[Call meeting to order.]
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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETINO ORDER, AND I'M GOING TO GO OFF T HERE FOR A MINUTE AND I'M GOINGK EVERYBODY TO STAND AND LET'S STE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. GET OFF TO A GOOD START TODAY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAGE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ON UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBD JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. APPRECIATE IT. SO MR. VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIO
READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMEN, PLEASE? >> THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED ME HEARING HELD IN CON CURSING WITE REQUIREMENTS OF FLORIDA FLOP PUL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMN TOPICS REP VANT TO THE AREAS OFA JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILP AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMEA DESIGNATED TIME DURING THE MEETY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS I. MAY BE HY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRM.
THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME MEETING FOR A LNGTD OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHENN THIS CASE IS THREE MINUTES SPEAS SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AND R ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
IF THEY DO NOT GIVE SWORN TESTIT MAY BE GIVEN WEIGHT BY THE AGENN DETERMINING THE TRUTHFULNESS OFE TESTIMONY. IF A PERSON SANITIZED TO'S PEELY MATTER, SUCH PERSON HAD NEED A F PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENST I VERBATIM RECORD OF PROCEEDINGE WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTID EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL E PACED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING SUS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS ON STAMPS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFT OF THE RECORD. THE RECORD WILL BE AVAILABLE FOY OTHER AGENCY IN THE COUNTY OR AR A REVIEW. THE BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD STATE R THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON RG THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY.
IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURE AGENCY MEMBERS SHOULD THEN IDENE PERSONS INVOLVED THE AND MATERIL CONTENT OF COMMUNICATION. CIVIL CLAUSE. WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANR
[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 4/1/21.]
EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO E ISSUES.WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> AND I'LL ADD ONE MORE THING. IF YOU DO COME UP TO THE MICROPD ASK THAT YOU SPEAK CLEARLY AND E MICROPHONE SO ELDER FOLKS LIKE N HEAR YOU.
ANYWAY, WE HAVE THE MEETING MINM APRIL 1ST, 2021. AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
[SUPMAJ 2021-06 Creekside Christian Private School. Staff - Marie Colee. Request for a continuance to a date certain of June 3, 2021.]
MOTION BY MEGAN. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY RIO ROY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE WILL JUST DO AE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE. >> OPPOSED.
THAT PASSES. WE ALL HAVE A REQUEST FOR A DEFR ZUP IMAGINE 2021-06 FOR KINT ANA DATE CERTAIN OF JUNE 3RD SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THAT. MOTION BY MEGAN.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY ROY. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL DO A VOICE VE AGAIN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> AYE. >> THOSE OPPOSED. THAT MOTION PASSES.
NOW WE'RE ON TO THE TIME FOR PUC COMMENT. TYPICALLY THIS IS FOR ANYONE TOP
[1. TUP 2021-01 Beaver Temporary Parking for Office Employees.]
AND COMMENT ON THINGS THAT ARE N THE AGENDA, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN CON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.THERE WILL ALSO BE PUBLIC COMMEE FRAME AS EACH AGENDA ITEM IS PRD IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THEN.
IS THERE ANYONE AT THIS TIME WHD LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE WE'RE GOING TO MOVEO
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> YES.
>> I'M WITH ALL THE, I REPRESENR TOYOTA. OUR APPLICANT IS 21 TWCT HIGHWAH ST. AUGUSTINE. WE REQUESTED A TEMPORARY EXTENSR PARKING PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR TODAY. OUR FACILITY JUST GOT APPROVED R RELOCATION.
WE'RE MOVING OUT TO HIGHWAY 207D I-95. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET SNARTD NEXTO THREE WEEKS ON OUR SITE AND HOPT WILL BE BUILT WITHIN THE NEXT 15 MONTHS.
OUR REQUEST IS JUST TO EXTEND OR TEMPORARY PARKING THAT WE WERE D PREVIOUSLY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES UNR
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NEW FACILITY IS BUILT. >> IS THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNN TO BE DECLARED BY ANY OF THE ME? SEEING NONE, OKAY. ARE THERE ANY -- I GUESS WE'RE S POINT MOVING INTO QUESTIONS.
YES, DR. HILSENBECK. >> I HAVE A FEW. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS WAS Y CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE WHEN IT WASD TWO YEARS AGO, BUT IT PROVED TO. I'M JUST WONDERING HAVE THERE BY COMPLAINTS? MAYBE YOU DO NOT KNOW. MAYBE THE COUNTY STAFF KNOWS.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AUXILIARY G IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS?
>> NO, SIR, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYOE TO US. >> OKAY.
>> FOR THE RECORD, MARIE COLEE,H MANAGEMENT. NO, SIR, WE HAVE HAD NO COMPLAID
THERE HAS BEEN NO CORNSES ON S ARE. >> SO THIS IS ACCESS THROUGH THR
TOYOTA AND NOT ON THE MEDICAL P? >> YES, SIR. MEDICAL PARKWAY HAS BEEN FENCED.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT THROUGH THE. >> HAVE YA'LL YIEWDZ THIS FACILE JANUARY 4TH OF THIS YEAR?
>> YES, SIR, OFF AND ON. >> OFF AND ON. >> YES, SIR.
>> SO IT'S NOT UTILIZED FULL-TI. >> NO, SIR UNTIL OUR PARKING GES OVERSTAFFED OR ON OVERLOADED ANE
MOVE INTO THAT. >> AND IT MENTIONED IN THE AGENM THAT YA'LL WERE GOING TO HAVE A
THREE-STORY PARKING GARAGE BUIL. >> NO, SIR. WE MIX EVER NIXED THAT LAST YEAE I DID A SURVEY FROM THE NEIGHBOD NOBODY WANTED IT. AND THEN WE FOUND AN OPPORTUNITE
THE FRANCHISE WHICH TOYOTA WAS D OUT TO I-95. >> I WONDERED WHY YOU MIGHT BUIA
THREE-STORY PARKING GARAGE IF YE MOVING, BUT THAT WAS IN THE AGE. >> YES, SIR, AND IT'S BEEN WITH.
>> SO THAT'S DROPPED. >> YES, SIR. >> .
OUR INTENTION ONCE WE MOVE TO AW FACILITY IS TO SELL THIS PROPER. >> AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, IN 2018 MR. MATOVINA MADE A MOTION TO AT THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND SO FORO REQUIRE A VINYL FENCE BE PUT ALE AND A THAT WAS ACCEPTED IN PARTE MOTION. BUT WHAT'S REALLY THERE IS A CHK FENCE WITH A FEW VINYL SLATS STN THERE SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'SY MET THE INTENT OF WHAT HE THOUG, BUT I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO ASK HIM. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHY YA'LT
PUT A REAL VINYL FENCE UP THERE. >> THAT WAS WHAT WAS SUBMITTED D APPROVED.
ORIGINALLY WE HAD A WOOD FENCE E WE SUBMITTED THIS ONE AND THEY D IT.
THEY REQUESTED A CHAIN LINK FENH VINYL SLATS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE. >> I LIKE BEAVER TOYOTA.
THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD COMMUNITY PO THE COMMUNITY. I'VE BOUGHT A VEHICLE THERE.
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY Q?
I DO. >> YES, SIR. >> BECAUSE I REMEMBER THE CONVEN ABOUT THE VINYL FENCE AND THE VL FENCE THAT GOT PUT UP THERE WASE CONVERSATION THEY HAD, THAT I R.
BUT IF YOU DECIDED LAST YEAR TO RELOCATE, WHY DID YOU -- YA'LL A LETTER DATED FEBRUARY 3RD THAT
INDICATES YOU'RE GOING TO BUILDA THREE-LEVEL PARNLG GARAGE? >> WE DIDN'T HAVE APPROVAL FOR E
OR PURCHASE OF OUR PROPERTY UNTR THIS YEAR. >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IN THIS BOARD IN TWO YEARS, BUT IFY COME BACK AGAIN IN TWO YEARS ANT HERE, I'D JUST SUGGEST THAT YA'E LONG MEMORIES BECAUSE THIS CHAP, QUITE FRANKLY. SO IN ANY EVENT, DO WE HAVE ANYC
SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT. >> ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FA MOTION. >> I'LL OFFER A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE TP 2021-01 BER TEMPORARY PARKING FOR OFFICE PLE BASED ON FOUR FIND NS AS FACT AS
PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO. DR. MCCORMICK.
[INAUDIBLE] >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> CHAIRMAN, I WOULD JUST LIKE D
THE BOARD THAT WE ARE GOING TO G VOICE VOTES FOR TODAY. >> OH, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, I'LL GO DOWN THE .
[Items 2 & 3]
DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK.
>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.
>> CHAIRMAN VOTES YES. MS. PERKINS. >> YES.
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>> MR. PETER. >> YES. >> AND MILLER.
>> YES. >> THAT PASSES, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER I WILL ASK IF THERE'S ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ON ITEM NUMBER 2,I ASSUME WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ITEM3 TOGETHER. IS THAT RIGHT, CHRISTINE?
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? >> YES, BUT WITH SEPARATE MOTIO. >> WE CAN DO THAT.
ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON 2 AND 3? >> NO.
>> NO. >> SEEING NONE. YES, SIR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBER. MY NAME IS INJUREES BARBE 10117, FLORIDA 33626, REPRESENTING BILD ANN LOT, THE LOT OWNERS FROM BEN CIVIL ENGINEERING. WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS THAT ARE IN CONJUNCTION. ONE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOD CHANGE FACILITY AND THE COMMERCL GENERAL DISTRICT, AND THE SECONA VARIANCE TO REDUCE PART OF THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS AS THIS IS A CORNERD WE'RE DEALING WITH A FEW ISSUESR AS THE DIMENSIONS WE HAVE THERE.
ON AN AERIAL MAP HERE WE ARE ATE NORTHEAST CORNER SHORE DRIVE ANY 1 HERE.
THIS IS A RENDERING OF A TYPICAL ELEVATION OF THE FACILITY THAT 5 OLD CHANGE BUILDS.
IT'S A VERY NICE LOOKING FACILIY WELL MANAGED, QUICK IN AND OUT . IT'S A PRETTY LOW IMPACT OIL CHE FACILITY DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS A LOW DEMAND FOR WATER AD SEWER IN THE AREA AND IT'S GENEA QUICK SERVICE. THERE AREN'T MAJOR REPAIRS ASSOD WITH IT.
JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT CONSISA FEW OF YOUR PLAN POLICIES. DUE TO THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND THE MIX OF LAND USN YOUR TRANSPORTATION LAND USE. AND NOTING THAT THIS IS AN ANF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN THE GENL ZONING DISTRICT IN YOUR TABLE 25 THIS IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER VIEE SITE. AS PROPOSED, AGAIN, IT'S A LOW T DEVELOPMENT AS FAR AS THE DEMANN CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR D HOURS ARE 7:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M, AND WE REALIZE THAT THOSE CAN BE CONDITIONED AS WELL IF THAT IS A PROBLEM. AND HERE IS JUST SOME CONSISTENH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR AA FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS. WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO STAFF EXPLS MESQUITE EACH ONE OF THESE CRITS EXPLAINED, SO THIS IS JUST TO ST UP THERE.
AND WE HAVE SUBMITTED THOSE DEMONSTRATING THE COMPLIANCE WIE SECTION 2.03 .51 AND WE ACKNOWLT THE SITE CAN BE LIMITED IN INTE, SET BACK, PROPERLY SCREENED AND BUFFERED, AND IT WILL BE A LOW T USE IN COMPARISON TO SOME SIMILS OF USES. AND JUST NOTING THAT WE EVALUAT- THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN EVALUATEDR CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMP PLAN E LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND IT'SS CONSISTENT WITH THE MIX USE DEVT POLICIES, AND IT WILL PROMOTE SE DIVERSITY IN THE AREA AS FAR ASL GENERALIZED USES. AND ALL DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS FR COMPATIBILITY ARE INCORPORATED E LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND ANY E CAN ALSO BE IMPOSED BY YOUR DECS HERE TODAY WITH THE BOARD.
VA THAT WAS FOR THE VA. THAT WAS FOR THE SPECIAL USE PO. THE VARIANCE PORTION, I'LL GO A.
THIS IS THE AGAIN IS SITE -- LET TO A BETTER PICTURE. SLAVMENT SLAVMENT TO N PORTION OF THE SITE, WE'RE DEALH PRETTY SIGHT CONSTRAINTS THERE E PROPOSING TO HAVE A FENCE DOWN E SPHWIERT OF THAT ENTIRETY OF THAT LOT LINE AND PO DO A SIX FOOT BUFFER UP TO THE H ADJACENT TO THE DUMPSTER LOCATI. AND THAT IS THE REQUEST TO JUST ELIMINATE PARTIAL TO THE SOUTH D PROVIDE LESS THAN THE REQUIREMEF 10 FEET TO THE NORTH DUE TO THOE CONSTRAINTS BUT PROVIDING A FULE
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FENCE MATERIAL. AND JUST NOTING AGAIN CONSISTENH YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR G VARIANCES AND 10.04 AND 02, CONY STATEMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D Y TO ANSWER ANY AT THIS TIME. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.AND THE OWNERS HAVE REQUESTED MO ACT -- TO SAY TO YOU THAT THEY U FOR YOUR TIME AND THEY APPRECIAU AND YOUR STAFF'S REVIEW OF THIS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY NB? I'VE A QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTM WEST TO EAST?
>> THE DEPTH OF THE PROPERTY FRT TO EAST, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FROE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU RIGHT OF, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
>> NO PROBLEM. LET'S MOVE INTO PUBLIC SPEAKING.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? >> WE DO NOT.
>> THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGEA MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE SUB MAGIC 7 SUBJECT TO TEN CONDITIONS.
AND EIGHT FINDINGS OF FACT AS PY THE STAFF RECORD.
>> A MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO. IS THIS A SECOND.
SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY DISCUSSION? NOBODY'S ON THE ROLL. LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
>> CHAIRMAN VOTES YES. MR. ALAIMO.
>> YES. >> THAT MOTION PASSES.
NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 3. IS THERE A MOTION FOR ITEM 3?
>> MOTION TO APPROVE ZVAR 2020-4 SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS ANDE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED INE STAFF REPORT.
>> MOTION BY MR. ALAIMO. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MS. PERKINS. ANY DISCUSSION?
[4. ZVAR2020-31 Arnold Variance.]
SEEING NONE, MR. MILLER. >> YES.
>> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. MR. ALAIMO VOTES YES.
>> YES. >> THERE YOU HAVE IT, SIR.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MEM. >> THANK YOU.
LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 4. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU TOO.
>> I HAVE A POWERPOINT. HOLD ON.
FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN ARRIVE I , ROGERS TOWERS, 100 WETSTONE PLA, ST. AUGUSTINE, AND WITH ME TODAS THOMAS ARNOLD WHO IS THE OWNER E PROPERTY WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK AB. SO A LITTLE ORIENTATION.
THIS PROPERTY IS DOWN IN THE CRT BEACH ORE OR BUTLER BEACH AREA.
THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR W, THIS IS MIKE LERS ROAD WHICH DES INTO THE INTRACOAST WATERWAY SO, AND THIS IS MR. ARNOLD'S PROPERO YOU CAN SEE IT GOES DOWN TO THER AND PART OF IT BUT HIS HOME SIT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS DISECIAL C, AND THEN THE ZONING EDITIONIZATION IS RS-3. SO THIS APPLICATION IS FOR THREE DIFFERENT THINGS, TO ALLOW OR RE FRONT YARD SET BACK TO 1 FOOT VE 25-FOOT REQUIREMENT, TO REDUCE E YARD SETBACK ON THE EAST SIDE OE HOUSE FROM 8 FEET TO 3 FEET, ANO ALLOW TWO PIECES OF RECREATIONAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH ARE BOATS, TO D IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO YOU SAY THIS IS A VERY ODD R, AND I SAY THAT'S CORRECT, BECAUS HOUSE IS ALMOST 100 YEARS OLD. IT WAS YEAR BEFORE MANY OF E HOUSE THAT ARE IN THE BUTLER BE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE ACTY RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE FOR MICKLERS . THIS IS ACTUALLY THE HOUSE SO IS LITERALLY ABOUT 1 FOOT OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE, WHICH IS THEY LINE. THE HOUSE IS ORIENTED TO THE WET BECAUSE IT FACES THE INTRACOAST. THIS IS THE FRONT YARD FROM A LAYPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU, BUT NOT THE CODE PERSPECTIVE, AS WHAT THE DIFFICULTY IS WITH THID THE HARDSHIP IS IN THIS CASE.
SO THE HOUSE FRONT PORCH IS HER. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE SIDE YARD E THIS IS THE GARAGE, AND IT FACES MICKLERS.
THEN THIS IS REALLY THE BACKYARE HOUSE WHERE THE BOATS ARE STOREY AND HAVE BEEN FOR 11 YEARS. THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT THE CODED
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I'LL SHOW YOU THAT -- THIS IS TE GRAPHIC.SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE HOUSE. THIS IS A SURVEY.
HERE'S THE GARAGE. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CONSIDERS THE T YARD BECAUSE THIS FACES MICKLER.
SO THIS IS TECHNICAL UNDER THE E FRONT YARD.
THIS IS THE SIDE YARD. AND THIS IS A SIDE YARD.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE DEVIATIONS FROM THE CODE WITH TS REQUEST, BECAUSE OF THE ORIENTAF THE HOUSE NOT MATCHING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF YOU WILL. SO HERE'S A GRAPHIC.
SO YOU SEE THIS IS THE -- AND IP IT THIS WAY.
SO YOU SEE THE INTRACOASTAL, MIS GOES DOWN.
THE PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE ACTUY PARKED IN THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY BEE THAT'S HOW THE HOME IS ORIENTED. BUT GOING BACK, HERE WHERE THE E STORED, THIS IS -- SO UNDER THE, THIS IS THE FRONT YARD OF THE HD THIS IS SIDE YARD, AND THE HOUSU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE BACK OF TH.
