Jun 03, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETIN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG.

MR. VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU LOOK G THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE SPEAKERS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSE. SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTI.

IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT L ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EV. THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILA.

BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THA. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCU.

CIVILITY CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE A.

WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 5/20/21.]

>> MR. MATOVINA: THANK YOU WHEN. I'M GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL.

I ASSUME ME WE NEED TO DO ONE. DR. MCCORMICK.

MR. HILSENBECK. >> HERE.

>> MR. MATOVINA IS HERE. MS. PERKINS.

>> HERE. >> MR. PETER.

>> HERE AND MR. MILLER. >> HE EVER.

>> WE'RE ALL HERE. YOU ALL HAVE THE MEETING MINUTE.

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WE CAN DO THIS BY VOICE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SO WE'VE GOT A FIRST BY MR. . IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVO. THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY.

ITEM NUMBER 8 ON THE AGENDA, IS? OKAY.

WELL, THE WORD GOT OUT PRETTY W. ITEM NUMBER 8 IS GOING TO BE DE.

DO WE NEED TO DO A MOTION? DOES THE BOARD NEED TO DO A MOT?

>> I THINK IT'S AT THE CHAIR'S . AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE A T.

>> THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANN. MOVING ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT, TH.

WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT PER. IS THERE ANYONE WOULD WHO WOULD?

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I'M WITH CREEK SIDE CHRISTIAN C. MY ADDRESS IS 596 STERN WHEEL, .

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO MAKE A REQU. THEY'RE BOTH RELATED TO CREATIN.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST REQUEST THA. >> AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR BOTH.

>> STATE THAT ONE TOO? >> YES, GO AHEAD.

>> OKAY. THE SECOND ONE IS A REQUEST FOR.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S START WITH EX PARTE CO.

ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? THAT'S EASY FOR ME TO SAY.

I DID HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATI. WITH THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYT?

SEEING NONE ON THE QUEUE, THEN . >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A M.

AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PR. >> MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO, SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NOBODY ON THE QUEUE, LET.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO IT OVER AG? ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER THERE, MR. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM NUM?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE SUPMAJ 202. AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS P.

>> SECOND ABOUT MOTION BY MR. A. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

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CONGRATULATIONS, MR. PAUL. YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY.

STAY OUT OF THE RAIN. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND THANKS FOR WHAT YOU'RE D. >> THANK YOU.

>> MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3, . DO WE HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNI?

>> I DID DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY . >> ANYBODY ELSE?

THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, SHANNON ACEV.

THIS IS THE TERRA HILL BARN SPE. MY CLIENT SALLY O'HARA IS THE P.

SHE'S ALSO HERE PRESENT TO SPEA. SO JUST TO GIVE A GENERAL IDEA .

AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY BOU. AND ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT, YO.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF SINGLE-FAMI. IT IS ZONED OPEN RURAL.

AND THE REQUEST TODAY IS FOR A . THIS IS FOR AN ACTIVITY CENTER,.

IT'S TO BE USED AS AN EDUCATION. THIS REQUEST WAS MOTIVATED BY T.

ALONG WITH THAT THERE COULD BE . AND ALSO BECAUSE THE PROPERTY I.

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THEY USED TO DO TROPICAL FISH F. THERE ARE SOME FISH BATS THAT A.

THAT HAS SINCE GONE BY THE WAYS. IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL USE REQ.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAD TO WOR. HOWEVER, I'LL MAKE MY CASE BASE.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE LOO. THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED TO.

NO HIRED EMPLOYEES. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A COMME.

THERE'S NO DAILY USE. THEY'RE EXPECTING ABOUT ONE SMA.

SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A G. THIS IS THE EXTENT OF THE REQUE.

WE HAVE A PRETTY BIG BUFFER, AS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS VERY WELL TR.

UPON SET A ROAD, AS I UNDERSTAN. IT'S A NICE 60-FOOT BUFFER IN A.

WE REALLY WANTED TO WORK THROUG. I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF THA.

SO HERE'S THE TWO RESIDENCES JU. AND ALL OF THIS AREA AROUND IS .

THERE IS A SMALL STORAGE PREP A. THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT ON THE.

IT'S A TOTAL OF 988 SQUARE FEET. AND JUST TO KIND OF PUT IT IN P.

AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY. WE DO HAVE TO PAVE A COUPLE SPO.

THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE'RE LOOKI.

SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN . AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE .

SO GETTING IN MORE TO COMPATIBI. WE DO HAVE SOME DRAINAGE AREAS .

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THE HOMES ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF. AND IT'S REALLY MINIMAL FLOOR A.

THE EXISTING BARN IS ABOUT 4600. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS IN THE DE.

AND THIS SPECIAL USE DOES COME . THAT'S THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WH.

SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S VERY CENTRA. THERE'S YOUR DEVELOPMENT AREA F.

AND THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF GIV. SO THIS IS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE BARN HERE. THESE FISH VATS ARE NO LONGER T.

THAT'S WHERE THE LITTLE STORAGE. AND THIS JUST BRINGS IT IN A LI.

THIS LOOKS A BIT FRAGMENTED, AN. THE IDEA IS TO PRESERVE AS MUCH.

SO WHERE YOU SEE GAPS IN HERE, . WE DO HAVE A MULCH TRAIL HERE F.

AND AGAIN YOU SEE ALL THE GREEN. THAT IS EVERYTHING THAT IS TO B.

I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT THE . THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SOUND. TODAY THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LOT .

I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME QUE. ON AVERAGE WE'RE EXPECTING A TY.

THAT'S THE EXPECTATION. AS I MENTIONED, 100 WOULD BE TH.

WE THINK THAT IT MEETS THE CRIT. AND WE BELIEVE IT WOULD PROVIDE.

WE'VE GOT SOME GENEROUS BUFFERI. I DO HAVE -- MY CLIENT HERE I.

>> SURE. >> HELLO.

I THINK I KNOW SOME OF YOU. SEAL O'HARA.

AND I HAVE RESIDED ON THE PROPE. OVER 44 YEARS.

PUSHING 44. AND UNTIL THIS PAST MONTH I HAD.

I'VE TALKED TO ABOUT 20 SO FAR,. MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY AND THE G 144-FOOT BARN HAS STOOD VACANT A LOT OF STUFF WHEN IT NIENL WAS O CLEAR OUT LAST YEAR, AND WITH TF MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND MY GRANDSOS IN THE AUDIENCE WE MUTUALLY AGRT WE WANTED TO RETAIN THE PROPERTE ABLE TO PAY THE PROPERTY TAXES E SOME CONTINUED FUNCTIONAL USE RR THAN TEAR DOWN THE BIGDZ, WE JUT AN EMPTY BUILDING TO MAKE IT FUL

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I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERAT. AS FAR AS THE ENVIRONMENT IS CO, WE WERE IN THE TROIPG TROPICAL H BUSINESS AND I HAVE GOT MORE VOR HOURS IN THE LAST DECADE FOR THE COMMUNITY PRESERVING AND PROTECE ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE DEER AND ALL KINDS OF BL THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE H PEOPLE ON A LIMITED BASIS.

AS FAR AS NOISE, NOISE CARRIES H THE WOODS, AND A COUPLE OF THE S THAT I TALKED TO SAID THERE WASY TWO WEEKS AGO WITH A DJ THAT WAE UNTIL 9:30 EVENING. WELL, IT WASN'T ME P.

I'M SORRY. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS BUT IT T ON MY PROPERTY. TRAFFIC? YEP, OAKBROOK BROUGHT TRAFFIC AE GOT A LIMITED INGRESS-EGRESS THA PROBLEM THAT THE COUNTY DOES NEO ADDRESS.

BUT AS FAR AS MY PROJECT IS CONI HOPE YOU GIVE IT DUE DILIGENCE D CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. BACK IN THE AGENCY, I SEE NOBODE SPEAKER LIST. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

DR. HYMNALS. >> I JUST REALLY HAVE ONE --

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I JUST REALLY HAVE ONE QUEST.

INITIALLY I SAW SOME THAT LETTES NEIGHBORS WERE OPPOSED TO THIS,N AFTER THE PROPERTY OWNER MET WI, THEY HAD CHANGED THEIR MIND CONSIDERABLY, AND THIS MAY BE, E NOBODY'S ON THE SPEAKER LIST, II WON'T FIND THIS OUT, BUT THERE O REAL OBJECTIONS NOW FROM NEIGHB?

>> WE HAVE RECEIVED SOME LETTERA STAFF OF SOME OBJECTION WITH QUS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER ONET COMES TO MIND THAT WAS SORT OF N THREAD IS NOISE. I THINK IT SERVES WELL TO GO THE SITE PLAN AND SEE WHAT'S ACTUALY PROPOSED BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE F THE CONFUSION WAS YOU SEE A PROT COMES UP IN A SOMEWHAT RURAL ARN 14 ACRES, AND THE FIRST INCLINAS TO THINK, OH, NO, THAT'S A BIG PROPERTY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG HUGE T CENTER AND CLEAR-CUTTING, AND IK THAT IS WAS PART OF THE INITIALE ENERGY THAT WAS KIND OF FLOATIND IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA.

HOWEVER, MS. O'HARA HAS DONE A B AT BRINGING PEOPLE ONTO THE SIT, SHOWING THEM EXACTLY WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT LIMITATIONS ARE, THE LIMITATIONS OF OCCUPANTS, AND TE NOT CLEAR-CUTTING.

WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AS MUCH OFE RURAL AREA AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE S PART OF THE CHARM FOR SOMETHINGE THIS.

SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS ANY C COMMENTS.

I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY SO MANYN THE AUDIENCE TODAY TO SPEAK, ANF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE I CAN CLAI WILL.

>> THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, DO WE HAVE IN YOU R

CARDS? >> WE WILL WE HAVE SEVERAL.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD PLEASE STR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. IF YOU HAVE ANY VISUAL MATERIALE GIVE THOSE TO STAFF. IF FIRST SPEAKER IS THOMAS HOBB.

>> HOW ARE YA'LL DOING? I'M THOMAS HOBBS I LIVE AT 2134Y CREEK LANE. IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF BLOCKM THEM. THEY SHOWED A GREAT PRESENTATIOT THEY'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS IN TE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

KINGS ROAD THAT'S RUNNING IN TH, KINGS ESTATE HAS NO SIDEWALKS.

YOU HAVE OAKBROOK WITH -- DOES Y KNOW HOW MANY HOUSES ARE IN OAK? HOW MANY HOUSES NR KINGS ESTATE? IT'S CALLED KINGS ESTATE WHERE Y LIVES THERE WHERE SHE'S WANTINGT THIS.

NOBODY KNOWS. THERE'S NO TRAFFIC PLAN.

SO HOW CAN WE APPROVE SOMETHINGU DON'T KNOW? THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE T. THIS IS TRYING TO BE PUT RIGHT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S NOT RURAL.

THEY SHOWED A GREAT PLACE BUT IT SHOW DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREETS HOMES, AND I REALLY DON'T THINKA GOOD FIT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER IS GEORGE CAMPOS. >> HI.

MY NAME IS GEORGE CAMPOS. I LIVE AT 2975 KINGS ROAD.

ACCORDING TO THAT MAP RIGHT THEM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.

I OWN APPROXIMATELY 13 ACRES TH. AND WE'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS FOR 30-SOMETHING YEARS. WHEN I SPOKE TO MS. HARRIS, WE D

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AND I SAID, THAT'S GREAT. AND I'VE HEARD ALL KIND OF RUMOT A LOT OF THIS ZONING CHANGE, AND POINTS, BAD POINTS, BUT I THINKE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW E LAST THREE MONTHS THE COUNTY'S APPROACHED ME, AND I JUST RECENE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WIDEN THE .

AS IT IS NOW, I CANNOT GET OUT Y DRIVEWAY IN THE MORNING AT 8:00.

AND IN THE EVENING WHEN I COME Y WIFE, MY ROAD IS RIGHT -- I'VE N EGRESS-INGRESS, AND AS I COME OE THE CREEK TO THE RIGHT OF ME, AU LOOK LEFT, YOU LOOK RIGHT. BY THE TIME YOU LOOK LEFT AGAINY TO GET OUT, YOU'VE GOT A CAR ONF YOU.

IN THE PAST I HAVE NEIGHBORS THE HAD TO REPLACE THEIR FENCES.

I HAD TO -- WE HAD ONE ACCIDENTT WAS SO BAD, THE ENGINE CAME OUTE CAR AND WOUND NEXT TO MY MAILBO. AND THEN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS E COUNTY IS GOING TO COME IN AND Y MAILBOX OFF AND EVERYTHING FOR - I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE GO BE WORKING BUT THEY HAVE TO REPE THREE -- THEY'RE GOING TO PUT TG CULVERTS WHERE THE ONE IS NOW FR DRAINAGE, AND THEY'RE PROMISINGT THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE EVERYTD NOT TO WORRY. THEY HAD TO MOVE TELEPHONE POLE.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE A REA. FROM WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE AT I'M HEARING, UNFORTUNATELY, I RY DIDN'T PAY THAT MUCH ATTENTION I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE NO BIG THIN. BUT I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT MAINY NOISE. RENOVATING A BUILDING IS FINE IE USING THE RIGHT MATERIALS TO KEE SOUND BARRIER DOWN, AND IF THERG TO BE A WEDDING PARTY, YOU DO NA WEDDING PARTY WITHOUT MUSIC, ANE

THAT THEY JUST PUT UP -- >> YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP, SIR.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO THINK ABOUT E WITH TRAFFIC, AND THE FUTURE WIE SLIGHT CHANGES, GOD FORBID THEYE PROPERTY AND SOMEONE ELSE TAKESD THEY START INFRINGING ON THE PRIVILEGES.

THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. I'M COUNTING ON THE COUNTY TO FT

OUT. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS JOE STEVENSO.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JOE STEVENSON.

I LIVE AT 3161 MACK ROAD ALMOSTY A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THIS L.

UNLIKE SOME OF MS. O'HARA'S NEIS I'VE KNOWN HER FOR MANY YEARS.

I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HER ANH REGARD.

HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE TO ME BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH SUCH THINGS. EVENT VENUE PROJECTS ARE HARD TO MANAGE. THE CUSTOMERS GET OUT OF HAND RY EASY. WHEN MY DAUGHTER GOT MARRIED ATA HISTORIC BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN, THS HAD TO COME BECAUSE THE BAND.

OKAY? AND I KNEW ALL THE RULES.

HOWEVER, THIS IS A LOW-LEVEL OF INTENSITY AND IMPACT.

I TRUST THE FAMILY, AND I ADMIRE TREE PRESERVATION.

HOWEVER, IT IS UNDENIABLY A COML USE OF LAND.

PEOPLE COME THERE AND PAY MONEYE THE VENUE.

IT IS COMMERCIAL. IT IS POTENTIALLY A FOOT IN THEO COMMERCIAL USE OF OUR NEIGHBORH, WHICH I DO NOT APPROVE OF.

THE ISSUES WOULD BE NOISE. THAT SEEMS TO BE MINIMAL.

TRAFFIC IN AND GENERAL INTENSITS MINIMAL.

THAT IS, TRAFFIC GENERATION. HOWEVER, THE MAJOR CONCERN IS TS ONLY ONE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO TE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL OF OAK RIDGE ROAD, ALL OF CY TREE ROAD, ALL OF THE KINGS EST, ALL OF OAKBROOK. I REQUESTED THAT THE PLANNING DT BE PREPARED TODAY TO TELL US HOY DWELLING UNITS ARE SERVED BY THE

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I SUSPECT THAT EVEN THIS SMALL W COULD BE THE ONE THAT BREAKS THS BACK BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY ADD E CAMEL'S LOAD.

THIS IS THE ONLY ACCESS. I EMPHASIZE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEVELOPMET UNITS.

SO I HAVE SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.

FIRST, THE COUNTY SHOULD DEVELOP IMMEDIATELY A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR PROVIDING ADDITIONAL ACCESS TO S NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING THIS OND BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH AD CONTRIBUTION TO THAT PLAN. SECOND, MAKE THIS SPECIAL USE PT NON-TRANSFERABLE BEYOND THE CURT O'HARA FAMILY THAT LIVES ON THE PROPERTY. THREE, SPECIFY THE AREA AS RESIL IN NATURE AS PART OF THE SPECIAE PERMIT TO DECREASE THE PROBABILF THE FOOT IN THE DOOR PROCESS. FOURTH, CLEAR LIMITS IN THE SPEE PERMIT FOR THE NUMBERS, BY THE , SOUND LEVELS, NUMBER OF VEHICLER OF PEOPLE, HOURS OF OPERATION. PROHIBIT COMMERCIAL USES OTHER N THOSE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWED BY T. NO FARMERS MARKET.

NO FLEA MARKET. THOSE ARE JUST TWO THAT I CAME H

THAT FIT RIGHT INTO THAT VENUE. >> PLEASE WRAP IT UP, SIR.

>> AND FINALLY, NO PARKING ON TD RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THAT WILL HELP LIMIT THE NUMBERF PEOPLE IN THE VENUE, AND IT WILP TRAFFIC SAFETY. FINALLY, THERE IS A SITE DISTANE PROBLEM FOR MACK ROAD DUE TO A RESIDENTIAL HEDGE, AND THIS DRIS ON A CURVE, WHICH IS GENERALLY G THAT IS DISCOURAGED.

WITH THAT, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR GO SIT DOWN.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MY PLEASURE.

>> OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS THOMAS B. WHITC.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS THOMAS B. WHIT COMP T 2872 KINGS ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE. ST. AUGUSTINE.

I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PET THAT'S BEEN APPLIED FOR.

I LIVE AT THAT 90-DEGREE CURVE T THERE THAT YOU SEE ON KINGS ROA.

AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY AS HAS BEEN AT THAT CURVE.

MOST OF THEM ALCOHOL-RELATED. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE GOIO ALLOW ALCOHOL AT THIS VENUE FORS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GET. >> OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER GARY WHITTINGTON. >> .

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS GARY WHITTINGTON I LT 2945 KINGS ROAD JUST EAST OF THT BARN PROPERTY.

MY CONCERNS WITH THE SPECIAL UST ARE MANY.

TRAFFIC LIGHTS, SAFETY ON KINGSD WHICH IS ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TALKED ABOUT. BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS NOISE PON THAT WE'LL BE SUBJECT TO. MY HOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY 4 FUN 4450 FEET FROM THE TRAFFIC LINEE CROW FLIES.

THERE'S A DEEP RAVINE THAT'S ON MR. COMPOSE'S PROPERTY THAT HASD AND THAT SOUND WILL COME ACROSST POND THROUGH THAT RAVINE LIKE AD SPEAKER. SO I DON'T SEE HOW IN THE WORLDS GOAG GOING TO BE MITIGATED AND S GOING TO MITIGATE IT.

ARE WE GOING TO CALL THE POLICEY TIME THAT THE NOISE IS TOO LOUDR WHATEVER, BUT MORE BURR DON'T SS DEPARTMENT? THAT COULD BE. BUT I SURELY HOPE NOT.

DEPENDING ON THE WIND DIRECTIONY NEIGHBOR WILL GET MORE NOISE THY EVER THOUGHT POSSIBLE THROUGH TE WOODS.

IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN THE IN WOR BEEN ON WATER, SOUND TRAVELS LIE CRAZY. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE NEIGHT SOME POINT, ALL NEIGHBORS AT SOT IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED, I DON'F IT'S EAST, NORTH, SOUTH, WEST, R THE WIND IS BLOWING, THAT'S WHEE SOUND IS GOING. WHO IS GOING TO MONITOR THE POL, NOISE POLLUTION? LIKE I SAID.

OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS SHOULD NE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOISE VIOLATIONA BUSINESS RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDA RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

ANOTHER BIG CONCERN IS THE ACCED FROM THE EVENTS IS DIRECTLY ON S ROAD. THE ONE-WAY ROAD AND IN AND OY

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THERE I WAS ROLLOVER ACCIDENT TT HAPPENED JUST RECENT BY MR. WHIS HOUSE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS CAT THERE ON NUMEROUS CASES, FOR S FOR PEOPLE SPEEDING UP AND DOWNT ROAD. ALSO EVERY TIME PULL OUT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY THERE'S A BIG DIP IN TD AND YOU CAN'T SEE THE CARS COMIY MR. CAMPOS'HOUSE UNTIL E. YOU PT AND THEY'RE GOING 80-MILE-AN-HO.

THEY'RE RIGHT ON YOUR BUMPER BEU CAN GET AROUND THE CURVE.

SO IF A CRASH OCCURS ANYWHERE IT INTERSECTION OF KINGS ROAD AND D THEY SHUT IT DOWN FOR SOME KINDF INVESTIGATION, WHAT'S GOING TO N THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ACCESS F THERE'S AN EMERGENCY BACK THEREA FIRE IF THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF TS OF PEOPLE BACK THERE IN THE BAC.

HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET BACK F YOUR FATHER HAS A HEART ATTACK E OF A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT AND THEY T THROUGH? SO I ASK YOU PLEASE NOT TO -- IU PLEASE TO SAY NO TO THIS SPECIAE PERMIT AND DO NOT DESTROY THE LS WE KNOW IT, AND THE SOUND THINGI SAID, IS GOING TO BE A HUGE FAC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TI.

>> OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS WELCOME WIL.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS WILLIAM WELDON, PROPY IMPORTANT AT 2945 KINGS ROAD LOD APPROXIMATELY 150 FEET FROM THED EVENT CENTER. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THE AGENCY THE APPLICATION FOR THIS AS I CR IT AN INCOMPATIBLE AND IMPROPERG USE. FIRST I'LL SET START OFF WITH NOTIFICATION. THE NOTIFICATION DID MEET THE GUIDELINES, BUT YOU'LL SEE FROM- FROM THAT SLIDE, AS OTHER PEOPLE MENTIONED, THERE ARE THOUSANDS S IMPACTED THROUGH TRAFFIC AND NOD AGAIN IT'S A ONE WAY IN ROAD, OY OUT, AND MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE ID HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OF THE NOE BECAUSE IT ONLY GOT TO 11 PEOPLE OF THE 300-FOOT DISTANCE, BUT IS MANY PEOPLE A LONG AWAY FROM THT 300-FOOT DISTANCE. SO LET'S GO TO THE ZONING.

OUR ZONING ALLOWS FOR CULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL SIEWCHESZ A CHURC- NOT CHURCHES -- PRIVATE CLUBS, Y CENTERS AND SCHOOLS.

THIS ONE IS NONE OF THOSE. IT'S A COMMERCIAL INTRIEPS IT'SG BUT COMPATIBLE WITH OUR ZONING. AND THE APPLICATION IS NOT ABOUA BUILDING OR A SECOND STRUCTURE. IT'S ABOUT THE USE OF THAT STRUN THAT SITE. A BARN EXISTS FOR SURE, BUT IT'E OF THAT AS AN EVENT CENTER AND A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE DOES NOT D THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. SO FOR STARTERS EVENT CENTERS AT LISTED AS A USE BY RIGHT OR SPEE IN YOUR LDC.

IT'S NOT A LISTED USE, AND IT ME REVIEWED AND APPROVED UPON -- AD ON IF THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT. THERE CERTAINLY WILL BE COME ADE IMPACTS AS MANY OF SPEAKER'S HAD TODAY.

THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC, NOISE ANT IMPACTS, AND THE PROPOSED CENTET REALLY A RURAL USE. THE RURAL THING IS THE BARN, BUE IS NOT RURAL AT ALL. IT'S AN EVENT CENTER, COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE SMACK IN THE MIDDLE A QUIET RURAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOD WHERE NO OTHER COMMERCIAL ENTERS EXIST.

NOW, THE NOISE FACTOR. THE NOISE IS GOING TO TRAVEL FRS CENTER WHICH IS ON HIGH GROUNDST ACROSS RAVINES INTO ADJACENT PR, AND MUCH FURTHER THAN THE LDC CF 100 FEET FOR AMPLIFIED NOISE ALD THIS IS FROM 10:00 P.M. TO 7:00N THE MORNING.

AS EVERYONE SAID, WHO IS GOING E THIS WHEN THE NOISE IS LOUD ANDS 20 OR 30 COMPLAINTS COMING THROT THERE'S STILL A BAND PLAYING ATN A SATURDAY NIGHT AND WE'RE HEART ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO WE GO TO THE TRAFFIC. THAT'S THE PROPOSED SITE.

I SEE NO TURN LANES WHO ARE STAS FOR TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THAT .

THERE'S NO TREAT STREET LIGHTIN. IT'S A DARK STREET, DANGEROUS SS MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY ATTESTO THE.

AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED, I SAW INE STAFF REPORT, IT'S NOT AN FDOT O THERE BEATENS HASN'T BEEN ANY W. YOU IT IS INCAPABILITY BUS AT AS

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IF THEY'RE NO WILLING TO REMOVE0 PEOPLE EVENTS AND KEEP THAT TRAC DOWN, THEN DENY IT. THAT'S ALL WE CAN ASK.

THANK YOU. >> WE NEED TO YOU TURN THOSE MA,

SIR. >> YES.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS LINDA RENDEN. [INAUDIBLE]

6. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA WOO. >> I'M PATRICIA WOOD AND I LEAV0 IN THE CURVE. OUR MAIN CONCERN IS, OF COURSE,E TRAFFIC. IT'S HORRIBLE.

WE HAVE HAD MY MAILBOX TAKEN OUE NOW FOR PEOPLE SPEEDING AROUND E CORNER. THERE'S NO LIGHTING IN THAT AREL AT NIGHT TIME, AND IF I GO OUT Y DRIVEWAY, I CAN BARELY EVEN SEET PERSON'S DRIVEWAY BECAUSE OF HOT IS.

AND THEY SPEED AROUND THERE. THERE'S NO, LIKE HE SAID, NO LI.

AND I JUST FEEL THAT THAT'S GOIO HARM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE F CARS PROPOSED TO COME IN AND OU. ALSO, MY CONCERN IS THE ALCOHOLD DRIVING IN THAT AREA AT DARK ANT BEING ABLE TO SEE VERY WELL, SOS OUR CONCERNS LIVING RIGHT THERET AREA.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT HALL. ROBERT HALL.

>> I BELIEVE HE WENT BE HERE. >> OKAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS ALL THE SS WE HAVE.

>> OKAY. SO WE ARE -- [INAUDIBLE] YES, YOU MAY IF YOU TURN A CARD,

SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS JOHN LUNSFORD, I LIVT ACROSS THE STREET RAT 3050 KING.

I WAS NOT INITIALLY GOING TO SPT AFTER HEARING THE PROPOSAL, I DR SOME FALSE INFORMATION, SO I'VED TO ADDRESS IT WITH YOU GUYS.

I RAISE -- I'M RAISING A YOUNG Y ACROSS THE DISCRETE.

I HAVE A FOUR-YEAR-OLD AND A TWA HALF-YEAR-OLD.

>> SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE A E LOUDER, SIR.

>> I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET ANDA FOUR YEERL AND A TWO AND A HALFD THAT LIVE ACROSS THE STREET. THAT PARTICULAR CURVE WHERE ENTO THIS BARN IS PROPOSED IN MY EXPE IN SEVEN YEARS LIVING HERE HAS A VERY DANGEROUS LOCATION AS FAR S ARE CONCERNED IN OUR NEIGHBORHO.

AS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED WOIBTS A Y IN, ONE WAY OUT TYPE OF A NEIGHD AND WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT SPEEDINS AROUND THAT CURVE.

I SPECIFICALLY BUILT A CHAIN LIE AND GATE FOR MY PROPERTY TO KEES AND DOGS FROM MAKING IT INTO TH. I WILL SAY THAT FIRSTHAND EXPERE HERE, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THERE A SIGNIFICANTLY LOUD PARTY ACROSSE STREET THAT WAS WELL WITHIN VIEY PROPERTY.

I WAS VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR THL IN THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, IN FACT.

THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY -- THEREY TOO MUCH IN THE PROPOSAL, FROM I CAN TELL, THAT IS JUST NOT BEING ADDRESSED AS FAR AS NUMBER OF E.

THE OCCUPANCY I FEEL IS VERY HIR THE LOCATION ACROSS FROM MY PRO, AND I DO HAVE CONCERN WITH THE G THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY THERE AND D IN WHICH FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE G AROUND THAT CURVE, SO I'D LIKE E THAT ADDRESSED I THINK BEFORE TS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

THAT BEING SAID, I DID REACH OUE PROPERTY OWNER THIS MORNING ANDS HAPPY TO SCHEDULE A TIME WITH MS AFTERNOON TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAS GOING ON. SHE WAS DR VERY CORDIAL AND I HO ISSUE WITH THAT. I JUST FRANKLY HAVEN'T HAD TIMEO IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATIOND

DEFINITELY PROJECT. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOE TO SPEAK TO THIS MATTER? SEEK NONE, WE'LL OPEN IT UP -- N

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>> SIGHT. COME ON UP.

I NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A SPEAKE, PLEASE.

>> MY NAME IS JILL GARCIA, AND T 3150 VICTORIA DRIVE, WHICH IS JN THE STREET OFF OF MACK ROAD. FOR THE VERY REASON THAT THIS LS TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COME IN ANY THE PEACEFULNESS AND SERENITY AE BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY IS THE SAME N THAT ALL OF US DON'T WANT THAT.

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AND LIKE SOMEONE MENTIONED, THEY ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF THAT RESI.

AND IF THE PEOPLE ON POINSETTIAT WANT TO OPEN UP THEIR ROAD, OF , NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THIC IN AND OUT OF THEIR ROAD.

SO WHY SHOULD WE BEAR THE BRUNTF SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE O CURVES, NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS ALL E TIME. ALL THE TIME.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT. PLEASE CONSIDER ALL OF US THAT E THERE AND NOT JUST ONE PERSON WS TO BRING IN A LOT MORE PEOPLE IT AREA, WHICH THERE'S NO REASON T. THERE'S OTHER VENUES AND OTHER O HAVE IT OTHER THAN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR. >> ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE TO SPEAK TS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO GIVE E APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMD

PROVIDE SOME REBUTTAL. >> LISTENING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS I'VE BROKEN IT COUN INTO A FEW AREAS AND I'LL TRY TO HIT ON EVERYONE'S POINTS HERE, THE FIRST BEING TRAFFIC WHICH I HEARD THE MOST. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS FROM SOME OF THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS OF WHAT WILL THE IMPACTS ACTUALLY BE, WHAT'S THE TRIP GENERATION HERE.

AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO PIN DOWN BECAUSE THE MAJORITY, AS I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, ARE NOT GOING TO BE THESE LARGER EVENTS THAT I THINK COMMENTS TO MIND WHEN YOU THINK OF A SPECIAL EVENT CENTER. ON AVERAGE, I WOULD EXPECT AN AVERAGE ACTIVITY OR EVENT TO BE ABOUT 25 PEOPLE, AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE OCCUPANCY OF THE CAR, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT ABOUT SEVEN TO 12 CARS FOR ROUND TRIPS. AT THE VERY MAXIMUM, IF YOU HAD AN EVENT OF 100, THEN AS YOU SAW ON THE SITE PLAN, WE'RE KIND OF LIMITED ALSO BY THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE DEDICATING FOR PARKING BECAUSE OF WHERE THE TREES ARE, BUT YOU'D PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 25. THE OTHER THING TO MENTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IS THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY WITHOUT THIS SPECIAL USE REQUEST IS RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR P.M., A.M. PEAK HOURS WITHIN THAT 6:00 TO 8:00 A.M. AND THE 4:00 THE 6:00 P.M.

RANGE. IT'S HIGHLY PROBABLE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES ARE GOING TO BE OFF FROM THOSE PEAKS. SO EVEN WITH THAT TRIP, THAT

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THERE ARE NO SIGNS PROPOSED. AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO BE APPOINTMENT ONLY, SO EVEN FOR THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND A TYPE OF EDUCATIONAL USE THAT WE HAD MENTIONED EARLIER FOR SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A WEDDING EVENT OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED ON A ONE-OFF BASIS. THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY PERMANENT SIGN FOR THIS AS A DESIGNATED SPECIAL EVENT CENTER. IN FACT, I WAS JUST SPEAKING WITH MY CLIENT AS WE WERE LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT, AND SHE WOULD BE FINE WITH ADDING A CONDITION TO THE SPECIAL USE THAT THAT 100, THAT CAP OF 100 PEOPLE TYPE OF WEDDING OR SMALL EVENT THAT WOULD BE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE AVERAGE 25 WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE PER MONTH, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION SHE FEELS ABSOLUTELY COMFORTABLE WITH.

THAT'S NOT THE MAIN IDEA BEHIND ASKING FOR THIS REQUEST.

NOISE, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT SOUND DOES TRAVEL, AND ANY TIME YOU THINK ABOUT MUSIC OR HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT, OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONCERN.

I WILL SAY THAT MS. O'HARA HAS LIVED ON THE PROPERTY SINCE THE 1970S. SHE WANTS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SHE DOES NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF CAUSING ANY KIND OF NUISANCES TO HER SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS A FAMILY OPERATION, NOT A COMMERCIAL EVENT, SO THE EMPLOYEES ARE THE COUPLE OF FAMILIES THAT LIVE THERE ON THE PROPERTY. THEY DON'T WANT ANGRY NEIGHBORS THAT'S GOING TO BE BAD FOR THEM.

SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE HIGHLY MOTIVATED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THOSE AROUND THEM.

ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO MENTION HERE IS -- OH, ONE THING I FORGOT ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL USE, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ALCOHOL AS PART OF THE SPECIAL USE REQUEST. IT WAS NOT IN THE PACKET.

BUT I JUST DID WANT TO CONFIRM THAT SINCE IT CAME UP FROM A COUPLE OF FOLKS. AND THEN I DID WANT TO MENTION REAL QUICK HERE SPECIFICALLY, MR. STEVENSON HAD A LIST OF ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED, AND I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THOSE REAL QUICKLY. COUNTY PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S OUT OF MY CONTROL, BUT IT WAS MADE MENTION THAT THERE WAS A WORRY THAT THIS COULD BE SOLD AND SOMEONE ELSE COULD USE IT. WE HAD EVERY INTENTION OF THIS BEING NON-TRANSFERABLE, SO THAT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS REQUEST. AND IN TERMS OF CLEAR LIMITS OF USES, I HAD ALREADY MENTIONED THE CAP ON THE 100 PEOPLE.

AS FAR AS THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THAT FOLLOWS THE NOISE ORDINANCE, AND WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.

THE SITE PLAN ITSELF IS A CONDITION IN A WAY.

THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO BE AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE TO SHOW WHERE THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE. AND, OF COURSE, WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE IF IT MAKES EVERYONE MORE COMFORTABLE TO INCLUDE A CONDITION SPECIFYING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THANK YOU.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

DR. HILSENBECK. >> I DO.

YOU MENTIONED THIS WAS NOT GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL OPERATION, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO CHARGE FOR EVENTS? LET'S SAY THERE WAS A WEDDING THERE.

THEY ARE GOING TO CHARGE FOR THAT?

>> YES, IT WOULD BE ANCILLARY INCOME TO THE FAMILIES LIVING

THERE. >> SO THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR

COMMERCIAL THEN? >> NO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DAILY USE. IT'S GOING TO BE ANCILLARY

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>> SO COMMERCIAL HAS TO BE A DAILY USE?

>> DID YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN? I DON'T WANT TO MISINTERPRET THE

CODE. >> OKAY.

WELL, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

>> YES. IF I MAY, I DO NOT BELIEVE COMMERCIAL HAS TO BE A DAILY USE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN OUR CODE THAT ACTUALLY SAYS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IT LISTS OUT SPECIFIC COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN OUR COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

>> RIGHT. >> THIS PROPERTY IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE FOR THIS, FOR THIS SPECIAL USE TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR, I'M GOING TO SAY IT DOES ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL-TYPE ACTIVITIES TO OCCUR.

IT IS ALLOWING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO COME ON THIS SITE AND PARTICIPATE IN SOME EVENT IF THEY ARE HAVING IT ON THIS

SITE. >> TERESA, LET ME INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND. SO BY WAY OF FOR INSTANCE, THEY COULD BE GROWING PLANTS THERE AND SELLING PLANTS ON THE SITE.

IS THAT CORRECT? BLG THEY SELL PLEASANT IN AN OR

DISTRICT? >>

>> YES, SIR, THEY COULD. >> YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE NOT SEEKING AN ALCOHOL PERMIT AS PART OF THIS.

LET'S SAY THERE I WAS WEDDING. WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING TO PREVENT GUESTS AT THE WEDDING FROM BRINGING THEIR OWN ALCOHOL

AND CONSUMING IT? >> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CONTROL OF WHAT WE COULD MONITOR RAILROAD REGULATE WITHIN IF SPECIAL USE. I KNOW THE CLIENT HAS NO INTENTION OF SELLING ALCOHOL. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HANDLED ON AN EVENT-BY-EVENT BASIS AT THAT POINT IF THAT IS WAS GOING TO BE CONTEMPLATED IN THE FUTURE.

>> I'VE BEEN TO SOME PRETTY ROWDY WEDDINGS IN MY DAY, AND IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CONTROL 100 PEOPLE FROM NOT AS

DRINKING. >> I THINK I SAW PICTURES ON

FACEBOOK. >> I'M NOT ON FACEBOOK.

[LAUGHTER] NEVER WILL BE.

YOU MENTIONED NOW YOU'RE GOING TO REMOVE ANY ON THE-THE-ROAD PARKING ON THE SHOULDER AND SO FORTH, BUT EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION, SO YOU HAVE SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED THIS, YOU SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MULCHED TRAIL ALONG THE ENTRANCE ROAD FOR PEOPLE WHO WOULD PARK AND WALK IN.

SO NOW YOU'RE PULLING THAT CONCEPT.

>> NO, I THINK THE INTENTION WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTERS WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE PARKING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY PARKING ON PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> OKAY. BUT I THOUGHT YOU HAD STATED WERE YOU HAVING A MULCHED AUSTRALIA TRAIL SO PEOPLE COULD

PARK THERE AND THEN WALK IN. >> SO THIS AREA--

>> THAT WAS BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> NO, NOTHING IS CHANGING WITH THE SITE PLAN.

HERE'S KINGS ROAD. THIS IS ALL INTERIOR TO THE SITE. SO THIS WOULD BE AN UNPAVED, EITHER GRAVEL OR COQUINA TYPE BASE.

THE MULCH TRAIL IS JUST TO HAVE A SAFE PATHWAY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING ON THE SITE TO WALK TO THE BARN.

>> OKAY. AS I SAID DURING EX PARTE, I DID DRIVE DOWN THERE YESTERDAY, AND WITH MY WIFE, AND I'LL HAVE TO SAY I'M ASHAMED I HAVE NEVER BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE, BUT I WAS SURPRISED AT THAT 90-DEGREE CURVE TO THE EAST, THAT THAT DID SEEM TO BE A FAIRLY DANGEROUS CURVE.

I COULD SEE WHERE PEOPLE COULD RUN OFF THE ROAD INTO A DITCH OR WHATEVER. AND APPARENTLY THAT'S HAPPENED.

THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS RESIDENTS, ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS AND WHAT TESTIMONY THEY GAVE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IS A FAIRLY DANGEROUS ROAD AND IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT FOR HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THERE, AND THAT IS A QUIET RURAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT'S A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WAS REALLY ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ITEM. IN FACT, WHEN I WALKED IN HERE TODAY, I THOUGHT I WOULD VOTE FOR IT, BUTTONSLY AFTER HEARING THE -- HONESTLY AFTER HEARING THE NEIGHBORS' TESTIMONY, I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THE ITEM. SO I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST IT.

BUT THANK YOU. >> MR. PETER.

>> YEAH, THIS IS A QUESTION I THINK MOSTLY FOR STAFF.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME AGAIN WHY THIS IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND NOT A REZONING REQUEST TO COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY WILL BE CHARGING. I DON'T GET THAT.

>> SO SPECIAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY EVENT CENTERS, AND THIS TYPE OF USE IS NOT LISTED IN OUR CODE.

WE DO HAVE A PROVISION IN OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR AN UNLISTED USE, CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THIS AGENCY AS A SPECIAL USE, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS HOW THIS IS MAKING IT TO YOUR -- TO

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IT COULD LETTERS BE CONSIDERED A CULTURAL INSTITUTIONAL TYPE USE. IT IS AN EVENT CENTER, SO THAT SOMEONE COULD COME IN, THEY SCHEDULE TIMES THAT THEY ARE COMING IN. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S OPEN ALL DAY LONG, 24 HOURS A DAY OR EIGHT HOURS A DAY OR SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE COULD TO COME AND GO AS THEY LEAST.

IT IS MORE OF AN APPOINTMENT-ONLY TYPE BASIS SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHEN THOSE EVENTS ARE OCCURRING THERE.

>> COULD I ADD SOMETHING REAL QUICKLY TO THAT, JUST KIND GOING BACK TO BOTH OF YOUR QUESTIONS, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE ARE SOME NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ALLOWED IN OPEN RURAL THAT COULD EITHER, PAID OR UNPAID, LIKE MUSEUMS, GENERAL STORES.

SMEM SOME OF THEM ARE BY SPECIL USE ONLY.

SOME OF THEM ARE BY RIGHT. BUT I THINK IN THIS SITUATION IT REALLY DOES COME TO DOWN TO MORE OF THE INTENSITY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED U.S. VERSUS JUST LOOKING AT THE USE BY ITSELF.

AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE ALL THOSE LIMITATIONS, FOR BE ABLE TO RETAIN THAT LOW INTENSITY ON THE

PROPERTY. >> ALL RIGHT.

MS. PERKINS. >> IN YOUR APPLICATION LACKS SPECIFICITY AND BE I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT.

YOU HAVE 100 MAX. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT NUMBER? HOW DID YOU GET THERE? YOUR AVERAGE IS 20, 25 BUT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU GET GOING AND YOU START HAVING EVENTS. BUT IS THE MAX PURPLE BASED OFF OF PROPERTY SIZE, THE BUILDING SIZE? WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? DID YOU JUST COME UP WITH THAT?

>> THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE MAXIMUM IMPACT THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE FOR, SO PART OF IT IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY PARKING.

IN THIS CASE WE WANTED TO PRESERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, AND SO WE WERE IN SOME WAYS LIMITED TO WHAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS WE WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT THAT MAY HAPPEN ONCE A MONTH, SO 100 FELT LIKE A GOOD CAP TO PUT ON IT.

