Apr 20, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[9. St. Johns County Golf Course Renovation. At the 2/16/21 BCC meeting, the Board of County Commissioners directed staff to prepare recommendations related to St. Johns Golf Club renovation and how to meet the proposed deficiencies of the Golf Course. Staff has identified recommended plan and associated projects, as well as proposed funding mechanisms for the renovation of the Golf Course. These items are being brought before the Board for discussion.]

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>> ON FEBRUARY 16, THE BOARD REACHED A CONSENSUS AND GAVE STAFF DIRECTION TO REALLY PREPARE RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF CLUB AND RENOVATION BECAUSE THE CLUBHOUSE AND ALSO THE GOLF COURSE IS A FACILITY AND WE ARE EXPERIENCING DRAINAGE AND IRRIGATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE AND THE GOLF COURSE LOSES A LOT OF GROUNDS BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY RAINFALL, WHICH WE ESTIMATE AMOUNTS OF APPROXIMATELY 100,000 IN LOST REVENUE. SO THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU WILL OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF TO LOOK AT AN OVERALL RENOVATION PROJECT FOR THE BOTH COURSE AND THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE BOARDWALK. AND REALLY THE OBJECTIVE OF THIS PRESENTATION AND THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO SUPPORT THE BOARD'S DECISION MAKING A DECISION TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE A REALLY CRITICAL COUNTY ASPECT. WE START WITH IRRIGATION AND DRAINAGE. COUPLE OF COMPONENTS WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND FOR A RENOVATION AND REVAMPING SO THE FIRST SIGHTING IS THE MOST CRITICAL ONE IS A REPAIR OF THE RENOVATION AND DRAINAGE SYSTEM. WHAT IS REALLY NOT OUTLINED IN THIS COST ESTIMATE OF 4.9 IS ALSO THE RENOVATION OF THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF AND IT INCLUDES THE GRASPING AND THE BUNKER AND ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE GOLF COURSE. A SECONDARY DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS ALSO RECOMMENDED BY OUR ENGINEERING STAFF IS REPLACEMENT OF 500 FOOT OF PIPE SYSTEM AND THE COST ESTIMATE IS ABOUT $250,000.

AND THAT LEADS US TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND CAR BARN RENOVATION RECOMMENDATION.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A FACILITY THAT WAS BUILT IN 1989, AND WE HAVE BEEN REALLY STRUGGLING AND KIND OF DUCT TAPING AND DEALING WITH THE AGE OF THE FACILITY, DUE TO THE SIZE AND ALSO NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUE FOR ADA PARKING, BATHROOMS AND ALSO THE BREEZEWAY, CAR FLOAT AND POTENTIAL DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THE LACK OF SPACE FOR GROUP OUTINGS AND STORAGE. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING AS A STAFF TO INCREASE SOME OF THOSE CAPACITIES SUGGESTING SAFETY ISSUES AND ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES, AND THE COST ESTIMATE WE ARRIVED AT IS ABOUT $1.4 MILLION.

BECAUSE THIS ASPECT -- ASSET WE HAVE TALKED THIS THROUGH ON A STAFF LEVEL AND I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS A CRITICAL COUNTY ASSET, NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO ITIS A GREAT TOURISM ASSET, AND THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE FACILITY AND ASSET ALSO WENT OUT WITH THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE PUT TOGETHER A FUNDING SOURCE -- A BREAKDOWN OF A FUNDING SOURCE THAT WOULD REALLY REFLECT THE VALUE OF THIS FACILITY TO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE COUNTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE TOURISM ASSET COMPONENT OF IT.

53 PERCENT OF THE PLAY IS IDENTIFIED AS A NONRESIDENT, AND 33 PERCENT OF THEM IS OUT-OF-STATE AND 20 PERCENT OF THEM IS OUT OF COUNTY. SO THERE IS NO DOUBT IT'S A VERY POPULAR AND CRITICAL TOURISM ASSET AS WELL. AS WELL AS A COUNTY RESIDENTIAL RECREATIONAL ASSET.

CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE, IF TODAY, THE BOARD GIVES STAFF THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORTH WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND RECOMMENDED PROJECT BREAKDOWNS, WE ARE LOOKING AT A TIMELINE OF NINE MONTHS. WE ARE HOPING WE CAN START A CONSTRUCTION IN 2022 SO WE CAN

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AT THE FEBRUARY BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USE OF SURPLUS LAND AND THE CONCENTRATIONS OF HOW WE CAN UTILIZE THE SURPLUS LAND.

ONE BIGGEST CONSIDERATION WOULD BE A FIRE/RESCUE STATION, SHERIFF'S OFFICE, SOUTHWEST REGIONAL COMMAND CENTER JOINT FACILITY AND KIND OF PLACE THAT FACILITY AT THE FRONT OF THE GOLF COURSE, THE SURPLUS OF 16 ACRES. IT IS PRESENTED BY THE FIRE CHIEF, PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND HIS MASTER PLAN AND KIND OF FUTURE VISIONING OF THE COUNTY, A FIRE/RESCUE STATION, A SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMAND CENTER AT THAT LOCATION IS VERY MUCH OVERDUE NEEDED FOR CURRENT RESIDENTS. CURRENTLY, THERE ISN'T REALLY ANY FIRE STATION WITHIN FIVE MILES FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

SO WE RECOMMEND THAT IF TODAY THE BOARD WANTS TO GIVE THE STAFF DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THE COST FOR THE DESIGN ENGINEER APPROPRIATION IS 335,000, AND OMB AS IDENTIFIED FUNDING IS AVAILABLE IN THE FIRE DISTRICT FUND. ALSO THE EMS IMPACT FEE IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION THE BOARD HAD GIVEN FOR THE SURPLUS LAND AT THE BACK END OF THE GOLF COURSE IS THE 60 ACRES OF A SURPLUS LAND WHICH WAS REALLY THE NINE OLD THAT IS NOT BEING USED.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND HOA MEETINGS. RESIDENTS TALK ABOUT THE DESIRE TO USE FOR THE FACILITY AND SOME OF THEM INCLUDE DISC GOLF COURSE AND WALKING TRAIL, STAFF CAME UP WITH SOME PRELIMINARY COST ESTIMATES JUST FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.

SO AT THIS TIME, I THINK THAT THE PRIMARY EMOTION THAT THE STAFF HAS ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IS TO PROPOSE A FUNDING AND DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE RECOMMENDED RENOVATION PROJECTS, IDENTIFY FOR THE ST. JOHNS GOLF CLUB OR ANY ITERATION OR REVISION TO THE RECOMMENDATION. AND THERE'S ALSO ON THE TABLE AND OPTIONAL MOTION THAT IS RELATED TO -- SPECIFICALLY TO FIRE RESCUE AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND POTENTIALLY MAY BE CONCEPTUAL DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON THE SURPLUS LAND RELATED TO THE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION, AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY A TEAM OF STAFF WHO WAS AVAILABLE HERE TO INSERT QUESTIONS -- ANSWER QUESTIONS AND ARE EXCITED TO SEE THE PROCESS THROUGH. WE HAVE WES TUCKER WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE READY TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK OR ANY ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AS WELL AS

OUR BUDGET TEAM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU HAVE TO BE IN TALLAHASSEE REPRESENTING THE YEAR.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER I SEE THESE GENTLEMEN HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THESE OPTIONS?

>> GOOD MORNING AGAIN. IN 2018, I THINK IT WAS JUNE 5, I PRESENTED A MASTER PLAN FOR FIRE/RESCUE AND IT INCLUDED THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY REMAINING EFFORT WE DID IT WAS A FIRE/RESCUE FACILITY LOCATED WEST OF I-95. THIS PROPERTY BECAME AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE DONE AN EVALUATION OF IT AND IT WOULD WORK WELL FOR US AS A FIRE STATION.

IT'S CRITICALLY NEEDED. YOU SEE THE ROAD ON 207 A NEW SCENE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AT I-95 WITH COMMERCIAL GOING ON. THIS IS A CRITICAL NEED FOR FIRE RESCUE SO WE WOULD SUPPORT

IT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.HANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS AND

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THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS IS THE NEW ST. JOHNS COUNTY BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH TAXPAYERS DOLLARS AND WE DO JOINT OPERATIONS TOGETHER. AS WE GROW WE DID THE I-95 CORRIDOR AND IT'S GOING TO -- IT GOT APPROVED TO GO TO EIGHT LANES WITH NEW INFRASTRUCTURE COMMAND BETWEEN SILVERLEAF AND HEADING SOUTH. IT IS THE PERFECT TIME FOR US TO PARTNER UP WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE RESCUE AND WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING A LEASE IN THE HEYZUES AREA TO LEASE THE BUILDING FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN TO WORK OUT OF.

IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN UP WITH FIRE RESCUE AND WE

APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S OR WORK ON THIS.HANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DO. >> SHERIFF, IF THIS FACILITY WERE BUILT AND HE WOULD HAVE NO NEED FOR THE ONE IN HASTINGS? > SURE. AS THIS COMMISSION HAS IMPROVED IN THE PAST, YOU APPROVE WHAT WE CALL THE SOUTH REGIONAL OPERATIONS CENTRAL CURRENTLY OFF OF U.S. 1 AND THIS IS NOT A RESPONSE FOR US AS A STATION, PER SE AS IS MORE SO CRITICAL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND STOP THE LEASE UP THERE AND WE WOULD DO -- WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS COMPLETE, WE WILL DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHETHER GROWTH IS IN THE COUNTY.AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE THAT GROWTH SNEAKING UP ON US IN SOUTHERN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE WILL REDO ANALYSIS TO SEE WITH THE BEST BANG IS FOR THE BUGS BUT I WILL PUT OUR PERSONNEL CLOSER AND THAT WILL PUT THEM CLOSE TO 95 WHICH IS REALLY OUR NORTH AND SOUTH GAVE BAY TO PARTS OF THE COUNTY WE

ARE HAVING A HARD TIME RESPONDING TO. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST NEXT. >> MISS ANDRUS, YOU MENTIONED WE DON'T HAVE A FIRE STATION WITHIN FIVE ROAD MILES. PWHY IS 500 MILES SIGNIFICANT AND WISE THAT THE MAGIC NUMBER AND NOT LESS? WHY IS THE 500 MILES SIGNIFICANT?

>> THE FIRE CHIEF CAN EXPLAIN THIS BETTER. MY UNDERSTANDING AND JOY'S UNDERSTANDING AS THAT'S THE INDEX THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY USES TO DETERMINE YOUR

INSURANCE COST FOR THE RESIDENCE. >> IT GOES TO THE HOMEOWNERS'S

INSURANCE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND HOW FAR IS THE CLOSEST

FIRE STATION, CHIEF? >> TO THAT AREA? THE CLOSEST ONE IS AT W. KING ST. AND HOLMES BOULEVARD AND THE FIVE ROAD MILES IN BEFORE YOU GET TO INTERSTATE 207.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION BECAUSE IT GIVES US THE BACKFILL FOR THAT 20 CORRIDOR ORCHARD THOSE OF YOU WHO DRIVE THAT AREA, THERE'S LOTS OF TRAFFIC.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S FIVE MILES, THE RESPONSE TIME CAN BE SLOW DOWN BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT PLACE AND JOY TO THE NEXT -- EXCELLENT JOB EXPLAINING THAT.

IT HELPS PROTECT YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? >> BEFORE WE SEE IF THERE'S A

MOTION WHAT WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON WHAT WAS ITEM 9 THE GOLF COURSE RENOVATION AND I DON'T SEE ANY COLLINS.

IT HAS SOME FROM THE CONTROL ROOM AND I DON'T SEE ANY CALLS WAITING.

OKAY. WE WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ONLY GOLF COURSE RENOVATION? YES, SIR.

IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, APPROACHED THE PODIUM SPIRIT WE HAVE ONE ON EACH SIDE.

YES, SIR. YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE >> GOOD MORNING.

233 NORTH FOREST DUNE DOCTOR, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FRIENDS OF ST. JOHNS GOLF CLUB AND IS AN INFORMAL ALLIANCE OF FIVE GOLFING GROUPS THAT RELY UPON IN VALUING THE COUNTY GOLF COURSE. WE ASK THAT YOU APPROVE AND FULLY FUND THE STAFF COSMIC RECOMMENDATION FOR RENOVATION. SIMPLY PUT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AL COUNTY IS DEVELOPING RAPIDLY, THE GROWTH IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. AND THE DEMAND FOR OUTDOOR RECREATION WILL ONLY INCREASE BY INVESTING IN ST. JOHNS GOLF CLUB, YOU WILL ENSURE COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE AN AFFORDABLE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR YEARS TO COME.

RETAINING THE LAND ON WHICH THE OLD EAST MINDSETS, THE SURPLUS LAND, AND CONVERTING IT INTO TRAILS AND DISCO GOLF OR SOME OTHER OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITY IS THE SMART THING TO DO. YOU ARE PRESERVING GREEN SPACE. AND AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP, THIS GREEN SPACE WILL ONLY BECOME INCREASINGLY PRECIOUS.

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AS I TOLD THIS COMMISSION ALMOST 3 YEARS AGO, ST. JOHNS GOLF CLUB IS A DIAMOND IN A ROUGH. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LAYOUT AND IT'S AN HONEST TEST OF GOLF.

BUT IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. THE STAFF IS COME UP WITH A GOOD PLAN AND IF YOU APPROVE AND FUND THE PLAN, ST. JOHNS CLUB WILL BECOME A JEWEL IN THE RECREATIONAL TOWN -- CROWN OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WILL MAKE YOU ALL PROUD. IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, PLEASE APPROACH THE

PODIUM. NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I AM CHARLES WHORTON, 24 FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH BLVD., ST. AUGUSTINE, FL.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE DISC GOLF CLUB. THAT CLOAK REALLY UTILIZES THE COURSE AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION WITH REGARD TO THE DISC GOLF COURSE HERE, I SUSPECT YOU WILL END UP WITH WHAT I WILL CALL A REGIONAL AND/OR NATIONAL DESTINATION FOR DISC GOLFERS. THE LAND THAT IS BACK THERE IS BEAUTIFUL. IT CAN BE TURNED INTO WHAT WOULD BE EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH LEVEL FUNCTIONAL DISC GOLF COURSE. IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE RESIDENTS TO HAVE A SECOND COURSE BECAUSE ODDLY, FOR SUCH A RECREATION FRIENDLY COMMUNITY, THERE'S ONLY ONE DISC GOLF COURSE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO SUPPORT THAT USE OF THE EXTRA PROPERTIES.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW -- WITH PUBLIC COMMENT NOW OVER WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION?

MR. DEAN? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, AGAIN, I DISCUSSED THIS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT REFERENCE TO DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH. OUR GOLF COURSE HAS REALLY GREAT GROUNDS.

IT'S BEEN SADLY NEGLECTED THROUGH JUST THE FACT OF NOT HAVING THE FUNDS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE IN A UNIQUE POSITION AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN SOURCES OF FUNDS THAT WILL NOT HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON OUR CURRENT OPERATING BUDGET.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- I'M GOING TO MAKE TWO MOTIONS.

LET'S TAKE ONE OTHER TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE -- AND MOTION TO MAKE THE PROPOSED FUNDING APPROPRIATION AND DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH THE RECOMMENDED RENOVATION

PROJECT TO IDENTIFY FOR THE ST. JOHNS GOLF COURSE. >> I WILL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> I WAS GOING TO MAKE THESE COMMENTS ANYWAY AND I APPRECIATE IT DURING DISCUSSION ESPECIALLY WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE IN THE GOLF BUSINESS.

THIS IS A PERSONAL CONVICTION REGARDING THE PURPOSE AND FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR, TRADITIONALLY, BUT COMPETITIVELY MEETS THE DEMAND AT A REASONABLE PRICE. HOWEVER, MANY YEARS AGO, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECIDED WE, THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, SHOULD OWN THE GOLF COURSE.

RESIDENTS MADE LIFE DEFINING DECISIONS TO PURCHASE PROPERTY AND BUILD IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE COURSE. PROMISES WERE MADE THAT SOLIDIFIED THOSE CHOICES.

IT IS MY FIRM CONVICTION THAT WE ARE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT WE POSSESS.

AND WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE. INCLUDING THE FUNDS WHICH WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED AND HAVE OVERSEEN. THIS ASSET HAS BEEN SHAMEFULLY MISHANDLED AND IS IN DISREPAIR, AND I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE RETURNED TO WORKING ORDER.

HOWEVER, I HAVE SEVERAL DIRECTIVES THAT I WOULD LIKE THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE. NUMBER ONE, THIS ASSET SHOULD BE ABLE TO MINTAIN ITSELF WITH THE FEES THAT ARE COLLECTED AND A CLOSE STUDY OF ROUNDS PLAYED AND COSTS TO DO SO WOULD CERTAINLY BEAR A MODEST INCREASE TO MAINTAIN THIS VALUABLE PROPERTY.

NUMBER TWO, WHEN COMPLETE, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE INVESTIGATING A PUBLIC-PRIVATE

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I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ENGINEERING ON

THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST AS WELL. >> MR. TUCKER, ARE YOU HERE TODAY? I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS FOR MR. TUCKER BUT ALSO FOR JOY. SOME OF THIS MONEY FOR THE RENOVATIONS FOR THE REPAIRS IS COMING UP FROM TDT. WHAT CATEGORIES IS THAT COMING

FROM? IS IT A COMBINATION? >> OUR BUDGET OFFICE DIRECTOR, JESSE DNN, CAN PROBABLY ELABORATE MY VERY BRIEF RESPONSE TO THIS ONE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A COMBINATION OF SAVINGS AND PICK UP FROM 2020.

TDT FUNDS. IT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO ANY SPECIFI CATEGORY.

>> OKAY. I ASKED MR. TUCKER TO COME UP SO IF YOU DON'T MIND GOING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF MR. TUCKER WHO RUNS THE GOLF COURSE.

YOU SHOWED ME AROUND A MONTH OR SO AGO AND YOU SHOWED ME SORT OF THE STATE OF DISREPAIR THAT SOME OF THESE HARDWARE PIECES ARE IN. HOW OLD IS THE DRAINAGE

INFRASTRUCTURE THERE? >> IS 32 YEARS OLD. >> SO HAS ANY OF THE HARDWARE BEEN REPLACED AND THOSE 32 YEARS OR HAVE YOU JUST BEEN MAINTAINING IT?

>> WE'VE BEEN REPAIRING IT AND NOT REPLACING ANYTHING >> IT'S ALL JUST BEEN REPAIRED, SO OXIDATION HAS REALLY SET IN? I BROUGHT SOME PICTURES DURING THE LAST HOW WE ADDRESS THIS.

>> YES, SIR. >> I HAD QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL ABOUT THE STAFF AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE. YOU GUYS RECEIVED A COUPLE OF AWARDS, WHICH IS OUTSTANDING.

IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. >> MY SUPERINTENDENT, ANTHONY BAUER, HE WON THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE YEAR. TOMMY ONE AND AWARD FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE AND SERVICE TO HIS FELLER PROFESSIONALS. I WON THE MERCHANDISER OF THE YEAR FOR NORTH FLORIDA.

I WON THE PATRIOT OF THE YEAR FOR NORTH FLORIDA AND GOLF PROFESSIONAL OF THE YEAR FOR

NORTH FLORIDA. >> MR. TUCKER, WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAD DONE EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO WITH WHAT YOU HAVE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE -- ANY

STONE LEFT TO BE TURNED OVER? >> THAT WAS -- NOT WITH A NUMBER OF STAFF WE HAVE

>> THANK YOU. I WAS IMPRESSED BY YOUR TOUR AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP UP WITH THE GOLF COURSE SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. MR. DUNN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, JUST SORT OF -- SO WHAT CATEGORIES ARE THEY TDT FUNDS COMING FROM?

>> SO JOY ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR ME SO I WILL JUST REPEAT. JESSE DUNN.

IT ULTIMATLY COMES FROM A CROSS CATEGORY. THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE ABILITY AT THE END OF A FISCAL YEAR FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO REDESIGNATE APPROPRIATIONS TO ANY CATEGORY AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS FOR 2020 AND WHAT CAME IN RESULTING IN 2020, THE BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE THESE FUNDS FROM THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES FOR A ONE OR MORE PARTICULAR CASE.

I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DOLLARS AND I CAN PROVIDE THOSE BUT THE AGGREGATE THAT WAS UP ON THE SCREEN WAS FROM ACROSS THOSE CATEGORIES.> I GUESS I HAVE -- THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH USING THOSE FUNDS AS THOSE ARE LIMITED DOLLARS AND WILL IT TAKE AWAY FROM OTHER PLANS WE

HAD FOR THOSE FUNDS? >> WE ARE IN THE 2020 DUE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S BEEN A DISCUSSION OF THE REAR GETTING INTO 2022 AND AT THIS POINT WE ARE NOT SEEING AN

ISSUE WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.>> A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD BE IN THE GOLF COURSE BUSINESS BUT WE ARE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD AND THE KIND OF DIRECTION THE STAFF WILL GO THROUGH WITH THIS IS REMEMBER WE HAD THOSE MEMBERS ON THE BORE TO BRING IT BACK AND WE LOOK AT IT. I WOULD RATHER GET STAFF, HOWEVER DID IT LAST TIME, TO GO THROUGH MAKE SURE WE ARE REDOING IT BY MAKING IT ECONOMICAL FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. LAST TIME, I THINK WE CAUGHT -- I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS AGAIN. I WANT IT CONCISE FOR THE PEOPLE.

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THAT'S THE ONLY THING ON THAT. THE GOLF COURSE NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IT'S A SHAME IT GOT TO WHERE IT'S AT. I USED TO PLAY IT QUITE OFTEN BACK IN THE DAY.

IT'S A VERY NICE COURSE. THE AMOUNT OF ROUNDS WE ARE HAVING ON IT IS TREMENDOUS, WHICH IS GREAT. IT'S PROBABLY HIGHER -- I MET WITH THE GUY THAT TAUGHT GOLF MANY YEARS AGO AND HE CAME BY TO SEE ME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW BUSY IT IS FOR THE COURSES.

HE'S WORKED THREE OR FOUR IN HIS LIFETIME AND THEIR AVERAGE ROUND IS ABOUT 20,000.

IT JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT A GREAT JOB THEY'VE DONE THERE. I WOULD LIKE US TO JOIN -- BUILD A NICER GOLF COURSE BUT THE PLAN THAT WAS INTRODUCED TO US AT PARKS AROUND BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHARGE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COURSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ON THAT SIDE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.>> MISS ANDREWS, THERE IS A LARGE CONTINGENCY PUT ON THOSE OF 20 PERCENT AND OVER 1.5 MILLION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER HERE AND THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER. 20 PERCENT THERE NEEDS TO BE A

CLEAR EXPLANATION TO WHY THAT'S THERE. >> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL I THINK STAFF DIDN'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.

THE BUDGET OFFICE AND THE CHIEF ENGINEER AND PROCUREMENT WE'VE HAD A LOOK AT THE NUMBER AND HOW WE BUILT THE CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGE, 20 PERCENT, I HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS A STANDARD CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGE FOR A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT SUCH OF THIS SIZE, BUT THERE'S ALSO A CONSIDERATION I THINK THE BOARD PROBABLY WANTS TO BEAR IN MIND IS THE COST ESTIMATE IS BASED ON 2018 CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES. SO EVEN THOUGH THE PLAN IS GOING TO CHANGE DRASTICALLY FROM THE ONE WE HAVE ON HAND FROM 2018 FROM LARSON, THE CONSTRUCTION COST HAS GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY AS WE ALL KNOW INCLUDING MATERIAL AND LABOR, SO STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE. THAT 20 PERCENT WOULD BE A GOOD CONTINGENCY PERCENTAGE TO BE BUILT IN FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD. OF COURSE, IF THERE IS ANY SAVING, WHICH IS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE PLAN ITSELF IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT RATHER THAN CONVEYING LAND TO A PRIVATE PARTY FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.NOW WE HAVE DIFFERENT LAYOUT FOR THE SURPLUS LAND, SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. SO POTENTIALLY THERE MIGHT BE SAVINGS, AND IF THERE'S SAVINGS, OBVIOUSLY STAFF IS ALWAYS GOING TO PUT THEM AWAY AND RECOGNIZE THEM FOR OTHER PROJECTS OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT BOARD MAY HAVE, BUT IF IT DOES SUCCEED, THE BOARD WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WAITING ON EITHER ENGINEER TO COME BACK WITH

DIFFERENT DIRECTIVES. >> THANK YOU. I WANTED THE EXPLANATION TO BE

VERY CLEAR. >> WE WILL GO TO LEGAL NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

FOURTH THE MOTION TO MAKE THE PROPOSED FUNDING APPROPRIATION -- SO I TAKE THAT TO BE THE SLIDE 5 WHICH HAS THE PARK IMPACT, FEED ZONE D, THE TRUST FUND AND THOSE NUMBERS SET UP THERE. ONE QUESTION. SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES MAY BE DONE BY IN-HOUSE FORCES, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES, ET CETERA IS THERE SOME EXPECTATION THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CONTRACTS THAT MIGHT COME UP FOR ANY OF THESE ACTIVITIES, OR IS THIS

KIND OF THE FINAL APPROVAL AND AUTHORIZATION? >> THE BOARD WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN AFTER WE DO THE PROCUREMENT, SO THE DIRECTION TODAY WILL AUTHORIZE THE STAFF TO GO OUT FOR A PROCUREMENT WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE PROCUREMENT BREAKDOWN THAT'S ON THE SLIDE AND THE BOARD WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE THE

AWARDING OF THE TOP RANKED FIRM. >> OKAY.

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ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING

>> ED SLAVEN, BOX 308. SLAVEN.COM. FIRST, LET ME STRONGLY AGREE DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE TO TALK ABOUT [INDISCERNIBLE] PARTICULARLY WHEN THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AGENDA ITEM NINE. WE HAD TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES EARLIER. PEOPLE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING TODAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS TO PROPOSE APPROPRIATION ON THE GOLF COURSE ANYTHING ON THE STRUCTURE AND [INDISCERNIBLE].

ARE WE COMING IN AT THE VERY FIRST PART OF THE MEETING IS NOT EVEN ON THE AGENDA AND OFFERING INSTRUCTION. I AGREE WITH THE SHERIFF, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

HE POINTED OUT THERE GOING TO CHOSEN BY CORPORATIONS FROM INVESTORS AND THE SECRET OF LLCS.

BUT IT REMINDS ME OF BACK IN THE 90S I WAS COMING DOWN TO FLORIDA WITH THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF AND THEIR WIDENING I-95 AT THE GEORGIA BORDER AND HE LOOKS AND SAYS IF YOU HAD A CALLED] DUMPING IN YOUR BACKYARD, WOULD YOU DOUBLE THE SIZE? SO I THINK WE OUGHT TO BE ADDRESSING THE DEVELOPMENT ISSUES A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THIS INSTRUCTOR BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT I-95. WE NEED TO REVISIT EVERY SINGLE PUD AND DEVELOPMENT.

I SUPPORT THE APPROPRIATION AND THE CAPTAIN AND WHAT HE SAYS. LET'S PROCEED NOW WITH GREAT

VIGOR. >> THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. AS IT STANDS WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RENOVATIONS.

