[1. PVZVAR21-01 730 Ponte Vedra Blvd. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.N.2 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations in order to construct a retaining wall of no more than twelve (12) feet in height and located twenty (20) feet from an existing retaining wall in lieu of the four (4) foot maximum height and forty (40) foot separation requirements. ]

SOME OF THESE CHANGES. THEN TO BE BACK FROM THIS BOARD FORMALLY FOR-YEAR-OLD TAKE POSITION ON. DESPITE MY MEMOS A BUNCH OF IDEAS I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING WITH Y'ALL MORE ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE. HANG AROUND FOR THE FENCE PART

OF YOUR PRESENTATION AFTER THE HEARINGS TODAY. >> PERFECT, THANK YOU.

>> THINKING. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ALRIGHT LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM. WHICH IS 730 POND TO BE DONE BOULEVARD TO REQUEST RETAINING WALL NO MORE THAN 12 FEET IN HEIGHT.

BEFORE WE START IF I CAN SEE WHO IS DRIVEN BY OR SPOKEN WITH ANYONE?

>> PARTIALLY A LONG HISTORY OF BOTH 730 POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD AND 102 OVERLOOK

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DRIVE BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S. I'M VERY GOOD FRIENDS OF ELLIE HANS WHO LIVED THERE.

MY YOUNGEST SON, SOME PLAYED SOCCER.'VE BEEN TO THEIR HOUSE SEVERAL TIMES FOR ACTIVITIES. THAT ON ONE OR 2 I'VE KNOWN THE SOUTH FAMILY BACK IN THE EARLY LATE 1990S AND THEN VICKI WINTERS SINCE HE MOVED IN ABOUT 18 YEARS S AGO.

I'VE BEEN TO THEIR HOUSE SEVERAL ERAL TIMES. THE LAST T WEEK ACTUALLY 2 2 WEEKS WE'VE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT AND HOW THAT ZONING PROCESS WORKS FROM NEIGHBORS WHERE HE ADDRESSED THE PROCESS OF THIS MEETING. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE SIDES. BOTH SITES I VISITED IN DETAIL ON SATURDAY.

>> MEAGAN? >> I VISITED THE SITE MEMBER MR. INGRAM COMING IN TALKING TO US ABOUT ANOTHER HOME ON THE BOULEVARD CORRECTING AND EXTENDING THE BACKYARD AND HE EXPRESSED CONCERN TO THAT TIME ABOUT THERE BEING A DOMINO EFFECT AND EVENTUALLY AFFECTING HIS PROPERTY. HE DID DROP OFF A LETTER AT MY HOUSE AND I DID GO BY WHEN EITHER HE OR HIS WIFE WAS THERE AND I WALKED INTO THEIR BACKYARD TO SEE WHAT THE

EXTENSION WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> HAVE NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH ANYONE.

WE DID RECEIVE ALL THE SAME LETTER FROM A 102. DATE OF GIVING THEIR OPINION ON

IT BUT I DID DO A DRIVE-BY. >> ALSO TALKED TO MR. INGRAM, HE CAME BY TO TALK TO ME GAVE ME THE LETTER THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE RECEIVED. THEN I VISITED WELL HIS WIFE WAS THERE IT SHOULD BE INTO THE BACKYARD SHALL BE THE SITUATION ABOUT THE WALL IN THE HEIGHT OF

IT. THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> I VISITED THE SITE AND I DID RECEIVE THE LETTER AND I THINK MR. INGRAM DID CALL AND I WALKED BEHIND THE HOME, BOTH HOMES ACTUALLY. THERE WASN'T ANYBODY THERE. I WENT ANYWAY.

REVIEWED WHAT EXACTLY THE PERSON IS ASKING FOR. THAT'S IT.

>> I SPOKE WITH MR. INGRAM AND VISITED THE SITE. >> THANK YOU.

BRAD? >> OKAY THANK YOU. BRAD WESTER DRIVER MCAFEE.

HAWTHORNE DEPENDED DRIVE, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. I WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT ON THIS MATTER. I DID BECOME A PART OF THIS AND HAVE THE OWNER'S AUTHORIZATION WHO SUBMITTED IT TO THE COUNTY. WITH ME OR HAVE RYAN'S FOR HE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST SO HE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL SIDE.

HIS ORIGINAL APPLICANT AND HE'S GOT EXPERIENCE AND FOR 5 OF THESE MATTERS PERMITTING BULKHEAD AND BACKYARD EXTENSIONS. IN THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT OF POINTE VEDRA . THE OWNERS AND BEEN ÃAND HEARD ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AS WELL. FOR NOW TAKE IT WITH THE PRESENTATION THAT I PREPARED.

I REQUESTED AS YOU KNOW WAS A RELIEF FROM THE POINTE VEDRA ZONING REGULATIONS 8 INTOTOOK CONSTRUCTIVE WALL NO MORE THAN 8 FEET AND 20 FEET EXISTING RETAINING WALL.

12 FEET SEEMS DAUNTING BUT IT IS IN CONTEXT WANT TO GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION.

NUMBER ONE, 12 FEET IS NEEDED TO MATCH EXISTING FOUNDATION ELEVATION.

ALSO THAT PICTURES AND DIAGRAMS. THERE ARE NO IMPACTS TO WETLANDS. DOES IT WILL PREVENT AND STOP SOIL EROSION AND DAMAGE FROM THE SLOPE RUNOFF SHOW THAT AS WELL IN IMAGES. IT DOES PROVIDE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT FOR THE HOME'S FOUNDATION. THERE ARE NONE OF NOTICEABLE CRACKS BECAUSE THE CONSTANT EROSION. FROM THE GRAIN.

IT DOES CREATE A USABLE BACKYARD ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AGAIN NO IMPACT OF WETLANDS AND SIMILAR LANDSCAPE AND SHRUBS WILL BE OUT OF RESCREENING. IT DOES NOT IMPLEAD OR BLOCK IMAGE OR USE OF PROPERTY. OWNERS HAVE AN EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITION WITH THEIR PROPERTY. IT WOULD CAUSE NO HARDSHIP AND NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS NOT CAUSED BY THE ACTION OF THE OWNER.

THEY MOVED THERE IN THE FALL OF 2020. IMPROVEMENT DOES CONFORM TO THE

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GENERAL INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE CODE. IT DOES NOT IMPEDE OR BLOCK VIEWS TO THE WEST ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT CREATE CONGESTION OR HAZARD TO THE PUBLIC. DOES NOT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES OR ALTER CHARACTER OF THE AREA. SHOWN PICTURES ARE CURRENT RETAINING WALLS.

THE WAY THE 2 PROPERTIES ARE STEP BETWEEN THE SIDE YARD AND THEIR SCREENS.

EVERY TREE AND VEGETATION BUFFERS PLANTED BY THE ADJACENT OWNER IN THE REAR GUARD AND IMPROVEMENT DOES NOT EXTEND PAST THE ADJACENT HOUSE. ALL THIS WILL BE EVIDENT IN MY DIAGRAMS. HERE'S A SITE LOCATION. 730 POINTE VEDRA BIRD NOTED THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PROPERTY HERE FRONTING ALONG POINTE VEDRA AND OVERLOOK DRIVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THE LAND OWNED BY THE AUDUBON SOCIETY.

[2. PVZVAR21-02 Manners 176 San Juan Dr. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.M of the Ponte Vedra Zoning Regulations to allow a maximum lot coverage of 42.12% in lieu of the 40% requirement in R-1-B Zoning, in order to accommodate construction of a swimming pool and outdoor living area. ]

CLOSER IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S 1.2 ACRES. OUT TO THE CREEK FLOWING TO THE GUANO. YOU CAN SEE THEY'VE GOT THE CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.

THE UPLANDS, THE HOUSE PATH IS BUILT-UP. THE AUDUBON SOCIETY PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE THE ORIENTATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY COMPARING TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

AGAIN, HERE'S A DEPICTION OF THE ELEVATION TOPO. THIS IS A COUNTY GIS.

YOU CAN SEE THE GREAT DROP OFF. MANY OF YOU VISITED THE SITE YOU CAN SEE THE WAY THE BACKYARD JUST DROPS OFF. THERE REALLY IS NO BACKYARD. THERE'S A HOUSE AND A PORCH AND THEN IT DROPS OFF PRETTY SIGNIFICANT GRADE DOWN TO THE MARSH AREA.

I JUST WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE HOUSE PAD HERE AT 730. HOUSE PAT HERE AT 102 AND THE SIGNIFICANT GRADE SLOPE BACK DOWN. CLOSER UP IMAGE.

THIS IS FROM GOOGLE EARTH. THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HERE.

730. YOU CAN SEE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OF THE REASON PUTTING OUT NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT IS WHO OPPOSING THIS WITH DIRECT ADJACENCY.

YOU CAN SEE THE ORIENTATION OF THE 2 PROPERTIES. 102, THERE PROPERTY, THE ENTIRE YARD IS REAR YARD OF THE HOUSE FOUNDATION IN THE REAR YARD OF 7:30. AS ANOTHER ORIENTATION OF IT YOU CAN SEE THE LUSH LANDSCAPING DORNED WITH VERY MATURE PALM TREES.

BOTH OF THESE HOMES ARE BUILT 1990. YOU CAN SEE THE GROWTH OF THE BUFFERING IN THE VISUAL SCREENING THAT ADORNS 702. ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND THIS IS IN CONTEXT WITH THE OVERALL AREA. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY WORD SLOPES DOWN RIGHT HERE STRAIGHT FROM THE BULKHEAD. THERE'S A PORCH IN THE BACK.

THIS PROPERTY HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE REAR YARD. YOU CAN SEE THE GRASSED AREA.

THIS PROPERTY DID EXTEND. FAVORABLE GOES OUT EXTENDING THE BULKHEAD OUT FOR THE REAR YARD AND STABILIZING HOUSE. YOU CAN SEE THE LUSH VEGETATION, SCREENING AROUND THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY THAT LOOKS OVER THE PRESERVE WESTWARD. HERE IS THE SLOPE. VERY SIGNIFICANT SLOPE.

AGAIN, YOU'VE GOT HVAC UNITS. A LITTLE PORCH AREA. GRAVEL.

THE HOUSE, THERE IS NO REGARD THAT IS USABLE. THE ONLY THING GOING FOR IS ITS UPLINKS FOR ABOUT 22 TO 23 FEET. THEY PLAN TO USE 20 FEET OF IT TO SHORE UP THE BULKHEAD AND WE'VE GOT A MARINE ENGINEER. ESSENTIALLY WAS GOING ON IN THIS NEXT IMAGE SHOWS IT BUT, THERE IS AN EXISTING 4 FOOT RETAINING WALL THAT ISN'T HOLDING THE ENTIRE HOUSE PAD. THIS SOLID WORDING CONSTANTLY. THEY HAVE ROOF DRAINS ITALIAN.

NOT BECAUSE IT'S CONSTANTLY ERODING WITH THE ELEMENTS AND THE WEATHER.

WHAT THEY WANTED TO SHORE UP THE HOUSE TO PREVENT IT FROM FURTHER CRACKING AND FALLING IN AND OF COURSE INCREASE THEIR REAR YARD. HERE SOME EVIDENCE OF SOME OF THE CRACKING GOING ON THAT SETTLING. BACK INTO THE MARSH.

IT'S NOT A SELF-IMPOSED CONDITION THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE LAST FALL.

THIS IS SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT PORTRAYS THE CONTEXT OF THE 2 HOMES NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

THIS IS 730 IN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND 702 ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE HOW THERE'S A MULTITIER RETAINING WALL AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AS BUILT 1990. ONE WAS FIRST ONE WAS THE OTHER. THIS HOUSE AT 730 IS BUILT HIGHER UP.

OVERLOOK DRIVE ASHLEY GOES DOWN, LAND OWNED BY THE AUDUBON SOCIETY.

THIS PROPERTY AT 702 IS DOWN SEVERAL TEARS FROM THE FOUNDATION HOME.

SINCE THEN, THE ENTIRE REAR YARD HAS BEEN A SET OF TIERED RETAINING WALLS, OF FENCE AND LUSH LANDSCAPING. YOU CAN SEE THE PALM TREES. THE LOOK ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE PALM TREES ALL AROUND THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE AND IT WRAPS ENTIRE YARD.

THERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE RETAINING WALL IF ANOTHER RETAINING WALL SETTLING DOWN.

THIS IS THE UPPER TIER. THIS IS THE BOTTOM TIER. 702 IS TO THE RIGHT.

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UP HERE IS WHERE 730S FOUNDATION IS. THEY PLAN TO TIE INTO THIS BULKHEAD AND PILE RIGHT HERE AND EXTENDED OUT 20 FEET. THERE WILL BE ABOUT 4 FEET TO 5 FEET BETWEEN PROPERTY LINE OVER THE BULKHEAD IS. THIS IS A VISUAL OF THE SLOPE.

THERE MATURE PALM TREES THAT ADORN AND WRAP AROUND 702 ALL THE WAY AROUND AS YOU LOOK NORTHWEST AND WEST. HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY AND THIS IS LOOKING TO THE SOUTHWEST. YOU CAN SEE PALM TREES WRAPPING AROUND.

HERE IS THE EDGE OF THE 730S PROPERTY GOES DOWN FROM THE SLOPE.

THIS IS SHOWING SIDE YARD SCREENING OFFENSE. HERE'S A DIAGRAM OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. THE CURRENT RETAINING WALL IS HERE.

FOR MY CURSOR IS. THEY WANT TO EXTENDED OUT 20 FEET.

AGAIN NOT IMPACTING THE WETLANDS. THE 96 FEET ACROSS THE BACK.

OF COURSE THEY WANT TO FILL THAT UP AND MEET WHERE THE EXISTING SIDE EVERY GUARD FOUNDATION IS. SO IT'S ALL SEAMLESS FROM THE FRONT YARD ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE REAR YARD. YOU CAN SEE THE MULTI-RETAINING WALL AND RETAINING ROLE.

YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S BUILT AND ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.

HERE'S A PROFILE OF THE RETAINING WALL ITSELF. IT IS GOING TO BE CALLED A NAVY RETAINING WALL. IT'S A NAVY BULKHEAD IF YOU WILL.

IT'S A CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUE. WE HAVE SALTY DOG MARINE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL DO THE WORK. YOU CAN SEE WHERE PILE GOES DOWN INTO THE GROUND.

YOU'VE GOT TIEBACKS TO HOLD IT BACK. THIS WILL REINFORCE AND SECURE THE FOUNDATION AND PROVIDE A LOT OF PRESSURE WITH THIS BACKFILL.

WITH THE SOIL AND ROCK THAT'S BROUGHT IN. AGAIN, RELIEVING THE SCOUR AND SLOPE EROSION THAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW AND CONSTANTLY OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY.

SO, IT'S MORE OF A FORTIFICATION. THE 12 FEET IS IN CONTEXT OF THIS LOW-GRADE RIGHT HERE COMPARED THE FOUNDATION APPEAR. 20 FEET OF CROSS OUT AND BACKFILLED. THIS IS A DIAGRAM ON THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPERTY LINES. AGAIN 102'S PROPERTY STOPS RIGHT HERE.

HIS AUDUBON LAND..2 ACRES GOES OUT DEVELOPING AN APPLIANCE REPAIR.

THIS IS A 20 FEET EXTENSION FOR THE BULKHEAD. 96 ACROSS.

THIS IS DONE IN GIS ONLINE SO I COULDN'T GET THE MOST PERFECT. YOU GET THAT SENSE OF THE 20 BY 96. AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY WHICH IS 702 OVERLOOK. THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS STILL EXTENDING PAST, WILL PASS THE BULKHEAD IS PLANNING TO BE LOCATED. INCLUDING THE SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. CHANCE A SWEEPING VIEW ONTO THE NORTHWEST AND THE WEST.

WWW.NOT IMPEDE OR BLOCK THE VIEWS. THE AREA BELOW IS THE POOL A COURTYARD AREA. LOOK AT PALM TREES, ALL KINDS OF VEGETATION TRUMPS THAT OUR HEAD HEIGHT OR HIGHER. HERE'S THE CONTEXT OF THE VIEWS.

AGAIN, THE VISTAS THAT ARE STILL FORWARDED BY THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.

TO THE ENTIRE ONE AREA IN THE CREEK IN THE MARSH AND WHATNOT. YOU COULD SEE THE 1.2 ACRE PROPERTY. THE BULKHEAD, THEN THIS WOULD BE OF USE.

WE ARE NOT IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM BLOCKING OR IMPEDING THEIR VIEWS.

FROM THERE PROPERTY INTO THE BACKYARD OF 730. THIS REQUEST HAS NO CONFLICT.

OR NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WILL PROVIDE AND PROTECT THE HOME SITE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IN HIS THE JASON HOMES. THE FORCE OF THE CODE WILL CAUSE UNDUE HARDSHIP AND FULL BENEFIT USE OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE EXTRAORDINARY SITUATION.F COURSE EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITION.

WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORS. INCLUDING MR. MRS. INGRAM. I SAY WE, MY CLIENT IN.

THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS OR ALLOW THE BONDS TO OFFER COMPROMISES ABOUT ADVOCATES GRITTING CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES IN PLAYING. SO, BEGINNING OF THE HOME PURCHASE OF FALL 2020 THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE ISSUES WITH THE PURCHASE OF THIS HOME.

IT OFFER SCREEN SOLUTIONS REGARDLESS OF THAT THEY DO PLAN ON PUTTING A 4 FOOT FENCE AND THEN SHRUBBERY AND HEDGES WHICH ARE ALL ALLOWED PER CODE. WE'VE GOT 7 PROPERTIES AND NEIGHBORS OF SUPPORTIVE US AND DOCUMENTATION THAT I'LL PASS OUT INCLUDING EVERYBODY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. THEY CAN ATTEST TO THE CHARACTER IN THE SITUATION AT HAND WITH THE PROPERTY. 11 THE FULL USE AND BENEFIT OF THE REAR YARD TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND PROVIDE A LIVELIHOOD FOR THE FAMILY AND THEIR CHILDREN.

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THANK YOU. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE WE HAVE OTHER FOLKS HERE TO DISCUSS SO I COULD COME UP TO DISCUSS OR AFTERWARDS.

>> QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD FOR BROWN QUICKBOOKS ALL-STAR. BRENT, THE WAY YOU PRESENTED THIS SOUNDS LIKE EXISTING RETAINING WALL IS FAILING AND THERE IS PROBLEMS WITH IT, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ANOTHER RETAINING WALL

BETWEEN 730 AND 102 HAS BEEN INSPECTED AND IS THAT ADEQUATE? >> I WOULD LET BRIAN SPAHR OR ENVIRONMENT ENGINEER AND WETLAND SCIENTISTS DISCUSSED THAT.

I KNOW THERE ARE TIEBACKS BACK THERE. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME SCOUR EFFECT BECAUSE THAT SIDE YARD IS REALLY PROTECTED BY ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VEGETATION AND TREES WITHIN 702 OVERLOOKING. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

DON'T KNOW I HAVE TO ASK BRIAN. >> IS AN ENGINEERING REPORT THAT THE RETAINING WALL IS FAILING? WAS IT JUST AN OPINION?

>> THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR SALTY DOG CONSTRUCTION HAS COME UP AND DESCRIBED YES, THE REAR BULKHEAD IS THE ONE THAT IS FAILING WHERE THEY WOULD TIE INTO AND PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR

THE HOUSE AND FOUNDATION. >> THE SIDE YARN IS ACTUALLY PROTECTED BY A STAMP OF RETAINING WALLS. WE GOT THE TALL RETAINING WALL AND A LOWER RETAINING WALL THAT'S PROBABLY 6 TO 8 FEET ABOVE NORMAL ELEVATION. YOU COULD ALSO DO THE SAME TYPE

OF THING BEHIND THE HOUSE TO PROTECT THE RETAINING WALL. >> IS REPORTED AS FROM SALTY DOG MARINE THEY NEED THAT BACK PRESSURE WITH ALL THE CUBIC YARDS TO FILL TO COME AGAINST

THE BULKHEAD. >> SO YOU HAVE DIRECTED WHOLE FOOT RETAINING WALL AND 20 FEET

OF DIRT TO PROTECT THE HOUSE? >> YES. >> YES THAT'S WHAT'S REPORTED

TO ME. >> YOU GOT ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIATE THAT

QUINCUNX FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. >> OKAY, THE HOUSE HAS BEEN

THERE FOR 31 YEARS RIGHT? >> SINCE ROUGHLY 1990. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> AND THERE HAS BEEN, CLEARLY THERE'S BEEN SOME DETERIORATION.DETERIORATION WAS MADE WORSE WHEN THE LEE HANDS STRIPPED THE VEGETATION OFF OF THE HILL.

SO PREVIOUS OWNER HAS MADE THE SITUATION WORSE. BY ELIMINATING THE SWAMP AND MARSH VEGETATION. SO, WE'VE GOT THAT ISSUE. PAIN IN CONSTRUCTION AND HAVE BUILT MANY RETAINING WALLS. THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS FEET SIGNS 20 FOOTBALL.

THE FOUNDATION STONE 34 FEET GOES DOWN AT 45 DEGREES ANGLE OF THE PERPENDICULAR ANGLE.

YOU ALSO CONTEND THAT THERE IS NO BLOCKAGE OF THE VIEW FROM 102?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. AGAIN, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RETAINING WALL TO EXTEND IT.

>> AND THEN A 4 FOOT FENCE ON TOP OF IT.WITH A 4 FOOT FENCE MATCH FENCE AND STARTED THEIR

PROGRESS MOST LIKELY. >> THAT'S OPAQUE FENCE. >> IT'S NOT COMPLETELY.

IT'S A PICKET FENCE. >> OKAY I'VE GOT PICTURES. SO YOU'VE GOT A 12 FOOT HIGH WALL WITH A 4 FOOT HIGH ALMOST COMPLETELY OPAQUE FENCE. AND STICKING OUT 20 FEET PAST WHERE THE EXISTING WALL IS. WHEN YOU'RE CONTENDING THIS DOESN'T BLOCK SOME DUES VIEW

WE. >> TO THE EXTENT THAT THE VIEW. >> BE CAREFUL BROWN.

>> THE VIEW FROM THE REAR YARD WILL EXTEND THE SAME. THE BULKHEAD WILL BE PUT UP AND TO THE DEGREE THAT BULKHEAD WILL EXTEND OUT 20 FEET, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE THE SAME

KIND OF RETAINING WALL EXTENDING OUT ONLY 20 FEET. >> ONLY 20 FEET.

>> YES 120 FEET. RELATIVELY SPEAKING COMPARED TO A LENGTH ADJACENT PROPERTY.

IF YOU LOOK HERE IT'S ALL EXITING OUT 20 FEET. WHICH AGAIN, GENERALLY SPEAKING IS ONLY HALF OF THEIR PROPERTY. RETURN T THE PROPERTY IS READY ENCUMBERED BY A RETAINING WALL THAT'S HOLDING UP THE HOUSE AT 730. IN A SENSE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE FULL USE AND BENEFIT AND ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THEIR HOUSE

AND YES, A REAR YARD WILL BE ADDED TO THEIR HOUSE. >> ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE.

THEY CAN ALSO PUT UP A 4 FOOT RETAINING WALL AND MINIMIZE THE SLOPE.

>> I WAS TOLD SALTY DOG MARINE CONSTRUCTION OF THE 4 FOOT RETAINING WALL WOULD NOT WORK.

>> OKAY, I WOULD DISAGREE. I LIKE TO SEE THEIR ENGINEERING REPORT.

ON THE ANKLE OPPOSE AND THE PRESSURE OF THE FOUNDATION AND HOW IT HAS TO GO OUT 27 FEET

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WHEN IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 37 YEARS. SO OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> AND THE ÃJUST MOVE THERE. THEY INHERITED THE CONDITION.

>> THEY ALSO BOUGHT THE HOUSE, RIGHT? AND DID THEY GET AN INSPECTION

OF THE HOUSE BEFORE THEY BOUGHT IT? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY

STANDARD. I DON'T KNOW. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GO HEAD. >> PULLING UP JOHN'S COMMENTS.

I WAS INTERESTED IN THE INSPECTION OF THE HOUSE WHEN THEY PURCHASED IT BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE BUYING SOMETHING, A RETAINING WALL IS A VERY EXPENSIVE ITEM TO REPLACE. I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE INSPECTOR WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM INFORMATION IF IT WAS FAILING AND THEY WOULD NEGOTIATED THAT INTO THE PURCHASE PRICE.

TO KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED? >> I WOULD HAVE TO ASK BEN AND CAROLINE.

WOULD YOU MIND COMING UP? >> I'M GONNA CALL HIM UP AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >> YOU CAN USE THE OTHER MIKE IF YOU WANT.

NO, THE ONE RIGHT. JUST PAST IT. >> MY NAME IS BENJAMIN GRAHAM PERMIT 730 ÃBOULEVARD. DURING THE INSPECTION OF, WE BROUGHT THE PROPERTY CONNECTICUT SIGHT UNSEEN. THIS ON THE INSPECTION REPORT WITH THE PERSON WE KNEW THAT THE BULKHEAD WAS FAILING. THAT'S WHEN WE GOT AN ENGINEER TO TAKE A LOOK THE BULKHEAD SEE HOW WE COULD FIX THE BULKHEAD. THE MULTIPLE ENGINEERS WHO TOLD US THAT THE ENTIRE WEIGHT OF THE HOUSE IS SITTING RIGHT ON THE BULKHEAD THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH THE BULKHEAD BECAUSE OF THE RISK THAT THE ENTIRE FOUNDATION AND HO-HUM WOULD COME DOWN BEHIND IT.

THE SAFEST THING TO GO BACK AND BACK PRESSURE IT PUT THE PRESSURE FROM THE DIRT STUFF WHICH COVERS THE BULKHEAD NOW AND STOPS IT FROM ROTTING AND ALL THAT PRESSURE AND BACK IN SAFEST THING. FURTHER BEGOT THE MORE PRESSURE IT IS.

THINK ABOUT IF YOU KNOW OF ANY HOUSES AND THERE'S A BULKHEAD THE FOR THE BULKHEAD IS FOR THE MORE SAFE THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME IS IN THE SAFE THE WALL IS.

THAT'S WHAT MADE CAROLINE WOULD LIKE WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO THAT AND FIND OUT WE HAVE A VARIANCE WE FOUND OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SAME AND HOW THEY DO THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE SALT THAT CAME INSPECTION WHEN THEY SAID THE WALL WAS FAILING.

>> MY QUESTION WAS DID YOU NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE PRICE OF THE HOUSE DOWN.

>> WE DIDN'T NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE PRICE DOWN BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE WE WERE ALREADY GETTING THE HOUSE AS IS. HAVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE FALL OUT OF THE HOME.

WE HAD AN ACCEPTED OFFER AND THEN DROP DOWN. THE SELLER WAS VERY MOTIVATED TO SELL EVEN SAID LISTING MOTIVATED SELLER THEY SAID THEY WILL TAKE OUR PRICE IF IT IS COMPLETELY ON NAZIS AND THE WORK COULD MAKE NO NEGOTIATIONS WHATSOEVER THE PURCHASE PRICE.

WE'VE ASKED FOR LITTLE ELECTRICAL THING AND THEY SAID NOT A SINGLE THING WILL BE CHANGE. THE HOUSE WAS BOUGHT AS IS. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO NEGOTIATE.

ANOTHER NEIGHBOR FROM US TOLD US THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PREVIOUS OWNERS HAVE SORT OF DROPPED OUT OF THE HOUSES BECAUSE THEY MET OUR NEIGHBOR AND HE TALKED THEM OUT OF IT BECAUSE HE TOLD HER FOR TRYING TO FIX THAT BULKHEAD AND EXTEND THE BULKHEAD ON THE FIGHT YOU AND I KNOW PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND EXCEDRIN. THEY GOT NERVOUS AND HE DROPPED OUT AND LEFT THE HOUSE. AND IT'S WRITTEN IN ONE OF THE LETTERS FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S THE SELLER FROM STOMACH REAL ESTATE AGENT FROM THE SAME THING TO US.

>> MY BACKGROUNDIS IN ENGINEERING AND I DON'T FIND IT BELIEVABLE THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW TO BE FAIR.

>> THEY TOLD US THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH IT BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID ISUZU TOUCH THE

PRESSURE THAT HOUSE WILL COME DOWN. >> I AGREE WE WOULD TEAR THE EXISTING BULKHEAD DOWN. YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN BUILD OUT 20 FEET.

>> THE SAFEST WAY TO PROTECT IT FOR THE LONG RUN SINCE IT'S ARCTIC 30 YEAR BULKHEAD TO FILL IT UP WITH DIRT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT THIS IS WITH ENGINEERS TOLD ME.

WHEN ANY TYPE OF WOOD IS UNDER DIRT IT STOPS ERODING RATING. I GUESS WARD UNDER DIRT CAN LAST MUCH LONGER THAN OTHERWISE. NURSING BECAUSE OF WHAT ITSELF IS ROTTING IT'S NOT JUST BULKHEAD IS FAILING THE WOOD IS ROTTING FROM THE PILINGS FROM THE INSIDE OUT. THE SAFEST THING WOULD BE TO FELT WITH DIRT AND PUT THE

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PRESSURE ON AND STOP IT FROM ERODING FURTHER. >> OKAY, I TO HAVE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ADJACENT TO YOU. I'M ALSO A QUALIFIED URBAN PLANNER AND LAND DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND HAVE BEEN FOR 40 YEARS.

BRAD, YOU SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT YOU'RE TRYING FOR THE CLIENT TO CREATE A SEAMLESS BACKYARD. WHEN IN REALITY THAT SEEMS TO BE A BIG POINT RICHARD TRYING, THAT THE NEIGHBORS TRYING TO CREATE ONE IN FACT HE COULD DO WOULD TEAR IT EFFECT NOW.

RETURN TO BRING IN THE STRUCTURAL THING WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE APPLICATION PACKET THAT I SAW THAT JUSTIFIED IT OTHER THAN THE PERSON WHO'S TRYING TO BUILD A WALL. IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS DONE A TIERED EFFECT. IF YOU LOOK AT HIS HOUSE AND HIS LIVING SPACE, HIS MAIN LIVING SPACE. IT STEPS DOWN TO THE POOL.

I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN YOUR DEFINITION OF USE. SEEM TO BE LIMITING OF USED ONLY CERTAIN PLACEMENT ON THE PROPERTY WHEN IN REALITY IF YOU WERE IN THE POOL AREA YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 12 FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL PLUS A 4 FOOT FENCE SO YOUR 16 FOOT IN ESSENCE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL DUCTS GOING TO COVER A BIG PORTION OF THE POOL AREA.

SAY HE HAS LANDSCAPING. THAT DOESN'T OVER COME. I WILL PLANNER YOUR PLANNER.

YOU KNOW DARN WELL IF YOU HAVE A 16 FOOT ELEVATION DIFFERENTIAL OVER YOUR POOL YOU'VE GOT AND I'M GONNA SAY, QUOTE FOR THE STAFF REPORT. WITH LITTLE OR NO IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY USE. I BEG TO DIFFER. FROM A PLANNER'S PERSPECTIVE YOU HAVE AN IMPACT. THIS IS A LARGE IMPACT. IT'S INTERFERING WITH THE BACKYARD OF YOUR NEIGHBOR. WHICH IS THE POOL. WHICH IS AT A LOWER ELEVATION THAN ITS HOUSE. I STILL CONTEND AND I'M NOT ENGINEERS ALL DEFER TO PEOPLE WITH ENGINEERING BACKGROUNDS. BUT, THIS BUSINESS IMPACT PRESSURING CAN ALSO BASED ON MY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE BE HANDLED BY OTHER STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING SOLUTIONS.

YOU JUST HAVEN'T PURSUED THEM. THE BUSINESS ABOUT THE EROSION YOU MENTIONED EROSION SEVERAL TIMES. THAT COULD BE EASILY COPED WITH AND YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT.

THEY COULD BE COPED WITH TIERED EFFECTS, KEROSENE, OTHER MEANS TO DO IT.

HE ALSO COULD GET IN THIS IS, USE THIS TERM, A USABLE BACKYARD.OU COULD GET A USABLE BACKYARD. YOU CAN GET IT EASILY BY DOING A TIERED STEP APPROACH IN YOUR BACKYARD. YOU JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT. HE WANTS TO GO-AHEAD AND TAKE IT STRAIGHT OFF FROM THE HOUSE 20 FEET AND THEN DROP IT DOWN. ALSO, IT WAS SCOLDED THAT THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO CASES AT 654, 692, 724 AND 726. NONE OF THOSE HOUSES HAVE THE CIRCUMSTANCE. NONE OF THEM. THEY ALL HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY ARE SIMILAR IF YOU GO ON UP THE BOULEVARD. NONE OF THEM HAVE A BACKUP THAT SUDDENLY HAS A HOUSE IN A BACKYARD BACKING INTO THIS EXTENSION.

THERE BACKYARD TO BACKYARD. ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER. SOME, I CONTEND TO WHAT THE OTHER 2 SPEAKERS SAYING. THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS. YOU JUST DIDN'T PURSUE THEM.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU TOOK ONE SOLUTION AND YOU'VE RUN WITH IT.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE. >> CAN I JUST SAY 2 WORDS, 2 SENTENCES?

>> LET ME JUMP IN HERE. THE 12 FEET IS KIND OF OUT OF CHARACTER CONTACTS.

THE 12 FEET SOUTHBOUND GREEN. THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HAS A FENCE AND LANDSCAPING.

LOOKING UP AT THE TIERED EFFECT FOR THE FOUNDATION IS YOUR ONLY LOOKING UP ANOTHER 6 TO 8 FEET TOTAL. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE FROM THE VISUAL LINE STRAIGHT UP 12 FEET OFF OF THEIR FENCE LINE FROM THE VIEW. AND THEY'RE ALREADY A NUMBER OF MATURE PALM TREES AND VEGETATION IN THE TIERED LANDSCAPING.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU THE BENEFIT OF DOING THIS METHODOLOGY DOES PROVIDE A BACKYARD. IT DOES PROVIDE THE BENEFIT OF THE FULL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY IN THE UPLANDS. HERE 1.2 ACRES. THEY'RE NOT ASKING TO IMPACT

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THE WETLANDS. IN FLORIDA CASE LAW DOES SAY OBSTRUCTED VIEW DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A LEGALLY RECOGNIZABLE INTEREST. IT DOESN'T.

THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO CLAIM A VIEW THROUGH OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WE HAVE NOT BLOCKED THEIR VIEWS. THE VIEWS ARE NOT DIRECTLY INTO THE BACKYARD PERPENDICULAR FOR THE PLAY AREA. THE VIEWS ARE TO THE NORTHWEST INTO THE WEST. THEY'VE GOT PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE AUDUBON SOCIETY ALL TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY. A LOOK ACROSS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE AUTOBAHNS TO THE NORTHWEST. THERE'S NOTHING IN FLORIDA CASE LAW THAT PROTECTS THEIR VIEWS. OUR CLIENT IS ALLOWED TO SHORE UP THEIR PROPERTY AND HOW FULL USE AND BENEFIT OF THEIR LAND INCLUDING THE UPLANDS WITH LIMITED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

40 TRYING TO NEGOTIATE. WE WILL ADD SCREENING JUST LIKE THE TIERED EFFECT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW. WERE NOT TAKING UP THEIR ENTIRE YARD.

IF I MAY SHOW YOU. THIS VIEW, THE 20 FEET SHOULD BE USED IN CONTEXT TO THE OVERALL RETAINING WALL THAT IS HOLDING UP THIS ENTIRE HOUSEBOUND.

IT DOESN'T EXTEND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY LINE.

THIS ENTIRE NORTHWEST AREA IS WIDE OPEN UNTOUCHED AS IS. WE HAD MADE NO IMPROVEMENTS THERE WHATSOEVER. WERE NOT TRYING TO TAKE THAT AWAY IN TERMS OF THE VISTAS IN THEIR VIEWS. I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE 12 FEET SEEMS OUT OF CONTEXT AND CHARACTER WHEN IT'S NOT 12 FEET FROM THE VIEWPOINT IN THEIR BACKYARD STRATA.

IT'S JUST A SEAMLESS RETAINING WALL THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW STRAIGHT OUT.

WITHOUT QUESTION IT DOES PROVIDE FULL USE AND BENEFIT OF THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY GET A BACKYARD OUT OF SHORING UP INTO DOING TIEBACKS AND TIERED APPROACH FOR ANY OTHER ENGINEERING ASPECTS. THIS IS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.

INSTEAD OF HAVING KIDS PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD OR ENJOY EVERYTHING PURELY FRONT YARD THEY GET TO HAVE A BACKYARD AS WELL AND PROTECT HER HOUSE. SO WERE NOT TRYING TO COVER THEM UP BUT, THE FACT IS IF YOU GET A BACKYARD AND SHARP THE HOUSE THEN I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO. FLORIDA CASE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW THEIR VIEW ACROSS OUR PROPERTY.

>> WHAT I SAID SHE COULD GET A BACKYARD. YOU CAN GET IT IN A TIERED

EFFECT. RIGHT? >> OF THE LEVEL.

A LOWER LEVEL. >> YOU CAN GET A BACKYARD. >> AGAIN THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND THE GC TO SAY IS A STEP DOWN TIERED EFFECT FOR A BACKYARD WORK? I'M SORRY I'M NOT THE ONE TO MAKE THAT CLAIM OR MAKE THAT CASE STUDY.

