THE PLACE, YOU HAVE PERSONNEL FLAGGERS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DO THESE PROJECTS IN THE SAFEST WAY.
>> OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTECT BEACHES. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY AS WELL ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EQUATION. AS FAR AS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THEY WANT SAND. IT'S JUST THE CONCERNS OF HOW IT'S BEING DELIVERED AND SOME OF THE EFFECTS THAT CAN HAPPEN WHERE YOU HAVE A LARGE SCALE PROJECT HAPPENING IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT CAN HAPPEN.
CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT A LITTLE BIT FOR US AND HELP US
UNDERSTAND WHAT PRECAUTIONS. >> I'LL BRING RYAN UP.
HE'S A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
IT'S BEEN DONE ALL OVER THE COAST FROM SOUTH MIAMI ALL THE WAY UP THE COAST. THE TRUCK, WHEREVER YOU HAVE TRUCK ACCESS, THERE'S A RADIUS SET UP.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU DO HAVE VIBRATION MONITORING GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT DURATION. I'LL LET RYAN TAKE OVER FROM HERE. THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT.
>> SO JUST TO TAKE ONE STEP BACK.
IF WE DO USE MIKELERS, WE WILL NEED OTHER LOTS AS WELL.
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AND THAT'S IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE CONGESTION AS DAVID MENTIONED. STRUCTURALLY, WE ARE TAKING EVERY PRECAUTION THAT WE CAN. WE'VE ENGAGED A THIRD PARTY STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING GROUP. THEY DO A PRE AND POST SURVEY THAT GO OUT TO ALL HOMEOWNERS WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS.ANY AREAS THAT THEY DEEM AS A POSSIBLE LOCATION THAT COULD HAVE DAMAGE, THEY GO TO THOSE SITES.
THEY SURVEY THE SITE. ANY AREAS WITHIN A 200-FOOT RADIUS OF THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF, THEY SET UP VIBRATION MONITORS THAT ARE IN REAL TIME GIVING DATA BACK TO US SO THAT WE CAN TRACK EVERYTHING IN REAL TIME.
THEY ALSO DO POST SURVEYS TO ASSESS ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES THAT WOULD INCUR. WE DO THIS IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. AS DAVID WAS ALLUDING TO, WHEN WE SAY CONGESTION, IT WAS SOUTH BEACH, FLORIDA.
YOU CANNOT FIND ANOTHER PLACE THAT HAS BEACH GOERS, HIGH RISES, EXPENSIVE HOUSES. AND WE PERFORMED THE SAME EXACT PROJECT. WE USE THE SAME VIBRATION MONITORING, AND WE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH THAT.
>> DID Y'ALL IDENTIFY ANY STRUCTURAL DAMAGE THAT HAD TO BE
ADDRESSED IN THAT PROJECT? >> NO, SIR.
IF I MAY, I THINK THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THIS IS FROM THE THIRD PARTY SURVEYOR STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING GROUP. AND THEY LITERALLY SAY THAT CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS OF THE TYPE THAT WE'RE USING, THEY KNOW THE SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT, THEY KNOW THE SPECIFIC APPROACH.
THEY SAY ARE NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON ANY BUILDINGS. S WE'RE TAKING THIS PRECAUTIONARY EFFORT BUT WE DON'T EXPECT THERE TO BE ANY
SO LAST NIGHT -- I APPRECIATE THAT.
LAST NIGHT AT THE MEETING THERE WAS SEVERAL PARTIES IDENTIFIED LOTS. I THINK YOU WERE PRESENT. I THINK YOU SAID YOU WOULD MEET WITH THEM.
ARE YOU ALL STILL ASSESSING OTHER ACCESS POINTS?
>> WE WILL BE REVIEWING ACCESS POINTS UNTIL THE PROJECT COMPLETES. WE THINK THAT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST AS WELL. ANY TIME WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY ANOTHER ACCESS POINT THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE TRUCKS WILL BE ON THE BEACH, THAT MEANS WE'RE OUT OF HERE QUICKER. WE'RE OUT OF YOUR HAIR AND IF REDUCES THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO SAFETY.
SO UNTIL THE PROJECT'S COMPLETE, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR OTHER ACCESS POINTS TO INCREASE THE SCHEDULE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THIS QUESTION. LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE ANY --
COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> MR. DERETA SPECIFICALLY SAID ONE OF THE HOMES IS NOT A PILINGS.
YOU'RE REFERENCING THE HOMES ON SOUTH BEACH, MIAMI BEACH.
I KNOW THE AREA WELL. WERE ANY OF THOSE HOMES, STRUCTURES NOT ON PILINGS. WOULD THERE BE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE PROJECT HERE VERSUS THE ONES YOU DID IN SOUTH FLORIDA.
>> THERE WILL BE NO DIFFERENCE. SO FAR LESS ANYTHING YOU'D EVER EXPERIENCE WHETHER IT BE A HURRICANE OR ANOTHER STORM.
IT'S NOT EVEN A CONCERN. BUT WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MONITORING AS WE GO.
BUT THERE'S NO CONCERNS AT THAT END.
>> AND THE LAST QUESTION, YOU SAID IF WE USE MIKELER, THAT YOU
WOULD NEED OTHER LOTS. >> YES, SIR.
>> BEING DISCUSSED. WHERE WOULD THOSE OTHER LOTS BE?
>> SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED TWO LOTS. ONE IS 945, ONE IS 965.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE MOST NORTH THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO OBTAIN A LOT THAT IS MORE NORTH, THAT REDUCES OUR TIME ON THE BEACH.
>> EVEN IF WE CHOOSE TO USE MIKELER AS AN ACCESS POINT, WE WOULD STILL NEED 945 AND 965, OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T EVER THE
TIME TO DO THE PROJECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.
AND PART OF IT GOES TO THE CONGESTION.
YOU DON'T WANT THE CONGESTION AT 965 AND MOVE IT TO MIKELERS.
YOU REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CONGESTION BY 50%.
SO YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED BOTH ACCESS POINTS.
>> SO LET ME, IF I MAY, LET ME GO OFF THAT.
WHAT IS MIKELER WAS THE ONLY OPTION, COULD YOU ACCOMPLISH
THIS PROJECT? >> IF WE COULD ONLY USE MIKELERS, WE WOULD NOT FINISH THE PROJECT IN TIME.
AND WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT YOU WOULD --
>> THAT WE WOULD NOT FINISH ON TIME.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> WELL IF I MAY, I'LL SUMMARIZE WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE GO.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION. BUT AS PART OF THE MOTION, WE ACTUALLY HAVE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TWO MOTIONS.
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BUT AS PART OF THIS MOTION, I WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING IF THIS PROJECT GOES FORWARD, THAT IT IS WAS THIS COUNTY COMMISSION THAT MADE THE DECISION TO CONSIDER USING MIKELER'S PARKING LOT.IT WAS NOT THE STAFF. THE STAFF DID NOT COME TO ME.
I WENT TO THE STAFF. I WENT TO THE CONTRACTOR.
I WENT TO SEVERAL COMMUNITY LEADERS, ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY LEADERS. AND DISCUSSED IT.
SO WHAT I WOULD, AGAIN, PROPOSE IS THAT WE GO FORWARD WITH THE MUCH NEEDED FEMA PROJECT. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND WE INCLUDE THE SUMMER HOUSE CONDOMINIUM. IT'S REALLY, REALLY CRITICALLY IMPACTED. THAT WE NEED TO DO.
I WISH WE COULD GET FEMA TO AUTHORIZE RAISING THE SIX-FOOT BERM TO 12-FOOT BERM. BUT I'M NOT SURE.
I CAN'T GET -- SOME THINGS I JUST CAN'T ACCOMPLISH.
AND CONVINCING FEMA TO DO THAT IS ONE OF THEM.
BUT MOVING NORTH, AS WE GO FORWARD, IF WE GO FORWARD, I WANT TO SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING SOON THIS SUMMER TO DISCUSS THE USE OF MIKELERS PARKING LOT, AND GET ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS INTERESTED TO COME.
BUT AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT ONE LAST TIME, IF THERE'S EVER A REASON TO USE MIKELERS PARKING LOT FOR A STAGING AREA, THIS IS IT.
IT'S BEACH RESTORATION. IT'S SORELY NEEDED.
AND IT HELPS REDUCE THE RISK FACTOR ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND THESE OTHER LOTS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD BE OVERWHELMED WITH DUMP TRUCKS. SO WITH THAT, WITH THOSE CAVEATS, IF THAT'S CLEAR, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO MAKE A
MOTION. >> I APPRECIATE IT, COMMISSIONER. CAN WE JUST GO TO COMMISSIONER
WHITEHURST REAL QUICK. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MS. ANDREWS, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
DO PEOPLE STILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO OPT OUT IF THEY'VE GIVEN PERMISSION FOR AN EASEMENT AND NOW DUE TO WHATEVER INFORMATION
HAS BEEN REVEALED TO THEM. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I THINK THE EASEMENT DEADLINE HAS PASSED. BUT IT IS ENTIRELY THE BOARD'S DECISION TO BE MADE IF YOU WANT TO GRANT ADDITIONAL TIME FOR STAFF TO ELICIT THEIR FEEDBACK ON THEIR WILLINGNESS TO
>> WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE, MS. ANDREWS?