DISCERNING FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. GOING BACK TO THIS COMMISSIONER YOU HAVE A SECOND MOTION

>> AFTER SEEING THE FIRE STATION AT THE SHERIFF SUBSTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO MAKE THE PROPOSED FUNDING APPROPRIATION FOR THE SOUTHWEST FIRE RESCUE AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE JOINT FACILITY DESIGN AND ENGINEERING AND DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE THE COMPLETION OF THE JOINT FACILITY AT THE COUNTY OWNED SURPLUS LAND IN THE ST.JOHNS

GOLF CLUB WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR 2022 >> THE SECOND

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THE SAME CONCEPT. THIS APPROVES THE APPROPRIATION IF THERE IS A NATURAL CONTRACT FOR THE FACILITY THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR DO WE NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL?>> THESE WERE ALL

INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU. SO SEEING WE ALREADY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR THE JOINT FIRE STATION FACILITY. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THE PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU.

[1. Public Hearing * DRI MOD 2020-04 St. Augustine Centre. Request to amend the St. Augustine Centre DRI to eliminate Phase 3B and its remaining transportation mitigation requirements, move 300,000 square feet of allowed Light Industrial uses to Phase 3A, revise the Master Development Plan (Map H) to incorporate the Isolated Uplands area into Area H, and extend phasing and build out dates. This item was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on March 18, 2021 and was recommended for approval, 3-2.]

[2. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-17 St. Augustine Centre (Area H). Request for a Major Modification to the St. Augustine Centre PUD (Ordinance 1997-23, as amended) to incorporate the area known as the "Isolated Uplands" into a development tract referred to as "Area H" on the Master Development Plan, amend buffering requirements along the eastern property boundary in the vicinity of the northerly terminus of Inman Road, eliminate the requirement for a six (6) foot visual screen along the east perimeter landscape buffer, amend the development phasing table, and extend the expiration date of the final phase of development. This item was heard by the Planning and Zoning Agency at their regularly scheduled public hearing on March 18, 2021 and was recommended for approval, 3-2.]

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COMMISSIONER SMITH WE WILL START WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HAD A MEETING ON APRIL 15, 2021, AT 10:30 A.M. WITH MR. TOM INGRAM, MR. DUANE FROM MIC], THE PARCELS OWNED BY HIGHLAND VERY SPECIFICALLY WENT THROUGH THE REQUEST OF 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL SPACE ON PARCEL H ENTITLEMENT BACK IN 1997.

WE MET THE NEW ONE WE WENT TO THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENT WINTER HOW THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS AMENDED HIS PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE DISCUSSED THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF THE POLICE AND ITS ESTABLISHMENT THERE ALSO DISCUSSED SOME OF THE OPPOSITION FROM TUSCAN VILLAGE. WENT THROUGH THEIR WAIVER REQUESTS.

WITH A BUFFER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, RESUBMIT APPLICATION AND THEIR DESIRE TO

EXTEND THE PHASING TO 2031. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> IF I -- I THINK THE CHAIR MENTIONED, BUT I WANT LIKE TO CLARIFY AND EMPHASIZE ITEMS ONE AND TWO WILL BE HEARD TOGETHER AND THE EX PARTE PERTAINS TO BOTH WON AND TWO. IT IS NOT CORRECT, COMMISSIONER

SMITH? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

>> THANK YOU. WE WILL GO TO MR. DEAN NEXT. >> ON ITEMS ONE AND TWO I MET ON APRIL 8 AT 10:00 WITH MR. TOM INGRAM AND MR. DUANE HAMNER AND DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT, THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION, AND ANY CONCERNS THAT MAY COME UP, I HAD INDICATED WITH THEM I HAD RECEIVED SEVERAL COMMENTS FROM NEARBY HOMEOWNERS AT TUSCANY VILLAGE AND WE DISCUSSED THE CONCEPT OF THE BUFFER TO DEAL WITH THAT AND ALSO, I WOULD SAY AS FAR AS EXPERT DAY, I DID HAVE PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE EMAILS AND HOMEOWNERS

EXPRESSING CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON NEXT

>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE AND TWO ON THURSDAY, APRIL 8 AT 12:00 P.M., I HAD A MEETING WITH THOMAS INGRAM AND WAVE HAMNER AND STAFF AND WE DISCUSSED THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES OR TRANSPORTATION AGREEMENT, AND THE COUNTIES NEW CONTINGENCY FOR COMMERCIAL PROJECTS AND WE DISCUSSED A BUFFER WAIVER AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FOP RANGE AND I DO NOTICE I'M A MEMBER OF. SO -- I HAVE NOTICED SOME OF THE EMAILS I RECEIVED WITH CONCERNS FROM HOMEOWNERS AND A BUFFER BETWEEN THEM AND THE HOMEOWNERS.

ON THURSDAY, APRIL 8 AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 I MET WITH THOMAS INGRAM AND STAFF WAS THERE TOO. THERE DESIRE FROM RELIEF FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AVIATION AGREEMENT. AND THEY MENTIONED THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION FROM THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT.

>> ON TUESDAY, MARCH 23 AT APPROXIMATELY 11:00 A.M., I ET WITH THOMAS INGRAM AND DUANE HAMNER. MAJOR MOGG 20 20 Ã17 SAINT AUGUSTINE CENTER TO DISCUSS THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT PROPOSED MODIFICATION WOULD ALSO DISCUSSED THE SCOPE AND CONCEPT OF THE PROJECT AND HAD DISCUSSION ON THE IMPACT OF SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.

I HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT AS WELL.

>> READY? ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING.

I AM TOM INGRAM AN ATTORNEY WITH -- IN JACKSONVILLE AND THE BUREAU RECOMMENDING HIGHLAND

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THE SITE HAS BEEN USED AS A REGION OF IMPACT AND HAS DEVELOPED OVER TIME WITH A MIXTURE OF MULTIFAMILY, OUTLET MALL, GENERAL RETAIL, AS WELL AS -- AND THAT'S PART OF THAT AND PARKER CADILLAC, THE NEW FORD GARAGE RESTAURANT. RECENTLY, YOU HAD A REQUEST TO AMEND THE PUD, THE ZONING FOR THIS, TO ALLOW FOR HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CARE USES ON PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY HIGHLAND BUT ANOTHER LANDOWNER WITHIN THE PROJECT, AND THAT SITE IS FRONTING 95 JUST TO THE WEST OF THE OUTLET MALL. AND THIS MAP IS INTENDED TO SHOW THE GENERAL AREA THAT'S STILL OWNED BY HIGHLAND. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE.

SO THE FOCUS OF THIS APPLICATION IS REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL AREA WHICH IS AT THE FAR NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE -- THE NORTH END OF INMAN ROAD. YOU'VE ALSO APPROVED ZONING IN THE AREA FOR THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION WHICH IS WIDELY REPORTED TO BE AN AMAZON SITE.

CURRENTLY, THE INDUSTRIAL ACREAGE IS APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION.

IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CONDITION AT THAT. THE DRI PROVIDES.HIS WAS AMENDED IN 2004 AND IT SAYS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ALLOW 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND 254 HOTEL ROOMS TO BE DEVELOPED WITHIN THIS DRI IF THE DEVELOPER WIDENS A SECTION OF STATE ROAD 16. IT'S BASICALLY THE WEST ENTRANCE OF THE OUTLET MALL THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 95 AND GOING WEST. AND THAT'S BEEN A CONDITION THAT WAS ESTIMATED BACK THEN TO BE OVER $2 MILLION AND THAT IMPROVEMENT IS NOW IN THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AS A DOT PROJECT FOR 2026, 2030 AND IS ESTIMATED TO BE DD2 COST $10.3 MILLION. SO AT 10.3 MILLION, ASSUMING THAT'S ROUGHLY RIGHT, DIVIDED BY 300,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT WOULD WORK OUT TO BE ABOUT $34,000 PER 1000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND STILL HAVE COMPETITIVE WAREHOUSE SPACE. SO WHAT WE ARE SEEKING IS TO APPLY THE CURRENT COUNTY CODE AND COUNTY POLICY WITH REGARDS TO THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. IN 2014, THE STATE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THE STATUTES REGARDING DRI'S AND SAID IF YOU WISH TO AMEND THE DRI, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS SHOULD APPLY THE REGULAR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO WHATEVER YOUR POLICIES ARE IF CONSERVANCY -- IF IMPACT FEES ARE APPLIED, APPLY IMPACT FEES AND SO ON.

THE COUNTY DETERMINED THEY WERE NOT SEEING THE TYPE OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THEY'VE SEEN IT GOING TO JACKSONVILLE IN AN EFFORT TO ENCOURAGE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY REPEALED TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY FOR NONRESIDENTIAL PROJECTS AND THAT WAS IN 2018. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF PROJECT -- PROGRESS AND WE SEEN A GREAT DEAL OF RETAIL DEVELOPMENT IN NORTHWEST ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WE HAVE ALSO SEEN EMPLOYERS COMING IN, SYRIA IDEAL ALUMINUM TO THE SOUTH WHICH WAS NOT WITHIN THE DRI BUT IT'S CLOSE BY. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR THAT AND THE COUNTY HAS BEEN WILLING, AND I WOULD SAY HAS BEEN QUITE WILLING TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS IT PROVIDES JOBS. IN ADDITION TO THE HOSPITAL SITE THAT'S WHEN ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER, BUT WAS APPROVED ON A COMMITMENT TO PAY IMPACT FEES

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IT WAS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AT 16 AND 208 THAT IS PROPOSED FOR RETAIL AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY USES. THE COUNTY HAS BEEN CONSISTENT IN RECOGNIZING NONRESIDENTIAL AND WHAT IS SUBJECT THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT YOU ADOPTED WAS PROPOSE TO YOU I BELIEVE BY DOCTOR NICHOLAS, IS INTENDED TO FULLY OFFSET THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF A PROJECT.

SEATING IS TO UNLOCK THE SITE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL AND WE CANNOT DO THE APPROVAL RIGHT NOW WITHOUT BUILDING A ROAD THAT IS SIMPLY NOT COST FEASIBLE. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GOOD SITE.

WHAT I SEE IN THE MARKETPLACE IS THAT IF A SITE IS HALFWAY GOOD FOR RETAIL, THAT THE DEVELOPERS WANT TO DO RETAIL BECAUSE THEY CAN GET MORE DOLLARS FOR THAT, AND, IN FACT, ON THE ELEVATION POINT SITE THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUT THEY SWITCHED IT TO LIGHT RETAIL HOPING FOR HIGHER VALUE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THIS SITE AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE, WHICH IS A PEER SHOWN ON THE MAP IS A RETAIL SITE.

IT'S A GREAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SITE AND HOPEFULLY THE LAST MILE DITRIBUTION FACILITY WILL GO THROUGH. IF IT DOESN'T WE CAN GO FORWARD ON OUR OWN.

I UNDERSTAND THE FOP GUN RANGE INTENDS TO STAY LONG-TERM. THEY'VE BEEN THERE MANY DECADES.E WILL SIMPLY LOOK FOR USERS THAT FIND THE GUN RANGE TO BE COMPATIBLE AND WE BELIEVE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE GUN RANGE.

THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THIS IS THE LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY SITE PLAN THAT IS ORIENTED WITH NORTH FACING UP. AND IT WAS CONTEMPLATED THAT PART OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER SITE ON THE WEST SIDE WOULD BE USED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL CHANGES AND THEY CURRENTLY REQUIRED 30 FOOT WIDE BUFFER ALONG INMAN ROAD WE ARE SEEKING TO REDUCE THAT TO 10 FEET AND WE BELIEVE 30 FEET IS NOT NECESSARY TO BUFFER FROM OTHER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE EAST NETWORK THAT CHANGE FROM ANY OTHER BUFFERING. THE OTHER THING WAS TO INCORPORATE CHANGES WHICH WAS THE HOSPITAL SITE. WE HAVE ALSO SOUGHT TO CHANGE THE PHASING TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL BUILDOUT FROM BUILDOUT AND EXPIRATION AND IS CURRENTLY AUGUST 22 2026 WE WOULD EXTEND TO AUGUST 30 31. THERE WAS ONE WAIVER REQUESTED AND AS YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A CODE POLICY THAT PROHIBITS APPLICANTS FROM REAPPLYING FOR A REZONING THAT IS THE SAME AS THE PRIOR APPLICATION IF THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT SAME THING IN THE PAST YEAR. STAFF ASSERTED THAT WE SHOULD OBTAIN A WAIVER ON THIS WHILE WE DISAGREE THAT A WAIVER IS NECESSARY, IT WAS NOT WORTH DEBATING.

THESE APPLICATIONS THE ONE FILED BY LIGHT STONE AS THE LANDOWNER INVOLVES DIFFERENT PROPERTY AND WAS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROPOSAL FROM THE ONE YOU ARE SEEING HERE.

SO WITH THAT THAT'S THE CURRENT MAP AND WOULD BE PROPOSED TO ALLOW FOR INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER. SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOT DISCUSSED YET IS THERE IS AN ISOLATED UPLAND AREA AT THE FAR NORTHEAST CORNER ABOUT 5.6 ACRES WE ARE SEEKING TO ALLOW FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE AS WELL TO INCREASE THE ACREAGE AVAILABLE FOR WAREHOUSING AND OTHER INDUSTRIAL USES.

SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> SEEING NONE WHY ARE WE OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON

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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, TWO. >> WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEMS ONE AND TWO. IT APPEARS WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE CALL WAITING.

IF YOU ARE CALLING IN ON ONE INTO, PLEASE GO AHEAD. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES. GO AHEAD.

NAME AND ADDRESS >> MY NAME IS HEATHER AND MY ADDRESS IS 320 VOLTERRA PLACE

TUSCANY VILLAGE UNLESS THE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. >> YES, MA'AM.

I ATTENDED THE MEETING AT MARCH I WAS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A CONCERN.

I APOLOGIZE IF THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS LINE. I WANTED TO REVERSE THAT IN SOME WAY. ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WAS THAT THE NORTHEAST SECTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ON INMAN ROAD ACROSS FROM THE SHOOTING RANGE, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY BACKS OF JUROR RETENTION POND THAT BACKS UP TO THE LAND IN QUESTION. AND WE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT LOSING OUR REVIEW AND HAVING A VIEW OF A PARKING LOT INSTEAD. AND SO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, HE HAS ACTUALLY -- HE'S A PERSON I'VE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH AND HE'S DONE RESEARCH TO THE AREA FROM LAND AND AIR AND HAS NOW AGREED THAT THERE SOME GAPS. HE'S GOING TO MOVE FORWARD [INDISCERNIBLE] HE IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANTING SHADE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO CREATE A VISIBLE BUFFER THAT WE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.

AND THAT WEIGHS EXTREMELY HEAVILY AT FIRST WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE AND HE SHOWED US THE WETLANDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNDEVELOPED THAT CANNOT BE TOUCHED, UNHAPPY WITH THAT. NOW HE HAS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS ARE BAD CONCERN OF HIS AND AS YOU NOTICE WE ARE HIS NEIGHBORS AND WE WENT TO LIVE IN HARMONY.

HE HAS MADE SEVERAL EFFORTS TO VALUE OUR CONCERNS THAT HE WANTS THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. SO I WANT TO SHOW SUPPORT TO THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE IS TAKING OUR INTEREST TO HEART AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AS RESIDENTS OF THIS AREA ARE IN AGREEMENT. YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE FACT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. THE FUTURE IS HAPPENING. FOR HIM TO HAVE CONSIDERATION FOR RESIDENTS IN THE AREA THAT GETS MY SUPPORT. THERE WILL BE A BUFFER AND IF AMAZON DOESN'T, THERE MIGHT BE A BUILDING BUILT BACK THERE HE'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT SETS BACK EVEN FARTHER TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OVERLAP IN THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. > THANK YOU, MA'AM.

I DON'T SEE ANOTHER CALLING. SO LET'S GO TO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC -- OR IN THE AUDIENCE

WISH TO SPEAK? >> GOOD MORNING. >> NAME AND ADDRESS AND THAT THERE ARE OTHER SPEAKERS, PLEASE APPROACH THE OTHER PODIUM

>> MY NAME IS MARY AND I LIVE AT 324 VOLTERRA PLACE. HEATHER IS MY NEIGHBOR.

I ALSO WAS AT THE MARCH MEETING REGARDING THIS PROPOSED CHANGE TO OUR ENVIRONMENT AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY I HAD A HIGH LEVEL OF ANGST AFTER READING THE PROPOSALS AND REALIZING THERE WAS VERY LITTLE MENTION OF TUSCANY VILLAGE IN THE PROPOSALS.

FORTUNATELY, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY APPROACHED US AND I WILL AGREE WITH HEATHER HE HAS BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO REACH OUT TO US, TO TALK TO US BECAUSE WE WERE REALLY GOING TO LOSE A LOT IF THEY STARTED CUTTING DOWN TREES AND SHE RAN AWAY ALL OF THE WONDERFUL WILDLIFE. HE HAS BEEN MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND TALK TO US IN THE HIGH-LEVEL OF INTEGRITY THIS GENTLEMAN HAS DEMONSTRATED IS SOMETHING I WOULD URGE AS THE KEYWORD SEEMS TODAY HAS BEEN GROWTH. GROWTH GROWTH GROWTH THAT AS THIS COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW, THAT YOU FIND GENTLEMAN AND ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE STAFF IN THE

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AND THAT THE OWNER OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS DEMONSTRATED SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF INTEGRITY THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE OTHER DEVELOPERS COULD USE THIS AS A MODEL ON HOW TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY RESIDENTS. SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CHANGE EVER AND THERE'S JUST ALWAYS GOING TO BE TREES BACK THERE BUT RECOGNIZING THERE IS GROWTH AND THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY, I DO SUPPORT AND AM VERY GRATEFUL AND I DO HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT OUR COUNTY LOOKS AT WORKING WITH

NEIGHBORS TO MAKE IT A REALLY GOOD PLACE TO LIVE. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> I NEED TO SAY THREE THINGS FIRST. MARY DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB SPEAKING TO YOU ABOUT THE INTEGRITY AND REACHING OUT AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE NEIGHBORS. AND SO THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS TO COMMEND THIS DEVELOPER AND HIS FAMILY FOR DEVELOPING UP INCREDIBLE THING AFTER THE PCA MEETING HE DID APPROACH THE NEIGHBORS OUT OF THE HOME SHE AND HE HAS SINCE EXCHANGED EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS WITH THEM TO OFFER TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS FOR THIS ADDITIONAL BUFFER.

THE THIRD THING I WILL SAY THIS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT I DID NOT HEAR THE ATTORNEY ACTUALLY ITEMIZE THOSE FOR THE RECORD AND BUILD THOSE CONDITIONS AND FOR THE RECORD.

SO WHEN YOU VOTE TODAY, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THOSE ON THE RECORD, THE 30 FOOT BUFFER SPECIFICALLY ALONG THAT SOUTH PROPERTY. SO AGAIN, JUST TO REPEAT WHAT SHE HAS SAID WHAT AN INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE THIS IS FOR A DEVELOPER AND THEY REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND MADE EFFORTS TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS AND WHAT

A GREAT MODEL THAT WOULD BE FOR THE REST OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON

THIS ITEM >> GOOD MORNING. ELLEN AVERY SMITH.

ST. AUGUSTINE AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER AND IT'S ACTUALLY WHITESTONE WAS THE OWNER. THEY OWN IT SAYS ST. AUGUSTINE IN NORMAL ST. AUGUSTINE'S PREMIUM OUTLETS. I APOLOGIZE -- I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. ST. AUGUSTINE'S INDOOR MALL IN THE VACANT LAND THAT'S IN FRONT OF IT. THE VACANT LAND IS WHAT YOU GENTLEMEN APPROVED FOR THE MEDICAL CENTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND WE ARE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

IT MAKES SENSE TO ALLOW THE LAND DEVELOPING CODE TO RULE THE DAY SINCE IT'S THE LAW OF THE COUNTY AND ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU THIS PROJECT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MIXED-USE ANSWER WAS INTENDED TO BLEND RESIDENTIAL AND OTHER USES TOGETHER. WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THESE

COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOPERS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THOSE KIND WORDS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE IS A COMMITMENT MADE AND THERE'S SOME EXISTING GAPS IN THE VEGETATION AS YOU MAY SEE FROM THE AERIAL, THERE IS EXTENSIVE NATURAL VEGETATION ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND IF I CAN USE THIS. IT'S A STORMWATER POND THAT OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNERS

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THERE ARE SOME GAPS IN THE VEGETATION ANALYSIS, SO THE DISCUSSIONS AS I UNDERSTAND IT WAS TO LOOK AT FILLING IN THOSE GAPS TO FURTHER MAKE IT MORE AND MORE OKAY IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS PUD HAS LONG CONTEMPLATED THE BUFFERING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND CALLS FOR A 30 FOOT WIDE BUFFER SHRUBS LANDSCAPING AND TREE PLANTINGS.

IN ADDITION, SOURCE CODE HAS SIMILAR REQUIREMENTS IN THERE AS WELL.

BUT HEARING THIS, I KNOW THAT MY CLIENT IS RELYING ON THE GOODWILL THAT THEY'VE BUILT THE RESIDENCE, AND WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THE TUSCANY VILLAGE IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PART OF ST. AUGUSTINE CENTER AND IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS DEVELOPED IN THE PAST. WE WILL WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE THEIR VIEW IS AT THE VERY LEAST OBSCURED BY VEGETATION BETWEEN THAT AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH.

THANK YOU. >> IT LOOKS LIKE -- WE DIDN'T FORMALLY CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT

AND IT LOOKS SO WE HAVE A CALL SHOWING UP >> WE HAVE ONE: ON ITEMS ONE

AND TWO. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> WE ARE SEEING ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS INDICATING THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ONE INTO SO WE WILL FORMALLY CLOSE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENTS.

I HAD ALSO HEARD THE FIRST CALL IN COLOR MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE TREE LINE AND THE BUFFER AND AT EAST THE FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER HERE, AND I THINK AS A FOLLOW-UP.

SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE ELEMENTS ARE NOT WRITTEN INTO THE APPLICATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE.

MY POSITION AS YORK COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT MR. INGRAM, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, HAS REPRESENTED TO YOU THEY WOULD REALLY COMPLY WITH THAT IS PRESCRIBED AND THAT BECOMES PART OF THE APPLICATION TO THAT REPRESENTATION. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. >> BACK TO THE BOARD. >> YOU.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 175 BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS

PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND >> WE HAVE A SECOND MY CMMISSIONER SMITH.

FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I APPRECIATE THE FACT THE DEVELOPER OF THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE TO ASK OUR STAFF ISN'T THIS ALREADY APPROVED? COULD THEY NOT ALREADY BILLED

THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? >> SOME BLOGS ON THIS. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE

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I THINK IF THEY WERE GOING TO THE VIEW THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY THEY NEED TO GO TO THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE EVALUATION. I THINK PERHAPS WE COULD PROVIDE THIS RELIEF AND I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED TO PROVIDE THE RELIEF OF WE HAVE THE STATISTICAL DATA TO SHOW HOW MANY JOBS -- HOW HIGH-PAYING JOBS ARE AND WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. GOT CONCERNS OF RELIEVING THEM OF THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS MADE

IN 2004 >> THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE SECOND. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON

>> HAD A QUESTION. HOW WE LEAD ANY OTHER OBLIGATIONS?

>> I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

DURING THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AFTER WE BASICALLY CORRECT HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT WE

HAVE BASICALLY RELIEF UP THERE. >> THANK YOU. >> WHY DON'T YOU HANG HERE IN CASE WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS FROM THE BOARD WE WILL GO AHEAD". PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 4 TO 1. WE WILL MOVE

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-- AS THEIR EMOTIONAL NUMBER TWO CANNOT >> THAT WOULD LIKE TO MOVE NUMBER TWO. ROSE SECOND MILE COMMISSIONER SMITH? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD SEEN NONE, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES.

[3. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2020-03 Bannon Lakes (Adoption). Adoption hearing for COMPAMD 2020-03 Bannon Lakes PUD, request to modify the Comprehensive Plan Text Policy A.1.11.1(M)(8)(F) in order to increase the maximum allowed residential units from 999 to 1,286 for approximately 580 acres of land located on the north side of International Golf Parkway, east of I-95. This item was transmitted to state and regional agencies for review after a Board vote of 3-2 to transmit. State and regional review agencies found the proposed amendment resulted in no significant impacts to State and regional facilities and services and had no comments. The PZA held a public hearing on March 4, 2021 and voted 4-1 in favor of recommending adoption. Additional information regarding public input and the Agency discussion is available in the attached Staff Report. Proceedings can also be viewed in the archived videos on the St. Johns County Government Television web site.]

[4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-02 Bannon Lakes PUD. Request for a Major Modification to the Bannon Lakes Planned Unit Development (Ordinance 2015-11, as amended) as a companion application to Comprehensive Plan Amendment COMPAMD 2020-03, in order to increase the maximum number of residential units from 999 to 1,286, adding 287 residential units, and revising the PUD completion date based on recent emergency declaration extensions pursuant to Section 252.363, Florida Statutes. The PZA held a public hearing on March 4, 2021 and voted 4-1 in favor of recommending adoption. Additional information regarding public input and the Agency discussion is available in the attached Staff Report. Proceedings can also be viewed in the archived videos on the St. Johns County Government Television web site. This application includes a waiver request to LDC Section 9.04.05, Limitations on Rezoning of Land, because the Board recently considered MAJMOD 2020-22 to reduce lot widths from 43' to 40'.]

>> WE ARE GOING TO START WORK I RECEIVED ANOTHER EMAIL I ATTENDED A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HOSTED BY THE DEVELOPER ON MARCH 23 FROM 6:00 P.M. TO 8:00 P.M. AND WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROJECT AND POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. FARMERS WILL IMPACT OF THE PROJECT AND THAT WAS IT

>> THAT WILL JANUARY 20 MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT ONLY DISCUSSED ORDINANCE CHANGES LISTED COME UP IN CONVERSATION WE DISCUSSED CHANGES THEY BE SEEKING TODAY IN THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COMMERCIAL THEN WE HAD A MEETING ON 12/2 OF 20 IN THE SAME DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGES FROM THEM HAD ANOTHER MEETING AND I DON'T REMEMBER THAT MEETING AND WHAT

WAS DISCUSSED. >> I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND CRISCO TO DISCUSS PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THIS PROJECT AND I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS FROM HOMEOWNERS IN THE GENERAL AREA EXPRESSING CONCERN OBJECTING TO A PROPOSED GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE

AND NOTHING BUT COMPLETES MY DISCUSSIONS. >> ROSE YOUR MIND GOING BACK TO OCTOBER 19 OF 2020 THIS CAME UP IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL AS MANY OTHER THINGS INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS ON NOVEMBER 30, 2020 AT 10:00 A.M., I MET WITH FORT LANCASTER AND AVERY SMITH AND BRAD AND TERESA BISHOP 50 PERCENT BUILD OUT. WE DISCUSSED THE DUDE I ASKED

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PRODUCT WOULD BE THE SAME AND DISCUSSED MULTIFAMILY WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BZA ON MARCH 4.