NOT AN ENGINEER. WE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO COME BACK AND PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU WITH THAT CREDIBLE EVIDENCE OF THE BACKFILL AND THE TIEBACKS AND

EVERYTHING. >> WE ASKED FOR THAT ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE STEP DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE INITIALLY THINK ABOUT DOING. DEGENERES SAID HE WOULD BE STILL EXPOSED HIM ROTTING THE SECOND BULKHEAD AND STILL COME UP WITH A FIX THE PROBLEM WE WANT. WE WANTED TO PROTECT THE HOME AND THE FOUNDATION OF THE HOME.

THAT'S REASON WE DIDN'T DO THE TIER SYSTEM. ENGINEERS THEMSELVES WERE THE ONES TOLD US NOT TO DO IT AND CONVINCE US NOT TO BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE WE JUST NEED THE SECOND LEVEL THERE.

>> TRY TO BE CONSCIOUS AND THEY BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER.

AT LEAST TRY TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. THEY UNDERSTAND LOOKING DOWN INTO THEIR PROPERTY EVEN MORE BY 20 EXTRA FEET THEY ARE SENSITIVE TO THEM.

THAT'S MOTHER OFFERED LANDSCAPING JUST LIKE IT EXISTS ALONG THE RETAINING WALL AROUND

THE >>> OF THE ENVELOPE OF THE HOUSE. IF YOU SEE IN THIS DIAGRAM AND THIS PROFILE IS A GREEN SYSTEM, HERE'S A 4 FOOT EXISTING RETAINING WALL RIGHT THERE.

THE SITE PLAN YOUR ONLY GOOD ESSAY FROM SITE LINE THIS RIGHT HERE GOING OUT.

FROM THE FENCE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING BACK THERE. ON 702'S PROPERTY WHEN YOU'RE STANDING IN THE BACKYARD LOOKING AT A ROW OF HEDGES THAT ABOUT HEAD HEIGHT BECAUSE YOUR VIEWPOINT IS UP THERE WITH THE TOE BONE. NOT LOOKING DOWN ANY MARSH.

NOT LOOKING DOWN AT A CREEK CAN CROSS THE QUANTITY AND ISOTOPE UP AS HIS BACKUP TO SAWGRASS POLICY ALL DAY LONG THAT'S WHAT LOOKS LIKE. THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED TO LOOK DOWN INTO THE REAR YARD OF 730 BUT, WERE TRYING TO, THEY STILL GET THE FULL BENEFIT OF HAVING NORTHWEST AND ALL WESTERLY VIEWS. UNINHIBITED.

>> LET'S KEEP MOVING. >> CAN SAVE LESS THING. CONCERN STEP DOWN AND WE HAVE A DAUGHTER WITH SIBLINGS. HER CONCERN IS THAT APPARENTLY DELAY HANS HUBBARD LIVED IN OUR HOUSE BEFORE HIM HAD KIDS ALSO AND ACROSS THE STREET NEIGHBOR TOLD US HE'S ALWAYS VERY

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CONCERNED THAT SOME OF MY GET HURT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PLAY IN THE BACKYARD THEREAFTER THE FRONT YARD. THE KIDS DID PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD AND WHEN THE KIDS GOT HIT BY A CAR AND HAD TO BE HELICOPTER TO THE HOSPITAL AND SUFFERS FROM BRAIN DAMAGE.

WITH THE KIDS SPECIAL NEEDS OF WOODMONT HAVING STEP DOWNS. FORGET THE FACT FOR THE STABILITY OF THE OME IS THE BEST OPTION. ALSO FOR HER SAFETY I WOULD WANT, WE HAVE EVIDENCE IN OUR PROPERTY THAT THIS IS HAPPENED IN KIDS OF GOTTEN HIT PLAY IN

THE FRONT YARD. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IT. >> POINT TAKEN, THANK YOU.

JOHN?> ABOUT COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE ON MAX LEANNE DID HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS I THINK IS AUTISTIC. HIS MOTHER AND MAX WERE WALKING THEIR DOG AND ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY HEADING NORTH. THE DOG GOT AWAY.

THE CHILD CHASED THE DOG AND RAN OUT IN FRONT OF THE CAR. HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE

REASONS WHY >>> INGRAM MADE SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON POINTE VEDRA.

YOU CAN THANK >>> FOR HAVING SIDEWALKS. ANOTHER ISSUE MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON IN THE BACKYARD PRIOR TO THE LANDSCAPING OF THE POOL. YOU WALK IN THE BACKYARD OF 102 AND ALL YOU SAW WAS THIS MASSIVE BIG RETAINING WALL. I THINK IT'S LIKE 10 FEET TALL THERE. MAYBE I'M GETTING SHORTER MY OLD AGE.

ALL YOU LOOK AT AND I REMEMBER GOING BACK PERCENT WERE IN THE WORLD ANONE WOULD BUY THIS

HOUSE WITH THAT NASTY LOOKING RETAINING WALL THERE. >>> ADVOCATE OVER THE YEARS HAVE DONE A VERY EXTENSIVE JOB OF LANDSCAPING THE BACKYARD SO YOU DON'T SEE THE RETAINING WALL THAT WATCH. IT'S INTERESTING YOU'RE USING THAT AGAINST THEM ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LIVING THEIR VIEW TO THE NORTH. THEY WERE VERY BEAUTIFUL VIEW TO THE NORTH AND THROUGH THE NORTH ITS MARSHLAND IS VERY LOW MARSHLAND.

IT'S A HIGH TREES. TO THE WEST IT'S VERY HARD TREES.

IN ORDER TO HAVE A VIEW TO THE WEST THEY WOULD HAVE TO CLEAR PART OF THE PROPERTY WHICH OBVIOUSLY FOR CAMP BECAUSE IT'S WETLANDS. THE ONLY REAL VIEW THEY HAVE IS TO THE NORTH AND NORTH NORTHWEST. ESPECIALLY FROM THE POLE AND IF YOU SAT ON OUR HIGHER AREA OF THE POLE THEY HAVE VERY GOOD VIEW.

PARKS ARE AWARE. HOLDING THEM AGAINST THEM.THEY LANDSCAPED THE RECORD.

>> NOT AT ALL. WHAT I'M SAYING THEY IN A SENSE HAVE SELF-IMPOSED OVERVIEW LIMITATIONS ADDING ALL THAT BUFFERING SCREENING. THE HOUSES WERE BUILT BECAUSE OF THE TOP UPGRADES IN HAND. YOU GOT TO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. WE'VE GOT THE LOTS ON POINTE VEDRA A AND THE ONES THAT WERE ENGINEERED OVER THE. AS SUCHAN UNLIKELY SOAPSTONE.

THE HOUSES S WERE BUILT IN 2 DIFFERENT DES. THERE ALWAYS BEEN A RETAINING WALL THERE. AND IT WAS ADDED AFTER THE FACT.

I WOULD DO THE EXACT SAME THING. I WOULDN'T SCREENING A BUFFERING TO BLOCK THE RETAINING WALL IN THE HOUSE IS LOOKING DOWN.

BUT, I'M SORRY BUT, IT'S CLEAR AND EVIDENT THE FLORIDA CASE LAW AND ALSO WITH THIS FOR THE RECORD, OKAY. A CLAIM OF OBSTRUCTED VIEW DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A LEGALLY RECOGNIZABLE INTEREST. ITS ASSETS. THAT'S ACROSS PRIVATE PROPERTY.

>> YOUR REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO BUILD A WALL ABOVE WATER ZONING ALLOWS.

RIGHT? >> THAT'S RIGHT SARAH. >> YOUR REQUESTING A VARIANCE

OF THE VARIANCE HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SOMEONE'S PROPERTY. >> I DISAGREE.

>> OKAY. THAT'S LIFE. ALSO SINCE ABOUT ON THE BOARD WE'VE HAD 3 IF NOT 4 DIFFERENT VARIANCES FOR RETAINING WALLS. CHANGING FROM 4 FEET TO 12 FEET OR WHATEVER. 728 724 THIS MORNING UP IN THE 6 OF ABOUT.

>> -73 ADJUSTABLE LAST NOVEMBER. >> ALL OF THEM WERE IN GENERAL ALIGNMENT WITH THE EXISTING SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS. THE PROPERTY I THINK AT 726 PHAPPENS TO BE THE ONLY ONE THA BUMPS WAY OUT INTO THE MARSHLAND AND THAT WAS BUILD PROBABLY I THINK IT WAS 19 85 OR 86. AND MAYBE OUR CODES WORK IS IN EXISTENCE. BUT ONCE ONLY ONE ONLINE THE CURRENT BULKHEAD GIVE OR TAKE A

FEW FEET AT 730. >> I UNDERSTAND. IF YOU LOOK IN CONTEXT WITH THE OTHERS I KNOW THIS IS A VERY SITE-SPECIFIC REQUEST. IF THE PROPERTY SPEKAER THAT HAVE BULKHEADS AND YOUR REARGUARD EXTENSIONS. VERY SIMILAR IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATION AND TOPOGRAPHY. HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE IT TRAILS DOWN IN A SIGNIFICANT GRAY DROP TO THE MARSH AREA. THIS MORNING OBVIOUSLY HAS ITS OWN SITE MERITS WHERE IT'S

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PUTTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OVERLOOK. BUT CLEARLY, MITIGATED MEASURES CAN BE PUT FORTH SO SOMEBODY ISN'T STARING DOWN TO THE PBACKYARD AND OR PROVIDES THE SAME EXACT FIELD FOR 20 FEET ALONG THE REAR BULKHEAD. OCTOBER ASKING FOR.

NOT ASKING TO COVER UP THEIR PART ENTIRE PROBABLY LENGTH ANYTHING.

ALL THE BEES AROUND THE NORTHWEST AND WEST. HER STATUS DIRECTLY TO THE WEST ARE LOOKING AT THEIR BULKHEAD THE WEIGHT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHERE I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE UPHELD IN THE COURTS AND THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK DIRECTLY WEST PERPENDICULAR STRAIGHT OUT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BULKHEAD OF THE HOUSE. THE NORTHWEST IS WHERE THE VIEWS ARE.

>> TO ME DIRECTLY NORTH? >> LET'S KEEP MOVING. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE OUNDING ING APPEARANCES WE NEED TO MAKE POSSIBLE FINDINGS. IN ONE AREA ONE AREA OF THE PROPOSED STUDENT VARIANCE WILL NOT DIMINISH PROPERTY VALUES IN OR ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREA SURROUNDING THE SITE. I WOULD JUST COME I ARGUE BUT I WANT TO MENTION THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE A CONSIDERATION.

>> I AGREE HUNDRED PERCENT. THE VIEWS OF NORTHWEST AND WEST ARE STILL PROTECTED.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> ON THE SUBJECT TO THE FACT THAT INSTEAD IF YOU WANTED TO SAY SITE LANDS GO-AHEAD WITH PLAN COMPATIBILITY.UT THEM IN A MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE. FORGET THE SIGHTLINES, FORGET THAT POT, COMPATIBLE. YOU HAVE A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT YOU DID NOT HAVE ON THESE OTHER VARIANCES. THIS IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. OR SOMEWHAT UNIQUE.

I'M SURE IT HAPPENED A COUPLE OF THE PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE A HOUSE THAT YOU WANT EXTENT OF THE BACK YOUR BACKING UP TO SOMEONE'S BACKYARD. OKAY? THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. IT'S A LAND USE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE.FORGET THE SIGHTLINES ISSUE. I STILL THINK INSIGNIFICANT. AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE A COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. IF YOU STAND THAT BACKYARD NEXT DOOR AT THE POOL YOU'RE GOING TO BE STARING UP SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 16 FEET. THAT'S WHERE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD IS GOING TO BE. OKAY? TO ME THAT'S A LAND USE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE. SLAMMING UP TO EACH OTHER. IT COULD BE SOLVED WITH A STRIPPED-DOWN EFFECT ON THE BACKYARD. THE APPLICANT FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS I FEEL FORM IF THEY HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW JESUS, WHEN HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE DIDN'T ANY OF THIS OCCUR TO THEM? THAT THIS COULD BE A REAL ISSUE. IT OBVIOUSLY WAS BECAUSE HE'S DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE. BUT, AT THE END OF THE DATE YOU HAVE A LAND USE COMPATIBILITY CLASH HERE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN PELEVATION CLASH. BASED ON MY YEARS AND YEARS OF EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE THAT SUBSTANTIAL ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2 LOTS AND THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AS ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBER SAID.OU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. OKAY? THAT PUTS YOU IN ANOTHER KIND OF BALLPARK. YOUR HAVING TO ASK PERMISSION TO VARY ON SOMETHING.

AND YET YOU'RE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU HAVE A CLASH OF COMPATIBILITY.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? >> BRAND YOU'VE GOT A TOUGH POSITION HERE. IF I HEAR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS CORRECTLY I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUE WITH YOUR TOPIC. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY HAS AN ISSUE WITH THE RETAINING WALL OTHER THAN THE HEIGHT. CERTAINLY I AGREE WITH THEM ON THE STEP DOWN. OR THAT STEP DOWN NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND HOW HIGH THAT IS, IS PROBABLY THE GRAY AREA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THE INDOLENCE BACKYARD WHEN I WAS BACK THERE CERTAINLY, I'M GONNA CALL IT TO THE WEST OF THEIR POOL THEY'VE GOT A FAIRLY HIGH LANDSCAPE ALREADY. SO, ASKING FOR 4 FEET VERSUS 12 FEET THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM IN THEIR TO PLAY WITH AND CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SEQUENTIAL ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BACK. IF YOU WERE ASKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE FOR 12 FEET WHERE THERE'S ALREADY BUT YOU'VE GOT A POOL AND YOU'VE GOT A HEIGHT.

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YOU KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY SOME ROOM THERE. IN STEPPING CLOSER DOWN TO THE CORNER CERTAINLY SEEMS TO BE WITH THE ISSUE IS. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND GO ON CERTAINLY THE VALUE HERE WOULD BE IMPACTED.

THIS WALL BEHIND US IS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH THE FENCE AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PART OF THE MMC ARE TO USE. I GOT YOUR ARGUMENT, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF YARD LEFT.

THAT'S WHY THE DRIVEWAY IT'S NOT REALLY WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY USING I WOULD ARGUE THIS AFFECTS THEIR VALUE. I THINK YOU KNOW YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER PULLING THIS MORNING AND TALKING AND COMING BACK CERTAINLY WAS SOME ENGINEERING AND MAYBE A

DIFFERENT IDEA. >> WE COULD DO THAT. WANT TO REITERATE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AT 102 WHEN YOU LOOK OUT OVER THE HEDGES. YOUR LOOKING TOWN.

THAT'S FOR THE 12 FOOT GRADE STARTS. EVERYBODY THANKS YOU'RE AT THE FOUNDATION ELEVATION OF THE POLE AT 702 GOING 12 FEET STRAIGHT UP.

THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I'M GLAD YOU GUYS WENT OUT LOOKED AT IT.

IF YOU LOOKED AT IT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. HE LOOKED DOWN AT THE 12TH HE STARTS DOWN THERE BY A GOOD 6 TO 7 FEET. SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE FOR 20 FEET EXACTLY WHAT THEY SEE RIGHT NOW WITH THE STRUCTURE FOUNDATION.

WE ARE WILLING TO, I KNOW SOME FOLKS WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK AS WELL SO I COULD TALK TO MY CLIENTS AND WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN REHASH IT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE OPPOSITION DIDN'T WANT TO TALK OR NEGOTIATE ABOUT ANY TIERED EFFECT OR ANYTING LIKE THAT.

IT COULD BE IN PLAY FOR COMPROMISE. MAYBE WITH YOU GUYS AS

MEDIATORS WE COULD GET THERE. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> THOMAS INGRAM. >> WILL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS ON THOMAS INGRAM WITH LAW FIRM OF SOLOMON INGRAM 233 B STREET SUITE 113 JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. A MILLENNIALIST ATTORNEY AND BEEN PRACTICING FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY SINCE 1999. I DON'T NORMALLY DO POINTE VEDRA BUT IN THE CASE OF MY AUNT AND UNCLE I WAS GLAD TO HELP THEM. MY AUNT AND UNCLE VICKI ON THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPERTY @ ISSUE. WANT TO SEE A COUPLE THINGS.

AS A GENERAL BASIS HAVE NOT MET THE STANDARDS FOR VARIANCE NOT EVEN CLOSE.ERMS OF REQUIRED FINDINGS. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THERE ARE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES IN CARRYING OUT THE LETTER OF THE REGULATION. YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY EVIDENCE FROM ANY ENGINEER ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS THE ONLY FEASIBLE SOLUTION.

THERE MAY WELL BE OTHERS. THERE BEEN 3 REASONS ADVANCED IN THE APPLICATION FOR THIS VARIANCE TO PREVENT FIRST TO PREVENT FURTHER DAMAGE TO THE FOUNDATION.

THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD THAT'S COMPETENT TO SUGGEST THE FOUNDATION IS AT RISK. NORMALLY YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE IF SOMEONE ADVANCES THAT KIND OF RECOMMENDATION YOU EXPECT TO SEE SOME ACTUAL STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING WORK.

AND MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FOUNDATION CRACKS AND SLAB ON GRADE PROPERTY IS NOT UNUSUAL. IT'S NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST IF THERE WERE FOUNDATION CRACKS THE ONLY SOLUTION WAS TO BASICALLY PUT A 12 FOOT HIGH BULKHEAD ACROSS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THAT IS SUCH AN EXTREME. IS TRYING TO KILL THEM OUT WITH THE SLEDGEHAMMER KIND OF THING. SO, SECOND IS TO PREVENT INEVITABLE EROSION PROBLEMS. I FOUND INTERESTING OF SCALPER IN MY EXPERIENCE IN TELLING WITH BRIDGE ISSUES.

SCOUR IS UNDERWATER EROSION WHERE YOU HAVE A BRIDGE OR OTHER UNDER WATER BULKHEAD THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE HERE IS ONE OF YOUR BOARD MEMBERS POINTED OUT.

THE HOME HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1990. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WITH AN EMINENT EROSION ISSUE. THIS IS ALL ON LAND. SECOND, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS AN EROSION ISSUE THEY HAVE NOT ESTABLISHED THAT. THERE NEEDS TO BE 20 FOOT WIDE AND 12 FOOT HIGH BULKHEAD. WHERE CHILDREN CONCEIVED UNIFIED THE RECORD THE HOMEBUILDER WHO CHASE HAD A LIMITED DEPTH LOT. I CHOSE TO CITE THE HOME ON THE FAR WEST END TO PROVIDE FOR BASICALLY MAXIMUM SPACE BETWEEN A 1A OR POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD OR THE HOME. IT AFFORDED THEM A LARGER PART FRONT YARD THAN THEY OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE. THE OWNER WHO MOVED HERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY MOVED HERE

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BUT THEY CLOSED THE HOME IN OCTOBER 2020. THAT IS A SELF-IMPOSED TO MOVE TO A SITE AND THEN ARGUE. IF I COULD HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES.

>> MCRITCHIE MORE TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE YOU NEED.

TRY TO MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU DESERVE MORE THE 3 MINUTES.