AND AGAIN YOU CAN SEE THAT HE'SY WELL SCREENED.
THE BOATS ARE BEHIND THE SCREEND THE BOATS ARE ABOUT 1 FOOT OFF E RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE, WHICH AGAIN S ABOUT THIS AREA.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE GOING DOWN MICKLERS, THE BOATERS SCREENED.
THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG T. THIS CAME ABOUT ONLY AS A CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT AGAINST A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER, ANDE ENFORCEMENT PRIDE INVESTIGATIONO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO CORRECS NON-CONFORMITY, IF YOU WILL. SO AGAIN, THE ARNOLD HOME FACESE WEST, SO IT FACES THE BA TAN ASE RIVER.
THE HOUSE THAT IS HAS BEEN THER0 YEARS AND LIES APPROXIMATELY 1 M THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE. SO THE ORIENTATION OF THE HOME T CREATES THE HARDSHIP VERSUS THED DEVELOPMENT CODE DEFINITION OF T YARD AND SIDE YARD. AND SO WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLE CONSIDER THESE FACTS IN DETERMIG THAT ACTUALLY THERE IS A HARDSHE THAT IS NOT SELF-IMPOSED AND ALW MR. ARNOLD TO CONTINUE TO STORES BOATS IN WHAT ARE REALLY HIS BAF HIS HOME, BUT IT WOULD BE THE SD UNDER THE CODE, AND IT IS IMPORO NOTE THAT THE VESSELS ARE LOCATD APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET SOUTH OF E PAVEMENT OF THE MIX LER RIGHT-OT ONLY -- MIX LER RIGHT-OF-WAY BUA FEW FEET SOUTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-E AND THEY ARE BUFFERED OR SCREENY THAT SHRUBBERY THAT I SHOWED YOE PICTURE EARLIER. MR. ARNOLD HAS DONE A LOT OF LE, AND SO WE'VE GOT THESE TWO LETTH SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKAGE FROM S ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS SAYINGY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE REQUES.
THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN IN PLACT LEAST 11 YEARS, AND IT SEEMS LOK EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY GETSG WELL AND IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OFE I SAID, MR. ARNOLD IS HERE AND N ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
>> ALL RIGHT. I DID NOT ASK IF ANY MEMBERS HAY
EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. >> I DO.
FIRST OF ALL, I DROVE BY THE PRY PLAS EVENING JUST TO HAVE A LOOT MYSELF, AND I ALSO WAS AT A PART NIGHT AND I SPOKE WITH MARK MARE AND ELAINE SEVERE. THEY WERE THE -- WROTE ONE OF TE LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, ANDT GENERALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, AND D THEY HAD NO PROBLEM, SO THEY'RES OF MINE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT I HAV. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF TE APPLICANT FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? DO WE HAVE ANY -- I HAVE ONE QU.
WHAT IS KEEPING THE BOATS FROM G MOVED BACK TO THE SOUTH SO THATE
A FOOT OFF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY? >> MR. ARNIL? I'M GOING TO ARNIL. I'M GOING TO LET HIM ANSWER THAE HE KNOWS HIS BOATS A LOT BETTERI DO.
>> THOMAS ARNOLD 341 MICKLERS R, ST. AUGUSTINE.
WHERE THEY'RE SITUATED RIGHT NOF THEY'RE MOVED BACK ANY FURTHER,E PREVIOUS OWNER PUT A LARGE BERMD SHRUBBERY AND PALM TREES BEHINDD I WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE A FEW TRD EXCAVATE THAT BERM OUT OF THE WO KEEP ME FROM MOVING IT BACK ANY. I CAN GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, BUTI WOULD -- OTHER THAN THAT, OTHERN HAVING TO CUT THE TREES DOWN, TE
THANK YOU, MR. ARNOLD. >> YES, SIR.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKE? >> WE DO NOT.
>> THEN WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGEA MOTION.
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>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVG VAIRIAN 2020-31 SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDINGS OFS PRESERVED IN THE THE STAFF REPO.
>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS.
SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION AMONG AGENCY MEM?
[Items 5 & 6]
SEEING NONE, DR. MCCORMICK, HOWU VOTE?>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES.
>> YES. >> MS. PERKINS VOTES YES.
THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEMS -- I THINK WE GOING TO TAKE 5 AND 6 TOGETHER. IF I HAVE THAT RIGHT.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO EX PARTE T I'M ASKING FOR EX PARTE ON 6 BEE
HEAR ABOUT IT. >> I HAD -- WHEN THIS ITEM WAS S PREVIOUSLY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO,D DRIVE OUT TO THE PROPERTY AND LT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I DIDO BACK THIS TIME.
>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I HAD A DISCUSSION YESTERDAYE WITH MR. INNATE U. NATE DAY FORW MINUTES.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE APPLICATIOND TALKED ABOUT WHAT CAME AFTER THT
BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEET. >> ANYONE ELSE?
>> YES. I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH NATE ONY AND WE BRIEFLY DISCUSSED THE APN AND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LASE
AND THIS TIME. >> AND I ALSO HAD A CONVERSATIO, PROBABLY TWO CONVERSATIONS WITHY AND AGAIN IT WAS ABOUT WHAT'S TD SINCE HE WENT BEFORE THE BOARD Y COMMISSIONERS AND GOT REMANDED O US, SO THAT'S MY DISCLOSURE. ALL RIGHT.
MR. DAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMED MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO THE CHAIR.
I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH A QUICK PRESENTATION.
I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT A LOT OFS BECAUSE I DO KNOW SOME OF YOU TS
THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE SEEN IT. >> WOULD YOU PULL THE MIC UP, N.
>> NO PROBLEM. SO I'L TRY TO QUICKLY GIVE AN OE VIEW AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT'SD SINCE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THIS PREVIOUSLY. OXFORDS ESTATES ASK AN EXISTING COMMUNITY. THESE ARE THE AMENITIES THAT IST THERE. IT IS CURRENTLY APPROVE THE FOR9 UNITS. WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD 31.
IT WOULD BRING THE TOTAL TO 320. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL OE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT IT IS, ITS PRIVATE AND GATED.
THIS IS THE CURRENT MAP SHOWING9 LOTS.
THERE IS -- THIS IS THE PROPOSEO YOU CAN SEE TO THE NORTH THERE E EAST SIDE OF LONG LEAF PINE PARS WHERE THE ADDITION IS BEING SOU.
IT WOULD UTILIZE THE SAME INTERL ROADWAY STRUCTURE, SAME DOCUMEN, WATER, SEWER, EVERYTHING. AND JUST A ZOOM CLOSE-UP SO YOUE THE PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT IG ADDED TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORH.
SO FROM THE PREVIOUS TIME BEFORE CAME, I MADE THIS -- YOU SAW THE SLIDE. IT WAS FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETI.
WE HAD MADE A FEW CHANGES TO WHE WERE PROPOSING, ONE OF WHICH IS- THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUTS TE GOING TO UTILIZE DURING RECONSTN SO THAT ALL OF OUR HEAVY TRAFFID EQUIPMENT DOES NOT COME THROUGHE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT WOULD COME OFFG LEAF PINE PARKWAY INTO THIS SECD EXIT THAT WAY SO WE'RE NOT BRING ADOPTION DUMP TRUCKS, LOATS W. D NOT COME THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHO. IT WOULD UTILIZE THESE POINTS FR RECONSTRUCTION ACCESS. AND WE ALSO AGREED, THE CURRENTS A SICKS SICKS OF MIXED OF 73 ANT WIDE LOTS.
WE DID AGREE, FOR AT LEAST THE S THAT YOU SEE THERE CIRCLED IN O, THAT THOSE WOULD ALL BE YEV FOO. AND THE MAP YOU HAVE NOW, THAT T IT IS ON THERE. IT IS THE WIDER LOTS BUT THAT'ST WE'RE AGREEING TO. TO DRESSES ADDRESS SOME OF THE , WHAT CHANGED WAS THERE WAS A LOF CUSHION GIVEN AT THE BOARD OF CY COMMISSION MEETING IN MY OPINIOD ON TWO MAIN THEMES, ONE BEING S, THE OTHER BEING THAT RESIDENTS O BOUGHT IN THERE, BOUGHT WITH BED ONE THING AND THEN THIS CHANGE G DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THEY PURCHAE HOME. LET ME RUN THROUGH AS MUCH AS IE YOU TO THAT EXTENT. IN REGARDS TO SAFETY, WHILE I DT THINK THE 31 HOMES THAT ARE BEID ARE CAUSING IN YOU SIGNIFICANT L SAFETY IMPACT, THE ROADS ARE DEO COUNTY STANDARDS, IT IS A SMALLR OF UNITS THAT ARE BEING ADDED, L ARE DOING A COUPLE THINGS WITH W PLAN TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF TH. ONE OF THEM IS WE ARE ADDING SPS IN THESE THREE LOCATIONS. THIS IS THE DESIGN, TALKING TO E TRAFFIC ENGINEER AT ST. JOHNS CY NECESSITY GAVE US TO UTILIZE, BS
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PART OF IT IS BEING APPROVED WED SPEED HOMES TO SLOW DOWN ANY.TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THIS PAR. WE WILL INSTALL SPEED LIMIT SIGE SPECIFICALLY AT THE ENTRANCE TO CLARENDON ROAD SO THAT ANYONE DN WILL KNOW WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT D TRY TO HELP SLOW THEM DOWN.
THEN WE'RE OFFERING TRACK D ON P IS NOW JUST OPEN SPACE.
WE ARE, AS PART OF THIS REVISIO, AGREEING TO PUT IN PLAY EQUIPME- PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR KIDS ST THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL SPOTS FON THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO . THIS IS ALREADY -- YOU CAN SEE E VERY BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORN WHET SAYS TRACT, THAT IS THE MAIN AMN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE ARE MUCH CLOSER TO OPEN F, DOG PARK. SO THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER ALTERNO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMM. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS BROUGHT THE MEETING WAS THAT HOMEOWNERSD THAT THEY WERE SOLD LOTS WITHOUY KNOWLEDGE OF A FUTURE EXPANSIONN HERE.
IT HAS ALWAYS WEAN OUR PLAN TO D THIS.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE PREVIY APPROVED MDP MAP WHEN WE CAME TN 2013 AND '15 IT SHOWED FUTURE CONNECTION.
THIS WAS ALWAYS A CONTEMPLATED E CONNECTION.
WE DIDN'T OWN THE LAND SETY AT E SO IT WAS NOT SOMETHING WE COULE BUT WE HAD BEEN IN TALKS TO PURE PART OF THIS WETLANDS.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE RECOD THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS HAD S LABEL SHOWING THAT THERE WHAT IE CONNECTION THROUGH THIS POINT.
AND A LOT OF THIS HAD COME BECAF THE TESTAMENT BCC.
THERE WERE TWO BUILDERS THAT SON HERE, PROGRESS HOME AND DAVID WY HOMES. THIS IS THE MAP THAT PROVE PS WHEN THEY WERE SELLING HOMES. I SHOW IT BECAUSE THE CUL-DE-SAE ARE EXPANDING HAS ALWAYS SHOWN R SALES MAP THAT THERE IS A ROAD G OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CUL-DC THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE TOE PROPERTY LINE. P.
IT'S CLEAR THAT THERE WAS ALWAYE CONTEMPLATED FUTURE EXPANSION PT CUL-DE-SAC. CAVED WEEKLY HAD THIS MAP AS OFP THAT SHOWED ONE OF THE FUTURE LP THEY'RE ONE OF THE BUILDERS THAS GOING TO BE BUILDING IN THE NEW, SO THEY HAD UPDATED THEIR MAP.
THIS WAS IN THEIR SALES CENTER S THE MAP THEY WERE USING AS FAR S ARCH 2019. THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY GIS.
THE COUNTY GIS HAS ALWAYS HAD RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ROAD EXPANDND T THE CUL-DE-SAC THROUGH THE DEVET EDGE ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERT.
ANYONE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO S WOULD HAVE SEEN THIS ON THE MAP.
AND THEN THE RECORDED PLAT ALWAE CUL-DE-SAC THROUGH THE DEVELOPME TO THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. ANY PLACE THAT YOU COULD HAVE GO FIGURE OUT IS THERE ANYTHING THR GOING TO HAPPEN HERE WOULD HAVEN SOME INDICATION OR SOME DISPLAYT THERE WAS FUTURE EXPANSION GOINN HERE. THE OTHER THING THAT I DO WANT G UP BECAUSE THERE WAS TESTIMONY T PEOPLE WERE -- PEOPLE PAID A PRR A CUL-DE-SAC LOT, THIS IS THE PE PRICE LIST.
IT'S A PRICE LIST THEY'VE USED R EVERYTHING.
IT'S GOT EVERY LOT AND IT'S GOTM THAT ARE PAID FOR EVERY LOT, SOY LOT HAS A PREMIUM EXCEPT IN THIE LOT NUMBER 50.
BUT YOU PAY A PREMIUM FOR EVERYD THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS FOR TE PREMIUMS. THE ONLY LOT THAT WAS EVER LABEA CUL-DE-SAC OR CHARGED A CUL-DE-C PREMIUM WOULD BE LOT 19 WHICH IA CUL-DE-SAC. IT'S NO CHANGING.
NOIVET THE OTHER LOTS WERE SOLDS 23, 91, HAD ANY CUL-DE-SAC PREMR ANY INDICATION IT WAS A CUL-DE-N LOT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GUYS UND THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THATE WAS EVER ANY IDEA THAT THERE WOE SOME FUTURE EXPANSION HERE.
IT WAS ALWAYS COMMUNICATED WITHE WE INTERACTED WP.
LAST SLIDE I'LL SHOW YOU REAL Q. THESE ARE THE HEARING DATES WE D SO FAR FOR THIS COMPREHENSIVE PN AMENDMENT AND THE MAJOR MODIFIC.
WE SUBMITTED THIS THING BACK IN. YOU CAN SEE THAT MARCH OF 2020 E FIRST TIME THAT WE HEARD THIS WT CAME THROUGH FOR TRANSMITTAL.
THE SIGNS FOR THIS WERE POSTED Y OF 2020 UP THROUGH ALL THE HEARG DATES, JUST LIKE THEY ARE FOR EY HEARING THAT WE HAVE.
A NUMBER OF THE RESIDENTS THAT Y DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING T KNOW THIS HAD BEEN -- WAS GOINGO HAPPEN WOULD HAVE CLOSED ON THES AFTER THIS DATE, SO THERE WOULDE BEEN SIGNS POSTED, THERE WOULD N HEARINGS HAPPENING, THERE WOULDE BEEN PLENTY OF ACTIVITY AND INDN THAT THERE WAS FUTURE DEVELOPMEG ON HERE.
I WILL SAY, TOO, THAT THIS AREAA TON OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING RI.
I NO HE WILL OH HAS SUBMITTED FO HAS SUBMITTED A COMPREHENSIVE PD
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PUD FOR THE MAJORITY OF HIS LAN. YOU'VE GOT ABERDEEN.YOU'VE GOT OXFORD. THIS IS AN AREA OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN COMMUNICATEDN TALKING TO THE SALES AGENTS THAY TIME THEY SPOKE WITH ANYONE ABOS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE NORTH, IS "WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC INFORMAT IN FACT THERE WILL BE HOMES HERE POINT." IT IS LAND THAT IS KIND OF IN TU KNOW, HIGH DEMAND NORTHWEST SECF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.
I'LL LEAVE AT THAT. I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF RESIS HERE OR OTHER NEIGHBORS THEY'REO SPEAK, SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWR QUESTIONS NOW OR ANSWER ANY QUES AFTER THE FACT.
THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYBODY IN THE AGENCY HY QUESTIONS? DR. HILSENBECK.
>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. >> I COULD TELL WITH THE LOOK OR
FACE. >> WELL, I HAVE SEVERAL.
CONCERNING THE PREMIUMS THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PAID, YOU MENTION9 PERHAPS WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT PA PREMIUM.
WHY DID THEY PAY A PREMIUM? >> SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, E PAID A PREMIUM. THE WAY THE BUILDERS -- AND WE'T THE BUILDERS. WE'RE THE DEVELOPER.
WE SELL THE LOTS TO THE BUILDER. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PRICED THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS. THEY BUY THEM FROM US AT THE SAT FOR ALL OF THEM. SO EVERY LOT HAD A PREMIUM.
I'M NOT SAYING -- EVERYONE PAIDA PREMIUM FOR SOMETHING.
THERE'S LAKE PREMIUM, CONSERVATN PREMIUM.
THEY ASSESS DIFFERENT PREMIUMS R DIFFERENT LOTS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE WAS NEN INDICATION OR A PROMISE THAT ANE OTHER LOTS WERE CUL-DE-SAC LOTS. THE ONLY LOT THAT HAD A CUL-DE-C PREMIUM ON THEIR PRICE LIST WOUE BEEN LOT 19, WHICH IS AT A CUL-C THAT THAT HAS NOT EVER HAD ANY CONTED
FUTURE EXPANSION OUT OF IT. >> OKAY.
CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT WITH YOUR POINTER.
I CAN'T QUITE SEE IT. IT'S THAT ONE RIGHT THERE?
I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE IT. >> SO THE RED CIRCLE IS LOT 19 D
THERE'S A LION TO THE LOT. >> THAT'S THE END OF CLARENDON?
>> CORRECT.% AND THE REST OF THE PREMIUMS ONF THE LOTS WERE SOME COMBINATION F CONSERVATION OR BEING OVERSIZEDA LAKE, AND SO DEPENDING ON WHAT Y DECIDE.
THEY ASSESS DIFFERENT PREMIUMS. >> OKAY.
