May 06, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. AND THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO REMIND THE MALES IN THE ROOM THAT SUNDAY IS MOTHER'S DAY, SO IF YOU FORGOT, BE SURE YOU GET OUT THERE AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR MOTHERS IN YOUR LIFE. AND THE SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO WISH THE MOTHERS IN THE ROOM A HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY, SO ANYWAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

I AM GREG MATT, THE MATOVIE CHAIR. LET ME FIRST CONFER THAT THE AGENCY MEMBERS -- WE DON'T HAVE AGENCY MEMBERS PARTICIPATING BY PHONE.

NEVER MIND. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE RESPOND IN THE AFFIRMATIVE,

FELLOW AGENCY MEMBERS. DR. MCCORMICK. >> HERE.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> HERE. >> ROY ALAIMO IS ABSENT.

MEGAN PENSIONER. >> HERE. >> JACK PETER IS ABSENT.

AND ZACK MILLER. >> HERE. >> IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE COORDINATOR AND REDUCE THE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE BOARD BOARD OF Y COMMISSIONERS WAS ADOPTED ST. JOHNS COUNTY EMERGENCY ORDER NUMBER 2020-10 TO PRESERVE PROCEDURES FOR CONDUCTING MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION OOH AND TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING EMAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA GTV OR BY STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE WWW.SJCFL.US.

THE TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING IS (904)209-1269 THE NUMBER CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE. EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

EXPIF BELIEVE THIS IS THE LAST MEETING WE ARE HAVING THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT ELECTRONICS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTE PER SPEAKER. WHILE A THREE-MINUTE COMMENT COMMENT TIMER WILL BE DISPLAYED ON GTV AND THE WEBSITE, DUE TO A DELAY IN THE AUDIO AND VIDEO, I WOULD ASK EACH CALLER TO ALSO SELF-TIME THE THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT WHEN THEY ARE COMMENTING.

PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT, AND THEN AND SPEAK LOUD AND INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO AVOID AUDIO FEEDBACK. AGAIN, THERE IS AN APPROXIMATELY 30-SECOND DELAY IN AUDIO AND VISUAL. VISUAL PRESENTATION ON GTV AND THE WEBSITE. IF WE EXPERIENCE ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE WILL RECESS WHILE THEY ARE RESOLVED AND THEN RESUME THE MEETING. MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING ARE AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES, AND FROM THERE YOU CAN CLICK ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING, AND YOU WILL SEE THE LINKS TO THE AGENDA AND THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS. FINALLY, AND NEVER MIND ABOUT FINALLY BECAUSE THERE IS NO BOARD ATTENDING REMOTELY. OKAY.

AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO TURN ÚIT OVER TO THE VICE CHAIR TO READ THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING DO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS ROYBAL AVAILABLE IN THE FIORE. ANY ADDITION SPEAKS MUST BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN. SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED IN TO STAFF. FUMBLE SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING MEETING AT A TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER'S SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

SPEAKERS MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONY. IF THEY DO NOT, THE FACT THAT TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE AGENCY IN DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THAT TESTIMONY. 2. IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBATIM RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING THE HEARING, SUCH AS DIAGRAMS, CHARTS, PHOTOGRAPHS, OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS, WILL BE RETAINED BY

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BOARD MEMBERS ARE REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE AGENCY. IF SUCH COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED, THE AGENCY MEMBER SHOULD THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. 4, CIVILITY CLAUSE.

WE WILL BE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE. WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO

THE ISSUES. WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK.

OKAY. NOT ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS AN ITEM ZVAR 2020-31 WHICH IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO THE -- WHAT METERING WE CONTINUING THAT TO? TO JUNE, TERESA?

>> MAY 20. >> IT'S BEING CONTINUED TO MAY 20TH.

IT INADVERTENTLY GOT LEFT OFF THE AGENDA AND IS BEING CONTINUED.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO VARIANCE 2020-31 ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL CONTINUE

THAT ITEM UNTIL MAY THE 20TH. >> MR. MATOVINA, COULD WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT, PLEASE.

>> YES, WE CAN. WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THAT ITEM TO

MAY THE 20TH. >> MOTION TO CONTINUE ZONING VARIANCE 2020-31 TO MAY 20,

2021. >> MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. SECOND.

SECOND BY MR. MILLER. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES.

OKAY. WE NOW ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECOND OF THE MEETING. THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, AS WELL AS THINGS ON THE AGENDA.

[1. NZVAR 2021-05 Costco Wholesale at World Commerce Center]

THERE HAS BEEN ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION. >> NONE.

>> NONE. >> NONE. >> NONE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO DISCLOSE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, AND I DID HAVE A LENGTHY CONVERSATION WITH BRAD WESTER YESTERDAY, AND WE DISCUSSED THE ITEM. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT COMPARED TO THE CODE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IT COMPARED TO THE BUC-EE'S APPROVAL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO

MAKE THAT KNOWN. NOW YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER WITH DRIVER MCAFEE, HAWTHORN & DEIBENOW.

125 JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA 32202. I AM THE AGENT, AGENT FOR THIS APPLICATION WHICH IS OUR NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR SIGNAGE FOR THE COSTCO FACILITY. I HAD A LANDING PAGE BUT I GUESS IT GOT ALTERED AND CHANGED SO IT'S OKAY. SORRY.

WORK ON THE FLY. SO OUR -- WITH ME HERE TODAY I HAVE RUSS MCFALL OUR CIVIL ENGINEERING, DOUG OUR ENGINEER AND HEIDI WITH COSTCO. IF THERE'S ANY Q&A I CAN'T ANSWER, I HAVE THEM HERE AS WELL AND THEY ALL FLEW IN FROM VIRGINIA FOR THIS.

COSTCO IS EXCITED TO BE A PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE GROWTH ESPECIALLY FOR THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS AS WE CALL SEE COMING TO FRUITION THESE DAYS.

OUR DESCRIPTION IS A 157,000 SQUARE FOOT COSTCO WHOLESALE AND IT WILL INCLUDE BUILDINGS WALL SIGNAGE. THE SIGNS WILL BE EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED WENT NO INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED AND THERE WILL BE NO MONUMENT OR POLE SIGNAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE RELIEF WE ARE ASKING FOR IS TO LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTIONS FOR SIGNAGE AS RERCHTSED THERE, 7. RO 2-.04 .C AND D TO ALLOW A TOTAL OF 1,778 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL BUILDING WALL SIGNAGE IN LIEU OF THE MAXIMUM 200 SQUARE FOOT PER BUSINESS, AND TO ALLOW A MAX MUM OF 380 SQUARE FEET IN LIEU OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL ONE SIGN OF 150 SQUARE FEET, AND I'LL PUT THAT ALL INTO CONTEXT WITH OUR BUILDING AND OUR REQUEST THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. OUR SITE IS IN THE WORLD

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SOME IMAGES OF OUR FACILITY, AND WHAT OUR PROPOSAL LOOKS LIKE, THERE'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A COSTCO THERE'S 1 MAIN ENTRANCE THAT KIND OF FEEDS INTO THE STORE ITSELF. WE ARE REQUESTING SOME SIGNAGE FOR OUR LIQUOR SALES AND TIRE CENTER THAT ARE ALWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH COSTCO AND KIND OF INTEGRATED INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF. THIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE ILLUMINATION OF OUR SIGNAGE.

OUR SIGNAGE WE DID NOT HAVE EXTERIOR ILLUMINATION SO IT'S EXTERIOR ILLUMINATED AND WE HAVE HOURS OPERATION SO IT'S TURN OFF WHEN THE EMPLOYEES ARE GONE AFTER THE BUSINESS SHUTS DOWN AND THE LIGHTS DO SHUT OFF WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SECURITY LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIPHERAL OF THE BUILDING. HERE IS AY DEPICTION OF OUR BUILDING SITUATED ON THE PROPERTY, SO THE DEMISED AREA OF OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE, AND THEN THE BUILDING ITSELF.

AND THESE LITTLE RED DASHES DEPICT WHERE ALL THE SIGNAGE IS LOCATED.

THIS ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLOATING OUT THERE IS ACTUALLY ON THE ENTRY CANOPY TO THE BUILDINGS ITSELF, AND UP HERE IN THESE LITTLE IMAGES ARE PERSPECTIVE RENDERINGS.

I HAD THOSE BLOWN UP TO A LARGER SCALE AND I'LL SHOW THOSE IN A SECOND BUT IT'S REALLY PUTTING INTO CONTEXT THE VIEWS AND VISTAS OF REALLY THE SIGNAGE COMPARED TO 95 AND WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY. SO ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE SEVEN SIGNS.

WE'VE GOT TO ENTRY SIGNAGE FOR COSTCO. WE HAVE ANOTHER SIGN HERE WHICH IS THE 380 SQUARE FEET. ANOTHER ONE ON THE WESTERLY FACE, SOUTH FACE.