>> IF IT IS THE BOARD'S DESIRE TO GRANT LET'S SAY A FEW MORE WEEKS FOR THEM TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION BASED ON THE NEW INFORMATION WE'RE PROVIDING OR THE NEW DECISIONS THAT TODAY THE BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE, WE COULD POTENTIAL ADD ADDENDUM TO OUR CONTRACT AND KIND OF MUTUALLY AGREE THAT WE AGREE ON NOT TO -- CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD UPON THE PARTICIPATION NUMBER AT THE END OF WHATEVER THAT GRACE PERIOD
THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT. >> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, AS I HEARD YOUR QUESTION, I THINK MS. ANDREWS COVERED THAT SOME. BUT I THINK TO PUT IT IN A LITTLE MORE FOCUS, IF SOMEBODY HAD GRANTED CONSENT, SIGNED AN EASEMENT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PERSON TO WITHDRAW THAT? IS THAT KIND OF THE FOCUS QUESTION? RIGHT.
AND I THINK MS. ANDREWS COVERED THAT SOME.
BUT SEEING HOW THAT'S SORT OF A LEGAL ISSUE, REBECCA, YOU HAVE A
IT WOULD BE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO OPT OUT OR NOT. IF THE BOARD DID WISH TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO OPT OUT, THAT IS THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE.
I WOULD SAY FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, AT SOME POINT WE'LL GET TO WHERE IF YOU'RE IN YOU HAVE TO BE IN IN ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. UP UNTIL THAT POINT, IT IS WITHIN THE BOARD'S POWER TO ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY
GRANTED EASTMENTS TO -- >> ARE WE STILL WAITING ON
>> TWO QUESTIONS. WE'RE WAITING ON AN EXTENSION REQUEST AS WELL. DO WE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK OR ESTIMATION ON WHEN WE'LL RECEIVE WRD ON THAT?
>> NO, SIR, WE DON'T. BUT JUST THIS PAST WEEK WE HAVE RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM FWC AND WE'VE UPLOADED THOSE.
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>> THOSE ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE?
WHAT WOULD THAT MOVE THE DEADLINE TO?
>> WE REQUESTED THE DEADLINE BE BUMPED TO JUNE 30, 2022.
>> THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL TIME WE THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING WITH.
>> YES, SIR. >> A LOT OF THIS WAS CONDENSED BASED ON FEBRUARY WE RECEIVED NOTICE THAT THE ORIGINAL
DEADLINE HAD BEEN CONDENSED. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
YS, SIR. >> JUST AS FEEDBACK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I'M GETTING EMAILS ABOUT THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT ARE MORE SAFETY CONCERNS. I FEEL BASED ON COMMISSIONER DEAN'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE THROUGH OPENING UP MICRO BEACH. DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE, AGAIN, IT'S OUR DECISION AS A BOARD. BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES BY OPENING UP MIKELER?
>> IT WOULD ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
WE'VE HAD EXTENSIVE SAFETY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY GOT A PRETTY EXTENSIVE SAFETY PLAN.
HE'S AVAILABLE IF YOU WANT HIM TO TALK TO THAT.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
CAN THEY ADDRESS THAT? >> WANT TO TALK TO THE SAFETY
PLAN, DAVID? >> AND AGAIN, I THINK SOME OF
THIS YOU'VE ADDRESSED PRIOR. >> AS DAVID ALLUDED TO, SO OUR PROGRAM IS BASED ON EM 335 THAT SUPERCEDES OSHA.
EVERYTHING IS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT OSHA TYPICALLY REQUIRES.
SAFETY AND HEALTH OFFICER THAT HAS AN ENTIRE TEAM DEDICATED TO HIM. AND HIS SOLE PURPOSE IS TO ENSURE OUR TEAM IS SAFE, TO ENSURE OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE SAFE. AND WE'RE ALSO TRAINING OUR GUYS TO KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT.
SO THE TRUCKS THAT ARE ON THE BEACH THEMSELVES, EVERY SINGLE ONE WILL HAVE ATVS THAT ARE ESCORTING IN AND OUT ALL PUBLIC ACCESS POINTS WILL HAVE FLAGGERS.
THE CORRIDOR LEADING TO THE TEMPLATE PLACEMENT WILL BE DELINEATED WITH CONES AND ORANGE FENCING.
WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE EVERYWHERE. AGAIN, ALL OF OUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE TRAINED AS FLAGGERS. WE'VE GOT RADIOS.
ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE BACK-UP ALARMS. THE MOT PROGRAM THAT WE UTILIZE IS AN FDOT APPROVED PROGRAM.
WE USE THIS CURRENTLY ON THE BRIDGE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE REQUIRED TO SHUTDOWN I-10 WEST AND EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.
SO WE BRING THAT SAME EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE WHEN IT COMES TO OUR SAFETY TEAM. WE'VE ALSO ENGAGED YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WE'VE ALLOTTED OVER 5,000 HOURS IN OUR PROPOSAL SPECIFICALLY FOR OFF DUTY OFFICERS.
WE WILL BE SETTING UP AN OFFICER AT EVERY SINGLE ACCESS POINT ALONG THE BEACH. AND THEN THE TRUCKING STAGING AREA AS WELL. SO IT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE
WELL I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW.
WE MAY HAVE MORE AT THIS POINT WITH KIND OF HAVING THIS INFORMATION AS IT DEVELOPS. WE'LL GET BACK TO IT.
>> THE ONLY REMAINING THING I WOULD ASK THE BOARD DOES ANYONE WANT TO JUST QUICKLY REVISIT AND LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD SHOWING WHAT WILL NOW BE THE PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ELIMINATING PRIMARILY CRESCENT BEACH.
I DON'T NEED TO BUT I JUST WANT IT MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE IF WE GO FORWARD, WHAT WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH.
>> PONTE VEDRA 1, 2, AND SOUTH PONTE VEDRA AND SOUTH CRESCENT BEACH RIGHT THERE AT SUMMER HOUSE.
THE 4,000 FEET FROM MATANZAS RAMP NORTH.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND THAT'S WHAT I WILL BE RECOMMENDING IN MY MOTION. OKAY.
>> WE'VE GOT COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
>> JUST A QUESTION I HAD AS A BOARD.
I UNDERSTAND WE COULD GET MORE EASEMENTS, MAYBE LOSE SOME.
BUT WHY WOULD WE DELAY A PROJECT THAT IS NEEDED FOR SAFETY THROUGH ANOTHER HURRICANE SEASON INTO THE BEGINNING OF THE NEXT HURRICANE SEASON? IF THERE'S NO MONEY DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THE COST SAYS, WHY WOULD WE NOT PUSH TO GET IT DONE AND DURING THE WINTER MONTHS NOW WHEN MIKELER'S IS GOING TO BE LESS USED? I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD PUSH
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IT INTO -- BECAUSE IF WE DON'T GET THE PERMITS, THEY'D PUSH IT -- I WOULD THINK WE'D WANT TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY ASPOSSIBLE. >> THE ONLY THING IS WITH A DECEMBER DEADLINE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY, WE HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY WE COULD MOVE IT INTO JANUARY.
>> RIGHT. BUT I'D STILL LIKE TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND GET THE WORK DONE.
>> I AGREE. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS MORE -- BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION PRESENTED THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS DID NOT HAVE.
NOW THAT WE'RE RELOOKING AT THIS, AND WE'LL SEE IF IT PASSES, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MIKELER.
I THINK THAT MIGHT HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
MAYBE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE PEOPLE TO OPT IN.
COMMISSIONER, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A WHILE.
>> NO, THAT'S FINE. HAS THERE BEEN AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT IT WILL COST TO REPAIR MIKELERS AFTER THIS IS DONE?
>> APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONERS. I MISSED THAT COMMENT.
>> HAS THERE BEEN AN ESTIMATE OF COST TO REPAIR MIKELER'S IF IT IS UTILIZED? (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MIC).
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THAT, COMMISSIONER.
CHE JUST SAID BETWEEN $200,000 TO $260,000.
>> CONCRETE AND STUFF. >> TOTAL.
>> THANK YOU IT. HOW MANY DAYS DO YOU THINK YOU ESTIMATE THAT YOU WOULD UTILIZE IT?
>> AS I RECALL THERE ON SITE, THERE AT PONTE VEDRA 76 WORK
DAYS. >> IF I UNDERSTAND IT UTILIZING MIKELERS WOULD REDUCE THAT. HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE EXCLUSIVELY MIKELERS. 40% -- I'M SORRY, MY VOICE HAD LOST. A REDUCTION, 945, 965.
HOW MANY DAYS ON MIKELERS. >> YOU'D PROBABLY NEED THE CONTRACTORS TO PICK BECAUSE IT'S ALL NEWS TO BOB.
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO BOB ABOUT THIS.
>> IT'S ALL NEWS TO EVERYBODY. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT
DONE. >> IT'S NOT JUST THE TIME THAT YOU'RE WORKING. THERE'S GOING TO BE PREPARATION REQUIRED ON THE FRONT END TO GET MIKELERS READY.
THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE TO TWO MONTHS AFTERWARDS IN ORDER FOR THE RESTORATION. FOR THE PURPOSE OF MIKELERS BEING CLOSED, I WOULD SAY FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
>> COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD JUMP IN.
LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE EARLIER YOU SAID, OR SOMEONE SAID SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS MIKELER WOULD STILL BE OPERATIONAL.
>> SO IT WOULD BE OPERATIONAL. I MEAN, WE WOULD NOT BE PERFORMING OUR OPERATION SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
BUT WHAT WE WOULD REQUEST IS THAT WE HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA AT MIKELERS THAT WE COULD STORE OUR EQUIPMENT.
WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS PROVIDE A SAFE PATHWAY FOR BEACH
GOERS. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
I'M TAKING COMMISSIONER SMITH'S TIME.
MY APOLOGIES. WHEN YOU MENTIONED FOUR MONTHS,
YOU SAID FOUR MONTHS. >> I WOULD ASSUME FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. THAT INCLUDES THE PREP WORK
REQUIRED ON THE FRONT END. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE OPENING MIKELER UP ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
>> START TO FINISH. FOUR TO SIX MONTHS START TO
FINISH. >> WOULD MIKELER BE ABLE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS WITH THAT PLAN.
>> YES. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CRYSTAL, CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THIS. STAFF, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
>> YES, SIR. >> MY APOLOGIES, MR. SMITH.
>> YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS I WOULD AS WELL.
BUT ALSO ENGAGING WITH THAT, IF THERE'S FOUR TO SIX MONTHS, AND THERE'S DAMAGE DONE TO THE PARKING LOT, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GOING TO BE A REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACES BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE SOME OF THAT. BUT ALSO IS THERE OUTSTANDING LIABILITY FOR THE DAMAGE DONE FOR SOMEBODY UTILIZING THAT
FACILITY? >> SO WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE ON THE ASPHALT PARKING AREA, THAT WOULD NOT BE UTILIZED ON THE WEEKENDS. SO WE WOULD DELINEATE THAT
CLEARLY FOR SAFETY. >> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN AND OUT OF ONE INGRESS EGRESS THERE.
IS THERE ADEQUATE ROOM TO FUNNEL PEOPLE INTO THAT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT IF THERE'S DAMAGE DONE.
>> WE BELIEVE SO. BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT MORE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING YOU WITH WHAT YOU
NEED. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS, STAFF AND BOARD AS WELL. WE'RE LOOKING AT A BOTTOM LINE
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NUMBER TO BE APPROVED AS -- IN ADDITION FOR COST FOR THIS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED WOULD BE $260,000. IS THAT CORRECT?>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WILL THERE BE ANY -- WE ASKED THIS TO DAVID A WHILE AGO. IS THERE ANY SAVINGS BY OPENING THIS UP AS WELL? IS THAT INCLUSIVE TO THAT OR SAVINGS BY HAVING LESS OF A TRAVEL TIME TO GO NORTH OR
SOUTH? >> THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE.
>> $260,000. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SAVINGS
INCLUDED. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION. THAT CONTRACTOR HAS AGREED TO RECOVER THE DAMAGE AT THEIR COST FOR THE MIKELER DAMAGE AND AS WELL AS THE PATH TURNING TO MIKELER PARKING LOT.
SO THE $260,000 WOULD NOT BE IN ADDITION TO THE COST THAT WE
HAVE ALREADY INCURRED. >> THIS $4.3 MILLION INCLUDES
>> SIR, SO IF I MAY SPEAK HERE. >> I'M CONFUSED NOW.
RIGHT NOW WITHOUT MIKELERS, WE HAVE THREE ACCESS POINTS IDENTIFIED. SO MIKELERS DOES COME INTO PLAY.
THAT WILL ALLEVIATE THE NEED -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CHC, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE NEED FOR 945 AND 1181.
THERE'S RESOURCES ATTACHED TO THAT.
BRINGING MIKELERS INTO PLAY IT WOULD BE A WASH, AS I UNDERSTAND
IT. >> IS EVERYBODY FOLLOWING THIS?
I WANT TO BE CLEAR, IT WILL BE A WASH.
THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBERS PLUS MIKELERS BEING DOWN FOUR TO SIX
MONTHS FIVE DAYS A WEEK. >> YES, SIR.
>> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
>> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. ON 9, MOTION TO PROVE RESOLUTION
>> FINALIZE NEGOTIATIONS AND EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH CONTINENTAL HEAVY CIVIL COURT. EMERGENCY BERM RESTORATION AND SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR FORM AND FORMAT AS THE ATTACHED.
SHOULD I MAKE THESE IN SEPARATE MOTIONS, STAFF OR LEGAL?
>> I WOULD MAKE THEM IN SEPARATE MOTIONS, YES.
>> I'LL STAND ON THIS FIRST MOTION.
>> WE ALSO HAVE MIKELER. >> I'LL SECOND.
>> WELL I HAVE -- I THINK THE STAFF UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE TWEAKED THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE OR DIRECTED THE CONTRACTOR, AND HE HAS AGREED TO USE MIKELER BUT FOR SATURDAY AND SUNDAY FOR FOUR TO SIX MONTHS. SO THAT WAS I THINK THE
DISCUSSION WILL REFLECT THAT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE LEGAL AND STAFF. I THINK WE'RE CLEAR AS A BOARD.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TO CLEAR THIS UP LATER.
>> ABSOLUTELY. JUST ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE BEFORE WE WALK OUT OF HERE TODAY. YOU WILL STILL HAVE ACCESS POINTS REQUIRED AT 965, IT'S ONE OF THOSE TWO OR NORTH OF THAT.
IT'S NOT JUST WHOLESALE MIKELERS, IT'S MIKELERS PLUS ADDITIONAL SITES. MS. ANDREWS WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT CONDITIONS. IF TODAY, THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW A GRACE PERIOD OF I ADJUST ADDRESS IT, A GRACE PERIOD OF EASEMENT ACQUISITION OR WITHDRAWAL UP UNTIL THE PROJECT START. I THINK MS. LAVIE CAN GIVE THE
PROJECT LANGUAGE. >> I AGREE IT SHOULD BE DONE WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED IT IN THE MOTION, IT'S ON THE RECORD.
YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO LEGAL OR CHAIR. BUT I THINK IT'S UNDERSTOOD AND INCLUDED IN THE RECORD TO DO THAT GRACE PERIOD AS WELL AS
MIKELERS. >> DO WE HAVE TO DEFINE THAT, THOUGH? DO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH A NEW
DEADLINE? OPT IN. >> I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH BOTH STAFF AND THE CONTRACTOR IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT DEADLINE WOULD BE. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF YOU'D LIKE TO GENERALLY AUTHORIZE THAT AT THIS TIME TO SAY UNTIL SUCH A DATE AS DETERMINED AS A PROJECT START
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DATE, WE CAN WORK WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND STAFF TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT DATE WOULD BE.ADDITIONALLY, YOU MAY WANT TO AS A BOARD AUTHORIZE EITHER YOURSELF AS CHAIR OR THE ADMINISTRATOR TO ACCEPT ANY SUBSEQUENT EASEMENTS OR TERMINATIONS THAT COME IN UP TO
LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. UNDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD DELEGATE THAT TO STAFF TO WORK OUT.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO SET A DEADLINE TODAY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DELEGATE TO OPT IN AT A POINT.
>> IF I MAY REFINE THAT FOR MS. LAVIE.
I THINK DETERMINED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
>> WE DELEGATE THAT TO MR. CONRAD TO GO FROM THERE.
ROBERT, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY?
>> ONE MORE THING, IF I MAY JUST TO KIND OF HAVE IT ALL CLEANED UP. ENCOMPASSING THE MOTION IS THE OPTIONS HAD BEEN DISCUSSED RIGHT WITH THAT SLIDE UP THERE ABOUT PONTE VEDRA BEACH 1, PONTE VEDRA BEACH 2, SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH 1 AND THEN SOUTH SECTION OF BEACH WHICH IS THAT SUMMER HOUSE
THAT'S WHAT I OUTLINED EARLIER TO MAKE SURE WE WERE DOING THE
PROJECT I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING. >> RIGHT.
>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, LET'S
JUST GIVE HIM A CHANCE. >> I GOT A QUESTION REGARD TO IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE OPTING IN AND OPTING OUT, DOES THAT NOT AFFECT
THE BOTTOM LINE? >> I CAN ADDRESS THAT, COMMISSIONER SMITH. I THINK IF WE GIVE THEM A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO CONSIDER OR RECONSIDER WITH THE NEW INFORMATION PROVIDED TODAY. WE DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT AT THIS TIME. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT EXCEEDING THE TIME NEEDED FOR STAGING AND PREPARATION, IT SHOULD NOT
AFFECT THE BOTTOM LINE. >> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> WOULD YOU ALL LIKE ME TO RE-READ THE FIRST MOTION? I'M GOING TO RE-READ THE FIRST MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 221.
>> 265. >> AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH CONTINENTAL HEAVY CIVIL PORT. -- EMERGENCY BERM RESTORATION IN SUBSTANTIALLY CIVIL FORMAT AS ATTACHED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.
AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
IT PASSES 5-0. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE
>> RECOGNIZING AND APPROPRIATING A DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FEMA GRANT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 27 MILLION -- IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT GRANT IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 2 MILLION -- WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR 2021 BUDGET AND MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF -- FROM THE
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APPROPRIATE FUND RESERVES. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.
OKAY. THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. OKAY.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN BREWER. THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO SUPPORT THE WATER FACILITY SUPPLY PLAN. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT OF FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 163.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE WATER SUPPLY PLANNER.
LARRY DID. THAT HAS BEEN OUT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE NOW FOR NUMEROUS MONTHS. AND IT IS AVAILABLE AT THIS WEBSITE. AS YOU ARE AWARE, WE ADDED SIX NEW POLICIES. WE REVISED 12 POLICIES.
WE DELETED NINE DUPLICATE POLICIES.
AND ALL OF THOSE DETAILS REVISIONS ARE IN YOUR PACKAGE TODAY. ACTIONS TO DATE, WE HAVE HAD OUR
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TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND WE DID TRANSMIT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THAT CAME BACK.AND WE HAD THE ADOPTION HEARING TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. AND THEY VOTED 5-0 TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION AS TWO MEMBERS WERE ABSENT THAT DAY.
ACTIONS TO DATE WE HAVE RECEIVED SINCE WE TRANSMITTED FIVE AGENCY LETTERS. FROM THOSE AGENCIES, THEY WERE COMMENT LETTERS BUT THEY HAD NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR REQUESTS FOR REVISIONS. SO I PROVIDED TWO MOTIONS TO YOU TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. AND WE ARE HERE FOR ANY
QUESTIONS. >> ANY BOARD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 13 COMP PLAN AMENDMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT. I SEE NONE, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. AND BEFORE WE VOTE, I HAVE TO SAY ONE QUICK THANK YOU TO THE STAFF, PARTICULARLY THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. MY OLD COMPADRES I WORKED WITH YEARS AGO. WITH THAT, I -- TO ADDRESS WATER
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SUPPLY AND ADOPTION OF WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN.>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY VICE CHAIRMAN DEAN. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5-0.
ALL RIGHT. SO THAT COMPLETES OUR REGULAR AGENDA. WE'LL MOVE IN TO GENERAL PUBLIC
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. EVERYONE I THINK KNOWS THIS IS THREE MINUTES ON EVERY SUBJECT. YOU MAY PROCEED.
NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MAUREEN LONG, 1821 CASTILE STREET, MENENDEZ PARK. THIS IS A JOYOUS DAY.
FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, MY FAMILY, NEIGHBORS, AND CONSERVATION ALONG WITH AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF ST.
JOHNS TAXPAYERS HAVE CALLED FOR INCREASED -- IT IS CLEAR THAT OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE LISTENED.
YOU HAVE HEARD US. YOU HAVE HEARD THE RESIDENTS CALLING FOR A COUNTER BALANCE BY PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES IN ORDER TO PRESERVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR FUTURE ST. JOHNS COUNTY. YOU TOOK THESE ACTIONS TO BRING BACK ONE EXTREMELY VITAL WAY TO ACQUIRE AND PRESERVE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE LAND. BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACES AND ANIMAL HABITATS. I AM CERTAIN THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL LOOK BACK AND BE THANKFUL.
FOR THESE ACTIONS TODAY, WE THANK YOU.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISDOM, SUPPORT AND APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE TO RELIGHT OUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAMP.
HEALTH AND HAPPINESS TO ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> SHERRY BADGER 2772 ST.
AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. I FEEL IT'S REAL CONVENIENT THAT YOU MOVED PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE END OF THE MEETING, STIFLING THE PUBLIC FROM BEING ABLE TO COME. AT LEAST I WAS ABLE TO COME FOR 18 MONTHS AND GET SOME OF MY ISSUES ADDRESSED.
THE ARROGANT AND DISMISSIVENESS OF TRYING TO STIFLE THE PUBLIC.
BUT I ALSO HAVE SOME PHOTOS RIGHT HERE ON MY ONGOING -- I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
ON OUTSIDE. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP HERE AND WAIT ALL DAY TO GET MY CONCERNS ADDRESSED. THANK YOU.
HERE'S A PICTURE I TOOK. IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO.
DON'T KNOW. THE ONLY THING THE IMPROVEMENT DID DOWN AT THE CORNER WAS MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE SEMI TRACTOR-TRAILER TRUCKS TO COME IN AND OUT OF THE ACCESSES.
THE CISCO TRUCK EVEN DID A THREE-POINT TURN SINCE THERE WAS ACCESS TODAY. THERE'S WATER STILL COMING ACROSS THE ROAD WHERE THE DITCH IS NO LONGER TO TAKE THIS IMPACT. BECAUSE A YEAR BEFORE THEY APPROVED THIS, THE COUNTY RODE AND BRIDGE CAME IN AND NOW THE
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ROAD FLOWS THIS WAY. NOW WE DON'T HAVE OUR FOUR-FOOT DITCH WHICH WAS 266 CUBIC YARDS, HOLD'S 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER.NOW THE LITTLE RETENTION POND HOLDS PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE 15.
BUT I COME BACK AND FORTH. THIS IS THE THIRD YEAR IN A ROW THAT I'VE BEEN TO THESE BUDGET MEETINGS.
HOW MUCH MONEY THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO SPEND TO KEEP THE PEOPLE IN PONTE VEDRA SAFE FROM WATER.
THIS WAS CREATED BY THE COUNTY. I WAS TOLD THIS PROJECT WOULD BE DONE RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN NOTHING DONE RIGHT WITH THIS PROJECT SINCE IT STARTED.
THIS WAS SLAMMED THROUGH WITHOUT.
WE NEVER EVEN GOT TO COME. IT WAS A MAJOR MODIFICATION.
AND EVERYTHING I BROUGHT BEFORE YOU HAS FALLEN ON DEAF EARS.
BUT WHEN WE GET FLOODED AND WATER COMES IN OUR HOUSES, WE WILL BE BACK TO SEE YOU. BUT UNTIL THEN, THE TRUCKING ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. THIS WAS BACK WHEN THE LITTLE BERM THAT WAS GOING TO KEEP THE WATER FROM COMING ACROSS.
YOU CAN STILL SEE RIGHT HERE, IT CAME ACROSS THE ROAD ANYWAY.
SO THIS DID NOTHING TO KEEP THE WATER OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO ANYWAY, GENTLEMEN, THURSDAY MORNING IS A PRIME TIME. OH.
AND HERE'S ONE MORE. MAYBE YOU CAN KEEP THE TRUCKS
THANK YOU. >> I ALSO WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SPEAKER TO SEND EMAILS, PHONE CALLS.
WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS WHO REACH OUT TO US AND PROVIDE US FEEDBACK. THOSE WORK AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ACTUAL SWORN TESTIMONY THIS MORNING.
YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT AS A STANDARD PROCEDURE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOTE ON LAMP. THANK YOU FOR THE COLLOQUY ABOUT WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOVERNMENT.
WE NEED MORE OF THAT. TRAVIS HUDSON'S FAMILY BENEFITS FROM SOME OF THESE. AND HE'S A STATE SENATOR.
SOME OF THESE ACQUISITIONS OF RIGHT OF WAY.
AND BEN RICH WARNED ABOUT THIS YEARS AGO.
WE NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL TO ROOT OUT WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE.
AND WE NEED TO STOP SILENCING PUBLIC COMMENT BY PUTTING IT AT THE END OF THESE MEETINGS. NOW I FIRST RECEIVED HATE MAIL WHEN I WAS 12 YEARS OLD. I -- I GOT LETTERS CALLING ME A COMMUNIST. IT WAS TYPED ON A TRADITIONAL TYPEWRITER WITH RED AND BLACK INK.
YOU'VE SEEN CRAZY LETTERS BEFORE.
THERE WAS A HATE LETTER PRINTED YESTERDAY IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD. AND IT WAS SIGNED BY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE REPUBLICAN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SUGGESTED WHAT TO DO WITH IT AS FAR AS LINING BIRD CAGES. BUT LET ME JUST REMIND YOU ALL THAT THEY'RE COMMENTING ON A FEDERAL COURT CASE WHERE THE ST.
JOHNS -- I KNOW YOU WON'T BE INFLUENCED BY HATE MAIL.
I NEVER HAVE ABOUT. AND YOU'RE GOING TO BOW UP AND THINK, WHO ARE THEY? BUT WILLIAM KORAK WAS ONE TIME CHAIR. YOU'LL KINDLY RECALL, ELIZABETH MASTERS THE FORMER JAG WROTE A LETTER INVOLVING A -- MS. MASTERS, A FRIEND OF MINE, SHE WROTE A REALLY GOOD LETTER TO THE RECORD AND SAID YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE.
SHE SAID TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ATTORNEYS FEES.
SHE WAS RIGHT. I TOLD Y'ALL TO TREAT THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT, AND THE RECORD HAD AN EDITORIAL URGENT THAT Y'ALL JUST VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR PRIDE MONTH. IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK? VICE CHAIRMAN HENRY DEAN TOLD RECORD IF HE WAS ALLOWED TO VOTE, HE WOULD VOTE FOR IT. WHY ARE WE DISCRIMINATING?