I WILL SAY THAT IF I HAD LOOKEDE MAPS, IF I HAD BEEN A HOME BUYEG AT THOSE MAPS, I WOULDN'T NECESY HAVE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOIE A ROAD PUT THROUGH THERE. AND YOU HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, AS IS A COUPLE MONTHS BACK OR SIX , WHENEVE IT WAS HERE, THAT YOU HO PUT IN THE -- BECAUSE I HAD ASKU ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS AND THE CURT ARE RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF TE CUL-DE-SACS, AND YOU SAID WELL,D TO PUT THOSE IN. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN THAT MIGHT LEAD A HOMEOWNER TO E WHEN THERE'S A FINISHED SIDEWALD CURBS THAT THAT WAS THE FINISHE? BUT YOU SAID YOU HAD TO PUT THE.
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, AND F COULD MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WT THE -- ANY TIME YOU'RE DOING A D DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE E CURRENT PHASE SUCH THAT IF THE R GOES BROKE AND IS GONE, YOU'RE K WITH SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEEE CURRENT CODE IF NOTHING WAS EVEE PAST THAT PHASE, SO YOU'LL SEE,U KNOW, LIKE THE BIG ROUNDABOUTS.
YOU HAVE TO BUT A ROUND ABOUT SE CAN COME AND TURN AROUND.
AFTER THE FIRE YOU HAVE TO CUT . ANY CUL-DE-SAC THAT ALLOWED THEK TO AM COULD AROUND WHICH IS ON R STANDARD DESIGN, WE HAVE TO PUTN SUCH SUCH AS IF THAT PHASE IS NR ADDED, IMLIEWF HAVE YOU'VE GOT A FINISHED PRODUCT THAT THE COUNTD ACCEPT AS IF THERE WAS NO EXPANN THERE. SO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO THE CUL-DE-SAC. THEY REQUIRE YOU TO DO PUT ANY K IN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PUT IN. THE STREET LIGHTS WERE PUT IN BE ONE ON THAT ONE DOES NOT COME AE CORNER.
IT GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE WOODSE IT IS ON THE SAME LINE OF THE EN THAT WOULD GO THERE. SO YOU'LL SEE, IF YOU GO OUT TH, THERE IS ONE OF THE STREET LIGHT KIND OF GOES OFF INTO THE WOODSE
BIT WHERE THE ROAD WOULD GO. >> I SAW THAT.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THE COUNTY COULD CORRECT ME IF M WRONG, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAS IN A PHASED DEVELOPMENT.
>> CONCERNING THE TOP LOT, THATL IN PLAY? THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF DARREN N AND OLD HAIL WAY WHERE YOU TURNO CLARENDON AND HALE WAY IT'S A TA RECREATIONAL AREA FOR CHILDREN.
>> IT IS. AND AS PART OF OUR REVISE MDP TE HAVE PUT IN SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TT SPECIFIC TOT LOT WILL HAVE PLAYT EQUIPMENT FOR KIDS. THE EXHIBIT I SHOWED BUT STREETS AND THE STREET SIGN AND THE THEE OF THE TOT LOT IS ACTUALLY AN EO THE MDP TEXT THAT'S REFERENCED S THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL THINGS TE BEING DONE FOR THIS ADDITION, TR MODIFICATION, SO WE ARE COMMITTD PUTTING IT INTO THE WRITTEN DESN THAT THAT TOT LOT WILL BE IMPROE
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PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND NOT JUE OPEN BASTE SPACE.>> I HAVE NOTE BEEN OUT TO THE A COUPLE OF MONTHS SO I DON'T KNOT THE STATUS OF NAS. HAS THAT BEEN DEVELOPED ALREADY? DOES THAT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OND THE AMENITIES?
>> NO, IT DOES NOT. >> WHY THE DELAY ON THAT?
>> MOST OF IT IS BECAUSE IT'S RD TOITD MAJOR MODIFICATION THAT'SE YOU TODAY AND WAITING ON THE OUF THIS HEARING AND THE BOARD OF CY
COMMISSION HEARING. >> DO YOU THINK THAT'S A SAFE LN AND THAT SAFETY WILL NOT BE A FF YOU HAVE 31 MORE HOMES THAT PEOE DRIVING IN AND OUT OF THERE EVEY WILL BE GOING RIGHT BEE I. BY T?
EVEN WITH SPEED HUMPS? >> SO I MEAN, IN MAI OPINION IT.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SIMILAR TN THE WEST SIDE OF LONG LEAF PINE.
WE HAVE 132 LOTS THAT ARE PART S NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE WEST SIDE, F YOU COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANE SOUTH THERE'S A TOT LOT THAT'S N THE CORNER AND I BELIEVE THERE'E THAN 31 LOTS PAST IT.
IT GETS USED AND IT'S SAFE. IT'S OUT OF THE RITCHIE OF THE E TO GET A PERMIT TO PUT IN IT ANT FAR ENOUGH BACK THAT YOU DON'T S MAKE PLAYING UP NEAR THE ROAD. IT PROVIDES SOME PLACE FOR KIDSY OTHER THAN THE STREET OR THE ENE CUL-DE-SAC.
>> OKAY. IF YOU DO DEVELOP THESE 31 NEW S BACK THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE, TE RECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, EQUIPMO FORTH, ALL THE MATERIALS ARE GOE BROUGHT IN OFF OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY, IS THAT CORRECT, TO THE NORTHWEST THERE? THEY'RE GOING TO BE BROUGHT? THAT WAY?
>> JUST SO IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE IT WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING BE MISUND, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY, ANYTHING RELATED TO THE INFRASTE THAT'S PUT IN THERE, ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO COME IN OG LEAF PINE PARKWAY. ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED AND FINISHEO THE EXTENT WE CAN WITH THE FINID THERE, WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND LE SORT OF STABILIZED ACCESS, BUT E RECONSTRUCTION, THERE'S NOT A WH THE DESIGN FOR ME TO SAY THAT TE RECONSTRUCTION ASPECT WILL BE TH THOSE RECONSTRUCTION POINTS. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO.
BUT MOST OF THE HOME RECONSTRUCS GOING TO HAPPEN THE WAY ALL THEF THE HOME RECONSTRUCTION DOES WHS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS.
BUT DUMP TRUCKS, IF THERE'S ANYT HAVING TO COME INTO THE SITE, LE SITE, ALL OF THE BIG HEAVY EQUIT THAT HAS TO GO IN THERE TO DO TG HEAVY DIGGING OR THE INFRASTRUCS GOING TO COME IN OFF THOSE
RECONSTRUCTION ACCESS POINTS. >> SO I JUST RECALL YOU -- MAYBM WRONG ON THIS -- THAT YOU STATEE LAST TIME THIS WAS BEFORE THE PT THE RECONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC WAS N OFF LONG LEAF PARKWAY.
>> RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO BE LEAR WHN BY RECONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC BECAUI DON'T WANT IT TO BE SEEN AS -- R STANDPOINT, THE RECONSTRUCTION C IS THE RECONSTRUCTION AS IT RELO THE SPHRAWF AND THE CONSTRUCTIN- INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CONSTRUCF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONCE THE LOTS ARE SOLD AND A BUS A LOT AND BUILDS A HOUSE, THEY'E THE OPTION OF BRINGING IN THEIR RECONSTRUCTION THROUGH EITHER TN ROADS OR IF WE CAN LEAVE A STABD AREA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO O BUT IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THE APPROVED AS A SECONDARY ACCESS E NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICAT. WHEN YOU SAID "RECONSTRUCTION T" I JUST ASSUMED BECAUSE THERE WAO FURTHER ELABORATION THE LAST TIT THAT WAS ALL THE RECONSTRUCTION. SO THEN THE ACTUAL BUILDING OF E HOMES, ALL PEOPLE COMING IN TO D THOSE HOMES BE GOING TO COME RIP CLARINTON AND TURN ONTO OLD HAL. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF TRARVR
QUITE A WHILE. >> SIMILAR TO THE REST OF NEIGH, THE SAME 1-800-BUILDS OUT WITH E BE RECONSTRUCTION FOR THE HOMES.
>> WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, THERE E STILL SOME HOMES BEING COMPLETED THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THERT OF VEHICLES PARKED ALONG THE SIE ROAD. YOU SAID THEY'RE STANDARD CODE,M I'M SURE THEY ARE, BUT WITH VEH, TRUCKS PARKED ALONG THERE, IT'SY NARROW ONE-LANE SITUATION HAS TN AND OUT OF THERE.
SO I SEE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COMN AND OUT OF THERE, NOT TO MENTIOE RESIDENTS. AND THEN THERE'S JUST NO WAY YON ACCESS THIS FOR RESIDENTS COMINF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY?
>> SO WE HAD OUR ENGINEER PUT TA FEW CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT WOULDT THIS COMING FROM LONG LEAF PINE. WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS ONE OO THINGS, EITHER WE HAVE TO MOVE D UP INTO THE WETLAND AND HAVE A Y SIGNIFICANT WETLAND IMPACT AND L OF WETLANDS VEGETATION AND HABIR YOU END UPY REDUCING THE NUMBERS BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AS WELLS ADDITIONAL ROADWAY THAT YOU HAV. IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP WHERE THD IS, THAT EXTENT OF ROAD WOULD HE PUT IN AS WELL AS IMPROVEMENTS G
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LEAF PINE PARKWAY, IN AND OUT, R TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE RD BY THE COUNTY. THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT E PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. WE RAN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BUTENDED UP MAKING THE ADDITION UN. >> OKAY.
SO IT'S BOILING DOWN TO A COST R HERE.
>> YES. WE CAN'T BUY THE LAND AND DEVELE LOTS AND LOSE MONEY. THIS HAD ALWAYS BEEN CONTEMPLATO COME IN THIS WAY. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A STAND F PLANNING PURPOSES, THIS IS THE T LOGICAL THING.
IT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WILL BE VERY NICE HOMES FROME
BUILDERS THAT ARE GOING IN THER. >> I'M SURE THEY'RE NICE.
>> ANYWAY. >> MENTIONING LONG LEAF PINE PA.
DID WATCH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING WHEN THISS HEARD. I WAS WATCHING ON TELEVISION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS STATED THAT LOF PINE PARKWAY, A SEGMENT IN THERT ENCOMPASSES YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OS JUST SOUTH OF THERE IS AT OR NER CONCURRENCY WITNESS , PERHAP. IS THAT CORRECT?
THE STAFF REPORT MENTIONED SOMEO THAT EFFECT, AND THE COUNTY MAYE TO CLARIFY. I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT, THERES DISCUSSION, AND WE HAVE TO GO TH THE CONCURRENCY PROCESS WHEN WEO RECONSTRUCTION PLANS, AND WE'LLO ADDRESS WHATEVER CAPACITY ISSUEE
MIGHT BE AT THAT POINT. >> OKAY.
>> MR. ALAIMO, ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO NOT.
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY Q? YES, MR. MILLER.
>> JUST A FEW. MR. DAY, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IS PROJECT FOR OXFORD ESTATES FOR R ENTIRE LIFE OF THE DEVELOPMENT 3
WHEN IT WAS APPROVED. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> AND THAT WAS A COMP PLAN CHAM RURAL CIVIL COURAGE OF TO REST .
>> THAT WAS THE SAME PREVIOUS LE AND BAER GOING TO THE SAME CURRD USE THAT THE REST OF THE NEIGHBD IS.
>> HOW MANY LOTS WAS THAT? >> WE STARTED OFF WITH 103 ON TT SIDE WHICH IS ALL WE HAD, COMPRE PLAN BEFORE WE STILL HAD TO GO E ZONING PROCESS. WE HAD 30 LOTS TO THE SOUTH THED THEN WE ADDED 100 -- I'M GOING E TO DO THE MATH.
>> THAT'S WHEN YOU CAME IN IN 2E SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
>> WAS TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL LOD ADD THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD TO TH.
>> WHEN YOU DID THAT, YOU OBVIOD TO MEET TRAFFIC CONCURRENCY AT T
WE ENTERED INTO I THINK AT THIST THREE DIFFERENT PROPORTIONATE FE AGREEMENTS FOR THE DIFFERENT PHT THIS PROJECT HAS TAKEN OVER THEF IT, AND PAID OUR PROPORTIONATE F THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS.
>> WHEN YOU DID THE 2013 PUD ANN AMENDED IT TO INCLUDE THE OTHERS HOMES ON THE EAST SIDE, DID YOUO PUT ANY TRAFFIC HOMING DEVICES E
FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEERS STANDPT THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WARRAS PUTTING IN TRAFFIC CALMING DEVI. IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TRYING TOT SOME OF THE CONCERN OR FEAR THAE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL SAFETY CONC.
>> BUT YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT 1 HOMES.
>> CORRECT. >> AND THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONE
AT THIS TIME. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTI? IF NOT, WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PC SPEAKING.
>> JUST A REMINDER, YOU HAVE THE MINUTES AND PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLO
THE MICROPHONE. >> AND WHEN YOU COME FORWARD YOE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. FIRST SPEAKER IS AUSTIN SMITH, D PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS AUSTIN SITH I LIVE AY BLACKWELLY ROAD WHICH IS ACTUALE OTHER SIDE OF THIS COMMUNITY. SAME DEVELOPMENT SIDE BUT DIFFEM CLARENDON. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE IN CLARENDON.
IT IS LITTERED WITH CHILDREN, NA BAD WAY BUT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAI KIDS. IT DREW ME AND LIKE TWIE THE OTR PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IF YOU COME INTO INTO ST. JOS COMMUNITY GIEBTS FULL OF CHILDR. CHILDREN PLAY.
CHILDREN USE CLARENDON TO GET TR AMENITIES AND THEIR OTHER FRIENE UP AND DOWN CLARENDON ROAD. IT IS A STRAIGHT ROAD YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO GO FASTER DOWN CLARN THAN YOU WOULD SOME OF THE OTHEI THINK THE STRUCTURE THAT WAS BUT ORIGINALLY WAS NOT BUILT TO ADD1 ADDITIONAL HOMES. I CAN TELL YOU TODAY THAT THE CT MCMANGEMENT COMPANY AS WELL AS Y HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE TE SATISFACTION THINGS THAT THEY ST THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD.
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THE TOT LOT THAT YOU BROUGHT UPN GENERAL WAS ALWAYS SOLD AS A TO.THE VERY GRAPHICS THAT HE PUT OE SCREEN FOR YOU GUYS SHOWED IT AT LOT BUT IT IS NOTHING BUT ABOUTA A GRASS UNIRRIGATED AND HE IS TG YOU TODAY HE WILL ONLY PUT IN PY EQUIPMENT IN THE HOMEOWNERS ANDS ALLOW HUM TO PUT IN 31 OTHER HO. THAT WAS PROMISED THE TO OTHER S THAT ORIGINALLY BOUGHT AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS HAVING SES PROBLEMS KEEPING UP WITH ARC RES WHICH ACOUNT ORE FOR PEOPLE GETG AUTOMATED APPROVALS ON PAINTING, CHANGING STRUCTURES, CHANGING P, CHANGING EVERYTHING IN AND ABOUR HOMES BECAUSE THE MANAGEMENT COY SIMPLY CANNOT KEEP UP WP AMOUNTF RESIDENTS THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IE COMMUNITY. ALL OF THESE ARE CONCERNS WHEN K ABOUT ADDING 31 ADDITIONAL LOTSS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SPET OFTEN -- OR THE REAL ROOT ISSUE.
THE SPEED BUMPS, I'M SURE EACH Y ONE OF YOU IF YOU BOUGHT A HOMEA ROAD THAT YOU TRAVELED EVERY DAT ENJOY TO GO OVER SPEED BUMPS ASO HOME. IF YOU BOUGHT A HOME ON THAT ROD THEY WERE ADDED AFTER THE FACT Y FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T S OUT FROM THE GET-GO FURTHER WOUE FRUSTRATING.
HOWEVER, A CHILD BEING HIT BY AR GOING 5 MILES AN HOUR, GOING 10N HOUR, GOING 15 FOWNLS MILES AN , GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR ARE ALL O BE DETRIMENTAL TO THAT CHILD. AN ADULT CAN TAKE IT MUCH BETTE.
THE CHILDREN THAT ARE PLAYING ID AROUND THAT STREET HAVE NO BUSIH AN EXTRA AVERAGE 62 CARS TRAVELP AND DOWN THAT ROAD EVERY DAY, AY THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE AND COMEF THEY DO NOTHING ELSE IN THEIR DY ROUTINE, WHICH MINE IS TAKING MY CHILDREN TO EXTRA CONSTRUCTION R SPORTS, EXTRACURRICULAR ACTS OF. I'M LEAVING AND COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE ADVERTISEMENTS.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN AVERAE HOUSEHOLD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY OO CARS PER HOME, AVERAGE CHILD OAS OF FOUR CHILDREN PER HOME, YOU O A LOT OF ISSUES HERE THAT COULDE DETRIMENTAL FOR THESE CHILDREN E
31 LOTS ARE APPROVED. >> THANK YOU.
OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS JOURNAL JEN.
>> MY NAME IS JENNIFERWOOD I LE8 CLARENDON.
THE LOT THAT WAS SHOWN WHO THATP THERE.
I'VE LIVED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY,, AND ROYAL GOLF VILLAGE AND MY HD AND I HAVE SPENT SEVERAL YEARS G FOR OUR-FOR-HOME FOUR OUR FOUR S THE AGE OF SEVEN. WHEN WE FOUND OXFORD ESTATES WET WE FOUND OUR GOLDEN EGG. WE THOUGHT WE WERE ON A QUIET SD SAW LOTS OF KIDS PLAYING AND WEE LATTER HALF OF THE STREET BEINGT AND THOUGHT THE RECONSTRUCTION . ANY GIVEN DAY WHEN YOU GO TOWN R STREET THERE ARE BETWEEN FIVE A5 CHILDREN OUT THERE.