AND THE EAST FACE. AND THEN WE'VE GOT OUR TIRE AND LIQUOR SIGNAGE.

THE CALCULATIONS ARE REALLY BROKEN DOWN INTO THIS. WE'VE GOT FOUR MAIN SIGNS, EACH OF THOSE ARE 380 SQUARE FOOT ON THE BUILDING, AND THEY REALLY ADORN ALL FOUR SIDES.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE LIQUOR SALES AND THE TIRE CENTER SIGNAGE WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THERE WHICH IS ONLY 33 AND 31 SQUARE FEET RESPECTIVELY, AND THEN WE'VE GOT AN ENTRY SIGN RIGHT OVER THE CANOPY AS PATRONS KIND OF FUNNEL INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF WHICH IS 194 SQUARE FEET, SO THE TOTAL TALLY IS 1778. THIS REPRESENTATION -- I APOLOGIZE IT'S A LITTLE NOT CLEAR ON THIS IMAGE WITH THIS PROJECTION BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS IS BROKEN DOWN DESCRIBING -- YOU YOU FIRST PULL IN AFTER YOU YOU OF OFF WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY. YOU SEE FROM MY CURSOR SHOWING THAT IS THE I ENTER OVER THE CANOPY. THAT'S 194 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN THIS SIGNAGE OVER HERE IS THE 380 SQUARE FEET. AND THAT REALLY KIND OF PROJECTS AND PROVIDES VISIBILITY AND PROMOTION OF THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE WALL SIGNAGE ON THIS BUILDINGS IS THE SIGNAGE TOTAL ON THIS PROJECT.

WE DON'T HAVE MONUMENT SIGNAGE. GROUND SIGNS. WE DON'T HAVE POLE SIGNS.

AND THEN GOING AROUND THE BUILDING, THE EAST-FACING WALL WE SEE ONE COSTCO SIGNAGE WHICH WILL BE FACING OUT TOWARDS I-95. AGAIN THT'S A 380 SQUARE FOOT SIGN.

ANOTHER ONE WHICH IS FACING OWTH, AGAIN IF IMPORTANCE OF THAT IS WE ARE ON A LOOP ROAD, INTERIOR TO THE LOOP ROAD, AND WE'D LIKE TO HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE FACING ALL OF THE SECTIONS OF THE COMMERCE WORLD LOOP ROAD. THEN FINALLY ON THE IMAGE AT THE BOTTOM ANOTHER 380 SQUARES FOOT SIGN FACING OUT TOWARDS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY ITSELF. IF YOU LOOK HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SCALE OF THIS, THIS REALLY THE PERCENTAGES OF SIGNAGE COMPARED TO THE WALL FACE ITSELF.

GENERALLY SPEAKING WE'VE GOT 3.7%. 3.5%.

2.3%. AND THEN 3.1%. OVERALL.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN CONTEXT TO THE SIGNAGE WITH REFERENCE TO THE SCALE AND MASS OF THE BUILDINGS ITSELF. HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE, AND THIS JUST SHOWS OUR SIZE AND FOOT INCH SQUARE FOOTAGE. IF PRIMARY CALL WINE FOUR OF THEM AT 380 SQUARE FEET ON ALL FOUR SIDES OF BUILDING. THIS COSTCO WHOLESALE SIGN IS THE CANOPY SIGNOVER THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDINGS, AND THIS THE TIRE SALE SAINS AND LIQUOR SIGNAGE.

HERE'S THE PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS IS THE PERSPECTIVE LOOKING SOUTHWEST FROM WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY, AND I PUT THIS ON HERE, IT'S ABOUT 765 FEET FROM THE PAVEMENT ON WORLD COMMERCE PARK WAY AT TO BUILDINGS ITSELF. SO YOU CAN SEE LOOKING TO THE SOUTHWEST THIS IS ESSENTIALLY FROM I-95 IS TO MY BACK AS I LOOK AT THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW. SO YOU CAN SEE THE MAIN COSTCO SIGN THERE. THAT'S A 380 SQUARE FOOT SIGN. TUCKED IN THERE IS THE TIRE

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SO THE WAY THIS BUILDING IS KIND, ORIENTED IT'S AN IRREGULARLY SHAPED ORIENTATION ONLY BECAUSE OF ITS SITUATION IN THE SITE ITSELF. SO WE THINK THAT YOU'LL GET A BETTER PERSPECTIVE AND VISTA TO THE SIGNAGE ON THE VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING.

THIS NEXT PERSPECTIVE IS 246 FEET, AND THAT'S FROM THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING ITSELF FROM WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY AFTER YOU COME IN FROM INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

BUC-EE'S IS HUNDRED ME AS A STAND AND LOOK AT THIS BUILDING SO IF YOU'RE ORIENTED FROM A PERSPECTIVE STANDPOINT, I'M STANDING IN WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY AND LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND I'LL POINT TO THE 194 SQUARE FOOT SIGNAGE HERE, WHICH IS THE MAIN ENTRY SIGN, AND THEN THE 380 HERE, KIND OF MORE TOWARDS THE CORNER BUT AGAIN GIVES ITS PRESENCE BACK TOWARDS INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND THE ENTRANCE COMING IN OFF OF THAT ONTO WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PARKWAY. THE COSTCO PROPOSED SIGNAGE, THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING TOTAL, ALL SIDES SIX SIGNS, 1,778 SQUARE FEET.

A MAX INDIVIDUAL SIGN AREA ON THE WAREHOUSE IS 380 SQUARE FEET.

THE I-95 SETBACK IS OVER 1,000 FEET TO THE EAST. WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY SETBACK IS 256 FEET TO THE NORTH, 265 TO THE EAST, AND 1200 TO THE SOUTH. AGAIN WE'RE SITUATED INSIDE THAT LOOP ROAD, ROAD, WORLD COMMERCE WASHING PARKWAY. THEN 1600 FEET TO THE INVEST INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY BACK AT THE BUILDING. OUR AVERAGE SIGN RATIO TO THE WAREHOUSE BASE IS 3.7 FEET. 3.7%. AND THIS AREA HERE I WANTED TO GIVE A SCENARIO, IF YOU USE THE CODE ITSELF, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR SIGNAGE IT ALLOWS 1.5 SQUARE FOOT PER FRONTAGE. ON THE NORTH ELEVATION ITSELF WE'RE 423 FEET ACROSS. THAT'S OUR LENGTH ACROSS OFF OF WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY, THE MAIN ENTRANCE. THAT EQUALS 634 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, AND IF WE DEMISED THAT, BASICALLY MEANING THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, IT REALLY IS WRITTEN FOR MA AND PA SHOPS, IN-LINE CENTERS. YOU'RE ALLOWED A MAX MUM OF 150 SQUARE FEET PER SIGN, INDIVIDUAL SIGN. THAT'S IT, REGARDLESS OF SIZE OF YOUR BUILDINGS, YOU CAN'T EXCEED THAT. OH OUR HARDSHIP IS NUMBER ONE THE DISTANCE AND VISTAS FROM WORLD COMMERCE AND IGP AS WELL AS THE CODE ITSELF IN REFERENCE TO OUR BUILDINGS AND THE SIZE AND SCALE AND MASSING. BUT IF YOU WERE TO COMING UP NEXT OUR BUILDING INTO FOUR DIFFERENT UNITS EACH 105-FOOT WIDE THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED A 150 SQUARE FOOT SIGN EACH, AND IF YOU DO THAT THAT STILL TAKES UP 3.6% OF THAT OVERALL SIGN FACE AREA WHICH AGAIN WE'RE AT A 3.7%. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE CODE DESCRIBES TO BE SIGNAGE VERSUS WHAT WE'RE AFTER BECAUSE WE'RE 157,050 FINANCE SQUARE FOOT BIG BOX.

SO THAT JUST KIND OF PUTS IT INTO A FRAME OF REFERENCE HERE FOR THE SIGNAGE.

AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AS WELL, JUST AS A COMPARISON, SINCE BUC-EE'S IS BRAND NEW, THEY WENT TO THAT A NON-ZONING VARIANCE FOR THEIR SIGNAGE AS WELL, AND I DID WANT TO KIND OF OFFER JUST SOME COMPARISONS BECAUSE IT WILL HELP YOU WITH A FLAISM REFERENCE TO WHAT BUC-EE'S GOT APPROVED TO THEIR SECOND TIME AROUND VERSUS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN PERSPECTIVE AND ITS SCALE AND CONTINUITY AND CONTEXT TO THE TWO USES THERE RIGHT NOW. THE BUC-EE'S REVISED PLAN IS FOR THE APPROVAL IS FOR 488.08 TOTAL SQUARE FEET FOR ALL WALL SIGNAGE. OKAY? THEY ARE AT 53,254 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND THEY HAVE A FIVE TOTAL WALL SIGNS.