PROPERTY VALUATIONS AND APARTMENTS >> I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH MS. ELLEN AVERY SMITH. WE ALSO HAD A MEETING ON APRIL 14 WITH MR. ART LANCASTER MET A PHONE CALL TO PROXIMALLY 2:30 P.M. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS TO GO FOR THE

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THERE HAS BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES BUT MR. LANCASTER HAD AN APPRAISAL DONE THAT DISPROVES THAT I WANT TO CALL IT MISINFORMATION WE WERE IN HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO THEY

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THEY TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTING A CROSSWALK FOR SAFETY SECURING THE DOG PARK AND PULL WHICH I THINK WE SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT BUT ALSO HAS BEEN BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT GATED IS OPEN AND PEOPLE CAN COME IN. THESE ARE ALL CDD RELATED ISSUES NOT PUD RELATED ISSUES SO ALL OF THE THINGS ON THIS LIST ABOUT PARKING AND LITTER AND ALL THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THE PUD BIGGER THINGS THE DEVELOPERS ADDRESSING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

SO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING, FEEL FREE BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT I GOT THAT A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS WERE UNDERSTANDING THE PUD MODIFICATION MORE AND THEIR CONCERNS WERE REALLY ABOUT THESE ITEMS AND NOT RELATED TO THE PUD. SO THE PCA RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION AND THERE'S A COMPANION MAJOR MODIFICATION APPLICATION THAT IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. SO WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU GENTLEMEN TO APPROVE BOTH OF THOSE. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? CYSTS WHAT WE OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT I THINK WE HAVE A FEW.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY ONE THING. THE GAS STATION THE GAS STATION IS ALREADY TITLED AND APPROVED. I'VE GOTTEN THE NUMBER OF THE BILLS I WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT'S NOT A PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION TODAY >> THE GAS STATION HAS BEEN APPROVED SINCE THE ORIGINAL PUD IN 2015. WE ARE NOT ASKING TO CHANGE

ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT. >> PATRICK. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? SO THE GAS STATION IS NOT BEING CONSIDERED TODAY.

WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THERE MIGHT BE COLLINS, APPROXIMATELY TWO. IF YOU ARE CALLING IN ON ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, WOULD -- YOUR

NAME AND NUMBER. NAME AND NUMBER, PLEASE. >> NAME AND NUMBER.

I HEARD SOMEONE. ARE YOU STILL WITH US? >> WHY DON'T WE GET -- ARE YOU

STILL THERE? >> NAME AND NUMBER. >> WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS HERE.

WE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND GO FROM THERE AND COME BACK TO THE COLLINS IN A MOMENT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND WE HAVE TO PODIUMS. EVERYONE WANTS TO SPEAK LINE UP

BEHIND THERE AND WE WILL HEAR EVERYONE AS WE GO THROUGH. >> YES, MA'AM.>> I LIVE AT 53 BAND LAKE COURT. OF CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS THE STRETCH OF ROAD INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY BETWEEN NORTH FRANCIS RD. AND U.S. 1. IT'S A TWO LANE.

IT'S ALSO A DETOUR ROUTE BETWEEN I-95 AND U.S. 1. WHENEVER THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THAT'S QUITE FREQUENTLY, UNFORTUNATELY. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL HUNDREDS OF

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THEY ARE DETOURED. THEY ARE MAD. THEY ARE DRIVING A LITTLE TOO FAST TO MAKE UP FOR THAT. IN ADDITION THEY HAVE TO TEXT EVERYBODY TO TELL THEM THEY ARE GOING TO BE LATE AND HOW MAD THEY ARE. SINCE MARCH 2015 WHEN THEY STARTED BUILDING ND LAST WEEK, THERE HAVE BEEN 279 ACCIDENTS INVOLVING 498 VEHICLES ON THAT STRETCH OF ROAD 112 REAR END COLLISIONS, 14 SIDE SWIPES, SIX ROLLOVERS, THREE HEAD-ON COLLISIONS AND 13 LEFT-HAND TURN INCIDENTS. THERE HAVE BEEN 122 PEOPLE INJURED AND FORTUNATELY AS I STAND HERE TODAY, THERE ARE NO FATALITIES, BUT THE NEXT TIME I COME BACK THERE MIGHT WELL BE. THIS IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO INSIST ON INCREASING DENSITY ALONG A STRETCH OF ROAD THAT IS DEFICIENT AND ITS CAPABILITY TO HANDLE IT, WE INSIST THAT YOU ADDRESS THIS SITUATION.

PART OF IT IS A DESIGNATED SCENIC ROAD AND I'VE HEARD THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT YOU CAN DO. I BEG TO DIFFER. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU BUT MY TIME HAS RUN OUT AND I CAN'T TALK AS FAST AS SHERIFF

HARDWICK. >> DO WE HAVE A POINTER, A LASER POINTER?

IS SOMEONE AT THE PODIUM THERE? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> CAN USE POINT ON THE MAP

WHERE THIS -- >> YES. OKAY.

NORTH FRANCIS RD. IS REALLY THE INTERSECTION OF BANNON LAKES BOULEVARD COMES OUT

>> CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT IT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE A VISUAL? >> IT'S LIKE HERE ALL THE WAY

OVER TO HIGHWAY 1. CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT? >> IT'S UNDER THE CANOPY AND

UNDER THE TREE SO YOU CAN SEE IT >> AS FAR AS THIS YEAR IS NOT

DEPICTED HERE >> THE CANOPY PART, NO. IT'S NOT THERE.

IT COMES OUT AND STARTS THERE AND IF YOU HEAD EAST TO HIGHWAY 1 YOU WILL GO AROUND THE DEAD CURVE WHICH HAS A DITCH ON EITHER SIDE AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH A PROTECTED CANOPY

WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL BUT THERE'S NO REAL SHOULDERS ON THAT. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO INCREASE DENSITY WITH MORE APARTMENTS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE CARS ON THE ROAD WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ACCIDENTS AND HOPEFULLY NOT A FATALITY. IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THERE ARE SOLUTIONS. I'VE LOOKED INTO IT AND I CAN OFFER ONE.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT >> YES, MA'AM.

OVER HERE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS RACHEL AND I LIVE AT 103 BLUE JACK LN. MY HOUSE IS IN A SOUTH SHORE NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH ACTUALLY MY BACKYARD BACKS UP TO WHAT WILL BE BUILT IN THE APARTMENTS OR THE COMMERCIAL.

I HAVE A DISSENTING VOICE FROM MY NEIGHBORS AND I AM FOR THE APARTMENTS BECAUSE MY BACKYARD WILL BE LOOKING INTO WHATEVER IS BUILT THERE. THE HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE BANNON LAKES PALLIANCE BECAUSE OF OUR DISSENTING VOTE.

HOWEVER, TODAY, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT IS MORE FOR THE APARTMENTS THAN NOT.

I HAVE NEIGHBORS WHOSE HOUSE BACKS UP ONTO DURAND. LOTS OF THESE PEOPLE WHOSE VOICES ARE AGAINST THE APARTMENTS WILL ONLY SEE THEM WHEN THEY PULL INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WILL GO BACK TO THEIR HOME AND FORGET ABOUT IT.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AS I LOOK OUT MY BACK DOOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SEE. IF IT CAME TO COMMERCIAL OR APARTMENTS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE APARTMENTS BECAUSE NOBODY CARES WHAT THE BACKSIDE OF COMMERCIAL LOOKS LIKE.

BUT I WILL. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TRASH THAT WILL BE DUMPED OUTSIDE OF THE DUMPSTERS OR THE 3:00 PICKUPS IN THE MORNING FOR THE DUMPSTERS.

I ALREADY HEAR THE GARBAGE CANS COMING THROUGH THE WENDY'S. AND IF IT CAME TO NOTHING, I WANT SOMETHING THERE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT IS JUST OVERGROWN.

ALREADY HAVE RATS IN MY BACKYARD AND IF THERE'S RATS, THERE'S SNAKES.

IT'S A MOSQUITO BREEDING GROUND, WHICH REALLY HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE IN FLORIDA.

I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THREE AND HALF YEARS. WE MOVED FROM ATLANTA TO ST.

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FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW THEIR CHILDREN TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE BOUGHT HERE. I'M STILL OKAY WITH THIS THAT SOME PLANE OR ANOTHER MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THINKING ABOUT PURCHASING IN THE UPCOMING AREA AND WE ARE PLANNING ON STAYING HERE FOR A LONG TIME.

>> MY NAME IS MARIANNE HAYES AND I LIVE AT 267 ROCK SPRING LOOP.

ONE THING I WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO IS IN THE CHANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO MULTIFAMILY WAS REPORTED REDUCED TRAFFIC ESTIMATE WOULD BE 40 PERCENT BUT I THINK THE POINT IS OVERLOOKED COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC COMES AND GOES RANDOMLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY USUALLY NOT BEFORE 9:00 A.M.. BUT THE TRAFFIC FROM A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WOULD HAVE OVER A THOUSAND UNITS IN IT WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD BE INCREASED TRAFFIC IN THE MORNING AND RUSH HOUR THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF LUGGAGE FOR. IT'S NOT RANDOM THROUGHOUT THE DAY AS COMMERCIAL WOOD.

THIS WOULD BE ENTERING INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKLET WITHIN A SMALL WINDOW OF TIME IN THE MORNING AND EVENING. I NOTICED THERE IS A BRIDGE ALLOCATED FOR COMMERCIAL AND ALSO IS POSSIBLY JUST I DIDN'T REALIZE THE GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE WAS ALREADY APPROVED. I STILL GO ON RECORD AS OPPOSING THAT.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE? WE WILL TRY TO GO INTO THE CALL

IN. >> I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE BUT I ALSO --

>> CAN YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? WE MISSED IT IT DIDN'T GET

RECORDED. MY NAME IS CHRIS >> ADDRESS? YES I KNOW THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE PEOPLE FROM THE AREA BUT I WANTED TO GIVE A VOICE IN SUPPORT OF THEM. MY HOUSE IS ON THAT STRETCH BACK BACK WINDOW THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE IN QUESTION FOR THE APARTMENTS WILL PROBABLY BE BUILT. WE KNOW THAT WHATEVER IS BUILT THERE IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO LOOK AT EVERY DAY FROM INSIDE MY HOUSE WHEN WE FIRST MOVED HERE, WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE IDEA OF HAVING SHOPPING SO CLOSE BUT I HAVE SINCE CHANGED MY MIND.

THE BIGGEST REASONS AS I TALKED WITH A CLOSE RELATIVE WHO LIVED IN A HOUSE FOR YEARS BEFORE SHOPPING CENTER WAS BUILT BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. HE TOLD ME SEVERAL REASONS WHY

HE ULTIMATELY SOLD HIS HOME >> 103 BLUE JACK LN. >> WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER

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CALLER ON THE LINE. >> GOOD MORNING. AS SLAVE IN BOX 3084.

SLEEP GOOD FOR SAID LIKE YOU TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR YOUR EX R.J. DISCLOSURES.

IF YOU COULD IN THE FUTURE VIDEOTAPE THEM THESE TRANSMITTALS GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND THERE IS PRECIOUS LITTLE CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT THE INTEREST IS GOOD PRESENTATIONS ARE MADE BY THE DEVELOPERS WITHOUT A PEEP FROM ADMINISTRATION AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ON THE RECORD FOR YOU ALL TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO SWEAR [INDISCERNIBLE] IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS PROJECT I WILL REALLY LIKE TO KNOW DOES THE CHANGE IN THE TREATMENT REFLECT DISCRIMINATION AND POSSIBLE FAIR HOUSING VIOLATION CAN ALL DON'T KNOW BUT WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ISOLATE THE APARTMENTS, THINKING IS THIS JIM CROW LAW, 1968 DOCTOR KING WAS ASSASSINATED

>> PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE AGENDA ITEM >> IT IS.

AS FOR HOUSING WHAT IMPLICATIONS IT HAS CONSEQUENCES AND IS BEING ENFORCED.

[INDISCERNIBLE] >> CAUSES A LOT OF CONFUSION AND THERE WAS NO FATALITIES.

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>> IS THERE ANOTHER CALLER HOLDING? AN ADDRESS, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD. >> TOM REYNOLDS. 50 BRIGADOON CT.

ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND I URGED THE COMMISSION TO PASS THESE PROJECTS.

I SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE SECOND PREVIOUS CALLER WHEN HE SAID THESE ARE GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL APARTMENT HOMES AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA OVER THERE.

THEN THE WHOLE AREA THERE IS AND DOES NOTHING BUT BRING GOOD PEOPLE.

PEOPLE SHOULD NEVER WORRY ABOUT WHO WAS GOING TO LIVE THERE WHAT'S GOING TO MOVE THERE.

IT'S A GORGEOUS AREA AND I SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE COLLINS.

ITEM 3 AND FOUR. >> WE WILL CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, A LITTLE BIT OF REBUTTAL PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO TRAFFIC.

I RESPECT WETNESS THAT'S THE SCENIC HIGHWAY THAT GOES FROM EAST OF BANNON LAKE THROUGH TO U.S. 1. AND IT IS A CONSTRAINED ROAD BECAUSE IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTRAINED ROAD BY YOUR POLICY.

WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY AND THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS AT THE RESIDENCE DISPOSED

>> JEFF GREENE IN 14775 OLD ST. AUGUSTINE ROAD. THERE WERE SEVERAL ISSUES BROUGHT UP IN ONE IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC COMING UP THE 40 PERCENT REDUCTION WE SHOULD SEE WHICH IS THE HOUR THE COUNTY DESIGNATES FOR STUDY THE PEAKS DIFFERENTLY.

IT ALSO 40 PERCENT UP OR JUST A LITTLE MORE REDUCTION IN THE TRAFFIC IF IT GOES FROM COMMERCIAL USES TO MULTIFAMILY USES. THE SAFETY ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF MET PARKWAY TO THE EAST, THIS DEVELOPER DONATED RIGHT AWAY AT THE CURB FOR IT TO BE FLATTENED OUT. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO TRY TO MAKE THE ROADWAY SAFE AND HAVE DONE WHAT WE CAN ON THAT. THERE ALSO QUESTIONS NOT ONLY HERE BUT AT PCA ABOUT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON THIS BOULEVARD.

IT WILL GENERATE SOMEWHERE ABOUT 600 CARS IN OUR AND A FULL BUILDOUT.

A 2 LANE RD. WILL HANDLE 1200 CARS IN OUR. SO THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH CAPACITY ON THE 2 LANE RD. WHEN YOU GET UP TO PARCEL A IT WIDENS UP TO FOUR LANES AND THERE IS A SECOND ROAD OUT TO STAFF REACHED OUT AND ASKED THAT WE RERUN THE MODEL TO LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF BANNON LAKES. IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY IT WAS JUST OVER 10 PERCENT IN THE MOST RECENT MODELING THAT WE DID, IT WAS 11 1/2. PEOPLE ARE NOT ON A DAILY BASIS GOING OUT TO U.S. 1. WE SAW MORE OF THE CHANGE GOING WEST OF 95 WITH THE NEW MODELING BOTH OVER TO [INDISCERNIBLE] AND COSTCO'S ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IT OVER TO COUNTY ROAD 2209. SO I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH ADDRESSES THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON >> ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH

COMMERCIAL USES DID YOU USE FOR YOUR STUDY? >> SHOPPING CENTER AND OFFICE

>> OKAY. AND WHAT USES ARE BEING SET FOR A SITE RIGHT NOW?

>> IS SET UP AS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. WE GO TO MULTIFAMILY, WE DISPLACE MOST OF IT. IN FACT, WE LOOKED AT -- THERE IS 120,000 SQUARE FEET SET TO

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WE MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE MULTIFAMILY AND THOSE TOTAL TOGETHER VERSUS THE ORIGINAL ENTITLEMENTS IS ABOUT 40 PERCENT REDUCTION.

IF I MAY DO THE CHAIR WHEN YOU SAID GENERAL COMMERCIAL UMAINE COMMERCIAL AS DESCRIBED IN THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH HAS SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIALS

>> THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WITH ALL TRUTH GENERATION THERE ARE SPECIFIC RATES FOR SPECIFIC THINGS. THERE ARE RATES FOR FAST FOOD AND THERE'S ALSO A RATE FOR A SHOPPING CENTER WHICH KIND OF ENCOMPASSES ALL OF THAT.UT PARCELS, GENERAL RETAIL, SOME PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND GAS STATION, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS USED FOR BOTH THE ORIGINAL ANALYSIS AND OUR SUBSEQUENT COMPARISON AND FURTHER REDUCTION.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES.'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I FIRST WANT TO SAY I DO THINK THAT THESE SHARP TURNS ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF MET PARKWAY HEADED TOWARDS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. I DO THINK IT'S AN ISSUE.

HAVING SAID THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 WITH THE ADOPTION OF COMP AMENDMENT 20 2003 TO MODIFY THE COMPREHENSIVE TAX POLICY 8.1.11.1 IN ORDER TO INCREASE THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM 99 TO 1286 BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FOR YOU BOTH HERE.

I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS GOING FORWARD. I THINK SOME OF THESE STATISTICS ARE TROUBLING. THIS SPECIFIC APPLICANT IS NOT THE FULL CAUSE OF THAT OR MANY OF THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN EXISTING WITH 122 PEOPLE INJURED THIS IS SOMETHING I LOOK FORWARD TO ADDRESSING A MEETING TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS THERE.

AGAIN, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I WOULD MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 19 FOR APPROVAL OF MAJOR MODIFICATION 20 2002 BANNON LAKES PUD MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE BANYAN LAKES PLANNED DEVELOPMENT UNIT ORDINANCE 2015 Ã11 AS AMENDED AS A COMPONENT -- CONFERENCE OF PLAN.

DOES THE MAKER AND THE SECOND ACKNOWLEDGE AND INCLUDE THE RED FOLDER, REDLINE CHANGES?

>> YES, SIR. SO AMENDED. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. SEEING NOTHING FURTHER, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5 TO 0 > MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD SOME IDEAS OR POTENTIAL SOLUTION PERTAINING TO INTERNATIONAL GOLF MET PARKWAY OR NINE MILE RD. WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT CITIZEN TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THROUGH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> I CAN'T SEE. HE'S OBSCURING YOUR VIEW. PLEASE GET WITH THIS CITIZEN AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LISTEN TO WHAT HER CONCERNS ARE.

CAN YOU MAKE CONTACT AND DO THAT? Q. MA'AM? WE WILL HAVE A MEET WITH MR. [INDISCERNIBLE] WE WILL MOVE ON TO -- WE WILL TRY TO GO TO

[5. CPA (SS) 2020-01 Danforth Property. A request for a Small Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use Map classification of approximately 7 acres of land from Rural/Silviculture (R/S) to Community Commercial (CC), specifically located at 5720 County Road 210 West. On March 18, 2021, the Planning and Zoning Agency voted 4-1 to recommend approval.]

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>> MORNING. DOUG BURNETT, ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP.

I'M GOING TO TALK QUICK AND GO REALLY QUICK. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF KATE AND BUBBA DANFORTH WHO OWN THIS PROPERTY. A SHORT PART OF THE STORY IS THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FEEL-GOOD MOMENTS FOR ME AND I HOPE YOU JOIN IN THIS.

YOU'VE GOT LITERALLY THE LITTLE GUY MOVING ON FROM COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TRIED TO GET ENTITLEMENTS IN UNDERSTANDING AND SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THEM THEY WANT TO TRY TO GET A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT ON THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT MORE VALUABLE AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY. GENERAL LOCATION, YOU CAN SEE COUNTY ROAD 210 W. COMING INTO COUNTY ROAD 16 A ALONG WITH PINE PARKWAY GOING UP. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE GONE ON. HERE IS AN AERIAL OF THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE NOT TOO LONG AGO, GRAND CREEK WAS APPROVED AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A FUTURE LAND REUSE -- USE MAP AMENDMENT TO TURN THE PROPERTY INTO COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT LAYS IN NEXT TO THE GRAND CREEK WE DID A ROUGH SITE PLAN TO SHOW WHAT THE PROPERTY COULD LOOK LIKE.

OBVIOUSLY SUBSEQUENTLY TO HAVE A PUD AND A SET OF DRAWINGS TO COME THROUGH.

REALLY, THAT'S IT. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND NOBODY HAD ANY OBJECTIONS. WE HAD NO RESIDENT WAIVES ANY OBJECTION AND I CAN TELL YOU I DID TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST IT WAS A LARGE PROPERTY OWNER, PROBABLY MOST OF YOU KNOW THAT PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST.

WITH THAT IN MY PRESENTATION, I WILL STOP TALKING. >> STINKY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? WHY DON'T WE OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CAN WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON 95 -- ITEM FIVE NUMBER. MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT MR. BURNETT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY OR PROJECT TO THE WEST, I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SILVER LEASE. THAT SHOULD MR. > CAN WE CONFIRM WHETHER WE HAVE A THE CALLS I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION CPA 20 2001 DANFORTH PROPERTY BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS

OF FACT. >> SECOND. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND FROM MR. DEAN SO I WILL GIVE THAT -- WE HAVE A MOTION BY WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0.

[6. Public Hearing * CPA (SS) 2020-06 5960/5956 Don Manuel Road. Request for a Small Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to change the Future Land Use designation of approximately 5.0 acres of land from Agriculture (A/I) to Residential-A (Res-A), specifically located at 5960 and 5956 Don Manuel Road. On March 18, 2021, the Planning and Zoning Agency voted 5-0 to recommend approval.]

>> GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, I WILL NOTE I FEEL LIKE I'M GETTING A LITTLE OLDER

NOW WHEN ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES IS TALKING ABOUT RETIREMENT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

NOW WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. GOOD MORNING, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING.

I RESIDE AT 5960 THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SMALL COMP AMENDMENT FOR THE FIVE ACRES WHICH ENCOMPASSES [INDISCERNIBLE] AND THIS CHANGE IS FOR THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM AI AGRICULTURE TO LETTER A RESIDENTIAL. THE BACKGROUND IS THIS IS A MOTHER/DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP IN

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THIS IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE ARROW SHOWS. WE ARE BASICALLY AT THE DEAD END OF THE ROAD GOING TOWARDS THE WEST. THIS IS THE CURRENT AND PROPOSED MUTUAL USE. THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP WHICH YOU CAN SEE MY HOUSE IS IN THE YELLOW BOX AND THIS IS THE LAND NEXT TO ME. AND THEN THE OTHER RESIDENCES.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS FARMING AND SOME RESIDENCES AS WELL.

THIS IS THE FLOOD ZONE MAP IT'S X FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP WHICH THE SUMMARY OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD MEETING ON MARCH 18TH OF THIS YEAR SHOULD THE AGENCY MEMBERS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OUR REQUEST WITH A 5 TO 0 VOTE. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ITEMS AND ONE WAS -- THE DISCUSSION BEGAN WITH SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSAL BECAUSE OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USES COMPRISED OF LOW INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL ALONG WITH ACTIVE FARMING AND SINCE THE PROPOSAL IS MAINLY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ONE HOUSE PROVES TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORING LANDS.

AGENCY MEMBER DID INQUIRE ABOUT THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WHERE IT SHOWS ONE HOUSE AND THE USAGE -- THE QUESTION WAS WAS IT GOING TO BE RAISED ARE NOT RAISED AND THEY DID CONFIRM IT WOULD BE A RAISED DRAINAGE FIELD WHICH IS THAT WHOLE AREA AS REQUIRED.

I WAS ALSO ASKED TO IDENTIFY THE LAND TO THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WHERE MY HOUSES AND I HAD RESPONDED THAT AND, MY BROTHER LIVES THERE IN THE LAND BETWEEN US IS A BIG FIELD WE MAINTAIN AND THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. THERE WAS NO OTHER COMMENT AT

THE TIME. THE ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> IF YOU DON'T MIND COULD YOU BACK UP TO THE AERIAL?

>> SURE. >> I WILL CONCUR I BELIEVE THIS IS COMPATIBLE AND THE NEIGHBORS DO AGREE, THE TAYLOR'S AND MR. MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT HERE, RIGHT HERE IS A DITCH.

>> THAT'S CORRECT >> AND IT DRAINS ALL OF THIS FORM AND PART OF THIS FORM, IF

NOT MOST OF IT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT'S BEEN THERE FOREVER.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS AN EXISTING DITCH THAT DRAINS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT HAS A VALUE AND THAT NEEDS SOME KIND OF LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD AS WELL TO MAINTAIN THE VALUE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AS WELL.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM >> THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

IT BASICALLY RUNS TO THE WOODS RIGHT NOW. IT'S A NATURAL DITCH.

THE WATER ITSELF RUNS OUT TO THE WOODS BEHIND US. >> NOTHING TO IMPEDE IT.

>> WE HAVE ACTUALLY TRIED TO MAINTAIN IT TO SOME DEGREE LIKE WHEN A TREE LIMB FALLS, WE MOVE

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NOBODY IS GONE IN THERE AND TRIED TO DIG IT OUT. WE JUST TRY TO GET THE LANDS --

>> DO WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A NATURAL DRAIN AND IS ABLE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LEVEL NOT

BEING IMPEDED OR STRUCK ALONG THE WAY? >> IF YOU WANT TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT QUICKLY WILL NOW OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 6? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN I WILL MOVE THIS ITEM. MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-21 COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE AMENDMENT SMALL-SCALE 2020-06 5960 AND 5956 BASED ON FOUR

FINDINGS OF FACT. >> SECOND >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

[7. Public Hearing * VACROA 2020-04 Jackson Park Blk 12 - Cheney - setting a Public Hearing to vacate portion of a 12-1/2 foot alley lying behind or adjacent to Lot 7 Block 12 and Lots 1,2,3 Block 12, Jackson Park Subdivision, as recorded in Map Book 3, page 51, of the public records of St. Johns County, Florida. The applicant requests the vacation of a portion of a 12-1/2 foot alley lying behind or adjacent to Lot 7 Block 12 and Lots 1,2,3 Block 12, Jackson Park Subdivision. Based on staff's review thus far, traffic patterns will not be negatively impacted, and no party will be unreasonably affected by the requested vacation. Staff anticipates we will have no objections to the request.]

>> I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO PETITION TO VACATE AN ALLEYWAY.

I -- THERE IS AN ALLEYWAY IN BETWEEN MY PROPERTY THAT ADJOINS TO LOT 1, TWO, THREE.

IS NORTH OF US [INDISCERNIBLE] U.S. 1. SO FOURTH AVENUE IS THERE.

THE LINE INDICATES THAT'S WHERE THE ALLEYWAY IS BETWEEN LOT SEVEN AND GOT ONE, TWO, AND THREE. THAT'S THE AERIAL VIEW SO THAT BOX IS THE ALLEYWAY IN QUESTION. SO ALL THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE JOINED THE PETITION AND THE PROPOSED VACATION DOES NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT ACTUAL OR LEGAL ACCESS.

THE CORRIDOR DOES NOT HOUSE ANY PUBLIC UTILITIES AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

I'M ASKING THE COUNTY TO VACATE THIS PLEASE. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> WHY DON'T WE MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7.