THE PARENTS ARE OUT THERE WATCHT I. THAT CAN'T ALWAYS KEEP THEM .
SO ADDING ALL THESE EXTRA HOMESE BELIEVED WE WERE MOVING INTO A CUL-DE-SAC STREET AND SECOND ONE WAY, A SECOND CUL-DE-SAC WE THOE WERE CHOOSING A SAFE SPOT, SO ID REALLY REQUEST ASK FOR YOU TO RR APPROVING HALL THESE EXTRA SPAC. THANK YOU.
I LIVE AT 44 OLD WHALE. MY NAME IS PAMELA CREST.
AND WHEN I BOUGHT THAT HOME, I W THERE WOULD BE AN AN EXPANSIO.
I WAS ONE THAT KNEW IT. DAVID WEEKLY HAD SAID OHY.
HOWEVER I ASSUMED THEY WOULD ALE 83-FOOT LOTS, NOT 73-FOOT LOTS,T SHORTER, AND THE SIGN ALSO SAYST LOTS.
AND SO YOU TAKE THIS NICE SUBDIN WITH NICE HOMES, SOMEWHAT SPACE, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TL CRUNCHED IN, YOU'RE HAVING ALL S TRAFFIC. I'M A GRANDMOTHER AND I FEEL LIA GRANDMOTHER TO THE WHOLE COMMUND EVERY TIME I LOOK AROUND THERE'R PREGNANT WOMAN, AND SO YOU'RE GO HAVE A LOT OF KIDS IN THIS COMM.
WEE DON'T NEED ADDED TRAFFIC. WE DON'T NEED SPEED BUMPS.
SPEED BUMPS TO ME, WHEN KIDS ARG THEIR BIKE AND NOT PAYING ATTENN THEY'RE GOING TO WIPE OUT. MY LITTLE GRANDDAUGHTER GOES WIR FOUR ORE WHEELER DOWN THE ROAD N SEE HER GETTING HURT BECAUSE OFE STUPID SPEED HUPS. MY GRANDSON WAS RUNNING AND FOAE AND SMASHED HIS FACE UP PRETTY . THAT TOT LOT I WAS TOLD WAS FOWI GOING TO BE A NICE ISSUE GATED D TOYS.
I DIDN'T MOVE NEXT DOOR TO HAVE. WHEN YOU TURN I'M THAT FIRST LOT AFTER THE TOT LOT. SO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
I APPRECIATE IT. >> NEXT SPEAKER.
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MY NAME IS RHONDA HEAD. I LIVE AT 51 CLARENDON ROAD.
I LIVE WHERE THAT FIRST SPEED BS PROPOSED.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN. ONE OF THEM IS HERE WITH ME TOD.
HE IS ADHD. I HAVE TWO TWINS THAT ARE FIVE Y ARE BOTH AUTISTIC. I SPOKE LAST TIME AT THE BOARD G ABOUT THE SAFETY AND CONCERN OFY CHILDREN ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHR CHILDREN ON OUR STREET. THE SPEED BUMP, IT WAS UNDER MY IMPRESSION THAT FROM OUR LAST MG THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THE COMMUY WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IN ORDER T TO HAPPEN ON ANY LEVEL BECAUSE S NOT PRESENTED IN THE ORIGINAL P. FROM NATE DAY.
IF HE WANTS TO PUT IN THESE EXT, GIVE THEM A SEPARATE ENTRANCE.
LONG LEAF PARKWAY IS SLOTTED TOE TURNED INTO A FOUR-LANE SOON INE YEARS TO AM COULD, SO IT WILL ACCOMMODATION HIM ADDING A THIRD ENTRANCE FOR THESE 31 HOMES. FINISH OUT THE CUL-DE-SAC ON OLE WAY WITH 93-FOOT LOTS AND MADE W SECTION WITH A THIRD ENTRANCE OF LONG LEAF TO THE AVOID MAKING UN ARTERIAL ROADWAY TO THESE 31 HOD MAKE THEM ALL 83-FOOT LOT HOMES. WE ALL PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR Y NICE COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE UNDE IMPRESSION WHAT WAS BUILT OR WHW WAS ALL THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPE. I'M SORRY THAT WE DIDN'T GO DIGG THROUGH RECORDS TO SEE WHAT FUTE DEVELOPMENT COULD BE THERE WHENE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY WERE G TO BE CUL-DE-SAC ROADS BECAUSE A FINISHED CUL-DE-SAC WITH A NICEK AND NICE CURB APPEAL.
AS FAR AS THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMG THERE, I'M WITH MS. PAM.
SHE IS A GRANDMOTHER TO ALL OF R CHILDREN.
AND HAVING THAT PLAYGROUND EQUIT RIGHT THERE, I COULD SEE HOW THD BE BOTHERSOME TO HER. THE CHILDREN DO HAVE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT THE AMENITY CENTER. WE JUST ASK THAT HE IR IMAITS ID PUTS SOME -- IR GATES AND IT PUE NICE GRASS ON THAT LOT.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PAID PREM MONEY FOR THOSE CUL-DE-SAC LOTSI KNOW THIS BECAUSE MY HUSBAND ANI CONSIDERED CONSIDERED BUYING TH, IT'S NOT FAIR TO ANY OF THEM BEE THEY PAID EXTRA MONEY TO I LOVEA CUL-DE-SAC. SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF OUR CONCERD SAY NO TO THIS HAPPENING.
THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS TONY PRESSIC.
>> 31 OLD HALE WAY. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR SEEING ME.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SIT THERE ANDN TO THIS, BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHE FACTS ARE WITH THIS PREMIUM FIRD BECAUSE NATE DAY DOES NOT KNOW.
IF HE DOES KNOW, HE'S NOT TELLIE TRUTH.
PROVIDENCE HOME, WHAT PROVIDENCE DID TO US AT THE LAST MINUTE AFR JANUARY 1ST OF 2020, WHEN THEY E PULLING OUT AND THEY HAD THREE S LEFT, I BOUGHT ONE. ON HOLD OLD HALE.
THEY STOPPED TELLING PEOPLE ABOS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
YES, THEY TOLD PEOPLE BACK IN 2E WAS GOING TO BE DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THEY STOPPED BECAUSE THEY D OUT.
EITHER HE KNEW OR HE DIDN'T KNOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW, BUT THEE FOUND THIS INFORMATION.
PROVIDENCE HOMES INSIDE DIFFEREN WITH DAVID WEEKLY.
PROVIDENCE HOMES HAD THAT DIAGRT WHAT HE DIDN'T SHOW YOU WAS THET LINING SAID LINE SAID PRESERVE.
LINE PRESERVE. DIDN'T SHOW THAT TO YOU.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS. SHELL GAME.
WHY WE CAME BACK TO GET TO YOU,E NORTHWEST COMMUNITY MEETING THAO BE RESCHEDULED BECAUSE HE DIDN'E SIGNS UP.
DIDN'T PUT THAT UP THERE, EITHE. DID HE? TIRED OF IT. SICK OF IT.
HE DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING. TIME FOR YOU TO DO THE RIGHT TH.
KIDS ARE IN DANGER. HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT A SAFETY .
HE'S NOT LIVING THERE! I'M SERIOUS.
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>> NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLY PRESSI. >> MY NAME IS KELL PRICIC I LIV1 OLD HALE WAY BUT IF YOU LOOK THY DEAS IT'S GOING TO COME TO 20 TR CLARENDON BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH NS WE SHOULD KNOW THINGS, OUR ADDRS DOESN'T EVEN EXIST WITHIN ST. JS COUNTY.
WE CAN'T GET TAKE-OUT OR ANYTHIO FIGURE THAT.
ANYWAY WHEN MY HUSBAND TOOK ME O SURPRISE ME AFTER AIR GRANDSON N WE FIGURED ON YOU CUL-DE-SAC WAT SAFE ENOUGH AND THERE WERE AT L8 HOUSES PAST OUR STREET SO HE WET CONSIDER THAT SAFE ENOUGH SO WED OUR FOREVER HOME ON TWO SUDDENLY CUL-DE-SACS.
THAT WAS NOT THE IMAGE THAT NAT. THAT WAS NOT WHAT WE SAW WHEN WD IN PROVIDENCE. AND WE SAW WAS YOU FINISHED CULC WITH PRESERVE. NATE'S DRAWING SAID THAT OUR CUC CONTINUED EVEN IN THE DRAWING, E REAL ESTATE OFFICE, WHICH IS NO.
WE DID PAY A PREMIUM FOR LIVINGN CUL-DE-SAC.
I DON'T CARE WHAT NATE PULLED UU I COULD BRING IN MY PAPERWORK AW YOU. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A FOREVER.
I MOVED OFF A CUL-DE-SAC ONTO AE WITH TWO CUL-DE-SACS.
SUPPOSED TO HAVE A TOT LOT ACROE TREAT.
NOW, IF YOU PUNCH IT YOU THE ONT IN 32 HOLMES,Y IF EACH HOUSE HAO DRIVERS THAT'S A MINIMUM OF 62 S GOING PAST MY HOUSE, NOT MENTIO, NOT MENTIONING MAIDS, NOT MENTIG AMAZON, NOT MENTIONING ALL THE - ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVING FENS BITTEL PILT, POOLS BUILT.
THERE'S GOING TO BE LITERALLY 4S GOING PAST MY HOUSE IF YOU PUT 1 HOUSES BEEN ALL OF THOSE TRIPS L THOSE DRIVERS BECAUSE OUR HOUSEE ALONE MAKE ABOUT 30 OR 40 TRIPSP AND DOWN BUT WE GO THE SPEED LID WE KNOW THERE'S CHILDREN. MY GRANDSON IS FRIENDS WITH RHOA HEAD'S' CHILD. HE HAS TO WALK UP OLD HALE AND G CLARENDON TO GET TO ROND'S AS YE AND WITH THOSE NEW HOUSES PROPO, THAT'S PUTTING MY GRAND SINUS LT SERIOUS DANGER.
SPEED BUMPS DID NOT WORK. I'M A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER.
I CAN TELL YOU SEVERAL SITUATIOE I'VE HANDLED CHILDREN STRUCK IND BUMP NEIGHBORHOOD. SOCK? THEY DO NOT WORK. THEY HARM OUR CARS.
WE DO NOT WANT SPEED BUMPS. WE WOULD HAVE MOVED INTO A NEIGD WITH SPEED BUMPS. HE DID OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE FOUND A HOME ON TWO CUL-DE-S. OUR REPRESENTATIVE IN THE OFFICT PROVIDENCE SAID TO US, QUOTE, NY OR MAY NOT FINISH BUILDING OUT E CUL-DE-SAC, MEANING FIVE MORE HN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
OKAY? SO LIKE MY HUSBAND SAID, WE'RE F THIS. WE'RE REALLY TIRED OF THIS.
YOU CAN GIVE ME MY OLD HOUSE BAN WORTHINGTON PARKWAY, PLEASE, BEI WOULD NOT HAVE MOVED. THIS IS MY FOREVER HOME.
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MY FOREVE, AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE MOVED.
SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? WE HAVE TO JUST LIVE WITH, OH, , THAT'S JUST TOO BAD. YOUR WHOLE DREAMS FOR YOUR NUT E NOW. THANK YOU.
-- FOR YOUR FUTURE ARE GONE NOW. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS KIM REWARDEN.
HI, KIM KIMBERLY ROOTING I'M AT2 CLARENDON, I'M THE ONE ADJACENTE INFAMOUS TOT LOT. SO WHERE DO I BEGIN? WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF THE EXPANN WHICH WE'RE ALL HOPING THAT IT T PASS. IF IT DOES, WE REALLY STRONGLY T WE CAN CONSIDER ANOTHER GATE, LU MENTIONED, SO THANK YOU SO MUCHR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE THAT'ST POINT.
HE ONLY WANTS TO DO IT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE THAT'S BG BUILT, AND ALMOST EVERYONE IN TE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE SHE SAID IS PG POOLS IN.
THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH. AGAIN, SPEED BUMPS DON'T WORK, Y POINTED OUT. AND, YES, PAM IS MY MOTHER SO TY IS TRUE ABOUT HER SON TRIPPING. YES, HE GOT ALL SCRAPED UP.
THEY'RE NOT -- THAT'S NOT GOINGE THE ANSWER.
SO I REALLY HOPE YOU RECONSIDERR THOSE REASONS.
SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE. THERE'S A TON OF KIDS.
I'M NOT GOING TO REITERATE WHATE ELSE REITERATED.
I WILL MENTION ON THE TOT LOT, E CAN CONFIRM THIS BECAUSE I BLEWS EMAIL. IT'S ALMOST BEEN A YEAR BECAUSEE CLOSED AT THE END OF JULY, AND T BRING PICTURES.
I SHOULD HAVE. I HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE IF YOU O LOOK AT THEM. HE DID NOT GRADE IT OUT.
THEY JUST LITERALLY THREW A HAYS DOWN.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE STILL . THERE'S GULLEYS.
THERE'S LIKE BRICKS. THERE'S RANDOM STUFF THAT'S IN T
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LOT. HE DIDN'T GRADE IT OUT SO WE HAN THE OTHER DAY IT. LITERAL RAINED FOR TEN MINUTES T FLOODED IN BETWEEN THE TOT LOT Y HOME, AND I ASKED HIM MULTIPLE , CAN WE HAVE WHAT WE WERE PROMISH WAS AN IRRIGATED GREEN SPACE, AS NOT. AND I ALSO HAVE EMAILS THAT HE FLAT-OUT SAYS DIDN'T DO IT BECAT COSTS TOO MUCH MONEY BECAUSE JEL MAKE US PAY 1,000 DOLLARS TO HOP IRRIGATION.HE ASKED IF HE CAN HOOK UP TO ME IRRIGATION.
I SAID IF YOU HAVE AN ATTORNEY T AND WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUTT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION. I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAE IT GREEN SPACE. I DON'T WANT A PLAYGROUND.
AND I HAVE A CHILD. TODAY IS HER BIRTHDAY.
THAT SHOWS YOU HOW IMPORTANT TH, MISSING TIME WITH MY ONE-YEAR-O, BUT WE DON'T WANT -- I WOULD HAR BOUGHT THAT LOT IF THERE WAS PLD EQUIPMENT. SAME THING, MY MOTHER ON THE OT.
WE JUST WANT GREEN SPACE. WE JUST WANT WHAT WAS PROMISED , AND THEN HE FLIPS HOO CHANGES AD THERE'S MORE THINGS I AM HOPINGE GET WHICH I WOULD LOVE. ALL THE PONDS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IRRIGATED WITH FOUNTAINS. THAT'S NOT HAPPENED YET.
AND THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A GAD COMMUNITY.
THERE'S NO GATE ALL THE WAY ARO. SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER CANS THAT I WON'T GET INTO BUT THAT'O PAINT THE PICTURE OF THINGS THAE TOLD AND PROMISED AND WE'VE NOTY SEEN ANY OF THAT COME TO FRUITI.
SO I HOPE YOU TAKE INTO INTO CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. CH A GOOD DAY.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS JAIME, AND IT KNOW IF I'M GOING TO GET THIS R,
EADEA. >> MY NAME IS JAIME I LIVE OF A5 BLACKWELL ROAD. I AM ON OXFORD EAST HOWEVER I AR OTHER SIDE LIKE AWFNG. I AM THE THE LO DIRECTLY NIQUESE TIME AMENITY CENTER. FIRST OFF, I HAVE A MASSIVE PROH THE 73-FOOT LOT THAT HE SAYS, AE PROPOSAL.
IT COMPARES OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TOL CREEK FOREST WITH 53-FOOT LOTS.
DID I NOT BUY IN MILL CREEK. DID I NOT BUY THERE.
I BOUGHT OXFORD ESTATES. THE AVERAGE PRICE TO BUILD IN MK ESTATES IS DIDN'T OURS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS MID-400S.
WHY? BECAUSE WE DO NOT LOOK LIKE WE E CRAMMED TOGETHER. I DON'T CARE IF THE EXING OLD H3 LOTS. PEOPLE STILL DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS A REFLECTION ON ALL OF D WILL AFFECT OUR PRICES. NOT HAPPY.
SECOND, TO SECOND WHAT THAT GENN SAID, I BOUGHT IN 2019.
I CLOSED FEBRUARY 14, 2020. I WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT THAT OPTT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A FINISHED CUL-DE-SAC.
I WAS OFFERED THE LOT FOR THE GN WHO BOUGHT N THE LAST, AND HE BT BECAUSE HE HAD A GRANDDAUGHTER. HE WANTED OUR LOT.
HE BOUGHT THAT LOT INSTEAD SPECY BECAUSE OF HIS GRANDCHILD.
OKAY? THIRD, TALKING ABOUT WHAT MAY MT WE CURRENTLY HAVE 224 HOMES AS T NIGHT OWNER OCCUPIED.
I HAVE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOR IN FEBRUARY.
HAVE NOT GONE ONE WEEK WITHOUT E MENTIONING PROBLEMS WITH THE GA.
WE WENT ON DECEMBER 8TH. THEY FINALLY CLOSED THE GATES F0 TO 6:00 ON OXFORD EAST SIDE. OKAY? DECEMBER 8. OVER FIVE MONTHS AGO.
IN THAT TIME -- FIRST OF ALL THO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE ALLOWE BIRDS 3:30 IN THE MORNING. WE HAVE THE FACEBOOK VIDEOS WHEY STREAMED LIVE. THRRTDZ IN THE THRRTD IN THG GRASS. BRIGHT LIGHTS OUT.
3:30. FINALLY AFTER THEY STARTED CALLE POLICE AND MR.-DAY GOT FINED, HD TO CLOSE THE GATES.
DECEMBER 8, THAT WAS OUR FIRST F THE LOTS.