THE BUILDING, ACTUALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL OPTIONS CURRENTLY FOR THE INTERIOR OF HOW TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE GATHERING AREA MORE EXACT TO BE ABLE TO ASSOCIATE WITH THAT KIND OF MAXIMUM.

BUT DID YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT --

>> WELL, HOW DO YOU CONTROL IT? YOU HAVE A WEDDING.

MY WEDDING WAS I THINK CONSIDERED A SMALL WEDDING BUT IT WAS 120 PEOPLE. I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO HOW DO YOU CONTROL THAT? IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WEDDING AND YOU'RE RENTING IT OUT TO THAT PERSON, TELLING THEM THEY HAVE 100 PEOPLE MAX, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CONTROL IT?

>> IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE WAY THAT THE INTERIOR BUILD-OUT IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED, SO DEPENDING ON YOUR GATHERING SPACE, AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS BEHIND IT, BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH NOW, HOW TO RETROFIT THE INTERIOR TO NOT GO OVER THAT THRESHOLD.

>> BUT IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. >> WELL, IT WOULD BE A CONDITION

OF THE SPECIAL USE. >> CORRECT.

BUT HOW COULD THE COUNTY KNOW IF YOU'RE -- IF IT'S NOT BEING

ENFORCED? >> WELL, SO SHOULD THIS SPECIAL USE APPROVAL GO THROUGH, THEN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE DOING THE SITE, THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND THEN ALSO THE ARCHITECTURE, THE BUILDING PLANS FOR THE INTERIOR OF THE BARN ITSELF, AND THAT'S WHEN THAT OCCUPANT LOAD WOULD BE VERIFIED.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST DON'T, I DON'T AGREE THAT IT WILL BE ENFORCEABLE AT ALL. AND YOU WANTED TO ADD A DO NOT SPECIAL USE PERMIT LIMITING OR HAVING NO PARKING, STATING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT, EITHER.

AND THEN THE SIGN, YOU SAID THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SIGN.

YOU CAN PUT THAT IN A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS A CONDITION, BUT WOULD YOU HAVE TO COME BACK HERE IN ORDER TO GET A SIGN IF YOU WANT TO EVENTUALLY GET ONE OR WOULD IT DO YOU HAVE TO JUST APPLY FOR A PERMIT ON

THAT? >> YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILE -- I MEAN FOR EACH EVENT SPECIFICALLY?

>> RIGHT. >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR

A TEMPORARY SIGN PERMIT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

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>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO COME AT THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

I THINK JOE STEVENSON EARLY ON DISCUSSED HIS KNOWLEDGE OF SALLY O'HARA, AND WHAT SHE HAS DONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND SALLY HAD MENTIONED THAT SHE REALLY HADN'T GOTTEN TO KNOW MANY OF HER NEIGHBORS BEFORE THIS ISSUE CAME UP, AND THEN SHE HAS GOTTEN TO KNOW MANY OF HER NEIGHBORS. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE AND ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ABOUT THE DANGER TO THE CHILDREN, BUT LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SEAL O'HARA. SALLY O'HARA WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH SCENIC TWHIE A1A. SHE DID GOT A LOT OF THE GRANT MONEY DISPUF TO MAKE THAT WORK. SHE WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH -- TO GET THAT WORKING SO THAT IS IT'S BEEN VERY.

AND SHE'S BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN THE ROTARY CLUB, AND VERY MUCH SHE HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT OF THE ROTARY CLUB.

SO AS A COMMUNITY CITIZEN, SALLY O'HARA IS AN OUTSTANDING PERSON. SO I'LL SAY THAT ON HER BEHALF.

OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN HERE, FIRST OF ALL, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL NOT BE TRANSFERABLE TO ANY OTHER LOCATION OR ENTITY, SO THAT'S ANSWERED.

THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT SHALL BE GOVERNED BY THE ST. JOHNS ALCOHOL BEVERAGE ORDINANCE. NOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT APPLIES TO HER PARTICULAR BUSINESS, AND IT IS A BUSINESS, I BELIEVE, SINCE SHE'S CHARGING FOR ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE THERE, SO THE ARGUMENTS THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING IS, WELL, THIS IS OPENING UP A COMMERCIAL OPERATION INTO WHAT IS BASICALLY A RURAL COMMUNITY, AND NOW WE'RE OPENING IT UP TO ONE COMMERCIAL OPERATION. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT? JOE BROUGHT UP THE POINT THAT THERE IS THAT CURVE, AND IT'S A DANGEROUS CURVE. EVERYBODY AGREES TO THAT.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE ACCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE -- HAVE DRANK TOO MUCH, AND AT WEDDINGS THAT TEND TO HAPPEN, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN CONTROL FOR THAT.

SO I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS RIGHT NOW ON THIS.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COMMUNITY RESIDENTS ARE COMING FROM, BUT I ALSO KNOW SALLY AND I KNOW WHAT HER INTENTIONS ARE, I BELIEVE, WITH THIS OPERATION THAT SHE WANTS TO DO.

AND BASED ON THAT, I'M TENDING TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL RATHER

THAN VOTE AGAINST IT. >> THANK YOU, DR. MCCORMICK.

MR. MILLER. >> YES.

I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF.

SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE EVENT SPACE, WILL THERE HAVE TO BE A FIRE MARSHAL CERTIFICATE STATING THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY?

>> YES, SIR, THERE WILL, AND THAT WILL COME AT THE TIME THAT WE START REVIEWING CONSTRUCTION PLANS OR WHATEVER ARCHITECTURAL TYPE PLANS THAT WE SEE THAT COMES THROUGH.

>> AND IF WE PUT A CONDITION ON IT AND SAID NO MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE IN HERE, COULD THE FIRE MARSHAL PUT THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE PERMIT IF THEY AGREED TO IT?

>> I BELIEVE SO, YES, SIR. THAT'S A LITTLE OUT OF MY PURVIEW, AND THE FIRE SERVICE ISN'T HERE, BUT, YES, SIR, I BELIEVE IF WE HAVE A CONDITION IN THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT THAT SAYS CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE THERE AT ONE TIME, THERE'S AN OCCUPANCY LEVEL OF 100 PEOPLE, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT AS A COMMENT DURING THAT CLEARANCE SHEET OR CONSTRUCTION PLAN REVIEW, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE NOTICED AT

THAT POINT. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF STAFF. ONE, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION OF KINGS ROAD IS, THE ROAD WE FRONT ON THERE? IS THAT AN ARTERIAL ROAD OR IS IT SUBDIVISION ROAD?

>> WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE THAT KNOWS THAT ANSWER.

>> AFTERNOON, DICK SOUSA, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

IT IS CLASSIFIED CURRENTLY AS A LOCAL ROAD.

>> SO IT'S LOCAL. OKAY.

AND SO MY NEXT QUESTION OF STAFF IS -- THANK YOU, MR. SOUSA.

-- UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING -- MR. SOUSA, I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU DON'T WALK ALL THE WAY BACK YET. UNDER THE EXISTING OANG ZONING OR THEY CAN DO ONE ACRE LOTS, RIGHT, WITH WELL AND SEPTIC.

>> YES, SIR, THE OR ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR 1 ACRE LOTS, YES,

SIR. >> AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS PROPERTY SAUL USABLE BUT IT'S 14 ACRES.

I ASSUME THEY COULD PUT ABOUT TEN LOTS ON THERE.

MR. SOUSA, WHAT TRAFFIC PER DAY DOES TEN LOTS GENERATE, TEN

HOUSES? >> A TYPICAL HOUSE IS ABOUT NINE

AND A HALF TRIPS, SO 95 TRIPS. >> SO THE IF THERE WERE 14

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HOUSES, IT WOULD GENERATE 95 >> YES, AVERAGE DAILY.

>> WHICH DELTA WOULD ONLY BE 20 TRIPS BECAUSE THEY HAVE HOUSES

THERE ALREADY. >> CORRECT.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY.

THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, I THINK. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SPEAKER LIST, SO WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.

WAIT A MINUTE. WE'VE GOT MORE SPEAKERS.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A

MOTION. >> OKAY.

GO RIGHT AHEAD. >> MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE SUPMAJ 2021-01 TARA HILL BARN BASED ON EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO NINE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION FOR OOH APPROVAL BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE ARE EIGHT FINDINGS?

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS 11. >> YEAH, THERE WERE 11.

IT SAID NINE BUT THERE ARE 11, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> THERE ARE EIGHT FINDINGS AND 11 CONDITIONS. TO CLARIFY.

>> SO THAT'S YOUR MOTION, MR. MC.

EIGHT FINDINGS AND 11 CONDITIONS?

>> YES.% SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S CAST THE VOTE. THAT DIES.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER OF 4, MR. FRAZIER.

>> MR. MATOVINA, IF I MAY. >> YES.

>> I SUGGEST THAT IF THERE COULD BE A MOTION ON THE APPLICATION THAT WOULD PASS EITHER WAY, THAT WOULD CREATE A CLEANER RECORD.

>> OKAY. THEN HOLD ON ONE SECOND, MR. FRAZIER. YOU CAN STAY RIGHT THERE.

WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

>> I MAKE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, WILL THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TOM COULD BACK HERE FOR ANOTHER YEAR? DISL A WAY TO ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT APPLICATION? [INAUDIBLE]

>> ALSO THE CASE, TERESA, FOR THESE ITEMS. DO YOU KNOW? OKAY.

WE NEED TO LOOK THAT UP. >> IT'S FINE EITHER WAY.

I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. MS. PERKINS, THAT LIMITATION

DOES APPLY TO REZONINGS ONLY. >> OKAY.

>> COULD YA'LL TAKE THE CONVERSATION OUTSIDE OR LISTEN, PLEASE. EITHER ONE.

ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DENIAL, THEN. WE DID NOT APPROVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A

MOTION FOR DENIAL. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY ZONING VARIANCE 2021-03 -- EXCUSE ME.

WRONG ONE. MOTION TO DENY SPECIAL USE PERMIT IMAGINE 2021-01 TARA HILL BARN BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE.

SO A YES VOTE, BY THE WAY, MEANS YOUR VOTING TO DENY.

DO WE NEED TO START OVER AGAIN? >> NO, WE JUST NEED HELP WITH THE BUTTONS.

[4. ZVAR 2021-03 Frazier Residence (380 Shamrock Road).]

I KNOW. PLEASE VOTE AGAIN, THOUGH, WE STARTED OVER. IT'S A DO-OVER.

AND MR. PETER, YOU NEED TO PUSH YOUR BUTTON, PLEASE.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT MOTION PASSES 5-2. ALL RIGHT.

NOW WE'RE ON TO MR. FRAZIER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

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I HEAR YOU JUST HAD A TOUGH ONE TO GO THROUGH.

LOOKING TO JUST DO A SETBACK OF A 1-1/2 FEET ON A PROPERTY LINE THAT ADJOINS MY NEIGHBOR, VICTORIA BALSAMO.

SHE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH A FEW MORE NEIGHBORS.

WE HAD SOME NICE LETTERS WRITTEN WITH YOU.

THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS WOULD BE NICE, AND I WOULD SAY FLOWING, IF YOU WANTED TO CALL IT THAT.

IF I CAN THROW A COUPLE ITEMS UP ON THE PROJECTION, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THAT. AND THE ADDRESS WAS DWHREAGHT SHAMROCK ROAD, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA 32086.

THIS WOULD BE YOUR LOCATION MAP.

LET ME TURN IT CORRECT BEFORE YOU.

WE ALSO PROVIDED A ZONING MAP WHICH PRETTY MUCH PUTS ME IN YOUR COUNTY. THE FLUE MAP WHICH FLU MAPH IS FUTURE LAND USAGE SEEMS TO BE PRETTY MUCH INTACT.

NOTHING THERE TO CRY ABOUT. AND WE HAD THE NUD ZONE MAP WHICH PUTS US AT 24 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL SO NONE OF THE STRUCTURES WE HAVE, PER SE, WE'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THAT. THE AERIAL MAP JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHERE WE'RE AT. AND THIS WOULD BE AB EXHIBIT B.

OF WHAT IT WOULD POSSIBLY LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS ERECTED.

THIS IS THE OVERLAY OF THAT HOUSE.

AS YOU CAN SEE AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO COVERINGS OVER THE CARS OR THE BOATS ON THAT NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

WE PLAN TO BASICALLY PUT A BUILDING IN PLACE WHICH IS JUST A COVERED CARPORT. IT WILL BE THE FULL LENGTH OF THE HOUSE. AND ON THAT ARTIST'S RENDERING YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY PUSHED BACK BY 2 FEET.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE ONE THAT DID THE WORK, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A LITTLE LACK OF COMMUNICATION. THAT WOULD BE THE LOOK OF THE FACADE. IT WOULD MATCH THE FRONT.

IT WILL BE HURRICANE ERECTED FOR LIFT AND LOAD.

THE ONLY ENCROACHMENT WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE ABOUT 1-1/2 FEET OF VARIANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TO BE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE CONSTRUCTION PRACTICE OF THIS BUILDING ALONG WITH THE HOUSE WOULD BE A SEAMLESS FLOW.

WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE TO BE PASSED OPEN OTHER THAN THAT I WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE AND CLEAN AND KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPY.

I'M PRETTY MUCH DONE. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THERE ANY EX PARTE

COMMUNICATION? >> YES, I DID DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY YESTERDAY, AND I ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT MR. FRAZIER. HE WAS OUT IN THE YARD.

AND SO WE SPOKE FOR ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.

AND I HAVE TO SAY ACCORDING TO THE LETTERS, EVERY NEIGHBOR SAID HIS PROPERTY WAS VERY WELL KEPT, AND I DID OBSERVE THAT, AND I THINK HE'LL DO A GOOD JOB ON ERECTING THIS STRUCTURE.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. FRAZIER BESIDES ME? MR. FRAZIER.

>> YES, SIR. >> FIRST OFF, THIS IS MAYBE THE EASIEST OF THE TWO QUESTIONS, WHY IS THE STRUCTURE SO LONG?

IS YOUR BOAT THAT LONG? >> BASICALLY, NO, WE WANTED TO STORE THE RV AND/OR JET SKIS AND/OR BOAT AND/OR CARS.

WE JUST WANTED IT THE FULL LENGTH OF HOUSE TO KEEP THE AESTHETIC VIEW OF THE HOUSE ALL IN LINE, AND IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER ISSUES AS FAR AS LIKE RAIN RUNOFF OR WATER DISPLACEMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I NOTICED THAT ON ATHLETES THESE THOE THERE PHOTOS THERE IS NO GUIR SYSTEM AND IT REMEMBER INSTALLED AND IT DOES TO GO A MAIN DRAINAGE THAT DOES FEED UP TO THE MAIN STORM DRAIN THAT'S ALREADY INTACT.

>> SO HERE'S MAYBE MY TOUGHER QUESTION, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING THE HARDSHIP, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A HARDSHIP IN FITTING THIS STRUCTURE ON THE LOT.

I GET THAT. >> YES, SIR.

>> THE HARDSHIP TO ME ALSO NEEDS TO SPEAK TO WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THESE THINGS ON THE LOT IN THAT SPOT, SO CAN YOU TELL ME.

>> ACTUALLY, WE DON'T OWN ALL FOUR ITEMS THAT I MENTIONED, BUT IT WOULD BE A COVERING FOR BASICALLY A TRUCK AND A BOAT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

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>> AND AT ANY OTHER TIME, IF THINGS PROGRESSED AND WE RUN INTO OME MORE MONEY, MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE A NICE RV WE CAN PUT UNDERNEATH THERE TOO. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENTS OF ALL THE ASSETS WE ALREADY HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2021-03 FRAZIER --

>> DR. MCCORMICK, STOP FOR A MINUTE.

I FORGOT TO ASK FOR SPEAKER CARDS, AND WE DO HAVE A

SPEAKER. >> WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER FOR THIS

ITEM. >> MY MISTAKE.

WE DID HAVE A SPEAKER NUP. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. VICTORIA BALSAMO.

>> MY NAME IS VICTORIA BALSAMO I LIVE THE 372 SHAMROCK ROAD.

MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO LINDA AND MIKE FRASIER'S.

RHYME ON THE NORTH SIDE, THE SIDE THAT'S AFFECTED BY THAT.

MIKE IS A COMPLETE TOTAL PERFECTIONIST.

IF HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT, HE'S GOING TO BUILD IT SO IT FLOWS AND LOOKS GOOD. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT WHATSOEVER. THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

SO O'NEILL NEED TO TAKE T REALLY NEED TO TAKE MUCH TIME.

>> THANK YOU. AND SORRY THAT I BLEW IT THERE.

>> I WAITED A LONG TIME. >> IT WAS NOT THE APPLICANT'S FAULT. IT WAS MY FAULT.

ALL RIGHT. DR. MCCORMICK, WE'RE BACK TO

YOU. >> AM I BACK ON? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M STILL GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2021-03 THE FRAZIER RESIDENCE, 380 SHAMROCK ROAD, A REQUEST FOR A ZONING VARIANCE TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 6.01 TO ALLOW A SIDE WARD SETBACK OF 1-1/2 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 8-FOOT REQUIREMENT IN RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 3, RS-3 ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE A DETACHED CARPORT, SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 380 SHAMROCK ROAD BASED ON FIVE FINDS NGTS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO EIGHT CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY DR. MCCORMICK, SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK TO APPROVE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

VOTE >> JUST ONE POINT TO ADD.

I DID HAVE ALL MY COUNTY WORKMANSHIP AND CODES IMPACTED BY THE CODES AND ETHICS OF YOUR COUNTY, AND THEY'RE ALL -- WHAT

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WHAT I MEANT IS THAT IT'S OVERBUILT.

>> OKAY. >> SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A VERY NICE STRUCTURE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN.

>> OKAY. >> HAVE A GOOD DAY.

>> LET'S MOVE TO MS. DONOVAN. >> HELLO.

MY NAME IS JOEL DONOVAN AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

I'M LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE TO PUT A POOL IN MY BACKYARD ON 3 SOUTH ROSCOE. I HAVE SOME PICTURES THAT I CAN PUT UP TO SHOW YOU. I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, AND LET ME JUST SHOW YOU WHAT I GOT GOING ON REAL QUICK.

SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT AT THE END OF CANAL ON ROSCOE BOULEVARD.

ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE BOUGHT FROT IS BECAUSE IT'S FILLED WITH BEAUTIFUL OAK TREES. I'M LIMITED ON MY SPACE IN THE BACKYARD BECAUSE OF THE RIVER LINE THAT SORT OF CUTS MY BACKYARD IN HALF, SO IF YOU LOOK, I ACTUALLY HAVE A BACKYARD, BUT A LOT OF IT IS SET BACK FROM THE LINE THAT IS I BELIEVE CALLED THE RIPARIAN LINE.

SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS PUT THE SWIMMING POOL ONE FOOT OFF OF THAT LINE. THE REASON I'M HAVING TO DO THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE OAK TREES, SO IF YOU -- IF YOU LOOK AT THESE ROUND CIRCUMSTANTIALS THAT ARE AROUND THE OAK TREES -- CIRCLES, I CAN'T BUT THE POOL ON THE SOUTH END OF MY PROPERTY OR THE NORTH END OF MY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WILL KILL THE OAK TREE&, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT MY NUMEROUS POOL EXRARS AND ARBORISTS.

THIS RIGHT HERE IS A PICTURE FROM THE RIVER LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM BUT

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THIS RIGHT HERE WAS THE ORIGINAL LOCATION WHICH IS THE SOUTH ENDS OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE.

YOU HAVE A VERY OLD OAK TREE RIGHT THERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE JUST BASICALLY WHERE I'M STANDING TAKING THAT PICTURE. SO THAT IS MY REQUEST.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY SPART COMMUNICATIONS? ? NONE? OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, SIR.

AND IT'S YOU THIS PHOTOGRAPH RIGHT HERE.

YOU DO NOT REALLY OWN ALL THAT PROPERTY.

SOME OF THAT PROPERTY IS IN THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS AREA.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> SO WHEN WE LOOK AT YOUR SITE PLAN, THERE'S LIKE A BIG DISTANCE WHERE YOU HAVE A WALKWAY OUT TO YOUR DOCK, THAT

YOU DON'T OWN. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM BECAUSE BASED ON THIS PHOTO, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR YOUR VARIANCE IT.

LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF ROOM TO PUT IT THERE.

>> I'M PUTTING IT AS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AS I CAN.

IT'S JUST WITHOUT MAKING THE SWIMMING POOL UNUSABLE SKINNY, I REALLY NEED THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE.

>> I UNDERSTAND. YES.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE ZVAR 2021-05

[6. MAJMOD 2021-03 TrailMark Added Land (Six Mile Creek PUD).]

THE THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. ALAIMO, A SECOND BY MS. PERKINS.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

THAT MOST PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

MS. HAGA. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AGENCY MEMBERS. FOR THE RECORD, AND WE CAN FLIP OVER TO THE PRESENTATION SLIDES.

THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LINDSEY HAGUE A I'M A LAND PLANNER AND ENGLAND, THAMES AND MILLER, AND I'D LIKE TO WALK US THROUGH WHAT IS THE THIRD COMPONENT OF A TWRO-PART SERIES THAT WAS APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND THAT'S THE MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE TRAILMARK PUD.