>> THINK IT WAS HER CHAIR. I PROVIDED SLIDES TO PETER. DO YOU HAVE THOSE FROM LAST WEEK? NO? I DON'T INTEND TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM. I JUST WANTED TO SHOW A COUPLE. BASICALLY, WHILE HE'S LOOKING THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE FROM WHAT IS THERE TODAY THAT POINTE VEDRA OVERLAY HAS A SET OF RULES THAT EVERYONE HAS TO ABIDE BY. AMONG THEM ARE THINGS LIKE HEIGHT LIMITS AND FENCE LIMITS AND BULKHEAD LIMITS. WERE NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT CASE LAW INTERVIEW. I KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS IN POINTE VEDRA AND YOU CAN ONLY HAVE A 4 FOOT HIGH BULKHEAD. IF YOU WANT TO SEEK A VARIANCE YOU HAVE A LOT OF CRITERIA WHICH SIMPLY HAVE NOT BEEN MET HERE. FINALLY IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY VALUE WILL HAVE MET RAY COMING TO SPEAK ABOUT PROPERTY VALUE EFFECT ON THIS ON INGRAM'S. THIS IS SIMPLY A SELF-IMPOSED HARDSHIP.

TO DESIRE TO ACT WITH OUT REGARD TO THE BULKHEAD REGULATIONS THAT EXIST TODAY.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS AND I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF MY COMMENTS WERE ALREADY MADE BY SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> AS I PICTURE THE BACKYARD. >> YES IF I CAN GO TO THE LAST SLIDE.

SO THIS IS INGRAM'S BACKYARD. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THEY ARE ON THE LEFT.

THIS VICKI WINTERS. SHE STANDING THERE WITH A 12 FOOT HIGH BOARD JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET WEST FROM THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE THERE. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW HIGH IT IS WERE TALKING ABOUT.

THIS IS AN EXTREME PROPOSAL AND IS NOT KEEPING WITH THE CODE OR THE STANDARDS OF THE VARIANCE.

PWE DID DO SOME PHOTO SHOPPING HERE. I JUST SAY, THEY CERTAINLY WORK TO TRY TO KEEP IT TRUE TO SCALE. THAT IS A 12 FOOT HIGH BOARD

THERE. OKAY, THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU. >> MET RAY.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> MAP RATE, 61 WATER BRIDGE

PLACE. >> HONORABLE ESTATE APPRAISER. I HAVE CONTROL RATE REAL ESTATE. A LOT OF WHAT I DO IS BEFORE-AND-AFTER SITUATIONS.

THERE'S A SITUATION SOMETHING HAPPENS AND IT CHANGES. I WORK WITH MR. BUSTER A LOT.

BASED ON MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION I THINK THERE WILL BE A VERY BIG REDUCTION OF VALUE TO

THE HOME OF THE BUILDING. PARKS THANK YOU. >> BELK INGRAM.

>> SO THIS IS BELK INGRAM VICKI WINTERS. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> VICKI WINTERS 102 OVER THE DRIVE. >> ON BELK INGRAM 102 OVERLOOK

DRIVE POINTE VEDRA BEACH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN SCOTT AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS VICKI WINTERS AND I MARRIED TO THOMAS BELK INGRAM AND WE RESIDE OF 102 OVERLOOK DRIVE. LONG-TERM RESIDENTS OF POINTE VEDRA HAVING LIVED WITHIN MST FOR 33 YEARS. WE'VE LOOKED AT THE'S CURRENT RESIDENT SINCE 2003 PRETEEN YEARS. WE ARE OPPOSED TO THE REQUESTED VARIANCE IS REFILLED HIGH DIFFERENTIAL OF THE BULKHEAD ON THE PROPERTY OCTOBER 30 PARLEIR BOULEVARD WILL SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE ENJOY OUR POOL AREA WHICH INCLUDES ENTERTAINING FRIENDS,

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CHILDREN GRANDCHILDREN. THE PROPOSED BULKHEAD WILL BE WITHIN 6 FEET OF OUR DINING AREA, LAUNCHING AREA THE SHALLOW END OF OUR POOL THE CHILDREN PLAY.

AS THE SUN MOVES NORTH IN THE SUMMER THESE AREAS WILL VERY LIKELY BE HIGHLY SHADED BY THIS BULKHEAD. WE ALSO FEEL THE PROPOSED BULKHEAD WILL GREATLY DIMINISH OUR PROPERTY VALUE AS ATTESTED TO BY MATT RAY. WE BASE THIS ON BELK 16 YEARS OF REAL ESTATE ACTIVITY IN THE POINTE VEDRA AREA. HE SEES WAS GOING ON THE AREA AND HOW THIS COULD GREATLY AFFECT OUR PROPERTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. LIKE TO ADD SAW THIS COMING G 724 ASKED FOR A VARIANCE AND THEY GOT IT MAYBE 12 OR 15 FEET. THEN N THE HOUSE NEXT TO HEM, 726, FIRST AND 24 I THINK IT WAS DECEMBER 17 I PUT IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT VARIANCE HEARING AND STATED I DID NOT WANT THAT TO BE SET A PRECEDENT AND THEN I COULD SEE IT COMING ON DOWN. AND IT'S GONNA SWALLOW ME WHOLE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR LISTENING TO OUR ARGUMENT. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTION. 730 PROPOSED APPROXIMATELY 5 OR 6 FOOT RETAINING WALL AND ENDED UP WITH A PLAY AREA LOCATED AT A LOWER LEVEL THAT WOULD NOT BLOCK YOUR VIEW.

SO SAY THE TOP OF THE FENCE AROUND THE RETAINING WALL FOR APPROXIMATELY THE HEIGHT OF YOUR EDGES. SO YOUR CURRENT VIEW WOULD NOT BE CHANGED IN WHICHEVER MANNER,

WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THAT? >> IF THE TOP OF THE FENCE WAS SAYING AROUND WHERE MY HEDGES

ARE. >> YES, IT'LL BE ABOUT 6 FEET TALL.

THE TOP OF THEIR FENCE BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE SOMETHING TO FALL OFF THE BACK.

IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY THE TOP OF YOUR HEDGES. I COULD SLIP THE YARD UP A LITTLE BIT TO GIVE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THEIR CONDITION AND HAVE NO EFFECT ON REVIEW AND

WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE FROM US BUT NOT AFFECT YOU. >> WE WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THAT. WITH THAT TO SAY THAT WE WERE PRETTY MUCH TALKED THE WIFE CAME OVER WE WERE GETTING A LETTER FOR VARIANCE. THEN THEY CAME OVER WEEK LATER AFTER WE GOT THE VARIANCE WE SAID, I TOLD THEM WE OPPOSE AND IT WAS UNACCEPTABLE TO US.

THEY ASKED US FOR COMPROMISE. THIS ON OUR POSITION AS THEIR COMPROMISE TO GIVE US COMPROMISE. QUICK SOMEONE INTERJECTED WE WERE NOT OFFERED OTHER OPTIONS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT A LOSS. HERE'S A VARIANCE AND WE'VE GOT

TO MANAGE THROUGH IT SO THAT'S WHAT WERE DOING. >> THE WILL TAKE THIS AND PUT IT ON THE CIRCLE FOR A TO SEE. IF THAT AREA AND READ ÃLINES WERE LOWERED TO YOUR HITCHHIKE SOMETHING ALONG THAT DESIGN, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I LIKE TO ADDRESS IT IF A CHEMISTRY CHAIR.OF COURSE WILL THAT.

I JUST CAUTION YOU AND I SEE THIS HAPPEN A LOT MY PRACTICE THAT THE ENGINEERING FROM THE DAIS AND YOU KNOW IF THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL AND MAYBE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR ENGINEERS LOOK AT IT SO WE DON'T DO SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP NOT WORKING FOR ANYBODY.

BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> ONE COULD RECOMMEND TO THE APPLICANT IS TO CONSIDER COMING BACK BECAUSE IF WE PUT ON THIS AND THEY LOSE THEIR VARIANCE THAN THEY CAN DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR HELP. I OFTEN GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER COMING BACK TO THIS BOARD WITH THE REVISION. RYING TO GIVE THEM SOME IDEAS OF WHAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE TO

YOU. >> I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER IDEA. YOU CAN COMBINE THE 2 IDEAS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO DO IN ALL RESPECT FOR BROWN IS THAT IF THE GROOMS WOULD AGREE TO SIT DOWN, THERE SEEMS TO BE A WALL BUILT-UP AND NO PUN INTENDED HERE THAT YOU WON'T NEGOTIATE.

IF YOU SIMPLY AGREE TO MAY BE CONTINUE THIS AND SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THE APPLICANT WITH MR. WESTER AND TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT THINK IT WILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING OR SUGGESTING A DELAY OR CONTINUANCE BECAUSE

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EVERYBODY IS AT LEAST WILLING TO SIT DOWN ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR NEPHEW, IT'S WONDERFUL ADVICE. SIMPLY STEP BACK, DON'T TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION HERE.

SIMPLY AGREE TO SIT DOWN AND TRY TO WORK OUT A COMPROMISE. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION THIS IS A LEGITIMATE HARDSHIP AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE BACKYARD OF 715.

THAT RIGHT IS ONLY GOOD UNTIL IT STOPS ON YOUR RIGHTS. PLEASE WEEK STEPS ON YOUR RIGHT AND I THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM INCLUDING BRAD WESTER. THEY LIVED AT 102 AND SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE BACKYARD THERE'S ANYONE IN THIS ROOM WOULD LIKE A THINK IT'S FAIR. IF YOU ALL COULD COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE SO THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT'S LEGITIMATE TO ACCOMPLISH WITHOUT STEPPING ON YOUR RIGHTS I THINK IT WOULD

WORK FOR BOTH. >> BRAD. >> THANK YOU MEMBERS.

IT'S BASED ON NEED TO PROTECT THEIR HOUSE. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE SOMEONE'S HOME ADDRESS. THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL SEEMED TO GO FAR BEYOND THAT.

WERE CERTAINLY WILLING TO LOOK AT SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THEIR NEEDS IN TERMS OF THEIR

FOUNDATION. >> JUST A WILLINGNESS TO COOPERATE AND SIT DOWN.

THAT'S ALL. YOUR GREEN TOOTH OUT. YOU'RE AGREED TO BE OPEN AND HAVE EVERYONE SIT DOWN AROUND THE TABLE AND TRY TO WORK IT OUT A SOLUTION.

I'VE A FEELING BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE

GUIDANCE TO TELL YOU YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE. >> SOUNDS GREAT.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY REBUTTAL FROM APPLICANT?

YES, BRAD WESTER WILL BE BRIEF. >> I DID TALK TO MY CLIENT THEY DO WANT TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS. I KNOW WE COULD COME TO THE TABLE AND COME TO SOME TYPE OF GREEMENT. I APPRECIATE THE MODERATING DISCUSSION FOR THIS. I DID AS FAR AS A POINT OF REBUTTAL FOR WHAT THE POSITION'S COUNSEL SAID. IT'S INTERESTING THEY SAID WERE PUTTING UP A 12 FOOT WALL ACROSS HER PROPERTY. IN FACT NOT GOING ACROSS HER PROPERTY.

CHRISTINE ON HER OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT.

AS FAR AS THE DEFINITION OF SCOUR. EROSION WAS A MATTER OF FACT AS FAR AS WHAT THE SLOPE IS DOING DEGRADING. EARLY TO WORK I GO BACK AND TALK TO THE CLIENT ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE CAN COME TO A COMPROMISE.

CAN WE PUT UP THAT IMAGE THAT MR. INGRAM PUT UP IF YOU ASKED IF THAT'S THE BACKYARD PICTURE.

CAN WE PUT THAT BACKUP, PETER. THANK YOU. I DO THINK IT'S WORTH A POINT OF VERIFICATION. THIS POST RIGHT HERE IS, IT LOOKS A LOT TALK AND IT REALLY IS. ACCEPTABLE FEET FROM THEIR GRADE OF THEIR BACKYARD.

IT'S MY FEET IN FROM WHERE IT SHOULD BE. THE PERSPECTIVE IS ALL OFF.

I GET IT. WE CAN ALSO DO IS WE CAN ACTUALLY STICK THIS OUT AND SHOW THE NEIGHBOR WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. MAYBE WITH STRING.

HERE'S WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. SOME ARE NOT ALL TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.

WERE NOT ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT 12 AND 16 FEET ON THE BACKYARD. THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S COULD BE HERE.

>> BROUGHT THE TOP OF THE 2 BY 4 IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE TOP OF THE FENCE.

YOU CAN'T ARGUE ABOUT. AND THAT'S AN OPAQUE FENCE. THEY SHOWED IN OUR GRAPHIC

PRESENTATION WAS THE SAME THING. >> UNDERSTAND OR GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE BETTERMENT THE PROTECTION OF WHAT THEY'VE KNOWN FOR 30 YEARS IN THEIR BACKYARD.ND BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND OBLIGING FOR THE STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION AND INTEGRITY OF YOUR HOUSE. WERE GONNA COME BACK TO THE

DRAWING BOARD AND WE WILL HAVE A CONSENSUS. >> ARE YOU ASKING FOR

CONTINUANCE? >> I AM. >> UP TO MAKE ONE COMMENT.

NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO SHARP THE FOUNDATION. >> YES SIR.> WITH OPTIONS.

>> I HAD SOME TIEBACK DRAWINGS IN THE AMOUNT OF CUBIC BACKFILL WITH GRAVEL AND DIRT.

I DIDN'T THINK I NEEDED IT. WE WILL BRING THAT AS WELL. AND I'LL PROBABLY HAVE A GC

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WITH US. >> I THINK IF YOU GO INTO THE MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBOR WITH A POSITIVE ATTITUDE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK IT OUT COMPROMISE RATHER THAN TRYING TO GET VERY DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT. AND THEM TOO. THAT'S THE BEST WAY YOU'RE GONNA REACH A COMPROMISE. TO GO INTO THINKING LET'S TRY TO COME UP WITH A WIN/WIN

SITUATION. >> I AGREE. >> THANK YOU BRIAN.

>> THANK YOU. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> MR. CHAIR, MR. CHAIR BEFORE YOU MOVE ON IF I MAY SPEAK. >> IF YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE THE ITEM THAT WE JUST HEARD YOU CAN CONTINUE THE ITEM TO A TIME CERTAIN DATE CERTAIN.

THE APPLICANT MAY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME THEY MAY NEED.

YOUR NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 7. > BRAD DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME,

JUNE 7? >> MR. SCOTT CAN WE HAVE A MOTION ON THAT PLEASE?

>> I LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE VARIANCE REQUEST. >> TO JUNE 7 TIME CERTAIN.

>> I WILL WE CONTINUE THIS TO JUNE 7. >> SECOND.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY I. >> I. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS 176 M1 DRIVE REQUEST TO ALLOW MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 42.12 PERCENT WITH THE 40 PERCENT REQUIREMENT. IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SWIMMING POOL. THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD

PLEASE. >> I AM OUT OF TOWN THAT DAY. I WOULD WONDER IF WE COULD DO

IT AT A DIFFERENT TIME. THEN JUNE 7. >> THE NEXT WOULD BE, IT WON'T BE TYPICAL JULY. THE NEXT MEETING WILL PROBABLY BE THE SECOND WEEK OF JULY ASSUMING WE HAVE AN AGENDA THAT DAY. WE WILL SAY THE FOLLOWING MEETING WHICH MAY VARY A LITTLE BIT ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF THE MONTH.

>> INSERT YOUR FIRST MEETING YOU ARE CORRECT. FIRST MEETING IN JULY IS JULY 5 WHICH YOU MAY WANT TO CANCEL IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO AND I DON'T RECALL.

BECAUSE OF THE JULY 4TH HOLIDAY. YOUR NEXT, IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO

IT THE SECOND WEEK IN JULY IT WOULD B JULY 12. >> THAT'S TYPICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE THE COST IS BUMP IT BACK ASSUMING YOU HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS.

>> YES SIR. >> WE WILL LET YOU GET THAT WORD OUT TO EVERYONE.

>> OKAY, JULY 5. >> OKAY, MR. CHAIR OF JUST BEEN CORRECTED.

THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY CLOSE JULY 5. THAT WOULD MEAN THERE WOULD NOT BE A MEETING THAT DAY. SOME WERE BACK TO JULY 12 IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THAT MEETING ON JULY 12.> YES, ASSUMING THERE IS AGENDAS FOR THAT DAY AND HE PROCEEDED WITHOUT MONTH.

THAT'S NEXT DATE WE WILL TRY TO DO THAT. >> YES SIR, THANK YOU.

>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE SECOND AGENDA IF I COULD START WITH JOHN AND LET US KNOW IF YOU

HAVE DRIVE-BY OR SPOKE WITH ANYBODY? >> I HAD A DRIVE-BY BUT NEVER

SPOKEN WITH ANYBODY. >> I BIKED BY AND DIDN'T SPOKEN TO ANYONE.

>> I DROVE BY AND DID NOT ANYONE. >> I DROVE I DID NOT ANYONE.

>> I DROVE BY AND DID NOT ANYONE. >> I DROVE BY THE DIDN'T

ANYONE. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

>> MY NAME IS LAUREN ÃI REPRESENT CROWN POOLS AT 3002 PHILLIPS HIGHWAY JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. I BROUGHT MISS MANNERS WITH ME, THE OWNER.

>> MY NAME IS KATINA MANORS IN ABOUT 176 M1 DRIVE. >> THINKING.

>> DURING THE TIME WE BUILT WORKING WITH THE MANORS FAMILY THEY HAVE ASKED TO PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL. WE HAVE SINCE GONE TO THE COUNTY AND GOT PERMISSION AND WE HAVE AN APPROVED PERMIT. DURING THE TIME WE WERE GOING THROUGH PERMITTING WE WERE PTRYING TO INCREASE SOME OF THA LIVABLE SPACE THEY HAVE IN THE OUTDOORS.

WHICH WOULD TAKE IT OVER THE 40 PERCENT IMPERVIOUS RATE UP TO 42.9 PERCENT.

WHAT WERE ASKING IS IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE CAN INCREASE THAT UP TO THE 42.9 PERCENT WITH A VARIANCE. CURRENTLY WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE POOL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. IT IS A FIRE PIT, A SWIMMING POOL AND SOME DECKING. THE MATERIAL LEADING OUT TO THE FIRE PIT AREA WOULD BE A

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CRUSHED STONE THAT IS CONSIDERED TO BE IMPERVIOUS TO REAL.

WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS FOR THE AREAS INBRED. BUT LOOKING TO ADD 3 SMALL PAVER AREAS UP ON THE TOP LEADING OUT TO THE CRUSHED STONE AND EXPAND TO THE OUTDOOR PATIO FOR ADDITIONAL FUTURE LIVING AREA. I'D LIKE TO PASS TO MISS MANNERS IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH THE BOARD. IN CASE YOU GUYS HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> I'LL KEEP IT SHORT ON THIS AND CERTAINLY WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OVER THE PAST YEAR HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR OUR FAMILY IN KEEPING TO OURSELVES AND WE HAD HOPED TO HAVE A POOL AND IN TALKING TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS YOU WILL SEE IN ADDITION TO OUR PACKAGE WE HAVE THE CONSENT OF ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. THERE WAS ONE WE HADN'T CAUGHT BEFORE THE MEETING WHO IS SELLING HIS PROPERTY BUT WE SPOKE WITH HIM THIS MORNING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND HE ALSO, ALL OF THEM TO A TABLE EXCITED. I HAD ABOUT COLLECTING A SEPARATE SIGNATURE LINE OF NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS WHO WOULD LIKE MY CHILDREN AND HUSBAND OUT OF THEIR POLES AND INTO OUR OWN SWIMMING POOLS BECAUSE THERE WERE BE NUMEROUS.

IN ANY CASE I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M

HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> TYPICALLY FOR VARIANCE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HARDSHIP.

MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT HARDSHIP OF YOUR PARTICULAR LAW IS CAUSING YOU A REASON YOU

CAN'T DO THIS WITH THE 40 FOOT PERVIOUS PERCENTAGE? >> ESC YOU'LL SEE THE 2 PERCENT AREA WOULD ALLOW US TO SOME OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE. RIGHT NOW IF THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PLAN WE WOULD BE STEPPING OUT OF OUR MASTER BEDROOM INTO THE GRASS AND WE HAVE DESIGNED THIS IN MIND AND WAS TRYING TO KEEP IT AS NATURAL AND LUSH AS POSSIBLE.

WE WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE IT LEAVES US VERY LITTLE DECKING AROUND THE POOL AND WE WOULD LIKE THE FUTURE WE WERE ABLE TO IN INCREMENTS OF 4 TO EXTEND THE ROOF.

OUR PLAN TO EXTEND THE ROOF OVER THAT BREAD PAVER AREA AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OUTDOOR SPACE WE COULD HAVE SOME FURNITURE COVERED AND ETC. IF YOU KNOW THE AREA WE HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND OUTDOOR THINGS DON'T DO VERY WELL IF IT'S NOT COVERED.

THIS IS OUR CURRENT BACKYARD. >> MEGAN? >> THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU AND I NOTICE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE USED THIS PARTICULAR SOLUTION.

THIS WHEN THEY WANT TO EXPAND THE AREA IN THE BACK FOR THE NEW STYLE OF OUTDOOR LIVING THEY SWITCH OUT THE IMPERVIOUS DRIVEWAY LIKE THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY THAT YOU HAVE INPUT IN PERVIOUS MATERIAL THERE AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR OBJECTIVE WITHOUT NEEDING

GET A VARIANCE. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT? >> YES MA'AM AND TO BE FRANK WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT THAT'S PART OF OUR SECOND PHASE OF IMPROVEMENTS.

WE CAN'T AFFORD IT WITH THE POLE.HINKING FORWARD WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT AND WE ARE GETTING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO GIVE US A PLAN FOR THE FRONT YARD AND LANDSCAPING.

WE HOPE TO IMPROVE IT AND IF WE DID THAT WE WOULD LIKE MORE DRIVING PACE FOR CARS WHEN OUR KIDS GET A LITTLE BIT OLDER. WE WOULD LOOK TO PERVIOUS MATERIALS WE CAN'T FFORD IT RIGHT NOW AND WE WANT THE ACTION OR THE BACK IS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT STAGE OF IMPROVEMENTS WERE ABLE TO REPLACE THE HOUSE TO HAVE OUTDOOR COVERING SPACE.

WE HOPE THE NEXT PHASE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE FRONT AND TO DO THAT WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD IT

RIGHT NOW. >> IT RAISES THE QUESTION ON MEAGAN'S QUESTION IS THAT NOT POSSIBLE TO DO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THE BACK? ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU DO THE PAVING STONES I SEE THE PAVING STONES GOING OUT. HE SAID YOU'VE GOT THESE STEPPING STONES I PUZZLED WHY NOT ON SOME GRAVEL BASE AND THEN THE WHOLE AREA WOULD BE PERVIOUS. AND WHETHER YOU COULD JUST DO THE OTHER AREA AS A PERVIOUS.

THEY DO VARIOUS PERVIOUS CONCRETE OR POROUS CONCRETE. >> THEY DO QUOTE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO ON THE RECTANGLE AREA IS TO MATCH THE REST OF THE PAPERS OF COURSE BECAUSE IT

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WILL LOOK DIFFERENT AND WEIRD IF WE STOPPED AND STARTED WITH THE PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS.

ON THE STEPPING STONES FOR THE FIRE PIT IT'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE. JUST FELT IF WE HAD, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ANY OF OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OF THE DRAINAGE MUCH.

GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE STEPPING FROM THE POLE TO THE FIRE PIT WITHOUT DRAGGING THAT STUFF INTO THE POLE AND WHATNOT. VERY MINOR VARIANCE AND WE HAVE SPOKEN TO AND IF YOU SURVEY THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WE SPOKEN TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE INTEND TO IMPROVE ON THE DRAINAGE ONLY DO THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT ANYBODY AROUND US. EVERYONE TO THE T IS EXCITED FOR US TO HAVE OUR OWN POOL TO SEND THEIR OWN CHILDREN AND HUSBANDS TO SUMMON OUR OWN POOL ONE DAY.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> YES THIS GET BACK TO AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION AT LAST DECEMBER ABOUT OUR POLLS PERVIOUS ARE IMPERVIOUS. THE RETENTION POND IS PERVIOUS.

A POOL ALSO CLICKS WATER IS IMPERVIOUS. IT'S AN INTERESTING DEBATE ON HOW YOU COUNT IT. FOR SOME REASON WE ALWAYS COUNT PULLS US IMPERVIOUS AREA EVEN THOUGH THE CLIPPED WATER AND IT DOESN'T TURN OFF.> REMEMBER YOUR COMMENT AND.

ONE THING I THINK BRENT SAID TO REMIND EVERYONE IS PULLS THEMSELVES HAVE LIMITS AS TO

HOW MUCH WATER THEY CAN ACCEPT. >> FROM 4 TO 8 INCHES. >> THE ISSUE HERE REALLY IS THAT YOU COULD PUT SOME WHERE THEY WANT HARDSCAPE. YOU COULD HAVE PERVIOUS HARDSCAPE AND THAT WOULD SOLVE IT BECAUSE JUST IN GENERAL WITH ALL OF THE HOUSES IN POINTE VEDRA GETTING LARGER GOING TO THE MAXIMUM IT'S JUST MORE RUNOFF DRAINAGE IN SAN JUAN

ROAD B. >> TO BE CLASSIFY PAVERS AS PERVIOUS?

I THINK WE DO. >> PAPERS ARE NOT PERVIOUS. >> I THINK AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY

THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS PERVIOUS. >> I THINK THEY ARE CLASSIFIED

AS PERVIOUS. >> PAVERS ARE PERVIOUS MATERIAL.

>> THE BACK OF OUR PROPERTY BUT SOME TO THE GOLF COURSE. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER PROFESSIONAL ON THAT. IT WOULD SEEM JUST WATED DRAINAGE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US IS A DRAINAGE CANAL. AGAIN ALL OF OUR SURROUNDING PROPERTIES PROPERTY OWNERS WE SPOKEN TO AND FOR THE SMALL VARIANCE ARE REALLY UNCONCERNED.

>> LOOKING AT THE PICTURE AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY WITH JACK. >> IF WE DO NOT GET A VARIANCE THAT WOULD BE GRASS. WE WOULD BE STEPPING OUT OF HER MASTER BEDROOM ONTO GRASS INSTEAD OF DECKING. THAT'S A VERY SMALL AREA THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.

BUT HER PLAN IS IS FOR THAT TO BE A COVERED OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.

OR WE CAN HAVE BETTER OUTDOOR KITCHEN AND BE ABLE TO SET. >> ANY IDEA HOW LONG THAT HAS

BEEN THERE? >> THE RETENTION WALL? >> AND WOOD DECKING.

>> YOU KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ORIGINAL TO THE HOME BECAUSE THE STUCCO MATCHES THE COCONUT SHELL EXTERIOR OF HER HOME. I BELIEVE IT'S BEEN THERE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WOOD

DECKING. >> YOUR HOME WAS BUILT WHEN? MID-SIXTIES?

>> I WANT TO SAY IN THE 80S. 76. >> OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

X YES IT HAS. >> WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUILD.

I'M SURE YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL LOVE YOU TO BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BUILD.

THE PROBLEM WE RUN INTO THIS WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HARDSHIP AND A LOT OF ODD SHAPED LOTS AND PROCURE YOUR THINGS IN POINTE VEDRA THAT CREATE A DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR THE HOMEOWNERS. CREATES A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HARDSHIP FOR THE LIFE.

I'M NOT RELEASING A HARDSHIP. IF WE SAY WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO GO TO 42 AND HALF PERCENT.

THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE COMES YOU GIVE TO THAT GUY I WANT TO DO THIS POOL 200 WHY CAN'T YOU GIVE IT TO ME. WE CREATE A PRECEDENT OF DOWN ANYBODY IN A SIMILAR SITUATION CAN GO OVER THE 40 PERCENT. THE PUTS US IN A DIFFICULT POSITION.

>> I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. PARTICULAR TO OUR FAMILY AND THE HARDSHIP WE FACE IN THIS PARTICULAR TIMING AND PROJECT IS COVID-19 HAS ACCELERATED OUR NEED AND DESIRE FOR A PULL BECAUSE WERE NO LONGER ABLE TO USE THE PUBLIC PULLS" WE THOUGHT WERE READILY AVAILABLE TO US.AND AS A RESULT OF THAT WE ARE WORKING ON OUR FINANCING WE HOPE FOR NEIGHBORS TAKE HER OWN TAPE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE FRONT DRIVEWAY WITH IMPERVIOUS SERVICE RATIO.

THE TIMING IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR US. IF WE WERE TO EXCLUDE THAT AREA

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WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS WHEN WE LATER GO TO DO THE FRONT AND CHANGE THAT AND ADD IT WAS PAVERS ARE NEVER GOING TO MATCHUP AND IT WILL BE, WE WILL HAVE USED THE REST FOR 5 YEARS AND THEN TRY TO MATCH IT BUT NUMBER WE TRY TO THINK AHEAD AND STAMPS AND THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO AND WANT TO DO FOR THE FRONT DRIVE.

HARDSHIP IS THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD IT RIGHT NOW. >> UNDERSTAND THE HARDSHIP OF YOUR FAMILY. THIS REALLY IS A HARDSHIP FOR YOUR PROPERTY.

ALL HAVE FAMILY HARDSHIPS. THIS IS MORE YOUR PROPERTY. >> COULD BE COMMIT TO USING THE IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS ON THE FRONT WE DO THE WOOD YOU HAVE THE PLAN?

>> YOU CAN SLICE IT ANYWAY YOU WANT. SLICE AND DICE IT.

THE POINT IS YOUR 40 PERCENT, THAT'S ALL YOU CAN COVER UP. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THAT OUT OF THE FRONT NOW AND GO BACK WITH THE PERVIOUS PRODUCT LATER.

WE CAN'T SAY OKAY YOU'RE OKAY 42 AND A HALF PERCENTAGE NOW WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT

BACK TO 40 DOWN THE ROAD. >> BUT THE PURPOSE AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THIS YOU NEED TO PROTECT THAT. IT CERTAINLY TO PROTECT THE RUNOFF WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE SITUATION AND SCENARIO WORKS FOR A PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK WERE INCREASING IN A HARDSHIP ON ANYBODY ELSE

CARED. >> HE MAY NOT BE. YOU GOT A GOLF COURSE-YOU KNOW THAT. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. LOOKING AT THE WAY WE'VE BEEN GUIDED TO DO THIS ARE LOOKING FOR PROPERTY HARDSHIP WHICH IS UNIQUE TO YOUR PROPERTY.

NOT SEEING ANYTHING. TO GRANT THAT WE SET A PRECEDENT.

NO ANYBODY COULD TAKE A MONTH OUT TOO. >> HE'S TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO SAY IS THE HARDSHIP BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GIVING HIM DOESN'T WORK.

>> I GOT YOU. OUR OTHER HARDSHIP IS THAT I WILL SAY OUR DESIGN IN THE PARTICULAR AREA FOR ROOM WANT TO PUT THE NEW PAVERS IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED BECAUSE WERE TRYING TO IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR HOUSE WE RETURNED TO PROTECT AND PRESERVE VERY LARGE AND BEAUTIFUL OAK AND YOU'LL NOTICE OUR PROPERTY HAS 32 TREES ON THE PROPERTY TOTAL APPEARED WAY MORE THAN ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS SO WE ARE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TREES WE REMOVE SO WE CAN REASONABLY USE OUR PROPERTY CAN HAVE SOME LIVING SPACE BUT WORK AROUND HE OAK AND TO DO THAT WITH NOT MOVE IT OVER THERE.

>> QUESTION, THE POOL DECK, THAT'S PAVERS ON DIRT RIGHT? >> YES.

>> SAW THE AREA AROUND THE BULL PAVERS? >> YES.

AS A SMALL AMOUNT OF PAVERS OUT OF AN AREA. >> COMING UP 1422, ACTUALLY

1403 SQUARE FEET IN YOUR IMPERVIOUS CALCULATION? >> AM SORRY ABOUT THE WRONG OURS WITH ME TODAY. I APOLOGIZE. YES.

SO THE 1400 SQUARE-FOOT IS THE DECKING THAT COMES OUT FROM THE PROPERTY ON THE SITE SURVEY YOU

GUYS HAVE GOING OUT AROUND THE POOL DECK AND COMING BACK. >> WHAT THE MATERIAL AROUND THE

FIRE PIT? >> THAT WILL BE CRUSHED STONE. THE FIRE PIT ITSELF WILL BE

STONE. >> THE DECK AREA AROUND THE FIRE PIT.

>> THAT'S CAN BE CRUSHED STONE. >> THAT'S PERVIOUS. >> THAT'S PERVIOUS MATERIAL.

>> IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SLIDE LOOK LIKE MOST OF YOUR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WAS A ROOF

DECK ATTACHED AT HOME. IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? >> YES.

>> I THINK THE COUNTY HAS CHANGED ITS EVALUATION OF SOME OF THE PERVIOUS NATURES AND SOME OF THE PAVERS. NO OTHER PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO FOUNDED THE OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE IN THE POOL WANT OUTPUTTING A NEW KIND OF PAPER IN LINDA'S MORE GRANULAR AND ALLOWS WATER TO GO THROUGH IT MORE EASILY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE HERE WHO CAN THAT. IF THAT COULD BE DONE AROUND A MAJOR PORTION OF YOUR AREA THEN

THAT WOULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> ARE SUBSTANTIALLY MORE EXPENSIVE.

I'M SORRY TO HARP AMOUNT. I KNOW THAT'S NOT ANYONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.

JUST REASONABLY TRYING YING TO DO WHAT WE CAN. >> MAY BELIEVE A PORTION OF

THAT OFTEN ADDED IN TIME. >> WE CAN OUR PROBLEM WOULD BE WERE NEVER GOING TO TRY TO AT THE SAME, YOU SEE THE SQUARE AREA THAT WE WOULD BE ADDING BACK.

EXXON COULD EVER MATCH THE REST OF THE POOL DECK. AFTER WE START TO LIVING IN THE

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REGULAR POOL DECK. IF WE TRY TO AT THAT RECTANGLE OR AFTER THE FACT THE PAVERS

WON'T MATCH UP AND IT LOOKED FUNKY. >> SPEAKING FROM AN ORDERING STANDPOINT WITH GETTING A LOT OF MATERIALS IN. ONE OF THE AREAS ARE SIGNIFICANT BACKLOG WITH BRINGING IN MATERIALS. IN THE LOTS SEEM TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGING WE RUN INTO THIS 2 SEPARATE PULLS ONLY RECENTLY DONE ONE COLOR BEING SIERRA ANOTHER ONE BEING AMARETTO. WE PUT THE MATERIAL BACK RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND WE ORDER THE MATERIAL 8 WEEKS EARLIER. STARTING ON THE DIFFERENT DIALOGUE AND IN AMOUNTS. WE HAD TO DO SOME CRADLE FINAGLING.

LOOKING AT THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF DECKING THEY HAVE VERSUS COMING BACK A COUPLE YEARS LATER AND ADDING IN THE OUTDOOR SPACE CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AT THAT TIME.

RETURN TO KEEP IT ALL TOGETHER AND KEEP IT IN SPIRIT OF MAKING THIS OUTDOOR AREA LOOK AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE AND FITTED IN WITH THE HOME A LITTLE SLOW CURRENTLY.

>> HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. YOUR ROOF IS GOING ON OVER

PAVERS IS A CORRECT STATEMENT? YOUR OPEN-AIR ROOF. >> THE RED TRIANGLE, YES, EVENTUALLY. STEP ONE IS THE POOL IN THE DECK AND WE REPLACE THE ROOF WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THE ROOF LINE WHERE THAT RED TRIANGLE IS TEMPORARY OUTDOOR SEATING AREA

THERE. >> WHAT'S GOING ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW?

>> IS JUST PAVERS. >> IT WOULD BE THE SAME PAVERS THAT ON THIS PLANTER IMPERVIOUS

EVERYWHERE ELSE. >> YES SIR. SO THE VARIANCE REQUEST

ACTUALLY FOR THE ROOF IS IN A CORRECT STATEMENT? >> NUMBER WHEN OUTPUTTING A ROOF AND RIGHT NOW. THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL PAVERS SPACE BECAUSE PUTTING THAT RED TRIANGLE TEXAS OVER THE 40 PERCENT RATIO TO 42.9.

WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED RIGHT NOW IS WITHOUT THAT RETRACTABLE AT 40.

IF WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS PAVERS IT WOULD MEAN WE NEED TO COME BACK ON WE COULD DO THE FRONT DECK AND GET MORE SPACE AND HAVE THEM. OUR CONCERN BEING THAT THEY

WON'T MATCH THE REST OF THE BACKYARD DECKING. >> THE COVERED ROOF AREAS FACTORED IN NOW ALTHOUGH IT WILL BE A FUTURE EDITION. SO MAYBE AT THE TIME YOU DO THAT YOUR BUDGET WILL BE BETTER AND YOU CAN DO SOME MESSING AROUND IN THE DRIVEWAY OF

CHANGING THE PERVIOUS. >> WE COULD, ABSOLUTELY. THE PROBLEM IS THE PAVERS WERE PUTTING THEM IN INTO DIFFERENT PHASES AND WHAT LAUREN AND CROWN PULLS IS TELLING US WE DO PHASE 1 ONLY ADD THAT RED TRIANGLE PAVERS A COUPLE YEARS LATER THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK

THE SAME, THE DYE LOTS ARE OFF. >> GOING TO DO ALL THAT. WHEN YOU END UP DOING A ROOF EDITION THEN YOU COULD TWEAK THE FRONT DRIVEWAY TO SOME OTHER PERVIOUS MATERIAL TO TAKE

UP THE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT YOU WILL ON THE COVER. >> YES WE CAN BUT IF WE DID THAT AT THAT TIME WE WOULD BE ADDING PAVERS TO STEPS, WE WOULD'VE DONE STEP ONE PAVERS FROM AROUND THE POOL AND STEP 2 FOR THAT SMALL TRIANGLE. THAT'S WHAT WERE CONCERN IS

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH UP. >> 'SSTAFF HERE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME E LIKE ON THE REPORT INSISTS THE RED OUTLINE REA IS ABOVE THE IMPERVIOUS ALLOWANCE WHICH MADE ME BELIEVE THAT THIS AREA IS CONSTRUCTED WITH IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL.