EVERY SINGLE GRUBHUB, AMAZON, EY SINGLE DELIVERY HAS THE CODE TOT IN OXFORD EAST BECAUSE IN OVER E MONTHS THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN US OR INDIVIDUAL REMOTES WORKING. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF CODEA DELIVERY PERSON COMES TO THE GAR 6:00 AT NIGHT, WE HAVE TO GIVE E GENERAL CODE. FIVE MONTHS.
THEY CAN'T GET IT DONE. WE HAVE ELECTRONIC GENERATOR BOR OVER A YEAR COVERED IN MOLD BECY CAN'T GET IT DONE.
BY SENDING THIS YOU ARE NOT ONLG FROM 289 HOMES TO 320 YEAR YOU'O DLAWG THE TIME THE NEIGHBORS HAO TAKE OVER THE HOA.
THAT GIVES THEM EXTRA TIME. NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR 60 OTHER N OUR AMENITIES, ON OUR ROADS, ONR GATES? THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE 224 NOW EY CHANCE YOU GET HIM WILL BE LONGO
US TAKE OVER OUR OWN HOA. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.
JOE MCANARNEY, AND HE'S GOT A VL PRESENTATION.
HE ALSO HAD A LETTER THAT HE RED TO BE READ.
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>> WE'LL GIVE MR. MCINERNEY THRE MINUTES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
>> JOE MCANARNEY 1,012 BLACK BE, ST. JOHNS.
AND, YES, I DID SUBMIT A LETTERK YOU VERY MUCH FOR REFERENCING T, MR. ALAIMO. BUT I AM NOT GOING TO READ THISR TODAY. I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE IT BECAE IMPORTANT POINTS HAVE BEEN MADEY OTHERS.
CERTAINLY, AND WE ARE HERE TODAE DID NOT SEE IN FEBRUARY 16TH ATR MEETING AND INFORMATION THAT THY COMMISSIONERS SAW FOR THE FIRSTN MARCH THE 18TH. YOU'RE SEEING THAT NOW TODAY.
AND IT CHANGED THEIR DECISION. I HOPE THAT IT CHANGES YOURS.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T DISPUTE THATY HAS TECHNICALLY JUMPED THROUGH E HOOPS, CHECKED ALL THE BOXES YOE BEFORE YOU HERE, THE MASTER DEVT PLAN FROM 2015. YOU SEE CERTAINLY THAT ARROW THS "FUTURE PHASE." NOBODY QUESTIONS THAT.
BUT MR. DAY SAYS THAT SUDDENLY N THE FAMILIES TO HAVE KNOWN THAT.
IT'S ON THE FAMILIES TO HAVE KN. AND YET WHEN THOSE FAMILIES WENK AT HOMES, SPECIFICALLY PROVIDENE HOMES -- WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUY OR OTHER HOMEBUILDERS -- WE'RE G ABOUT PROVIDENCE HOPES, THIS IST THEY SAW, AND THERE'S EVEN MORES DOESN'T SHOW WHICH IS THE LABEL "PRESERVE" ABOVE OLD HALE WAY. THERE IS NO ARROW THERE.
THERE IS NO ARROW THERE. AND AS A RESULT OF THESE NEIGHBG TOLD AND BEING SOLD WHAT THEY N, EVEN YOUR OFFICE OF COUNTY ATTOL POINT YOU IN THIS DIRECTION, ASD MR. WHITEHURST.
MR. WHITEHURST'S WORDS WERE THIS EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY SAYS THAT N ESTABLISHED -- IT IS AN ESTABLID DEVELOPMENT. AND YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY FURTHEE GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO DENY TN THE BASIS OF THE DETRIMENTAL EFS THAT WILL HAPPEN WITHIN AN ESTAD ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT.
NOW, IN MY LETTER I HAD ALSO SUA POSSIBLE PLAN, BUT, YOU KNOW, WO TAKE THAT COMPLETELY OFF THE TAE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK T ALTERNATIVE PLANS. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHEO APPROVE OR DENY THIS APPLICATIO. THESE NEIGHBORS WERE NOT TOLD T.
THESE NEIGHBORS BOUGHT THEIR FOR HOME.
THESE NEIGHBORS ARE LIVING IN AN ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT.
MR. WHITEHURST CALLS IT THE EXIG NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAFFIC CALMING. IT'S ABOUT RESPECTING AND AN ESD ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT SO I URGE YY TO NOT ONLY MAKE A DECISION BUTE A STATEMENT, AND THAT STATEMENTT YOU WILL SUPPORT THE HIGHEST ANL SALES STANDARDS, AND WHERE THATS SHORT YOU WILL NOT REWARD THAT.
I ASK YOU THEN TO PLEASE, PLEASE THESE FAMILIES THE NEIGHBORHOODY BOUGHT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY DESERVE.
THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER SPEAKER CARDS?
>> THAT IS IT, MR. CHAIRMAN. [INAUDIBLE]
>> MR. AUGUST WALSER. >> THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT. IN ADDITION TO --
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND L. >> AUGUST WALLSNER 60 OLD HAY W, ST. JOHNS. IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING THAT N MENTIONED HERE TODAY, CHUG IE SPEED BUMPS, WHICH NOT ONLY IS T UNAPPEALING TO SEE SPEED BUMPS A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD, I FIRMLY BELT THEY'RE MORE OF A DANGER THAN NI WILL LEAVE THAT AT THAT.
I'M A 60 OLD HALE WAY AND I DONW NUK PULL THAT UP AGAIN BUT I'M T HOUSE CURRENTLY THAT'S ON OLD H. THERE'S ONE LOT NEXT TO US THAT HESITANCY BEEN BUILT ON YET. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, I GT SHOWS THERE, TOO, BUT THE PROVIT ONES, IT'S THE PROVIDENCE HOME E BOUGHT, AND WE CAME FROM CHICAGE CAME DOWN RESEARCHING THE AREA
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SPECIFICALLY, AND WE WEREN'T HEA DAILY BASIS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOIN, AND, YOU KNOW, TO EXPECT SOMEBOO AND DO ALL THE RESEARCH OF WHATG ON AND WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED A, SO FORTH, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE E DOING WAS JUST A LITTLE HARD TOW TO THINK THAT WE WOULD BE DOINGS RESEARCH TO FIND OUT. LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IF YOU SEEE LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC THAT'S THERE D HALE WAY, IT SHOWS AN EXTENSION.WELL, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERT NOW, IT'S A CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE'S NO LITTLE EXTENSION THAS OUT TO SHOW THAT THERE'S A ROADS GOING TO POTENTIALLY CONTINUE I. IT'S JUST A CUL-DE-SAC.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND IT'S A SIDEWALK AROUND IT.
SO THAT PICTURE IS NOT ACCURATE DEPICTION OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY THT NOW. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE WER, BUT HOPEFULLY IN A FEW YEARS I , AND I DON'T HAVE ANY YOUNGER KIT HOME ANYMORE, BUT WHEN WE CAME N HERE, THAT APPEALED TO US BECAUS OFF TO THE SIDE, IT WAS QUIET. I LOVE ALL OUR NEIGHBORS.
I LOVE THEIR KIDS. I MEAN, I COULDN'T HAVE HAND-PIA BETTER GROUP OF NEIGHBORS WITH S THAT THEY HAVE.
WONDERFUL PEOPLE. BUT I ENJOY OVER THERE THE CUL-.
IT'S A LITTLE QUIERLT OVER THERD THAT'S WHAT WE BOUGHT, AND WE DA PREMIUM FOR OUR LOT AS WELL. WE WERE SOLD THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE GREEN AREA THAT WOULD BE AROUNDD POINT THAT OUT, THAT, YES, IT WE WERE SOLD THAT, AND IF WE WERE E THROUGH THERE LIKE WE DID SEVERS WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GET DOWN HO BUY, WE SIGNED OUR PAIMPS JUNE Y OF 20 -- PAPERS JUNE OR JULY OF, AND THERE WAS CERTAINLY NO MENTF ANYTHING THAT WAS EVEN -- EVEN F WHAT WAS -- WHAT THAT SAYS.
AGAIN, SEEING THAT MAP RIGHT THF YOU GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TS NOT THAT EXTENSION OF THE STREET LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING INTO THE .
SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SAID HEREY AND VOTE DOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TI.
>> NO OTHER SPEAKERS. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM BEFORE WE LE? OKAY.
MR. DAY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO OFFEE REBUTTAL.
>> THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE D THE MANAGEMENT AND ISSUES.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE THEM, ASK ME, BUT WN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AS IT WAST UP EARLIER, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS .
EVERY YEAR THERE'S ISSUES. WE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THEM.
THERE'S SOME THAT LINGER WAY TOG AND TAKE A LONG TIME.
BUT IN REGARDS TO THE SPEED HUMD THE PLAYGROUND, IT WAS A DISCUST THE LAST BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISN MEETING.
THERE WAS A COUPLE -- BETWEEN T, STAFF ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN OPTIOK INTO ABOUT TRYING TO EASE SOME E CONCERNS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABT WAS THEN PUT ON THE RECORD AS TD OF ALL THE CARS THAT ARE COMINGH THERE, THE AMAZON TRUCKS, ALL DD STUFF, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WT THEM IN WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THE PROCESS OF GETTING VOTES FROM EE ON THAT STREET BECAUSE IT'S A PE STREET.
IT IS BARBECUE IF THE MAJORITY F RESIDENTS THERE DO NOT WANT THED HUMPS, I WILL HAPPILY TAKE THEMF THE PROPOSAL.
IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WERE TRYO DO.
IT WAS TO ADDRESS A CONCERN THAE WERE TOO MANY CARS COMING TOO QY THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AS HAS BEEN STATED BEFORE, ALL R OTHER STREETS IN HERE HAVE MANYY MORE HOMES ON IT ORE A NUMBER OM DO. NONE OF THEM REQUIRE SPEED HUMP.
WHEN IT'S ALL BUILT OUT, PEOPLED TO -- IF THEY LIVE IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD THEY TEND TO DRIVEE SPEED THERE.
IT'S NOT A MAIN THOROUGHFARE. IT'S NOT A MAIN ENTRANCE.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE THIS UN BECAUSE OF THE THE SPEED HUMPS.
IF THESE SPEED HUMPS FOR THE WHN THE BEST OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WL TAKE IT UP ON. THE PLAYGROUND WAS THE SAME THI.
THE TESTIMONY WAS GIVEN THAT OUS PLAY IN THE STREETS.
WE WANTED TO OF ORVE AN ALTERNAE WHERE THEY COULD PLAY THAT WAS R EVEN REGARDLESS IF WE DON'T EXTS THING.
THE REASON NOTHING HAS BEEN DONT TOT LOT IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILLX OF WHAT'S GOING ON HAPPEN HERE T THE DESIRE IS FROM OUR PROPOSALE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T INTEND, AND AS MUCH ASN ESTATE THAT NEEDS SOME IMPROVEM, WOULDN'T TO WAIT TO KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE DOING THERE WE IMPROVE THAT TOT LOT, WHETHES GRASS AND IRRIGATED. WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN AND RIP O PUT A TOT LOT IN. I DON'T WANT THOSE TWO THINGS TA REASON BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ADDD BECAUSE REALLY IT'S THE ONLY THE CHANGED SUBSTANTIAL TOTE MPT TED THE MAP FROM THE LAST TIME IT BS
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APPROVED. WE'RE COMING BACK AND ADDING THT EXHIBIT WITH THE COMMITMENT TO D THOSE.AND SO AGAIN, IF THAT DOESN'T SO MEET THE NEED, THAT WAS JUST WHE WERE TRYING TO DO TO MEET THE N. I WILL TELL THAT YOU ALMOST EVEE PERSON THAT POLICE HAVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES THIS NEIGHBOR LIKES THEIR HOUSE. THERE ARE KIDS THAT LIVE ON ALLE STREETS HERE. ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AS YOU KNOW, S HAD A LOT OF FAMILIES MOVING INH KIDS.
THIS WHOLE EXPANSION ON THIS SIS OPPOSED BY RESIDENTS WHEN WE DID SO THE HOMES THAT MOST OF THE PE LIVE IN WERE AT ONE POINT A POSY SOMEBODY ELSE SAYING WE DON'T WE EXPANSION.
THERE'S 30 MORE PEOPLE THAT HAVA CHANCE TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORO BECOME FRIENDS, EXPERIENCE THE AMENITIES.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM GETO AND FROM SAFELY.
NOTHING WE DO IS GOING TO BE DIY OR OUTSIDE OF THE NORM PATTERNSF WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE NEIGHBOR. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MEET THE NT ST. JOHNS COUNTY WHICH WHOSEE FAMILIES MOVING HERE BECAUSE THT TO LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ANK THE BEST WAY TO DO IT IS BUILD E SAME NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'T OF THE SAME SO COHESIVE NEIGHBO. IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFICS QUESTI CAN ANSWER THEM BUT I DIDN'T WAO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIF THE APPLICANT?
SO I JUST THINK THAT THE LIFE AE CHILD CANNOT BE VALUED, AND YOUE SAYING THAT COMING IN OFF LONG S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE, YOU CAN'T MA GOOD PROFIT ON IT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT YOU CANE THOSE TWO, YOUR EXPENSE TO DEVES WITH POTENTIAL LOSS OF LIFE OF E CHILD, AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOWN APPROVE THIS.
I REALLY DON'T. AND I DID WANT TO ASK DID YOU HS THAT YOU SHOWED PROSPECTIVE BUYT THAT AREA BACK TO THE NORTH WASA PRESERVE? WERE THERE SUCH MAPS?
>> SO I ASKED FOR EVERYTHING FRO BUILDERS OF WHAT THEY USED IN T- THEIR SALES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOO. SO WE DON'T GENERATE THESE MAPS.
THE HOMEBUILDERS GENERATE THESER THEIR SALES.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS GIVEN. I WAS TOLD THIS WAS THE ONLY MAE HAD. I DID SPEAK TO BRENDA HARRIS WHS THE SALES AGENT OR PROVIDENCE FH THE WAZNERS AND THE PRESSICS.
SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFT THAT SHE HAD COMMUNICATED THAT G WOULD BE -- WOULD HAPPEN AND YOD ASSUME THE TREES WOULD COME DOWD THERE WOULD BE MORE HOMES. THAT IS WHAT SHE COMMUNICATED T.
THIS IS -- WE SOLD THE LOT TO TE BUILDER AND THEY COMMUNICATE TOE BUYERS. I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I HAD SO MANE COME UP AND TESTIFY THAT THEY DT KNOW THIS WAS HAPPENING BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE HAD DONE TO THIS D BEEN TO COMMUNICATE THERE WAS FE EXPANSION. CLEARLY THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOM, BUT IN MY OPINION THERE WAS MORN ENOUGH COMMUNICATION AND EVIDENT
SOMETHING WAS GOING IN THERE. >> SO YOU AS THE DEVELOPER NEVEA MAP PRODUCED BY ONE OF YOUR BUIS THAT HAD THAT AREA IN QUESTION A
PRESERVE? >> I NEVER SAW THEM.
WE TYPICALLY DON'T SEE THEIR SA. SO I REQUESTED THESE FROM BOTH F BUILDERS SO I COULD SEE WHAT THD USED IN SELLING THEIR HOMES.
>> AND IT IS TRUE THESE ARE GOIE 73-FOOT LOTS?
>> IT'S A MIX OF 73 AND 83. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE VAST MAF THE PRODUCT THAT'S BEING PUT OUS THERE IS THE SAME PLUCT BECAUSEF THESE EMTION -- PRODUCT BRAS MOF THESE HOMES ARE 60 FEET WIDE.
IT'S A -- AND SO THE PRODUCT THS BEING BUILT, THE QUALITY OF THE, THE SIZE OF THE HOME IS STILL GO BE IF SAME.
IT'S JUST A MIX OF 73S AND E. W. AND 83S.
I SAID THIS LAST TIME AT BCC, FA VALUE STANDPOINT THOSE LOTS ANDE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE AS EXPENSR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT'S IN TW BECAUSE OF WHAT LAND COSTS HAVE HAPPENED, THE MARKET, ALL THE RECONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND THERET GOING TO BE A VALUE ISSUE, IN MY OPINION, ON SOMETHING GOING IN E BEING LESS DESIRABLE OR LESS VOL BE. I WANT TO SAY THERE'S NO PRICE U CAN PUT ON A CHILD'S LIFE. DON'T HEAR ME SAY THAT I THINK S TOO EXPENSIVE TO SAVE KIDS. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE APE NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THE TIME WITHE THAN 30 UNITS.
THE WAY THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO N STREETS AND PUT IN INFRASTRUCTUS SAFETY, WITH THAT SAFETY IN MIN. I THINK WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN S SAFETY BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOIE DONE UP TO THE BEST STANDARDS TE COUNTY HAS AND THAT WE HAVE PUTA NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINKY YO TS WORTH PRESENTING CHILD.
I JUST THINK WHAT'S GOING TO BEE WILL BE SAFE.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT STATEMENT. THANK YOU.
THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONES REMANDED THIS BACK TO US BASED N
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TRAFFIC ISSUES OF THE TOT LOT AO FORTH.I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING PRESENTE TODAY BY YOU REALLY THAT SOLVESR AMELIORATES ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES. I JUST DON'T SEE IT.
YOU'VE HAD SOME TIME TO PLAN FO, AND WHAT'S REALLY BEEN PRESENTET WOULD BE A TRAFFIC AMELIORATION SITUATION? I DON'T SEE IT OTHER THAN THE SD BUMPS, WHICH MANY OF THE RESIDET TOOK THE TIME TO COME HERE TODAY DON'T WANT.
>> YEAH, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OA CATCH-22 BECAUSE I DID TALK TO E TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN ST. JOHNS C. I I CANNOT RECALL HIS NAME RIGHT YOU CAN GET IT FOR YOU. AND HIS OPINION IS THERE IS NOTA TRAFFIC ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSEE TRYING TO ADDRESS. TYPICALLY ADDING 31 LOTS TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS 289 IS NOT INDICATIVE A TRAFFIC ISSUE OR SR ISSUE. HE SAID WE NOT PUT SPEED HUMPS .