WITH ME TODAY IN THE AUDIENCE IS MR. GREG KERN WITH GREEN POINT AND STACEY RUIES LOSING WITH JEFF CRAMMEN IN OUR OFFICE, AND WE ALL WORK TOGETHER IN THE INITIAL MODIFICATION TO THE DEVELOPMENT REGIONAL IMPACT AND A LARGE SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE WHAT I'M REFERRING TO WHICH WERE APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

I THINK FOR MOST AGENCY MEMBERS, THIS IS FRNL TO US.

IF THOSE ACTIONS WERE TAKEN. THEN FOR OUR TWO NEWER MEMBERS, THIS IS THAT FINAL COMPONENT. SO WHAT HAPPENED IN FEBRUARY IS WE IMMEDIATE NIDE THE LAND USE FOR 71 ACRES TO RESIDENTIAL EXRVMENT AND TACKED ONTO IT A LAND USE THAT TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD CARRY OVER THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FROM THE ST. JOHNS DRI AND SIX MILE CREEK PUD SO WE TBHOFT NOT E ANY ADDITIONAL INCREASE. THIS MAP THAT YOU SEE IS THE OTHER ORSING CHANGE TO THE IMPACT OF, AND THAT MODIFICATION LIKE I CALL WE ANNEXED THOSE LANDS INTO THE DRI AS REPRESENTED ON MAP H OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, AND YOU SEE IT HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN YELLOW. WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING IF WE CONSIDER THIS AS AN ANNEXATION INTO THE THIRD LAYER, WHICH IS THE PUD ZONING. WE ARE ONLY MODIFYING THOSE AREAS THAT ARE OWNED BY GREEN POINT HERE.

WE'RE ADDING IN OUR REFLECTING A CHANGE TO OUR MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN MAP SWHELS THE MDP OR IF MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TEXT, AND WEAR CARRYING ALONG WITH IT A CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT WOULD BE SOME ARCHITECTURAL PROJECTIONS OR PERMITTED PROJECTIONS IN OUR FRONT YARD SETBACK AND THAT APPEARS AS WAIVER IN OUR PUD TEXT AND I CAN GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ABOUT SOME CLEARANCE SHEETS THAT COULD T MUNG UP ON CLEARANCE LANGUAGE.

AS WE GO TRUE THE LAND USE AMENDMENT WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHERE OUR VEHICULAR ACCESS IS THROUGH THE EXISTING SITE NOT OUT TO INDIAN RANCH BRANCH ROAD AND WE ARE VERY CLEAR IN IDENTIFYING THE 35-FOOT DEVELOPMENT AGENCY AS YOU KNOW THE COMPONENT OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN.

THIS PLAN IS TO KIND OF THE GLAM RIDES VERSION OF WHAT IS THE BLACK AND WHITE MAP FOR THE PUD AND IT SHOWS IN TUCKED IN CIEFNT REPRESENTED BY THOSE ORANGE AIRES IS KEY KARAT OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS -- INDICATOR OF WHERE WE HAVE OUR DEVELOPMENT EDGE HIGHLIGHTED THERE NOW POPPING IN FOR THAT BOUNDARY.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKEY WHEN WH WE FILE OUR BLACK-AND-WHITE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT'S THE PRECURSOR THE ANY SUB DWIGHTS PLANS THAT YOU SEE, EVER, AND THAT'S PROJECTING A LYLE POORLY HERE ON THE SCREEN BUT WE HAVE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT SHOWN. THESE ARE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AREAS THAT WOULD BE BLANK. WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR STAFF TO GO

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SO WE TOOK TIME TO WALK THEM THROUGH THE HISTORY OF OUR SITE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT ENS SCWNG SEQUENCING BUT THEY WEE MORE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE GENERALLY IN TRAILL MARK AND WORKING WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

DID I COVER OVER THE COVERED PORCHES AS TURAL ELEMENTS BECAUSE AGAIN THAT DOES PRESENT AS A WAIVER TO YOU IN THIS PUD REQUEST. THIS SLIDE SIMPLY SUMMARIZES EVERYTHING THAT WE WALKED DISPLOORKS AGAIN THIS IS THE THIRD COMPONENT TO SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HEARD EARLIER THIS YEAR, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WEISE MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LATER ON THIS MONTH. AND WITH I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. MILLIONS ARE KERN IS HERE AND

CITY'S AS WELL. >> LET ME ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION.

>> WELL, I DROVE WYE BY THE SE PREVIOUSLY BACK IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, AND I COULDN'T QUITE GET TO IT.

WIN IT UP CHURCH ROAD AND THEN INDIAN BRANCH ROAD.

AND I COULDN'T QUITE SEE THE SITE AND I DROVE AROUND TRAILMARK. I COULDN'T FIND IT.

ANYWAY, DID I DO THAT PREVIOUSLY.

SO FOR WHAT THAT'S WORTH. >> ANY OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATION? IF NOT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS

OF THE APPLICANT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ONE ADDITION. I HAD WORKED WITH CHRISTINE IN YOUR PACKET IS THE TEMPLATE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT.

WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE REFERENCED THE RIGHT ORDINANCE NUMBER, AND SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOWY THAT IT'S CHANGED, IT REFERENCES THE RIGHT 1991 ORDINANCE NUMBER.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

DR. HILSENBECK? >> JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HAD VOTED AGAINST THIS PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT WAS TAKING SILVICULTURAL AG LANDS OUT OF PRODUCTION, SUSTAINABLE USE AND PUTTING IT INTO HOUSING, AND I'LL VOTE AGAINST IT AGAIN, BUT I WANT TO SAY MS. HAGA YOU ALWAYS DO AN EXCELLENT JOB PRESENTING. IT'S VERY CLEAR.

>> THANK YOU. >> AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR

PRESENTATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION OR DO WE

HAVE SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO HAVE SPEAKER CARDS.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD WHEN YOU COME FORWARD. CHRIS FOX.

>> CHRIS FOX SAN ANDREAS. [INAUDIBLE] FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THE ZONE CHANGE WAS DONE UNDER THE RADAR. WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF IT.

IT WAS DONE WHEN COVID WAS -- JUST STARTED AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE OVER A ZOOM MEETING. WE WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OF IT.

THIS BACKS RIGHT UP TO OUR BACKYARD.

SINCE THAT'S BEEN DONE, THE CLEARING THAT THEY'VE DONE HAS CAUSED FLOODING I ON OUR LAND, OUR PARENTS' LAND NEXT DOOR.

WE BOTH OWN 3 ACRES. IT'S OVERFLOWING AND THE CREEKS IS CAUSING EROSION, CAUSING A SECONDARY REEK TO FORM, AND THE ROAD THAT WE'RE TWOONGT PUT IN THAT GOES RIGHT THROUGH PACETTI BASE SWAMP AND MILL CREEK THAT'S CONNECTING ALL OF THIS, EVERYBODY'S WATER GOES TO THIS AREA.

THAT IS WHERE EVERY BIT OF AUTRY WA THAT COMES OFF PACETTI LINE AND ALL THE HOW DOES THAT LINE PACETTI ROAD GO THROUGH THERE.

IT'S GOING TO CASA MAJOR PROBLEM.

SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. I'VE GOT PICTURES, TOO, OF THE FLOODING. WE'VE HAD FLOODING ISSUES SINCE THIS LAST THING. I DIDN'T BRING THEM WITH ME.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER DONE THIS SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, BUT I CAN GET THEM IF YOU NEED THEM.

THAT'S IT. >> THAT'S IT.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFER SOME REBUTTAL, MS. HAGA?

>> YES. THANK YOU, FOR MR. FOX, I BELIEVE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER MODIFICATIONS THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN. THIS ONE IS NOT THAT PROJECT BECAUSE AGAIN WHERE WE ARE LOCATED ON THAT 71 ACRES IS SOUTH, AND SO IF WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THAT MAP, THAT ONE'S TOO ZOOMED IN. LET ME GET BACK TO THE LAND USE REAL QUICKLY. AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ADDING IN NEW ACCESS POINTS. THIS MAYBE WOULD HELP YOU, SIR.

YOU KNOW WHERE S CURB IS ON PACETTI ROAD?

>> ARE YOU TRYING TO CONNECTS THAT TO THE ENTRANCE OF

TRAILMARK? >> NO, SIR.

WE ARE ALREADY CONNECTED TO TRAILMARK.

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WE'RE ALREADY CONNECTED. >> HOW ARE YOU CONNECTED WHEN -- YOU CAN'T EVEN WALK INTO THESE WOODS WITHOUT SINKING TO YOUR KNEES IN MUD. THAT I. IT'S CYPRESS TWAWM U.

SWAMP. IT'S OAK HAMMOCKS.

THIS STUFF SHOULD NOT BE TOUCHED.

IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTED. STHOANDZ THIS AS CONSERVATION SO THAT THEY COULD TEAR THE RESISTS DOWN THAT THEY'VE LARD DONE AND NOW THEY WANT TO DO THIS. THEY PUSHED ALL OF THE WILDLIFE INTO THIS ONE AREA AND NOW THEY WANT TO DPIVMENT THERE'S BEEN FIVE DEER HIT RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE DRIVE BY AND SHOOT DEER IN OUR BACKYARD.

WE HAVE GOT CONSTANT TRAFFIC NOISE.

WE'VE GOTS GOT LIGHTS OUR ON PROPERTY.

WE MOVED OUT THERE BACKED UP TO THIS LAND WITH THE EXPECTATION OF HAVING PRIVACY THAT THIS LAND COULD NEVER BE BUILT ON, AND

HERE WE ARE. >> SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY ACCESS POINTS JUST WHERE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY LOCATED.

YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT TBHOWND RED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THE MARYLAND ADJACENT AREAS THAT HE'S SPEAKING TO, AND WE'RE NOT INCREASING ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS BEYOND THAT SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING ACCESS OR CHANGING THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

>> I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJOR MOD

[7. REZ 2021-12 Content A1A Rezoning]

>> SECOND. >> A SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTE. THAT MOTION PASSES 5-2.

AND NOW WE ARE ON TO ITEM UNU. NUMBER 7, AND WE HAVE A

PRESENTATION BY MR. MILLER >> HOW IS IT GOING TODAY? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> IT'S COLD UP HERE. THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING.

>> I'M HERE TODAY ASKING FOR A REZONE OF SOME CN ZONED PROPERTY ON A1A TO A COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL TO CONFORM WITH THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THERE IN TREASURE BEACH OF RMH SP THERE'S TWO LOTS THAT ARE ADJACENT, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO BE REZONE TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SO IT WILL BE A LESS

INTENSE USE. >> ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?

>> I DID DRIVE BY SITE YESTERDA YESTERDAY.

>> HEARING NO OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, HOW ABOUT QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, WE'RE READY FOR A

MOTION. >> MR. MATOVINA, I'M SORRY.

DID WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM?

>> WE DID NOT. >> FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZ 2021-12 CONTENT A1A REZONING BRAIDS ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF

REPORT. >> SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO, A SECOND BY MR. PETER FOR APPROVAL.

LET'S REGISTER -- IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REG STRER THE VOTE.

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AND TODAY WE ARE PRESENTING A LARGE SCALE LAND USE MAP AND TEXT AMENDMENT FOR OUR TRANSMITTAL HEARING WHICH YOU ALL KNOW AS AGENCY MEMBERS IS PART OF A TWO-PART PROCESS WHEN WE CONSIDER MODIFICATIONS TO THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WITH ME IN THE AUDIENCE WE HAVE OUR TEAM MEMBERS. OUR LANDOWNER LONGTIME LANDOWNER MR. JOE HELOW AND HIS PARTNER KEVIN CRAMER WITH BTI PARTNERS WZ ELLEN AVERY SMITH OF ROGER TOWERS.

WIVES GOT A COLLECTION OF FOLKS DEPENDING ON YOUR QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE FOR TRANSPORTATION, LAND DESIGN, PERMITTING OR ENTITLEMENT WITH JEFF AND MYSELF AND CARL SOLDER HOME.

WE ALSO HAVE BRYAN PEACOCK WITH PEACOCK CONSULTING TO ADDRESS ANY ENVIRONMENT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS ARE TIEWMG TUNING IN WAWCHTION LIVE FROM GTV.

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AND BY WAY OF GIVINGS A PROJECT CLUCKS I'D PRODUCTION.

I'D WALK US TRUE THE LOCATIONAL.

THE SITE PLAN AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, GO THROUGH WHAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS, AGAIN A MAP EXPOOVMENTD A TEXTED AMENDMENT AND THEN WALK THROUGH THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND NOW THIS WHICH IS REQUIRED AT THIS LEVEL OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. SO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION AND OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT, WE WILL OUTLINE AND DEMONSTRATE HOW WE ARE CONSISTENT AND COMPLIANT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I'LL PAUSE TO SAY WE DID PROVIDE YOU HARD THE CHURCHES PRESENTATION. IT'S IF EXACT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS ON THE SCREEN BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO JOT DOWN NOTES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY THAT YOU HAVE.

TO BEGIN OUR LOCATIONAL CONTEXT.

YOU CAN SEE OUR PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT AQUA COLOR, IN THE CENTER THAT LIGHT BLUE, BUT BUN KNEW HAVE OF THE THINGS THAT'S JUMPING OUT RIGHT AWAY T. ON THE MAP IS THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NOTE WORK IN THE NORTHWEST SWERVEGHT ST. JOHN COUNTY. WHEN WE LOOK AT I-95 WHICH BISECTS THE COUNTY SPLITTING US ON THE RIVERSIDE AND GOING TO THE COASTAL SIDE AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR TRAFFIC ROONG THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THIS MAP SHOWS US THE FIRST COAST OUTERBELTWAY WHERE WE CAN SEES THOSE CONNECTIONS THAT ARE COMING IN AND HEMMING IN WHAT WOULD MAKE THE GROWTH PATTERNS, AND FOR THIS AREA OF THE ST. JOHNS ONTARIO, CLAY COUNTY AS WE'RE IN THAT METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA FOR JACKSONVILLE AS WE COMMUTE AND ENJOY THE RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES IN THE CITY OF JACKSON INDUSTRIAL AGAIN WE'RE LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS MAP ALSO HIGHLIGHTS FOR YOU DIFFERENT MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BUILT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WE LIVE IN, THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND FOLKS THAT ARE MOVING INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND REALLY BEGIN THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NETTED WOK IN OUR EMPLOYMENT STLS SPHRPS THIS PROPERTY IS JUST A BLUT OVER 2,000 ACRES GIVES US ALL THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE INTO THIS PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ALREADY SEE HERE EXIST, INC. WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. SO LET'S WRAWK THROUGH WHAT THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS, AND YOU SEE THIS IN THE PACKET AND THE MATERIALS THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WE'RE DIVIDING THE 2,000 ACRES GENERALLY INTO SIX VILLAGES THAT ARE PENNED WITH ACTIVITY ANCHORS, AND WHETHER THAT BE A COMMUNITY PARK OR A SCHOOL SITE OR A CIVIC USE FOR FIRE OR LIBRARY SERVICES OR WHAT YOU MAY HAVE AS IN MANY COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT ARE CONNECTED WITHIN THAT VILLAGE, THOSE ARE THOSE VILLAGE STRASS THAT HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE ROADWAY, TO THE REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK AND ON TO OUR TRAIL NETWORK. THIS REFLECTS THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SEE GENERALLY OVERALL WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR BUT CERTAINLY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR OF GREENBRIER ROAD WEST OF STATE ROAD AND THEN 210 INTO I-95.

THE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM THAT YOU SEE DIVIDE UP INTO THOSE COLOR-CODE VILLAGES IS A TOTAL PROPOSAL OF 3500 HOMES, AND TWR .5 MILLION SQUARE EQUITY OF NON-RESIDENTIAL WHICH GENERALLY WILL PRESENT AS RETAIL AND OFFICE.

THE THE REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK IS AS SHOWN OFFERING CONNECTIONS IN THIS CENTERPIECE THAT WE SEE CONNECTING US TO THE EXISTING PRESERVE AREA. AND I ADD IN THIS ANIMATION BECAUSE WE LEARNED A COUPLE THINGS WHEN WE HAD OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING IN MIL MAY OF HIGHLIGHTING OR MAKING THIS HOW WE CONNECT TO THE EXISTING OFF-SITE GREENWAYS THAT WE SEE.

THAT LARGER AREA THAT YOU SEE IS THE EXISTING PRESERVE.

THAT'S PART OF THAT JEA TRACK. AND HEN THE ON-SITE WETLANDS AND UPLAND COMBINATION THAT WE'VE, WE'RE PROPOSING AS A MINIMUM OF 500 ACRES AS OUR REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK.

YOU SEE IN THIS MAP IT HIGHLIGHTS WHAT ARE SOME SHEDS.

THOSE ARE THE MAKERS WITH THE BINOCULARS THAT OFFER US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE WOULD BE IN THOSE CONNECTIONS FOR THE REGIONAL PRESERVE AS WELL AS WHERE WILDLIFE CROSSINGS ARE ANTICIPATED SO THAT WE CAN CARRY FORWARD THE PRINCIPLES IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN.

GENERALLY, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH OUR PUD ON LAND PLANNING, BUT IVIES MADE IT GIVEN THE LINEAR FRONTAGE OF THE ROADS, ABOUT 20 MILES OF FRAILS AND/OR SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS WOULD BE ONE OF THE DELIVERABLES THAT THE FINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT. SO AGAIN WE'RE LOCATED WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT.

THIS IS WHAT GIFTS US OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES TO HOW WE DEVELOPED THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT YOU SEE, AND GENERALLY WE HAVE TO HONOR AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CHARACTER BEARNT THAT WE SEE WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SPERNGHT WE NEED TO ADDRESS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE CONNECTING OUT, AND YOU CAN START TO SEE HOW OUR PROPERTY WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED THERE IN RED MAKES THOSE CONNECTIONS TO THE BORDERS THAT ARE ADOPTED IN OUR SECTOR PLAN MAP. THEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS MOBILITY, AND THAT'S MORE THAN HOW WE DRIVE WEISE CURRENTLY DRIVE TOWER JOBS. DRIVE TO VISIT FRIENDS OR HOW WE DO RECREATION OR MOVE, MAYBE TAKING SCENIC DRIEFTS THERE.

WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, BIKES AND TRAILS AS WELL AS ADDRESS COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

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WE WILL HAVE GREENWAYS AND THE SCENIC EDGES AND DEVELOPMENT THANKS WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH. THAT'S PART OF WHAT'S BUILT INTO THE TEXAS POLICY WE'RE DRESSING AND RESERVING A SCHOOL SITE AND CIVIC USES SITE, AND EACH OF THE VILLAGERS CREATED OR BOUND ON THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PROIRVETIONZ FOR HOW WE SHOULD CREATE THESE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY AND BLOCKS.

SO THE NEXT COMPONENT IS TO WALK US, WHAT ARE WE DOING? WE'RE MODIFYING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE AS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP WITH OUR AREA SHOWN IN YELLOW. YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT RED LINE, AND IN SOME CASES IT CARRIES OVER OR IT'S COINCIDENT WITH OUR YELLOW BOUNDARY. THIS REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY LINE. THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE WALK THROUGH CONSISTENCY WITH THOSE POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT GIVES US THOSE GUIDELINE FOR HOW WE ADDRESS CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS EBB EXTENSIONS OF BEING ADJACENT AND CONTIGUOUS TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

YOU CAN SEE HOW WE'RE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN, IT'S THIS ENCLAVE SURROUND BY THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY THAT HAS BEEN ENCROACHED UPON AS DEVELOPMENT HAS MOVED IN FROM THE WEST ALONG STATE ROAD 13 COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH AND MOVING IN FROM THE EAST ALONG 95.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT BOUNDARY HAS BEEN CREATED.

I DO REFERENCE THIS AGRICULTURE ENCLAVE WHICH IS A STATUTORY PROVISION THAT GIVES US THE PRESUMPTION OF NOT CREATING SPRAWL WHEN CERTAIN CONDITIONS ARE MET.

WE DO EXCEED OUR BOUNDARY 90% OF OUR BOUNDARY IS SURROUNDED BY LAND USES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND OF THAT 90%, 40% OF THAT SITE IS IN SOME BUILT COMPONENT, AND YOU SEE THAT THROUGH THAT AERIAL HIGHLIGHT.

YOU'RE SEEING LOTS OR CLEAFERG THOSE LOTS, AND SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S WITHIN THAT AREA.

SO AGAIN, REALLY THAT'S TO SHOW THAT THIS IS A LEFTOVER INFILL PIECE THAT'S BEEN NIPPED AT AT THE EDGES.

IT'S COMING IN, AND WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN FOR IT HOLISTICALLY AND COMPLETE THAT COMPONENT HERE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR. SO WHAT DOES THAT PLAN? HERE'S THE PROPOSED COLORS AND YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE THAT.

IT CHANGED CHIEFLY FROM RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USE.

THERE IS A SMALL COMPONENT HE'S ALREADY DESIGNATED MIX USE AT THAT INTERSECTION OF ROBERT ROAD AND LONG LEAF JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION WITH GREEN BRIAR, BUT THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY WOULD CHANGE FROM RURAL SILVER CIEWRVEL IN RESIDENTIAL B, RESIDENTIAL C AND D AND THEN MIXED USE.

SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE OUTER BOUNDARIES AND THAT REFLECTS THE PROPOSED VILLAGES THAT YOU SEE TO THE PLAN.

IT AGAIN ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY.