NUMBER SEVEN. NO COLLINS, NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE SO THAT WILL COMPLETE PUBLIC COMMENT > PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CONCLUDED.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I WILL MOVE. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR DISTRICT.

I THINK I CAN LOCATE THE FILE. >> MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 Ã176.

APPROVING VACATION 2020 JACKSON PARK PETITION TO ALLOCATE [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> SECOND >> I'M GOING TO GIVE BACK TO COMMISSIONER DEAN.

[8. Presentation of requested options for County Attorney recruitment. The County Attorney's contract is scheduled to expire on September 30, 2021. Staff will provide options for recruitment.]

AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. THANK YOU. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE

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MS. TAYLOR? >> GOOD MORNING. I WILL MAKE THESE COMMENTS BRIEF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE OPTIONS FOR YOUR RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN FOR THE NEXT COUNTY ATTORNEY. I PRESENTED TO YOU THE TIMEFRAME FOR THREE OPTIONS WHICH I WILL GO THROUGH BRIEFLY. OBVIOUSLY THE PROCESS FORCE WILL INCLUDE THE STANDARD ADVERTISEMENT SELECTION PROGRESS WE DO THINK IT WILL SLIGHTLY PROTRACTED AND WE HAVE TIME FRAMES TO CONSIDER IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION.HE ONBOARDING PROCESS WILL DEPEND ON THE CANDIDATE SELECTED AND THERE MAY BE SOME NEW LOCATION TIMES THAT MAY NEED TO BE ALLOCATED SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND THE COST WE WILL PRESENT TODAY WILL INCLUDE ADVERTISING, THE TRAVEL -RELATED EXPENSES, ANY SPECIFIC RECRUITMENT SERVICES THAT WE MIGHT NEED AND BACKGROUND SCREENS. SO THE THREE OPTIONS WE HAVE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT IN-HOUSE TO CONDUCT THAT RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN.

SECOND IS TO USE THE HR DEPARTMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY ATTORNEYS. WE WILL WORK HAND IN HAND TO FACILITATE THE RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN AND THE THIRD PARTY FOR THE SOUPS TO PUT INS FULL OPPORTUNITY FOR RECRUITMENT.

THE FIRST I WANT TO OUTLINE IS THE STEPS TO GO INTO THAT PROCESS. WE WOULD USE THE ENTIRE PRO PROCESS. WE WOULD USE TRADITIONAL SO SOURCING METHODS AND FACILITATE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU ABOUT YOUR CANDIDATES. FACILITATE THE PANEL REVIEW FOR INTERVIEWS AND BRING BACK THE SELECTED CANDIDATE OR RECOMMENDATION FOR SELECTED CANDIDATE FOR YOUR COSIDERATION. WE WOULD HANDLE ALL THE ON BOARD BACKGROUND WORK SCREENS AND REFERENCE CHECKS AND LABOR ATTORNEY TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACT AND SALARY NEGOTIATION DRAFT.

AND THE EXPENSES INCLUDE THE EXTERNAL RECRUITMENT SERVICES OF TRAVEL MA MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE WITH THE ATTORNEY FEES. WE ESTIMATE THAT COST BETWEEN $5,000 TO $11,000 AND APPROXIMATELY SEVEN TO EIGHT MONTHS AND I APOLOGIES FOR THE TYPO IN THE FIRST SLIDE FOR RECRUITMENT OF THAT CANDIDATE. IF I CAN, I AM GOING TO GO B BACK. MY APOLOGIES.

I ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS A PRO PRODUCTED TIMELINE FOR TIS OPTION, BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT WE HAVE OTHER EXTERNAL EXECUTIVE POSITIONS WE ARE ALSO RECRUITING AND TWO IMPLEMENTATION OF SOFTWARE UPGRADES.

IF YOU COME UP FOR ANY OTHER SERVICES IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE IT TO BE THIS LONG, BUT WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PROCESS. SO MOVING FORWARD, THE SECOND OPTION IS TO UTILIZE YOUR IN-HOUSE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IN COLLABORATION WITH THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY ATTORNEYS WHICH IS FACA. WILL HELP TO FACILITATE IDEAL CANDIDATES FOR YOU AND HELP ASSIST US IN THE RECRUITMENT EXTERNAL TO TRADITIONAL MET METHODS, SOCIAL MEDIA, THEIR OWN ASSOCIATION OF CANDIDATES. AND THEY WILL BE A LITTLE MORE HANDS-ON TO HELP GUIDE US THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

OUR INTERNAL HR STAFF WILL HAVE THE PRACTICE FOR SCREENINGS.

WE WILL FACILITATE THE INTERVIEW PANEL LAND HELP AND BEYOND THAT PANEL BASED ON YOUR GUIDANCE SHOULD WHICH CHOOSE AND A $5,000 FEE FOR THAT SERVICE FACILITATE.

UTILIZED BY YOUR HR DEW POINT AND GUIDED BY THEIR EXPERTISE.

THE COST OF THAT INCREASES BY $5,000 AND LOOKING AT $10,000 TO $16,000. THE TIME FRAME IS SIX MONTHS AND USE FACA TO SPEED UP THAT PROCESS PACED ON OUR CURRENT WORKLOAD. THE THIRD OPTION WOULD ENLIST THE THIRD-PARTY SEARCH FIRM TO MANAGE MANY OF THE ACTIVITIES OUTLINED PREVIOUSLY. WE WILL MEET WITH BOARD MEMBERS -- THEY WOULD MEET WITH BOARD MEMBERS TO DEVELOP THE PROFILE.

AND IDENTIFY WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SOURCE THOSE CAND CANDIDATES. THEY WOULD DO PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OUTREACH TO IDENTIFY CANDIDATES.

THEY WILL SCREEN THEM, COORDINATE INTERVIEWS WITH YOU ALL AND STAFF TO BE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS

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THE FIRM ITSELF WILL COVER THE TRAVEL ARRANGEMENT AND COSTS AS WELL AS NEGOTIATION AND CONTRACT PREPARATION.

THE COST FOR THE SERVICE PRELIMINARILY IS ABOUT $25,000 TODAY 30,000 AND TAKE APPROXIMATELY FOUR MONTH AND THIS IS JUST MOST EXPEDITIOUS OPTION.

IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THIS THIRD OPTION WILL REQUIRE BASED ON BOARD'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO GO THROUGH AN R FP PROCESS AND TAKE BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS TACKED ON TO THE END. THIS LAST SLIDE IS JUST TO KIND OF. ALL OF THESE OPTIONS WOULD ALLOW INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO APPLY.

WHILE I RECOGNIZE THE TIME FRAMES DON'T VARY MUCH, THE WORKLOAD AND OF WORK DOES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE OPTIONS WE PROVIDED. AND WE ARE PREPARED AND.

THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BEFORE BY TO PUBLIC COMMENT I WOULD LIKE

TO RECOGNIZE SIZE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THOSE THREE OPTIONS THAT MISS TAYLOR DESCRIBED FORT BOARD AND THE BOARD HAVE THE EXPECTATION OF THOSE.

I WANT TO MAKE THE GENERAL COMMENT BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE BOARD IS NOT NECESSARILY CONSTRAINED TO THOSE THREE OPTIONS. THE BOARD CAN USE A COMBINATION OF THOSE OPTIONS, THE BOARD CAN USE AN IDEA EITHER THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANY PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER.

I JUST WANTED -- IT IS THE BOARD'S PREROGATIVE HOW IT WANT TO CHOOSE ITS NEXT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THOSE ARE OPTIONS. THREE PRESENTED BUT THOSE DON'T NECESSARILY CONSTRAIN THE BO BOARD.

THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE DO THIS BEFORE -- FIRST, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS TAYLOR.

I HAVE SOMETHING I WANT TO BRING YOU BUT FIRST GO TO

PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. >> HENRY DEAN: TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON SELECTION OF COUNTY ATTORNEY.

IS THERE A CALL-IN HOLDING. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> ED SLAVIN, BOX 3084, EDSLAVIN.COM. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF FOR PUTTING THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND BASED UPON THE TIMELINE, I SUGGEST OPTION 3 WITH A VERY STRONG PREFERENCE FOR PUTTING ANY ORGANIZATIONAL CONFLICTS OF INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE RECRUITING HEAD HUNTER.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL FLORIDA BAR JOURNAL SEARCH.

A FULL EEO AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SEARCH AND LOOK FOR PEOPLE WITH EXPERTISE AND ENVIRONMENTAL LAW, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, CIVIL RIGHTS, LAND USE, PLANNING LAW, GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS. THE IDEA TO HAVE THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY ATTORNEY BE INVOLVED IN THE RECRUITMENT WOULD SILO AND CABIN THIS PROCESS TOO MUCH.

AND BASICALLY THE STAFF HAS TOLD YOU, THEY HAVE HAD SO MANY PROJECTS GOING MAYBE THEY NEED MORE FTES.

BUT HR STAFF WOULD TAKE NINE MONTHS.

THE EXTERNAL RECRUITMENT RECRUITER WOULD TAKE FOUR MONTHS. AND THAT'S WITHIN THE TIME FRAME WE HAVE IN MIND BECAUSE THE INCUMBENT IS LEAVING ON SEPTEMBER 3. SO I WOULD -- I WOULD LIEN HEAVILY FORWARD OPTION 3 AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A RECRUITING FIRM THAT IN ANY WAY IS CONTAMINATED WITH RELATION WHAT IS LOOSELY CALLED THE REGULATED COMMUNITY WHICH IS TO SAY THE POLLUTERS, THE DEVELOPER, THE PEOPLE SEEKING GENERAL CONTRACT, THE GRIFTERS ALL OVER THE COUNTY WANTING THE COUNTY BUSINESS IN A BILLION DOLLAR OPERATION.

BUT IT IS, GENTLEMEN, A BILLION DOLLAR OPERATION AND THE SUM PROPOSED IN THE STAFF PROPOSAL, $25,000 TO $30,000 MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE HIGH IN THE OLDEN DAYS AND I DON'T CARE IF WE GET SOMEBODY FROM CALIFORNIA. I WOULDN'T MIND HAVING SOMEBODY FROM CALIFORNIA. THE FOQ.

THE UPONFIED WALL IF YOU OCCASION FOR YOU TO SAY FLORIDA LAW LICENSE. THEY NEED TO KNOW -- FLORIDA BAR JOURNAL SEARCH PLEASE AND FOLLOW THE EXAMPLES OF THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OF THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH AND ANASTASIA COMMISSION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND WHEN THEY.

THEY HAD OPEN PUBLIC INTE INTERVIEWS.

AND I LOVE THE WAY THAT -- THAT MAYOR GARY SNYDER DID IT ON ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH. HALF AN HOUR PER APPLICANT AND GOT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC AT A PUBLIC MEETING AND GOD BLESS THEM. ASKED A QUESTION.

JIM WILSON. HE HAD BEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY -- BECAUSE I WAS THERE 14 YE

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SO LET'S DO OUR BEST AND GO WITH OPTION 3.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. >> PRESERVATION OF RIGHTS.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER CALL-IN. ANY OTHER CALL-INS? SEEINGSON NONE. NONE.

OKAY. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 8? ITEM 8? I THINK THAT CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR.

SEEING IT IS CLOSED, I WILL DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT IF I COULD. AS A CHAIR, THE CHAIRMAN'S ROLE IS NOT TO MAKE MOTIONS, BUT I AM GOING TO BRING SOMETHING FORWARD. I RECOMMEND THAT WE GO WITH OPTION ONE. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT HIRE THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IN OUR TENURE ON HERE OF MR. CONRAD. WE HAVE A NEW BOARD AND A NEW MEMBER AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE FORM A COMMITTEE OF BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION.

THE PURPOSE IS TO SELECT THREE OR FIVE FINALISTS FROM THE APPLICANTS. THE HR DEPARTMENT WILL RECEIVE THE APPLICATIONS AND TAKE THOSE IN.

VETTED THROUGH THE NORMAL HR VETTING.

THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR EACH FINALIST TO APPEAR BEFORE THE BOARD.

IG I THINK THAT IS A GREAT RECOMMENDATION AND HAVE EACH OF THEM PUBLICLY INTERVIEWED HERE ON THE ROOM AS A BOARD TO MAKE A FINAL SELECTION AND GET RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE HH FROM THIS COMMITTEE ABOUT A CRITERIA.

WE COULD VOTE. EACH OF THE APPLICANTS THREE OR FIVE SELECTED BY THE COMMITTEE BROUGHT IN HERE TO DO THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK -- I -- MY RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS COMMITTEE. AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT UNDER ORDINANCES. I SPOKE TO MR. MCCORMACK.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK VICE-CHAIR HARRY DEAN, 40 YEARS OF LEGAL EXPERIENCE. I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM AND OUR FORMER CHAIR JEB SMITH. I WANT TO REPINLD THE BOARD WHEN WE HIRED MR. CONRAD, COMMISSIONER SMITH WAS THE LEADER AND WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS, A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS AND MR. CONRAD WAS DUE ON MILITARY AND I APPRECIATE MR. SMITH, AND HE IS NOT AN ATTORNEY AND IMPORTANT TO HAVE FEEDBACK FROM A NONATTORNEY ON HERE.

I DON'T THINK THE ATTORNEYS WILL MAKE ALL THE DECISION.

MY DECISION WILL BE -- I THINK THIS WILL SAVE OUR MONEY AND TIGHTEN THAT TIMELINE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COMMISSIONER OF MR. CONRAD, COMMISSIONER DEAN, COMMISSIONER SMITH TO BOIL IT DOWN TO THREE TO FIVE APPLICANTS AND SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THEY WILL COME IN AND SIT HERE FROM THE DAIS AND INTERVIEW THEM. ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND VOTE RIGHT HERE AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE AS PART OF MR. MCCORMACK.

AS PART OF YOUR RESIGNATION LETTER DID YOU INDICATE YOU WOULD ENGAGE IN AN EXTENSION. IF WE ARE GOING BEYOND THE T TIMELINE VERY CAPABLE LIEUTENANTS THAT CAN STEP UP AS ACTING COUNTY ATTORNEYS AN SOME MAY BE APPLYING TO THIS POSITION AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING A MONTH OR TWO-MONTH EXTENSION. I THINK THIS WILL BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND IDENTIFY THE BEST APPLICANT.

MR. CONRAD HAS A LAW DEGREE AND NOT PRACTICING RIGHT NOW.

HE IS MAKING SOME HIRES. AND WE HAVE -- COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS AND YOU HAVE GREAT EXPERIENCE AND I THINK WE NEED A NONLAWYER ON THERE AND YOU LES THROUGH A VERY DIFFICULT TIME. YOU LED US THROUGH A TRANSITION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR INPUT ON THIS AND COME BACK TO US AS A BOARD.

THAT IS MY -- THE CHAIRMAN NORMALLY DOESN'T MAKE MOTION AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS A PRACTICE AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE, BUT I FEEL STRONGLY TO HIRE TWO PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, WE HIRE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND THAT IS THE ROLE AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.

THE BEST WOMAN OR MAN HERE AND DO THE BEST JOB.

I AM GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

FORMALLY AS A MOTION. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT IS. IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT IF THE BOARD DETERMINES IT WISHES TO FORM SUCH COMMITTEE, IT WOULD BE A SUNSHINE COMMITTEE, AND OBVIOUSLY IF THERE ARE TWO BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT, IN ITSELF, WOULD BE.

THE BOARD'S RULES AND POLICIES DO HAVE A PROVISION FOR SPECIAL COMMITTEES AND SO I WOULD PRESUME THAT IT WOULD -- IF THERE WAS SUCH A COMMITTEE FORMED IT WOULD FALL IN THOSE -- WHICH IS LARGELY. LARGELY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOUR

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COMMENTS, THANK YOU. >> OUR ORDINANCES WE CAN APPOINT A SPECIAL COMMITTEE AND THIS WILL BE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE. THIS IS NOT TO EXCLUDE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BUT I THINK A LOT OF VETTING.

I THINK OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WITH OUR HR WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING US THE BEST THREE TO FIVE CANDIDATES. SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS.

>> I AM SORRY, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY.

THE COMMITTEE YOU ARE PROPOSING WOULD HAVE TWO MEMBERS.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WOULD HAVE THREE MEMBERS.

>> THE THIRD WILL BE. >> THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR REPRESENTING COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH REPRESENTING THE BOARD.

>> THAT IS LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD CAN DO THAT AND AGAIN THAT WOULD BE A SUNSHINE

COMMITTEE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME DO THIS, GENTLEMEN. MAKE THIS AS A MOTION AND SEE IF THERE IS A SECOND. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME FOR THE BOARD TO INITIATE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE WITH MEMBERS BEING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MR. HUNTER CONRAD, VICE-CHAIR, HENRY DEAN, AND COMMISSIONER JEB SMITH TO WORK WITH OUR HR DEPARTMENT TO IDENTIFY THREE TO FIVE CANDIDATES OF THE NORMAL HR PROS SETS AND BRING BACK TO THE BOARD -- PROCESS AND BRING BACK TO THE BOARD TO BE SCHEDULED AT A DIFFERENT TIME TO DO FURTHER INTERVIEWS WITH THE PROCESS.

>> HENRY DEAN: SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

OPEN IT UP. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID BUT I WOULD RATHER DO IT WITH NUMBER TWO, AND I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD TO GET THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES HELP FOR A SEARCH.

TALKING ABOUT INTERVIEWS BUT A SEARCH.

AND LOOK AT THE FLORIDA BAR, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE A COMMITTEE. LIKE YOU SAID KIND OF A FINE LINE. WE HIRE TWO PEOPLE.

THE COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS TO WORK WITH STAFF AND WORK FOR US.

TELL US WE ARE OUT OF LINE. AND WITH A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND TWO COMMISSIONERS TO FIND A PERSON TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS A TOUGH JOB. HE DOESN'T ANSWER TO THE ADMINISTRATORS. HE ANSWERS TO US.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OR SHOW. >> PAUL WALDRON: OR SEE.

THE WAY I SAID IT. BUT -- AND LIKE YOU SAID, THEY NEED TO BE -- UNDERSTAND THE FLORIDA LAW.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON, CAN I BRIEFLY ADDRESS THAT. I THINK YOU RAISED A GREAT POINT. THIS PAST WEEKEND WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE MATERIAL BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES DO A WONDERFUL JOB.

THE RESOURCES ARE TREMENDOUS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST -- IT IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL AND YOU LOOK AT THE TIME FRAME.

IT IS VERY PLAUSIBLE THEY ARE GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING THE SAME ATTORNEYS WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK WHAT YOU ATTRACT ARE THREE TYPES OF ATTORNEYS.

YOU ATTRACT THOSE OTHER INTERESTED MOVING ON FROM THE CURRENT SITUATION. IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE -- THAT LOOK AT THE SALARY, WHATEVER THAT WILL BE.

AND I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE -- ONE OF THE -- FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT PEOPLE WHO ARE SILOED.

CHANGE THIS WILL DO WITH THE EXPERTISE WE ARE PUTTING ON THIS COMMITTEE. A LOT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE HR PROCESS. I THINK -- I THINK THIS COMMITTEE COULD REALLY DO THE JOB OF THE FAC.

NOT TO DOWNPLAY THEIR INVOLVEMENT AND SAY THEY COULDN'T DO A GOOD JOB AS WELL. BUT I LOOK AT THE COST AND TIME FRAME, WE COULD COME UP WITH THE SAME RESULTS FOR LESS MO MONEY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> HENRY DEAN: IT DOES, IT DOES.

THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY THEY HELP WITH THE

SEARCH OR DOING INTERVIEWS. >> FACILITATE MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL AND FACILITATE THE SEARCH. THEY WILL PARTICIPATE TO WHATEVER LEVEL WE WANT THEM TO IN THE INTERVIEW THEMSELVES.

IF THEY CAN TAKE A BACK SEAT AND DRIVE AND FACILITATE THE PROCESS OR TAKE MORE OF A LEAD ROLE THAT THEY OFFER FOR THAT $5,000 GRAND. WHATEVER YOUR PRESENCE IS.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE ARE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: JUST FOR MY PERSONAL HISTORY AND PERSPECTIVE, I REALLY DON'T SEE A NEED TO GO TO THE PARTICIPATION BY THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTY ATTO ATTORNEYS.

I THINK THIS IS REALLY EASILY HANDLED WITHIN OUR OWN GROUP THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MR.

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SO I WILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH ITEM -- OPTION ONE.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I WILL SAY IT TODAY, IN SIX MONTHS I WILL FORGET. I DON'T SEE ANY NEED WHATSOEVER OF A LABOR LAWYER TO ENGAGE LABOR LAWYER FRANKLY, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD A VERY SOLID CONTRACT WITH MAYBE SOME TW TWEAKING. I DON'T SEE THIS AS ANYTHING AS FAR AS LABOR LAWYER AND I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

BUT I WILL SUPPORT OPTION ONE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. I THINK TO THAT POINT IF WE REACH A TIMELINE WHERE WE CAN -- MR. MCCORNACK YOUR RESIGNATION AND NOTIFICATION LEFT THAT OPEN.

YOU HAVE CAPABLE LIEUTENANTS WE ARE LOOKING AT NOW WHO CAN EASILY STEP IN AND FILL THAT GAP.

CONVERSATIONS WE CAN HAVE AS WE GO THROUGH.

AND I THINK THE COMMITTEE WILL GIVE A REPORT TO THE BOARD ON ITS PROGRESS AND GO FROM THERE. ANY FURTHER COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> JEB SMITH: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOU THOUGHTFULNESS AND INPUT.

AND I WILL DEFINITELY -- I HAD SOME OTHER THOUGHTS TODAY, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT I WILL YIELD TO IT.

AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT TO THE BOARD -- I THINK THAT IS VERY ADMIRABLE AND VERY APPRECIATIVE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, SIR.

I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

MR. CONRAD, ANY COMMENDS. >> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR, COMMISSION, DEPENDING ON HOW THE MOTION GOES, I HAVE PRACTICAL SUGGESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO WORK THROUGH TODAY WHILE THE BOARD IS SEATED WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH HERE ASSUMING THE BOARD RECOMMENDS THE APPROVAL OF THIS MOTION AND THE CHAIR.

SOMETHING TO BRING UP ONCE THE MOTION PASSES OR FAIL AND WHAT THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY IS AWARE WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE. WHEN WE HAVE IT BEFORE YOU COLLECTIVELY OPPOSED TO SCHEDULING IT AT ANOTHER BOARD MEETING OR TWO, FOUR WEEKS OUT. MOST PART THE PROCESS TO MYSELF AND MISS TAYLOR CLEAR. AND SO FAR AS A COMMITTEE OF MYSELF AND COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DEAN TO COORDINATE THAT AND LET THE REST OF THE BOARD HEAR AND I WILL RESERVE THOSE COMMENTS MR. CHAIR UNTIL THE MOTION IS

EITHER APPROVED OR DENIED. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY. THESE WILL BE DISCUSSED AN PUBLIC MEETINGS AND HAPPEN IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

WE WILL NEED TIME TO PUT THE ADVERTISEMENTS OUT AND COLLECT THOSE. THE TIMELINES -- WE WILL HEAR YOUR COMMENTS BUT SOME INFORMATION WE MAY NOT HAVE TODAY AND MAYBE THE COMMITTEE UNDER COMMISSIONER REPORTS CAN UPDATE ON US THE APPLICANT PROCESS.

ACCEPT ALL THE APPLICATIONS NOW THE COMMITTEE IS GOING INTO FORMAL REVIEW AND HAVE SOME IDEA TO WORK WHERE MR. MCCORMACK AND HIS TEAM. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER ON THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MCCO MCCORMACK.

MR. MCCORMACK, I WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT AS WELL.

>> PATRICK MCCORMACK: IF YOU MAY.

THIS CAN BE DONE. JUST IF IT IS MR. CONRAD HIMSELF, THAT MAY ACTUALLY EFFECT, SAY, AGENDA BRIEFINGS AND THAT KIND OF THING UNLESS IT IS DONE IN THE SUNSHINE.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT COULD BE A FEW LITTLE PROCEDURAL TYPE THINGS TO WORK THROUGH COMMISSIONER DEAN WITH THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND LABOR COUNSEL.

I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WILL BE REQUIRED, BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE EXPECTATION OF THAT TOTALLY OFF THE TABLE.

DON'T FORGET, THE COUNTY WILL BE NEGOTIATING WITH SOME OTHER PERSON AND THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUE THAT CAME UP.

SO I TAKE AS SORT OF THE WISH AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

>> HENRY DEAN: MY COMMENT CERTAINLY DOES NOT BAR THIS COMMISSION FROM ENGAGING A LABOR LAWYER.

>> HUNTER CONRAD: IF NECESSARY, YES.

>> HENRY DEAN: I SAW THAT IN OPTION THREE I WANTED TO GO ON THE RECORD NOW SAYING I DON'T THINK IT IS NECESSARY, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK AND DO THAT.

I CERTAINLY WASN'T INTENDED TO PROHIBIT OR BAR THE HIRING OF A

LABOR LAWYER. >> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU,

MR. CHAIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ALSO IT IS IMPORTANT NOTE BECAUSE SOME OF US DOES INVOLVE -- WE ARE NOT AT THE POINT BUT REACH THE POINT OF CONTRACT EXTENSION.

YOU AS THE DEPUTY AND AS THE CONTRACTUAL LAWYER TO ENGAGE MR. MCCORMACK SO HE IS NOT ADVISING US ON HIS OWN COU COUNTIES. ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS YOU

WANT TO SHARE? >> NO.

I MEAN, I'M HERE TO ASSIST THE BOARD.

WHATEVER YOU NEED, WE WILL BE ABLE TO CAKE CARE OF IT.

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BASED ON THAT WE HAVE A -- ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MYSELF AT ANY SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. >> WITH APPROVAL OF THE MOTION NORMALLY WE WILL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU AT ANOTHER COMMISSION MEETING. CERTAINLY WE ARE ABLE DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO WAIT TWO WEEKS AND HEARING FROM THIS MORNING AND HEARING FEEDBACK A SUGGESTION FROM AN HR AND I WAS INQUIRING WITH MISS TAYLOR IF THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

MY RECOMMENDATION PACED ON WHAT WE ARE SEEING AND THE BOARD'S APPROVAL WOULD BE TO TAKE THE FEEDBACK EACH OF YOU WORK WITH MISS TAYLOR AND ALLOW HER TO FACILITATE THAT AS WE DRAFT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY USING THE RECRUITING SERVICE THAT IS CALLED NEOGOV. A PLATFORM TO WORK WITH THIS BOARD OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS TO FINALIZE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

A LOT OF THAT CAN BE TAKEN FROM MR. MCCORMACK'S JOB DESCRIPTION AND HAS TO BE PUT OUT. SOLICITING SOME FEEDBACK FOR YOU INDIVIDUALLY WORKING TOWARD THAT OVER THE NEXT 30 DAYS AND WITHIN 30 DAYS POST THAT POSITION.

AS YOU KNOW JOB POSTINGS THAT ALLOW APPLICANTS AND WE COULD COME BACK AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND SAY WE ARE POST APPROXIMATING 30 TO 60 DAYS TO APPLY DEPENDING ON THE WILL OF THE BOARD AND HR WILL DO AN INITIAL REVIEW.