>> YES MA'AM JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S A CORRECT INTERPRETATION AS WE LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN THAT'S PRESENTED APPEAR.

WHAT WAS, THE APPLICANT HAS APPROVED 40 PERCENT POOL AREA. IT'S BEEN DONE BY THE COUNTY.

T'S UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. THAT IS SHOWING 40 PERCENT ISR TO MY UNDERSTANDING. THINK WE GET A LITTLE CONFUSION WITH THE WORD PAVERS BECAUSE OF COURSE WE HAVE IMPERVIOUS PAVERS AND WE CAN HAVE PERVIOUS PAVERS.

TO MY UNDERSTANDING LOOKING AT A 40 PERCENT ISR SITE PLAN. SPOKE OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS IMPERVIOUS. I DO NOT BELIEVE TO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS PERVIOUS PAVERS BUILT IN THE DEPICTED SITE PLAN. SO.

>> THAT'S TRULY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH OR WITHOUT A ROOF. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

AFTER LOOKING AT THIS FULLY IMPERVIOUS ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN.

THE REQUEST TO GET BEGAN APPROXIMATELY AN EXTRA 2 PERCENT ON TOP OF THAT.

>> SO WERE BASICALLY STUCK BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A REAL HARDSHIP NOW THAT WE COULD USE TO JUSTIFY VARIANCE. IT COMES DOWN TO THE COLOR OF THE PAVERS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THOUGHTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHICH IS IN A HARDSHIP.

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>> MAY I SEE SOMETHING ELSE. SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER KNOW I'M LISTENING TO THE BOARD SUGGESTION ABOUT SWITCHING OUT THE MATERIAL FOR THE USE OF THE FRONT DRIVEWAY.

I HAVE A 7-YEAR-OLD MYSELF AND HER FAVORITE PLACE TO PLAY IS ON HER CHALK AND IF YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING TO SWITCH THAT OUT INMATE NOT BE MATERIAL THAT'S CONDUCIVE TO PLAY GIVING THEM AN ADDITIONAL AREA.I KNOW THEY HAVE THE POOL AND PLAY SPLASH AROUND.

SWITCHING OUT THE MIC AND IT WOULD BE HARDSHIP ON THE CHILDREN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE DRIVEWAY DOWN THE LINE VERSUS HAVING OUTDOOR AREA. I LOVE TO HAVE THE OUTER AREA SO WE COULD SPEND MORE QUALITY TIME WITH THE FAMILY IS SUPPOSED TO TAKE AWAY MY DRIVEWAY OUTFRONT THAN HAVING TO SWITCH THAT DOWN THE LINE GRANTED THEY'LL BE LITTLE BIT OLDER MAY NOT BE AS MUCH A DRIVEWAY PLAY. LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW I THINK FOR THEIR SAKE FOR THEIR FAMILY TIME I THINK HAVING THIS AND EVERYTHING BEING THE ABILITY TO HAVE ALL INCLUSIVE IN THE BACKYARD OF THIS TIME TRY TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN A SITUATION WHEREIN COVID-19. WHILE HAVING TO SPEND TIME TOGETHER. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER TIGHTER FAMILY WE CAN TRANSITION WHAT WERE DOING FROM THE FRON TO THE BACK. AS WE DO CURRENTLY USED DRIVEWAY QUITE A BIT. PASCUAL, SKATEBOARDS KYLE BLANKS.

WHICH WE DO HAVE NEIGHBORS WITH IMPERVIOUS MATERIALS IN THE FRONT AND IT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT THE KIDS ARE ABLE TO PLAY BASKETBALL AND SKIP FOR THE WAY THAT THEY ARE

CURRENTLY. >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? YOU'RE JUST GIVING SUNNI PARAMETERS AND NONE OF MEET CRITERIA RETURN TELL YOU TO MEET AND IT'S ALL INTERESTING BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS WERE TRYING TO GIVE YOU GUIDANCE AND GIVING US PARTNERS JUST DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA.

NORMAL TO SAY. >> TRY TO HELP COME UP WITH HARDSHIP.

WERE AT A LOSS FOR THIS MORNING. >> SEEMS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE A SOLUTION BUT BY THE WAY SAYING YOU CAN'T AFFORD AS MUCH HIS OWN EXCUSE.

>> THE OTHER REQUEST FOR THIS THERE ARE OTHER WAYS THAT ONE BIG 12 FOOT WALL.

THERE'S TERRACING, DIFFERENT MATERIALS. LESS SILVER SPACE.

THERE ARE WAYS AROUND IT. >> SO, WE ASK IF THAT'S OKAY. I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT LARGER VARIANCES APPROVED IN OUR AREA FOR 8 TO 10 PERCENT FOR SIMILAR OUTDOOR AREAS.

IN THAT CASE THE SAME WAY AS EVERYBODY ELSE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO USE HER BACKYARDS IN THE BACKYARD SPACE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE AND ENJOY IT WITH HER FAMILY AND A 2 PERCENT VARIANCE SEEMS MUCH LESS INTRUSIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAN SOME OF THOSE MUCH LARGER ONES

THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED. >> 11 YEARS THIS IS ONLY REQUEST ON ONE OF THE NORMAL SIZE LOTS AND POINTE VEDRA THAT I RECALL. ONLY THINGS WE'VE DONE THIS BEHIND CHRISTCHURCH WITH THOSE PLATTED LOTS WERE VERY SMALL AND WE'VE GONE UP 2 OR 3

PERCENT ON THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST SO SMALL. >> THIS CAN'T BE AT A 40 PERCENT RATIO. THAT WAS HER PREVIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVED THERE AND

AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE 40 PERCENT.

WE GRANTED A FEW ADDITIONS WITH POOLS. >> WE'VE ALL DRIVEN FIREHOUSE WILL SEE WE HAVE COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF YARN. WHEN A IMPACTING CLOAK WITH THE

FILM NEIGHBORHOOD. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> NOTES A SMALL PERCENT.

IF YOU COME UP WITH THE PERVIOUS MATERIAL YOU COULD BE THERE.

AND MAYBE MAKE THE AREA SLIGHTLY SMALLER WITH THE COST DIFFERENTIAL.

>> UNDERSTAND. >> MAY SAY SOMETHING? >> WAS WAITING AT THE BACKYARD.

I WANTED TO POINT OUT AGAIN. THE AMOUNT OF TREES THEY HAVE PRE-EXISTING TO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF TREE COVERAGE ON THEIR PROPERTY AS COMPARED TO MAJORITY OF THE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA. HEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THOSE TREES IN THAT AREA TO MAKE IT LOOK AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE TRYING AT THE SAME TIME TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE THAT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO CHANGE THE BEAUTY OF THE TREES.

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THERE WERE TO TAKE ON TREES WE HAVE COMPLAINTS OF THEIR TAKING OUT THE BEAUTY OF THE TREES BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE THIS BEAUTIFUL BANK OUTDOOR SPACE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TREES. THEY'RE NOT. TO TRY TO KEEP EVERYTHING THEY HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS THEY HAVE GIVEN BY THE TREES IN THE AREA.

TRYING TO WORK AROUND THEM AS OPPOSED TO REMOVE THEM AND ASK FORB.

>> TO THE POINT MAYBE DIDN'T ARTICULATE THAT. PART OF THE REASON FOR THE POSITION IS TO MAINTAIN THE TREES. THIS MEANS WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF PAVING SO WE HAVE A WALKWAY PFROM OUR KITCHEN OVER TO THE POOL AREA SO WE CAN BRING FOOD THERE.EANS WE HAVE LITTLE BIT MORE PAVING IN THE CENTER LIKE RIGHT SQUARE WITH THE POOL BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SO FAR OFF THE HOUSE. TO KEEP IT CENTERED OVER THERE AND TO KEEP THE TREES WE ARE FIXED IN THE PAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT SIDE AND IT

HAS IN FACT INCREASED. >> NO DISRESPECT. I DON'T SEE THE TREES CAUSING YOU TO HAVE A NEED FOR 40 PERCENT 2 PERCENT VERSUS 40 PERCENT.

>> ROBERT MANNERS CO-OWNER OF THE HOUSE. WERE ESSENTIALLY ASKING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY AND IN OLD POINTE VEDRA COMPANY BY DRIVE-BY LOOKED ON THE AGENDA DID YOU NOT QUESTION WHAT YOU MEAN THIS HOUSE SITS ON 40 PERCENT OF THE HOUSE LOT OF COMPARED TO THOSE AROUND HER SPACE.

UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OF THE LAW IS THE 40 PERCENT. THE SPITTER OF THE LAW IS ABOUT DRAINAGE. CAN A COUNTRY YOU CONTRIBUTE TO DRAINAGE.

HARDSHIP, THE TREES ARE THERE AND YES WE COULD GO AND GET VERY POROUS AND HARD PAVERS THAT WOULD BE USED ON CHILDREN'S BAREFOOT AND ARE BAREFOOT FOR THE BACKYARD.

IT'S NOT AS DESIRABLE. IT'S NOT WHERE FAMILIES LOOKING FOR.

IT'S NOT WHY WE WANT IN THE AREA. ASKING TO BE ABUSIVE PROPERTY.

NOT TRYING TO PAY THE ENTIRE LOT. DOING FRENCH DRAIN SO WE HAVE 4000 SQUARE-FOOT HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 70S. IT IS BRANCH.

GAMMON TALKED ABOUT FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS. WHEN A GO UP WITH IT.

GRANDPA HOUSE WE HAVE. AGAIN, ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT IT SCRATCHES HER HEAD AND SAYS THERE'S NO WAY TO EXCEL 40 PERCENT OF THE LOT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY UNASSUMING HOUSE.

YOU WANT A VERY SMALL VARIANCE TO USE THE PROPERTY WE WAIVED THAT WE WANT.

WHEN I COULD PAY THE ENTIRE LOT. CREATE RENTALS.

WE HAVE FRENCH DRAIN SOLUTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO CONTAIN THE DRAINAGE AND MAKE IT SO NOT CONTRIBUTING TO FLOOD. WE HAVE THIS GIGANTIC GREEN SPACE IN THE BACKYARD THANKS TO THE POINTE VEDRA CLUB AND ON THE OTHER SIDE WE HAVE A LAGOON.

>> AND CONSENT OF ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING US. >> EVERYONE APPROVES IT.

NOT COMING IN AND BUILDING THIS MONSTROSITY THAT WE'VE SEEN ERECTED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON

A REGULAR BASIS NOW. >> NEXT GUY WANTS TO BUILD MONSTROSITY.

ALL I NEED IS 42 AND HOW PRESENTABLE THIS MONSTROSITY. RIGHT NOW I'D SEND THE LID AND SAY LET'S DO IT. YOU GO OVER TO AVALON C. HIS HOUSES ARE ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND THAT'S THE CHARM OF OLD POINTE VEDRA 'S OTHER NOT. OVER ASKING TO DO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WERE NOT DOING NOW. YOU'RE NOT INCONVENIENCING HER NEIGHBORS. WHEN I CONTRIBUTED TO RUNOFF. OF DRAINAGE OR BLOCKAGE.ERE SIMPLY ASKING TO BUILD SLIGHTLY MORE AND IT WON'T IMPACT ANYBODY OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN US AND OUR PROPERTY. RETURN TO USE THE PROPERTY TO THE EXTENT WE CAN SO WE CAN ENJOY IT. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. I'M SORRY I'M RANTING.

I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT HOMEOWNERS RIGHTS AND USE MY PROPERTY AND PROTECTING THE

TREES. >> INTERCOMMUNITY. UNDERSTAND YOU ARE HERE FOR THE LONER OF THE LAW. THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW WE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THIS.

WE WENT TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS. WE DID IT WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE RIGHT WAY.

>> WE ARE YOUR NEIGHBORS WE WANT TO TRY TO HELP YOU. NOT HERE TO DENY SOMETHING.

WERE HERE TO TRY TO FIND ME TO MAKE IT WORK. WILL TRY ANYWAY WE CAN.

>> MAYBE IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

GO BACK, ARE REALLY LOOKING TO TRY TO HELP YOU. OKAY LIKE WE JUST SENT.

YOU'VE GOTTA GIVE US SOME HELP HERE. WHAT WERE SUGGESTING IS YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION BECAUSE, THE REASONS TO JUSTIFY CAUGHT YOU'RE GOING ABOUT YOUR

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IMPACT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AS A CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY A VARIANCE.

IT'S A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, OKAY? WHAT WERE SUGGESTING IS MAY BE YOU TAKE A STEP BACK AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLIGHTLY ALTER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND ONE LITTLE SOLUTION WHICH DOESN'T SOLVE YOUR ENTIRE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING PAVING STONES OR THE STEPPINGSTONES ON TOP AND THE WHOLE THING IS BEEN DECLARED IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS WRONG.

YOU CAN PUT IT ON CRUSHED GRAVEL AND THE STEPPINGSTONES ARE CRUSHED GRAVEL.

NONE OF THAT WOULD BE IMPERVIOS. OKAY? THAT'S ONE LITTLE TINY PIECE. I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE TAKE A STEP BACK AND ASK FOR CONTINUANCE AND COME UP WITH SOME MATERIAL DIFFERENCE THAT MEETS YOUR CRITERIA FOR THE KIDS PLAYING ON IT AND ETC. ETC. OTHERWISE I THANK YOU'RE HEARING FROM THE BOARD YOU'VE GOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL REQUEST OTHER THAN THE FACT YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY BY HARDSHIP. AND SO WHAT WERE SUGGESTING IS YOU COME UP AND SLIGHTLY ALTER THE MATERIALS. I KNOW YOU WANT TO MATCH OUT THE COLORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I'M SORRY, THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA. IT'S NOT HARDSHIP.

>> WHAT WAS THE HARDSHIP FOR THE PRESIDENT STREETS THAT THEY HAD SMALL LOTS?

THAT WAS HARDSHIP? >> IN OTHER WORDS THEY HAVE A NONCONFORMING AND UNUSUAL LOT THAN THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LAW COULD BE REALLY WEIRD. THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT

INTO ACCOUNTY LARGE LOT. >> WHEN HE DROVE BY THE HOUSE DID YOU FEEL THAT ABOUT THE HOUSE THAT IT WAS 2 LARGE? WE WERE TAKEN UP TO MUCH OF THE

SPACE? >> IT'S JUST A PERCENTAGE. >> I GOT A QUESTION.

THERE'S ALREADY A PERMIT FOR THE POOL? >> YES.

>> DOES THE PERMIT FOR THE POOL REQUIRE THE WOOD DECKING TO BE TAKEN OUT?>> NUMBER.

>> YES. ALL OF THAT IS BEING TAKEN OUT. >> THAT'S IN THE PERMIT?

>> NO, IT DID NOT HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE PERMIT. >> CURRENTLY THE POOL CAN BE BUILT IN THE SIZE AND SHAPE IT'S OUT OF THE WOOD DECKING CAN STAY.

>> IT COULD. >> I TO GIVEN THE AGE OF IT AND LOOKING AT IT I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT PERSONAL INJURY TO CHILDREN OR SPLINTERS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

THAT'S WHY THE LOOKING. >> YOU CAN REPAIR THE WOOD DECK.

GOING TO BUILD THE POOL. WE'VE GOT A DECK SPACE THAT'S REPAIRABLE.

YOU'VE GOT A PERMIT. YOU'VE GOT A DECK SPACE YOU CAN USE.

AND THEN IN A FUTURE DATE WE CHANGE ALL THE FRONT DRIVEWAY YOU CHANGE OUT THEWOOD DECK.

>> OKAY, CAN YOU SHOW THEM I THINK IS I'M NOT SURE I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN AN AERIAL. AFTER SASHA LOOKING AT THE OPERTY I APOLOGIZE.

I HAVE AN EXCESS OF MINIATURES OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S ALL GOLF COURSE BEHIND HIM. TAKING ON THE TREES WOULD AFFECT THE GULF AREA.

THEY'RE TRYING TO BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO BE SURROUNDED BY THE TREES IN THE GENERAL AREA.

SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. UNDERGRADS ARE SAYING IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S TO MUCH OF A HARDSHIP WITH THE SIZE OF PROPERTY.

I THINK IT IS. LOOKING AT THE MANY TREES THEY HAVE.

IT DOES GIVE THEM A HARDSHIP ON THEIR PROPERTY IN THE TRY TO FIND A WAY TO KEEP ALL THE BEATABLE TREES SO IT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT YOUR NEIGHBORS OR ANYONE UP ON THE GOLF COURSE. DOESN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT THEM AND HOPE TO INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES. YOU CAN LOOK THE MAJORITY OF HOMES THAT ALL DO LOOK RATHER LARGE THAT YOU HAVE PULLS THE DO HAVE DECKING OUT AND AROUND. I CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THE PULSE OF DECKING MATERIAL IS MADE OUT OF. I HAVEN'T GONE AND DURING THE SURVEY WERE LOOKED AT ANYONE'S PROPERTIES. LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DON'T FEEL, I DO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING ABOUT THIS BEING HARDSHIP AND I THINK THE TREES IS PROVIDING IS A HARDSHIP AND ALLOWING THEM AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY AS IT WOULD IF THEY HAD A DIFFERENT PROPERTY BACKING UP TO A LAGOON OR DOWN FURTHER.

THE TRY TO KEEP IN SPIRIT OF BETTERING THEIR PROPERTY. >> THE TREES DON'T AFFECT THE

IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. >> YOU KNOW WE GO BACK AND FORTH LIKE YOU SAY WHICH ARE SEEN IN THE WE SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE REALITY IS WE CAN'T DO SPOT

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ZONING. HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT ARE IN THE POINTE VEDRA ZONING REGULATIONS. UNLESS WE AMEND THOSE RULES. THE RULES THE WAY THEIR CURRENTLY WRITTEN A ROUTE TO AN EXCESS OF VARIANCE GRANTED FOR ITEMS THAT WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST THIS IS A VARIANCE AND WHERE BY REASON OF EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS, SHALLOWNESS OR UNUSUAL SHAPE OF A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY BY REASON OF EXCEPTIONAL TOPOGRAPHICAL CONDITIONS OR OTHER EXTRAORDINARY SITUATIONS OR CONDITIONS OF SUCH PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT'S KIND OF LANGUAGE AS MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU. WE LIKE TO OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

. SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT I WOULD LOOK FOR MOTION.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY POINTE VEDRA ZONING VARIANCE 2021 Ã02 MANNERS 176 SAN JUAN DRIVE REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 8M OF THE POINTE VEDRA DISTRICT TO ALLOW MAXIMUM COVERAGE OF 42.1 PERCENT IN LIEU OF THE 40 PERCENT REQUIREMENT FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL AND

OUTDOOR LIVING AREA AND ARE D1 ZONING FOR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> TABLET COMMENT.