NO SINGLE SIGN THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS LARGER THAN 150 SQUARE FEET AND, NO SINGLE BUILDING FACADE, WALL SIGN IS GREATER THAN 200 SQUARE FEET. THE LARGEST RASH I DON'T TO THE BUC-EE'S BUILDING FACADE IS PER 4.5%. WHAT THAT MEANS IS ONE OF THEIR SIGNS WHICH THE BUTTON ON ONE OF THEIR FACES IS NO GREATER THAN 4.5 4.5%. OUR IS 3.7%. IF YOU TALLY UP ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE SECOND ROUND OF THEIR APPROVAL ROUND VERSUS THEIR 53,000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, THEY ARE A .92% OF THE SIGN RATIO FOR THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOT OF THE BUILDING. IN CONTEXT TO OURS, WE ARE AT A TOTAL OF 1.1% OF OUR SQUARE FOOT. WE'RE THREE TIMES THE SIZE. THEY'RE 53.

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AND WE DO HAVE SEVEN TOTAL SIGNS. I KNOW IT SAYS SIXES BUT WE HAVE A TOTAL SEVEN SIGNS, AND OUR LARGEST RATIO ON THE BUILDING FACADE IS 3.7%.

THEIRS IS 4.5%. IT JUST GIVES YOU A FRAME OF REFERENCE.

WE'RE VERY MUCH. IN CONTEXT TO WHAT THEIR APPROVAL WAS FOR ALBEIT WE'RE THREE TIMES THE SIZE. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER IF I ANY QUESTIONS, AND I HAVE THE CONSULTANTS AND, OF COURSE, THE OWNERSHIP FROM COSTCO AS WELL, AND I ASK FOR YOUR

RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THE BOARD HERE? YES, DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS SEVERAL TIMES IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND TWICE DURING THIS PRESENTATION YOU SAID THE SIRENS EXTERNALLY LIT VERSUS INTERNALLY LIT.

WHAT IS THE REAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT? YOU SAID THE LIGHTS GO OFF WHEN THE LAST EMPLOYEE LEAVES EXCEPT THE SECURITY LIGHTS. IS THAT YOUR POINT?

YOU CAN'T TURN AN INTERNALLY LIT SIGN OFF? >> YOU CAN.

BUT IN CONTEXT TO -- IT'S A MUCH SOFTER LOOK IN TERMS OF THE EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN.

WE DON'T HAVE A GLOW THAT'S PENETRATING THROUGH THE SIGN ITSELF OUT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT, SO WE DON'T HAVE HEAVY REDS BLEEDING, HEAVY BLUES BLEEDING OUT THROUGH AN INTERNALLY I'LL ILLUMINATED SIGN. WE HAVE LIGHTS THAT COME OUT AND THEY SIGN UP ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE SIGNAGE IS, AND IT'S TURNED OFF ROUGHLY AN HOUR AFTER THE LAST EMPLOYEE LEAVES. THERE YOU GO. SO IT JUST CREATES MORE OF A WASH ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND TURNS OFF. YOU DON'T HAVE THIS GLOW THAT'S 24/SOLVENT BUILDING THE WITH EXCEPTION OF LOW SECURITY LIGHTING, QUHS PRETTY NORMAL.

THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, THAT YOU DON'T -- EVEN FROM IGP, WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PARKWAY AND 95, YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNALLY I ILLUMINATED GLOW 24/7 ON THIS BUILDING. IT'S IN CONTEXT TO ITS HOURS OF OPERATION AND WE'RE TRYING TO

DMIEPT CONTEXT TO THAT. >> OKAY. -- TRYING TO DMIEPT CONTEXT TO

THAT. >> I LIKE COSTCO. I USED TO BE A MEMBER OF COSTCO BUT I DON'T REALLY LIKE DRIVING TO DUVAL COUNTY TO GO TO COSTCO. SO PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE COSTCO COMING, INCLUDING MY WIFE AND HER FRIENDS AND MY FRIENDS, SO I DO LIKE COSTCO.

ONE OF MY GOOD FRIENDS I GREW UP WITH WAS A HIGH EXECUTIVE IN COSTCO.

HE'S RETIRED SINCE. BUT I'M GOING TO SAY PEOPLE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THEY'RE EAGER FOR IT. THEY KNOW IT'S COMING. I LOOKED UP THE COSTCO.

I FIND QUICKLY ONLINE THERE WERE 20 ARTICLES AT LEAST WRITTEN ABOUT COSTCO, ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD, THE TIMES UNION, TV STATIONS, TRADE PUBLICATIONS, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

SO THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. AND COSTCO IS NOT A PLACE TO ME WHERE SOMEBODY JUST DRIVING BY AND THEY GO, OH, WOW, THERE'S A COSTCO. WE SAW THE SIGN, SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL IN THERE AND CHECK IT OUT. YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER.

I ASSUME THAT'S STILL CORRECT, THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER. SO IF YOU ARE, IT'S A DESTINATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING AS A MEMBER TO SHOP AND YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW IT'S THERE.

AND, YES, IT'S THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THE BUC-EE'S, AND YOU REALLY MADE A POINT.

NOBODY'S GOING TO MISS THIS. I DIDN'T THINK ANYONE WAS GOING TO MISS THE BUC-EE'S, AND I THOUGHT THEIR SIGNAGE REQUEST WAS EXCESSIVE, AND IT DID GET SCALED BACK, BUT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE THREE TIMES THE SIZE OF THAT BUC-EE'S. NO ONE IS GOING TO MISS YA'LL FROM ANY OF THE ROADS AROUND THERE, EVEN WITH REDUCED SIGNAGE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, .

WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS NEARLY NINE TIMES THE CODE, WITH THE CURRENT CODE AT 1778 SQUARE FEET. SO I PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE, AND I HOPE YOU'LL SCALE IT BACK. I WANT TO ASK ARE THERE ANY COMMUNITIES IN WHICH YA'LL HAVE BUILT COSTCOS WHICH HAVE MANDATED REDUCED SIGNAGE? I KNOW FLR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT MANDATE REDUCED SIGNAGE ON GAS STATIONS AND CONVENIENCE STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IN GENERAL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE YOU'RE A BIG OPERATION, HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE MANDATED SMALLER SIGNAGE THAT YOU HAVE COMPLIED WITH?

>> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I WOULS OUR ARCHITECT FROM ARCHITECTURE FROM VIRGINIA AND I'LL HAVE HIM ADDRESS THAT. THEY DO A LOT MORE WORK. I'M WORKING ON THIS ONE AND ALSO ONE IN CLERMONT, FLORIDA. DOING A VARIANCE DOWN THERE AS WELL BECAUSE THEIR CODE IS ONLY

LIMITED TO SMALL SIGN FOOTAGE. DOUG. >> THAT'LL BRING UP NIGH

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MEDICATION. >> DOUG BROCK BANK WITH MG 2. MY ADDRESS IS 2444 WEST PARK DRIVE, MCLANE, VIRGINIA, I WORK AS A ARCHITECT. WITH RESPECT TO YOUR QUESTION, AS YOU TRAVEL AND GO TO EACH JURISDICTION, STATE JURISDICTION, THESE SIGN GUIDELINES ARE DIFFERENT, AS MR. WE FONDA A LOT OF THEM ARE WRITTEN MORE FOR THE IN-LINE RETAILERS, THAT -- AND THEY APPLY REALLY WELL TO THOSE SMALLER MAYBE STOREFRONT BUSINESSES, SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE DEFINITELY CHALLENGED WITH AS WE GO FROM STATE TO STATE, JURISDICTION TO JURISDICTION, SO YOUR QUESTION WAS DO WE HAVE -- WE TRY AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO COMPLY WITH THOSE SIGNAGE GUIDELINES AND IN ALL THOSE JURISDICTIONS.

, AND A LITTLE LIKE MR. WESTER LAID OUT, WE TRY AND APPLY THE CODE TO SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE SIDE OF THE WALLS AND STILL MEET THE SPIRIT OR THE INTENT OF THOSE CODES.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE FOUND IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS IS THAT WE -- BECAUSE IT'S A LARGER BUILDING AND YOU CAN SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT ACTUALLY WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, WE'RE CHALLENGED, AND I THINK WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO BREAK UP THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING SO IT DOES HAVE SORT OF VISUAL INTEREST, BUT THE SIGNAGE IS ONE THING THAT WE FIND THAT WHEN YOU DO REDUCE IT TO BE SO SMALL, IT WILL LOOK OUT OF PLACE ON THE BUILDING, AND AS MR. WESTER MENTIONED, THE SIGNAGE DOES SERVE -- YOUR CORRECT, MOST PEOPLE DO KNOW WHERE COSTCO ON, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME PEOPLE GOING THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME SO THE SIGNAGE DOES HELP WITH WAY FINDING AS THEY'RE GETTING OFF THE INTERSTATE AND TRAVERSING A SIDE ROAD.