WE DO HAVE COMPLEMENTARY LAND USES.

WE ARE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE USES REFLECTING WHAT WE HAVE AS EITHER COLLECTOR ROADWAYS, MARILYN ARTERIAL ROADWAYS AND THE PLACEMENT OF THOSE LAND USES THAT WE ARE ADJACENT TO OTHER CATEGORIES OF SIMILAR RESIDENTIAL B OR C. WE DO BUCKLE THIS IN WITH A TEXT POLICY BECAUSE ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THAT RESIDENTIAL B WOULD ALLOW AS YOU YOU DENSITY OF TWO DWELLING UNITS TO THE PEARNG ACRES.

THE NEXT IS RESIDENTIAL C WHICH GIFTS YOU SIX UNITS TO THE ACRE. SIX IS TOO MUCH, TWO IS TOOMGHTS. RATHER THAN CREATING I NEW LAND USE CATEGORY, WE OFFER THEN A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF UNITS SO THAT WE AVERAGE OUT JUST OVER 2.3, AS YOU LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, THE ENTITLEMENT PIECE, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE AS WE TALK ABOUT DENSITY AND CHARACTER. AND AGAIN ONE OF THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN IS THAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTER THAT WE SEE.

SO I KNOW THAT'S A LOT TEXT THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE BUT THIS IS TYPICAL AND I THINK YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR STAFF WORT BUT WHAT DID THUS IS SETS THE PROPOSED INTENSITY AND DENSITY FOR BOTH 2.5 MILLION OF NON-RESIDENTIAL AND THE 3500 UNITS.

IT ALSO SPECIFIES THAT THE MIXED USE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT WE SEE WILL NOT HAVE WITH IT HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, INDUSTRIAL USES, AND IS FOREGOING SOME OF THE AUTOMATICAL FLOWRNSES YOUR USE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN MIXED USE WHICH IS INVENTIONAL BY MR. HELOW, THAT THE PROPERTY, THE USES THAT WE SEE REFLECT WHAT'S NEEDED IN THE MARKET, AND FOR NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND WE STAY OFF OF THOSE HIEWSES THAT WERE OTHERWISE BE WHOLLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE MIX HURE OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USES THAT THE MIXED USE PURPLE LAND USE CATEGORY WOULD PROVIDE.

SOME OF THE OTHER PROVISIONS OF THE THEN TWHRIEWKS THE SCENIC AND DEVELOPMENT EDGES SO IT'S MADE CLEAR FOR ORVE HOW THIS SITE WOULD DEVELOP AND CERTAINLY GIVES OUR RECIPE, IF YOU WILL, FOR FLAND UNIT DEVELOPMENT. AND LASTLY, YOU SEE THAT WE'RE BINDING OURSELVES SO THAT WE SHOW WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 500 ACRES FOR OUR REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK, AND AGAIN THAT'S THE MINIMUM OF IT, AND WE'LL FOLLOW ALONG PERMITTING BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HELPS GIVE US THE LINE OF WHAT WOULD BE OUR PRESERVE AREA. SOME OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS AS

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THE NORTHERN PORTION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ANTICIPATED TO ATTRACT A LARGE COMPONENT OF THAT, AND WHAT THEY'RE FINDING IS, IS THAT THE CURRENT CAPACITY TWHOAS ARE THE APPROVED UNITS BOTH UNITS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE IS INSUFFICIENT TO MEET THIS DEMAND THAT'S SHOWN IN THE MARKET REPORT.

ALSO, THE MARKETPLACE TRENDS ARE CERTAIN FIELDS THAT ARE TARGETED IN THIS AREA AND LOGISTICS, FREIGHT AND OFFICE, WHICH AGAIN THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF USES OF OAFS THAT ARE PROPOSED WUNTD THE MIXED USE POLICY. SO TO RECAPTURE THE GAI REPORT, THIS IS SPECIFIC TABLE, TABLE 4.6 OUT OF THAT REPORT WHERE THEY ANALYZE ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OF REGIONAL IMPACT THERE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF ST. JONES COUNTY LISTING OUT THE ACREAGE SIZE AND LISTING OUT THE APPROVED UNITS TO GIVE I A PERCENTAGE MAPLING OF -- PERCENT RACHELLEING TO BE BUILT, AND EVEN WITH THAT ALLOCATED THIS IS ATLAS DEMAND OR NEED FOR ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT GOES BEYOND THAT 130, AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD PROVIDE 3500 HOMES TO MEET THAT NEED AND 2.5 MILLION TO MEET THE COMMERCIAL SPACE NEEDS.

SO LET'S GET INTO FUMBLE INFRASTRUCTURE ANNAL SPIPS AGAIN WE'RE AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LEVEL OF CHANGING THE COLORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND IS THE GUIDELINES WOULD PROVIDE FOR US, LET'S ANALYZE YOUR MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL P SO WE LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE OUR WATER AND SEWER AND REUSE CAPACITY. THE APPLICATION GIVES THAT.

WE HAVE WITH A QUOARCHTION LETTER OF SURFERSABILITY AND WE WILL RE-ENGINEER TO THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE UTILITY SERVICES FOR AN AGREEMENT TO WORK THROUGH YOUR GIEN DESIGN FOR DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE CONFIRMATION OF HAVING CAPACITY FOR SOLID WASTE THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE GENERATED FROM THE SITE. AND REGARDING CIVIC USES, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED THERE POPPED UP IN RED WOULD BE A PROPOSED SIFG USE SIGHT IN THE ROBERT VILLAGE, ROBERT ROAD VIJAY SINGH, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD BE -- VILLAGE, I'M USE POPPING IT OUT SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT'S LOCATED BY ROBERTS, FIRE SERVICE, SHERIFF, EMS, LIBRARY. SOME CIVIC USE FORE THAT ROBERT ROAD CORRIDOR, CONNECTING IN AND ADDRESSING THAT ASPECT FOR THE COUNTY'S DELIVERABLES. THE NEXT PORTION TO WORK ON IS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD VERY GOOD, TWO CONVERSATIONS, HEALTHY MEETINGS WITH NICOLE AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE A LETTER WITHIN OUR RECORD THAT AS YOU KNOW AT THIS THE POINT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FILE OUR SCHOOL CONCURRENCY APPLICATION. IT'S A MATTER OF SEQUENCING.

AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN REVIEW. BUT WE HAVE RESERVED OVER A 30-ACRE SITE HERE JUST POPPED UP YOU CAN SEE IN THE GREENBRIER VILLAGE AREA THAT THEY'VE LOOKED AT SO THAT WE CAN EITHER MEET A K-8 PROTOTYPE SCHOOL FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR ANALYSIS DICTATES FOURS. BUT THE EXIENT IS THAT SHE SHAS DEMONSTRATED THAT WE'RE RESERVING THAT PLAN SITE ANDS THEY LOOK FOR SITE PLANS FOR ADOPTION SCHOOL SITES.

REGARDING RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE, WE ALSO MET WITH THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE CAN GO OVER, AND ON THE EASTERN -- THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THIS, IS THE EXISTING 63-ACRE PARK THAT THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNS, REALLY IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, THE COUNTY IS LAND-RICH WITH REGARDS TO THE PARK ACREAGE BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS IMPLEMENTING OR CONSTRUCTING TH% FACILITIES ON THOSE PROPERTIES, AND SO THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE HOW ARE ADJACENT BRIDAL VILLAGE, WE CAN ADVANCE ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY AND WE CAN ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO FUNDING OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT THERE TO ACTIVATE THIS REGIONAL PARK SITE. SO THAT JUST POPS OUT FOR YOU TO SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS, THE 63 ACRES, AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO ACCELERATE WHAT'S BEEN A LONG LAND HOLDING FOR S. JOHNS COUNTY THE IN PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO ACTIVATE THAT ALREADY P THE FINAL COMPONENT OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHEN WE GET INTO ANY OF THE PROJECTS, IS AGAIN ROADWAY AND ROADWAY CAPACITY.

SO WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LEVEL YOU'LL SEE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS REPORT, WE'VE CONDUCTED TWO VERSIONS ANALYSIS TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR PROJECT FITS INTO THE EXISTING ST. JOHNS COUNTY REGIONAL ROAD WAUGH NETWORK.

THE FIRST IS THE MODELING EFFORT THAT LOOKS AT THE REGIONAL ROADWAYS RIGHT NOW TO TRY UNDERSTAND TO WHAT IS THE TRAFFIC CAPACITY ON THE ROADWAY, AND THEN WE ADD IN OUR LAND USE TO SEE IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE

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THE SECOND TYPE OF ANALYSIS IS TO DO CONDITION COUNCILLOR I BASED ANALYSIS WHERE YOU GET VERY SPECIFIC.

WEE ALL KNOW THE COUNTY ADOPTED A POLICY WHERE WE FOCUS ON THAT MITIGATION OF RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT BECAUSE WE'RE INCENTIVIZING THE USE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. TO THAT POINT, THAT'S HOW WE WOULD ARRIVE THE OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF OUR PROBABLY TULIPS TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAYS TO CAPACITY THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE. AND TO THAT ESTIMATE THAT YOU SEE WITHIN YOUR TRAFFIC REPORT, OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS ESTIMATED AT ABOUT $21 MILLION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF OUR PROJECT, AND THE IMPACT FEES THAT ARE ESTIMATED FROM THE UNITS COULD EXCEED THAT AND THEY'RE ESTIMATED AT $28 MILLION. SO OUR FROM PORTION AT SHARE OULD GO TO ANY OF TY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE COUNTY SLEBLGHTS TO ACCELERATE WITHIN THAT 4-MILE RADIUS, AND WE KNOW LATER THAT OUR EXPECTED IMPACT FEES FROM JUST RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALONE WOULD EXCEED WHAT WE PAY OUT IN PROPORTIONATE SHARE.

ALL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND PART OF WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING. WE GOT INTO SOME DETAILS QUESTIONS IN OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND WITH A WANTED TO ANIMATE THERE IS JUST TO SHOW OUR PROJECT IS CONSIDERED, I THINK OF US AS THE HUB OF THE WHEEL AND THE OTHER ROADWAYS ARE THE SPOKES TO THAT WHEEL AND THESE ARE THE WEB, THE INTERCONNECTIONS WE HAVE. WE'RE CHANGED BY TELLING OR DPILG IN THIS INY FILL PIECE HERE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

WE CHANGED THOSE COMMUTER PATTERNS, THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS WITHIN THIS AREA REALLY WITH THAT COMBINATION AND MIXED OF USES THAT YOU SEE BETWEEN 3500 UNITS AND 2 FNT .5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL. IT'S WORTH JUST WALKING THROUGH TRACK OF IMPACT ASSESSMENTS, WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THEY'RE NOT. AGAIN L. WE GENERALLY NO ROADWAY PROJECTS, WE LOOK AT THEM, THEY'RE SCRD FOR CERTAINLY TROOSSMENTS CH IMPROVEMENT. THERE ARE A LEVEL HAVE SERVICE ASSIGNED TO THEM. COUNTY FUNDING GOES TO IMPROVE THOSE ASSESSMENTS. WE LOOK AT OUR FAIR SHARE OF TRIPS ON THOSE ROAD WADE NETWORKS TO LOOK THE OUR PROJECT -- IN THOUGH THAT AREA. OF COURSE ON TOTAL ROADWAY CONNECTIONS WE GET THE PACIFIER THAT OF INTERNAL GENERATION TRIP RATE. THAT'S THAT IMPORTANT NOTE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE MIX OF USES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE PROJECT AND THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE USES.

ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE ARE WHERE WE ARE AGAIN WE'RE UPSTREAM.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GO THROUGH OUR TRANSMITTAL HEARING, TO SEND OUT OUR AMENDMENT TO THE STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES FOR REVIEW, AND THAT'S WE'RE COLLECTING ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MOVE TO THAT NEXT STEP TO SOLICITS THEIR INPUT. WE CAN'T SOLICIT THEIR INPUT UNLESS WE TRANSFER IT FROM THE COUNTY.

THAT'S THAT BUBBLE. WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS. WE'RE HERE TODAY AS ONE OF THE TWO HEARINGS TO TRANSMIT. ONCE WE TRANSMIT, THEN WE ARE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO FILE FOR OUR CONS CURRENCY ANALYSIS WHERE SOME OF THE MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT ROADWAYS THAT YOU MAYBE SNEET PUBLIC COMMENT OVER HERE CAN BE ANSWERED, WE CAN LOOK FORWARD AND START TO SOLIDIFY WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF AND WHAT WOULD BE THOSE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FILE UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO TRANSMIT.

OUR INITIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT LDTA REPORT DOES GIVE YOU A PREVIEW INTO THAT LOOK. ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO DO OUR ANALYSIS, THEN, AND WE CAN FILE OUR PUD, WE COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMUNITY AND THEN BEFORE YOU AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AMENDMENT AND THAT PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT TOGETHER.

HAT THANK POINT WHEN WE ADOPT THE EXRECH PLAN AMENDMENT WE ARE NOW LEGALLY ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR OUR SCHOOL CON DINNERS DETERMINATION. AGAIN THAT'S AN ISSUE OF SEQUENCING AND WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PERMITTING QUEUE.

AND THEN EVERYTHING COMES BACK TOGETHER FOR OUR PUD AND OUR COMP SHARE. WE WERE THOUGHT THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THIS PROCESS OF WHERE WUR, THERE'S A DESIRE TO HAVE REALLY SPECIFIC DETAILED INFORMATION THAT WE DO PROVIDE IN SOME SENSE, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT OTHER INFORMATION QUOAN FIRMED UPON FILING.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE THE LETTER FRLT SCHOOL BOARD THAT DOES ACKNOWLEDGE OUR DETAILED AND UP FRONT PLANNING AND OUR RESERVATION OF PLANNED, BUT WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE IS WHICH SCHOOL WILL IT, WHAT IS YOUR CAPACITY 1 WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS.

AND SO THIS KIND OF TIMELINE EXPLAINS WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WHY IT'S ROW. THAT THE THAT WE CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH ON THE TRANSMITTAL PROCESS.

SO QUICKLY I'LL JUST SUMMARIZE WITH A COUPLE, TWO MORE SLIDES GIVING YOU THE HIGH POINT OF OUR NORTHWEST SECTOR MEETING.

WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD THIS ELGD MEETING THE END OF THE PANDEMIC BOTH IN-PERSON AND VIRTUALLY BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF ON THAT CUSP AND HELD ON IT SWIRTSER LAND COMMUNITY SEARCH -- STWIRTSZ HANDLED IN MID-MAY AND WE HAD HEALTHY ATTENDANCE, IN PERSON AND THAT WE HAD ON CALL-IN.

WE GAVE GENERALLY THE SAME FRETION THAT YOU SEE HERE, AND THEN WE HAD A GREAT QUESTION-AND-ANSWER KIND OF

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WHAT ARE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE? VETERINARIANS PARKWAY PROPOSES BEING FOUR LANES.

IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN 2023.

SOME OF THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT THE EXTERNAL ROADWAY, AGAIN TRYING TO GIEF INTO SCHOOL CAPACITY.

DR. MCCORMICK CAN ADDRESS THIS ABOUT HOW YOU REALLY ADDRESS REZONE OF KIDS AND WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO LET A BOND GO FROM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SCHOOL, RESOURCES.

AND THEN ANALYZING OUR REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK.

AND THEN SOME COMPONENTS ABOUT CHANGING LAND USE CATEGORIES JUST FROM THAT GENERAL MIXED USE THAT YOU SEE TO MAYBE LOOKING AT A QUILT, IF YOU WILL, OF BREAKING OUT DIFFERENT LAND USE COLORS. AND THEN A DESIRE TO SAY, HEY, YOUR PLANNER TYPE, LET'S HAVE A COUPLE MORE WHAT I CALL MANY CHARRETTES OR COLLABORATIONS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WHEN WE FILE FOR THE PUD SO THAT WE CAN LAY OUT THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND CITIZENS CAN HELP LOOK TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. SO THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OF WHAT WE HAD DONE. E. IT WAS A SEVERAL-HOUR COMMUNITY MEETING. THERE'S A VIDEO OUT IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME OF OUR ATTENDEES FROM THAT MEETING HERE WITH US TODAY.

SO IN SUMMARY I'D LIKE TO END WITH AGAIN OUR PROGRAM AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU AS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND TEXTED AMENDMENT. AGAIN THIS IS OUR EXCEL CHEWER PLAN. OUR PROGRAM IS 3500 HOMES, 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL.

OUR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS BEEN MITIGATED.

WE MAKE FOR A LOGIC L. LOGICAL EXTENSION OF FILLING IN WHAT IS THE REMNANT MEARS OF 2,000 ACRES IN THE NORTHWEST SPERNGHT WE'RE HOLDING BACK REGIONAL PRESERVE NETWORK AT A MINIMUM OF 500 ACRES. WE'RE ADDRESSING SCHOOLS WITH SPIECHTS AND WE'RE ACTIVATING THAT REGIONAL PARK AS THE PUBLIC GEFNT HERE AND OUR TRANSMITTAL FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THIS, SO WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR A TRANSMITTAL, LOOKING FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, AND WE'LL GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LATER IN JULY, AND THEN AFTER THAT THE REGIONAL REVIEW, THE COUNTY WILL TRANSMIT THE AMENDMENT OUT FOR STATE AND REGIONAL REVIEW, AND THEN WE ANTICIPATE TO HOLD OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THEN COME BACK IN AND SEE YOU AGAIN MAYBE IN LATE FALL WITH THOSE ADOPTION HEARINGS SO WE CAN GET ALL THE DETAILS TOGETHER. I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE MATERIAL ON IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF BOARD MAYBE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANY OF THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS AS WELL. WE'RE READY.

>> ALL RIGHT. EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS TO

DECLARE? >> THIS IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. DO WE DECLARE EX PARTE FOR COMP

PLAN? >> WE DON'T NEED ANY.

THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE I HAVE HAD SOME,

BUT -- >> YOU'RE RIGHT.

THANK YOU. SO NOW WE MOVE INTO QUESTIONS.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> OKAY.

THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, AND I EXPECTED IT, AND HERE'S ANOTHER PART OF YOUR TEAM ALWAYS READY WITH ANSWERS.

AND YOU MENTIONED THE HUB OF THE WHEEL.

THIS IS REALLY THE HUB OF THE WHEEL.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HUB OF THE WHEEL OF NEW YORK CITY IS?

>> WHAT IS THE HUB OF THE WHEEL OF NEW YORK CITY,

DR. HILSENBECK? >> IT'S CALLED CENTRAL PARK.

A PARK WOULD BE GREAT HERE, IN IN MY OPINION, BUT THAT'S UP TO THE LANDOWNER. THIS IS, AS YOU NOTED, THIS PROPERTY IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY, CURRENT DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY THAT THE COUNTY HAS SET SO THAT'S WEIGHING HEAVILY ON MY DECISION, SO YOU DID CONFIRM THAT.

AND I AM GLAD WE HAD A RESTROOM BREAK BECAUSE HAVE A FAIRLY LENGTHY STATEMENT THAT I HAVE PREPARED HERE.

>> AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT, BUT GOING TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, THE REASON THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IT HAS A

RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USE. >> THAT WAS MY NEXT POINT.

>> YES. AND WE ARE ASKING, BECAUSE IT IS SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES BY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY, CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BOUNDARY GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE MAP CHANGES THAT

WE'RE REQUESTING. >> RIGHT.

>> AND JUSTIFICATION, AGAIN AS MS. HAGA MENTION EARLIER IT IS TRULY AN AGRICULTURAL ENCLAVE UNCHAPTER 163 OF FLORIDA

STATUTE. >> IT IS INDEED INDEED, AND I DID READ THE CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I WANTED TO START BY SAYING, YES, THIS IS RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND, AND THERE IS A CAVEAT IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ABOUT A PREFERENCE NOT TO PLACE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND, AND I

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I'M THE ORIGINAL KIND OF CONSERVATIVE IN THIS COUNTRY, AND I WORKED IN THAT FIELD FOR YEARS.

BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I LIKE AGRICULTURE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I THINK WE NEED TO SEEK A BALANCE BETWEEN AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY.

AGRICULTURE IS A SUSTAINABLE TYPE OF USE OF THE LAND, CAN CONTINUE INDEFINITELY. DEVELOPMENT CANNOT.

I'VE MADE MANY OF THESE POINTS BEFORE ON OTHER ITEMS, BUT AGRICULTURE IS OUR SECOND LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO THE ECONOMY OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA BEHIND TOURISM.

AND YA'LL DON'T NEED TO STAND UP HERE FOR MY WHOLE SPIEL HERE, BUT IN ANY EVENT, I'M ALSO A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T LIKE RADICAL CHANGE, AND I SEE THIS IS RADICAL CHANGE, AND I ALSO DON'T LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE.

AND WHEN YOU GO INTO AN AREA THAT'S IN SILVICULTURE, SUSTAINABLE USE, AND YOU OBITUARY CUT A LOT OF IT -- AND YOU CLEAR-CUT A LOT OF IT, PUT HOMES IN THERE, YOU ARE EXACERBATING CHIEMENT CHANGE. TREES AND OTHER PLANTS TAKE IN CARBON DIOXIDE, ONE OF THE MAJOR GREENHOUSE GASSES, AND THEY CONFORM THAT INTO A FORM THAT IS NOT HARMFUL TO HUMANITIES.

IT'S CELLULOSE AND OTHER SUGARS.