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PLEASE STOP. THANK YOU.IT'S ALMOST 4 O'CLOCK. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU MR. WALDRON FOR STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED TO MAKE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT 4 O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THE RAIN HAS COME. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I WILL KEEP ON SAYING, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE MOVED BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THESE MEETINGS.
RES-E-S-P-E-C-T SPELLS RESPECT. WHEN PEOPLE COME UP HERE AND SOME ARE ALLOWED TO GO ON AND ON AFTER THEIR THREE MINUTES AND YOU DO NOT STOP THEM, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S SOME DISCRIMINATION GOING ON IN THIS ROOM.
AND I THINK SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAY BE WATCHING THIS HAS THE SAME IDEA. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET DISCOURAGED WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW ME WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW I DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED.
I KEEP ON COMING BACK AND COMING BACK.
AND THAT'S CALLED PREZVEERNS. >> PERSEVERANCE.
>> THAT GOES ALONG WITH RES R-E-S-
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T, THAT GOES WITH PERSEVERANCE.I HOPE THAT GETS AN A PLUS. ALL THAT ASIDE, WE REALLY NEED TO TREAT EACH OTHER THE SAME. SO THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT, SEEING NONE.
I THINK THAT CLOSES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. MR. SMITH.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.
SOME POTATO FARMERS HAVE FINISHED DIGGING, MANY HAVE NOT.
THERE ARE STILL MANY UNDUG ACRES.
THE LONGER THESE TUBERS STAY IN THE GROUND, THE SUSCEPTIBLE THEY ARE TO DECAY. CORN PLANTINGS LOOK VERY GOOD.
LATE PLANTING TOOK THE LATER PLANTINGS LOOK DECENT.
SOME ARE ROUGH STANDS AND HURT BY HEAT.
SOD MOVEMENT IS STEADY. SOME NEW VARIETIES ARE VERY PROMISING FOR BEAUTIFUL COLOR. LOWER FERTILIZER REQUIREMENTS AND SLOWER GROWING. LATEST RAINFALL HAS BEEN RECEIVED. IT'S MUCH WELCOME AND APPRECIATED. AND WE'RE NOT WET IN THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY. JUST DOING REAL WELL AT THIS POINT. I KNOW WE WON'T HAVE A MEETING UNTIL LATE JULY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY FOR EVERYONE. THE HOLIDAY THAT'S FORTHCOMING MAY BE LOSING SOME OF ITS SIGNIFICANT MEETING.
THE BIRTH OF THE UNITED STATES -- CONTAINED AND MAINTAINED IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. PATRIOTS AROSE IN THE LATE 1700S TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, ESTABLISH LIBERTY BY SERVING A LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE BRITISH CROWN AND ITS TYRANNICAL MONARCH KING GEORGE III. THE SUPREME SACRIFICES -- WHAT WE KNOW TO ENJOY TODAY IS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
LIBERTIES AFFORDED IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION MUST NOT BE TAKEN LIGHTLY AND MUST BE DEFENDED BY FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC FOLK.
THE COST OF LIBERTY, LET US CELEBRATE THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. AND GOD THAT ALLOWED AND USHERED
SUCH INTO EXISTENCE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. COMMISSIONER DEAN.
>> I'M GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.
>> THE FIRST THING I WANT TO BRING UP IS KIND OF A GOOD THING. THE FIRST KING FISH OF THE YEAR.
I'M SURE THE BOAT RAMPS WERE PACKED.
THAT'S A HUGE THING WHEN THEY COME.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING UP IN JULY.
I THINK THE SECOND WEEKEND IN JULY.
ANCIENT CITY GAME FISH. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED, IT'S A
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LOT OF FUN. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO COME UP WITH WAS I'VE BEEN GETTING EMAILS, I IMAGINE EVERYONE HAS ABOUT THE ROCK. WE'D SAID WHEN THE BERM WAS DONE AT SUMMER HAVEN, WE'D LOOK AT A ROCK ROAD.WE'D COME BACK TO THAT AND LOOK AT PRICES.
I THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH FROM ESTIMATES BEFORE WE HAD ALL THE BIGGER ISSUES. THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY FOR IT IN IT. WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT.
>> I AGREE. >> IS THERE CONSENSUS WE'LL HAVE
MAYBE AT OUR JULY MEETING. >> UPDATE MEETING IN JULY.
>> JUST ANOTHER THING, I KNOW I TOUCHED AND DISCUSSED ON THE LAMP. I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN BEFORE OTHER MEETINGS IS A LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GETTING OUR INFORMATION TO MAKE OUR RIGHT DECISION.
IT'S DISHEARTENING TO ME THAT THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT'S UNIFORM. AND I KNOW THEY ARE I READ ALL OF IT. ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
AND WE CAN'T EVEN ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THEY HAVE ANY IMPACT CREDITS. WHETHER THEY HAVE CONCURRENCY.
I THINK WE'RE DOING IT ALL BACKWARDS.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW Y'ALL FEEL. WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE GET THERE. I KNOW IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO. BUT AS A BUSINESS, IT'S NO DIFFERENT WHEN YOU GOT TO PLANTING THE CROP AND HOPE YOU GOT TO HARVEST IT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE DONE. BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO DO IT FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS THAT ARE TAKING THIS BURDEN. I WOULD SUGGEST THIS WEEKEND, I KNOW YOU ALL LIVE IN DIFFERENT PARTS.
GO OUT AND START ON ST. MARCO AND TRY TO DRIVE ON CRESCENT BEACH AND 206. SATURDAY NIGHT I WAS OUT AT 206.
WE WERE BACKED UP. WHERE MR. CABBAGE DID THAT RV PARKING THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO. ALL THE WAY TO U.S. 1.
STOP AND GO. IT'S LIKE THAT AND IT WAS LIKE THAT ALL UP AND DOWN A1A. BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING.
I NEED TO COME TO THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTY.
I KNOW IT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH TRAFFIC.
COMMISSIONER DEAN ESPECIALLY HAVING BOTH CITIES.
BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE -- I THINK MAYBE WE'RE MISLED THAT THE IMPACT FEES WILL PAY FOR THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BUT THAT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE CASE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD ON CHANGING HOW WE DO
I THINK ABSOLUTELY. >> CONSENSUS.
>> OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT 4TH AND WE'LL SEE
YOU AFTER THAT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. MR. WHITEHURST.
>> THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS.
IF WOE'RE GOING TO USE MIKELERS LANDING, WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE TOWN HALL AND COME FORWARD WITH PERHAPS THE MOST ROBUST PLAN THAT WE COULD IMAGINE JUST TO MITIGATE THE ISSUES THAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. I THINK IF EVERYONE CAN AGREE WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMS PLAN IN PLACE WITH THE MIKELER LANDING, WITH US USING MIKELER LANDING AS A LAUNCH POINT FOR THE SAND. THAT WOULD BE SMART TO GET AHEAD OF IT. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOLIDAYS THIS WEEKEND. THE MOTHER'S GET ALL THE LOVE.
BUT PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT FATHER'S DAY.
WE DO HAVE FATHER'S DAY. MY FATHER HAS BEEN AND CONTINUES TO BE AN INSTRUMENTAL PART OF MY LIFE.
MOST PEOPLE THAT HAVE A GOOD FATHER WOULD POINT BACK TO THEIR FATHER IN CITING THE GOOD THINGS THEY'VE ACCOMPLISHED.
I'M CERTAINLY NO DIFFERENT. TO ALL THE FATHERS, GRANDFATHER'S, STEP-FATHER'S AND ALL THOSE WHO FULFILL THE FATHER ROLE. ANOTHER HOLIDAY IS JUNETEENTH.
IT'S A CELEBRATION THAT IS THE ENDING OF SLAVERY.
I THINK IT WAS AN ABSOLUT CRITICAL STEP IN THIS NATION'S HISTORY. SECONDING TO THE SIGNING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. I WILL BE TAKING TIME ON SATURDAY TO COMMEMORATE JUNETEENTH.
LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, I WANT TO COMMEND OUR CHAIRMAN
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COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF HEAT AND YOU'VE TAKEN IT WELL.PROCLAMATIONS SHOULD NOT BE POLITICAL IN NATURE.
I CANNOT STATE IT TO YOU PRIVATELY, I SUPPORT YOU AND STANDING FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT.
AND MAKING SURE PROCLAMATIONS CONTINUE TO BE COMMUNITY ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND NOT POLARIZING IN NATURE.
THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE.
I THINK WE'VE HAD VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK WE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND.
I THINK IT WAS GOOD DIALOGUE. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M REMINDED ABOUT IS WE ABSOLUTELY CARE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.
TWO OF YOU WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE.
THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK WE'VE ALL RAISED CHILDREN HERE OR RAISING CHILDREN HERE.
I APPRECIATE THE HEALTHY DEBATE AND I THINK WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND IDENTIFY SOLUTIONS GOING FORWARD.
I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
COUPLE OF THINGS. I WANT TO KEEP THIS SHORT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE QUITE A BIT.
I WANT TO BRING THIS TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
I HAD A MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF.