IT DOES HELP WITH THAT AND THE PARKING. IT SORT OF ALL WORKS IN UNISON.& BUT WE HAVE IN SOME JURISDICTIONS -- WE MAINLY LOOK AT THE VISIBILITY OF THE BUILDING TO THOSE ROADS TO HELP WHEN THAT WAY FINDING. SO I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE ELIMINATED SIGNS WHERE WE'RE BACKING A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE WOULDN'T PUT A SIGN ON THE RAPHER A BUILDING IF IT FACED A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

SO WE STRATEGICALLY LOCATE THE SIGNS. AND THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE HERE WHERE WE'RE FACING THE EAST ROADWAY, THE LOOP ROAD, AND WE'RE STRATEGICALLY PUTTING THAT SIGNAGE TO HELP WITH THAT WAY FINDING FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE COMING THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE BEEN IN THE SITUATION WHERE MAYBE WE'VE REDUCED THE SANITIZE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THAT ROAD ISN'T SO GREAT AS IT IS HERE, SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE CONTEXT.

AS MR. WESTER TALKED ABOUT HERE AND SHOWED YOU IN THOSE SITE PLANS, WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGN A BUILDING THAT IS AESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND THAT THE SIGNAGE IS ALSO FUNCTIONAL AND HELPS WITH

WAY FINDING FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE SITE. >> SO DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU NEED SIGNS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, PARTICULARLY ON THE SOUTH WHERE

IT REALLY FACES A SERIES OF RETENTION PONDS? >> NOT KNOWING, AS YOU KNOW IT'S A LARGER DEVELOPMENT. IT WILL BE BUILT OUT ONE DAY. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PLANS EXACTLY, BUT THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT'S STILL IS FACING BOTH THAT DEVELOPMENT AND THAT ROADWAY TO THE SOUTH, AND THAT YOU WOULD STILL WANT A PRESENCE THERE, AGAIN, FOR WAY FINDING FROM SOMEBODY THAT MAY BE DOWN AT THAT PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO BE ABLE TO STILL SEE, OH, I NEED TO TRAVERSE UP THE ROAD HERE TO GET TO COSTCO. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT SIGN. IT'S JUST TO REINFORCE THAT WAY FINDING FOR SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE COMING HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME OR WHO IS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND IS ASKING MAYBE WHERE COSTCO IS. WE'RE VISUAL PEOPLE, SO THESE THINGS DO HELP PEOPLE TRAVERSE THE ROADWAYS. SO IF THEY'RE NO LOOKING DOWN AT THEIR PHONE ALL THE TIME MAYBE

AS THEY'RE DRIVING. >> YOU'RE GIVING GOOD ANSWERS WITH A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

SO BACK TO MY FIRST QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE I ACTUALLY HEARD THE ANSWER.

DO YOU HAVE COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU'VE HAD MUCH REDUCED OR SMALLER SIGNAGE?

>> A SLIGHT, MAYBE, WE HAVE. I WOULD BE LYING IF I DIDN'T SAY THAT WE'VE HAD TOY MAYBE REDUCE OR, AGAIN, WE WOULDN'T EVEN PROPOSE IT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE BUILDING'S BACKING THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A SIGN FACING A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

IS WE HAVE -- EVERY SITE'S DIFFERENT AND WE ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT SITE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS, NEIGHBORS, AND FRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THAT. SO WE HAVE HAD TO CONFORM.

WHERE WE WOULD LOVE TO PUT SIGNAGE IN A LOT OF CASES LIKE HERE ON ALL SIDES OF THE BUILDING FOR THAT WAY FINDING BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE ON A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, IN OTHERS WHEN YOU'RE BACKING A RESIDENTIAL AREA ON TWO SIDES, YOU WOULDN'T.

THAT WOULDN'T BE A SMART DECISION. >> OKAY.

PLEASE, YOU HAD A GRAPHIC UPER, THERE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN YOUR LAST GRAPHIC. AND YOU HAD ABOUT THE LCD, WHAT IT ALLOWED, AND SO FORTH.

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I ADD THOSE THINGS UP, I COME OUT TO 1,054 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR 1778 OR SOMETHING. BASED ON BUC-EE'S, AND I JUST -- I CAN'T VOTE FOR WHAT SIGNAGE YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE.

IF YOU CURTAILED IT SUBSTANTIALLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM VOTING FOR IT.

RACE SAID, I LIKE COSTCO. A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW LIKE COSTCO.

AND GIVEN THAT WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES COME BEFORE THIS BOARD ON SIGNAGE, IT MUST BE -- THERE MUST BE ONE ON EVERY AGENDA ITEM. THAT'S PROBABLY HYPERBLE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM. I JUST WONDER IF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT SOME POINT -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEM OR NOT, BUT I JUST WONDER IF IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THEM, PERHAPS, THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE UP THE SIGN ORDINANCE AND UPDATE IT. YOU POINTED OUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT SIGN ORDINANCE WAS REALLY FOR MOM AND POP STORES, ONE SIGN ON THEM, AND IT'S JUST NOT KEEPING PACE THE WITH GROWTH AND THE SIZE OF OF BUILDINGS COMING INTO HERE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE WITH THE BUC-EE'S, WE LIKE THE EXEARK AND THE SCHARM OF ST. AUGUSTINE HISTORIC CITY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, AND JUST TO APPROVE THIS MUCH SIGNAGE, I JUST THINK IT'S OVER THE TOP. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD TO REVISIT THEIR SIGN ON THE OTHER HAND AND PERHAPS UPDATE IT. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE, BUT THANK YOU.

>> IF YOU ALLOW ME TO COMMENT. >> SURE. >> THANK YOU.

SO THERE ARE SIGN WAIVERS IN THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER PUD, BUT NONE OF THEM ACTUALLY ADDRESS WHAT BUC-EE'S REQUESTED AND WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. WHAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED AND APPROVED IN THE PUD ARE THINGS, AND THE VERY FIRST SIGNAGE WAIVER IS FOR CON YOU SITE RECONSTRUCTION AND REAL ESTATE SIGNS OF 32 SQUARE FOOT OF ADVERTISING DISPLAY.

32 SQUARE FEET FOR REAL ESTATE RECONSTRUCTION SIGNAGE, ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH TEMPORARY, IF YOU ASK ME, BUT REGARDLESS, THEY'RE NEEDED FOR A REASON, AND THEY ASKED FOR A WAIVER AND RECEIVED A WAIVER BECAUSE IN HERE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS "WILL BARELY BE VISIBLE FROM I-95 "THAT'S LITERALLY A JUSTIFICATION AS A WAIVER. THEY GOT 100 SQUARE FEET FOR EITHER REAL ESTATE OR RECONSTRUCTION SIGNS. AND SO THAT IS REALLY INDICATIVE OF THE SPEED ON I-95 OR THE SPEED ON IT. GP AND NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING -- NOT EVERYBODY IS A BROKER. NOT EVERYBODY IS A DEVELOPER.

NOT EVERYBODY NEEDS A MASSIVE GENERAL CONTRACTOR COME BUILD THEM A BIG BOXED.

BUT THAT WAIVER WAS GRANTED BECAUSE THINGS ARE BARELY VISIBLE.

AND I THINK THAT HASHINGENS S ENS BACK TO IF COAST RESTED SOLELY ON PURE MEMBERSHIP WITHOUT GAINING ANY NEW MEMBERS WHATSOEVER, THAT'S REALLY NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF ANY BUSINESS GROWTH. SO AS THE ARCHITECT DOUG JUST MENTIONED, PEOPLE WILL CONSTANTLY COME THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATIO IS ABOUT IT KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT COME THERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND SO THEY WILL DO THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE HEARD OF IT OR THEY SEE IT. IT WILL HELP WITH ORIENTATION AND WAY FINDING BUT ALSO THE BUSINESS FROM I-95, AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS GOING UP AND DOWN I-95 AND ALSO ON IGP. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PERSPECTIVE HERE, THIS IS ONLY 765 SQUARE FEET FROM WORLD COMMERCE PARKWAY LOOP ROAD AND YOU CAN SEE I WILL SAY THE SIGN IS 380 FEET, IT'S STILL NOTE THAT VISIBLE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE A GLOWING SIGN. IT'S NOT OUT PROTRUDED.

IT'S ACTUALLY AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT THAT'S BLENDED INTO THE BUILDING ITSELF.

AS DOUG DESCRIBED THE DIFFERENT NUANCES THE WITH ARCHITECTURAL LEAF ON THE BUILDING FOR VISUAL INTEREST. THE SIGNAGE IS VERY MUCH IN CONTEXT WITH THAT VISUAL INTEREST TO CAPTURE AS WELL. THEN YOU BACK UP AN ADDITIONALLY HUNDRED FEET AND GO 60 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU BARELY SEE THAT SIGNAGE. WE REALLY FEEL THAT DWHREAGHT FEET, YOU PUT IN IT CONTEXT TO ITS X PERCENTAGE TIMES MORE THAN THE CODE ALLOWS, BUT I REALLY RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO SHOW IT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND CONSIDER IT IN CONTEXT TO THE MASSING AND SCALE OF THE BUILDING AND WHERE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED ON THE LOOP ROAD AND ITS ORIENTATION TO 95 ANDGP AND THE FACT THAT INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED IS VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN EXTERIORLY ILLUMINATED IN TERMS OF PUREST THEY THICS AS WELL, SO WE FEEL THIS REALLY MEETS A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ELEMENTS FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SURROUNDING AREAS AND FOLKS THAT

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IT'S DIFFERENT DURING THE DAY AND DIFFERENT IN THE EARLY EVENING HOURS.