THE COUNTY WOULDN'T DO THIS. THERE WAS A NUMBERCH THINGS HE T IT DOESN'T WARRANT THAT. AND SO IT WAS TO LOOK INTO TO SE COULD DO ANYTHING, AND THAT'S WE OPTIONS WERE PUT FORWARD THAT TD LIMIT SIGN WOULD HELP. TIP QULI THE ONLY TRAFFIC CALMIE DEVICE WE HAVE AT DUR DISPOSAL E THE SPEED HUMPS.
BUT THERE'S NOT ANY SORTS OF ISA TECHNICAL AND EXPERT OPINION THD TO BE ADDRESSED FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT.
SO THERE'S SOME OPTIONS WE PUT , BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S -- AT THE ENE DAY IF THE NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T N THAT BE JUST DON'T WANT HOMES, T THINK THAT'S A VIABLE REGION TOT APPROVE THIS BECAUSE IT IS CONST WITH THE COMP PLAN. IT FITS WITH THE REQUIREMENTS, F
YOU MAKE IT SEEM AS IF, IF THES1 HOMES AREN'T BUILT, THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE ANY PLACE FOR PEOPLE INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO LIVE.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE, SIR.
>> I COMPLETELY AGREE. THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE -- I ME, THERE'S A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOOG IN.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS BEIG GENERATED.
THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS. WE CAN'T TAKE THAT AND SAY WE'RT GOING TO APPROVE ANY OF THESE SR ONES BECAUSE THIS IS A BIGGER O.
THIS IS A VERY GOOD SPOT TO HELA SMALL PART OF THAT DEMAND FOR GD HIGH-QUALITY HOMES AT A GOOD PRT AND A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUPPW
FAMILIES MOVING INTO THE COUNTY. >> IT LOOKED LIKE A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I DROVE OUT T. IT WAS A VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, DR. HIL? >> NO, THANK YOU.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. AND ALSO SOME COMMENTS.
BUT FIRST OF ALL, I'VE BEEN LOOT THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN,N COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM JOE MY PARTICULARLY, AND HE ALSO PROVID COMMENTS AT THE LAST HEARING THE HAD.
AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE VERY EFE THEN.
I THINK THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE . BUT HE SENT A LONG LETTER WHICHE DIDN'T TAKE TIME TO REVIEW, WHIS PROPERTY THAT HE NOT, BUT I WANO TO ONE OF THE POINTS THAT HE TAD ABOUT BECAUSE HE SAID HE DROVE E NEIGHBORHOOD AND DID LOOK AT OLE WAY, BUT HE SAID THEN HE WENT TF THE SALES OFFICES. THERE'S TREES AND THERE'S WEEKL.
SHE SAID THE BREEZE HOME BROCHUS NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A PHASE .
WEEKLY HOMES DOES. NOW HAVE TWO SAILSZ OFFICES, ONE EXPLICITLY SAYING, YES, THERE IE 7 AND THE OTHER SAYING -- OR NOG THAT THERE'S NOT BUT NOT SAYINGT THERE IS, EITHER.
THAT KIND OF MAKES ME QUESTION E ETHICS MAYBE OF BREEZE HOMES IND TO THAT. OKAY? THE REASON WHY I VOTED AGAINST E PROPOSAL LAST TIME WAS, AGAIN, N INFORMATION THAT JOEL HAD PRESED WHAT HE DID BASICALLY WAS PARAPE WHAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REVIEWD SAID, AND THAT SAID THAT THE BOR BOARD COULD DENY AN APPLICATIONE IS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENT PRODUCES -- THAT THE PROPOSAL PS AN INCOMPATIBILITY OR DEVIATIONN ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENTT DETRACTS FROM THE CHARACTER ANDY OF LIFE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BY CREATING, IN THIS CASE ITXCESSIE NOISE AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAW DEVELOPMENT WOULD PRODUCE.
BUT NOW WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOE TRAFFIC ISSUE, AND THAT WAS WHES BASICALLY OPPOSED TO IT AT THE BEGINNING, THE SAFETY ISSUE.
I DON'T SEE THAT ANYTHING HAS CN TERMS OF THE SAFETY ISSUE.
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AND GIVEN THAT BEING THE CASE, S NO WAY THAT I'M GOING TO SUPPORS PROPOSAL AGAIN TODAY. THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THE POS.SO DID I HAVE A QUESTION? NO, NOT REALLY.
EXCEPT FOR WHY DOES YOUR -- WHYE SALES BROCHURE SAY ONE THING ANE OTHER COMPANY'S SALES BROCHURE S SOMETHING.
>> I CAN'T SPECIFIC SPRISKLY TOZ OTHER THAN IT'S NOT BEEN BROUGHO THIS POINT BECAUSE THE ONLY HOMD LOTS THEY'RE SELLING ARE ON THER SOUTH OF THIS PLOT SO THEY'RE NT DEALING IN ANY WAY UP NEAR CLARR OLD HALE AT THIS POINT. THEY DO HAVE, THEY HAVE HALF OFE FUTURE LOTS UNDER CONTRACT SO TW THEY'RE COMING.
THEY'VE BEEN UNCONTRACT FOR MORA YEAR.
BUT HAS NOT COME UP AS AN ISSUEZ EVER -- BECAUSE DREEZ ISN'T SELY HOMES OR CLARENDON OR OLD HALE H THERE IS NO ONE THAT THAT IS HAT A HOME FROM DREEZ. AND DREW DREEZ IS FAIRLY EVER FW TO NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY TOOK OVER FOR PROVIDENCE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THEY DON'TE DISOOLINGS WEEKS.
CERTAINLY WEEKLY DOES. BUT I ALSO KNOW THEY'RE SELLINGN THE OTHER FAR END OF THE NEIGHB, ON THE SOUTH PART.
AND POTENTIALLY THE BACK, IF YOT THE AMENITY CENTER TO THE BACK .
SO -- >> AGAIN, MY ONLY RESPONSE WOUL, WELL, YOU CAN SEE WHY THE PEOPLT ARE HERE TODAY ARE UPSET ABOUT K OF -- LACK OF FULL INFORMATION,, ON WHAT IT WAS THAT WRE WERE PUG
TWHE PURCHASED IT. >> I MEAN, I DISAGREE THAT IT DS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I ALW THAT THERE IS A WHOLE NUMBER OFS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKED N YOU ARE ASSESSING THESE, THAT BE OF THEM. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT P PLAN ENCOURAGES AND PROMOTES THI THINK WE DO SOLVE WITH THIS.
>> ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, DR. MC? >> I'M DONE.
>> OKAY. DOES ANY OTHER AGENCY MEMBER --.
>> THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR. IS LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY AN ARL ROAD OR IS IT A COLLECTOR ROAD? I WOULD ASSUME ARTERIAL BUT I HT
SEEN A MAP. >> WE HAVE STAFF COMING UP TO AS THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THEN I SORT OF ROLLED INTO TT QUESTION.
IS THERE A LIMIT, DEPENDING ON T CLASSIFICATION, OF HOW CLOSE A T
COULD BE TO ANOTHER CURB CUT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JAN TRANTHAME ARE TRAMG PLANNER. FIRST ALL OF LONG LEAF PINE PAR, IT'S CLASSIFIED IN OUR CONCURRES URBAN COLLECTOR.
IT'S A MAJOR COLLECTOR. I WOULD NOT CLASSIFY IT WAS AN L AT THIS TIME. AND WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND QUESTI?
>> THE SECOND QUESTION IS IF THA SECOND CURB CUT, I KNOW USUALLYU
CAN'T HAVE CUSH -- >> YES, WE COULD HAVE ACCESS GO MANAGEMENT STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT DICTATES G BETWEEN DRIVEWAY CUTS ON THE MAR COLLECTOR ROADWAYS.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF M. I DON'T KNOW IF DICK CAN LOOK T.
BUT WE DID LOOK AT, IF YOU'RE GO THE POINT OF ANOTHER CONNECTIONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY, IT WOULD BE D IN TERMS OF ACCESS MANAGEMENT S, AND THAT PORTION OF LONG LEAF PE PARKWAY IS TWO LANES CURRENTLY,O IF THEY CONNECTED RIGHT NOW, ITD HAVE FULL ACCESS.
THERE'S NO RESTRICTION OR THEREO RESTRICTIVE MEDIAN.
WHEN IT'S FOUR-LANED THEN WE WOD DETERMINE WHAT ACCESS IT WOULD ,
MOST LIKELY A RIGHT IN, RIGHT O. >> BUT THEY WOULD LOSE THE ABILO LEFT IN, LEFT OUT BECAUSE IT'S Y GOING TO BE A FOUR-LANE.
>> POTENTIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE K AT ALL REACTION POINTS, THOSE OE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND COL WHAT IS THE BEST LOCATION FOR MN CUTS. WORST CASE IS THEY WOULD HAVE TA
U-TURN SOMEWHERE. >> SO 31 HOMES WOULD HAVE TO POY DO IS A U-TURN FOUR FOUR OR FIVS WHEN THIS GETS EXPANDED.
>> YES. >> MR. DAY, THESE UN THIS HOMESE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE AMEY CENTER, CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. >> SO IF YOU EVER HAD TO DO AN S OFF LONG LEAF PARKWAY ANY CHILDT WANTED TO ACCESS THAT AMENITY CR WOULD HAVE TO GO OFF LONG LEAF Y AND OUT THE GATE TO GET TO THE Y
CENTER? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT E CONNECTION TO IT AND WE WANT BEO PUT IN ANY SORT OF GATED ACCESS1 LOTS, SO THEY WOULD BE SORT OF A SUBCLASS GROUP GROOB GROUP OF TE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE EX PARTE STOONGS EVER INTOOD BE THAT THEY WOULD SOME HOW STIE ABLE TO ENJOY THE MEAN TIS.
THE AMENITY WAS DESIGNED TO BE . >> SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAFEF CHILDREN MAY BE THE BEST ALTERNO LOOK AT ISN'T GOING ONTO A MAJON
COLLECTOR ROAD. >> I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WOULE
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IDEAL FOR THEIR SAFETY. >> THANK YOU.
>> DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN THE ANGE ANYTHING TO ADD, ANY QUESTIONS.
SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A M. >> I'LL OFFER A MOTION.
I SUPPORTED THIS APPLICATION LA. IT GOT REMANDED BACK TO US TO RW SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAC IS ISSUES WITH.
I THINK THAT THE APPLICANT HAS D THOSE TO THE BEST OF HIS ABILITT THAT'S UP TO THE BCC TO DETERMIR WE VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, MY MOTION ISO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMP N AMENDMENT 2019-01 OFKUSKEE EASTN FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDE
STAFF REPORTS. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS FOR AP.
>> SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AN. DR. MCCORMICK.
>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES.
MS. PERKINS. >> YES WHEN MR. PETER.
>> YES. >> SO THAT MOTION PASSES 4-3.
AND NOW WE MOVE ON TO ITEM 6. AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON .
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVALR MOD 2020-15 OXFORD ESTATES PHASD ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT WAS PRON THE STAFF REPORT.
>> IN THE FIRST MOTION THE TWO S VOTED NO AND MR. PETER VOTED NO.
OH GREG MATOVINA. >> WHOEVER IS LEFT, MA'AM, VOTE.
>> AND MEGAN AND -- >> YES, MA'AM.
OUR NAMES ARE ALL RIGHT HERE. >> I'M SO SORRY.
THANK YOU. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION.
IS THERE A SECOND? >> I SECOND.
BUT I WAS GOING TO TELL HER ALSN THE NAME OF THE AGENDA, ALL OUR.
>> SECOND BY MR. MILLER. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?
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SEEING NONE, DR. MCCORMICK. >> I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT THE MOTIO.
>> THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL. >> FOR ITEM 6.
>> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. MS. PERKINS.
>> YES. >> THAT MOTION PASSES 4-3.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 7.
>> SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT. YES, SIR.
>> MIKE AND NICOLE BATES, 3428 H SILVER TREE WAY, 32086, ST. AUG, FLORIDA. WE'RE HERE TO DO A REQUEST FOR L SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIN FROM AGRICULTURE-INTENSIVE TO RESIDENTIAL-A.
THE LOCATION DOESN'T HAVE AN AD. IT'S COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH AND CY ROAD 13A SOUTH. THE ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.
THE CURRENT ZONING IS SUFFICIENR NEEDS AND WE ARE NOT ASKING FORA REZONING, JUST TO BE CLEAR. THE LAND USE REQUIRES 39 ACRES D A HOME. THE SITE IS ONLY 5.16 ACRES.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T BUILD A N IT.
SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CHANG. UNDER THIS LAND USE WE WILL BE D TO BUILD OUR TWO HOMES. WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD A HOUSE R IN-LAWS, WHICH ARE PROBABLY ONLG TO BE HERE A LITTLE BIT LONGER,E WANT THEM TO BE CLOSE TO US ANDT TO BUILD A HOUSE FOR OUR TWO CHN AND OURSELVES. THIS IS THE FUTURE HOME SITE.
>> SIR, COULD YOU MOVE CLOSER TE MICROPHONE.
>> WE WISH TO HAVE THE PROPERTYD IN ORDER TO BUILD TWO HOMES ON E PARCEL. OUR CHILDREN WILL BE ABLE TO ENE PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL WOODED LOT . THE SECOND WILL BE FOUR WIFE'S .
THEY ARE GETTING OLDER AND WE WM TO BE CLOSE TO US.
AERIAL SHOWS SIMILAR HOME SITESE AREA.
OUR REQUEST DOES NOT AS SEEM ONF THE ORDER FOR THE IMMEDIATE ARE.
AND THESE ARE JUST SITE PHOTOS,T IT'S LIKE NOW.
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERA. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTI?
THERE ARE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? >> WE DO NOT.
>> SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCA MOTION.
>> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVALA SS2021-01 CLARK PROPERTY, A REQR A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE FUTURE E MAP DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELT 16 ACRES OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURE-INTENSIVE TO RESIDEA BASED OFF OF -- UPON POWER FINDF
FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF R. >> SECOND.
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>> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS, SECONY MR. ALAIMO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MR. MILLER.
>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES.
>> DR. LINLS HILSENBECK. >> YES.
>> THAT MOTION PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS.
GOOD LUCK. >> THANK YOU, BOARD.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> ALL RIGHT.
MR. CEARLEY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, AGENCY MEMBE.
FOR THE RECORD JOSEPH CEREAL SPL PROJECTS MANAGER GROWTH MANAGEM.
THIS IS AGENDA NUMBER 8 OR ITEM8 ON THE AGENDA.
AND IT'S REGARDING FAMILY FARMS AMENDMENT TO POLICY A161 A164 RG
THE FAMILY FARM PROVISIONS. >> I THINK THAT'S NUMBER 9, MR..
>> THAT'S 9. WE'RE ON THE 8, THE INEXREES INK HOUSE LIMIT. BUT WE CAN TO GO 9 IF YOU'D LIK.
I BROKE YOUR RHYTHM. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I JUST AT ANY TIME WANT TO CONFE ANYBODY.
>> . I THINK IT WAS MISLABELED.
IF YOU DON'T MIND CAN WE JUMP TM NUMBER 9, FAMILY FARMS.
>> SURE. >> FOLLOWING THE COMET PLAN AMEE JUST HEARD I THINK THIS IS MOREE SUBJECT MATTER.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> MY APOLOGIES.
ACTUALLY I'M GOING TO GO TO FAMY FARMS, WHICH IS LABELED AS AGENM NUMBER 8 WHICH IS ACTUALLY THATA ITEM NUMBER 9.
I'M CONFUSING MYSELF HERE AT TH. OKAY.
SO FAMILY FARMS. SO THIS REVISE -- I'M SORRY.
FAMILY FARMS POLICY A164 ALLOWSE DEVELOPMENTS OF LARGE TRACTS OFN THE ASHLEY INTENSIVE AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS, ALLOWS TO CONSTRUT SEVERAL SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING R MEMBERS OF THE MARYLAND FOAM. SO IF YOU HAVE MS. FA.
THE IF YOU ARE A MATRIARCH OR PH THAT OWN LAND AND THEY WISH TO E THEIR KIDS CONSTRUCT ON THE LOTR GRANDPARENTS CONSTRUCT ON THE LK THEY CAN DO SO AS LONG AS THEY A FAMILY MEMBER UP TO AS MANY AS I EVERYBODY, I BELIEVE AS MANY UNS THEY WISH TO DO.
ADDITIONALLY, SO IF THERE ARE -E PARCEL WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE MM ACREAGE OF 39 AREAS, FOR AI, 10S FOR R/S, HOWEVER MOST OF THE ARR SELLS ARE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1990E SMALLER, DON'T MEET THAT MINIMUT SIZE, ARE CONSIDERED EXEMPT ANDD TO PAR TAKE IN THE FAMILY NARM PROVISION. THIS IS A LIMITED ONE-TIME USE R ACTIVE FARMS, PRODUCTION OR OTHR AGRICULTURAL USES.
SO THE ISSUE WITH FAMILY FARMS T OVER THE YEARS THEY HAVE DEEDEDF SEVERAL PARCELS FOR FAMILY MEMB, HOWEVER, THEY CANNOT LEGALLY SUE THE PARCELS, SO IF A FAMILY MEMS TO BECOME DECEASED AND THOSE MES WOULD TAKE ON THE BURR DEFINITEE AND THE TAXES.