SO AND TREES AND MORE HOR PLANTS GO OFF OXYGEN THROUGH PHOTOSYNTHESIS. THAT'S OUR ONLY NATURAL SOURCE OF OXYGEN ON THIS PLANET. SO I AM REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT TEMPERATURE RISE CONCOMITANTLY WITH SEA LEVEL RISE.

I KNOW THIS IS ON A MICRO SCALE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY BUT IT'S STILL A CONTRIBUTOR GLOBALLY TO THESE KINDS OF THINGS.

PEOPLE WONDER WHY, AND I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, THINGS LIKE LUMBER PRICES AND OTHER MATERIALS, THEIR PRICES ARE SOARING. IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE CUTTING DOWN AND PAVING OVER SILVICULTURAL LANDS.

SO THE PRICES ARE GOING TO GO UP.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE 3500 NEW HOMES, I THINK THAT'S HALF THE SIZE BASICALLY OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN THE CITY LIMITS OF SANTIAGO.

THAT'S HALF THE NUMBER OF -- ST. AUGUSTINE.

THAT IS HALF THE NUMBER OF HOMES.

THIS IS A WHOLE BRAND NEW CITY BASICALLY OUT THERE.

PLUS IT'S GOT BASICALLY TOWN CENTER AMENITIES ASSOCIATED WOULD IT, BASICALLY OUTSIDE RIGHT BY THE CITY LIKE WHERE WE'RE SITTING, SO THAT'S HUGE. IF THIS GETS APPROVED, AND I FEEL CERTAIN IT WILL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ABOUT 63,000 APPROVED BUT UNBUILT HOMES ON THE BOOKS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

63,000 NEW HOMES. THAT'S PRETTY ASTOUNDING TO ME.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF CURRENT RESIDENTS. THERE ARE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, CONGESTION CONCERNS. I NOTED IN SOME OF THE PRESENTATION, WITHOUT STEALING THE THUNDER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK, AND EVERYONE RECEIVED THESE PRESENTATIONS SENT OUT, THRUT THERE THEE 20 ROAD SEGMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS.

20 ROAD SEGMENTS. THAT'S PRETTY ASTOUNDING.

I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT CONCURRENCY AND HOW MUCH MONEY THAT'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THOSE ROADS ARE GOING TO COST, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE COUNTY CAN AFFORD THAT KIND OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK WE NEED A MORE DEFINITIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. I KNOW YOU SAID AFTER IT'S APPROVED IN TALLAHASSEE, ALL THE AGENCIES SIGN OFF.

THEN YOU REALLY START DIGGING INTO -- OR AFTER THIS YOU DIG INTO YOUR CONCURRENCY CONCERNS, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN WITHOUT MORE DETAIL HERE. YOU KNOW, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS REALLY HAD THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS IN MY OPINION, AND THAT'S ONE REASON I NOW LIVE HERE, IS WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY, REALLY HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE. WE HAVE GREAT NEIGHBORHOODS, BEST SCHOOL SYSTEM IN THE STATE, VERY HIGH TAX BASE, ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR NOW, YET WE'RE CLOSE TO A MAJOR METROPOLITAN AREA THAT HAS WORLD CLASS HEALTH FACILITIES, NOT THAT FLAGLER HOSPITAL ISN'T GREAT, FRANKLY I THINK THEY ARE EXCELLENT, BUT WORLD RENOWNED HEALTH FACILITIES, GOT PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM UP THERE, GOT GREAT SHOPPING IF YOU'RE INTO SHOPPING, ALL THESE THINGS.

BUT IT SEEMS TO ME, LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTY AND IS CONTINUING TO HAPPEN, THAT WE ARE RUSHING HEADLONG

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SO WE HAD -- THIS WAS A NICE SUBURBAN AREA WITH A COUPLE OF TOWN CENTER AREAS LIKE ST. AUGUSTINE AND SO FORTH, AND NOW WE'RE JUST BUILDING IT OUT, PAVING IT OVER.

IT'S STATED IN ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS YOU MADE HERE -- I STOLE THESE NUMBERS -- THERE'S BEEN 340% GROWTH OF RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA IN S. JOHNS COUNTY IN RECENT YEARS.

SIDE THAT'S PRETTY HIGH GROWTH. THERE ARE NEARLY 26,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS APPROVED RIGHT AROUND THIS, THE ADJACENT LAND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT'S RIGHT AROUND THIS, 26,000 UNITS APPROVED. ONLY ABOUT 52154 BUILT, AND HE'S THE AREA BOUND BY THE S. JOHNS RIVER, I-95, STATE RACE TRACK ROAD THAT YOUR ALL FAMILIAR WITH.

THE AVERAGE I. HIGH SCHOOL IN THIS COUNTY FROM MY OWN CALCULATIONS IS ABOUT MAYBE 2200.

MENENDEZ IS LESS. ST. AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL IS LESS. BARTRAM HIGH, SO FORTH, QULIEWF GOT OTHERS SO IT'S ABOUT 2200. THIS IS GOING TO POSSIBLY CREATE A NEED FOR ANOTHER NEW HIGH SCHOOL, THIS COMMUNITY WITH THIS MANY HOMES, AND I KNOW THIS COMMUNITY WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. YOU'VE GOT A K-8 SITE DEDICATED, BUT NOT A HIGH SCHOOL SITE. I KNOW THAT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND ALL THAT, BUT A BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL, IF IT WERE TO REQUIRE THAT, $60 MILLION WAS THE LAST HIGH SCHOOL BEING BUILT. THAT IS A LOT OF CASH THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO COME UP WITH. RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS A PERSONAL NOTE, BUT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS ON NATIONAL NEWS AS WELL, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET PARTS FOR THINGS.

MY POOL PUMP IS OUT RIGHT NOW. I CAN'T GET IT FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS, MAYBE A YEAR, BECAUSE THEY SAID, AND THIS IS TRUE WITH AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND OTHER APPLIANCES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT ARE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE NOW SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS GO ON THE FRITZ? YOU'VE GOT TO REPLACE THEM BUT YOU'VE GOT A HUGE DEMAND THROUGH NEW RESIDENTIAL.

THAT IMPACTS OUR QUHAWFT LIFE. SO I AM CONCERN -- QUALITY OF LIFE. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

YOU KNOW, THE TOP SCHOOL I DISTRICTS, I MEANT TO MENTION THIS, JUST GIVE YOU THE TOP FIVE DULEY DISTRICTS IN THE STATE.

ST. JOHNS ONTARIO IS NUMBER ONE.

SARASOTA NUMBER 2. OKALOOSA COUNTY NUMBER THREE.

SEMINOLE, FOUR, MARTIN COUNTY FIVE.

SO MOST OF THOSE COUNTIES, SARASOTA IS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN SEMINAL IN TERMS OF POPULATION BUT THOSE ARE COUNTIES THAT ARE REALLY NEXT TO A LARGE URBAN AREA.

THEY'RE A SUBURBAN TYPE COMMUNITY BUT YET THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO AN URBAN COMMUNITY. ST. JOHNS FITS THAT PERFECTLY BEING RIGHT NEXT TO JACKSONVILLE, DUVAL COUNTY.

SO I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY NUMBER ONE, KEEP IT HIGH, BUT WITH ALL THE GROWTH, I'M NOT SURE. I'M ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH, AND I KNOW YOU'LL ARE SICK OF THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW. 2.5MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SEEMS EXCESSIVE TO HAND OUT THAT KIND OF ENTITLEMENT. I WAS ASTOUNDED TO LEARN IN SOME OF THESE PRESENTATIONS -- I ASSUME THESE FACTS ARE CORRECT -- ST. JOHNS COUNTY TOWN CENTER OR THE DOWN CENTER IS 1.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET, AND SQUARE FEET.KING FOR 2.5 MILLIO- WHEN THERE'S NEARLY 10 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE SURROUNDING LANDS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT THAT'S UNBUILT, 9.9 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL ALREADY OUT THERE, BUT UNBUILT RIGHT AROUND YOU. SO THIS AREA WOULDN'T BE NEAR ANY MAJOR ROADWAYS. FIRST COAST PARKWAY SURE IS COMING. I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT COULD COME PDOT IS ALWAYS BEHIND SCHEDULE. WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT'LL HAPPEN.

IT'S CALCULATED MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL OR AT LEAST HALF THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS SEVEN MILES AWAY FROM A MAJOR ROAD SYSTEM LIKE 9B OR I-95 SO THAT IS A CONCERN WITH ALL THE TRAFFIC.

YOUR OWN MARKET ANALYSIS, AND YA'LL HAVE A GREAT TEAM, I MEAN, YA'LL ARE A FORMIDABLE TEAM AND YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS IN THIS COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN WELL SERVED THE COUNTY, BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOUR OWN MARKET ANALYSIS SHOWS MOST OF THE JOBS YOU'RE GOING TO CREATOR SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY LOWER-PAYING JOBS.

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I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OFFICE SPACE IS GOING TO BE UTILIZABLE IN THE FUTURE. WE HAVE HAD MAJOR PANDEMIC, THAT WE'RE JUST COMING OUT OF. PEOPLE LIKE WORKING FROM HOME.

WE'VE HAD SOCIOECONOMIC CHANGES.

PEOPLE CAN TELECOMMUTE. PEOPLE DO LIKE TO WORK FROM HOME. SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE A BUNCH EMPTY OFFICE SPACE ENTITLEMENTS GIVEN OUT, AND THEY'RE GOING TO JUST SIT THERE FOR YEARS, AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY CAME BACK WITH ONE OF THE THESE FOR RACE TRACK ROAD, DURBIN CROSSING I BELIEVE A FEW MONTHS BACK AND I DON'T WANT TO GET PERSONAL HERE -- I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO -- BUT CHANGING OUT SOME COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS FOR MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO I JUST THINK THAT WE COULD BE BEING SET UP FOR THAT. SO THERE ARE CHANGES AFOOT IN OUR SOCIETY. IT'S NOT ALWAYS HIGH-PAYING JOBS. THERE WAS A SUGGESTION IN ONE OF THE EMAIL WE RECEIVED, AND I REALLY LIKED IT, IT SAYS THAT WE, THE PZA, SHOULD PERHAPS WAIT UNTIL SILVER LEAF, ICI MIDDLE BORNE, SHEARWATER, RIVER TOWN, GREENBRIER DOWNS, ET CETERA, GET AT LEAST 50% BUILT OUT TO THEN REALLY BE ABLE TO ASSESS TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND NEEDS AT THAT POINT IN TIME WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE.

SO THAT IS REALLY GOING TO IMPACT RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA.

THERE WAS A GREAT ANALOGY MADE TO BLANDING BOULEVARD, THE VETERINARIANS PARKWAY COULD BECOME -- VETERANS PAIRK COULD BECOME LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD. WHO WANTS THAT? I PERSONALLY DON'T. WE HAVE GOT ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. THE HEADWATERS TROUT CREEK.

YOU'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THAT DEEP CYPRESS FLOODPLAIN SYSTEM.

THAT IS A MAJOR TRIBUTARY TOTE ST. JOHNS RIVER.

IT GOES RIGHT THERE. I'M SUREUR YOU HAVE SIGN IT BY THAT TROUT CREEK PRARK THAT MR. REASONED RINGHAVER GENEROUSLY ALLOWED THE CONFEDERATE MONUMENTS FROM THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE SQUARE TO BE MOVED OUT THERE.

I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE ANY DETRIMENT TO TROUT CREEK IN TERMS OF WATER LOSS, POLLUTION, ET CETERA.

JEA, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, AND IT'S HEARSAY BUT IT'S IN ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT WAS WRITTEN TO US, JEA IS SENDING OUT LETTERS NOW TO SOME RESIDENTS OR MEELTS SAYING THAT -- EMAILS SAYING WE'RE REALLY SORRY ABOUT YOUR LOW WATER PRESSURE BUT IT'S BEEN REALLY DRY AND YOU'VE GOT TO CONSERVE WATER.

WELL, MAY IS ONE OF OUR DRIEST MONTHS BEFORE THE RAIN STARTED IN JUNE LIKE WE'VE JUST BEEN HAVING NOW HERE ON JUNE 3RD.

SO ARE THINGS GETTING WORSE IN TERMS OF WATER SUPPLY? IN THAT AREA? SO TO ME I'M WRAPPING UP HERE, DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S BEEN ADEQUATE PLANNING OR CONSIDERATION. THERE'S BEEN ONE COMMUNITY MEETING FOR A DEVELOPMENT THIS MAGNITUDE WITH ALL OF ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO OUR CURRENT CITIZENS AND OUR NATURAL RESOURCES, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN TODAY IS WE DEFER THIS ITEM. THE APPLICANT COULD MODIFY IT, COME BACK AT A LATER TIME WITH SOME ANSWERS FOR THIS AREA AND A BETTER PLAN FOR THIS PART OF THE COUNTY THAT'S IN RURAL/SILVICULTURE RIGHT NOW. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE ANY MORE.

AND I KNOW THAT WE LEAVED EVERYBODY.

BUT I'M REALLY SERIOUSLY SUBSTANTIALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING IN OUT THERE WITH ALL THESE ENTITLEMENTS WHEN YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH ALREADY AROUND IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYONE'S TIME.

>> DR. HILSENBECK, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST A MINUTE OR TWO OF JUST CONVERSATION, IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST FOR THE

RECORD. >> I'D ACTUALLY RATHER SKIP IT AT THE MOMENT. I'VE GOT SOMEBODY ON THE QUEUE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, AND THAT'S MR. MILLER.

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

THROUGH THE CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER, I BELIEVE THE POINT IN TIME FOR COMMENTS AND THOUGHTS IS WHEN THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I THINK THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT OR ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT COMES UP. I JUST WANT A POINT OF ORDER

CLARIFICATION ON THAT. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S GENERALLY THE APPROACH.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. I THINK IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S ANY COMMENTS OR SORT OF EDUCATION WHETHER LEGISLATIVE OR

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THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK THE APPLICANT CERTAIN QUESTIONS OR

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. >> MAY I RESPOND TO THAT?

>> YES. >> I'VE BEEN ON HERE OR FOR A WHILE NOW, A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, AND I HAVE MADE COMMENTS LIKE THIS AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE COMMENTED RATHER THAN DIRECTLY ASK QUESTIONS BUT I'LL BE GLAD DO IT AGAIN AFTER WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. I'LL BE GLAD TO GO THROUGH IT AGAIN. THANK YOU.

>> I THINK MR. MILLER'S MOTION OR DISCUSSION ISIME FOR QUESTIO.

BUT THIS IS A THERE IS A TIME FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO STIFLE CONVERSATION.

>> AGREED. >> SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON

THE SPEAKER QUEUE? >> I ACTUALLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. AND THIS IS MY DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT AND I SUPPORT THIS. AND SO THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK THAT ALL CONSIDER WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH THE PUD AND YOU COME BACK WITH ADOPTION IS I THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO TRANSITION OF USES ON YOUR BOARDERS WHERE YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO DENSITIES THAT ARE LOWER. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE. I'M NOT ASKING TO YOU ADDRESS THOSE TODAY. I JUST THINK THERE OUGHT TO BE -- OUGHT TO NOT FORCE THE TRANSITION TO THE EXISTING PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE, IN MY OPINION.

THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISH THROUGH THE PUD I THINK VERY EASILY.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT YOUR DENSITY ON VETERANS PARKWAY IN MY OPINION, THE BIG COMMERCIAL PIECE.

AND THEN THE OTHER TWO THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION HERE IS WE'VE BEEN GETTING A PIECEMEAL REZONING OF THE HELOW PROPERTIES AT THIS CORNER, AND SO WE REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE OTHER REZONINGS AND LAND USE CHANGES THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, AND LOOKING AT THE GRAND TOTAL, IN MY OPINION. I'M STILL TELLING YOU THAT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT, BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC LICKS THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUILT THERE AND THAT WE APPREHENSIVELY APPROVED A BIG DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHEAST QUOARN A BUNCH COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, IN MY OPINION. .

AND I'M NOT ASKING YA'LL TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE.

I'M JUST ASKING YA'LL FOD TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND ADDRESS THAT WHEN YA'LL COME BACK. SO I'M -- MAYBE I JUST VIOLATED THE RULE WE JUST SET. [LAUGHTER]

>> I HEARD IT AS A WILL YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING.

>> YES. THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

THANK YOU. >> YES, WE'LL CONSIDER IT.

>> OKAY. THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU.

NOW I'LL LET YOU ALL HANDLE REBUTTAL.

>> AND THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE BOARD IS WOULD YOU LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR REBUTTAL BECAUSE I DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, AND DR. HILSENBECK'S COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ALSO PRESIDENT PUBLIC BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT -- FROM THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I HAVE NOT SEEN THE INFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD BUT IT SOUNDED IN THE SUM RYE LIKE WE MIGHT WANT TO CHECK

SOME OF THE FIGURES. >> I THINK WE'RE GOOD WRE BUT LATER. WITH REBUTTAL LATER.

AT THIS POINT WE'LL BE TO PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS.

I REMEMBERED THIS TIME. >> WE HAVE SEVERAL.

OKAY. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF YOU WILL BE PRESENTING SOME PRINTED MATERIALS. MAKE SURE YOU GIVE THOSE TO STAFF AFTERWARDS. FIRST SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH

TATE. >> IF I COULD WEEK.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED A LIST. I'M SORRY.

MR. REILLY. WE HAVE SUBMITTED A LIST.

THERE ARE FOUR OF US THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, AND MS. TATE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THIRD ON THE LIST.

IT WOULD BE MYSTIFIES, MR. YEAGER, MS. TASTE AND

MR. -- >> THAT'S FINE.

YA'LL EACH HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO 1ST SPEAKER IS JOE MCANARNEY.

>> 1,005 BLACKBERRY LANE, ST. JOHNS, AND I'M HERE AS A CITIZEN, A SNDZ IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS.

WE HAVE TRIED OUR BEST TO LOOK AT ALL THE MATERIALS.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING IN ABERDEEN.

WE HAD THE LARGE COMMUNITY MEETING WHICH MS. HAGA TALKED ABOUT. WE EVEN MET WITH MR. HELOW.

THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AND, OF COURSE, THE STATISTICS

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AND I WILL PUT IT RIGHT OUT THERE RIGHT AWAY.

WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. WE ACTUALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. MR. MATOVINA, AS YOU INDICATED, DEVELOPMENT WILL HAPPEN. DEVELOPMENT SHOULD HAPPEN.

BUT IT SHOULD BE THE BEST POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT THAT ALL OF US CAN MAKE IT TO BE. SO, YES, WE DO SUPPORT THE PROJECT BUT ONLY WITH SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES IS MY OTHER POINT HERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL PIECE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PIECE, THE ROAD PIECE, A FEW OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, AND THEN FINAL RECOMMENDATION.

SO WE HAVE TRIED TO DRAW OUR OBSERVATIONS AND ANALYSES INTO CLEAR FOCUS. SO CERTAINLY MS. HAGA HAS TOLD US WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT IS, 3500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, NUMEROUS VILLAGES, THREE OF WHICH WE CALL CENTRAL VILLAGES, PERIPHERAL VILLAGES, AND SO FORTH WITH A MIXTURE OF PROPOSED LAND USE. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, IF YOU LOOK AT COUNTY STISES, 72 PERFECTS SURROUNDING HOA RS RESIDENTIAL B. 72%.

IT'S A NUMBER WE SHOULD REMEMBER.

THE APPLICANT HATS SAID THEY WANT TO FIT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THE CENTRAL VILLAGES ARE PROPOSED AT RESIDENTIAL C.

WE'RE SAYING WHY NOT 72% RESIDENTIAL B? I'M GOING TO LET IT GO AT THAT. FLORIDA VILLAGE IS A HUGE DISCONNECT, AND MR. MATOVINA DID TALK ABOUT THE NEW VETERANS PARKWAY, AND LET ME JUST SHOW YOU WHAT HAPPENS ON VETERANS PARKWAY FROM RACETRACK NORTH TO LONG LEAF.

IT'S A SCENIC EDGE WITH BUFFERS.

@TO THE RIGHT THEY ARE REQUESTING 1,000,004 SQUARE FEET. 1,000,004.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE IS 250,000 SQUARE FEET.

HUGE DISCONNECT. VETERANS PARKWAY SHOULD ALSO BECOME RES-B. WE WILL COME BACK TO THIS.

BUT PROBABLY THE ONE VILLAGE THAT WE SEEM TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH IS BRIDLE VILLAGE BUT WE DO THINK THAT FIRST COAST SPRAY WILL EXPRESSWAY WILL BE KO MAKE KEEPING THE ROAD SYSTEM IN BALANCE, IF YOU WILL. WE HAVE HEARD FIRST COAST MIGHT COME ONBOARD 2005. WHATEVER THAT DATE IS, WE WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU TIE THE DEVELOPMENT OF BRIDLE VILLAGE TO THE COMPLETION OF THAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND WE HAVE OUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL TALK ABOUT

ROBERT ROAD. >> CARL YEAGER IS OUR NEXT

SPEAKER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS CARL YEAGER. I CURRENT RESIDE AT 553 CUNNINGHAM HOLLOWAY IN THE VILLAGE OF GREEN SUBDIVISION WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY OFF ROBERTS ROAD.

MY FAMILY AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 22 YEARS.

I HAVE THREE ISSUES REGARDING THIS PROJECT.