SO WE ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR REQUEST.

WE UNDERSTAND IT'S 1778 IS A BIG NUMBER, BUT IN CONTEXT WHEN WE SHOW THIS PERSPECTIVES, WE REALLY THINK IT'S A VALIDATED IM. I REQUEST. THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THE SIGN CODE.

NOT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE TO PUT A SIGN CODE INTO A PUD. ITS IT SHOULD BE ALLOWABLE ON THE LDC. IT'S REALLY FOR BIG BOX, NOT MEANT FOR MA AND PA AND A RETAIL

CENTER. >> IN RESPONSE TO THAT I WOULD SAY I'VE CONSIDERED THIS REALLY CAREFULLY OVER A WEEK SINCE I GOT THE AGENDA, I READ THE WHOLE AGENDA ITEM TWICE, LOOKED AT ALL THE DIAGRAMS, THE PHOTOS, READ THE TEXT, AND I JUST STILL THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE EXIRKS HOPE, ANE YOU'LL CONSIDER GO COMING BACK -- IT WILL PROBABLY GET PASSED TODAY, BUT IF IT DOESN'T THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK WITH A AT LEAST SLIGHTLY CICADADOWN VERSION THAT I STILL THINK

PEOPLE LABEL TO SEE. >> THIS COSTCO WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE HIGHEST PERFORMING IN

THE NATION. >> WE HOPE SO. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS?

>> YES. >> MR. WESTER, THE SIGN CODE BASICALLY ALLOWS FOR 200 SQUARE FEET PER BUSINESS. THERE ARE SEVERAL BUSINESSES IN

COSTCO, CORRECT? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO COSTCO.

DOUG. >> SURE. SO INSIDE THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF ANCILLARY BUSINESSES. THEY HAVE AN OPTICAL DEPARTMENT, A PHARMACY, THERE'S A FOOD COURT, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AT THE TIRE CENTER. SO WEB YES, IT IS.

AND THOSE ARE THE VALUE ADDED TO THE MEMBERSHIP, BUT IT IS WITHIN THE WAREHOUSE.

>> IF YOU HAD AN INDIVIDUAL FARM YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO GO YOU WILL UP TO 200 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT PHARMACY. A INDIVIDUAL TIRE CENTER 200 SQUARE FEET.

WHILE THIS DOESN'T GREASE THE FACT THAT THE SIZE OF THE SIGN IS LARGER THEAP PROVIDE BY THE CODE I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE DISTANCE FROM I-95 BUT THE REASON WE'RE HERE FOR A NON-ZONING VARIANCE ON THE TOTAL IS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE DECIDED TO HAVE ONE-STOP SHOPPING FOR ALL THESE NEEDS INSTEAD OF HAVING SEPARATE USES WITH SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

>> THAT IS THE CONCEPT, YES. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

AGENCY MEMBERS? YES. >> I THINK THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING POINT THAT MR. MILLER BROUGHT UP, BUT YOU DID NOTE IN THE APPLICATION MAYBE A COUPLE PLACES IN THERE THAT THIS IS SAINL BUSINESS OCCUPANCY, SO YOU STATED IT THAT WAY IN YOUR APPLICATION. YOU DIDN'T SAY WE HAVE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES IN HERE AND WE HAVE TIRES AND GAS AND LIQUOR AND ALL THAT. I MEAN, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT STATED IT WAS A SINGLE USE BILLING BY ONE COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, SO I POINT THAT OUT.

THANK YOU. >> I THINK WHEN YOU WALK INTO COSTCO, YOU'RE -- YOU'RE ALREADY BRANDED IN YOUR MIND EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING THERE IS COSTCO WHETHER GETTING A CRUISE OR BUYING TIRES OR GETTING A PAIR OF GLASSES AT THE OPTICIAN, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

YOU REALLY DON'T DISSEMINATE IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO A DIFFERENT, QUOTE, BUSINESS ENTITY OR LLCSKI WHICH I GUESS COULD TECHNICALLY HAVE ITS OWN SIGNAGE BUT YOU'RE THERE FOR A

ONE STOP SHOP. IT'S ALL ENCOMPASSED INSIDE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF AGENCY MEMBERS? OKAY. LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER WARDS DOLLAR CARDS?

>> NOT ON THIS ITEM, NO. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ON GTV TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM?

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. SO WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AND READY FOR A MOTION IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOUR APPLICATION AND I THINK IT'S JUSTIFIED. I DON'T MAKE MY DECISIONS BASED OFF OF MY PERSONAL OPINION.

SO MY MOTION IS TO APPROVE NON-ZONING VARIANCE 20 THAN THE 21-05 COSTCO WHOLESALE SIGNAGE, A REQUEST FOR A NON-ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTIONS ISN'T PFN 02.04.C AND 7.02 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW 1,778 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL ADVERTISING DISPLAY AREA FOR COSTCO WHOLESALE BUILDING WALL SIGNAGE IN LIEU OF THE MAXIMUM 200 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE PER BUSINESS, AND TO ALLOW A MAX MUM SIZE OF 380 SQUARE FEET OF ADA PER SIGN IN LIEU OF THE MAXIMUM 150 SQUARE FEET OF ADA MER SIGN BAWDZ ON EIGHT FINDINGS AND FACT AND SUBJECT TO FIVE KANSAS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY

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MS. PENSIONER. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> I GOT A SECOND BY MR. MILLER SNRP DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S REGISTER THE VOTE, PLEASE. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM 2 OF OUR AGENDA, I'M GOING TO FIRST ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THERE'S ANY

EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO BE DISCLOSED FOR ITEM 2. >> DROVE BY THE SITE.

>> ANYONE ELSE? DR. MCCORMICK, DID YOU HAVE ANY? OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO AT NOWNT WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO STEP TO THE MIC AND

MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> I AM THE BUILDER OF THAT BEAUTIFUL FENCE ALONG WERE MY GOOD FRIEND AND NEIGHBOR RALPH BROWN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO, BESIDES THE WRITTEN NARRATIVE WHICH I BELIEVE EXPLAINS OUR SITUATION QUITE WELL WITH REGARD TO THE LOSS OF OUR TREES AND BUFFER AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW AND HURRICANE IRMA, I'D ALSO LIKE TO MENTION THAT MYSTICAL WAY UNLIKE MANY OF THE STREETS ON THE ISLAND AND PRACTICALLY EVERYWHERE HAS A 25-FOOT BUFFER ON BOTH SIDES, THUS, I THINK THAT A 6-FOOT HIGH FENCE LOOKS FINE AND IS NOT INAPPROPRIATE COMPARED TO A FENCE ON A STREET WHERE THE LOT LINE GOES RIGHT UP TO THE ROAD LIKE THE ADJACENT STREET TROPIC WAY AND TRADE WIND.

THAT WOULD LOOK VERY INAPPROPRIATE. THEY TO HAVE A 6-FOOT HIGH FENE THEREBECAUSE OF THE GREEN BELT, WE'VEY PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKS THEIR DOG DOWN MYSTICAL WAY REGULARLY. I MEAN, MANY OF THEM TWO AND THREE TIMES A DAY. SO WITHOUT A FENCE OF THAT HEIGHT, I MEAN, THEY WOULD JUST LOOK RIGHT INTO OUR HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO BUILD THE FINISHED FLOOR, WHICH THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS ARE 9 FEET, AND WE ACTUALLY PUT OUR FINISHED FLOOR AT 10 FEET, 10.5 FEET. BECAUSE OF THE -- IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO REDUCE THE FENCE DOWN TO 4 FEET, THE FENCE WOULD EFFECTIVELY ONLY BE 1 FOOT HIGHER THAN OUR FINISHED FLOOR.

NOW, IN MY OPINION, THE CURRENT CODE REGARDING FENCE HEIGHT SEEMS TO BE OUT OF DATE CONSIDERING THAT FEMA REQUIRES FINISHED FLOORS TO BE 9 FEET AS PER THEIR REQUIREMENTS.

AND AS I HAVE LOOKED AROUND THE ISLAND AND THE COUNTY, I SEE MANY 8-FOOT HIGH FENCES.

IN FACT, THE FENCE THAT IS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY JUST TO THE NORTH OF US THAT BORDERS OUR PROPERTY, NORTH GATE, THEY HAVE AN 8-FOOT FENCE THERE. IN FACT, IT BACKS UP AGAINST MY NEIGHBOR ROB RIGHT THERE. HE IS WELL AWARE OF THAT, THAT THERE IS A FENCE THERE.