THOSE WHO MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS AS SUBMIT HOWEVER OF THOSE. MEET THE MINIMAL REVIEW OF THE COMMITTEE OF MYSELF, COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH AND BRING THOSE AND WHATEVER THE NUMBER.

YOU SUGGESTED THREE TO FIVE FOR THE BOARD TO DO THE FINAL INTERVIEWS. I STATED ANYER.

>> HAVE YOU THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH AND I WILL BE PUBLIC AND THE HR SCREEN FOR THE INITIAL QUALIFICATIONS, THAT WILL BE A PUBLICLY NOTED MEETING.

AND IN A CONFERENCE ROOM. AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE PICK THREE, FIVE, EIGHT, WHATEVER THIS BOARD'S DESIRE IS TO SUBMIT TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL INTERVIEWS IN ANOTHER PUBLICLY NOTICED MEET. HOW YOU CHOOSE TO DO THAT WE WILL DECIDE AT A LATER DATE. I WANT TO SOLICIT THAT RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AS A BOARD.

COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH PARTICIPATING ON THAT COMM COMMITTEE.

30 DAYS -- MISS TAYLOR WILL GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK OF DEVELOPING JOB DESCRIPTION. 30 TO 60 DAY DEPENDING AND SCREENING AND VERY SUCCESSFUL AND WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF AN APPLICANT POOL FOR CONSIDERATION OF JOB.

AND CUTTING THOSE WHO MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR REVIEW AND THREE TO FIVE COMING TO THE BOARD FOR Q AND A AND PUBLIC MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> MR. CHAIR IF I MAY FOLLOW UP ON MR. CONRAD'S COMMENTS.

ONE THING ABOUT POSTING AND MR. -- YOU MAY HAVE INCLUDED THIS AND WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS. THE NEO GOV -- IS THAT THE NAME OF THAT. BUT FOR THE LAW COMMUNITY THERE MAY BE THE FLORIDA BAR AND ONE OF ITS -- ONE OF ITS COMPONENTS AND THE FEW BROADCAST FOR P POSTING I WOULD PRESUME.

>> IF I CAN SAY SAY, MR. TA TAYLOR, A GIVEN, IN FLORIDA BAR JOURNAL AND WHERE YOU WILL BE RECRUITING YOUR NEXT COUNTY ATTORNEY. THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT,

MR. MCCORMACK. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ONE MORE KEY PIECE AND LIKE A BAR COMMITTEE HAS NINE LAWYERS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT I WANT COMMISSIONER SMITH YOUR POINT BECAUSE WE CAN SILO FOR IT. BUT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKS FOR ALL THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE LAWYER AND GREAT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL INCORPORATE THEM IN THERE AND DO A FLORIDA BAR SEARCH.

AND WE NEE TO FIND WHO IS THE BEST FIT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. >> THE MORE BROADLY THE NOTICE IS CAST. I THINK THE LARGER POTENTIAL

POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT MAKES SENSE. COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> JEB SMITH: CAN WE GET AN EXISTING JOB DESCRIBING OR A TEMPLATE FOR THAT JOB DESCRIPTION TO REVIEW IT AS

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AND WE NEED TO GET THIS TO US AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE AND TO BE

FORTHCOMING MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY. >> ABSOLUTELY, I AGREE COMMISSIONER SMITH. I THINK THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BY OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING. LET ME GIVE A FEEL FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD. I THINK WE CAN -- DO WE HAVE AN EXISTING JOB DESCRIPTION? I THINK WE CAN TIGHTEN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RUSH THIS, BUT I PLAN ON GETTING THAT FROM YOU AND LOOKING AT IT AS EARLY AS AFTERNOON IF YOU ARE WILLING TO GET IT TO US.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> JEB SMITH: I DO SENSE THAT YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW TOO.

SO I WILL DEFINITELY BE SENSITIVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I AM LOOKING WHAT MY DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY.

I CAN HANDLE MY SIDE OF THINGS MORE SO -- I UNDERSTAND THE TIME CONSTRAINTS. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE SEVEN TO EIGHT MONTHS VERSUS SIX MONTHS AND FOUR MONTHS.

THAT IS PRETTY INTENSE BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE ENGAGED IN NOW.

AND I THINK WE CAN BE SENSITIVE TO THAT AND NOT -- NOT PUSHING TO DO SOMETHING HASTILY, BUT I DON'T MIND DOING WHAT I HAVE BEEN CHARGED TO DO VERY QUICKLY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. YOU GIVE ME MY JOB.

I CAN MOVE FORWARD. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. YOU HAVE YOUR MARCHING ORDERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH. GENTLEMEN, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE -- WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK TO DO IT NOW. WE HAVE SOME OTHER AGENDA ITEMS WE CAN CONTINUE. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LUNCH RIGHT NOW. IS EVERYONE OKAY PUSHING

FORWARD? >> HENRY DEAN: EITHER WAY IS

FINE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PLEASURE

[10. Auditor Selection. In April 2019, Senate Bill number 7014 was signed by Governor Ron DeSantis, and mandates the procedures for selecting an auditor to conduct the annual financial audit required by section 218.39, Florida Statutes (F.S.). Section 218.391, F.S., commonly referred to as the “Auditor Selection Law,” takes effect for all audit service procurements commencing after July 1, 2019. The County’s most recent contract for auditor services will terminate following completion of work associated with the Fiscal Year 2020 audit. Accordingly, Staff seeks to procure audit services for the County to commence in 2021. In accordance with the Auditor Selection Law, the St. Johns County Board of County Commissioners (Board) is required to establish an auditor selection committee, which at minimum, includes each of the elected constitutional officers (or their respective qualified designee) and at least one Board member. Members of County staff may be appointed to the committee but are limited to serving in an advisory capacity. Once established, the auditor selection committee is required to: (1) establish factors for the evaluation of audit services; (2) publicly announce requests for proposals (RFP); (3) provide interested firms with the RFP; (4) evaluate proposals by qualified firms; and (5) rank and recommend to the Board no fewer than three firms to be the most highly qualified to perform the audit services. While the primary purpose of the auditor selection committee is to assist the Board in selecting an auditor to conduct the annual financial audit, at the Board’s discretion, the committee may serve other audit oversight purposes. Here, Staff requests that the Board act to establish the St. Johns County Auditor Selection Committee (Committee), and appoint the following members (or their respective qualified designee) to serve: the St. Johns County Supervisor of Elections, the St. Johns County Tax Collector, the St. Johns County Clerk of Circuit Court & Comptroller, the St. Johns County Property Appraiser, the St. Johns County Sheriff, and three members of the Board. Exceeding the minimum committee requirements is aimed at facilitating the presence of a quorum at each meeting to ensure timely procurement of the services.]

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER, JAIME LOCKLEAR, PURCHASING AND CONTRACTS.

IN ITEM IS FOR THE BOARD TO APPOINT A AUDITOR SELECTION CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOLICITATION OF A NEW AUDITING FIRM. ESSENTIALLY THIS IS GOING TO COMPLY WITH FLORIDA STATUTES 2:18, SECTION 391 AND BASICALLY CHANGED AND UPDATED IN 2019 WITH NEW REQUIREMENTS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF THE COMPOSITION OF THIS COMMITTEE.

ESSENTIALLY IT REQUIRES THAT ALL OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL AS ONE OF THE GOVERNING BOARD MEMBER AT A MINIMUM AND PROVIDE FOR A RESTRICTIONS OF STAFF OF ANY OF THE OFFICERS OF THE BOARD CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS COMMITTEE UNLESS THEY ARE AN ADVISORY CAPACITY.

THIS IS SETTING THE COMMITTEE AND AUTHORIZING THEM TO PERFORM THE DUTIES OUTLINED IN THE STATUTE.

YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMITTEE. ESTABLISH THE FACTOR FOR EVALUATION AND WILL BE REVIEWING THE RFP, PROVIDING INPUT AN COMMENTS BACK TO ADVERTISE IT AND GOING TO BE EVALUATING THE SUBMITTED PROPOSAL FROM THE FIRMS AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF NO FURTHER THAN THREE FIRMS FOR APPROVAL FOR THE COUNTY TO SELECT A FIRM TO ENTER NEGOTIATIONS WITH. ALL IS OUTLINED IN THE STATUTE.

WORD FOR WORD FROM THE STATUTE AND SECURING CONFORMANCE.

THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF YOU TO ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE WITH THE FIVE OFFICERS, THE FIVE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND THREE BOARD MEMBERS. THE REASON FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION TO SECURE QUORUM AND WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NEXT STEP. WITH THE BOARD'S APPOINTMENT, THIS COMING FRIDAY AT 9 A.M. IN THESE CHAMBERS AND GET THE RFP REVIEWED AND ADVERTISED AND THE NEXT MEETING IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR MAY 22 AND THAT WOULD BE THE EVALUATION MEETING WHERE WILL REVIEW THE PROPOSAL SUBMITTED AND GET TO THE THREE RECOMMENDED FIRMS FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD.

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ITEM AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSION. >> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ESTABLISHMENT ITEM NUMBER 10.

THE ESTABLISHMENT OF COMMITTEE FOR THE SELECTION OF THE COUNTY AUDITOR. I DON'T SEE ANY CALLS YET.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? I SEE NONE. I SEE NO CALLS.

SO I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WITH NO ONE IN THE AWED WHYENS OR CALLING IN, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

NOW BACK TO THE BOARD. >> WILL BE HAPPY TO MAKE A

MOTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS FINE. IF THERE IS NO DISCUSSION, YOU CAN DO THAT. MAKE THE MOTION.

>> WE ARE HERE. MAY AS WELL MOVE THIS THING.

>> IF I MAY BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, FIRST WE NEED TO KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THE THREE BOARD MEMBERS IF THAT IS WHAT THE MOTION FOR AND NEED TO KNOW WHO THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE TO SERVE. AND THE OFFICERS ARE ALREADY IDENTIFIED BY THEIR STATION, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHO THOSE THREE BOARD MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE.

>> MISS LOCKLEAR. , ARE YOU SAYING THAT I MISSED

A STEP? >> NOT AT ALL.

>> THE WHOLE SKIPPING LUNCH. >> COMMISSIONER YOU WERE ONE STEP AHEAD. PWOBINGZ PWOBINGZ BECAUSE OF THIS FRIDAY AND WHO IS AVAILABLE.

DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATION FOR MEMBERSHIP?

SAME HERE. >> I RECOMMEND COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >> HOWEVER YOU RECOMMEND TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE WILL BE APPOINTED AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THE PROBLEM WITH ESTABLISHING ALTERNATES NOT AN AVAILABLE TIME FRAME TO SAY NO ONE COME AND NOTIFIED AN ALTERNATE TO BE PRESENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME ASK YOU AS FAR AS THE BOARD,

FOUR OR FIVE FOR QUORUM? >> THAT WILL BE ESTABLISHED WITH THE BYLAWS WHAT FRIDAY'S MEETINGS WOULD TO DO ESTABLISH THE BYLAWS AND FINALIZE THE RFPS TO BE ADVERTISED.

>> SOME PUT THEIR FINAL BOARD TO AVOID THE SCHEDULING CHALLENGE. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SCHEDULING CHALLENGES IN THAT SENSE FIRST MEETING SINCE THERE IS NO QUORUM. WHOEVER NEEDS TO BE PRESENT AND

GO TO THE MEETING TO WORK. >> ESPECIALLY THE FIRST MEETING WILL BE THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE IF THERE ARE COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT ARE NOT PRESENT WILL HAVE TO FACTOR WHAT IS THE BYLAW THE RULE FOR ESTABLISHING QUORUM AND WHAT THAT QUORUM DEFINITION MOVING ORDER AND IN THE NEXT STEP OF THE SES.

THE REASON THE MEETING IS SO CLOSE BECAUSE WE NEED AN AUDITOR IN PLACE. AND THAT'S WHY WE RECOMMENDED MORE THAN THE MINIMUM TO HAVE ENOUGH COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

>> SCHEDULED WERE MADE -- THIS IS OUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS. MAKES SENSE THAT THE FIRST MEETING -- NOT A QUORUM FOR THE FIRST MEETING AND MAKE SENSE TO PUT THE BOARD ON THERE AND WHOEVER ATTENDS THE MEETING TO HAVE SCHEDULING CONFLICT. AT THAT POINT THE BYLAWS WILL BE ESTABLISHED, QUORUM DETERMINED FOR FUTURE MEETING AND GO FROM THERE AND WHOEVER WILL PARTICIPATE AND WHO IS TO.

I KNOW CONTROVERSY WITH THE L LAW.

AND WE ARE IN THE FORMATIVE STAGES OF IT.

THIS KIND OF -- CAME VERY QUICKLY.

NOT ANYONE'S FAULT BUT CAME VERY QUICKLY.

I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS? I KNOW YOU ARE A SCHEDULING CONFLICT. I HAVE ONE.

YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE ONE. I THINK YOU HAVE ONE.

YOU DO NOT? I ACTUALLY HAVE IT ON MY

CALENDAR ALREADY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU ARE ALWAYS BUSY.

>> JEB SMITH: I AM BUSY BUT IF I AM CALLED TO SERVE, I WILL DO IT. WHATEVER IT TAKES.

>> I WOULD PUT THE WHOLE BOARD ON IT IN CASE THEY HAVE A

CONFLICT AMONGST US. >> PUTTING A LOT OF BURDEN ON COMMISSIONER DEAN AND COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: YOU AGREE.

I THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING THAT BECAUSE THE CHALLENGE YOU GOT TO COME UP WITH THE BYLAWS WHEN

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BUT THERE IS A COUPLE OF PIVOTAL DATES THAT ARE COMING UP THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED AND STATUTORY REQUIREMENT.

MY RECOMMENDATION IS GOING WITH YOU COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND THE ENTIRE BOARD BY NAME. THE FIRST MEETING WHO CAN ATTEND, WHOEVER CAN'T ATTEND. THE BYLAWS WILL BE FOR FUTURE MEETINGS AND GO FROM THERE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE.

ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION -- I DON'T WANT TO GET THE HABIT OF

MAKING A MOTION. >> HENRY DEAN: I WILL MAKE ONE CHANGE. MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 ESTABLISHING THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE 218. 391 AUDITOR SELECTION LAW AND THE FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF THE BOARD AUTHORIZE THE COMMITTEE TO ESTABLISH BY LAWS AND PERFORM THE RESPONSIBILITY

IN 218.391. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES. >> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT EVEN IF WE HAD IT OR NOT.

NO CALL INS, NO RUN HERE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY, IT PASSES 5-0.

AGAIN, WILL YOU SEND AN E-MAIL TO THE BOOKED MEMBERS FOR THE

DATE. >> THIS AFTERNOON AN EDGE THAT WILL GO OUT WITH INFORMATION ON WHAT THIS FIRST MEETING -- WE ARE SET TO ACCOMPLISH AND ANOTHER ONE TO ANNOUNCE THE

SECOND MEETING. >> JEB SMITH: MAY I ASK A QUESTION. IS THERE A TEMPLATE FOR THESE BYLAWS. ARE WE STARTING FROM SCRATCH?

IF YOU CAN, GET THAT AS WELL. >> WE HAVE A DRAFT FOR YOU READY TO GO. A QUICK REVIEW OF THE BYLAWS AND MAKE ANY CHANGES AND ADOPT THOSE AND GET INTO THE RFP.

[11. First Reading of St. Johns County Security Ordinance. This ordinance regulates the issuance of trespass warnings on County property. The County's current ordinances on this subject were enacted in 1980 and 1984 and are out of date. Copies of the 1980 and 1984 ordinances have been included in the back-up material for this item. This ordinance authorizes the issuance of trespass warnings, identifies prohibited conduct that may give rise to a trespass warning being issued, prohibits the possession of weapons in County buildings, sets forth requirements for entry into controlled access County buildings, and sets forth due process requirements for the issuance of trespass warnings, including an appeal process. County staff has worked with members of the Sheriff's Office in preparing this ordinance.]

FRIDAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? NOW TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER, REBECCA LAVIE, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THE FIRST READING OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SECURITY ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE REGULATES ORDINANCES THE ISSUES OF TRESPASS WARNINGS ON COUNTY PROPERTY.

GOVERNED BY 1980 AND 1984. IDENTIFY CERTAIN CONDUCT AS BEING PROHIBITED CONDUCT ON COUNTY PROPERTY AND AUTHORIZE THE SHARE OF PERSONS ENGAGING IN RELIEVE COUNTY PROPERTY; HOWEVER, THE ORDINANCES DO NOT CURRENTLY SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE FOR THE ISSUANCE OF TRESPASS WARNINGS.

THE PROHIBITED CONDUCT THAT IS DEFINED BY THESE ORDINANCES IS UP ON THE SLIDE AND I WILL JUST GIVE YOU A MOMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UNDER THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, I HAVE PROVIDED SOME PROPOSED CONDUCT AS BEING PROHIBITED UNDER THE NEW ORDINANCE. THIS HAS BEEN DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH COUNTY STAFF AND WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROPOSED TO YOU BACK IN 2018 AND THIS WILL PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE WHAT IS

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JUST TO NOTE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS.

IT WILL BE, OF COURSE, VIOLATION OF FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS AND COUNTY RULES AND POLICY OBSTRUCTING AGENCIES AND DISORDERLY CONDUCT, LOITERING.

THAT KIND THING AND TAKE A SLIDE UP TO LOOK AT THE FULL LIST. IN ADDITION THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES STANDARDS FOR ACCESS TO A CONTROLLED ACCESS BUILDINGS AND SECURED AREA. THE CONTROLLED ACCESS BUILDING WOULD BE A BUILDING SUCH AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WHERE THERE ARE SECURITY MEASURES IN PLACE PRIOR TO ENTERING THE BUILDING. SO WHAT THE ORDINANCE DOES IS PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AS FAR AS ACTIVATION OF SCANNING DEVICES, PROVIDING SECURITY PERSONNEL WITH SOME DISCRETION, FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE HAS A MEDICAL DEVICE OR OTHER REASON WHEN THEY CAN'T COME THROUGH THE SCANNING DEVICE.

THE ORDINANCE WILL PROVIDE GUIDANCE AND PROCEDURE IN THOSE TYPE OF SITUATIONS. IN ADDITION THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FORTRESS PASS WARNINGS FOR PEOPLE WHO ENGAGE IN PROHIBITED CONDUCT, AND THE ORDINANCE GIVES SOME CONSIDERATIONS IN THE ISSUANCE OF THE TRESPASS WARNING.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN DETERMINE GOING A PERSON IS TRESPASSED WILL CONSIDER THE GRAPH FEE OF THE VIJS AND REFUSAL FOR VERY WALL AND PREVIOUS VIOLATIONS THAT ARE COMMITTED AS WELL THE POTENTIAL HARM TO COUNTY EMPLOYEES, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR COUNTY PROPERTY. IN THE MAXIMUM DURATION OF ANY TRESPASS WOULD BE ONE YEAR. IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, DURING BRIEFINGS I RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM COMMISSIONERS SPECIFICALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE ISSUE OF WEAPONS AND FIREARMS ON COUNTY. I HAVE DRAFTED REVISIONS OF SECTION SIX OF CONTROLLED ACCESS FACILITIES THAT I AM GOING TO STICK ON THE OVERHEAD. AND SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED REVISION AND PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION AS FAR AS THAT GOES. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE REVISIONS WOULD BE TO A SECTIONS 6 H AND 6 I.

THE CONCERN EXPRESSED WAS THAT UNDER FLORIDA'S STATUTE FOR CONCEALED WEAPONS AND FIREARMS, THE STATUTE DOES INDEED REFERENCE CONCEALED WEAPONS AND CONCEALED FIREARMS AND NOT SOLELY CONCEALED FIREARMS. IN AN EFFORT TO ENSURE WE ARE NOT ENCROACHING ON ANY AREA PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW AS WELL AS THE LIBERTY INTERESTS OUR CITIZENS HAVE IN EXERCISING THESE RIGHTS, IT WAS PROPOSED THAT SECTION 6 H RELATED TO PERSONS AND IN POSITION OF A WEAPON THAT THAT SECTION BE REMOVED AND THE REFERENCE TO WEAPONS BE REMOVED TO SECTION 6 I WHICH WILL BECOME 6 H AND THEN STATE THAT ANY PERSON IN LAWFUL POSSESSION OF A CONCEALED WEAPON OR PERFORM, IN THAT INSTANCE, COUNTY WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 790.06, FLORIDA STATUTES IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE POWER POINT. THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR SOME DUE PROCESS, CONSIDERATIONS FOR PERSONS ISSUED TRESPASS WARNING, FOR EXAMPLE, AN APPEAL PROCESS THAT WILL BE BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT FOR THE ORDINANCE AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER

THEM. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS 2021 I ASSUME FROM PAGE 8.

>> THAT IS A TYPO. >> SAYS 18.

HOW LONG AGO WE ADDRESSED THAT BEFORE.

>> IT WOULD BE 2021. AND WE CAN FIX THAT FOR THE

SECOND READING. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

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>> THANK YOU. >> I ALSO, I AM VERY STAUNCH IN THIS ONE AND SOMETHING I HAD -- I AM VERY SENSITIVE TOO AND I WANT TO TAKE AND DRAW ATTENTION TO A VERY POSITIVE SIDE OF THIS SECTION 3D. THE BOARD RECOGNIZES AN INDIVIDUALLY PROTECTED LIBERTY ON COUNTY PROPERTIES A DESIGNATED FOR OFFICIAL COUNTY BUSINESS WHEN SUCH PROPERTY IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND I THINK WE BEST -- SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS EXTRAORDINARY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT AND ENSURE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL LIBERTIES.

AND I JUST WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO IT BECAUSE I WAS RECOMMENDING THIS CHANGE IN SECTION 6.

AND TO ME, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE AN OVERALL POINT BECAUSE EACH OF US VOWED TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, AND THAT CONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS SECOND AMENDMENT SAY A WELL REGULATED MILITIA IN THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INF INFRINGED.

IT IS NOT FIREARMS, IT IS ARMS, THAT INCLUDES WEAPONS.

1828 DICTIONARY OF NOEL WEBSTER SAY THIS CLOSE TO 1770, 1780, WEAPONS OF DEFENSE AND ARMORED DEFENSE AND PROTECTION OF THE BODY. I FEEL TIM PETITIONS PETITIONS I HAVE IT ALONG WITH FLORIDA STATUTE ALSO IN DEFENSE OF THE CONSTITUTION FOR WHICH WE ARE TO KEEP AND TO PROTECT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS RIGHT IS NOT INFRINGED UPON THAT WE INCLUDE WEAPONS AND FIREARMS AND WEAPON AND FIREARM IN SECTION 6H.

AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE, TOO, IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ FLORIDA STATUTE 790.0.6, IT IS VERY CLEAR ON WHERE YOU CAN CARRY AND WHERE YOU CAN NOT WITH A CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT. AND THE CONCEAL WEAPONS AND FIREARM PERMIT. WE SHOULDN'T BE MORE RESTRICTED THAN FLORIDA STATUTE. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I SUBSTANTIAL 1998 THE REASON OF THE ASK -- SUBSTANTIATE THE CHANGES. AND TO BRING THE CHANGES TO THE BOARD. IS WHY.

>> HIS LAVIE, THE QUESTION I HAVE THE SLEEPING PART OF THE ORDINANCE SHOULD INCLUDE OVERNIGHT PARKING.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARKING IN CERTAIN PARKS AND THEY ARE COMING BACK AND PUTTING THEIR TRASH IN THE COUNTY PARK. NO OVERNIGHT PARK ALSO HELP THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT -- I SEE HIM NODDING.

TO GET SOME OF THE PEOPLE OUT OF THE PARKS AT NIGHT.

>> WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. >> THANK YOU.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: TO LEGAL. >> MR. CHAIR, I -- I WANT TO THANK PARTICULARLY COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR HIGHLIGHTING HIS CONCERNS DURING THE BRIEFINGS AND, AGAIN, HIS -- HIS EXPERIENCE AND OUTLOOK AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL PROTECTION OF THE -- OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

JUST FOR THE LISTENING PUBLIC, YOU MAY HEAR FIREARM AND WEAPONS AND YOU MIGHT THINK A FIREARM IS A WEAPON IN THE STATUTE AND THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

THEY ARE ACTUALLY DEFINED SEPARATELY.

A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU -- YOU MIGHT THINK.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11.

ITEM 11. I SEE NO CALL-INS AND I SEE NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC HEAR IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU MR. VICE-CHAIR.

I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID.

THE FLORIDA STATUTE. IT WOULD BE WRONG FOR US TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE. WE HAVE LAWFULLY TO CARRY CONCEALED WEAPON AND FIREARMS. THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.

WE TOOK AN OATH TO DEPEND. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CHANGE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CH CHANGE. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: I WANT TO SAY THIS AND SAY THIS PUBLICLY THAT WE ARE SEEING A REAL SIGNIFICANT ADDRESS TO THIS FEDERALLY AND INFRINGEMENT UPON THIS RIGHT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DUTIFUL CRITICALLY FOCUSSED ON TO BE PROTECTED OF AND I TAKE IT EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY THAT SHOULD NOT BE INFRINGED AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE FIGHT AND

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OUR COMMUNITY HAS GRAVE CONCERNS OVER IT AT LEAST SOME MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY DO AND SOMETHING THAT IS EXTRAORDINARY SENSITIVE RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO OUR PART TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT OUR RI RIGHTS.

I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

ABSOLUTELY. >> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MISS

LAVIE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: FEEDBACK.

[12. Request to Release Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals Lien on 150 Duval Street. On April 23, 2018, the St. Johns County Board of Adjustments and Appeals entered a Lien Order (attached) in the amount of $13,204.62 for the abatement of the structure at 150 Duval Street in St. Johns County (see map attached), which was recorded as a lien against the property. The total amount of the lien, including principal and interest, is estimated to be $16,370.88 as of April 20, 2021. The County has recently been requested by a proposed purchaser of the property to accept $2,000 in full satisfaction of the lien. The purchaser advises that he invests and develops properties in and around opportunity zones in St. Johns County and Putnam County and intends to improve property values and quality of life in disadvantaged communities. See attached emails for the purchaser's statement in support of this request. Pursuant to section 169.09(3), Florida Statutes, the Board is vested with the sole authority to reduce or satisfy code enforcement liens and may approve or reject the request here.]

>> NO MOTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO TO AGENDA

ITEM NUMBER 12. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BRADLEY BULTHUIS. ITEM NUMBER 12 A LIEN, RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN. MY OFFICE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM A POTENTIAL PURCHASER TO RELEASE A LIEN ON 150 DUVAL STREET IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE LIEN HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR THREE YEARS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION TO ABATE A UNSAFE STRUCTURE AT THAT PROPERTY.

IT WAS BY FIRE AND THE COST AND LIEN AMOUNT AT THE TIME OVER $13,000 WITH INTEREST. IT WILL BE JUST OVER $16,000.

BY STATUTE, THE LIEN WOULD EXPIRE IN 2038.

THE REQUESTER HAS REQUESTED TO PAY $2,000 TOWARD THAT AMOUNT.