THERE'S ALSO BEEN SEVERAL INSTAS WHERE FAMILY MEMBERS WISHED TO E ELSEWHERE AND IF THEY SELL THEIN OF FAMILY FARMS PARCEL WHICH ISN VIOLATION OF THE FAMILY FARM AFT THEY SIGNED, AND WHAT THIS DOESS CREATES AN ILLEGAL DIVISION OF A LEGAL LOT, ILLEGAL LOT AND TY CANNOT PULL PERMITS, AND TO REMT SITUATION THEY HAVE TO GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TOW FOR THAT ACREAGE.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THE D DIRECTED STAFF SEVERAL YEARS AGK AT THIS SITUATION AND TRY TO ALE AND PROVIDE SOME REMEDY TO THESS OWNING THESE FAMILY FARMS OR PARTICIPATED IN IT, AND THEY PRD DIRECTION FOR US TO AMEND THIS . THE PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF YOU ISE OOSMED WOULD SUNSET THE FAMILY M AFFIDAVIT SEVEN YEARS FROM THE T AFFIDAVIT SIGNED. AND TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, MAE EXPLAIN TO YOU WHEN THE ORIGINAS OF THE PARCEL CAME IN, THEY SIGN AFFIDAVIT SAYING THEY WISHED TOA FAMILY FARM.
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IF ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER COPS IE THE DAUGHTER OR THE SON, IF THEO CONSTRUCT ON THE PARCEL THEY, TE TO SIGN AN ACH AFFIDAVIT AND SOD SO FORTH. SO THIS POLICY WOULD SUNSET SEVS AFTER THE VERY LAST AFFIDAVIT WS SIGNED.I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. UPON TERMINATION OF THE FAMILY M STATUS, THE PARCELS WOULD BE COD EXEMPT PARCELS AND WOULD REQUIRE SIZE AND LOT OF THE CORRESPONDIG DESIGNATION.
SO IF THEY WERE TO ALL DISBAND Y WERE IN THE OPEN RURAL ZONING DESIGNATION, THEY WOULD HAVE TOT THAT 1 ACRE REQUIREMENT FOR EACH STRUCTURE, EACH DWELLING UNIT. ONCE TERMINATED, THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM CREATING ANOTHEY FARM, SO THEY WOULD GET THAT ON, ONCE -- AFTER THAT SEVEN YEARS Y DECIDE TO SELL OFF PORTIONS OF , AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE MINIMUT SIZE AND LOT WIDTH, THEY COULD .
AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST OR PROPOSO THIS POLICY IS TO REDUCE THE MIT SIZE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE AGE AM INTENSIVE AND RURAL/SILVICULD USES. WE DID SOME JURISDICTIONAL RESEE TIME BACK THE WHEN BOARD INITIAY DIRECTED US TO DO THIS, AND DISD THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A MORE RESTRICTIVE MINIMUM LOT SIZES TR AGRICULTURAL AND LAND USE DESIG. CURRENTLY.
IN A-I INNER -- WE WANT TO RECUT 20 EARNINGS.
RURAL CIVIL CURRENT HAS 100 ACRR ONE DWELLING EXPIEWNGT THE PROPO REDUCE THAT TO 40 ACRES. THIS ALLOWS THEM TO CONSTRUCT AG UNIT WHILE STILL PRESERVING THET OF PRESERVING AGRICULTURAL LAND.
SO. [INDECIPHERABLE] I'LL LEAVE THESE UP HERE FOR DIN BUT THAT CONCLUDES MY PROPOSAL.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. WHICH I'M SURE YOU HAVE.
>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? BECAUSE I DO IF NOBODY ELSE DOE.
>> NUMBER ONE, I THOUGHT THAT WD TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO JUNE 3.
>> THIS IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST TS ITEM HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
>> WE VOTED TO CONTINUE THE CHR- >> THE CHURCH.
BUT I'M PREPARED TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
>> SURE. >> NUMBER ONE, YOU ALWAYS GIVE T PRESENTATION. YOU'RE VERY CLEAR.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MATERIALS.
BUT I'M STILL PUZZLE AND CONFUSY THIS ONE.
NUMBER ONE, HOW MANY INSTANCES E OCCURRED AND OVER WHAT TIME PER, LET'S SAY YEARS, WHERE FAMILY FM ISSUES LIKE THIS HAVE BECOME A ? OVER THE LAST FIVE, TEN YEARS HY INSTANCES HAVE BEEN AT ISSUE HE?
>> I BELIEVE I LOOKED AT THE NUF NEW FAMILY FARMS IN THE LAST 25M SORRY -- IT WAS TEN YEARS THAT - THAT WERE CREATED, AND YOU IT WS SOMEWHERE LIKE 20. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IF THATS INCORRECT. I LOOKED AT WHAT WE HAD IN OUR .
THERE WASN'T VERY MANY. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF ISSUES E HAD, I KNOW I'VE RECEIVED SEVERS AND I'VE BEEN HERE SEVEN YARDS N REGARDS TO PEOPLE WANTING TO DID THESE FAMILY FARMS OR THE MOTHED FATHER, YOU KNOW, ARE DECEASED D THERE'S UNCLES, BROTHERS, SISTEL ON A PARCEL THAT ARE NOW COST BD WITH THIS EMPTY DWELLING UNIT, N THEY'LL SELL OFF THE NEW OWNER O US WITH TRYING TO PULL PERMITS R ADDITIONS OR WHATNOT, AND SOLD A NON-FAMILY MEMBER.
>> SO YOU DON'T -- WITH ALL YOUR EXPERTISE AND FAMILIARITY WITH U DO NOT THINK THESE ISSUES COULDE HANDLED A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS WIH PROPERTY OWNERS COMING TO THE PD ASKING FOR RELIEF UNDER THIS? I WOULD THINK, GIVEN HOW THE PZS OPERATED, WHAT I HAVE NOTED, THE WOULD BE PROBABLY VERY AMENABLEO GIVING RELIEF TO FAMILIES SUFFEM SOME HARDSHIP OF HAVING TO PAY D MORTGAGE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S HOUST
MOVED AWAY. >> THAT'S WHAT THESE FAMILY FARE REQUIRED TO DO NOW IF THEY SELLF EARLY OR SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTYD SOMEONE ELSE OUTSIDE THE FAMILYS IN.
THEY TRY TO PULL A PERMIT. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO A COMPRE PLAN AMENDMENT. IT COULD BE SMALL SCALE OR LARGE
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PR. >> I'VE BEEN ON THE PZA BOARD HR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, I DONA SINGLE INSTANCE COMING BEFORE UI JUST WAS SURPRISED THAT THIS WAG ISSUE OR A PROBLEM THAT REQUIRE.
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P AND IN YOUR OPINION IF THISS APPROVED, WOULD IT MAKE IT EASIE SAME OR MORE DIFFICULT TO ULTIMY DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY MORE FULLHA PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT? >> THROUGH A PLANNED RURAL DEVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD BED TO DO A PRD.
THEY WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO -- TE AFFIDAVIT WOULD SUNSET AND THEYD THEN BE ABLE TO SUB -- LIKE LEGY SUBDIVIDE THAT PROPERTY IF THEYE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH AND LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
>> THAT'S THE WAY I READ IT. AND THAT'S WHAT CONFUSED ME.
THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT REALLY PROTECTING AGRICULTURE AND AGRIL INTENSIVE LANDS OR SILVICULTURAS AND SILVICULTURAL RURAL PLANNEDR THIS HAS SUNSETTED SEVEN YEARS R THAT AFFIDAVIT EXPIRES.
THEY CAN GO RIGHT AHEAD WITH A DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY.
WHAT I'VE READ, IF THEY HAVE 100 HOMES -- THIS WAS ALL IN YOUR I- 100 HOMES, THEY AUTOMATICALLY AE ENTITLED TO NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERD COMMERCIAL RURAL IN THERE. THEY COULD ALSO DO UP TO 500 HOR
YEAR ON THAT IS WHAT I READ. >> THIS ESSENTIALLY DOES PROVIDN EXEMPTION TO DENSITY AND SUBDIVN REGULATIONS TO SOME EXTENT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN F THAT INTENSE.
THE MOST I HAVE SEEN WASTE PROBY EIGHT OR NINE STRUCTURES.
HOWEVER I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT TH. BUT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
THERE'S I BELIEVE CURRENTLY DONY HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM LOSSESE AND MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF THE ZOG DESIGNATION? THE FAMILY WOULD HAVE TO ME THEE CURRENT MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
IF IT'S OPEN RURAL THEY WOULD HO MEET THAT 1 ACRE REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S POTENTIALLY ROOM THERE R MANIPULATION, ABSOLUTELY.
>> OKAY. SO YOU THINK, IN YOUR OPINION, D MAKE IT EASIER TO DEVELOP AG INE AND RURAL/SILVICULTURE LANDS INY
MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS. >> NOT MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS.
LIKE I SAID, THE SIZE OF THE AC, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT IS, THEYD PUT A FAIR -- A FEW HOMES OUT T. SO LIKE I SAID, IT'S OPEN FOR MANIPULATION, OBVIOUSLY, LIKE AG IN THE CODE, BUT THE INTENT HERI BELIEVE IS TO PROVIDE RELIEF TOE FAMILIES THAT ARE IN THESE INST.
>> I CERTAINLY DON'T MIND PROVIG RELIEF TO FAMILIES UNDER HARDSHT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS REAY OPENING UP RURAL AND SILVICULTUS AND AG INTENSIVE LANDS TO GREATR DEVELOPMENT AND MAKING IT EASIER THAT TO OCCUR. AND I WAS WONDER, SINCE YOU PROY TALKED THE TO COMMISSIONERS ABOS PARTICULARLY IF YOU COULDIC SHAH US OR YOU KNOW WHAT COMMISSIONEB SMITH THINKS OF THIS.
>> YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, LIKE I SS I DON'T THINK IT HAD SUPPORTED .
WE DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS SUPPORT. BUT THE COMMISSIONERS HAD THE SE CONCERNS THAT YOU DO, THREE OR R YEARS AGO.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT HIS THOUGHTS . I'M SURE THESE OFTEN HAPPEN BECE THEY'RE IN HIS DISTRICT MOSTLY E HE'S --
>> RIGHT. >> SO I'M SURE -- IEFS DEFINITEE WITH HIM IN THE PAST ABOUT THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS THOUGHTS E SPECIFICALLY. HE JUST ASKED THAT STAFF LOOK AS AND PROVIDE -- SEE WHAT KIND OFF WE COULD PROVIDE, SO THIS IS OUR
PROPOSAL. >> AND THAT WAS A COUPLE YEARS ?
[INAUDIBLE] >> THIS WAS ACTUALLY RAISED FAIY RECENTLY TO US BY BOTH COMMISSIR SMITH AND WALDRON.
THERE HAD BEEN RESEARCH DONE A S AGO BY THE STAFF THAT DID NOT ME FORWARD BUT VERY RECENTLY IN THX MONTHS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, THIE HAS COME UP REPEATEDLY, MOST FRY BY THOSE TWO COMMISSIONERS WHO Y WOULD, BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHY OR DISTRICTS, WOULD BE MOST RELEVAE
WHAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME, CONFO ME, PUZZLING TO ME IS THAT THE I WAS READING ALONG, I'VE READ ITL TIMES, ABOUT GIVING RELIEF, LOWG INTENSIVE FROM 39 TO 20, AND THN RURAL/SILVICULTURE FROM 100 DOW, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT STAO THE -- THE ITEM STARTS INTO THED RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT COULE THERE.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXUS HERE BETWEEN LOWERING THESE THRESHOLDS FOR AY
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UNDER A HARDSHIP AND ALL THE LAE THAT FOLLOWED PAGE AFTER PAGE? AND I'M GOING TO READ YOU A FEWS HERE FROM THE AGENDA ITEM.WHAT'S THE NEXUS HERE BETWEEN T? I WOULDN'T MIND VOTING FOR THAT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE R THINGS HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT STO PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT, AND S IS -- IT FEEDS RIGHT INTO THAT.
IT SAYS THE NUMBER OF DWELLING S APPROVED BY PRD REZONING CHANGEH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONE 500 DWELLING UNITS PER CALENDAR.
ANY OF THE 500 UNITS NOTE APPRON THE CALENDAR YEAR SHALL NOT BE D FORTH NEXT YEAR. AND THERE IS ANOTHER STATEMENT O RECORD ON SEPTEMBER 14, 1990, TE MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE IN EITHER TE CARLINGAL INTENSIVE OR RURAL/SILVICULTURE AREAS IS ONEE POLITICAL MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE LD ABOVE.
WHAT'S LIFTED ABOVE IS THE 20 AR THE 39 AREAS, AND THE 100 ACRES.
LISTED ABOVE. SOY THERE'S ALREADY A PROVISIONE FOR OLDER, IT SEEMS TO ME OLDER FAMILY-OWNED LANDS, REAL FAMILYD LANDS TO ALREADY HAVE THOSE, CUE IN HALF, SO YOU'D GO FROM 39 ANG INTENSIVE TO 19.5, WHICH IS EVER THAN YOU'RE ASKING FOR, AND IN RURAL/SILVICULTURE FROM 100 DOW, WHICH IS JUST 10 ACRES LARGER TT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SO THERE'S -- THIS SEEMS TO ME T KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS AND NOT ALLOWING THIS 7-YEAR SUNSET IS POTENTIALLY PREVENTING SOMEONE T OF COUNTY, OUT OF STATE, EVEN OF THIS COUNTRY FROM COMING INTO SS COUNTY, BUYING UP A TRACT OF LAD THEN SEVEN YEARS LATER GETTING E GENEROUS BENEFITS HERE, AND I JT WONDERED HOW THAT CAN BE EXPLAI. AND THEN ANOTHER STATEMENT THATS ME IS THAT IT SAYS, WHEN YOU'REG ABOUT THE RESERVE AREAS AND THE DEVELOPMENT AREAS, WITHIN A PRDT SAYS, OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE RESA THE IS IS EXPECTED TO BE MAINTAA CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
EXPECTED TO BE MAIDEN. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE -- MAINTAINED. I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE MAN, THAT THERE WOULD BE A CONSERVATN EASEMENTS.
AND I'VE DONE MANY CONSERVATION EASEMENTS IN MY CAREER, AND THED A LOT OF DETAILS. A CONSERVATION EASEMENTS.
SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY GOOD ANT THE PROPERTY.
SOME OF THEM ARE POOR AND DON'TT THE PROPERTY.
BUT JUST TO SAY IT'S EXPECTED TD BE IN THERE, AND THAT'S NOT YOU.
THAT'S BEEN IN THIS CODE FOR A G TIME.
THAT IS A REAL CONCERN TO ME. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS PROPOSS REALLY TAKING THE PATIENT AND PG THEM IN A BODY CAST WHEN WHAT'SY REQUIRED HERE POTENTIALLY IS A D TYPE SOLUTION, SUCH AS BRINGING INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS OR NEEDS OR HARDSHIPS TO US ON AN INDIVIDUAS AND THEN WE COULD VOTE ON THOSE. SO I JUST AM RALLY CONCERNED AB.
IT ALSO STATES THAT, AND I DON'T CIRCLED ON HERE, BUT THAT THIS E CHANGED ALSO WITH AN AMENDMENT E FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
SO YOU CAN HAVE ALL THIS. YOU CAN HAVE A CONSERVATION EAS.
EVEN WITH A CONSERVATION EASEMET SAYS IT CAN BE CHANGED WITH AN T TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THOSE OCCUR ALL THE TIME.
THOSE ARE NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULO OBTAIN THROUGH EITHER THIS BODYR APPARENTLY THROUGH THE BOARD OFY COMMISSIONERS.
SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THESE REE AREAS, AND THEY'RE FAIRLY REN JT RESERVE AREAS, 70% UP TO POTENTY 80%, 90% OF A PROPERTY, BUT THOE CHANGED EVEN UNDER A RIGOROUS CS BY A CONSERVATON EASEMENT MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND US.
SO WHAT I SEE HERE IS WAY LESS PROTECTION FOR THE FUTURE OF STS COUNTY AGRICULTURE, AND THAT INS ROW CROP AGRICULTURE, THAT INCLS SILVICULTURE. PEOPLE WONDER WHY THE PRICE OF S SKYROCKETING, AND THAT'S PART OT ITEM 8, HAVING CHANGED THE THREN
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WORKFORCE HOUSING DOLLAR LIMITA. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TIMBERS ARE GOING UP. SUPPLY AND DEMAND, MILLS WERE CD DOWN, SOME DURING COVID. THEY'RE GETTING RESTARTED NOW, O THERE'S A CRUNCH ON THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS IS S LESS OF THE SUPPLY OF TIMBER WHU KEEP DEVELOPING -- NOT YOU PERS- BUT WHEN PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COU, THIS JUST ISN'T IN ST. JOHNS COR IN FLORIDA BUT PLARLT IN SOUTHEN YOU CONTINUE TO DEVELOP SILVICUL LANDS AND TAKE VALUABLE PINE TRR OFF THE MARKET, THAT'S GOING TOE PRICES UP. AND, YOU KNOW, LUMBER REALLY DOW IN TREES, NOT JUST DOLLARS ON T. THAT LUMBER IS WORTH A LOT OF M.AND NOT AS MUCH AS A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITY MAINTAINES COUNTY, PARTICULARLY OUT IN THE, SOUTH WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE C, AND I JUST THINK THIS PROPOSED M
DIMINISHES THAT SUBSTANTIALLY. >> MR. CEARLEY, LET ME INTRODUC, PLEASE. DR. HILSENBECK.
>> YES. >> WHAT THEY HAVE DONE HERE, I , IS THEY'VE INCLUDED THE WHOLE SF THE CODE.
>> YES, I LOOKED THAT UP. >> THAT IS BEING CHANGED.
AND YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO ADDRES SECTIONS THEY AREN'T PROPOSING S TO, SO THOSE ARE NOT UP FOR A VE TODAY, ONLY THE SECTIONS THAT AG PROPOSED TO CHANGE. SO THE PRD PROVISIONS, I DON'T E ANYTHING IN HERE THAT'S BEING CO PRD.
SO, YOU KNOW -- >> THAT IS CORRECT.