SO I SEE 8-FOOT FENCES ALL OVER THE PLACE, REALLY, AND MANY OF THEM ARE IN ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND STREETS THAT ARE MUCH TIGHTER AS FAR AS BUILDING TOGETHER THAN HOURS.

SO I BELIEVE THE FENCE LOOKS APPROPRIATE. I PLANTED BOUGAINVILLEA AND JASMINE ON EVERY POST, AND RIGHT NOW THE BOUGAINVILLEA, ABOUT HALF OF THE POST IS GROWING OVER THE TOP. AND THE FENCE IS IN FRONT OF A POND, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS I FENCE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN FRONT OF A POND, AND IT IS 1 FOOT OFF THE GROUND TO ALLOW THE ANIMALS TO GO UNDER IT. IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOLD US THAT THEY HAVE SEEN DEER THAT GO UNDER IT. THERE'S ONE PORTION WHERE A DRAINAGE DITCH GOES, AND THE DEER CAN GO UNDER THE FENCE. AND NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PHOTOS YOU ARE LOOKING AT, BUT IN THE NARRATIVE MARIA CAME OUT AND TOOK A NUMBER OF PHOTOS, BUT I TOOK A PHOTO THIS MORNING -- YES, THERE THEY ARE -- I ALSO TOOK A PHOTO THIS MORNING. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SHOW IT TO

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CAN I BRING IT AND SHOW IT TO YOU OR --

>> IT'S LIKE THE GRAND OLE OPRY. STAND IN THE CIRCLE. >> NOW SHE'S HOLDING UP A STICK WHICH IS A -- FLORENCE IS ABOVE THE FRONT DECK, AND THE STICK REPRESENTS THIS LITTLE STEP-UP TO OUR FINISHED FLOOR, AND THAT IS THE FENCE RIGHT THERE. SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S A -- IT'S NOT A VERY HIGH FENCE IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THE DECK AND IT'S ONLY LIKE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN HER. SO RIGHT THERE IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE FENCE IS ONLY 3 FEET HIGHER THAN OUR FINISHED FLOOR. I WANT TO SHOW YOU ANOTHER PICTURE.

THERE'S A STEP-UP TO OUR FINISHED FLOOR, AND THERE'S ANOTHER PICTURE THAT YOU CAN SEE HOW YOU'D LOOK RIGHT OVER THE FENCE. NOW IF WE LOWERED THAT FENCE 2 FEET, IT WOULD PRACTICALLY BE WORTHLESS. SO -- AND NOBODY ON THE STREET EXCEPT FOR ONE PERSON HAS COMPLAINED ABOUT THIS FENCE, AND HE NEVER DID SO UNTIL AFTER THE FENCE WAS UP ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS, AND ONLY THEN DID HE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, NEVER CAME OUT AND SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ME BUILDING THAT FENCE UNTIL IT WAS ALREADY UP AND THERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. SO EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE STREET PRETTY MUCH HAS TOLD US THAT THEY LOVE IT, ESPECIALLY THE FLOWERS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? DR. HILSENBECK.

>> SIR, YOU STATED IN THE APPLICATION THAT, AND THERE ARE PHOTOS IN THERE AS WELL, AERIAL PHOTOS SHOWING THERE WERE A LOT OF PINE TREES ALONG YOUR EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY PRIOR TO

HURRICANES MATTHEW AND IRMA. >> AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW THEY ALL DIED ONE BY ONE IN THE RELATIVELY SHORT TIME BECAUSE OF THE BEETLES. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

AND THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH GONE COMPLETELY EXCEPT FOR SOME STUMPS.

>> OKAY. SO PINE BARK BEETLES, THEY GOT IN THERE AND DAMAGED AFTER THE HURRICANE SO THEY DIDN'T WIND THROW OR SNAP THE TREES DURING THE HURRICANE?

>> NO, THEY JUST DIED. WHEN IRMA CAME ALONG THEY WERE PRETTY DEAD AND IRMA SNAPPED A FEW OF THEM SO THE COUNTY CAME ALONG AND TOLD ME I HAD TO TAKE DOWN THE ONES THAT WENT ALONG THE ROAD, WHICH I DID AT QUCIAL CONSIDERABLE EX PENSION EXPENSE AND ALL THE INTRSH

PRETTY MUCH GONE. >> YOU ALSO CATED IN THE APPLICATION BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE TO THE WEST OF YOU THAT YOU REALLY ARE NOT ACCORDED A LIVEABLE, I GUESS IS THE WORD -- I. I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT WAS PHRASED IN THERE -- BUT REASONABLE USE OF A LIVING ROOM SPACE AND A DECK SPACE BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE HOUSE TO YOUR WEST.

>> THEY BUILT THE HOUSE 5 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. >> OKAY.

WAS THAT HOUSE BUILT AFTER YOU WERE THERE OR DID YOU BUILD YOUR HOUSE AFTER THAT HOUSE WAS

BUILT? >> WE BUILT OURS AFTER. >> YOU BUILT YOURS AFTER.

>> CORRECT. >> SO THEIR HOUSE WAS ALREADY THERE.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND THEN YOU BUILT YOURS. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> SO YOU ACTUALLY THEN ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE YOU DEPRIVED YOURSELF OF A

LIVEABLE -- >> WE SIMPLY DIDN'T HAVE THE ROOM IN THE BACK.

THE SIDE THAT WE FACE THE POND THERE. I PUT THE DECK FACING THE POND

FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. >> IT'S A NICE-LOOKING PIECE OF PROPERTY.

>> WE LOVE IT ACTUALLY. >> OKAY. I JUST -- THAT WAS THE REAL QUESTION I HAD ABOUT WHICH HOUSE WAS BUILT FIRST. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MS. PERK GLINS DO YOU HAVE POLES, THE POLES ON YOUR FENCE, IS THERE SOMETHING ON TOP OF EACH POLE? IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, THE BLACK POLE. IS THERE LIGHTING ON THERE?

>> ONLY ON THE ONE CORN WHEN I PUT A LITTLE LIGHT UP THERE. >> IT'S NOT OVER SINGLE --

>> NO, NO. >> OKAY. >> JUST THE ONE.

IT'S JUST FOR LOOKS ACTUALLY. I TRIED TO MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK VERY NICE.

>> I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS THE WHOLE WAY, AND THEN IF YOU WERE COUNTING THAT AS PART

OF THE EQUIPMENT. >> NO. BUT THE MEME WHO LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, THEY DO NOT WANT TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.

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IT. THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM AGENCY MEMBERS? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, MR. UNDERWOOD. WHEN DID YOU BUY THIS PROPERTY? AND WHEN DID YOU BUILD THE

HOUSE? >> BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN SPRING OF 2014.

WE STARTED RECONSTRUCTION IN 2015. AND WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE HIRING CONTRACTORS, IT TOOK US QUITE A WHILE AND THEN HURRICANES CAME ALONG, AND IT'S BEEN A REAL CHALLENGE, BUT WE FINALLY GOT IT IN. THE PERSON THAT DID MAKE THE COMPLAINT -- I WON'T MENTION HIS NAME -- BUT I THINK HE'S SORE WE TOOK SO LONG TO BUILD, BUT I TRIED TO KEEP IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE THE WHOLE TIME I BUILT. I DIDN'T LEAVE PILES OF JUNK OUT IN THE FRONT. I PICKED UP EVERY BIT OF LITTER, YOU KNOW.

BUT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE FINE WITH IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

MY SECOND QUESTION, SIR, IS, IS THERE ROOM OR WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN ROOM, HAD YOU KNOWN ABOUT THE SETBACK, TO PLACE THE FENCE 25 FEET FURTHER BACK ONTO YOUR PROPERTY?

AND WHAT WOULD THAT HAVE DONE TO THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IN. >> WELL, YOU COULDN'T HAVE GONE FURTHER TOO MUCH BECAUSE YOU'D RUN INTO THE WATER ON A GOOD PORTION OF THE FENCE, THE POND.

OTHER THAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT'S ROT RIGHT OF HOUSE 5 FEET

AND THEN IT CUTS IN. SO -- >> SO LET ME ASK YOU THE QUESTION A DIFFERENT WAY. IF YOU HAD KNOWN ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT, OKAY, WOULD YOU THEN HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH FORCED TO COME HERE AND ASKED TO ACHIEVE THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE THAT YOU HAVE ACHIEVED TO ASK FOR THE VARIANCE REGARDLESS IS MY QUESTION.

>> I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LOOKED REALIZE THERE WAS A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT.

I HAD A TEMPORARY FENCE BEFORE THIS ONE WENT UP. IT WAS KIND OF RECONSTRUCTION BARRIER SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T SEE ALL OF THE RECONSTRUCTION. AND NOBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT, AND IT WAS UP FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, AND SO I THOUGHT I WAS BETTERING THE FENCE BY PUTTING UP A NICE VINYL FENCE WITH BLACK POSTS. THE FACT THAT I NEVER HEARD OF ANYBODY, A SINGLE PERSON COMPLAIN PROMPTED ME TO PROBABLY PUT THE PER NENT FENCING IN.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. UNDERWOOD. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT. IS THERE ANY SPEAKER DISMARDZ.