AND IN EXCHANGE FOR A FULL SATISFACTION AND HAS EXPRESSED THE BASIS FOR THAT BEING THAT HE IS AN INVESTOR IN PROPERTIES IN DISADVANTAGED AREAS AND BELIEVES THAT THIS WOULD FURTHER THE COMMUNITY AND PROPERTY VALUES BY GETTING THE PROPERTY BACK ON THE TAX ROLES. THE ONLY INFORMING FROM THE REQUESTER IS SUBMITTED WITH THE PACKET.

I REACHED OUT TO HIM TO SEEK MORE INFORMATION AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE AND INDICATED THAT PLAN TO ATTEND THE MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS ON THE PHONE. AND PROVIDED HIM WITH INSTRUCTIONS OF HOW TO PARTICIPATE BY PHONE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHAT IS IN THE PACKET. BY STATUTE THIS BOARD IS THE ONLY BODY TO AUTHORIZE THE LIEN SHORT OF FULL PAYMENT WHICH IS WHY WE PRESENTED IT TO YOU ALL AS A -- AS A SIDE NOTE, THE BOARD HAS AUTHORIZED OUR OFFICE TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE OF PUT INTO PLACE OF PROCEDURE FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AND HOPE TO HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION SOON. BUT THAT IS ALL ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. AND I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS TO THE EXTENT I CAN ANSWER THEM.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WISH MR. POPEVICH WAS HERE BECAUSE ASKING FOR A 80% DISCOUNT IS A HECK OF AN ASK.

YOU CAN ASK WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUT MAYBE A NEGOTIATING TACTIC. HE IS GOING BIG, AND UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SALES PRICE.

WHEN HE IS PURCHASING THE PROPERTY.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE SEEN REQUESTS IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY WHERE THE SALES PRICE IS FAIRLY LOW SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY MAYBE THE REQUEST -- PAYOFF IS VERY LOW AND NOT A LOT OF PROCEED FROM THE SALE. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO PROVIDE YOU ABOUT WHAT HE IS PAYING.

SO, AGAIN, ANOTHER WHEREIN WHY WE ARE HAMPERED IN THIS

CONSIDERATION. >> YOU TOUCHED ON THIS, MR. B ULTHUIS. HE IS TRYING TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE IN DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES A BROAD AND GENERAL STATEMENT, SO WITHOUT A LOT OF DETAIL TO SUPPORT HOW HE IS GOING TO HELP DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND PROPERTY VA VALUES, I JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS GIVING 88% DISCOUNT WITHOUT MR. P POPOVICH HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF

MY QUESTIONS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GO TO

COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT. >> JEB SMITH: I WANT TO GET THIS CORRECT, THE INVOICE FOR 12 420.

AND THE INTEREST BY CONSTRUCTION OF THE FLORIDA ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS AND EQUAL TO $13,20.62.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN -- THROUGH THE CHAIR, MR. SMITH, A 10% ADMINISTRATIVE COST THAT COVERS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT COSTS.

AND THAT IS WHERE THAT ADDITIONAL BEYOND THE $12,000

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CURRENT VALUE OF THE LIEN. >> JEB SMITH: WE ACTUALLY PAID OUT OF POCKET $12,04.20 OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO CLEAN UP THIS PROPERTY. I DID LOOK UP THE LAND VALUE AS ASSESSED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER 17,622.

SO TO ME THIS VALUE ACCORDING TO -- IS STILL BELOW WHAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS ASSESSED AS WELL.

TO SEE THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT NOTE TO TAKE IN.

AND, YOU KNOW, ALSO, -- DO WE HAVE AN AERIAL OF THIS?

AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH? >> THERE IS IN THE POCKET.

NOT ONE WITH THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION, BUT SHOULD BE TOWARD THE END OF YOUR AGENDA PACKET.

AN AERIAL. >> JEB SMITH: COULD YOU PUT IT

UP FLORIDA FOR ME? >> SURE.

>> IT IS FAIRLY ZOOMED IN, MR. SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: NO, YOU ARE F FINE.

YOU ARE FINE. THIS IS -- I ASSUME THIS IS AN UNIMPROVED RIGHT-OF-WAY HERE, CORRECT? I AM POINTING A THE A DIFFERENT ONE OVER HERE, BRADLEY.

ON THE EAST WALL. >> RIGHT.

I BELIEVE THAT IS RIGHT. >> ANYBODY KNOW WHO OWNS THAT

PROPERTY RIGHT THERE? >> I DON'T.

>> JEB SMITH: THE PROPERTY APPRAISER -- THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEB SITE IS CORRECT, IT IS OWNED BY ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. >> THE STORMWATER TO THE EAST IS COUNTY OWNED. YOU MAY BE RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEB SMITH: IF IT IS CORRECT AND ACCURATE, WE WOULD HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THIS IS -- THIS IS UNIMPROVED.

WE OWN THIS PROPERTY -- THE TAXPAYERS OWN THIS PROPERTY HERE AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WITH VALUE.

MY POINT IS THIS THAT IT IS A VERY INTERESTING SKR SCENARIO AND I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS ON THE PROPERTY AND I INTEND TO VOTE AGAINST THIS BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE ACCESS AND BEHIND IT AS WELL.

AND JUST INTERESTING NOTES THAT I THINK IS REALLY TO BRING TO

THE BOARD'S ATTENTION. >> MAYBE NOT EASY TO SEE ON THE SCREEN BUT I HAVE OUTLINED THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE.

YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THIS AREA.

>> JEB SMITH: 151. I MESSED UP.

THIS ONE LOOKED EMPTY. BUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, YES,

SIR. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY CAME TO OWN THAT. TAX DEED OR FAILURE TO PURCHASE THAT TAX DEED SALE. BUT ONE THING I WILL NOTE, THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE BACK TAXES OWED ON THIS AS WELL AND WELLER INDICATED WOULD PAY THESE OFF WITH THE SALE AND

STILL OUTSTANDING AS OF TODAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHY DON'T

WE GO TO COMMISSIONER. >> HENRY DEAN: I AM READY FOR

A MOTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR MOTION AND THEN DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS LIEN ON 15 DUE VALUE STREET.

>> JEB SMITH: SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND IS SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COMMIT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12.

PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 12. I DON'T SEE ANY CALLS.

I DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE AUDIENCE.

THIS SHOULD CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED BAA G BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I AM I ALSO WANT TO HELP DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES AND I HOPE MR. POPOVICH WAS HEAR TO

[13. Consider appointment of a citizen member to the Value Adjustment Board. The purpose of the Value Adjustment Board (VAB) is to hear appeals regarding property value assessments, denied exemptions or classifications, ad valorem tax deferrals, portability decisions, and change of ownership or control. Florida Statue 194.015 requires a citizen member to be appointed by the Board of County Commissioners to the Value Adjustment Board. This citizen member must own homestead property within the county and may not be a member or an employee of any taxing authority, and may not be a person who represents property owners in any administrative or judicial review of property taxes. Currently there is one (1) vacancy on the Value Adjustment Board. This vacancy is due to the resignation of Ms. Heather Allen who was appointed as the citizen member to the Value Adjustment Board. This vacancy was advertised from September 15, 2020 through March 23, 2021. Please find attached for your review and consideration three (3) applications: Mario Caycedo - Dist.2, Bill McClure - Dist.3, and Thomas Walsh - Dist.5. All three applicants own homestead property in St. Johns County.]

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY CAM SMITH. PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. >>> NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO.

LET'S SEE HERE. ITEM 13.

YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMI COMMISSIONER, MELISSA LUNLD QUIZ, ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. APPOINTMENT OF A CITIZEN MEMBER TO THE VALUE ADJUSTENT BOARD. THE PURPOSE IS TO HEAR APPEALS

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FLORIDA STATUTE 194.015, REQUIRES CITIZEN MEMBER AND MUST OWN HOMESTEAD AND MAY NOT BE PART OF A TAXING AUTHORITY AND REPRESENT PROPERTY OWNERS IN ADMINISTRATIVE OR JUDICIAL REVIEW OF PROPERTY TAXES. THERE IS ONE VACANCY DUE TO THE REST SIGNIFICANCE NATION OF MISS HEATHER A ALLEN.

SHE HAS BEEN SERVING ON IN BOARD SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME WHEN I STARTED IN 2003. WITH THAT SAID WE DID ADVERTISE THIS FROM SEPTEMBER 15 THERE , 2020 THROUGH MARCH 23, 2021.

ATTACHED ARE THREE APPLI APPLICATIONS, AND ALL THREE ARE OWNERS OF THE HOMESTEAD PROPERTY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MISS LUNDQUIST.

BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: NOW OPEN UP AGENDA NUMBER ITEM 13 FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING -- DON'T SEE ANY ANYBODY ON THE PHONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING FORWARD. I WOULD RECOMMEND PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. SMITH. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.

BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY MOTIONS?

COME SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: I WANT TO SAY THAT I SERVED ON THIS PARTICULAR BOARD SINCE I WAS ELECTED. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MISS ALLEN FOR HER CONTRIBUTION AND SHE IS EXTRAORDINARY INTELLIGENT AND PROVIDES GRADE INSIGHT AND A VERY CONSISTENT FAITHFUL BOARD MEMBER TO COME AND IF YOU COULD RELATE TO HER, THAT WOULD B A BLESSING. THANK YOU.

SHE WILL BE MISSED. I WENT THROUGH THESE.

THREE ACTIONS AND ALL VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE APPLICATIONS, BUT I HAVE A PREV RANCE WITH REGARD -- I WOULD LIKE THE MOTION TO APPOINT MARIO CAYCEDO TO THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AS A ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMUNITY MEMBER.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: SECOND THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COME WHITEHURST. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER

DISCUSSION? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MR. CHAIRMAN I DID WANT TO SAY TO ECHO COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE HAVE AN EX-COMMISSIONER THOMAS WALSH SERVED A MIRABLY IN CHICAGO IN ONE OF THE DEADLIEST DISTRICTS IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I APPRECIATE MR. WALSH CONTINUING TO APPLY FOR THESE BOARDS.

I THINK HE COULD BE A VALUABLE RESOURCEINGS IN THE FUTURE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD.

WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH

[14. Consider appointments to the Library Advisory Board. Currently there are two (2) vacancies on the Library Advisory Board. These vacancies are both due to resignations. The vacancies were advertised for a four-week span of December 3, 2020 through January 4, 2021. Please find attached for your review and consideration a recommendation letter from the Library Advisory Board and three (3) applications: Lynda Follenweider - Dist.1, Jessica Hayes - Dist.4, and Rebecca Taus - Dist.1.]

WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE. GENTLEMEN, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-0. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE INTO

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14. >> YES, COMMISSIONERS, ITEM NUMBER 14 IS MINE TO PRESENT. THAT ITEM IS APPOINTMENTS TO -- CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD.

TWO VACANCIES. THEY ARE DUE TO RIG SIGNIFICANCE NATION. FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN FROM DECEMBER 3, 2020 THROUGH JANUARY 4, 2021.

WE RECEIVED THREE APPLICATIONS DURING THAT I'M TERD AND ATTACHED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ARE THOSE THREE APPLICATIONS AND A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. I WANT TO POINT OUT THESE TWO CURRENT TIDEMENTS BLEACH A DISTRICT ONE SEAT AND AN AT-LARGE SEAT COME SEPTEMBER IS WHEN THESE TERMS ARE DUE.

WE WILL HAVE TWO OTHERS WHICH WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER.

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SO THOSE ARE CURRENTLY -- THE OTHERS ARE CURRENTLY BEING ADVERTISED AND WILL BE SEEKING APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE AND BRINGING THOSE TO YOU AT A LATER DATE CLOSER TO THE SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME. BLOCKER BLOCK OKAY, THANK YOU.

WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 13.

ITEM 13? VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD.

NO CALL-INS AND NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT WILL CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT THE CALL-IN STILL WORKS AS FAR AS WE KNOW?

>> HENRY DEAN: WE CAN START OVER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 -- I AM SORRY NUMBER 14. TWO VACANCIES.

I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE HABIT -- I WANT TO COMMENT ON A ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, JESSICA HHAYES, SHE IS A NEIGHBOR OF MINE. HAS A DEGREE.

A MASTER'S DEGREE IN LIBRARY SCIENCE.

SHE IS ONE THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT, GREAT FIT.

SO I ACTUALLY -- I WILL ACTUALLY BE MAKING A MOTION TO HAVE HER AS ONE OF THE POSITIONS.

SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT UNLESS THERE IS DISCUSSION, I WILL DO THAT. MAKE MOTION TO APPOINT JESSICA HP HA ES TO EXPIRE FEBRUARY 2022.

>> COMMISSION FERRIC POINT OUT AND WANT TO NOTE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE DISTRICT 1 SEAT. AND THE OTHER ONE THAT THE EXPIRATION TERM WAS AN AT LARGE SEAT.

SO IT IS FINE. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO.

I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT MOTION FOR AT-LARGE SEAT.

>> HENRY DEAN: CAN WE CHANGE THE DATE OF THE AT-LARGE TO NOT TURN IT AROUND AND DO IT AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER?

>> YES, WOULD YOU HAVE TO WAIVE YOUR RULE AND I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YOU HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE AND MAKE IT FOR LONGER THAN THE EXPIRED TERM AND MAKE A MOTION

TO REINSTATE THAT RULE. >> AND COMMISSIONERS WISH TO DO THAT YOU NEED TO WAIVE.203 A WHICH PROVIDES FOR APPOINTMENTS FOR TWO-YEAR TE TERMS.

>> BOARD RULED 2.203 A. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SORRY I

CAN'T HEAR.1 >> 203 A.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GOTCHA. >> THE MOTION TO SUSPEND BBC

RULE. >> COULDN'T SAID IT BETTER

MYSELF. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: DO THIS PROCEDURALLY. I WILL WITHDRAW MY ORIGINAL MOTION AND WELCOME COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S MOTION.

>> PAUL WALDRON: SO MOVED. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A SECOND TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON'S MOTION.

A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. WE WILL HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I DO SEE A CALL WAITING BY THE WAY.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC RULE.

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NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0.

I WILL GO BACK TO MY MOTION AND THIS WILL BE TO AT-LARGE SEAT.

A MOTION TO APPOINT JESSICA HAYES FOR THE LIBRARY ADVISORY

BOARD FOR A TERM TO EXPIRE. >> SEPTEMBER 30, 2025.

FOR HER TO VISIT OUT THE CURRENT EXPIRED TERM AND HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FOUR-YEAR TERM, THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO MOVED DEAN DEAN SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. >> COMMISSIONERS, YOU WOULD NEED TO MOVE REINSTATE RULE 2.203A.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY DISCUSSION?

PLEASE VOTE. >> THAT IS MINISTERIAL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, BACK TO THE VACANCY FOR

DISTRICT ONE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOMENT TO APPOINT REBECCA TAU FOR A PARTIAL TERM TO BE EXPIRED SEPTEMBER 30, 2022.

>> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

A SECOND? >> HENRY DEAN: SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND

[15. Consider an appointment to the Cultural Resource Review Board. Currently there is one (1) vacancy on the Cultural Resource Review Board. This vacancy is due to an expired term. The vacancy was advertised for a four-week span of October 13, 2020 through November 10, 2020. Appointees shall be qualified through the demonstration of special interest, experience or education in the preservation of cultural resources and, when possible, have practical and professional experience in one or more of the following fields: archaeology, architecture or architectural history, curation or conservation, planning, professional engineering, real estate, history, historic preservation, or related disciplines. Please find attached for your review and consideration a letter noting the recommendation of the Cultural Resource Review Board and two applications (Nick Jonihakis - District 1 and Susan Schjelderup - District 4). Please note that the CRRB reviewed a third application, that of Mr. Erick Saks; however, Mr. Saks was appointed to the Housing Finance Authority on February 16, 2021, therefore his application was removed from consideration due to the triggering of the prohibition on dual office holding.]

CONGRATULATIONS, LADIES. >> JUST A BALANCED THING, MR. CHAIRMAN. ONE SEMINOLE, AND ONE GATOR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ALL RIGHT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15.

>> ITEM NUMBER 15 MY PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT TO YOU AS WELL.

CONSIDER APPOINTMENT TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD.

THERE IS A SAY CAN TEE DUE TO AN EXPIRED TERM.

WE TIES THE WITH A FOUR-WEEK SPAN OCTOBER 13, 2020 AND NOVEMBER 10, 2020. APPOINTEES SHALL BE QUALIFIED THROUGH THE DEMOCRAT RATION OF SPECIAL INTERESTS EXPERIENCE OR EDUCATION IN THE PRESERVATION OF CULTURAL RESOURCES HAVE PRACTICAL AND PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN ONE MORE OR OF THE FOLLOWING FIELDS. ARCHAEOLOGY, ARCHITECTURE, ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY, CURATION OR CONSERVATION, PLANNING PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING, REAL ESTATE, HISTORY HISTORIC PRESS VAGUE AND RELATED DISCIPLINES AND ATTACHED FOR YOUR REVIEW IS IS THEER WILL NOTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. WE RECEIVED ANA THIRD AMATION FROM MR. ERI CK S AKS. THEREFORE HIS ACTION WAS REMOVED FROM CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE TRIGGERING OF THE PROHIBITION OF THE DUAL OFFICE HOLDING.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 15, THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD. JUST CONFIRM I AM SEEING ONE SPEAKER WAITING ON CALL, BUT APPARENTLY NOT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO RUNS THE SCREEN BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CALLS RIGHT NOW. SO NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION.

A MOTION TO APPOINT NICK JONIHAKIS TO THE CULTURAL RESOURCE REVIEW BOARD FOR THE FULL TERM TO EXPIRE APRIL 20,

2025. >> JEB SMITH: SECOND.

PWHOBINGZ WLOBINGZ A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE? PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

[Public Comment]

NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMISSIONER REPORTS. THAT WILL BE GENERAL PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL OPEN UP OUR MEETING FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

THIS WILL BE ON ANY ITEM THAT YOU SPEAK ABOUT FOR THREE MINUTES. SO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT IS NOW OPEN. I THINK WE HAVE A CALL.

PLEASE GO AHEAD. >>.

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AND THERE WAS A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU DISCUSSED AFTERWARDS AND YOU KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU ARE NEVER CONSISTENT. MOST OF THE TIME YOU CALL FOR A MOTION AND THEN YOU OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, YOU REALLY DIDN'T.

IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT, THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT.

ANYWAY, I AM GLAD THERE WILL BE A LOT OF OPENNESS IN THE HIRING OF A COUNTY ATTORNEY. NUMBER TWO, LAST WEEK WHEN WE -- WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT -- LAST MEETING, TWO WEEKS AGO, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEVER CAME UP WITH, WHEN YOU WERE COMING UP WITH A PRICE OF 240 -- $240,000 VERSUS $210,000.

WELL, NOWHERE IN THAT DISCUSSION WAS WHAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PAYMENT.

AND I KNOW -- THE CONVERSATION OF PAYMENT.

AFFORDABLE HOUSING REALISTICALLY NOW COULD BE $ $265,000 MIGHT BE $275,000 IF YOU GO BY AN INTEREST RATE.

AND A LOT OF FACTORS INVOLVED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS, UNLESS I MISSED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A CUT OUT IN THE TAPE. UNLESS I MISSED IT I NEVER HEARD ANYBODY DISCUSS ANY PAYMENTS OR ANYTHING.

BY JUST WOUND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT -- INSTEAD OF WHAT REALLY IS AFFORDABLE FOR THE WAGES MADE HERE AND EVERYTHING. BUT IT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION THAT PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOO. IT IS REALLY, KIND OF -- I WALKED AWAY AFTER THAT ONE AND I SAID TO MYSELF, THIS IS A MESS, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE YOU WANT TO KIND OF HELP YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO HELP. AND THEN I ALSO HEARD, LIKE, FIRE FIGHTERS, TEACHERS AND SHERIFF.

WELL, OF COURSE. YEAH, WE WANT TO HELP EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW. I DON'T JUST WANT TO HELP GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES, I WANT TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE M MIDMANAGEMENT, MID MANAGERS, PRIVATE SECTOR PEOPLE.

I KNOW IT IS A CRAZY CONCEPT AND THAT'S WHO I AM LOOKING FOR MORE THAN JUST GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THEM. THEY ARE PAID PRETTY GOOD.

THE POLICE AND THE SHERIFF AND FIRE FIGHTERS.

THEY GET A CHANCE TO MAKE OPPORTUNITIES.

THE WEAKNESSES IS THE TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST SO DISRESPECTED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

IT IS A SHAME. ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. IT IS A GOOD MEETING.

I DIDN'T CALL IN MUCH BECAUSE WASN'T MUCH.

AND LAST, THE GENTLEMAN -- WHEN ED SLAVIN CALLED UP, HE WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE HOUSING. HE WAS ONLY SITING FEDERAL LAW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD TIME.

HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, TOM.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, SIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: ANY OTHER CALL-INS? CALL-INS? PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ED SLAVIN BOX 3084, EDSLAVIN.COM.

WE NEED COULD CREATE ST. JOHNS COUNTY A FIRST AMENDMENT ZONE AND WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE INTERRUPTION OF SPEAKERS OF MEETINGS AND I WAS TALKING OF FAIR HOUSING FUNDAMENTAL LAW OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND YOU SWORE AN OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. LET ME COMMEND ON THE ACTION OF HIRING THE NEXT COUNTY ATT ATTORNEY.

I APPRECIATE THAT DISCUSSION AND SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD. MR. REYNOLDS HAD A VALID CONCERN AND THAT IS WHEN AN ISSUE IS KEYED UP AND THERE IS A MOTION MADE AND DISCUSSION BY THE BOOR, I THINK THAT IS A GOOD TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BUT TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT -- AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE BITE AT THAT APPLE? SOMETIMES IT IS TOUGH TO COMMENT INTELLIGENTLY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE THINKING.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS THAT OCCUR WITH DEVELOPERS, GIVEN. I MEAN BASICALLY YOU HAVE SOLD THEM THE COUNTY. AND WHEN THERE IS A DEVELOPER, A MOUTHPIECE AT THAT MICR MICROPHONE.

FIRST OF ALL, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS THROUGH THE CHAIR. WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET SWORN ANSWERS THROUGH THE CH CHAIR.

WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO CROSS-EXAMINE AND TAKE THE EX-PARTE DISCLOSURES AND USE THEM TO COMMENT INTEL JECHBTLY.

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AND YOU DON'T CARE WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.

SEVERAL POINTS WHEN I ASKED YOU TO ASK THE QUESTIONS OF SOME OF THE PRESENTERS AND YOU DIDN'T ASK ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND I FIND A LACK OF INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY AT BEST WHEN YOU PLEASE REQUEST THE DEVELOPER TO DISCLOSE THE NAMES OF THE INVESTORS. AND YOU WILL NEVER DO.

WHY NOT? WHY CAN'T WE KNOW THAT? WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW. WE SHOULD DECLARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY A FIRST AMENDMENT ZONE JUSTICE LIKE THE SECOND AMENDMENT ZONE AND EVERYTHING IN OUR RULES NEED TO BE EXAMINED WITH A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH AN EYE.

I MEAN, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY. MY ANCESTORS, YOUR ANCESTORS.

MY DAD GOT SHRAPNEL IN THE KNEE IN NORMANDY FOR THIS COUNTRY.

AD UNPATRIOTIC TO CUT PEOPLE OFF AND INTERRUPT THEM.

AND WHEN WE ASK A QUESTION, YOU JUST SIT THERE AND YOU DON'T EVEN ANSWER IT? I MEAN, AND THIS IS EARTH DAY.

WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE FOR EARTH DAY AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THE ST. AUGUSTINE HISTORICAL PARK ON THE AGENDA AND FORWARD THINKING OF HOW TO ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND CIVIL RIGHTS INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERY BLOODY ORDINANCE UP FOR YOU ALL IS WRITTEN BY A DEVELOPER AND NOW NOT EVEN A COUNTY STAFF PRESENTATION HARDLY EVER ON WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.

YOU ARE GIVING THE KEYS TO THE COUNTY TO A KID AND HIS DEVELOPER FRIEND AND IT IS NOT WORKING AS WELL.

WE NEED TO YOU A COUNTY ADMINISTER IT AND A NEW COUNTY

ATTORNEY AND I THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

[Commissioners’ Reports]

I THINK THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

WITH GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED, WE WILL GO INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. START WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT. WE HAD A -- WE RECEIVED A RECENT AMOUNT OF PRECIPITATION THIS WEEKEND ABOUT THREE TO FIVE INCH IN MOST PLACES OVER THE COUNTY.

IT BECAME FAIRLY EASY AND IT WASN'T A DEVASTATING RAIN.

NICE RAIN. POTATO HARVEST AND FROM THE AGRICULTURAL AREA. PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH TRACTORS AND EQUIPMENT MOVING CROPS UP AND DOWN THE ROADS.

WE HAD A. JUST TIME TO FILE UP AND PUT POTATOES IN HOT GREASE AND I LOVE THIS TIME OF YEAR FRESH DUG POTATOES TO BE MADE INTO FRENCH FRIES.

AND MANY OF OUR CROPS ARE WINDING DOWN FINISHED BETWEEN THE SECOND WEEK OF MAY. CORN LOOKS GOOD.

FUTURES ARE STOUT. I HAVE HEARD OF $6 BUSHEL OF CORN IN AND RAIN HAS PICKED IT UP IN HASTINGS AND GOOD.

SOD IS READY AND MOVING. CATTLE PRICES ARE ABOVE AVERAGE AND I HAVE SEEN AND CONSUMED SOUTH FLORIDA SWEET CORN AND WATERMELON. WATER MELEN IN AREAS AS WELL.

I WILL SAY SUMMER IS HERE. CICADAS ARE SINGING IN THE EVENING. MOCKINGBIRDS AND THE CHUCK WILL ACE WIDOW AND WANT EVERYONE TO STOP, LISTEN, LOOK AND OBSERVE.

MOST FOLKS DON'T OBSERVE ONE THING.

AND THE STANDARD AND MY END OF THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE CULVERT. AND FOR THE CULTURE OPERATIONS SOME OF THE FEATURES ARE TAKEN OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE OF MAINTENANCE PRACTICES FOR THE COUNTY AND GRADING HERBICIDE AND TAKEN FOR PREVIOUS LANDOWNER AND EXISTING LANDOWNERS. NEVERTHELESS, A RECENT CULVERT FAILED AND COLLAPSED BECAUSE OF ITS AGE.

IT WAS REMOVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN REPLACED WITH A 16-INCH BY 20-FOOT CULVERT AND THE LATEST PRICES BETWEEN $479 AND $523.

AND HOWEVER THE MOST RECENT ST. JOHNS COUNTY STANDARDS WILL COST AROUND $5,000. THE REASON IS IT HAS TO BE CONCRETED AND INSPECTED. AND YOU COUPLE THIS WITH THE -- AND AND EACH OF THESE CULVERTS ARE OVER 40 YEARS OLD AND IN

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>> ABSOLUTELY. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

SO IF WE CAN -- AND I AM GOING MAY BE A SENSE OF URGENCY.