OTHER THAN THE AG REQUIREMENTS S ANDIS --
>> ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING WHE APPROVE THESE TYPES OF FAMILY F.
WE'RE NOT OPENING UP THE CAN OFS WITH THE ENTIRE ARE INTERVIEWER.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE TWO YEARSF RESEARCH ON THE PART OF THE STAD
THE PRESENTATION. >> ABSOLUTELY.
BUT I WAS LISTENING AND TAKING . >> I'M NOT AGREEING OR DISAGREEH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT HERE E
ON THAT TODAY. >> THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE, WHW ON MY PHONE WHEN I WAS LOOKING R THIS, I THOUGHT THAT THEIR WAS E CHANGE TO THE PRD LANGUAGE, THEE RED LINE CHANGES, AND I ASKED TS BE PRINTED OUT FOR ME. I USUALLY DON'T GET A PRINTED-OA IEMENTZ, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAA CHANGE IN THE PRD SECTION THAT S RED-LINED? NO? I'M MISTAKEN. OKAY.
>> AS YOU WERE SPEAKING, I WAS G THROUGH THERE MAKING SURE I DIDT
INADVERTENTLY MAKE A CHANGE. >> YOU HAD THAT PANICKED LOOK OR FACING. YOU WERE WHITE IR THAN NORMAL.
>> I HAVE SOME PRACTICAL QUESTIR YOU ON THIS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESS BEFORE I ASK MINE?
>> YIN DONE DOMIN WHO APPLIES T, IT WOULD BE AN MARYLAND FAMILY R THAT WOULD HAVE TO APPLY, SO INO GO THROUGH THIS THEY WOULD HAVEO ACTUALLY BE FAMILY MEMBERS LIVIE SITE?
>> CORRECT. >> SO IF YOU WERE GOING TO DO 5, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE 500 IMMEDIATY MEMBERS?
>> OR 500 AFFIDAVITS SIGNED FOR- >> WHICH IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE COMMISSIONERS IN THIS COUNTY. YOU'RE COMMITTING PERJURY.
SO THE IDEA THAT THIS WOULD OPEA CAN OF WORMS TO HUGE TRACTS OF
DEVELOPMENT IS EXTREMELY UNLIKE. >> CORRECT.
>> THANK YOU MR. MILLER. ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE I GO? I HAVE SOME PRACTICAL QUESTIONS. AND MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOS GOING TO WORK, BUT LET'S TAKE TT COUPLE THAT JUST LEFT HERE TODA.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD TWO H, AND LET'S SUPPOSE IT WERE GOINGA FARM. SO I ASSUME IF THEY BOTH CAME ID SIGNED AFFIDAVITS, THEY COULD TO OUT AND BUILD TWO HOUSES.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT HAPPENS AT TF SEVEN YEARS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS. >> SO IF THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE, IK WITH THE ACREAGE WE CAN USE AS N EXAMPLE WAS 5 ACRES.
>> SO IF THEY PLATTED THAT BEFOR SUBDIVIDED IN THAT MANNER AND TT EXISTED PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 14, , THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXEMPT.
THEY COULD DO A FAMILY FARM. IF THEY COULDN'T MEET THAT EITHR SCENARIO, THEY WHOF TO COME BEFU TO GET THE TWO UNITS.
NOW, IF YOU HAD, SAY, A MOTHER D FATHER COME IN IN 1990, A THINEE PARCEL MEETS THE ACREAGE REQUIR, THEY SIGN THE AFFIDAVIT, TWHEANO START A FAMILY FARM. ONCE THEIR KIDS GET OLD ENOUGH,S SAY YEAR 2000, TEN YEARS LATER,R KIDS COME IN, THEY SIGN THE AFF.
THEY BUILD THEIR HOMES. SO SEVEN YEARS FROM THE TIME THS
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BUILT -- SIGNED THAT AFFIDAVIT,D AUTOMATICALLY SUNSET, MEANING IY WANT TO SELL OFF TO SOMEONE OW T OF THE FAMILY, THEY COULD.ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT THIS POY DOES.
>> BUT IF YOU HAD 39 ACRES, ANDS SAY THAT'S THE MINIMUM PARCEL SR THE ZONING, AND YOU NOW HAVE TWS ON THERE, AND THE PARENTS DIE AE CHILDREN NO LONGER WANT TO LIVE, DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T -- ONE HOUSES NEEDS TO BE BULLDOZED? I'M CONFUSED.
>> SO LET'S SAY IT'S A BE THE A. THE MOTHER AND FATHER DIE.
THEY WOULD EITHER HAVE TO RENT T WITHI THAT SEVEN YEARS.
SINCE THEY SIGNED THE FAMILY FAM AFFIDAVIT.
IF THEIR MOTHER AND FATHER ARE D OR DIE WITHIN THAT SEVEN YEARS,Y WOULD HAVE TO -- AN IMMEDIATE FY MEMBER WOULD HAVE TO PURCHASE TE AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMD SIGN THE FAMILY FARM AFFIDAVIT.
SO I'M WORKING THIS THROUGH MY S I'M TELLING YOU THIS, SO BEAR W.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S -- IT'S A D POINT.
THEN IT WOULD BE SEVEN YEARS AFT LAST AFFIDAVIT WAS SIGNED, IT WN SUNSET. THEY COULD SELL OFF THAT PORTIOE PROPERTY. OTHERWISE, IF IT FALLS WITHIN TN YEARS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME O A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.
>> SO THE SUN SETTING IS NOT --, WHAT'S CONFUSING TO ME, AND THIS LANGUAGE IS VERY CONFUSING. I'VE READ IT SEVERAL TIMES.
AND I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS SOM, QUITE FRANKLY.
I'M ALMOST OF THE MIND TO ASK YO COME BACK.
WHAT I WAS HEARING AND WHAT I'MG IS THAT AT THE END OF SEVEN YEAU HAVE TO MEET THE PARCEL SIZE FOE ZONING TO SELL THE PROPERTY, ANT THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU INTEND. I THINK YOU INTEND FOR, IF YOU'T MEETING THE PARCEL SIZE AT THE F THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD, AS LONG U KEPT IT AS A FAMILY FARM FOR THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD, YOU'RE FINE,U SELL IT OFF TO A THIRD PARTY. BUT FIRST OFF, IF ANY LENDER MAA 30-YEAR MORTGAGE ON THE PROPERTW THAT THE PERSON HAD TO STAY THER SEVEN YEARS IN ORDER TO BECOME , THEY WOULDN'T LEND THEM ANY MON, BASED ON WHAT I THINK YOU HAVE DESCRIBED, BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDI SAY, THE HOUSE MAY HAVE TO BE BD IF IN YEAR FIVE SOMEBODY DIES AD THERE'S NOT ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBT TAKES OVER, THEN YOU DON'T MEETE EXEMPTION. YOU'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ANT PARCEL. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECT?
>> TO SOME EXTENT. SORRY OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMR
A IMREFN PLAN AMENDMENT TO CHAN. >> BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THEE
GOING TO GET IT. >> NOW, I CAN SAY THAT, THAT BAS TYPICALLY WON'T LEND FOR A DWELG UNIT, LEND UNLESS THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY, SO THE FAMILY MEMBERSE TYPICALLY DEEDED OFF AND I BELIE FAMILY REQUIRES TO YOU MEET THEE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LOT DISTRICE IN SO OPEN RURAL WOULD REQUIRE . SO AT AT THAT POINT WHEN IT DOES TERMINATE OR SUNSET AFTER SEVEN, THEY GOT THAT ACRE -- THEY'RE MG THAT ACRE REQUIREMENT, THEY CANL OFF, THEY'RE MEETING THE MINIMUT
SIZE, THEY'RE FINE. >> WE'RE DEALING WITH 20 ACRES,T WE? AREN'T WE DOING WHOLE THING BECE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARCEL TS SMALLER REQUIRED?
>> MAY I SPEAK, MR. CHAIR? >> YES, BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED.
>> OKAY THE. A-I AND THE R/S ARE LAND USE DEN AND RIGHT NOW IT'S 100 ACRES AND 39 ACRES AND WE ARE ASKING FOR S AND 40 ACRES FOR THOSE DESIGNAT. THOSE DESIGNATIONS ARE STILL IN, AND THOSE ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS L STILL NEED TO BE MET.
WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN NOW WITH N AND THEY'RE GOING TO FAMILY FARR 40-ACRE TRACT OF LAND OR THEIR E TRACT OF LAND, AS IT STANDS RIG, THEY WOULD COME IN AND THEY WOUW US -- THEY GIVE US A LITTLE MAPT SAYS THIS IS GOING TO BE MY DAUS AND MY FAMILY MEMBER ARREST, ANN THAT FAMILY MEMBER SIGNS THAT AT THAT SAYS THIS SAYS MY ACRE.
IF THEIR ZONED OR ARE JOE SAID,Y STILL HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING, H WOULD BE THE OR ZONING WHICH WOD REQUIRE THE MINIMUM OF 1 ACRE.
SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 1S FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESN OR BE CONSIDERED AN EXEMPT PARCH MEANS THEY WERE APPROVED PRIOR O SEPTEMBER 14TH, 1990, AND THEN Y COME IN.
THEY HAVE -- LET'S SAY THEY HAVA 10-ACRE TRACT EXEMPT.
THEY COME IN. THEY DO THE LITTLE MAP THAT SHOS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THEIY MEMBER, AND THEN THEIR FAMILY MR COMES IN WITH THEIR 1 ACRE TRACD SAYS THIS IS WHERE MY FAMILY MES
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GOING TO LIVE, AND THEY ARE GOIN PERMIT A HOUSE OR PERMIT SOMETHA DWEBLG UNIT AT THAT DWELR 1 ACRE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING.SO THERE'S TWO DESIGNATIONS ANDR GEGHTDZ MUDDLED HERE A LITTLE B.
I THINK YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR. THE DISTINCTION IS THAT WE HAVEE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE L, BUT UNDER OR WE JUST HAVE A 1 AE REQUIREMENT, AND WHAT I WAS REAO IT WAS -- I WAS MIXING UP THE LE ACREAGE REQUIREMENT WITH THE ZOG ACREAGE REQUIREMENT, AND WHAT YE SAYING IS THEY CAN MEET THE ZONG REQUIREMENT AND NOT MEET THE LAE REQUIREMENT, AND AT THAT POINT E PROPERTY IS MARKETABLE.
IT'S ONLY DURING THAT SEVEN-YEAD WHERE THEY'RE AT EXPOSURE IF FOE
REASON THEY DON'T MEET THE SEVE. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IF I MAY, ALSO, COMMENT AGAI MAY, THIS IS TO A COMMENT THAT DR. HILSENBECK HAD MADE WITH REO SEEING THESE ITEMS COMING UP ANG INDIVIDUALLY TO THE PZA ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.
THAT'S HOW YOU'RE SEEING THEM ND THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL THAT MAE THROUGH TO YOU BECAUSE THEY AREO HAVE TO COME THROUGH WITH COMPRE PLAN OOSSMENTS. NORMALLY WHAT YOU NORM .
NORMALLY IT'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS AND YOU HAVE SEEN ON.
WHENEVER SOMEBODY PURCHASED A PF PROPERTY THAT WAS UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DESIGNATION S UNDERSIZE, PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW, R CAUSE RESULTED IN THEM COMING FO THIS AGENCY AND ULTIMATELY TO TD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO GET L APPROVAL OR DENIAL ON THAT PARTR ITEM, THEY STILL, THAT'S A BIG E PROCESS TO MAKE THEM GO THROUGHE SOMEBODY JUST WENT OUT INTO THEY AND SAID, OKAY WEEK I'M GOING TW SUDDENLY THEY FIND I CAN'T BUILY HOUSE ON THIS 10 ACRES.
>> I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUTT WAS GOING TO WORK.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS POINT OR DO I HAVE EVERYBODY THY CONFUSED? [LAUGHTER] IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTIN THIS ITEM IF SOMEONE WERE LIKE E ONE.
ANYONE. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMD TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMT 2021-WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE -
SUBJECT TO THREE FINDINGS OF FA. >> ALL RIGHT.
SO I HAVE A MOTION, AND IS THERA SECOND?
>> I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THE. >> A SECOND BY MR. ALAIMO.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSI? >> JUST VERY BRIEFLY, THIS ISN'C TRACT STRACT ISSUE. I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD CLIENTS THAE GONE THROUGH THIS WHERE THE FAMD SEVERAL ACRES, 20, 30, 50, AND T TO BUILD A HOUSE, AND THEY WANTA VERY MODEST LOAN, AND FOR THE ET REASON YOU POINTED OUTED, THE BL APPROVE IT BECAUSE IF THEY WEREE TO HAVE FORECLOSE ON IT THEY WOT QUALIFY.
THEY WOULDN'T FALL UNDER THE LAE CODE.
THIS I THINK WITH THE SEVEN YEAU MIGHT HAVE TO GET A HIGHER INTEE FOR IT BUT I THINK A BANK WILL F ON IT THEN.
>> I'M NOT SURE OF THAT BUT AT T IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECT.
>> IT'S MORE LIKELY NOW AT LEAS. >> I'M NOT SURE THEY WILL KNOW,.
MOST BANKS DON'T RUN INTO IT THT DEEPLY.
ANYWAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I WILL JUST SAY THAT I STILLT CONFUSED AND DON'T FULL I FL THE RAMIFICATIONS AND ALL THE ID THE NEED FOR THIS, SO I JUST CAE FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T UNDE, SO -- BUT MY SYMPATHIES WOULD BH THE PEOPLE CAUGHT IN THIS SITUAI WILL STATE THAT. THANK YOU.
[8. Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment - Workforce Housing Zoning District (Transmittal).]
>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MR. MILLER, HOW DOU SPROAT?
>> YES. >> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES.
>> DR. HILSENBECK NO. DR. MCCORMICK?
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A WHILE. DO I WANT TO FIGHT THROUGH THIS% BEFORE WE TAKE A BREAK? THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO.
I THINK THE ONE IS A LITTLE SIM. >> FOR THE MOST PART IT IS.
IT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING. I ALWAYS SAY THAT AND THEN -- TA TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR A COMPRE PLAN POLICY AMENDMENT.
THIS AMENDS POLICY A WHRFN 1N RG WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DISTRI.
THIS WAS APPROVED BACK IN APRIL. WHAT WORKFORCE HOUSING ZONING DT DID WAS ALLOW FLEXIBLE DESIGN SS AND INCREDENCE DENSITY WITHOUT E ADDITIONAL KNIFED PUD IF A DEVER PROVIDED 40% OF THEIR UNITS AS E HOUSING UNITS, AND THOSE WERE DD ASL UNITS THAT SOLD AT A MAXIMUS
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PRICE OF $210,000. THE PROJECTED $210,000 SALES PRE SERVED THE NEEDSTH OF RESIDENTIE THAT FALL WITHIN THE MODERATE IE BREAK THE ARE ARE EARNING WENT H IS SURNLT $75,000.ON APRIL 6, 2021, THE BOARD DIRD STAFF TO REMOVE THE $210,000 MAM SALES PRICE AND REPLACE IT WITHA FORMULA THAT REFERENCED SOME MET WOULD FLUCTUATE WITH THE AMI ORE OTHER METRIC THAT WE HAVE NOT RT OUR FINGER ON AS OF YET. BUT WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES DOT REMOVES THE PRICE POINT OF 210 E COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BACK IN LAST APRIL OF 2020, I BE THE AGENCY HAD RECOMMENDED TO TD THAT IT BE REMOVED AND ONLY BE E LDC BECAUSE IT WOULD REQUIRE FOR HEARINGS TO REMOVE THAT NUMBER. SINCE THEN I THINK THAT WE'VE RD THAT THIS NUMBER WOULD FLUCTUATN ANNUAL BASIS BY ANNUAL BASIS, MT CONDITIONS, ANYTHING, AND THEY'K THAT WE REMOVE THAT FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FIND SOMR METRIC THAT WOULD FLOW A LITTLEE EASILY AND MOVE WITH THE AGENCYT IN IT PERSPECTIVE.
THE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION WAS REO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM SALES PRICM $210,000 TO $240,000 TO REFLECTE RECENT RISE IN RECONSTRUCTION CD
MATERIALS. >> I THINK YOU'RE OUT OF DATE A.
I THINK WE'VE GOT TO RAISE IT A. >> SORRY.
WHAT'S THAT? >> I SAID I THINK YOU'RE OUT OFE ALREADY. I THINK WE HAVE TO RAISE IT AGA.
YEAH, ONCE -- THERE'S FOUR HEARS HERE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY,, TRANSMITTAL.
WE SUBMITTED TO STATE AND REASOE AGENCIES AND THEN IT COMES BACKO PASSED AND BCC JUST TO REMOVE IM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT EXPIS DOING.
THE NOW, IT WILL COME FORWARD, E LDCASS WILL BE A LITTLE MORE SPC AND DETAILED IN GETTING TO THATT MAXIMUM SALES PRICE WILL COME TU HAVE BEFORE YOU FOR ADOPTION SOI BELIEVE IN JULY OR AUGUST.
I THINK IT'S IN JULY. AND THAT'LL PROVIDE A HILL MOREL ON HOW WE GET TO THAT MAXIMUM SS PRICE AND WHAT IT MAY BE.
BUT THIS SIMPLY IS WHAT IT DOESS IT FROM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO WT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO THERE'S TWO MOTIONS HERE FOR,
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUES. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTI? MR. CEARLEY. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
IF NOT, WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOT. >> RECOMMEND TO RECOMMEND FRANCF A COMP AMOUNT OF 2021 SUBJECT TE THREE FINDINGS OF FACT.
[Staff Reports: Next PZA meeting on June 3, 3021 – 9 items.]
>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
DR. MCCORMICK, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES.
>> MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. MS. PERKINS.
ALL RIGHT. TH
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