>> YES, WE HAVE FIVE SPEAKER CARDS. THE FIRST ONE IS COST TANSO WILLIAMS. -- COST TANS COSTANZO WELC. YOU'VE HAVE THREE MINUTES AFTER

YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND AIR DRESS. >> MY NAME IS COST TAX A WELCOMES AND MY ADDRESS IS 23 THRFL MYSTICAL WAY. ACTUALLY I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE REASON WE BUILT THAT FENCE WAS BECAUSE OUR TERRAIN IS VERY UNEVEN. ALSO, SAFETY BECAUSE THERE ARE FAMILIES AROUND, AND BEFORE WE PUT THE FENCE, THERE WAS A FATHER THERE WITH TWO LITTLE CHILDREN PLAYING AT THE POND, AND THAT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW AND WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW DEEP THE POND CAN BE, AND SO WE WANTED TO AVOID ANY ACCIDENTAL SITUATIONS. AND ALSO, LIKE HE MENTIONED, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A FRONT -- A BACKYARD, OUR BACKYARD IS OUR SIDE YARD, AND THAT'S WHERE THE FENCE IS, IT FACES THE FENCE, AND IN THE EVENING WHEN THE CARS TURN AROUND, THEY LIGHT THE LIGHTS ON OUR BACKYARD -- I MEAN ON OUR LIVING ROOM. AND SO IF WE LOWERED THE FENCE, THEN WE LOVE HAVE WOULD HAVE ALL THE LIGHTS SHINING UP ON OUR FACES.

AND I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SHARON SAN KNOT.

>> MY NAME IS SHARON AND I LIVE AT 317 MYSTICAL WAUGH. I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM.

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AND WHEN WE MOVED THERE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO AND WHEN WE FIRST MOVED THERE, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF KIDS LIVING NEXT DOOR TO US ACROSS FROM THEM, AND THOSE KIDS SPENT THE MAJORITY OF THEIR FREE TIME ON SKATEBOARDS GOING ACROSS THE STREET BACK AND FORTH ON A DECLINE AND THEN BACK UP ACROSS THE STREET. WITHOUT THAT FENCE THERE, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO STOP THOSE KIDS FROM VEERING ON OVER IN THE GRASS AND INTO THE POND. AND THAT -- I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT FENCE IS THERE AS A PROTECTION TO THE OTHER CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA.

AND THE OTHER CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE DOWN THERE A LOT.

IT'S AN AREA WHERE THE PEOPLE GET OUT AND WALK EARLY IN THE MORNINGS JUST FOR EXERCISE, SOME OF THEM. SOME OF THEM WALKING THEIR DOGS, PUSHING THE KIDS, LITTLE KIDS IN STROLLERS. IT'S APE FAMILY A FAMILY . AND THEN THEY ARE BACK IN THE EVENINGS ALSO DOING IT AGAIN. AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE AS MANY AS FOUR DOGS THEY'RE TAKING UP AND DOWN THERE, WHICH IS FINE. THEY ARE ALL OUR NEIGHBORS. WE ENJOY SEEING THEM.

BUT THAT FENCE IS A PROTECTION TO THE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THERE SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR KIDS ENDING UP IN THAT POND. AND THERE'S SOME LITTLE BOYS THAT COULD GO OVER A SHORTER FENCE VERY EASILY, AND THAT WOULD BE TEMPTING TO THEM IN THE EVENINGS WHEN THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH LIGHT AND THEY GET AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS, SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD DER ALTERNATE. AND IT'S LOVELY. WE ENJOY IT.

IT'S VERY WELL LANDSCAPED AND LOVELY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THE THE NEXT SPEAKER IS THOMAS SAND

SANOFF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M THOMAS IS ANOFF ADDRESS 317 JESSICA WAY. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANYTHING LEFT TO SAY.

MY WIFE SAID JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING, I SAID. WE WE LIVED THERE A WHEN I WILL LITTLE OVER A YEAR. I'M 87 YEARS OLD. I ENJOY THE STREET AND ENJOY THE PRIVACY. IT'S JUST A NICE, QUIET AREA, AND IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NEIGHBORS WALK UP AND DOWN AND IT'S NICE TO SEE JUST THE QUIET IN ITS, AND THE FENCE BLENDS RIGHT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A PLUS FACTOR.

AND I ENJOY IT, AND I WOULD HATE TO SEE IT ALTERED IN ANY WAY. IT'S JUST NICE.

AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NICE. AND YOU SEE PEOPLE HERE ARE IN SUPPORT OF IT.

NOBODY OPPOSES IT. SO WE'RE ALL FOR IT. IT SEEMS LIKE THE WAY TO GO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? >> APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBERT WILY. >> MY NAME IS ROBERT WILY I LIVE AT 344 MISS 344 MYSTICAL WE ROAD FROM THE FENCE. I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 2010, AND THAT POND HAD A LOT OF DEAD TREES AND DEAD BRUSH IN IT. THE POND IS A LOT LOWER THAN THE ROAD, WHICH IT WAS VERY UNSIGHTLY TO COME AROUND THAT CORNER AND SEE THAT POND THERE.

NOW, FOR A WHILE WE HAD DRUG ADDICTS LIVING IN THERE, AND THEY WERE NEEDLE USERS, AND IT TOOK SOME DOING TO GET RID OF THEM, AND IT WAS A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO STUMBLE ACROSS A NEEDLE, PUNCTURE THEMSELVES.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'D END UP WITH. BUT THE FENCE HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD DETERRENT FOR THAT AND OTHER REASONS. THE VISUAL ASPECT OF IT, BEING ANY LOWER, IT WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. CAN CLIMB A FOUR FOOT FENCE PRETTY EASY, BUT BESIDES THAT, ALL THE DEAD THINGS THAT WERE IN THAT POND WERE SO UNSIGHTLY FOR MANY YEARS COMING AROUND THAT CORNER. AND IT'S BEEN A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT FENCE. IT IS SET BACK.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S RIGHT ON TOP OF THE STREET. AND THE POND IS QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN THE STREET, SO THE ADDED HEIGHT OF THE FENCE BLOCKS ALL -- THERE'S STILL A LOT OF

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BELIEVE, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

WE ALSO HAVE A SPEAKER CARD AGAINST FOR THOMAS UNDERWOOD, SO YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, SIR, BUT

DID YOU WISH TO PROVIDE FURTHER COMMENTS? >> NO.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. SO THAT BRINGS US BACK INTO THE AGENCY UNLESS THE MR. UNDERWOOD, YOU DO HAVE A RIGHT TO REBUTTAL, BUT I THINK YOU SAID YOU'RE FINISHED. OKAY. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A

MOTION. >> I WILL UPHER MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARIANCE 2020-16 REQUEST FOR ZONING SARAH VAIR CRANCE TO SECTION 2.02.04. B2012 BOTANICAB OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ALLOW A 6-FOOT FENCE WITHIN THE 25 FEET OF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE IF LIEU OF THE 4-FOOT REQUIREMENT SPECIFICALLY FOUR FINDING FE FIND NGTS OF FACT.

>> HAVE A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS AND, DR. MCCORMICK, I SEE YOUR NAME HERE.

[3. MINMOD 2020-21Smith Family Pool]

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT? SEEING NONE, LET'S RECORD THE VOTEOKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER 3. IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO PRESENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 3?

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS HOLLY HULL AND I AM A DESIGNER FOR PREMIER OUTDOOR SWIMMING POOLS. WE'RE A DESIGN AND SWIMMING POOL BUILD FIRM.

>> COULD YOU SPEAK MORE CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. >> YEP.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS HOLLY HULL. I'M A DESIGNER WITH PREMIER OUTDOOR.

WE BUILD SWIMMING POOLS AND HARD LANDSCAPES. >> DRESS.

>> ADDRESS 103 BLACKWELL ROAD. THANK YOU. I'M HERE WITH MR. AUSTIN SMITH.

HE IS THE EXPHOARM I'M JUST HERE REPRESENTING HIM. AND WE ARE ASKING FOR A MODIFICATION OF THE REAR SETBACK SO THAT IT WILL ALLOW THEM TO PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL.

CURRENTLY THERE'S A 10-FOOT SETBACK IN THE REAR, AND I BELIEVE MR. SMITH WAS TOLD THAT WHEN HE BUILT THE HOME THAT WE WOULD HAVE ROOM TO PUT A SWILLING POOL IN THE BACK.

AFTER THE HOME WAS COMPLETED, HE CALLED ME OUT TO DO AN EVALUATION OF THE PROPERTY IN CONSIDERATION FOR A SWIMMING POOL. MEL WHEN I SAW IT, I REALIZED THAT A PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FIT INTO THE BACK WITH A 10-FOOT SETBACK.