REBECCA WAS THERE. WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS IN PALM VALLEY THAT ARE ASKING TO EXPAND THE NO WAKE ZONE.
THIS IS BASED ON SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH RESIDENTS. WE HAD A MEETING WITH SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. AND THERE WAS KIND OF AN AGREEMENT TO MAKE THIS REQUEST. THIS IS NOT A BOARD DECISION.
IT ACTUALLY HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO TODAY IS ASK THE BOARD FOR CONSENSUS ON DIRECTING STAFF TO MOVE FORTH WITH APPLICATION.
THE NO WAKE ZONE EXTENDED. I DON'T QUITE -- I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE NAUTICAL MILEAGE. WHERE THE PROPERTIES BEGIN, BASICALLY EXPAND THE NO WAKE ZONE.
WHAT WAS REVEALING TO ME IS THAT UNLESS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO A VESSEL, IT'S NOT REPORTED AS AN ACCIDENT.
SO YOU CAN HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE INJURED, POTENTIALLY NEAR DROWNING SITUATIONS, BUT IT'S NOT REPORTED THAT WAY OR DOCUMENTED. THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONSENSUS FROM THE RESIDENTS. IT'S NOT OUR DECISION.
IT GOES TO FWC. THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S BOARD CONSENSUS.
REBECCA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION YOU CAN
SHARE. >> I THINK YOU ACTUALLY GAVE A PRETTY THOROUGH DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE LIKE.
THE REQUEST WOULD GO TO FWC FROM THE BOARD BECAUSE THIS IS THE INTRO CO -- THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT YOURSELF. AND SO BASICALLY THE PROCESS WOULD BE PUTTING A LETTER TOGETHER POTENTIALLY COMING BACK FOR A FORMAL RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD FOR THE REQUEST.
AND BUILDING UP ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION NEEDED TO PRESENT THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO FWC.
AT THAT POINT, THE DECISION IS IN THEIR HANDS.
>> RIGHT. AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, TIME IS ALWAYS HAVE THE ESSENCE. BUT AS WE, AS THE COUNTY HAD RECENTLY EXPERIENCED WITH THE MATANZAS INLET ZONE THAT THE EXACT FOOTPRINT COUNTS AND SORT OF GETTING THAT RIGHT, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE STAFF REVIEW AND BRING BACK A AGENDA ITEM FOR THE 20TH OR THE 3RD, AUGUST 3RD, WITH THIS, WITH THE FULL SET OUT. AND AGAIN, SORT OF THE BOARD CAN MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT. I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE IT MORE WEIGHT TO THE FWC. IF THAT TIME FRAME IS
ACCEPTABLE. >> I'M OPEN TO IT BEING A BOARD AGENDA ITEM. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S -- IS THAT HOW WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE WITH MATANZA.
>> I THINK WE DID. >> WITH MATANZA, IT WAS A COUNTY THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE INTERCOASTAL.
AND POINT OF FACT, IT CONTINUES TO BE ON GOING.
THEY DO HAVE THE FINAL APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR THAT ONE AS WELL.
BUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S THE INTRACOASTAL, THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT INITIATED BY ORDINANCE OF THE BOARD. BUT WE CAN SUBMIT THE REQUEST TO
FWC FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY.
LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I DON'T KNOW, CAN WE HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION EVEN NOW, THERE'S AN EXISTING NO WAKE ZONE THERE. HOW MUCH FURTHER LONG IS THIS EXPANSION? DOUBLE?
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GIVER -- GIVE ME AN IDEA. >> I BELIEVE THE REQUEST HAS BEEN FOR 500 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EXISTING ZONE.
>> WHAT IS IT NOW? >> I THINK I HAVE THE MAP ON ME.
>> MAYBE THIS COULD HELP SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS.
THERE'S AN EXISTING WAKE ZONE. SINCE THEN, THERE'S BEEN
ADDITIONAL -- >> AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS THE EXISTING NO WAKE ZONE. THIS IS THE PALM VALLEY BRIDGE HERE. THE CURRENT NO WAKE ZONE IS 500 FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE.
>> SO IT WOULD BE DOUBLE. THE REQUEST IS TO DOUBLE IT.
AND WE CAN FINE TUNE THAT WITH STAFF AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH
THE RESIDENTS. >> IS IT RECREATIONAL CRAFT OR COMMERCIAL CRAFT THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEM?
>> IT'S NOT COMMERCIAL CRAFT BECAUSE MOST OF US HAVE PILOTS THAT CAN NAVIGATE THESE CHANNELS.
WHAT YOU HAVE HERE -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A LOT OF HEAVY
COMMERCIAL IS. >> I'M GOING TO GO QUICKLY HERE.
SO I THINK AT SOME POINT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST.
THIS IS PREPANDEMIC. THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT DISCUSSES A STORM WATER MITIGATION.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS SOME TIME AGO.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE RECALLS THAT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS THAT COME UP ABOUT STORM WATER ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS TO LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE IF WE REINSTITUTED. I THINK IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING AS WE CONSTANTLY HEAR QUESTIONS ABOUT STORM WATER ISSUES.
ONCE I FOUND OUT THIS WAS ON OUR BOOKS THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY BEING IMPLEMENTED. I THINK I'D LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT. PATRICK, I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS IN THE PAST. I'M NOT SURE IF I PHRASED IT
CORRECTLY. >> I'M TRYING TO REFRESH MY MEMORY. THIS IS SORT OF THE CRITERIA OF SWALES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. JACKSONVILLE HAS A STORM WATER
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CURRENTLY
HAVE. >> WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK WHAT WE HAVE AND WE'LL GIVE A PRESENTATION AND SOME OPTIONS.
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>> IS THERE INTEREST OR CONSENSUS IN THAT.
>> THAT'S TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, COMMISSIONER.
YOU'RE DEALING WITH ONE WOULD BE AN ASSESSMENT ON TAX.
LEVIED TAX ON STORM WATER IF THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.
AND ANOTHER IS STORM WATER STANDARDS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I MY BE INCORRECT.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WE HAD AT ONE POINTMENT WE HAVE A STORM WATER ASSESSMENT THAT CAN BE USED TO MITIGATE SOME STORM WATER ISSUES AROUND THE COUNTY. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED.
IF MY RECOLLECTION IS CORRECT. SINCE THEN, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES. BUT IT COMES UP FREQUENTLY IN PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT STORM WATER ISSUES.
I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR US TO LOOK AT.
WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS.
WHAT'S BEING FUNDED. WHAT'S NOT FUNDED.
MY RECOLLECTION IS THIS COME UP IN DISCUSSION AT ONE POINT.
PATRICK, I THINK YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
>> IT'S RAINED ENOUGH WHERE IT WASHED AWAY MY MEMORY.
BUT WE'LL BRING BACK WHAT THE BARD HAS ALREADY AND SOME OPTIONS. GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC
WORKS. >> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A STORM WATER UTILITY TAX WHICH HAS BEEN ABLED BY LEGISLATURE.
DIFFERENT CITIES AND COUNTIES HAVE ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE WE'VE NEVER IMPLEMENTED.
WITHIN THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT. >> SO I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT IF THE BOARD AGREES, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT.
MY UNDERSTANDING AT THE TIME IS WE'VE HAD IT IN THE BOOKS BUT WE'VE NEVER IMPLEMENTED. I'M GOING BACK ABOUT TWO YEARS HERE IN MY RECOLLECTION. WE'RE HEARING DISCUSSIONS, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME UP AND ADDRESS DIFFERENT STORM ISSUES.
I WANT TO AVOID DIPPING IN TO OUR GENERAL REVENUE FUND.
IF THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS IT OR AT LEAST EXPLORE THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE TAKE ACTION
>> WHY DON'T WE DO IT JUST AS A WHITE PAPER THAT WAY YOU CAN REVIEW IT. IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT IN A
PRESENTATION. >> I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
PATRICK, ARE YOU TRACKING SOME DISCUSSION?
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE COUNTY CODE TO SEE WHAT'S ON THERE.
BUT YEAH. SHAPES AND SIZE AND DITCHES AND
SWAELS AND STUFF. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING
THERE'S ACTUALLY A 1994 ORDINANCE, WE'LL GO BACK.
I THINK WHAT THE OVERALL SENSE WE'RE GETTING MR. CHAIR IS STORM WATER ALMOST EVERY BOARD MEETING YOU HEAR SOME ASPECT OF STORM WATER RUN OFF AND NEIGHBORHOOD MAYBE COMPLAINTS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SORT OF WHAT THE WHOLE PICTURE IS. AND WHAT ASPECTS THE BOARD HAS AND POTENTIAL ASPECTS OR OPTIONS THE BOARD COULD IMPLEMENT.
>> SURE. >> DOES THAT CAPTURE?
>> YES. THAT'S OPEN MINDED TO WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. COMMISSIONER SMITH.
>> I'LL JUST SAY THIS, TOO, JUST TO THROW IT INTO THE POT.