ONE OF MY. A RANGE OF 30 TO 60 DAYS AND FOCUS HAS MOVED ON. CAN WE BRING THAT BACK IN THE

NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS. >> YES, GET TO OUR CHIEF ENGINEER AND HAVE THEM AVAILABLE TO COMMISSIONER SMITH AND HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED WITH THE POLICY CHANGE PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD AND ALLOWING THEM TO START THAT DIALOGUE.

I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF DIALOGUE BUT TO FURTHER THAT DIALOGUE AND BRING BACK A POLICY CONSIDERATION FOR THE BOARD. 30 TO 60 DAYS IF NOT WITHIN 30 TO 60 DAYS, I WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROGRESS BEING MADE.

>> WHEN THAT COMES BACK PUBLIC COMMENT ON POTENTIALAGE.

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WAS GIVEN THIS QUOTE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST CAME ON TO THE COMMISSION AND FRAMED ON MY WALL IN MY OFFICE AND BY FORMER SENATOR MEL MARTINEZ AND I WANTED TO READ IT THIS AFTERNOON AND A VERY PERTINENT THING AND SOMETHING I WANTED TO SHARE. AS I GO THROUGH LIFE, SENATOR MARTINEZ SAYS, I STILL FIND THAT RETURNING TO PRAYER AND RELYING ON MY FAITH IS THE WAY TO GET THROUGH THE DIFFICULT MOMENTS WHEN IT SEEMS EVERYTHING IS GOING WRONG.

THE TIME SPENT IN GOVERNMENT SERVICE IS NOT A TIME FOR SHELVING THE FATE THAT LED US THROUGH LIFE.

I BELIEVE ITS THE TIME WHEN ALL THE MORE WE MUST BE A WITNESS TO OUR FAITH SO THAT OTHERS MAY FIND SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGE THE THROUGH IT. AND WE DO THAT BY THE EXAMPLE WE SET AND THE WAY WE LEAD OUR LIVES.

IN OUR FAITH WE FIND STRENGTH AND PRAYERS WE FIND COMFORT.

THE PRESIDENT AND THE ENTIRE CABINET IS HUMBLE AND GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRAYERS AND WE FEEL YOUR PRAYERS AND ARE SUPPORTED IN STRENGTHEN BY THEM, FORMER SENATOR MEL MARTINEZ.

WITH THAT, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: LET ME FIRST SAY THAT MEL MARTINEZ PROBABLY WHEN I WAS IN LAW SCHOOL THE BEST BASEBALL PLAYER IN LAW SCHOOL.

HE WAS QUITE THE PLAYER. HE WAS ON MY INTRAMURAL TEAM AND WE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME TOGETHER.

EACH OF US I THINK RECEIVED A MEMO ON APRIL 9 FROM THE DIETRICH OF THE NUMBER OF -- THAT THEY RECEIVED INDIVIDUALS FRUSTRATED WITH TRAFFIC, CONGESTION RAPID GROWTH, ETC, AND IN THE END REQUESTED WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPEN FORUM AT A FUTURE COMMISSIONERS MEETING AND ASK HOW TO BE ARRANGED.

I SENT HER BACK A NOTE THAT THERE IS A VERSION OF THAT AND WENT INTO A DISCUSSION HOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

HE WROTE ME BACK ON APRIL 13 AND SAID WE WANT TO APPROACH THAT AS A SEPARATE MEETING TO ORGANIZE A SMALL GROUP OF NEIGHBORS. HER NOTE AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON AS WELL. HER WORDS NOT MINE.

MY POINT IS WANTED TO BRING THIS UP TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF LIMITED FORUM WORK SHOP IF THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW AND MOST OF US ARE QUITE BUSY AND TO FIT IN AS AN ADDITIONAL DAY AND MIGHT WANT TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE -- WHERE WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN FOR HALF AN HOUR MAYBE AT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMISSION MEETING AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACCOMMODATE HER AND HER NEIGHBORS AS A GROUP.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT DOES.

I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN CORRESPONDENT AND SAID WE CAN MEET ONE ON ONE AND THE STAFF CAN MAKE THOSE SEQUENTIALLY TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH THEIR TIME AND THEY CAN SPEND AND BE VERY OPEN WITH EACH OF US AND WE CAN BE OPEN WITH THEM TOO.

SO THE BEST WAY I APPROACHED IT WITH HER AND THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE I KNOW SHE WANTED TO DO

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NONETHELESS. I DON'T MIND MEETING WITH THEM ONE BY ONE. I CAN MEET WITH THEM OR HERE AS WELL OR DO SOMETHING COLLECTIVELY.

>> I AM HAPPY TO DO ONE ON ONE IF EVERYBODY ELSE DID.

IF WE CAN ADJUST OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL SCHEDULES IF YOU SO CHOOSE. THIS IS MORE OF A SOUTH COUNTY ISSUE. I MEAN --

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I AGREE, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.

MISS LUNDQUIST IF YOU CAN COORDINATE.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DEAN TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE MEETING THAT WORKS WITH THEIR SCHEDULE AT TIMES WE DO THAT AND THEY COME IN AND WE MEET WITH THEM ONE AT A TIME AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ALLOW ENOUGH TIME WHERE THEY CAN FEEL THEY CAN COME IN AND BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.

THAT MAY BE MORE FRUITFUL THAN HAVING AN OPEN DISCUSSION IF THEY TO COME WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND ARRANGE A TIME.

THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION AND SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH, WALDRON, DEAN AND WHITEHURST.

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A WORKSHOP ON GROWTH OR ANY OF OUR ISSUES, WE DISCUSS THEM HERE AND THERE AS WE ARE MEETING BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A WORKSHOP IN THE TIME YOU AND I HAVE BEEN ELECTED UNLESS YOU HAD IT. IT MAY BE GOOD TO HAVE ONE AND GIVE EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US WHAT THEY FEEL FOR BOTH SIDE. AND WE HAVE ISSUES AND NO YOU GOT. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO SOLVE IT. GOOD WOULD WORK WITH THAT WITH PEOPLE AND PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.

TOWN IS BUSY. THE COUNTY IS GROWING FASTER THAN WE EVER HAD. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE -- HOUSES ARE SELLING IN SIX DAYS APARTMENTS NOT TO BE FOUND.

IT IS VERY BUSY RIGHT NOW. BUT IF WOULD BE -- I DON'T MIND MEETING WITH THEM FOR A WHILE. I HAVE SPOKEN THAT THAT ASSOCIATION BEFORE YEARS AGO AND I DON'T MIND SPEAKING TO THEM. I HAD ONE AT THE LIBRARY.

>> WELL, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF HAVING SOME SORT OF A W WORKSHOP ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT IN A WHILE. AND I THINK -- JUST GIVE ONE METRIC IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THE LATEST NUMBERS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN MARCH. ANOTHER RECORD AND INDIVIDUAL FAMILY HOME PERMITS. 585 IN THE MONTH OF MARCH.

THE PREVIOUS RECORD. AND IT IS ALMOST COUNTER INTUITIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID, BUT THERE IS REASONS FOR THAT. WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS THEM HERE, BUT AMAZING THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.

>> OUR UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS ARE OUT AND 3.3%.

AND SO THAT KIND OF SHOWS ME A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING IN ARE RETIREES. SO PUTS A BURDEN ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE ALL DAY LONG. I WAS ON U.S. 1 AT 2:00.

WHERE ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE GOING.

DON'T THEY WORK? [LAUGHTER] ARE THEY WORKING OR WHAT ARE WE DOING.

SO, YEAH, THAT THEORY THAT TRAFFIC IS BAD IN THE PEAK HOURS AROUND 312 AREA U.S. 1 ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IS GONE.

BUSY ALL DAY LONG THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE CAN DO THIS -- MELISSA, WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AND SEE THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE A TIME THAT WORK TO MEET WITH.

EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS. AND A CONSENSUS -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS THE NEXT 30 OR 60 DAYS LOOK AT SOME W WORKSHOP WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT SINCE WE WERE ON THE BOARD AND CERTAINLY NOT SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE AS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

IF YOU GET WITH MR. COTTON AND THE TEAM AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND DO IT IN THE EVENING, AND FREE UP ALL THE SCHEDULED AND DO IT THE EVENING ATER THE BOARD MEETING.

AND GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP WITH AN AGENDA AND OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK FOR INPUT.

I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. THIS DOES COME UP QUITE A BIT.

I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO DO THIS.

CONSENSUS AND SOMETHING IN THE FALL.

>> YES. >> WOULD THAT ALLOW YOUR TEAM ENOUGH TIME, SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER.

>> YES, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK

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YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: ONE MORE JUST IF YOU DIDN'T SEE IT. THE CONFERENCE COMMITTEE.

THE LEGISLATIVE BUDGET CONFERENCE COMMITTEE MET OVER THE WEEKEND AND ONE GOOD NEWS RESULT WAS THAT THE HOUSE NUMBER ON BEACH RENOURISHMENT WAS $100 MILLION AND THE SENATE NUMBER $50 MILLION. AND THE SENATE AGREED WITH THE HOUSE AND SO WE HAVE 100 MILLION IN THE STATE BUDGET.

WE ARE ONE OF ABOUT 20 COUNTIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF A BEACH PRESERVATION GROUP THAT WE FOLLOW THAT CLOSELY AND GOOD TO SEE THAT WE HAVE 100 MILLION STATE WIDE, NOT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY, BUT STATEWIDE AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COMPETE WITH OTHER COASTAL COUNTIES, BUT A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT.

FIRST TIME TO EVER HAVE $100 MILLION.

SPENT $50 MILLION IN THE PAST. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PAUL WALDRON: JUST QUICKLY KIND AN UPDATE ON YESTERDAY'S TDC MEETING. WE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF IT TALKING ABOUT THE FIFTH CENT AND THE BED TAX.

THEY DID VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE FIFTH CENT.

WE HAVE A BASIC PLAN ON A HOW THEY WOULD LIKE THAT SPENT ANOTHER MONTH TO FINALIZE THAT PLAN IF WE GET THROUGH IT IN THAT MEETING. SPENT SIX HOURS ON IT SO FAR.

AND IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.

PART OF OUR PLAN WAS NOTHING OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

IT WAS WHERE -- PART OF THIS IS CLEAN UP BEACHES ALL GO IN ONE POT AND THAT FUNDS RENOU RENOURISHMENT AND SERVICES COMPLETELY. THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I AM GLAD TO SEE WHERE THAT GOES.

AND THE YOU WILL RALE COUNCIL PLANNING FOR ADVERTISING IS COMPLETE CHANGE. I WILL TRY TO GET HER TO GIVE ALL OF US A COPY AND IT IS VERY INTERESTING AND COMPLETELY CHANGED WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, HOW THEY ARE ADVERTISING THEY WERE ADVERTISING AND STRETCHING OUT OTHER AREAS AND HELP PUT ON SOME BIGGER REENACTMENT THINGS AND DRAW PEOPLE TO DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON, POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY

ANOTHER MONTH -- >> PAUL WALDRON: YES.

THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MEET IN MAY, BUT WE DECIDED TO MEET IN MAY TO TRY TO FINALIZE THE FIVE CATEGORIES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ONLY TEN POTENTIALLY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS

IN JUNE. >> PAUL WALDRON: THEY CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE BO BOARD'S PREROGATIVE.

BLOCKER WLOBINGZ I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: NO

REPORT TODAY, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. I WANT TO POINT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. REMINDED OF A STORY I READ THAT GENERAL PATTON RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION FROM THE PENTAGON WHAT DO YOU NEED. HIS RESPONSE WAS I NEED MORE SOLDIERS AND LESS QUESTIONS. SO I SAY THAT TO BE MINDFUL, BECAUSE WE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND WE MAKE A LOT OF REQUESTS. I DON'T WANT TO PUT OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY.

AND MORE RESOURCES. WE ARE APPROACHING OUR 200TH CELEBRATION. WE HAVE EXCITING THINGS COMING UP AS FAR AS THAT GOES. I THINK THE BOARD HAS BEEN BRIEFED ON SOME OF THAT. THIS HAPPENS TO ADMINISTRATOR COMMENTS AND OUR NEXT MEETING, ANOTHER QUICK -- THIS WILL BE BRIEF TO INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS WE ARE ALL TRACKING WHAT WE NEED TO BE AND HAVE AMPLE TIME AND ALL THAT GOOD INFORMATION. SO I AM TRYING TO FOLLOW THE PATTON SCHOOL NOT PUSHING TOO MUCH.

TO TALK THE ARMY CORPS FOR PONDRE VEDRA AND ARMY CORPS AND STARTING THAT EVALUATION PROCESS TO GO FORWARD.

THAT - GREAT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND GREAT FOR OUR BEACHES AND RENOURISHING AND GREAT FOR PONDREVEDRA.

I RECEIVED AN EMAIL COMMUNICATION FROM THE VETERANS COUNCIL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ABOUT THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE VETERAN COUNCIL COMING UP AND THEY REQUESTED A LETTER FROM THE BOARD FOR ME AS BOARD APPROVAL BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGING THIS ANNIVERSARY. I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS CONSENSUS IF THE BOARD APPROVED ME WRITING A LETTER ON THEIR BEHALF IN PROCLAMATION IN CELEBRATION.

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VERY QUICKLY, A SOMBERING NOTE. IN PONDRE VEDRA.

A YOUNG THREE-YEAR-OLD CHILD CALVIN UNDERWENT A TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE. A SMALL GATHERING AND THE YOUNG MAN WAS DROWNING IN THE POOL. THANKS TO THE QUICK EFFORTS OF TWO YOUNG PEOPLE, THEIR NAMES HAVE BEEN -- THEY ARE BEING RECOGNIZED TODAY BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THIS AFTERNOON. LUKE DARROW AND KAREN BROWN, TWO YOUNG TEENAGERS RECOGNIZED IMMEDIATELY WITH ALL OF THE ADULTS AROUND THAT THERE WAS A CHILD DROWNING IN THE POOL AND HAVING A PARTY AND ENGAGED LITERALLY JUMPED INTO THE POOL, SAVED THIS THREE-YEAR-OLD BOY'S LIFE.

THEY HAVE TO GO AND THERE WAS TRAUMATIC INJURIES BEING DEPRIVED OF OXYGEN AND SOME OTHER -- BUT AS HORRIFYING AS THIS IS, ANYONE THAT HAS LITTLE CHILDREN OR HAD LITTLE CHILDREN CAN UNDERSTAND HOW FRIGHTENING AND TERRIFYING THIS IS.

THIS IS GREAT NEWS STORY. THIS IS ABOUT TWO YOUNG PEOPLE THAT WEREED THE RIGHT WAY UNDERSTOOD CPR AND JUMPED IN WHEN THE ADULTS WERE DISTRACTED AT NO FAULT TO ANYONE AND ABLE TO SAVE A YOUNG MAN'S LIFE. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THE HORROR OF THE PRECIPICE OF LOSING THEIR SON.

I DO NOT KNOW THE FAMILY. THEY ARE IN MY DISTRICT.

IT WAS VERY EMOTIONAL AND THEY ARE BEING RECOGNIZED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. JUST TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD AS A REMINDER OF HOW CLOSE LIFE IS AND HOW CLOSE WE COME TO LOSING IT AND HOW IMPORTANT TO RAISE OUR CHLDREN AND THOSE

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ON THAT NOTE, THAT'S ALL I H HAVE.

MR. CONRAD? >> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS FOR YOU THIS MORNING. FIRST OF ALL IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 200. AS LONG AS THE BOARD GIVES ME A HEAD NOD I WILL HAVE MR. RYAN MAKE A COMMENT WHERE WE ARE IN THE 200. IF EVERYTHING IS OKAY WITH T THAT. I DON'T THINK A FULL STAFF PRESENTATION IS NECESSARY BUT WE WILL DO A QUICK ONE MINUTE OF WHERE WE ARE IN CASE EVERYBODY IS IN THE 200.

AND TWO OTHER -- THREE OTHER THINGS IS -- ONE IS THIS MORNING AND THIS AFTERNOON WILL PRESENT TO YOU AS YOU ALL KNOW MY RESPONSIBILITY TO HIRE DIRECTORS THAT DIDN'T COME TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND THIS AFTERNOON I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU GREG CALDWELL AS POSITION -- PERMANENT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. HE SERVED IN THE ROLE SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND HE WAS PREVIOUSLY THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FROM 2016 UNTIL HE WAS NAMED THE INTERIM THIS YEAR.

PRIOR TO THAT HE WAS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY AND PRIOR TO THAT A PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY AND HE CONTINUES TO GO AFTER THAT.

HIS BACHELOR AND MASTER'S IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION.

THUS FAR IN MY TENURE AS THE INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HE HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE AND HOPE YOU FOUND HIM THAT WAY AS WELL.

BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER PRESENT THAT TO YOU FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

>> HENRY DEAN: WELL, IT REQUIRES A MOTION, I WILL GLADLY MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE GREG CALDWELL AS PERMANENT PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. ONE THING THAT STICKS IN MY MIND SO CLEARLY AFTER MATTHEW AND IRMA, A GENTLEMAN RETIRED, WONDERFUL MAN THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE AT THE POINT.

AND HIS HOUSE WAS ABOUT TO FALL IN THE OCEAN RIGHT THERE AT THE POINT. AND HE NEEDED AN EMERGENCY S SEAWALL OR SEABALL BUILT AND YOU EMERGENCY DECLARATION AND GREG CALDWELL JUMPED ON THAT IMMEDIATELY AND GOT THE NECESSARY STEPS TAKEN AND GOT THAT DONE AND THE GENTLEMAN WAS SO APPRECIATIVE THAT THE S SEAWALL WAS BUILT SOON NOW SAVE HIS HOME AND HAD A SONNY'S BARBECUE CATERED EVENT AND WE SHARED THIS BARBECUE EVENT WITH IN GENTLEMAN THAT WAS MOST APPRECIATIVE OF GREG AND HIS STAFF.

THAT STICKS IN MY MIND. ONE OF THE INCIDENTS WHERE GREG HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB FOR US DO YOU REMEMBER MY TENURE AND I RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF HIS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR POSITION

OPINION. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST:

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SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN

THIS TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE APPOINTMENT OF GREG CALDWELL? I DO SEE ONE ON THE CALL WHITING.

IS THERE A CALL? GO AHEAD.

>> ED SLAVIN, 3084. MOTION TO TABLE.

THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA AND REQUIRES DISCUSSION OF WHATEVER EFFORTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE FOR A PROBABLE EEO SEARCH.

AND THE IMMORTAL WORDS OF PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN.

HERE YOU GO AGAIN. COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS -- AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST ONE TO DO THIS -- SINCE TIME AND MEMORANDUM PUT STUFF THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AGENDA ITEM.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE PROPER EEO SEARCH FOR VACANT POSITIONS INSTEAD OF HIRING THE NEXT ONE IN LINE OR HIRING THE ACTING. THIS IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE.

AND THERE IS A NEW EEOC DIRECTOR AND NEW PRESIDENT AND I REQUEST THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HONOR THE COURAGE OF THE PEOPLE FROM ST. AUGUSTINE THAT GOT THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT PASS WHEN WE HAVE THE CELEBRATION OF THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, I HOPE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE MONOCROMATIC AND I DON'T THINK THE DIRECTOR SHOULD BE MONOCROMATIC.

I THINK YOU SHOULD TABLE THIS AND MAKING DECISIONS ON THE FLY WITHOUT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHOWING THE DECENCY WITH SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THE AGENDA PACKET.

JUST WRONG. THE FUNDAMENTAL POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY JUSTICE BRANDEIS.

SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT.

THE BEST SUNSHINE LAW IN THE COUNTRY AND IN 1982.

83% OF THOSE VOTING SUPPORTED IT.

FLORIDA CONSTITUTIONAL ARTICLE 1 SECTION 24.

BUT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING IT WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT AT THE LAST MINUTE. NOTHING -- THERE IS NOT EVEN A RED PACKET, IS THERE? YOU ARE DOING THIS AT THE RIGHT MINUTE. SO DISRESPECTFUL.

PLEASE VOTE TO TABLE AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MAY.

>> HENRY DEAN: ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS?

A CALL-IN? >> TOM -- [INAUDIBLE] -- BRIG DEAN COURT.

COMMISSIONERS, I THINK THAT THE HIRING IS FINE.

MR. CONRAD THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THINKS THE HIRING IS FINE, WE SHOULD ALL THINK IS FINE.

I NEVER RECALL APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION ON HIRING OF ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.I DON'T KNOW MUCH OF MR. CALDWELL BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THE GUY A TON OF EXPERIENCE.

OBVIOUSLY HE WILL BE A GOOD PERSON -- A GOOD PERSON FOR THE POSITION. SO I AM KIND OF HOPING RIGHT NOW THAT YOU DON'T VOTE ON THIS AND WE DON'T START SOMETHING -- I THINK MAYBE MR. CONRAD WAS JUST WANTING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT HE HIRED A GOOD PERSON. I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK MAYBE PATRICK NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON THIS RIGHT NOW.

THIS VOTING THING IF ALL OF YOU THINKS A GOOD PERSON, I AM GOOD WITH IT. ITHINK SOMETHING BEHIND THE SCENES WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME IF YOU SAY I DON'T LIKE SO AND SO FOR THIS POSITION, THAT WOULD BE OKAY.

I HOPE YOU KIND OF STOP THIS RIGHT NOW.

AND MR. CONRAD THINKS HE IS OKAY AND MR. CONRAD WANTS TO HIRING HIM. THAT IS WHY WE HIRED MR. CONRAD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THIS. >> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. LET ME JUST SAY QUICKLY AND PATRICK BACK ME UP ON THIS. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FLORIDA STATUTES REQUIRE THAT THE BOARD SIGN OFF -- OR APPROVE THE -- THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HIRING OF DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AND HE HAS BEEN THE INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR FOR COUPLE OF MONTHS AND STATUS OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND QUITE A BIT OF CONTRACTS SUBJECT TO. BLOCKER BLOCK PUBLIC COMMENT GOING CLOSED. GOING BACK TO THE BOARD, I WANT TO SAY THIS AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY I WAS WALKING INTO A

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HE ANSWERED RIGHT AWAY. HIS ANSWER WAS WHAT CAN I TO DO ASSIST. THAT IS HOW HE ANSWERED THE PHONE. AND I CONNECTED HIM WITH THAT SENIOR CITIZEN. BY THAT AFTERNOON, THE PROBLEM WAS ADDRESSED. THAT IS THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT OUR CITIZENS EXPECT. THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT WE CAN EXPECT. WE CAN'T A US DO THAT AND SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM QUICKLY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT FROM OUR EMPLOYEES AND WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE.

I WANT TO THANK MR. CALDWELL PUBLICLY.

NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS HAPPENED WHERE HE IS ACCESSIBLE AND I AM SURE HE WAS IN A MEETING AND IMPORTANT GOING ON AND TOOK THE TIME TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM AND GOT IT DONE.

THANK YOU, MR. CALDWELL. I APPRECIATE THE VALUE AND THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU BRING. I WANT TO PUT THAT ON.

ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? I BELIEVE YOU MADE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY, THAT PASSES 5-0.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

COMMISSIONERS. SECOND THING TO BRING BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE COUNTY WORKS AND LEGISLATIVE ACTION PLAN SUBMIT THAT BOTH TO TALLAHASSEE AND WORK THROUGH THE PROPER DELEGATION AND CHANNELS TO FUNNEL REQUESTS THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL.

AND I HAVE GOT TWO LETTERS THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE NATURE BEFORE YOU IN MORNING THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME THIS MORNING AS PART OF A GENERAL PROCESS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING.

THE, WE ARE PRESENTING IT TO THE BOARD THROUGH CONGRESSMAN RUTHERFORD'S OF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE YOU CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION TO SIGN THE LETTER IN SUPPORT.

WE HAVE A COMMUNITY PROJECT REQUEST AND THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE. HIS OFFICE INDICATED IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SUBMIT A FOLLOW-UP LETTER. THESE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE -- AND I HAVE BOTH LETTERS HERE AND I CAN PROVIDE THEM TO THE CHAIR AND PROVIDE COPIES TO EACH COMMISSIONERS.

ONE IS FOR THE REQUEST FOR $1 MILLION IN THE FISCAL YEAR 22 TRANSPORTATION HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT AND RELATED APPROPRIATIONS BILL. THIS IS FOR IMPROVEMENTS AT 16 AND IGP AND $1 MILLION REQUEST THROUGH THE CFP.

THE SECOND IS A $1.2 -- $1 MILLION REQUEST ALSO FOR FISCAL YEAR '22 FOR THE INTERIOR ENVIRONMENT APPROPRIATION BILL LAND ACQUISITION THROUGHOUT NATIONAL PARK SERVICES TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PASSIVE PARK CONSERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT PROJECTS THAT WILL INVOLVE THE ACQUISITION OF THE LAND AROUND THE MATANSAS RIVER. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE APPROVED AS PART OF THE BOARD'S NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS ACTION PLAN AND SUBMITTED THROUGH STAFF THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS CFP AND TWO LETTERS.

IF THE BOARD PROVIDE CONSENSUS FOR SUPPORT OF THE CONGRESSAL DELEGATION AND THE NECESSARY LEGISLATIVE CHANNELS.

>> THANK YOU. CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD?

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE WILL DO PUBLIC COMMENT.

MAKE SURE ALL VOTING COMMISSIONERS GET COPY OF THAT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TWO LETTERS THAT THE CHAIRMAN REQUESTED. CALL-IN, GO AHEAD.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIDDIN. >> I URGE FOR THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON THIS LETTER AND OTHER THINGS.

UP WANT TO QUICKLY POINT OUT THOUGH ON SITUATIONS.

I TOTALLY AGREE. IF THE STATE LAW RECOMMENDS THAT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT, I DID NOT KNOW THAT AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THAT THE LAST TIME, BUT I THINK THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MADE CLEARER AT THE BEGINNING THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES YOU TO VOTE ON IT. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, TOM. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT

ON THESE TWO LETTERS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED. WE MOVE FORWARD OF CONSENSUS

AND I WILL SIGN THOSE LETTERS. >> AND THE LAST THING A LITTLE MORE LENGTHY AND I HAVE MR. JAMOCKAS AND PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS RELATED TO COVID VACCINE DISTWRI PWUTION AND WHERE WE STAND.

COMMUNICATIONS PLAN WENT TO OUT, TOMORROW'S SITE WILL BE ALLOWING WALK-INS. AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE NOT BEEN

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PREVIOUSLY 55% OF COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE 55% OF COUNTY RESIDENTS RECEIVED AT LEAST THE FIRST SHOT AND I BELIEVE WE ARE CLOSE TO 90% FOR THE SENIOR ADULT POPULATION, THAT CORRECT, MR. JAMAKA. 90% HAVE BEEN VACCINATED WITH THE FIRST SHOT AND WALKING VACCINES WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE CALHOUN CENTER FROM 9 TO 3 -- OR 9 TO 2.

THE PART IS A RECOMMENDATION AND NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN FROM THE BOARD MOVING FORWARD IN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE UNLESS THE BOARD SAYS OTHE OTHERWISE.