I WAS GONNA ASK IF WE COULD ASK FOR CONTINUANCE. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY TO ASK YOU GUYS TO ALLOW US TO REGROUP A LITTLE BIT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A BETTER PLAN GOING

FORWARD? >> YOU MAY. MY GUESS IS THE ONLY THING MIGHT WANT TO REGROUP ON IS FINDING A UNIQUE WAY TO CHANGE 40 PERCENT.ALS TO GET IN WHILE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO THAT YOU WON'T NEED A VARIANCE. IT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN IF IT GETS DENIED AND THE CUP OF THE SOLUTION THEY CAN STILL MOVE

FORWARD, RIGHT? >> RIGHT THEY WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.

>> WE WON'T NEED TO COME BACK. > I THINK WE TRY TO FIGURE POUT HOW MANY SQUARE FEET, IT'S ABOUT 400 SQUARE FEET ARE OVER. THEY CAN GET 400 SQUARE FEET OUT OF THEIR AND MAKE IT

PERVIOUS THEN THERE IN THE BALLPARK. >> THEN YOU DON'T NEED A

VARIANCE. >> OR KEEP THE WOOD AREA. >> OKAY.

MY GUESS IS IF YOU COME BACK AND ASKED 41.8 PERCENT YOUR ARTS AREN'T REAL GOOD.

>> THEY JUST WANT TO WITHDRAW WITHOUT ANY RULING? >> IS THAT WHICH YOU WOULD LIKE

[3. PVZVAR21-04 Wagner Cabana House. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section III.B of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow for a twenty (20) foot rear set back in lieu of the required twenty-five (25) foot setback to allow for an enclosed pool cabana in R-1-D zoning. ]

TO DO IS WITHDRAWAL? >> YES. >> COUNSEL TO WE NEED TO

SCHEDULE THEM? >> IF THEY COULD WITHDRAW WOULD LIKE IT ON THE RECORD WHICH

MEANS THEY NEED TO STATE THAT INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE. >> THE APPLICANT DOES?

>> YES. I GUESS WE MOVED TO WITHDRAWAL? >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT'S DIFFICULT. MOVE ON TO III AGENDA ITEM.

WHICH IS WEGNER CABANA HOUSE TO ALLOW FOR A 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK IN LOU OF A 25 FOOT SETBACK THE CLOSURE OF A POOL CABANA. JOHN IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW

IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY? >> YES, I VISITED THE SITE BUT HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE.

>> I VISITED THE SITE DID NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE. >> BEJEWELED PIPE BUT DID NOT

ANYONE. >> SAME HERE. I DROVE BY DID NOT ANYONE.

>> DROVE BY BUT NOT ANYONE.> DROVE BY AND DID NOT ANYBODY. >> GAVE HER NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> A MILLION SCOTT WEGNER LIVED HERE 35 FRANKLIN IN POINTE VEDRA .

NOT USED TO DOING THIS, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND THE REST OF THE BOARD.

I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK. WERE NOT ASKING FOR A LOT. IF YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE PUT DOWN WE'VE GOT A BY- EXTENSION ON A POOL HOUSE RIGHT HERE. WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 2011.

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IT WAS A FORECLOSURE. IT HAD SQUATTERS LIVING IN IT. DRUG PARAPHERNALIA WE GUTTED IT AND KEPT THE ADDITION HERE. WILL HOUSE WAS EXISTING AND HAVE THIS CUT OUT RIGHT HERE.

NARDI HAD THE SLAB. JUST WANTED TO ADD THIS A BY-EXTENSION.

IT'S A ONE BEDROOM WITH A BATH AND THIS IS A STORAGE UNIT. TRY TO MAKE THAT INTO A ROOM WHEN WE HAVE GUESTS FOR EXAMPLE FRIENDS WITH KIDS KIDS BEDROOMS ARE HERE IN THE MASTER BEDROOM TEAR. THIS IS THE ONLY GUEST BEDROOM. WE HAVE FRIENDS WITH KIDS WERE

TRYING TO PUT IN A LITTLE ROOM WITH >>> BEDS. THAT'S ALL.

SO THE EXISTING NOT CHANGING OBVIOUSLY THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO OUR REAR NEIGHBOR.

THE SITE IS NOT BEING AFFECTED AND OUR REAR NEIGHBOR WITH THEORETICALLY WOULD BE BOTHERIG HIM HAS CONCLUDED WE HAVE A LETTER THAT HE SAYS HE'S FINE AND IN FAVOR OF IT.

DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU TURN THE SIN. >> I BELEVE WE SEEN THAT.

I HAVE. I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> IN OTHER WORDS TECHNICALLY THE VARIANCE IS ALREADY EXISTING FOR THE PART THAT YOU'RE ADDING ONTO.

IT WAS JUST SOMETHING. >> STARTED NONCONFORMING. PURITY OVER THE SETBACKS RIGHT

NOW WITH THE PORTION THAT'S EXISTING. >> JACOB WERE NOT CHANGING ANY TERMS OF THE RELATIONSHIP OF THE STUFF IN THIS IS BEEN HERE SINCE 1975 OR 1976.

>> DISCOUNTING HEAVEN AERIAL THAT WE CAN SHOW WHERE THE REAR SETBACK LINE >> PETER I HAVE A SLIDE WITH THAT'S LITTLE NICER THAN THE AERIAL PERIOD OF A SLIDE WITH THE SITE PLAN ON THE POWERPOINT. IT SHOULD GIVE US A GOOD IDEA. IT'S NOT THE BEST IMAGE QUALITY BUT, YOU CAN SEE FOR THE REQUESTED 20 FOOT SETBACK IS ON THERE.

SO THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 5 FEET MORE. YOU INDICATED THAT BUILDING IS NONCONFORMING SO THEIR ATTEMPT IS TO BRING IT INTO CONFORMITY WITH THE 20 FOOT SETBACK.

>> IF YOU WERE TO DRAW THE REDLINE OVER THE REAR SETBACK IT WOULD RUN 5 FOOT TO THE

MIDDLE OF THAT EXISTING CABANA. >> THAT'S CORRECT SIR. >> THE ADDITIONAL CLOSURE WILL

NOT ENCROACH ANYMORE. >> IT IS NOT. THE SPEED REPRESENTED TO BE

EVEN WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WE HAD A CASE SIMILAR TO THIS WHERE AN APPLICANT CAME AND THEY HAD BASICALLY AN OUTDOOR PATIO WITH THE CONCRETE SURFACE AND ROOFING AND THEY WANTED TO ENCLOSE IT.

IT WAS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING RESTRICTION LINE. AND THIS OUTSIDE LIVING AREA HAD NOT BEEN PERMITTED. IT WAS BUILT BY HER PRIOR OWNER.

WHEN THEY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR PERMISSION TO ENCLOSE IT IT WAS DENIED.

BECAUSE WHILE IT WAS EXISTING WE WERE GOING TO B. >> THIS IS DIFFERENT THE FACT IT'S EXISTING AND ALREADY ENCLOSED LIVING SPACE AND IT'S ALREADY ENCROACHING.

>> ARE TRYING TO ENCLOSE APART THAT IS CURRENTLY OPEN. IT WAS OPEN.

>> VEGA BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DRAWING THE PLACE ON HERE. THIS IS THE POOL HOUSE.

THE POOL IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS ONE BEDROOM LIKE ONE BATHROOM AND A LITTLE MINI KITCHENETTE AND THERE'S A STORAGE UNIT IN THE BACK THAT'S ONE CONTINUOUS ROOF.

JUST EXTENDING THE SMALL AND THE SMALL. THERE'S A BACK PATIO THAT GOES ALONG HERE. WERE WELL UNDER THE 40 PERCENT. WERE JUST AN EXTENSION OF THE

EXISTING 9 BY 8. >> THE TOP RIGHT SECTION FOR THAT-AS IS ALREADY ENCROACHING

BY 5 FEET. >> THE KNOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS

ENCLOSE THE DASH AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? >> IN THE DASH AREA IS NOT

CURRENTLY ENCLOSED. >> NO MA'AM. WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT?

THE OTHER OWNER UNTIL HEAD REQUESTED TO ENCLOSE. >> HALF OF THE PREVIOUS TEAL OWNER HAD HALF OF THAT ENCLOSED LIVING IN IT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DIFFERENT THAN NONE OF IT

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ENCLOSED IN UNDERUSE. THEY ARE ALREADY LIVING IN THE SPACE.

THIS IS ALREADY FINISHED SPACE THAT'S BEEN ENCROACHING FOR A LONG TIME.

SO BY FILLING IN THE.AREA THERE NOT ADDING TO THE ENCROACHMENT THEY ARE STILL THE SAME ENCROACHMENT THAT THEY HAVE ON THE EXISTING FINISH. IT IS DIFFERENT.

THE CEMENT SLAB WAS ONLY THERE. >> ARE SO IMPERVIOUS SITUATION. THIS IS CLEARLY CROSSING THE

REAR SETBACK LINE. >> YES SIR. >> WITH AN ADDITIONAL SPACE

WHICH IS ART ENCROACHING BY 5 FEET. >> GASSER.

>> ARE YOU CHANGING THE ROOF LINE? >> I MEAN THAT RIGHT THERE THAT'S HOW THAT IS. THIS IS WHERE AN EXTENSIVE THIS IS WHAT COMES OUT.

THERE'S A PACKET WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HARD ENCLOSED IT. OBVIOUSLY WE WERE ADVISED INCORRECTLY THAT OUR CONSTRUCTION WORK WAS NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR VARIANCE WE DO NOT NAC/VELY KNOW. SO HENCE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE BY THE

BOOK. >> IN OTHER WORDS YOU STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN WAS INFORMED THAT IT WAS A NONCONFORMING SITUATION. THEY DISCOVERED THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T CONFORM TO IT AND THEN YOU STOPPED AND YOU CAME TO US FOR THE PROCESS.

>> YES. SO TECHNICALLY THERE'S A ROOF ON THEIR AND THEIR SIDEWALLS WE ARE PREPARED TO GO ONE OF 2 WAYS. EITHER CONTINUE AND BE FINISHED OR RIPPED DOWN THE WALLS ROOF OF THE PART OF THE ROOF THAT WAS PUT ON THERE.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS. OF THAT BUILDING YOU HAVE THE DOTTED UPPER LEFT CORNER.

WHAT PORTION OF THAT WHOLE STRUCTURE HAS RECENTLY BEEN REBUILT?

JUST THE DOTTED AREA FOR THAT WHOLE BUILDING? >> THE SIDE WE HAD A MOLD ISSUE IN A WATER ISSUE. AS PART OF THIS FIXING WE PUT IN NEW FLOORING ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE OF WATER AND MOLD AND ALL THAT OTHER KIND OF STUFF AND IN THE PROCESS OF THAT THIS WAS LIKE WHAT WE DO THIS THAT WOULD BE GREAT THAT WE HAVE A GUEST BEDROOM IN THE GUESTHOUSE WHEN KIDS VISIT. THEN WHEN WE ARE MADE AWARE OF WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS INCORRECT WE STOPPED. WE FINISHED THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND THAT WAS ALL CLEARED. THIS IS THE VARIANCE WE NEED A PERMISSION.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IT'S EITHER GO OR NO GO. IT'S EITHER BEING RIPPED DOWN

THE OLD WALLS ARE BEING FINISHED AGAIN OVER ADDING ON. >> FOR CLARIFICATION THE DOTTED

LINE IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S NEW WHERE THE 20 SIDE IS. >> OR THE DOTTED LINE IS WOULD BE NEW. EVERYTHING HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE.

>> IT WAS REPAIRED NOT BUILD NEW. >> CORRECT.

>> ONLY THING TOTALLY BRAND-NEW SEDONA AREA. >> IN OTHER WORDS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOGRAPH WITH THE POOL IN THE BACKYARD THE LEFT-HAND SIDE COTTAGE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IN THE BACK THAT SHOWS THE NEW SIDING IS PTHE AREA YOU'VE ADDED.

>> IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LEFT THIS RIGHT HERE. IT'S B.

>> THE SITE PHOTOGRAPH. THE SITE PHOTOGRAPH. >> THE SITE PHOTOGRAPH IS THE

ENTIRE BUILDING RIGHT HERE. >> SHOWS IT CLEARLY. IS THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.

>> IT WAS ALL EXISTED EXCEPT FOR THE DOTTED AREA. >> THAT SECTION WAS FILLED IN.

EVERYTHING ELSE EXISTED AND I CAN SEE WHY THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT BECAUSE IF THE AREA BEHIND IT WAS ARGUED THERE AND HE WAS JUST ADDING AND BUILDING IT IN.

IT JUST WASN'T PICKED UP UNTIL DATES ONLY RELATES NO, THE BACK.

NEVER GOT A VARIANCE. >> DO NOT ENCROACHING ANYMORE. SINCE YOU BEEN IN THERE.

>>, ALYSSA BUILDING BEEN THERE? >> THE MAIN HOUSE IF WE COME BACK THIS AREA RINGER WAS BUILT IN 76 WE BOUGHT IN 2011. WAITED AND THIS WAS EXISTING. WE JUST ADDING THIS.

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THIS HOUSE, THE GUESTHOUSE CAUGHT THE POOL HOUSE IF YOU WANT TO CALL.COM HAS BEEN A TORN KNOWLEDGE GOING BACK TO 75 TO 76 WHEN THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS BUILT.

WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DID RESEARCH AND THERE WERE MULTIPLE PRIDE COMPLAINTS APPARENTLY AGAINST SOMEBODY WAS RENTING THIS GUESTHOUSE OUT ITS NEIGHBORS, THERE WAS ONE GOING BACK IN 86 AND BEFORE. OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T BUY UNTIL 2011.

IT'S OUT OF US. WERE TRYING TO FIND MICROFICHE TO GET RECORDS OF WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE IT WAS IT DONE THE SAME HOUSE ARE PERMITTED. HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE IT WAS

DONE THE SAME TIME OR NEARBY. >> MEAGAN 61 JACKSON AVENUE PORCH, WE PROVED THAT.

>> I WAS TALKED ABOUT THE PLACE OF RETAIL. THIS IS DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT THE BUILDING IS THE PART THAT IS CLOSEST, MOST ENCROACHING IS THERE'S ALREADY THIS AL-SHAPED.

THIS IS NOT MAKING IT WORSE. >> OKAY. THOUGHT WE DISAPPROVED OUT.

>> WE HAVE, THE RETAIL ONE WAS. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE PRESIDENTIAL STREETS OR

FOUNDING FATHERS AS I CALL THEM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IF NOT ABOUT TO OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT I WOULD OPEN IT UP FOR MOTION. >> RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL 21 Ã

2 NATURAL LIFE. >> NO, IT'S 2104. >> OKAY MOTION TO APPROVE THEY ARE 21 Ã4 WEGNER CABANA HOUSE REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE TO SECTION 3 B OF POINTE VEDRA ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW 20 FOOT REAR SETBACK THE WITH THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT SETBACK TO ALLOW FOR AN ENCLOSURE OF FULL CABANA BASED ON 4 FINDINGS AND SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS AS

LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> AND A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> WILL GO TO VOICE VOTE. STARTING WITH JOHN OKAY READY T AGAIN?

[4. REZ21-02 Natural Life 510 A1A N. Request to rezone approximately one (1) acre of land from Commercial (R- 3) with conditions to Commercial (R-3) in order to allow commercial uses on the subject property that are not restricted to Office/Professional uses. ]

ITEM NUMBER 4. THE NATURAL LIFE HAS ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE. >> WESTERN, MCAFEE.

I SENT AN EMAIL THIS MORNING IN LIGHT OF SOME CONCERNS IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE BUSINESS PARK. THAT WE DECIDED TO HUDDLE UP ON FRIDAY BUT THE COUNTY OFFICES WERE CLOSED. I REQUESTED A DEFERRAL CONTINUANCE SO WE CAN GO MEET SOME OF THE BUSINESS PARK OWNERS AND STAKEHOLDERS AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE OVERALL INTERIOR SPACE PROGRAM AND ARCHITECTURE FOR OUR REQUEST. OUR REQUEST WAS IN PART 3 ZONING AND WERE ASKING FOR SOME RETAIL AND RESTAURANT COMPONENTS WITH IT.

WE WERE GOING TO SELF IMPOSE LIMITATIONS ON THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE IN SIDE.

THEY WANTED A MERCHANDISE COUNTER AND A COFFEE CAFC) SIT DOWN PLACE INSIDE SO WE WANT TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND HAVE THEM HELP PROGRAM SO WE MITIGATE ANY CONCERNS WITH CIRCULATION AND THE PARKING.

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>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU SOME OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO

SPEAK I THINK THEY'RE COMING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL GET CONTINUED.>> FOR THE TIME CONSTRAINT IF WE DON'T MIND WE WILL CONTINUE IT WHEN WE HOLD ALL OF THAT.

>> WE DISCUSSED THIS AT ASSOCIATION BOARD MEETING TODAY.

THE OWNERS MET WITH THEM AND I JOINED VIA ZOOM CALL. WE CONTINUE THIS AND THEY WILL

BE PART OF HER NECK STEPS. >> ACTUALLY A COMMENT. IT WILL BE HELPFUL WHEN IT COMES BACK IF THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A SMALL CAFC) IS AND THE DEFINITION OF WHAT SOME RETAIL

SPACE. >> I AGREE. >> LEFT A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

>> AND THERE ISN'T ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT TAKES RESTAURANT AND MAKES IT A CAFC).

LOW TURNOVER KIND OF BOUTIQUE. UNFORTUNATELY IT JUST SAYS RESTAURANT.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. >> GAP WE WILL COME IN WITH A FULL SELF-IMPOSED PACKAGE FOR LIMITATION BECAUSE WE WANT THE PARKING TO FIT WILL BE HAVING THE INTERIOR.

>> THE PARKING WAS WHAT I WAS MOST INTERESTED IN. >> GOT 49 SPACES AND WE USE THE CODE TO SEE WITH THE INTERIOR SPACE WITH THE BIKE. THE RETAIL AND RESTAURANT WILL ALWAYS BE ACCESSORY SIMILAR TO THE STUDIO SPACE FOR NATURAL LIFE.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND SHOW HOW WE CAN MAKE PROTECTIONS IN

THAT FOR ANY IMPOSE CONDITIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.>> THE NEXT

[5. Ponte Vedra Blvd Parking Ordinance. Public Hearing – Amending Section IX.D.11 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations and Repealing Ordinance 2006-68. ]

AGENDA ITEM TODAY AT NUMBER 5. REX I'M SORRY MR. CHAIR. ORRY.

I DON'T MEAN TO TAG TEAM YOU BUT WE WILL NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TO JULY.