SEMIARID STANDARDS ARE PORTED TO EPA. LET ME PUSHES INTO A POSITION WHERE THERE MAY BE HIGHEST COST ASSOCIATED WITH WATER QUALITY AND RUNOFF AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ON IT AND COME U THOSE OPTIONS AND ALLOW US TO REVIEW IT AND IF NEEDED WE CAN BRING THAT BEFORE THE BOARD LATER. THERE MAY BE A NEED FOR IT.
>> OBSOLETE. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
>> WE WILL WHITE PAPER AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS ARE. WE MAY OR MAY NOT FEEL THE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BUT WE COULD CONSIDER THAT. SO COMMUNICATION PLAN.
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I TALKED TO OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THIS. HE'S GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL UPDATES ON THAT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO OVERCOMMIT KATE WITH THE PUBLIC ESPECIALLY WHEN WERE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. GIVING ENOUGH NOTICE. NOT TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL NOTICE FOR EXAMPLE. ÃTHIS WOULD BE SHUT DOWN FOR 4 TO 6 MONTHS BUT WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW IN PRIOR CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THEY WERE FINDING OUT AS RESIDENTS WERE FINDING OUT. NOT A GREAT SCENARIO. JUST REAL QUICK IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THE LINCOLNVILLE MUSEUM IS AN INCREDIBLE LITTLE LOCATION I LOOK FORWARD TO TAKIN MY KIDS THERE. THERE IS A CREDIBLE HISTORY AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY IN LINCOLNVILLE. THIS GREAT HISTORY TO HOW THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPED AND PROSPERED AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES ABOUT JUNETEENTH, WE HAVE GREAT RICH LOCAL HISTORY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTICE THAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING MY KIDS AND THEY'RE FAIRLY YOUNG BUT HELPING EDUCATE THEM ON SOME OF THE GREAT DIVERSE CULTURE WE HAVE HERE. AGAIN FATHER'S DAY IS AN IMPORTANT DAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
ALL OF US ON THE BOARD ARE FATHERS OF HAPPINING STAFF. THIS IS THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR OF MY FATHER PASSING AWAY SO I DON'T HAVE HIS INSIGHT BUT HE RAISED 5 SONS AND I APPRECIATE THIS HARD WORK. I KNOW IT WAS CHALLENGING.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE UNITED STATES ARMY WHICH WAS YESTERDAY.
I APPRECIATE THE ARMY IS THE ONE BRANCH OF SERVICE THAT ACTUALLY FIGHT SOME OF THE WARS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. NO OFFENSIVE TO OTHER GREAT MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE. AGAIN TO ECHO MR. COMMISSIONER SENT.
JULY 4TH IS HIGHLIGHTS AS A SACRED HOLIDAY HIGHLIGHTS WHY WERE HERE TODAY AND WHY WE HAVE A FLAG THAT'S BEHIND US AND OUR ABILITY TO COME HERE AS A FREE SOCIETY AND A CONSTITUTION REPUBLICAN DO THIS. HOPE EVERYONE OF YOUR FAMILY SAYS A GREAT 4TH OF JULY AND WE
WILL GO FROM THERE. >> MR. CHAIR COMMISSION OF ONE THING FOR YOU THIS AFTERNOON.
AS YOU KNOW IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HIRE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND TO BRING THEM TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION AT CONFIRMATION IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
THIS AFTERNOON I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO MS. LORENA AND CLINT.SHE RECENTLY SERVED FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS OF HER PROFESSIONAL CAREER IN THE NEWS INDUSTRY AS AN ANCHOR REPORTER AND INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST. SHE HAS A DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI AND WILL BE ATTENDING CHOLLA WORKING ON HER MASTERS IN PUBLIC POLICY IN THE FALL.
SHE IS HERE FOR YOU TODAY FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND SHE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS
YOU MAY HAVE. >> WELL COMPARED. >> THANK YOU, GOOD AFTERNOON
EVERYONE. HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> SHE SAT TO THE WHOLE MEETING
SO SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S GETTING INTO.> SURE. >>.
[LAUGHTER], YES. NOT MY FIRST COMMISSION MEETING BY THE WAY BUT INTERESTING TO
BE ON TE OTHER SIDE NOW. >> WE SHARE IN ALMA MATER THERE, UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI.
>> YES, GO CANES. >> MR. CHAIR IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION THERE SHOULD BE THE
MOTION TO APPROVE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> SURE.
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. IS THERE A SECOND?
>> OKAY MOTION POINT COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
WE WILL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THESE HIRING DECISION ARE MADE WITH THE OCC. THE DECISION OF CARVER SWEET BY THE BCC.
ONCE AGAIN WERE MAKING ONE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. WITHOUT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC YOU HIRED A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR WITHOUT NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC. HE ALSO ILLEGALLY HIRED A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITHOUT ALLOWING ANYONE ELSE TO APPLY. THIS IS A MOCKERY OF DEMOCRACY. MR. BLOCKER DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT 4TH OF JULY. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT.
YOU TREAT PUBLIC COMMENT WITH DISRESPECT. I SIMPLY PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA OF THE NEXT MEETING AND CEASE AND DESIST FROM VIOLATING THE FLORIDA SUNSHINE LAW.
ON JUNE 22 YOU'VE GOT A DATE COME ADULTS WORK. YOU'VE GOT A DATE IN FEDERAL COURT. YOU'VE GOT A STATE IN FEDERAL COURT.
>> THE SPEAKER WILL MAINTAIN ALL RULES IN THE QUORUM. YOU WILL MAINTAIN OUR RULES
OTHER QUORUM. >> YOU WILL RESPECT MY CONSTITUTION.
>> THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES PROVIDE THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DESIGNTED REPRESENTATIVES SHALL ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE.
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. QUICK SUBORDINATE STOP
VIOLATING THE LAW. SUCH A STATE. >> ABOUT YOUR FIRST WARNING.
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>> SUNSHINE THAT YOU GIVE NOTICE. THIS SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
DON'T MAKE ANY MORE DIRECTOR OR HARRY DECISIONS WITHOUT NOTICE. THIS IS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND DEMOCRACY. SOME OF YOU DO.
I DON'T THINK THE CHAIRMAN DOES. I REQUEST THIS EITHER BE TABLED WITH PROPER PUBLIC NOTICE. ON THAT YOU STOP MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE SUNSHINE LAW IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE NINTH AMENDMENT THE 14TH AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU. >> I KNOW THIS IS COME. THE BOARD MAKING A LEGAL HIRES.
LIKE TO ADDRESS TITLE COUNSEL? >> SURE. CHAPTER 125 DOES PROVIDE THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS I THINK IT SAYS YOUR DIRECTORS ARE SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF THE BOARD.
THAT HAS BEEN DONE. IT HAS BEEN ROUTINELY BENT ON THINK DURING REPORTS AS OPPOSED TO AN ACTUAL AGENDA ITEM. I THINK THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN DONE.
I THINK THAT THERE IS ALWAYS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
THERE HAS BEEN COMMIT PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN
HANDLED. THERE YOU GO. >> THANK
SO WE HAVE A ION OH I'M SORRY WE ARE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YOU JAKE ALEADY APPEARED WITH CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. TRIED TO LISTEN BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T SPEAK LOUD ENOUGH FOR ME TO HEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS LADY'S POSITIONS GOING TO BE? WHAT DEPARTMENT SHE COULD BE IN? I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, MAYBE I JUST DIDN'T HEAR IT OR IT WASN'T SAID. THERE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT
HER DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE. THANK YOU. >> THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR OF
COMMUNICATIONS. IF I MISS SPEAKS. >> DOCTOR PUBLIC AFFAIRS,
COMMISSIONER DEAN. THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT IS DONE WITH
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION OR BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, PLEASE PHONE 2. I WANT THINK ACCOUNTING MANAGER FOR BRINGING OUTSTANDING EMPLOYEES. WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE HER ON BOARDS. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE GREAT HIRES WE MAKE.
>>. [INDISCERNABLE]. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING
FURTHER? >> OKAY, GREAT. MR. MCCORMICK?
>> MR. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS HOUSE BILL 337 I KNOW YOU'RE ALL PROBABLY A LITTLE TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT THAT. IT DID PASS. AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME RAMIFICATIONS. WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN THINKING THROUGH SOME OF THOSE.
WE WILL BE COORDINATING WITH ADMINISTRATION AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND OMB.
AS TO HOW THAT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. I ALSO DID A REACH OUT TO IMPACT THE CREDIT HOLDERS. I HAVE HEARD BACK FROM SOME OF THEM.
ACTUALLY BOTH CORDIAL RESPONSES WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT.HIS MAY ACTUALLY COME EVENTUALLY GO TO EVEN POTENTIALLY A WORKSHOP ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT. I MAY POTENTIALLY GO TO SOME ORDINANCE CHANGE, LANGUAGE, JUST TO HAVE THAT REFLECT THE 337 AND HOW THE COUNTY AGAIN IS GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT.
I WANT TO REMARK ON THAT. SECONDLY, COMMISSIONER SMITH HAD ASKED FOR SOME LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO LIMITATIONS OF EXPENDITURES, YOU KNOW BROUGHT UP DURING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS THAT WERE NOT THEMSELVES AGENDA ITEMS. I CAME UP WITH SOME VERY GENERAL LANGUAGE I JUST WANT TO REVIEW FOR THE BOARD AND GET LITTLE INPUT BACK. COMMISSIONER SMITH I APOLOGIZE I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO YOU SPECIFICALLY ON THIS BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD. SO, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS LANGUAGE. TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS BUT I CAN REFINE IT BEFORE I WOULD PREPARE A RESOLUTION WITH THIS AND SOME OTHER LANGUAGE.