NUMBER ONE, THE IMPACT ON ROBERT ROAD, .

TWO, INFRASTRUCTURE. THREE, THE AMOUNT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IN REGARDS TO INFRASTRUCTURE, TAXPAYERS WILL BE ON THE HOOK FOR ALL OF THE UPKEEP FOR EVERY ASPECT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED FOR A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS ONE. THIS INCLUDES BUT NOT LIMITED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, PARKS AND SCHOOLS, AS WELL AS THE WAGES AND SALARIES OF EMPLOYEES REQUIRED FOR THESE AREAS.

IN REGARDS TO ROBERT ROAD, AS PER THE COUNTY, THE CURRENT MEASURED TRAFFIC VOLUME ON ROBERT ROAD CON INDUCTED FALL OF 2020 -- CONDUCTED IN THE FALL OF 2020 IS AT 89% OF CAPACITY.

AS PER THE COUNTY. NO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ROAD ARE SCHEDULED FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

NOW, WITH ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE IMMEDIATE HORIZON, IT WILL NOT TAKE FIVE MORE YEARS FOR THIS ROAD TO REACH MAXIMUM CAPACITY. AS WE ALL KNOW, IT TAKES TIME FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS TO BE PROPOSED AND COMPLETED.

LASTLY, FOR REASONS WHICH I CAN ONLY SPECULATE, A TOURNIQUET HAS BEEN APPLIED TO ROBERT ROAD AND THE RESIDENTS WHO RESIDE IMMEDIATELY ON AND NEAR IT UNLESS SUBSTANTIAL AND MEANINGFUL CHANGES ARE MADE TO THIS PROJECT, THIS PROJECT WILL ONLY SERVE TO TIGHTEN, TIGHTEN, AND TIGHTEN THAT TOURNIQUET ON ROBERTS ROAD AND THOSE WHO LIVE ON AND NEAR IT.

THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH

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TATE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, I'M ELIZABETH FEAPT LIVE AT 441 EAST KESLEY IN ST. JOHNS, AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON TWO ITEMS THIS AFTERNOON FOR YOU, AND THAT IS THE NON-RESIDENTIAL IMPACTS AND ALSO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ROADS.

ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS WE HAVE IS REALLY 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FOOT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USE REASONABLE FOR THIS AREA? WE CURRENTLY HAVE, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, 11 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, AND ONLY 15% OF THAT HAS BEEN BUILT OUT.

WHY DO WE NEED TO ADD 2.5 MILLION TO THAT SPACE ALREADY? THE APPLICANT'S OWN MARKET STUDY INDICATES THAT 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FOOT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE COULD BE ABSORBED COUNTYWIDE THROUGH 2050, AND WE STILL HAVE AGAIN APPROXIMATELY 10 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT HAS NOT BEEN BUILT OUT. WHY DO WE NEED MORE? ALSO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE LOCATION.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VERY LARGE SHOPPING AREAS IN THE REGION. WE HAVE TOWN STWRB JTB, DURBIN PARK BEING BUILT. WE HAVE THINGS BEING BUILT AT SILVER LEAF. ALL OF THOSE WILL HAVE IMMEDIATE FREE IOWA ACCESS, MAKING IT SOMEWHAT EASY FOR RESIDENTS TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.

WITH GREENBRIER HEEO THERE WILL BE NO FREEWAY ACCESS.

THAT MEANS IT'S FOUR MILES OF ADD CONGESTION COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE OTHER THING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS THE REALLY ADMIRABLE ASPECT OF WANTING TO CREATE A COMMUNITY WHERE FAMILIES WILL WORK AND LIVE, WANTING TO CREATE SPACE WHERE PEOPLE WILL NOT BE COMMUTING NORTH TO JACKSON SPRIL, VILLE, VILLE, HOWEVER THEIR OWN MARKET STUDY SAYS THAT MOST OF THE NEW JOBS THAT WILL BE CREATED WITH THIS SETTING WILL BE SERVICE SECTOR JOBS.

THAT'S NOT DWHOAG TO KEEP GG TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM COMMUTING NORTH TO JACKSONVILLE. THAT'S JUST GOING TO ADD TO THE COMMUTE WITHIN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF COUNTY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS TO HAVE AN ACCOMPANYING PLAN TO CREATE OUR DRAW THE TYPE OF JOBS TO THE COUNTY THAT WILL STOP PEOPLE FROM COMMUTING NORTH. THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT ALLOW THAT. FLIPPING TO THE ROADS, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE COUNTY ITSELF HAS IDENTIFIED 20 IMPACTED SEGMENTS THAT WILL NEED -- THAT WILL BE IMPACTED HERE, AND THERE'S CURRENTLY NOT A PLAN TO MITIGATE THIS.

OR A BUDGET TO ADDRESS THIS. TO THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED BEFORE THINGS MOVE FORWARD. THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA ARE QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO WHAT'S ALREADY CONGESTED ROADS COMING THROUGH THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF THE COUNTY. WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS GOING TO BE? WILL WE HAVE TO THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IN? HOW IS IT GROIBT MAINTAINED GOING FORWARD? THANK YOU.

>> NEXT SPEAKER IS RHONDA LOVITT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. MY NAME IS RHONDA LOVITT I'M AT 121 SCOTLAND YARD BOULEVARD 322 32259.

I'M NATIVE ST. JOHNS RESIDENT LIVED HERE WELL OVER 45 YEARS.

THIS HURTS MY HEART. IT REALLY DOES.

FOLLOWING UP WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD ALREADY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE THE AGENCY TO CONSIDER OMGHTSZ FOR REDUCING THE TRAFFIC BURDEN, TO ENSURE DEVELOPMENT YEEMENT FOR ROADS BEFORE FINAL APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, AND SUMMARIZED A FEW POINTS.

THE NORTHWEST SECTOR WRABS WE'VE HEARD, HAS APPROXIMATELY 20,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS ALREADY APPROVED AND NOT YET BUILT.

FOUR DEVELOPMENTS WITH DIRECT IMPACT ON THIS PROJECT ARE ALL FAR LESS THAN 40% BUILT OUT, ADDING APPROXIMATELY 5400 UNITS WITH NEGATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, AND IF ANYBODY HAS EVER DRIVEN LONGLEAF PINE PARKWAY DURING A SCHOOL HOUR, THERE'S SIX SCHOOLS THAT SURROUND THIS WITH JUST TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. THIS PROJECT IS ESTIMATED TO GENERATE OVER DISKS 6,000 NEW PEAK OUR TRIPTS WITH LIMITED ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND IT IS CLEARLY NOTED BY STAFF THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE ADEQUATE REVENUE RESOURCES AT THIS TIME TO COMPLETE CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS NOR IS IT ANTICIPATED THAT THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE CONTRIBUTION WILL BE ADEQUATE TO COMPLETE THESE IMPROVEMENTS. AND I'D LIKE NOT TO COME BACK IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS TO ARGUE AGAINST A TAXING DISTRICT THAT'S THE DEVELOPERS' REQUESTING TO HELP PAY FOR ROADS. WE ALSO ASK YOUR AGENCY TO

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-- DEVELOPMENT ARE AT GRECIAL B.

ROBERT ROAD AREA THAT THE GENTLEMAN SPOKES ABOUT ALREADY AT CAPACITY. AND WE'RE ASKING TO PUT IN OVER 3,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-DESCRERKT WITH UP TO 13 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. DOES THIS REAL MISTAKE SENSE? FINALLY, I WOULD ASK THE AGENCY TO CONSIDER THE ADVERSE IMPACTS RELATED TO THE PROPOSED SIZE OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THE NORTHWEST SECTOR, AS WE HAVE HEARD HAS OVER 9 MILLION SQUARE FEET UNBUILT AND PROVED BUT UNBUILT FOR COMMERCIAL.

CAN THIS REALLY BE STEANL AND ABSORBED? MOST OF THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

NORTHWEST SECTOR, AS WE'VE HEARD, IS MUCH CLOSER TO MAJOR HIGHWAY, 9B, I-NEVADA AND THE EXPRESSWAY NOT IN THE HORIZON.

THERE'S NO BRIDGE BUILT YET TO QUOFER THIS.

THIS PULLS TRAFFIC DIRECTLY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THIS WHEEL. THE JOBS, I'VE HEARD MOST OF THESE WILL BE SERVICE OR COMMERCIAL RELATED.

IS THIS GOING TO SUPPORT ANY OF THE SALARIES FOR PEOPLE FAR GOING TO LIVE IN THESE COMMUNITIES? I QUESTION THAT. IN SUMMARY, THIS PROJECT FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTY'S DEFINED DEVELOPABLE'S AREAS WHICH THE COUNTY DISURNLINGSZ AS OBVIOUSLY IT'S SILVICULTURE.

COMPREHENSIVE PLANS SHOULD SHOW JUSTIFICATION FOR THE NEED OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THE AMENDMENT DISURNLINGSZ URBAN STRAHL AND DOES NOT ADD DECEMBER VERSELY IMPACTED RESOURCES. IS THIS DEVELOPMENT CLEARLG DEMONSTRATING IS THIS AND IS THIS DEVELOPMENT BENEFIT VERSUS INCREASED CHALLENGES TO OVERCOME RATIO HAS PRESENTED AT THIS TIME JUSTIFIED? THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

OUR IS NEXT SPEAKER IS DAN TORRES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. HI, MY NAME IS DAN TORE PEPS I RESIDE AT 116 WEIDNER COURT. AND HI, NEIGHBORS.

THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I ACTUALLY JUST MOVED IN AND CLOSED A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. I MADE A CHOICE TO MOVE TO ST. JOHNS FOR THE VERY REASONS MR. HILSENBECK HAS PROPOSED.

IT TOOK ME SIX TRIPS TO THIS AREA TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION IN WHICH WE DECIDED TO HAVE OUR HOME BUILT.

WE CHOSE OXFORD ESTATES FOR ITS BY THE, THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUTE, JUST THE ROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BEAUTY THAT IT PROVIDES. HAVING TOLD YOU WHERE I COME TBRIB COME FROM SOUTH FLORIDA, AND I COME FROM MIRAMAR, DADE ONTARIO, BROWARD COUNTY. I DO NOT WANT ST. JOHNS TO TURN INTO THAT. I'M OKAY WITH DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN'T STOP PROGRESS AS THIS TEAM HAS PRESENTED.

HOWEVER, WHAT I DON'T WANT AS AN INFORMED CONSUMER IS FOR THE DENSITY TO CHANGE. I DON'T EXPECT THAT THE RATIO OF DEVELOPMENT TO CHANGE. AND MY BIGGEST IMPACT IS REALLY TO WHAT DECISIONS I'VE MADE FOR MY FAMILY TO BE IN THE AREA AND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT IT BRINGS.

MY DAUGHTER, NINE YEARS OLD, JUST THIS WEEK FOUND A SOFT SHELL WATER TURTLE IN OUR BACKYARD, SOMETHING SHE WOULD NEVER HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE CITY.

PLEASE KEEP ST. JOHNS WHAT IT IS.

THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS ANNE TAYLOR.

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS ANNE TAYLOR.

I RESIDE AT 1365 STATE ROAD 206, ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY NOT FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY BUT FOR SACKA. SACKA DOES NOT USUALLY COMMENT ON OR CONCERN ITSELF WITH DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY, HOWEVER, THE SIZE AND DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT STANDS TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE ABILITY OF THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE HIGH-QUALITY SERVICES SUCH AS SCHOOLS, ROADS, POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION.

IF THE PZA APPROVES THIS PROJECT AS IT IS PROPOSED, IT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE ALREADY STRESSED INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS AREA. THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED, IT PROPOSES TO ADD AS MUCH AS 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THERE IS CURRENTLY AS YOU HAVE HEARD NOW SEVERAL TIMES 9.9 MILLION SQUARE FEET THAT IS ALREADY PERMITTED AND UNBUILT.

THE LOCATION FOR THE THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC. THEY ARE PUTTING IT INSIDE THE VILLAGES, NOT NEXT TO MAJOR ARTERIES.

COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES WILL PROVIDE FOR JOBS FOR RESIDENTS BUT, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT, THESE ARE

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THEY WILL PROBABLY COME -- THE PEOPLE WHO FILL THESE JOBS WILL COME FROM THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT, IT WILL INCREASE, NOT DECREASE TRAFFIC.

THE OTHER CONCERNS WE HAVE -- IF I CAN FIND MY PAGE HERE -- ARE DENSITY, AND THAT'S THE RESIDENTIAL RS C, THE DENSITY FOR MOST OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IS RSB.

THE IMPACT ON THE ECOSYSTEM. THIS AREA HAS SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS THAT SERVE AS AN IMPORTANT RECHARGE AREA AND ALSO HAS A HEAD HEADWATERS OF TROT CREEKS.

PAVING OPEN LAND HAS MANY IMPACTS ON WATER.

IMPER HAVE I JUST COVER, IE PAVING ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATES THE GROUND WATER RECHARGE THAT LAND CAN PROVIDE.

EXCESS WATER FROM IMPERVIOUS AREAS OFTEN CARRY POLLUTANTS AND SEDIMENTS INTO DRAINS AND OTHER COLLECTION POINTS.

AGAIN, WE REALIZED THAT THIS PROJECT IS OUTSIDE THE CONCERN OF ZACKA'S USUAL AREAS OF CONCERN BUT A PREVENT PLAN AMENDMENT OF THIS MAGNITUDE HAS THE ABILITY TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AMENITIES AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

OF THE ENTIRE ONTARIO. WE WOULD LIKE -- COUNTY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO COUNTY WHY THE RESIDENTS OF NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS IN EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

AND I HAVE COPIES OF THIS IF YOU WOULD -- OF MY PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THANK YOU.

WITH. >> THAT IS ALL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAD A LETTER SENT TO ONE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEMBERS, AND IT WAS CD LICENSE TO READ IT AND IT WAS FROM SACA.

IS THAT THE SAME PRESENTATION? SO THAT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE READY FOR REBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT.

>> AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, THANK YOU, YOU'VE READ MY MIND.

I WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO THE END AND PUT UP.

FINAL MAP. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL CLICK FASTER IN A MINUTE. I'M CLICKING AS FAST AS I CAN.

>> WOULD YOU IMRURT NAME AND ADDRESS IN THE RECORD.

>> I'M SORRY. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WETSTONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE.

I APOLOGIZE. HOLD ON.

I'M GOING FOR THE LAST SLIDE. HERE WE GO.

OKAY. SO STARTING, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, YOU LOOK AT 2200 ACRES THAT IS BASICALLY THE HOLE IN THE DOUGHNUT IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT GOING BACK TO WHAT DR. HILSENBECK TALKED ABOUT AND ALSO MR. MCANARNEY.

THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME TO TAKE THE HELOW PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE HELOW FAMILY FOR MANY YEARS, AND MASTER PLAN IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS LIKE 500 ACRES OF REASONABLY SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS ARE PRESERVED AND INTERCONNECTED WITH THE REGIONAL WETLAND AND I'LL CALL IT CRITTER CORRIDOR, WILDLIFE CORRIDOR NETWORK. I THINK THIS IS THE IDEAL TIME TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE VARIOUS VILLAGES AND HAVE LAND USES THAT ACTUALLY COME OUT TO 2.FULLY 2.3 UNIS PER NET ACRE IN THE PROJECT OVERALL.

I'M RESPONDING TO THE RESIDENTIAL B VERSUS RESIDENTIAL C. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NET A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN RESIDENTIAL B, 2.3 UNITS PER ACRE PROJECT WIDE. A COUPLE OF -- AND I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT -- IT WILL PROVIDE REGIONAL PARKS AS FAR AS MONEY TO IMPROVE THE COUNTY'S REGIONAL PARKS, THAT'S SHOWN ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS SLIDE. IT WILL PROVIDE A REGIONAL TRAIL NETWORK WHICH IS SHOWN AGAIN AT IN LITTLE GREEN BUBBLES ON THIS MAP. AND BOTH INTERNAL ROADS AND EXTERNAL ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE VERSUS PIECEMEALING DEVELOPMENT 100 AND 200 ACRES AT A TIME WITH NO THOUGHT FOR ANY INTERCONNECTIVITY, WILDLIFE CORRIDOR, WETLAND PRESERVATION, MASTER PLANNING AT ALL. SO I THINK THAT IS A HUGE COMPONENT OF WHAT THIS PROJECT BRINGS TO THE TABLE.

SPEAKING OF TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY

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BUT OVERALL THIS PROJECT WILL BEAT ITS LIMITS.

WILL IT HAVE TREASON CONCURRENCY.

IT WILL HAVE A PROPORTIONAL SHARE WHICH IS RIGHT NOW ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND $21 MILLION AND THAT MONEY WILL BE GIVEN TO THE THE COUNTY FOR THE COUNTY TO DO WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS TO THE REGIONAL ROADWAY NETWORK THE COUNTY DEEMS APPROPRIATE. THAT WILL BE DOCUMENTED IN A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS WHAT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SPOKE ABOUT, SO IT WILL BE IN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY SAYING THIS IS THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE, $21 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE, AND IT WILL BE NEGOTIATED WHAT ROAD OR ROADS THAT MONEY WILL BE APPLIED TO. WITH RESPECT TO SCHOOLS, AGAIN, WE ALL KNOW THAT TACOY HIGH SCHOOL IS COMING ONLINE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. THERE'S ALREADY A-HIGH HIGH SCHOOL PLANNED IN TWIN CREEKS. THAT'S A HIGH SCHOOL.

THERE IS ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL SITE THAT'S AVAILABLE IN SILVER LEAF. THIS PROJECT HAS PROPOSED A SCHOOL SITE. THERE ARE THREE SCHOOL SITES IN RIVERTOWN. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF -- THERE'S ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL OR SCHOOL PROPOSED IN SILVER LEAF.

AND SO I THINK THAT -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO RECITE ALL THE SCHOOL SITES THAT ARE BEING GIVEN OR DONATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL BOARD, BUT THERE ARE NUMBER OF THEM.

ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS PAY THEIR CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION, AS THIS ONE WILL, FOR SCHOOL PROPORTION AT SHARE.

THAT PROPORTIONATE SHARE IS USED AGAIN TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SCHOOLS SO THAT THERE IS NO NET IMPACT, IF YOU WILL, TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTING SCHOOLS FOR THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S SET OUT IN CHAPTER 1 CONSECUTIVE FLORIDA STATUTE. WITH RESPECT TO THIS PURPORTED I HEARD 63,000 HOMES, I'VE HEARD 10,000 HOMES -- ACTUALLY I TAKE IT BACK -- 20,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AB SOLDIERS RATE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA BUILDER ASSOCIATION, WE'RE BUILDING BETWEEN 4,000 AND 5,000 HOMES A YEAR IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY RIGHT NOW, AND SO 20,000 HOMES, IF THAT NUMBER IS THE ACCURATE, DOESN'T LAST FOR VERY LONG, AND SO THERE IS A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INVENTORY, AND AGAIN I WOULD ASSERT TO YOU THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE IN THIS THOUGHTFUL WAY IN MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITIES THAT PROVIDE A PEN MENTIS NOT ONLY TO, -- AMENITIES NOT ONLY TO THEIR RESIDENTS BUT TO NBC OF THE OVERALL PUBLIC. WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL, OBVIOUSLY THE COMMERCIAL WILL BE INTERSPERSED THROUGHOUT THE SITE. HEPATITIS NOT GOING TO BE 2.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL IN ANY GIVEN LOCATION. THE IF THERE IS NOT MARKET FOR THE COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL IS NOT BUILT BUT THERE ARE SO MANY ROOFTOPS, AGAIN, COMING TO THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY THAT IT IS EXPECTED THAT NOT ONLY WILL THIS NON-RESIDENTIAL BE CONSTRUCTED, AND IT CAN BE OFFICE AS WELL, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE, BUT THERE ARE ROOFTOPS COMING UP, AND THERE ARE A NEED FOR RESTAURANTS AND OTHER SERVICES, BUT THERE'S ALSO NEED FOR HOSPITALS, DOCTORS' OFFICES, OTHER MEDICAL OFFICES, INSURANCE OFFICES, LAW OFFICES. I MEAN, YOU NAME IT.

BECAUSE AS MANY OF US WHO MIGHT WANT TO WORK FROM HOME, WE DON'T DO IT VERY WELL BECAUSE WE GO TO THE REFRIGERATOR A LOT AND WANT TO GO OUTSIDE, SO I LIKE TO GO TO THE OFFICE, AND I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, AND LIKE A LOT OF FIRMS, SOURS GOING BACK TO THE OFFICE -- OURS IS GOING BACK TO THE OFFICE BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE A BETTER, MORE COLLEGIAL WORKING ATMOSPHERE IN AN OFFICE, AND SO I KNOW THAT COVID HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO THE OFFICE SITUATION THE LAST YEAR, BUT I THINK THAT BUSINESSES ARE GOING START GOING BACK TO OFFICES, SO THESE WILL NOT ONLY BE SERVICE SECIALGHT JOBS BUT PROFESSIONAL JOBS AS WELL.

THIS PROJECT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE ST. JOHNS TOWN CENTER IN UNGROUP OR ONE AREA. IT'S INTENDED TO BE SPREAD OUT.

AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE THE PLACE OF A REGIONAL MALL, IF YOU WILL. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AND OTHER SERVICE AND BUSINESS LOCATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH MY NOTES. I'M TRYING TO BE FAST.