OUR INTENT TO CLOSE DOWN THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER FOR FIRST SHOT VACCINES BEGINNING THE LAST DAY WOULD BE WEDNESDAY THE 28TH. THAT WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY.

WE WOULD DO A FULL COMMUNICATION PLAN ON THAT AND FORMING THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY FILLING ANY SLOTS ANYMORE FOR PEOPLE TO BE VACCINATED.

THERE IS ALSO AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF PRIVATE ENTITIES THAT ARE NOW VACCINATING AND ASKED HIM TO PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD AND YOU CAN SEE OUTSIDE OF THE SOLOMON CENTER HOW MANY PLACES ARE VACCINATING. TO YOU MR. JAMACA.

>> THROUGH THE COMMUNITY 36 DIFFERENT ENTITIES OFFERING THE VACCINE. ROUGHLY SEVERAL THOUSAND COMING INTO THE COUNTY. THIS IS THROUGH PUBLIC-PRIVATE ENTITIES. I WOULD SUGGEST ANY RESIDENT WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN GET A VACCINE.

THEY CAN ALWAYS CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PROVIDERS AND DOCTORS.

ENTITYS THAT CAN GET THE VACCINE AS WELL.

>> JUST THE UPDATE ON THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER.

A NUMBER OF ENTITIES THAT ARE PROVIDING THAT.

AND AS WE SEE LOCALLY, NAT NATIONALLY AND WE WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN THE SITE OTHER THAN THE SECOND SHOT VACCINES THAT WILL GO INTO THE MIDDLE OF MAY.

ADDITIONALLY I WANT TO BRING THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY.

A NUMBERING OF YOU ASKED FOR THE NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY AN ALLOW MR. JAMACK TO ELABORATE FURTHER.

OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LAST LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY TO BE SIGNED NEXT TUESDAY AND ALLOW US TO FINISH UP ANY OF OUR FINANCIAL NECESSITIES. OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

PRIMARILY IN PLACE NOW TO MAKE SURE WE CAN IMBURSE BY FEMA FOR DISASTER AND YOU GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO SIGN TO PRIMARILY GET SUPPLIES AND THINGS THAT WERE NEEDED DURING THE EMERGENCY. WE DO NOT FEEL COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM THAT THAT IS NECESSARY ANYMORE AND UNLESS THIS BOARD DIRECTS OTHERWISE, THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, WE WILL NOT BE BRINGING FORTH THE RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE STATE OF EMERGENCY. UNLESS I HEAR OTHERWISE AND PAUSE FOR A MOMENT. THE 22ND WOULD BE THE LAST RECOMMENDED DATE OF SIGNATURE OF THAT LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY. RIGHT THERE IF MR. JAMOCKA AND IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO OPINE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY COMMENTS?

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: IS THIS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE'S DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH OR OTHER FLORIDA COUNTIES NOT EXTENDING THEIR STATE OF

EMERGENCY. >> WE ARE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND 60 COUNTIES AS OF YESTERDAY HAD LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCIES; HOWEVER, THE -- AS THE MONTH GOES ON, WE ARE T TALKING TO OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY DOING THE SAME THING THAT WE ARE. THE DEMAND IS NOT THERE.

SO THEY ARE IN THIS PROCESS OF THE EXIT STRATEGIES, IF YOU WILL, THE MASK PORTION OF THE MASS VACCINATION FOR US IS O OVER. AND OTHER COUNTIES ARE KIND OF FOLLOWING SUIT. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE STATUS OF THE STATE EVERY DAY SO WE WILL SEE THAT AS WE GO THROUGH. ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT THE STATE AS A WHOLE IS LOOKING AT THE STATE OF THE EMERGENCY AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND WE ARE BEING TOLD SOME TYPE OF FUTURE ACTION WITH THAT AND DON'T DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AND A REDUCTION OF WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW.

YES, THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE ARE FOLLOWING SUIT WITH JUST ABOUT

EVERYBODY ELSE. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: ANY SENSE THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY DO NOT WANT TO GET THE VACCINE? POLLING DATA OR OTHER INFORMATION THAT TELLS US WE ARE REACHING THE END OF THE POPULATION THAT WANTS TO HAVE

THE VACCINE? >> WE TRY TO LOOK FOR THAT ANSWER. THAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT ANSWER TO ANSWER. QUESTION AND ANSWER.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.

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WE HAVE VACCINES THAT ARE AVAILABLE WITHIN ST. JOHN COUNTY AND NOT SEEING PEOPLE REQUESTING IS.

WE TRY DIFFERENT MEASURES THROUGHOUT THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER AND CHANGE THE TIMES AND WENT THROUGH FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AND CHANGE DIFFERENCE THINGS AND REACH OUT AND PARTNER WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO SEE IF PEOPLE CAN COME. IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET YOU A HARD NUMBER AND WE TRIED TO GET PEOPLE WHO WANTED THE SHOT TO OUR SITE TO GET THE SHOT. IF THEY NEEDED TRANSPORTATION OR ANYTHING ELSE, WE WERE THERE TO GET THEM.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BO BOARD? JUST MAKE SURE -- WE ARE GOING TO -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS IS SOMETHING THE ENTIRE -- MY OTHER CONTACTS WITH THE CIVILIAN APPOINTMENTS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT.

PEOPLE CLEAR SINCE LAST YEAR MOBILIZE TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKING CALL CENTERS. INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.

THE GREATEST SUCCESS STORY THE HARD WORK HAVE DONE.

AND MY -- I THINK TO ADDRESS IT.

AND ALL THE COUNTIES LOOKING AT THE DRAW DOWN.

CORRECT? >> FROM THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, THE STATE IS COMMUNICATING WITH THE COUNTIES TO LOOK AT THE EXIT STRATEGY AND SOME SMALLER COUNTIES ARE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN LARGE POPULATIONS.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WAS GOING TO SAY MR. CONRAD AND MR. GIAMOCO.

NOTICE OF EXPECTATIONS. CERTAINLY T IF SOMETHING POPPED UP BETWEEN NEXT TUESDAY AND THE FOURTH, THAT WILL BE RECONSIDERED AND IF THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY WERE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE ON THE FOURTH IF TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT SOMETHING UNEXPECTED POPPED UP THERE COULD BE AN REINITIATION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE HAVE HURRICANE SEASON AND WE NEED TO GET READY FOR THAT. THE STATE PREPARATION HAVE BEEN OFF BECAUSE OF THAT. WE DO HAVE -- IT LOOKS LIKE CALL INS ON THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT DO YOU WANT TO GO

THROUGH ALL THE INFORMATION. >> AT THIS POINT IN BOARD ACTION AND INFORMATIVE UNLESS THE BOARD DECIDES IT WANTS TOO DO ACTION. THIS IS PROVIDED FOR YOUR INFORMATION. WE ARE DEVELOPING A COMP PLAN TO GET OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AT THE LAST MEETING TALKED ABOUT RESEARCH ON THE MASK ORDINANCE AND UPDATE TO THAT.

WANT TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE BOARD.

AS FAR AS SURROUNDING COUNTIES TO THE BEST INFORMATION WE CAN GET. NO COUNTIES THAT CAN ADJOIN US THAT CURRENTLY HAVE ANY REQUIRED MASK MANDATE IN PLACE.

SO WE ARE THE LAST COUNTY THAT TOUCHES US.

AS ESSENTIAL COUNTY THAT HAS ANY KIND OF MASK REQUIREMENT IN PLACE. SECONDARY, COMMISSIONER WHITE HURST OF WHAT OUR NUMBERS RELATED TO COVID COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTIES AND PREPARED TO. I KNOW YOU WILL ASK QUESTION TO PROVIDE THE ANSWER. MR. GIAMACO GOT TO FAR ME.

THE LAST SEVEN DAYS WE ARE 100,000 RESIDENTS.

OVER SEVEN DAYS PER 100,000 RESIDENTS ST. JOHNS HAS SEEN 107. BROWARD COUNTY 27.

AND MIAMI-DADE AT 345. PER 100,000.

WE ARE 100,000 RESIDENTS. 250,000.

260 OR 265 CASES. THOSE ARE TWO AND THREE TIMES OURS. AND THEY DO HAVE -- I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, THEY DO HAVE MASK REQUIREMENTS IN PLACE IN THOSE TWO COUNTIES. PROVIDE A LIST IN THE STATE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU LOOKED FORWARD TO AND REQUESTED.

OUR NUMBERS ARE MUCH LOWER ON A SEVEN-DAY ROLLING AVERAGE AND REMAINING COUNTY OF ANY KIND OF REQUIREMENT IN PLACE.

BEFORE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AND ANYTHING ELSE, ONE MORE THING TO ADD TO YOU WHICH COULD BE OF DISCUSSION.

UNDER THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER AND STATE OF EMERGENCY, BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER STARTED THE CALL-IN LINE.

WE SET THAT UP AND I. T. COMMUNICATION WERE TO SET THAT UP SO PEOPLE COULD CALL IN. WANTED TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK FOR YOU BECAUSE MANY HAVE ASKED WHAT IS GOING ON IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

FLAGLER COUNTY, CLAY COUNTY, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH HAVE RETURNED TO BUSINESS AS

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PUBLIC COMMENT STILL AVAILABLE. PEOPLE CAN STILL COME.

A CAVEAT IF THE BOARD WOULD MAKE THE DECISION TO COME OFF.

OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING WITH ANY KIND OF CALL IN WOULD STILT NEED TO TAKE PLACE. BUT THE BOARD CHOSE WE WANT TO GO BACK TO BUSINESS AS USUAL IT WOULD BE AFTER THE NEXT -- THE NEXT MEETING THAT HAVEN'T BEEN NOTICED THAT WAY WILL BE TURNED ON. TWO THINGS AND INFORMATION FOR THIS BOARD IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT OR NOT IS UP TO YOU

ALL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY DISCUSSION?

MR. MCCORMACK. >> PATRICK MCCORMACK: WELL, I THINK WHAT MR. CONRAD, AGAIN, THE OVERALL PICTURE AS I AM LISTENING IS SORT OF THE RETURN TO NORMALCY.

AND THE -- THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER IS MOVING BACK TO ITS NORMAL PROCEDURE, AND I THINK THAT THE COUNTY'S EMERGENCY ORDER PERTAINING TO MASK IN COUNTY FACILITIES WHEN THE -- WHEN THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION EXPIRES, THAT WILL AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE. IT COULD EXPIRE BEFORE THAT.

THE ADMINISTER COULD DETERMINE THAT.

AND BACK TO, AGAIN, NORMAL PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC MEETING IDEAS AND PARTICIPATION AND NORMALCY IS HOW I PRESENT THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: JUST TO CLARIFY WITHIN YOUR SCOPE AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. YOU ARE ASKING US TO VOTE ON

THIS? >> YES, IT IS IN MY AUTHORITY AND THE BOARD VOTED ON THE MASKS ORDINANCE AND I WILL NOT OVERSTEP THAT. FARCE CALL-IN LINE, LOOK TO MR. MCCORMACK WHETHER THAT EXPIRES WHEN THE LSC EXPIRES.

YOU CAN HAVE THAT NATURALLY EXPIRE IF THAT IS THE CASE OR MAY NEED SOME KIND OF BOARD ACTION.

I WILL LOOK TO MR. MCCORMACK TO ANSWER THAT ONE.

>> PATRICK MCCORMACK: RIGHT. PRESIDENT CALL-IN LINES, THE REMOTE, THE CMT PROCEDURES WHICH ARE KIND OF THE REMOTE PROCEDURES DONE UNDER EMERGENCY ORDER TEN, LOCAL ORDER 10.

THAT PROVIDED FOR REMOTE AC ACCESS.

THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED AND AUTHORIZE.

THAT COULD BE RELAXED. ONE THE OVERALL STATE OF EMERGENCY THE WHOLE ORDER WILL EX-TIRE AS WELL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT THE PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD?

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: SO WITH THE NEW INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE COMING OUT OF SOUTH FLORIDA WITH THE UNDERSTANDING NOW WITH THE LAST EMERGENCY ORDER BEING EXTENDED NEXT TUESDAY, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW UP ON THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING TO LIFT THE MASK ORDINANCE EFFECTIVE WITH THE LIFTING OF OUR EMERGENCY ORDER NEXT TUESDAY.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS BEFORE THERE IS A SECOND. AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO VOTE TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF MR. CONRAD? HE CAN MAKE SOME OF THE CHANGES ON HIS OWN. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> IT WOULD LIFT THE MASK M MANDATE AND RETURN OUR SORT OF PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE NORMAL PROCESS.

>> ON THE MASK MANDATE AS YOU HEARD FROM MR. MCCORMACK.

THAT WILL EXPIRE -- IF THE BOARD DOESN'T TAKE ACTION.

THAT WILL EXPIRE WHEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IS UP.

NO LONGER IN PLACE. MY POINT IS INFORMATIONAL 37.

THE BOARD REQUESTED THE INFORMATION AND WILL GET TIMELY AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION TO LIFT IT TODAY OR ALLOW IT TO GO UNTIL THE STATE OF THE - THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THE PREROGATIVE OF THE BOARD.

MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE TELEPHONE LINE IS TO RETURN TO BUSINESS AS USUAL AT THE NEXT SCHEDULED BOARD MEETING AND ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AT THE BOARD THAT THIS BOARD ADOPTS OR COMMITTEES THAT THIS BOARD ADOPTS THAT HAVEN'T ALREADY SCHEDULED THEIR -- THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE THE NOTICES IN PLACE FOR THE CALL-IN LINE THAT WILL GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOTICE THAT AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY DO THE COMPS PLAN.

I THINK THE GENERAL POINT IS WE ARE QUICKLY WRAPPING UP ALL OF

OUR RELATIONS RELATED TO COVID. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: NEED TO

GET READY TO HURRICANE SEASON. >> YES, SIR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU

WANT TO MODIFY. >> I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO

DIRECT MR. CONRAD. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: IS THERE

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A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO, BUT CAN'T PUSH MY BUTTON.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER SMITH SP.

>> JEB SMITH: I WANT TO SAY THAT THE LSC WILL BE SIGNED AGAIN NEXT TUESDAY SO TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY THAT IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE. I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I RELISH THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESCIND IT TODAY.

>> I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

CAN I WITHDRAW THE MOTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: YOU CAN

WITHDRAW. >> AS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE TODAY.

>> JEB SMITH: I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

BLOCK BLOCK WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. LET'S OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: THIS AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS TO RESCIND THE REQUIRED MASK -- WHEN YOU ARE ON COUNTY PROPERTY ORDINANCE IN EFFECT AND WILL BE RESCINDED TODAY.

THAT IS -- OKAY, WE NOW -- I SEE ONE CALL-IN.

IS THERE A CALL IN HOLDING. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: TO ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY. I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF

RECOMMENDATIONS. >> HENRY DEAN: WELL, THE CALL IN -- IF WE CAN -- WE CAN VOTE TO RESCIND IT, BUT IT WILL NOT TAKE EFFECT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. YES, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGDEEN COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> I AM 100% OKAY WITH -- ENDING THE CALL-IN, ENDING ALL THE MASK STUFF TODAY. MAYBE IT IS A GOOD TIME.

TODAY MAY BE A GOOD DAY TO MOVE FORWARD.

ALTHOUGH THE CALL-IN WAS GREAT, IT DID GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IN ON AGENDA ITEMS. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS RE REALLY, REALLY GOOD THE COUNTY DID. I APPLAUD THEM FOR THAT.

YOU KNOW, THOUGH, I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT YOU KNOW SLAVIN. HE WILL MENTION AT TIMES WILL SAY TO THE BOARD WE NEED TO HAVE MORE OF A WELCOMING FRIENDLY ATTITUDE. YOU KNOW NE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE COUNTY I WILL TELL YOU AS SOMEBODY WHO LIKES TO COME TO THE MEETINGS WHEN I CAN IS THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO COFFEE MACHINE, NO VENDING MACHINE.

THERE IS NOT A THING THAT IS REALLY PUBLIC FRIENDLY IN THE BUILDING. THAT -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED. AND BECAUSE,U KNOW, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY FOR MYSELF, BUT A LOT OF TIMES THESE MEETINGS GO ON. THE DISCUSSIONS GO ON A LONG TIME. AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE NEED TO HAVE A BITE TO EAT, A SUN OF COFFEE TO WAKE UP.

IT REALLY IS AN UNFRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN THE COMMISSION BUILDING. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

I LOVE IT. I DON'T LIKE WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO REFER TO IT AS THE TAJ MAHAL. I JUST FIND IT A NORMAL MO MODERN-DAY BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. AND LIKE ON A MINIMUM, SOMETHING SIMPLE THE COMMISSION COULD DO IS THEY COULD AT A MINIMUM ALLOW A FOOD TRUCK TO BE THERE ON MEETING DAYS OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW CREATING A LITTLE BIT OF A FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE. SOMETIMES SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT HOURS AND HOURS. THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT GOES ON DURING THE MEETING. ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DID DURING THE COVID AND BY THE WAY I DID HAPPEN TO WITNESS FIRST HAND.

I TOOK A LADY OVER TO GET HER SHOT.

I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW WELL-RUN THAT WAS RUN OVER THERE AT THE CALHOUN CENTER. IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

THAT LADY GOT HER SHOT, WAS BACK IN MY CAR, I DROVE HER BACK IN UNDER 17 MINUTES. IT WAS AMAZING TO ME.

AND TEMP THIS VERY POLITE AND VERY PROFESSIONAL.

VERY, VERY WELL-RUN THING COUNTY DID THERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, TOM. ONE MORE CALL.

>> ED SLAVIN, BOX 3084. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY AND PARTICULARLY THE FIRE RESCUE FO -- AND THE POLICE FOR THE -- FOR THE FINE LOGISTICS OVER AT THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER.

WENT VERY SMOOTHLY. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED.

OF COURSE I HAD TO CROSS OUT A BLOCK WHERE THEY ASK YOU TO WAIVE YOUR RIGHT TO SUE THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I HAVE WRITTEN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND I AM NOT SIGNING IT.

AND SHOULDN'T BE WAIVE OUR RIGHT TO JURY TRIAL AND I HOPE YOU CROSSED IT OUT AND INITIAL LIKE I DID, AND I HOPE YOU ARE

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THAT NOT A GERMANE SUBJECT. IT SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA AND ON THE MATH QUOORD GNATS. HENRY DEAN WAS RIGHT.

HENRY DEAN WAS RIGHT ON THIS AND JFK.

IN THE WORKS OF JFK NEGATIVE PROFILE IN COURAGE.

YOU BELIEVE SUBJECTIVE TO A LOT OF MISINFORMATION AND RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS AND AS FAR AS PEOPLE HAVING THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO INFECT OTHERS, THAT AIN'T TRUE AND SOME PEOPLE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY DIED AND GOT VERY SICK AND PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY COMMISSION AND DUE VALUE WOULD NOT REQUIRE MASKS AND SHERIFF SHORE TOLD YOU ALL HE WASN'T GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW. I AM GLAD HE IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND OUR LAW REALLY ARE IN NEED OF ATTENTION WITH THE NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WHY IN THE NAME OF ALL THIS IS HOLY ELIMINATE THE RIGHT OF TELEPHONE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR WORKING PEOPLE AND STAY-AT-HOME PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO PARTICIPATE AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, NON -- IT IS AT AN UNPREDICTABLE TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETINGS.

IN THIS PARTICULAR MEETING WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE ST.

AUGUSTINE COMMISSION MEETING THEY SET IT TO FRUSTRATE PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT TRY TO FINDING WAYS TO FRUSTRATE PUBLIC COMMENT AND STOP LISTENING TO JOHN BURKE SOCIETY OF MASKS. WE COULD HAVE SAVED SOME LIVES.

MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON IS IN A WHEELCHAIR BECAUSE OF COVID.

PLEASE KEEP OUR RIGHT TO TELEPHONE PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THE NECK TIME THERE IS A PANDEMIC OR THE NEXT TIME THE CDC, DON'T BE TAKING LEGAL ADVICE FROM DONALD JOHN TRUMP

AND HIS MINIONS. >> HENRY DEAN: THAT IS ALL THE.

NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. DEAN. WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST FIRST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I WANT TO VERY QUICKLY SAY BECAUSE SOME OF THIS HAS COME UP TO ME AS I BROUGHT IT UP IN THE LAST MEETING.

NOTHING POLITICAL ABOUT DATA OR STATISTICS OR FACTS.

WE JUST HEARD WILL GIAMACO STATE THAT HAD TWO TIMES THE NUMBER OF CASE AND A COUNTYWIDE MASKS MANDATES THAT HAVE BEEN RIG US HAVELY ENFORCED FOR THE YEAR.

MIAMI-DADE HAVE THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF COVID CASES AND A COUNTYWIDE MASK MANDATE RIGOROUSLY ENFORCED OPINION NOTHING POLITICAL ABOUT MY THOUGHTS AND MY MOTION TODAY.

IT IS ALL BASED UPON THE DATA. SO I AM NOT HERE TO OFFER THE EFFICACY OF THE MASKS, BUT I AM TALKING OF THE EFFICACY OF THE MASK MANDATE AND ITS EFFECT ON REDUCING COVID-19 CASES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> JUST TO SUM UP BEFORE THE BOARD VOTES, AS I UNDERSTAND THIS. AND MR. CONRAD, MAKE SURE I AM ON TRACK ON THESE. WILL CONRAD DESCRIBED OF THE DRAWDOWN OF THE SOLOMON CALHOUN CENTER COVID SITE AND THAT IS PART OF THE MOTION. THE MASK EMERGENCY ORDER WHICH THE BOARD DIRECTED THE ADMINISTRATOR TO -- TO EXECUTE, THAT IS -- EMERGENCY ORDER NUMBER 9.

AND SO IF THIS MOWS PASSES, WHAT WE WILL DO IS DRAW UP AN EMERGENCY ORDER OF CANCELLING THAT.

THE REMOTE CALLING OR THE CMT IS EMERGENCY ORDER 10 SHOULD THE BOARD PASS THIS MOTION. THEN WE WILL ALSO DRAW UP AN EMERGENCY ORDER THAT PROBABLY CAN BE DONE IN THE SAME ONE, YOU KNOW. CANCELLING THAT BUT RECOGNIZING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ADVERTISED CMF THINGS FOR THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED. LASTLY, THE EBLING GNOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY WAS DONE THROUGH EMERGENCY ORDER E O 8 IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PLAN MAY 4 FOR THE DAY THE LOCAL STATE OF PLEDGE EXPIRE UNLESS SOMETHING COMES UP.

WE WILL DRAW UP A RESOLUTION FOR AN AGENDA ITEM FOR BOARD TO

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THAT IS HOW MR. CONRAD. THIS IS HOW I SEE THIS.

>> THE EVENLY THING I DIDN'T PUT BEFORE THE BOARD WAS THE EDA ORDER AND I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE THAT OBVIOUSLY SLIPPED MY MIND. I PUSHED THE BUTTON AS WELL TO GET CLARIFICATION. BASED ON COMMISSIONER SMITH'S COMMENT AND WHITEHURST, WILL END THE MASK MANDATE TODAY AND END THE TELEPHONE CALL-IN TODAY.

WHEN I SAY TODAY. FOR OBVIOUSLY ANY MEETINGS THAT VICE PRESIDENT BEEN NOTICED. THOSE WILL BE OVERED TO.

THE ONE PIECE OF CLARITY THAT I DIDN'T HEAR REFERENCE WHETHER THE LSC WILL BE SIGNED ON THE 27TH AND WHETHER THAT IS PART OF INCORPORATING IN YOUR AMENDMENT WHETHER TODAY IS THE LAST DAY WE ARE SIGNING IT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER SMITH MADE THE COMMENT. ONE PIECE I WASN'T CLEAR ON.

EVERYTHING ELSE, YES. >> I KNOW WE ARE HAVING A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS, BUT POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS THE PZA AND SOME OF OUR BOARDS, ARE THEY ALLOWING CALL-IN? THIS WOULD IMPACT THAT AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT?

>> RIGHT. FOR ITEM ALREADY NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC THAT A CALL-THIS IS AVAILABLE.

THOSE WILL CONTINUE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MISS LUNDQUIST DEPENDING HOW THIS GOES, YOU WILL MAKE SURE.

>> JUST TO FOCUS ON MR. CO CONRAD'S THING.

A PART OF MOTION AND INTENT OF THE MOTION TO 250U8LY NOT PREPARE A LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY EXTENSION FOR TUESDAY THE 27TH OR LET THAT PLAN AS I THINK ORIGINALLY DESCRIBED BY MR. CONRAD THE EXPECTATION THAT IT WOULD BE HE CAN TENDED ON THE 27TH, BUT NO AGENDA ITEM OR EXTENSION ON THE FOURTH.

>> MY INTENT WAS NOT TO ELIMINATE THE SIGNING ON THE 27TH. IT WAS JUST TO ELIMINATE THE MASK ORDINANCE AND THE PHONE CALL-IN.

BUT I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO SUGGESTION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BEFORE BY FORWARD, COMMISSION.

>> JEB SMITH: SMITH THAT WAS MY INTENT AND PREFACED WITH THE INTENT THAT YOU PRESENTED TOO THE BOARD IT WILL BE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY. THAT PREFACE WAS MADE AND MY INTENT WAS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WAS PART OF THE DRAWING DOWN ANOTHER LCS TO BE SIGNED ON THE 27 TOTS NATURALLY GO OUT ON THE FOURTH AFTER THE SEVEN-DAY CYCLE THAT IS MY INTENT AND I AM IN HARMONY WITH YOU COMMISSIONER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SEEING THAT.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE.

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

[County Attorney’s Report]

>> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK.

YOU HAVE BEEN SICK. HOPE YOUR FAMILY IS DOING WELL.

A GREAT TEAM FILLING FOR YOU. MR. MCCORMACK.

>> PATRICK MCCORMACK: JUST ONE THING AND I KNOW THE BOARD REALIZES THAT I HAVE BEEN SORT OF HARPING ON THIS.

A SERIES OF BILLS UP IN TALLAHASSEE.

MADE THE BOARD AWARE OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THOSE, BUT ONE IN PARTICULAR, THIS HOUSE BILL 337 THAT WAS AMENDED JUST LAST WEEK. THE 6TH WEEK OUT OF THE 8-WEEK SESSION. AND IT GOES TO IMPACT FEE CREDIT -- CREDITS BEING ABLE TO BE TRANSFER.

A NEW LITTLE AMENDMENT WAS THIS SUBSECTIONS A YOU PLACE TO ALL IMPACT FEE REGARDLESS IF THE CREDITS WERE ESTABLISHED BEFORE OR AFTER THE AFFECTED DATE OF THIS ACT THE BOARD MIGHT REMEMBER WENT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL POSITION AND DID NOT APPLY A SUBSTANTIVE ANSWER, BUT I JUST WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE TO THE BOARD THE CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

IF THIS PASSES COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL EFFECT. MY POSITION AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THE IMPAIRMENT OF -- OF CONTRACTS THAT THE COUNTY HAS EXISTING, IMPACT FEE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS. MY QUESTION AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS THAT CONSTITUTIONALLY, THOSE REMAIN.

THAT MAY BE A CONTEST WE HAVE TO

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