IT WOULD HAVE MEANT THAT THE POO WOULD BE 4-FOOT WIDE, WHICH WAS NOT WORKABLE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED AT THAT POINT TO APPLY TO THE HOA TO SEE IF THEY WOULD A MOVE A 5-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF A 10-FOOT SETBACK WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE POOL TO BE 8 FEET WIDE INSTEAD, AND THEY DID APPROVE IT. I BELIEVE MR. SMITH ALSO HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT'S CURRENTLY AROUND HIM, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE LOCATION. HE'S LOCATED IN OXFORD ESTATES OFF OF LONG LEAF PINE. AND THIS IS A SURVEY. SO IT SHOWS THE SHAPE OF THE POOL AND WHERE IT WOULD BE LOCATED ALONG WITH A SAMOA SPA AND THE BRICK PAVERS.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED 5-FOOT SETBACK IN THE REAR AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE 10-FOOT SETBACK OFF TO THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.

>> AS WE BUILT THIS HOME, WE WERE -- WE PLACED THE HOME ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE BUILDER, AND THEY ASSURED US THAT THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR A POOL.

WE JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD ONLY BE 4-FOOT WIDE. THE WAY THAT OUR LOT IS SHAPED, IT'S VERY PIE-SHAPED, SO FROM THE SIDES OF THE HOME IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANY

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CURRENTLY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SOLD BY THE BUILDER, AND SO PART OF OUR URGENCY TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU IS TO UTILIZE DIRT TO GET BACK TO BACK OF OUR YARD. ONCE THOSE HOMES ARE BUILT, UNFORTUNATELY THERE JUST WILL BE NO ROOM TO DO THAT TYPE OF RECONSTRUCTION, AND WE DO INTEND FOR THIS TO BE A FOREVER HOME FOR US. I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 30% OF OUR COMMUNITY HAS POOLS ON THEIR PROPERTY. AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE SAME VALUE AND ADD VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL IN PUTTING THIS POOL IN AS WELL AS TIME FOR OUR KIDS TO ENJOY BEING HOME AND HAVE FRIENDS OVER AND ENJOY WATER AND HEAT OF THE SUMMER.

>> COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR. >> MY NAME IS AUSTIN SMITH AND

MY ADDRESS IS 103 BLACKWELL ROAD. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> SO THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I SEE NOBODY ON THE IN SPEAKER LIST. NO QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW ABOUT ON GTV?

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON GTV INTH. >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. SO WE'RE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION.

I FORGOT TO ASK YOU ALL ABOUT SPART COMMUNICATION. THERE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION

TO DECLARE? >> NONE. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, PLEASE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MOD 2020-21 SMITH FAMILY POOL REQUEST FOR A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE OXFORD ESTATES PUD, TO ALLOW FOR 5-FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK IN LIEU OF THE 10-FOOT REQUIREMENT TO COME DATE PLACEMENT OF A POOL, SPECIFICALLY ELECTED 103 BLACKWELL ROAD BASED ON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> I'VE TO GET A MOTION AND A SECOND, AND I SEE YOU ON THE SPEAKER LIST, DR. MCCORMICK. WHY YOU WERE YOU JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION?

[4. REZ 2021-06 920 Francis Street]

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTECONGRATU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 4.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS FOR ITEM NUMBER 4?

>> NONE. >> NONE. >> NONE.

>> NONE FROM THE CHAIRMAN, EITHER. >> I'M BILL WEINSTEIN.

I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 920 FRANCIS STREET, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT PROJECT RES 2021-06, 920 FRANCIS STREET. AND I'M HERE TO REQUEST A ZONING CHANGE FROM -- MY PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NOW AS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE LIVE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE FROM IT COMMERCIAL CN TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RS-3 IN ORDER TO MAKE RENOVATIONS ON ONE OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY AND TO HAVE THE SAME ZONING DESIGNATION AS ALL THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOCATED AT.

WE'RE LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCIS STREET AND JOSIAH, AND THAT WHOLE AREA IS ALL RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MY PROPERTY IS ALREADY FOR FUTURE USES LOCATED, DESIGNATED AS RESIDENTIAL, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS NEXT ONE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

EVERYBODY ELSE, THE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL.

I'M SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL AND MOBILE HOME RESIDENTIAL AND AND WE'D LIKE TO RENOVATE THE GARAGE, SO WE -- THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY, TALKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF THE LAND THAT I -- I'M A LITTLE SHOOK UP HERE. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTO OF MY LAND AND THE SURROUNDING HOUSES, AND THEY'RE ALL SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS, AND THEY'RE ALL ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILIES.

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YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT MY CASE. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I

CAN ANSWER THEM NOW. >> THANK YOU, MR. WOINSKI. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS

OF MR. WOINSKI? >> I JUST HAVE ONE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, SIR, ABOUT DO

YOU KNOW WHY THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONE COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? >> NO.

NO. NO. SPEAKING TO A SALEENA RANDOLPH, AND SHE SAID THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS IT ZONED AS RESIDENTIAL.

I HAVE NO IDEA. WE BOUGHT FROT THREE YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS NEVER INCLUDED IN ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL. WHEN I TALKED TO A DRAFTSMAN, I WANT TO SEE ABOUT PLANS AND WHAT I'D HAVE TO DO. HE WENT TO THE COUNTY, AND HE TOLD HIM IT WAS COMMERCIAL, AND THAT IS WAS KIND OF SHOCKING. AND I STARTED THE PROCESS TO

HAVE IT CONVERTED TO A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER

CARDS? >> NONE. >> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS

ON GTV? >> NO PUBLIC PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY AND LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL REZONING 2021-06, 920 FRANCE STREET A REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELIY . RO III ACRES OF LAND FROM COMMERCIAL, NEIGHBORHOOD CN TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY SPECIALLY LOOK AT THE 920 FRANTSZ STREET BASED ON FOUR FINDS NGSZ OF FACT.

[5. Adoption Hearing for COMPAMD 2018-06]

>> MOTION BY MS. PENSIONER. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY DR. MCCORMICK.

GOT ONE IN THERE. ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE MEMBERS HERE? SEEING NONE, LET'S VOTE. ALL RIGHT. YOU DO NOT STICK OUT LIKE A SORE

THUMB ANY MORE, MR. WOINSKI, OR AT LEAST YOUR PROPERTY DOESN'T. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> GOOD LUCK WITH IT. LET'S MOVE ON TO NUMBER 5. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

JAN BREWER, GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND WITH ME IS LARRY MILLER OF THE COUNTY UTILITIES.

THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO ADHERE TO FLORIDA STATUTE 163.

AS YOU KNOW, THAT STATUTE REQUIRED US TO DEVELOP A WATER SUPPLY PLAN, AND THEN TO REVIEW OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR ANY CHANGES NEEDED TO SUPPORT THAT WATER SUPPLY PLAN.

THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE SEVERAL COMPONENTS.

THE -- OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT PREPARED THAT PLAN. WE HAVE HAD IT OUT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC VIEW AFTER THAT WAS PREPARED. WE THEN REVIEWED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND AS YOU WERE AWARE, WE ADDED SIX POLICIES TO SUPPORT THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN. WE REVISED SOME POLICIES TO UPDATE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND ALSO TO UPDATE AGENCY NAMES AND DO SOME MINOR CLEANUP LIKE THAT. AND THEN WE DID DELETE SOME DUPLICATE POLICIES OR SOME THAT BECAME OBSOLETE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT WATER OF SUPPLY PLAN. THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING. SO AS YOU RECALL, IN JANUARY WE CAME TO YOU FOR A TRANSMITTAL HEARING. YOU VOTED TO TRANS -- RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IN FEBRUARY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAD A TRANSMITTAL HEARING. AND THEN THEY APPROVED THE TRANSMITTAL TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. WE THEN SENT THAT DOCUMENT OFF.

WE HAVE RECEIVED FIVE AGENCY LETTERS, ALL OF THEM HAD NO COMMENTS FOR ANY CHANGES TO EITHER THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS.

SO AGAIN, TODAY THIS IS THE PROPOSED ADOPTION HEARING BEFORE YOU.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. MILLER, HAVE YOU GOT

ANYTHING TO SAYSOME. >> NO, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF JAN OR MR. MILLER? SEEING NONE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC

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COMMENT? >> NONE. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON GTV?

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. WE ARE BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR

A MOTION. MS. PERKINS? >> I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT.

MOTION TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION EVER COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2018-06 AN ADOPTION OF THE WATER SUPPLY

FACILITIES WORK PLAN BASED ON THREE FINDINGS OF FACTS. >> OKAY.

I'VE GOT A MOTION BY MS. PERKINS. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> I'M GOING GIVE THAT TOUCHDOWN DR. HILSENBECK, DR. MCCORMICK.

SECOND BY DR. HILSENBECK. ANY DISCUSSION? I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON THE SPEAKER'S LIST. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE

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