WITH RESPECT TO WATER SUPPLY, WE HAVE A LETTER OF AVAILABILITY FROM J EAVMENT SAYING THEY HAVE WATER AND SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE AVAILABLE. WE WILL, MR. MATOVINA, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CONSIDER YOUR COMMENTS ON THE PUD.

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I WOULD NOTE WITH RESPECT TO THE GENTLEMAN, I THINK HIS NAME IS MR. YEAGER, WHO TALKED ABOUT IMPACTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PEOPLE WHO MOVED HERE 20 YEARS AGO OR MOVED HERE LAST WEEK ARE ALL TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS WILL THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND SO TAXPAYERS PAY PROPERTY TAXES TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY EVERY YEAR TO MAINTAIN ROADS, INFRASTRUCTURE, HIRE POLICE OFFICERS, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE FOR THE GENERAL GOOD. AND THEN WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL PROVIDE ITS OWN, I'M GOING TO CALL IT CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION FOR SCHOOL NEEDS AND ROADS AND UTILITY LINES AND THAT KIND OF A THING.

MS. HAGA, IF I'M MISSING ANYTHING, COME ON BUT MR. CRAMMEN, IF YOU WILL COME WOULD BE GREAT.

LIKE I SAID. I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS EVERYTING.

WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS FROM SOUTH ANASTASIA, WE DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM ALL AREAS OF THE COUNTY, AND AGAIN WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ROAD AND SCHOOL CAPACITY. I'M TALKED ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE DOING BASICALLY 2.3 UNITS PER ACRE. AND AGAIN YOU LOOK ON THIS MAP AND SEE THE SIGNIFICANT WETLAND SYSTEM AND WILDLIFE CORRIDOR PRESERVATIONIZATION THAT'S BEING OFFERED BY THIS PROJECT.

HOPEFULLY WITH THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND ALL THE BOARD'S COMMENTS AND EXPWERKS WE'LL TALK

ABOUT ROBERTS ROAD >> JEFF CRAM IN, OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST OF THE PROPERTY IS NORTH AND EAST OF THE CONNECTION OF ROBERTS AND LONG LEAF. WITH TRAFFIC WANTING TO GO NORTH AND EAST, IT WOULD BE BACKTRACKING FOR THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROJECT TO BE-TO-USE ROBERTS.

THAT IS REPRESENTED IN ANALYSIS WE DID, AND THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTY ALONG ROBERTS AND PORTIONS OF BRIDLE VILLAGE THAT WILL USE ROBERTS ROAD BUT ALL 3500 UNITS PROPOSED AND ALL 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE WILL NOT BE DRIVING ON ROBERTS ROAD. THERE ARE PLANS TO IMPROVE ROBERTS TO A THREE-LANE SECTION.

WE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE GARBAGE TRUCKS THERE IS A PROBLEM GETTING UP AND DOWN ROBERTS. THE IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY ARE DISCUSSING IS A THREE-LANE SECTION WHICH WOULD ALLOW YOU TO GET PAST THE GARBAGE TRUCK. THE ISSUE WITH LOCALIZED CONGESTION AT THE SCHOOLS, THAT'S KIND OF AN ISSUE THAT HAPPENS AT EVERY SCHOOL. YOU SEE IT ALL ALONG LONGLEAF AND THAT HAPPENS FOR AN HOUR IN THE MORNING AND AN HOUR IN THE AFTERNOON, NOT NECESSARILY COINCIDING WITH PEAK HOURS.

IT'S JUST NORMAL URBAN LIFE. >> AND MS. HAGA IS GROWING GOING TO COME AND UP TALK ABOUT THE PUD HIGHLIGHT.

>> JUST TO TAP ON AND IN THE VEIN OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THIS MAP HELPS SHOW US WHERE WE SEE FLORIDA PARCEL ABOUT CONCERNS OVER BECOMING BLANDING BOULEVARD, AND AS A LIFETIME NORTHEAST FLORIDA RESIDENT WE KNOW BLANDING BOULEVARD IS MULTIPLE ACCESS CONNECTIONS ALONG THE ROADWAY.

IT IS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE A MIXTURE OF USES, AND SO WHAT WE'LL SEE IN THE PUD IS THAT ACCESS MANAGEMENT, YOU CAN START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT HERE ALONG THE FLORIDA VILLAGE USING THAT AS VETERANS, SO THAT WE MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ACCESS CONNECTION POINTS, AND THEN ALSO THOSE POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN ABOUT THE SCENIC EDGES, THAT DEFINES FOURS WHAT WE'LL HAVE AS FAR AS THAT LANDSCAPING. SO IN THE PUD WE'LL START TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT MORE COME TO LIFE.

BUT TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENCES OF WHY THIS WON'T BECOME BLANDING BOULEVARD, WE HAVE A MIX OF USES.

REWE REGULATE AND HAVE A HIGH STANDARD OF SCREENING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE. WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE PUD.

THAT'S THE MY ADDITION. >> THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

FOR OUR TEAM OF? >> YEAH, MR. MILLER HAS A QUESTION [INAUDIBLE]

>> BY IS THAT IT LAW CHAPTER 163 CAN THIS DEVELOPMENT OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR A BACKLOG OF

TRANSPORTATION DEFICIENCIES? >> NO, NOT ACCORDING TO FLORIDA

LAW. >> SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR SOME OF THE THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? IF NOT, WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY

FOR A MOTION. >> THANK YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE]

[10. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners for Planning and Zoning Agency Member Appointments.]

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TESTIFY REPORT. >> MOTION POOR APPROVAL BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THANK YOU.

THAT MOTION PASSES. AND WE ARE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 10.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LET MS. CHRISTINE TELL US ABOUT ITEM

NUMBER 10. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

I BELIEVE TODAY IT'S MR. ALAIMO'S LAST MEETING BEFORE HIS TERM EXPIRES, SO WE HAVE APPLICANTS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED TO REPLACE MR. ALAIMO. THERE ARE TEN TOTAL.

SO THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE FOR THE CHAIR TO CALL FOR NOMINATIONS. EACH NOMINATION WOULD NEED TO BE SECONDED. ONCE YOU HAVE THE FLOOR CLOSED FOR NOMINATIONS, THEN YOU WOULD TAKE A VOTE ON EACH PERSON NOMINATED IN THE ORDER OF THEIR NOMINATION.

SO THE FIRST PERSON WOULD BE VOTED ON FIRST.

IF THEY'RE SELECTED, THAT'S THE END OF THE PROCESS.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE READY TO TAKE NOMINATIONS FROM THE FLOOR. AND MR. ALAIMO IS ON THE QUEUE

FIRST. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE IT'S BEEN TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. I'VE GOT TOEE KNOW EACH ONE OF YOU, ZACK AND JACK, HAVEN'T KNOWN YOU GUYS AS LONG BUT YOU'VE REALLY ENJOYED SERVING THE ON THIS BOARD AND I'M THANKFUL THAT THE BCC HAD APPOINTED ME AND I REALLY LEARNED A LOT AND MET A LOT OF GREAT FOLKS.

I'M LOOKING AT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON MY PLATE AND DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE, BUT AS I WAS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, I MET AN INDIVIDUAL THAT I THINK WOULD DO A REALLY GREAT JOB SERVING ON THIS WOARD BOARD HELP HE'S A 20-YEAR NAVY VETERAN. HE'S -- WE HAVE THE SAME FOLLOWINGAL BACKGROUND AND I THINK WE WOULD BE A GREAT AND HIS NOMINATION IS FOR ELVIS PIERRE.

>> SO WE HAVE MR. PIERRE IS NOMINATED.

DR. HILSENBECK, YOU'RE SECOND ON THE QUEUE.

>> THIS PERSON WHO I'M GOING TO NOMINATE SPOKE HERE TODAY.

HE DIDN'T GET A SECOND THE LAST TIME HE WAS NOMINATED, BUT HE IS AN ARCHITECT. I SAID I THOUGHT WE NEEDED AN ARCHITECT ON THIS BOARD AND WE DON'T HAVE ONE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> I SKIPPED THAT. FALLING APART TODAY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, I'M SORRY, ON MR. ALAIMO'S NOMINATION?

I'M SORRY, DR. HILSENBECK. >> IT'S FINE.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> WE'RE ASKING FOR SECONDS, IS

THAT RIGHT? >> YES.

>> I SECOND IT. >> SHOULD WE VOTE IS NOW?

>> NO, YOU WOULD TAKE ALL NOMINATIONS FIRST.

>> OKAY. >> AND WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT,

TOO, JUST TO -- >> ALL RIGHT.

I'M SORRY, DR. HILSENBECK. I THREW OFF-BALANCE.

>> THAT'S FINE. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT DECISION, HAW WHAT YOU WU DID.

SO I'M GOING TO NOMINATE JOE MCANARNEY AGAIN.

HE PUT TOGETHER, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN AND WHAT HE SENT TO YOU ALL AND PRESENTED TODAY, A REALLY DETAILED PRESENTATION ABOUT ANALYZING THE GREENBRIER HELOWO PROJECT WHICH I REALLY THINK EXCEEDS ANYTHING ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER HAS DONE, AND I THINK THE BOARD COULD BENEFIT FROM HIS COUNSEL ON THIS BODY SO I

NOMINATE HIM. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. MCANARNEY.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND IT, AND WHEN DR. HILSENBECK SAID HE DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND THE TIME BEFORE, HE WAS NOMINATED, AND I SECONDED IT, AND THEN I MISSED THE NEXT MEETING -- I HAD A GOOD EXCUSE. MY GRAND SEENS SON'S BIRTHDAY.

AT ANY RATE, I WAS NOT THERE TO SECOND IT AND THE OTHER PERSON THAT HAD VOTED FOR HIM BEFORE HAD SWITCHED HIS VOTE ON THE SECOND TIME, SO HE'S CORRECT ABOUT THAT.

NOW WE HAVE A SECOND AND NOW WE HAVE TWO NOMINEES, CORRECT?

>> YES. MS. PERKINS.

>> I NOMINATE VERNON HAWLEY SMITH THE E. THEIR.

HE'S MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO BE ON THIS BOARD AND WOULD BE A

GREAT ADDITION. >> THAT'S NUMBER 3.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR MR. SMITH?

>> I'LL SECOND. >> MR. MITRE.

>> YEAH, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MILLS FROSTENSON WHO HAVE COMOI

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TO THE BOARD AS WELL. >> IS THERE A SECOND ON NELLS

FROSTENSON? >> I'LL SECOND IT.

HE IS AN ENGINEER BE I NOTED. ?

DR. MCCORMICK. >> I'M SORRY.

WASN'T READY. ANNE CHALLIS.

>> WE'VE GOT A NOMINATION. IS THERE A SECOND.

>> I'LL SECOND THAT. I KNOW SHE'S A NURSE BUT SHE

APPLIED PREVIOUSLY. >> HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL

TOO. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT A VARIED NUMBER OF CANDIDATES HERE.

SO NOW WE GO BACK TO THE FIRST CANDIDATE NOMINATED WHICH IS MR. PIERRE BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT WE NEED TO ASK FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, MR. ELVIS PIERRE.

THREE MINUTES. WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ELVIS PIERRE,.

[INAUDIBLE] GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO THE BOARD.

SEE I'M A 20-YEAR MILITARY VETERAN RETIRED, 18 YEARS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE WITH FINANCE, HUMAN RESOURCES AND POLICY EXPERIENCE, AND I AM A PROPERTY OWNER.

I'VE MET A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH MR. ALAIMO.

I'VE MET WITH ALL OF OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK I WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO YOUR TEAM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> AND THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AT THIS POINT, AND SO WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON MR. PIRRE. DR. MCCORMICK IS ON THE SPEAKER. QUEUE

>> WHAT AM I BEING ASKED TO DO? >> I THINK AT THIS POINT --

>> SHOULD SAY YES OR NO? IS THAT IT.

>> . >> I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE START AT THE TOP OF THE LIST AND WE VOTE ON EACH OF THEM IN THE ORDER THEY WERE NOMINATED, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT IS APPROVED IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL TO THE BOARD. DID I GET THAT RIGHT,

CHRISTINE? >> YES.

SO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDATION.

>> WE ALREADY DID THAT, RIGHT? >> NO, YOU NOMINATED.

>> WE JUST NOMINATED THEM. OKAY.

AT THIS POINT WE NEED A MOTION --

>> I'LL SECOND HIM. YOU WANTED ARE WE TALKED ABOUT

SECONDS NOW OR WHAT. >>

>> THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO RECOMMEND MR. PIERRE.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. >> YES.

SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE -- WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A

MOTION FOR NR PIERRE? >> I ALREADY MADE HIM.

>> YOU MADE A MOTION TO NOMINATE HIM.

NOW WE'RE MAKING A MOTION TO VOTE FOR HIM, I GUESS.

>> I'D OFFER A MOTION THAT WE VOTE FOR ELVIS PIERRE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? DR. MCCORMICK, IS THERE A

SECOND? >> NO.

>> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? THEN THAT MOTION DIES FOR A LACK OF A SECOND.

SO NOW WE MOVE TO MR. MCANARNEY.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO NOMINATE MR. MCANARNEY?

>> I MOVE TO THANK WE NOMINATE JOE MCANARNEY FOR THE PZA

BOARD. >> SO THERE'S A MOTION BY DR. HILSENBECK. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> YES. >> SO WE HAVE A SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, REGISTER THE VOTE SO THAT MOTION FAILS 2. SO WE GO ON TO -- 5-2.

WE GO TO CANDIDATE NUMBER 3 VERNON HAWLEY SMITH.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR? >> I MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE

VERNON HAWLEY SMITH III. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.

IS THERE A SECOND. >> I'LL SECOND.

>> SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, LETS LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE. THAT MOTION FAILS 4-3.

SO NOW WE ARE ON TO MS. -- >> MR. FROSTENSON.

>> IS THAT A MISTER? ?

YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

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NOMINATE NELLS FROSTENSON. >> IS WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE SO THAT MOTION FAILS. 5-2.

AND SO WE'RE ON TO MS. CHALLIS. IS THERE A MOTION FOR

MS. CHALLIS? >> YES.

I MAKE A MOTION. >> DR. MCCORMICK MAKES A MOTION FOR MS. CHALLIS. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. >> SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE

VOTE. >> I'M SORRY.

>> THAT MOTION FAILS 5-2. >> WE'RE SO AGREEABLE.

>> CAN WE ACCEPT FURTHER NOMINATIONS AT THIS POINT?

>> THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

>> CAN I OFFER A SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN?

>> SURE. >> MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN TO TWO OR THREE CANDIDATES.

IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING MAJORITY VOTES AT THIS TIME.

I SAW AT LEAST ONE CANDIDATE THAT HAD THREE VOTES.

NOBODY HAD FOUR. BUT IF WE COULD HAVE THE TOP TWO OR EVEN IF WE CAN GET THREE NOMINATED THIS NEXT TIME WITH FOUR VOTES OR THREE VOTES AND THEY HAVE THREE LIKE THAT, THEN WE WOULD GO ON AND SEE IF WE GET FOUR THE NEXT TIME OR WHATEVER AND DO IT THAT WAY. IN OTHER WORDS, LET'S TRY TO NARROW DOWN THE GROUP. WE'VE GOT HOW MANY RIGHT NOW

THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? >> THEY WERE EACH VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY SO IN EFFECT I THINK YOUR CONCEPT IS TAKEN INTO

ONTARIO. >> I SUGGEST WE FOR EXAMPLE THROUGH IT AGAIN AND SEE IF WE GET MORE THAN TWO VOTES.

>> I THINK WE CAN BE HERE ALL NIGHT.

>> AS A PROCESS. >> DR. HILSENBECK, I SEE YOU ON THE QUEUE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE IS ON TO SAY?

>> I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA FRANKLY.

WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON THESE. I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE

ELSE. >> AND MR. ALAIMO?

>> YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST FEEL LIKE OBVIOUSLY YOU AND MEGAN ARE BOTH EXAMPLES OF THIS, THAT IT'S THE BCC THAT ULTIMATELY GETS TO MAKE THIS DECISION, SO LET'S LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION. WE WENT THROUGH.

WE EACH NOMINATED SOMEBODY. AND AS YOU ARE AWARE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GET THE FINAL DECISION.

SO WE WILL LET THEM MAKE THAT CALL.

>> THAT'S A TOUGH CALL FOR THE CHAIRMAN.

YOU SAY THAT'S UP TO THE CHAIRMAN, HUH?

>> I DO. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK IT'S UP ON THE BCC. >> I AGREE.

I AGREE WITH ROY. >> I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE VOTING ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVING WITH ANYWAY.

>> GOOD POINT. I AGREE.

>> SO I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE HAVE NO RECOMMENDATION

FOR THE BCC. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> WE COULD PASS ALONG HOW MANY VOTES EACH CANDIDATE GOT, I

SUPPOSE. >> I DID.

>> BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT? OKAY. THANK GOODNESS WE DIDN'T DO ITEM

NUMBER 8. >> RIGHT?

>> NR MATOVINA, BEFORE YOU ADJOURN I WANTED TO CORRECT THE STATEMENT REGARDING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT DENIAL.

THERE IS A SEPARATE LIMITATION FOR REAPPLYING AFTER A DENIAL.

THAT IS THE ONE-YEAR LIMITATION.

IT'S SAME SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE WITH REZONINGS.

THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE THAT TIME PERIOD FOR GOOD

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CAUSE SHOWN. >> WHEN YOU SAY THERE IS A SPECIAL LIMITATION PERIOD, IS IT DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE YEAR OR

IS IT THE ONE YEAR? >> IT IS THE ONE YEAR.

>> ONE QUESTION ON THAT. IF THEY WERE TO ALTAR THE APPLICATION SUBSTANTIALLY, WOAT ONE YEAR STILL APPLY?

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APPLIED? >> I THINK AS AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THEY WOULD ASK FOR THE WAIVER FOR THAT APPLICATION.

>> GOT IT. >> OKAY.

LET'S SEE. STAFF RECORDS.

NEXT MEETING IS ON JUNE 17TH WITH EIGHT ITEMS. I JUST GAVE THE REPORT OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY AGENCY REPORTS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL TELL YOU I KNOW THAT I WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING UNTIL THEY FIND THE REPLACEMENT, WHOEVER THEY DECIDE TO GO WITH, BUT ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM THE VICE CHAIRMAN, AND SO YOU'LL BE LOOKING TO FILL THAT ROLE AS WELL, AND I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO NOMINATE NOW AND PASS THAT TORCH IF YOU WANT DO GET A JUMP ON IT.

I KNOW I SPOKE WITH OUR ATTORNEY EARLIER, AND SHE SAID THAT WAS UP TO YOU IF YOU DECIDE YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH

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THAT. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ODDS OF US NOMINATING THE NEW PERSON ARE SLIM.

[LAUGHTER] SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, ACTUALLY. SO I WILL ACCEPT NOMINATIONS.

>> I WILL GO AHEAD AND AT THE LAST MEETING I NOMINATE MEGAN PERKINS FOR THE ROLE AS VICE CHAIR.

SHE HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND I'VE SEEN HER GROW INTO THAT

ROLE. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER OR NOT, BUT THIS WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SHOULD THAT HAVE BEEN AGENDAD?

>> I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NRSLY NEED TODAY ADVERTISE IT.

>> NO, THIS IS GENERAL BUSINESS OF THE BOARD, BUT IF YOU WOULD ALSO CLARIFY WHEN THE NEW VICE CHAIR WOULD TAKE THE ROLE.

IS IT EITHER THE NEXT MEETING OR WHEN MR. ALAIMO EVENTUALLY GETS TO NOT JOIN US ANYMORE? ?

>> WELL, YOU MADE THE NOMINATION.

I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS THAT [INAUDIBLE]

>> SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MS. PERKINS.

I GUESS IT'S UP TO ME HOW WE PROCEED.

ARE THERE OTHER NOMINATIONS AT THIS POINT?

YES. >> I'M GOING TO NOMINATE

MR. JACK PETERS. >> ALL RIGHT.

ANY NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO GO -- YOU'RE ON THE SPEAKER LIST.

DO I HAVE TO HAVE A SNEKD SO WE'RE GOING TO GO IN ORDER HERE. WE'VE GOT A NOMINATION OF MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND. AND JUST TO SPEAK A BLI LITTLE EXTEMPORANEOUSLY SINCE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT ON MOTIONS, I'VE WORKED WITH MS. PERKINS FOR 11 YEARS NOW, AND I'VE SEEN HER IN COURT, I'VE SEEN HER AT QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

I THINK SHE'S MORINELLO CAPABLE OF HANDLING THE VICE CANARYMANSHIP. , QUITE FRANKLY, I'VE SEEN HER HANDLED MURDER TRIALS. I THINK SHE CAN HANDLE THIS.

>> DOES THAT MEAN YOU SPENT 11 YEARS KNOWING HER FATHER TOO?

>> NO. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON MS. PERKINS AND WE HAVE

DR. MCCORMICK ON THE QUEUE. >> I WILL SECOND THE

NOMINATION. >> SO BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN NOMINATED. NOW, AT THIS POINT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO -- DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER MOTION AND A SECOND OR CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE FIRST

NOMINATION? >> I WOULD SUGGEST YOU VOTE ON

THE FIRST NOMINATION. >> SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR MS. PERKINS. IS THERE

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.