MS. SOTHEBY IS GOING TO COME UP WITH ONE A COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S REQUEST ABOUT
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EMPLOYEES AND OTHER POTENTIALLY ELECTED BOARDS. THIS FIRST.I'LL JUST READ THIS. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ISSUES RELATED TO A DECLARED EMERGENCY. THE INITIATIVE INTRODUCED DURING A BOARD MEETING THAT REQUIRES FUNDING AND AN AMOUNT THAT EXCEEDS AND THE BOARD CAN PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON THIS.
THIS COULD BE 5K, IT COULD BE 15 K, IT COULD BE 20 5K. SEE WHERE THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH OBVIOUSLY ADMINISTRATION'S INPUT. SHALL BE PLACED ON A FUTURE BOARD AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION AND ACTION. NOW, IF THIS HAS 2 SORT OF RELIEF VALVES. ONE RELIEF VALVE IS THE DECLARED EMERGENCY WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL NOT HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS THE ROLE OF THE BOARD. THE BOARD MAY BITE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE 4/5 WAIVER RULE.
IF THERE WAS SOME VERY PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WAS OUTSIDE A DECLARED EMERGENCY. THIS IS SOME LANGUAGE AND COMMISSIONER SMITH YOU HAVE SORTA BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AT ALL IN LINE WITH WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR SOME FEEDBACK FROM YOU AND THE REST OF THE
BOARD. THANK YOU. >> THAT WOULD HELP.
WHATEVER NUMBER WE DO DECIDE WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. DON'T LET IT BECOME A NORMAL THING. 5000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
IT DOES HAVE OUTS IN AN EMERGENCY AND SUPER MAJORITY CAN WAIVE THE BOARD RULE.
>> SO COMMISSIONER FISH THEY GAVE 5000? >> YES 5000.> COMMISSIONER
DEAN? >> I AUDUBON A LOTTERY TICKET THAT'S EXACTLY THE NUMBER OF THINKING OF. 5000. I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T REMEMBER SINCE I BEEN ON THE COMMISSION. HAS HIS COMMISSION DELEGATED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE ABILITY AND THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE PURCHASES UP TO A CERTAIN
CEILING? >> THE PURCHASING CODE DOES HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
AND CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES TO MAKE PURCHASES UP TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
THAT IS CORRECT. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS?
>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. IT IS HIGHER THAN THIS NUMBER. I WILL SAY THAT.
AGAIN, THESE ARE FOR ITEMS THAT COME UP THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY PURCHASES.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE PURCHASES, SOMETIMES THEY ARE GRANTS, SOMETIMES THERE ARE OTHER.
>> THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION AND WHERE I'M GOING AS I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT FROM WHERE I SIT. I TEND TO WANT TO HAVE THE NUMBER ABOUT THE SAME.
WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DELEGATED AUTHORITY TO PURCHASE UP TO A CERTAIN NUMBER. THESE ARE GOODS, SERVICES OR WHATEVER APPEARED TO BE WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT AMOUNT INSERTED HERE. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST 5000 MYSELF. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO KNOW THE DELEGATED NUMBER JUST FOR INFORMATION WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK.
>> IF I BE THROUGH THE CHAIR I THINK THAT NUMBER IS HIGHER. WHAT I WILL DO IS I'LL BRING IT BACK. IF THE BOARD IS FAIRLY HAPPY WITH THIS LANGUAGE AND OF COURSE THAT CAN BE ALSO YOU KNOW POLISHED WHEN I BRING IT BACK.
WE WILL BRING IT BACK AS PART OF THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES CHANGE AND AT THAT POINT THE
BOARD CAN DETERMINE THE FINAL FIGURE FOR HERE. >> OKAY THAT'S THE REPORT ON THAT. MS. ÃCAN YOU BRING UP LANGUAGE PERTAINING TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON CONCERN OR THOUGHT ABOUT SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND THEIR
CIVIC RIGHTS? >> YES. THIS WAS COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S REQUEST WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE ABILITY OF COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO RUN FOR NONPARTISAN ELECTIONS.
THIS WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AS A BOARD RESOLUTION. AT THE JULY 20 MEETING.
AS A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY ABOUT WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL ALLOW A COUNTY EMPLOYEE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EMPLOYEES THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED OFFICERS UNDER STATE STATUTE TO RUN FOR NONPARTISAN OFFICES. IT IS NONPARTISAN IN ORDER TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HATCH ACT WHICH PROHIBIT EMPLOYEES WHOSE POSITIONS ARE FUNDED EITHER ALL IN PART WITH FEDERAL FUNDS FOR AND AS WELL IT IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE RESTRICTIONS AND STATE LAW ON DUAL OFFICE HOLDING. THEREFORE IT WOULD BE ANY EMPLOYEE WHO IS NOT CONSIDERED AN OFFICER WHICH WOULD BE MUCH EMPLOYEES BELOW THE LEVEL OF
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COUNTY ADMINISTRATION OR DEPARTMENT HEADS. >> RIGHT.
THEY KEEP MS. ¦ IF I CAN THROUGH THE CHAIR, WE ALSO WOULD EXPECT TO INCLUDE SOME LANGUAGE TO AVOID A CONFLICT IN THE TUB THING. WERE TRYING TO THINK THROUGH PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES. I WOULD SAY JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF PROBABLY NOT A CONFLICT THOUGH, IS IF A COUNTY EMPLOYEE, THE COUNTY HAS MANY TALENTED EMPLOYEES WISH TO RUN FOR AN OFFICE IN FLAGLER COUNTY OR PUTNAM COUNTY, NONPARTISAN OFFICE.
I WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FORESEE A CONFLICT WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT I THINK SOME OF THE POTENTIAL OFFICES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND HAVE SOME THOUGHT ABOUT COULD THERE BE SOME CONFLICTS FROM THERE AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME GENERAL LANGUAGE ABOUT THAT. THAT IS THE CONCEPT AND SO WE WILL BRING SOMETHING BACK AS IS
LIBBY HAD INDICATED. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. WHAT IF YOU HAD A SCENARIO WHERE MISS LIBBY WANTED TO RUN FOR CIRCUIT JUDGE POSITION. WOULD SHE BE ABLE TO DO THAT? I'M NOT SAYING YOU WANT TO DO THAT. SAYING WHAT IF WE RAN TO THAT SCENARIO? HOW WOULD THIS LINK WHICH IMPACT ON QUICKBOOKS JUDICIAL RACES ARE NONPARTISAN IN NATURE. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING TO PER SOUTHEAST PREVENT IT. IN THAT SCENARIO AND ATTORNEY WHO RUNS FOR JUDGE AND WHO IS ELECTED WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE PRACTICING AS AN ATTORNEY.
ONCE ELECTED JUDGE. AS A GENERAL RULE THE RULES REGARDING NOT CAMPAIGNING WHILE CONDUCTING COUNTY DUTIES WOULD CERTAINLY APPLY AND AS LONG AS IT'S A NONPARTISAN RACE AND DOES IT INTERFERED WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF COUNTY DUTIES. I DON'T SEE THAT THIS WOULD
PREVENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> WITHOUT PRECLUDE SOMEONE FOR POTENTIALLY, SAY AN ATTORNEY
RUNNING FOR CIRCUIT COURT OF A POSITION? >> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD.
>> I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT CENTERS WE COULD RUN INTO. >> AND FAIRNESS WE WILL HAVE TO THINK THROUGH SOME OF THE PARTICULAR EXAMPLES AND PARTICULAR CONFLICT TYPE THINGS. WHICH MIGHT BE OUT THERE. BUT, I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND SOME SAFE ZONES WHERE IT REALLY WOULD NOT BE CERTAINLY NOT BE A CONFLICT AND AGAIN THE PROHIBITION PROBABLY IS NOT SERVING A GREAT PUBLIC PURPOSE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU HAVE SOME VERY TALENTED COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND SOME REAL NEEDS FOR PUBLIC SERVICE OUT THERE.
BUT, I WANT TO INTRODUCE THAT TOPIC AGAIN. WE WILL BRING BACK SOME LANGUAGE AND WE WILL HAVE TO THINK THROUGH SOME OF THE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK MR. ÃYOU BRING UP A GOOD ONE. THERE COULD BE A QUESTION ABOUT. UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
>> THANK YOU. >> THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. AS I HAD REPORTED THE COUNTY IS WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THAT. THE SCHOOL BOARD IS, THE CYCLE TAKING THE LEAD AS A COUNTY HAD TAKEN THE LEAD IN THE LAST CYCLE.
THEY GENERATED AN RFP. THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THAT OUT.
THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A PANEL THAT REVIEWS THAT. OUR OFFICE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND PURCHASING TO COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN TERMS OF THE COUNTY REPRESENTATION ON THAT PANEL. THAT'S JUST AN UPDATE ON
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