>> I NEED A MOTION TO CONTINUANCE FOR THE NATURAL LIFE VARIANCE.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY HI. >> DID YOU CONTINUE TO THE TIME

CERTAIN? THE NEXT MEETING IS JUNE 7. >> YES, IF YOU COULD SCHEDULE

FOR THE NEXT MEETING, JUNE 7. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO ON THE PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD ORDINANCE I LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE WE START. KINDA CLARIFYING. THERE'S BEEN SOME SOCIAL MEDIA COMMUNICATION THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERBALIZING SOME THINGS. THE MST CAME TO US LAST MEETING AND REQUESTED TO CHANGE THE VERBIAGE IN THE CODE ON JUST THE PARKING.

THIS BOARD WANTED TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT THAT SAID AND DIDN'T WANT TO RUN IT THROUGH AND ASKED MST NOT ONLY TO COME BACK AND GIVE US MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT SMALL PARAGRAPH MEANT BUT, GET THE WORD OUT. TO MANY TIMES MAKES A GOOD LOGICAL DECISION AND IT GETS PASSED OR NOT PASSED IN THE PUBLIC FIND OUT LATER AND GETS UP IN ARMS WHEN THEY WERE HERE TO HEAR THE FACTS. USUALLY THEY HEAR RUMORS AND INFORMATION THAT IS FALSE AND UNTRUE. IN THIS BOARD GETS THROWN UNDER THE BUS FALSELY. I JUST WANTED THE WORD TO GET OUT SO HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC HAS HAD A CHANCE TO DIGEST WHAT THIS REWRITE AND PARKING ORDINANCE WILL MEAN.

AND HAS COME AND VOICE THEIR OPINION. THAT BEING SAID, BRAD DUMONT PRESENT? OR IS ACCOUNTING TO THE PRESENT?

>> THINK IT MR. CHAIRMAN. JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

I DO NOT MEAN TO BE AT A RATE VERY MUCH OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID BUT, LIKE YOU SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING WE HAD DISCUSSED SOME POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE TRAINING ON THE PARKING ON POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. THE BOARD REQUESTED THAT MR. BRAD WESTER GO TO THE MST MAKE SURE ALL ROIS WERE DOTTED AND TEES WERE CROSSED AS REGARD TO PUBLIC OUTRAGE IN MAKING SURE EVERYONE WAS IN THE LOOP AS TO WHAT WE WERE DOING. AND, JUST BRIEFLY THE AMENDMENT GENERALLY SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY REMOVING THE LANGUAGE ALLOWING FOR LIMITED REASONABLE DURATION PARKING BY DELIVERY, MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR VEHICLES.

I HAVE PROVIDED THE WHOLE LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENTS IN THIS POWERPOINT.

I WILL HAND IT OVER TO BRAD TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.

WHAT THE MST MEETINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND CERTAINLY HE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

AND I'LL STAND BY IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> HELLO, BRAD WESTER AGAIN. STILL WITH DRIVER MCAFEE THIS TIME REPRESENTING THE MST.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE MUNIZ DECIBEL SERVICE DISTRICT. PROUD TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS. IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. TO TABLE THIS BACK IN DECEMBER TO PUT ANOTHER WORD OUT AND FULLY VET THIS AND WE DID THAT. I HAVE A PRESENTATION AND I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH. IT PROVIDES MORE HISTORICAL CONTEXT OF THE PARKING REQUEST.

THE FACTS, PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS A 2-LANE MAJOR COLLECTOR.

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6.6 MINE MILES IN LENGTH. THE SUBJECT AREA IS FROM EICHLER'S TO THE ST. JOHN'S CLIMBING LINE PROJECT SPEECH LOCATED IN THE MST. THE ORIGINAL PARKING ORDINANCE WAS DRAFTED IN 2002 AND ADOPTED IN JANUARY 2003. THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC HOMES AND FULL-TIME RESIDENTS OVER THE PAST 18 YEARS SINCE THE ADOPTION FROM THE ORIGINAL PARKING ORDINANCE. THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS JUST A PARAGRAPH.

IN 2003 Ã05 AND IN ALLOWED OVERSIGHTS VEHICLES TO PARK ON THE BOULEVARD FOR A LIMITED AND REASONABLE DURATION OF TIME NECESSARY FOR SERVICES PROVIDED.

THEN IN 2008 THE NEW PARKING ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF JUST THE PARAGRAPH WAS A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AT THIS AND IT WAS MEANT TO GIVE A NEW LOOK AT WHAT ISSUES THEY WERE HAVING FOR THE 2003 ORDINANCE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT I DID IS REPEALED AND REPLACED THE 03 2003 05 ORDINANCE NEW PARKING ORDINANCE CLARIFICATIONS ABOUT STATUTORY DEFINITIONS AND THE OVERSIGHTS VEHICLES AND THE AMOUNT OF DURATION THERE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE.

ANYTHING LONGER THAN 10 MINUTES WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE SAFETY CONES OR 5 PERSONS.

THOSE ISSUES SINCE THAT TIME FRAME IN 06, THE COMMERCIAL SERVICE VEHICLES USED PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD WHEN PROVIDING ROUTINE MAINTENANCE OF SERVICES FROM PROPERTIES.

THAT'S GENERALLY LONG MAINTENANCE, MASS RESUPPLY, LANDSCAPE, IS GENERALLY THE TRUCKS THAT PULL TRAILERS THAT ARE ON A CONSTANTLY WEEKLY ROTATION FOR ROUTINE SERVICES.

THE OFFSTREET VEHICLES BLOCK TRAFFIC AND CREATE UNSAFE CONDITION AND OBSERVE NOTE RECOGNIZE MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC STANDARDS. SINCE 2006 THE ISSUE HAS EVOLVED TO OFFSTREET PARKING ON THE PUBLIC MAJOR COLLECTOR UNLIKE SOLANA, CORONA, ROSCOE AND PUNTER VITO BOULEVARD NORTH OF THE JACK'S BEACHLINE. THEY DON'T ALLOW PARKING AT ALL. AND HAVE VERY SIMILAR CONSTRAINT ISSUES WITH THE SIZE OF PAVEMENT WITH, THE HOUSES THAT ARE SERVED, THE RIGHT AND RIGHT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAYS.

THE RIGHT ANGLES FROM START OF THE DRIVEWAYS. AND THE REQUEST HERE IS AN AMENDMENT SPONSORED BY THE MST TRUSTEES TO UPDATE AND CLARIFY THE EXISTING PARKING REGULATIONS FOR PUNTER VELA BOULEVARD. ADDING AND UNLOADING IS ALLOWED. WITH PROPER MOT. MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC.

NO ON STREET PARKING FOR SERVICE VEHICLES. THE AMENDMENT INTERESTED SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ON STREET PARKING WITHOUT UTILIZING STANDBYS MOT.

THIS WILL MAKE PUNTER VITO BOULEVARD CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE MAJOR COLLECTORS IN THE AREA AND OUR AREA SPECIFICALLY. THE TIMELINE, WE HAD MST MEETINGS THROUGHOUT 2020.

I'M ON MY SECOND TERM AS CHAIR. WE SPEARHEADED THIS INITIATIVE OVER SOME CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING. THEY WERE FIELDED BY PASSESS MST TRUSTEES BY PHONE CALL AND EMAIL CONCERNS OF PARKING AND ABUSE OF THAT PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD.

WE DISCUSSED THIS. IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR OVER A YEAR AND WE DISCUSSED IT DISCUSS HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. WORK WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY STAFF AND TRANSPORTATION ABOUT WHAT TEXT AND HOW COULD A PART OF THE LANGUAGE.

MST TRUSTEES MET AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WE VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT LANGUAGE WITH THE MST ATTORNEY IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S. PATRICK AND PAULA.

PAULA WAS HERE AT THE TIME. PAUL OSORIO. WE SENT THIS TO PUBLIC HEARING WITH FULL ADVERTISEMENT NOTICES. THEN IT WAS TABLE TO ADVERTISE FOR PUBLIC. BUT WE DID IS WE SENT AN EMAIL BLAST OUT TO THE MST.

WE HAD A MEETING IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY SPECIFICALLY LINE ITEM IN THE JENNA FOR MST FOR PARKING CLEANER WEBSITE AND ADVERTISE IN OUR PAPER FOR THE MEETINGS.

WE WORKED WITH THE PONCHO BETA COMMUNITY SITUATION AND IT WAS PARKED IN THE NEWSLETTER.

SET UP A NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS NOTICE. IT WASN'T ATTACHED TO A PUBLIC HEARING DATE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE STATED YET. IT DID SAY IN THE FUTURE.

THAT WILL BE AN AMENDMENT TO DISCUSS WE DID LAST THE MST MEETINGS IN THERE.

NEWSPAPER ARTICLES. THERE WAS ONE PUBLISHED IN JANUARY WHICH WAS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE DECEMBER HEARING AND THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN RECENTLY WAS LAST MONTH.

DESCRIBING THE OVERALL CONTEXT OF THE AMENDMENT. THEN WE MET WITH STAFF AGAIN ON FAVORITE 25TH TO SOLIDIFY SOME OF THE LANGUAGE. HERE'S A SECTION UPON HER VELA BOULEVARD. GOES FROM THE JACKSON BEACHLINE TO MY PLAYERS.

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WE SEE THE OTHER ROADWAYS IN HERE THAT WERE DISCUSSED, SOLANA AS IT TURNS INTO ROSCOE AND CORONA. THEY'RE ALL VERY SIMILAR. DON'T ALLOW PARKING WHATSOEVER.

AS WELL AS POINTE VEDRA IN JAX BEACH. WE DO NOT ALLOW PARKING WHATSOEVER. IT CHANGES ONCE YOU HAVE POINTE VEDRA .

HERE'S THE SIGNS ARE CURRENTLY ADORNED WHEN TO ENTER POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.NDICATOR THERE NO PARKING REGULATIONS IN EFFECT AND IT LISTS THE ORDINANCE NUMBER ON THERE AND IN SPECIFIC TALKS ABOUT THE INTENT. OVERSIZE VEHICLE, 10 MINUTES OR LESS. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE SOME OF THE PARKING GOING ON.

THIS IS A TRAILER TRUCK AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARROW THAT REALLY SHOWS CARS 90 ALL THE WAY THROUGHTHERE. WAITING IN QUEUE TO GO AROUND THAT TRUCK.

YOU CAN SEE OTHER CARS INCLUDING MINE ITSELF THAT WERE DRIVING ALONG APPEAR IN FRONT OF ME. THERE REALLY IS NO MAINTENANCE TO TRAFFIC STANDARD.

IT'S A FREE-FOR-ALL. YOU PULL OUT ACROSS THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE INTO HEAD ON TRAFFIC. SOMETIMES RECYCLERS, RUNNERS, BIKERS, YOU NAME IT.

AND OF COURSE CARS. IT'S UP TO YOU ON HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN GET AROUND FOR THE SAFETY OF YOUR OWN VEHICLE AND PASSENGERS. THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF TRUCKS WITH TRAVELERS. WITH THE ABILITY TO PARK DRIVEWAYS.

THAT ART CIRCULAR HEALTH SECONDARY INTEREST. IT CAN BE DONE.

IT'S DONE QUITE OFTEN. THAT'S THE TRAILER PARK TO THE WAY.THIS IS ONE OF DOING GLASS WINDOW REPAIR OF HIS HOUSE. SEE THE SCUFFLING.

THEY PULLED IN. THIS MORNING HAS SKIDS TEAR BACKHOE ON THE TRAILER.

NEED TO PARK IN THE BOULEVARD. THEY GOT IN THERE. HERE'S ONE, ANOTHER EARTHWORK BEING PARKED IN A LOT AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER ONE MY DRIVEWAY TRUCK PULLING A TRAILER.

IT CAN BE DONE. YOU KNOW ABOUT THE PROPOSED UPDATES BASICALLY ARE TRUCK AND THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE ARE PITCHING TO BE ADOPTED. TRUCK AND TRUCK TRAILER IN CHAPTER 316. ONLY WHEN USED TO TRANSPORT AND DELIVER FURNITURE, APPLIANCES,

>>> MATERIALS AND OTHER BELONGINGS WERE PROPERTY OF A PERSON AND ONLY FOR SO LONG AS VISIBLY NECESSARY TO LOAD OR UNLOAD. WHAT THAT IS IS THE ONE-OFF EVENT. HER ORDERING A REFRIGERATOR. YOU'VE GOT TILE BE DELIVERED AT YOUR HOUSE. GIVE A PALLET OF SOD. WE UNDERSTAND THIS MORNING-OFF OFFENSE. NOT ROUTINE DELIVERIES THROUGH ANNUAL YEAR END.

PARKING SAID VEHICLE FOR GREATER THAN 10 MINUTES SHALL REQUIRE THE USE OF AN ON-SITE FLIGHT PERSON OR SAFETY CONES. THIS EXCEPTION, THIS IS WHERE THE ORDINANCE DIVERSITY PROVIDES TEETH TO CLEANING UP THE BOULEVARD. THIS EXCEPTION DOES NOT APPLY TO REGULAR PERIODIC DELIVERIES OR REGULAR PERIODIC SERVICES PROVIDED TO A PROPERTY OR PERSON FOR THE PURPOSES OF LAWN MAINTENANCE OR OTHER MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR SERVICES. TYPICALLY STATES IF IT'S A ROUTINE SERVICE YOU NEED TO

PULL INTO THE PROPERTY YOUR SERVICING. >> ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT SERVICE VEHICLES PARKING ON STREET GOOD SECOND ACCESS IN THE RIGHT OF WEIGHT MAY BE ALLOWED FOR PROPERTIES UNDER HUNDRED 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE THAT CAN DISPLAY HARDSHIP FOR OVERSIZE VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE DESIGN CRITERIA IN THE CODE. I WORK WITH MR. SCOTT ON THIS. IT'S ALLOWS US TO HEAR FOLKS THAT MIGHT HAVE A TRUE HARDSHIP BECAUSE OF A SAFETY CONCERN FOR A VEHICLE THAT CAN OR CANNOT PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY. MIGHT BE A STEEP SLOPE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

WHAT IT DOES IS REDEFINE THE DEFINITION FOR PROPERTIES UNDER HUNDRED 50 FEET.

IT GIVES THEM LITLE BIT MORE LATITUDE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE TO PROVE THEY HAVE A HARDSHIP. IT HELPS IDENTIFY THEM. THAT'S A CONSIDERATION ON THE TABLE AS WELL. WE RECOGNIZE THAT. THAT'S THE AMENDMENT CHANGES WE ARE ASKING FOR. WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THE PUBLIC NOTICES OUT.

OUR FOLKS ARE OPPOSING THIS. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN EMAILS OR HAD PHONE CALLS.

BUT, IT REALLY SUMS IT UP. THE POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS ON A PRIVATE PARKING SPACE.

WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH SOLANA AND CORONA AND ROSCOE AND POINTE VEDRA IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH. WE THINK THAT CONSISTENCY REALLY HELPS FROM A SAFETY AND LIFE QUALITY ISSUE AS WELL AS AN ENFORCEMENT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE THINK THIS WILL GO A LONG WAY AND WE THINK IT WILL EQUALIZE.

WILL THERE BE ISSUES IN THE GETTY BECAUSE SOME FOLKS IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO PULL INTO A DRIVEWAY? WE DON'T DISCOUNT THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THEM.

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THOSE ARE ONE-OFF AND IT SHOULDN'T BE APPLIED TO EVERYBODY TO ALLOW POINTE VEDRA TO BECOME PRIVATE PARKING SPACES FOR WHAT WAS DESCRIBED IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERATION OF YOUR APPROVAL. FOLKS THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS?

>> OF COURSE. OKAY. TION 11 B. WHICH I DON'T THANK YOU HAVE 11 BE UP THERE. IN THE MINUTES WE SAID IT WOULD BE CHANGE TO MAIL THE PACKAGE TO THE RE VEHICLES. THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN A PACKET DOESN'T HAVE ABOUT.

ALSO, ABOUT QUESTION, D IS MISSING THE >>> MATERIALS. IN BOTH PLACES IS INCLUDED.

IT'S IN OUR PACKET IS NOT THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. >> WE CAN CONDITION HIM TO BE ADDED FOR THIS MEETING. DELIVERY VEHICLES CAUGHT UPS, AMAZON, PRIVATE TRUCKS THAT ARE DELIVERING FURNITURE AT THOSE ARE CLEARLY THE INTENT TO LOVE THOSE DEPART FOR A REASONABLE DURATION OF TIME. THEY ARE NOT THERE, IT'S A ONE-OFF EVENT.

IT'S A LOT MORE PALATABLE FROM A CIRCULATION STANDPOINT THAN THE 15 TO 20 LANDSCAPE CONTRACTORS ARE PARKED ON THE BOULEVARD EVERY DAY PER WEEK. EVERYONE IS DOING A SLALOM COURSE PASSING AND TRY TO GET AROUND THEM AND THERE'S NO TRUE MAINTENANCE AND TRAFFIC STANDARD. WE PUT A CODE OUT THERE IN THE TRADES ARE DOING THEIR JOBS.

>> THE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN OUR PACKET I DON'T THINK IS A CURRENT LANGUAGE.

IT'S MISSING THE DELIVERY VEHICLES AND THE >>> DELIVERABLE.>> ÃJACOB ABOUT

THAT. >> SHOULD BE IN THERE. >> YEAH.

>> IT APPEARS IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN AND WHAT WE

FINALLY HAVE DETERMINED. >> LANGUAGE THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS IS REALLY THE AMENDMENT SECTION WERE DOING FOR D IS THIS. THE OTHER THING FOR DELIVERIES THAT'S ALLOWED LEX WILL BE SCHOOL BUSES, UTILITY VEHICLES, THOUGHTS ALLOWED TO PARK AS

NEEDED. JACOB, CAN YOU B&. >> JACOBS WITH THE GROWTH

MANAGEMENT. SWARMS OF >>> MATERIALS I BELIEVE THAT IS SIMPLY AN OVERSIGHT OF MINE WHEN I INSERTED THE NEWLY CHANGED LANGUAGE WHICH IS NOT LAST 2

SENTENCES OF WHAT WE'VE GOT UP ON DISPLAY HERE. WE CAN MAKE SURE >>> MATERIALS

IS INCLUDED IN THERE. >> LIKE THAT RETYPE THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT WE HAD AGREED TO. AND WHAT'S IN THE PACKET IS DIFFERENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE CAN MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION AND THE REMOVAL OF U.S. POSTAL SERVICE AND MAIL DELIVERY VEHICLES TO BE REPLACED WITH PACKAGE MAIL

DELIVERY VEHICLES. >> BASICALLY ADD PACKAGE DELIVERY VEHICLES.

IT APPLIES IT'S JUST US POSTAL AND MAIL DELIVERY. THE IMPLICATION WE AGREED TO IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS TO INCLUDE PACKAGE DELIVERY VEHICLES.

WHICH WOULD INCLUDE FEDEX, UPS AND AMAZON. >> OKAY.

>> HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> JUST A FOLLOW-UP ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS. ONCE IT HAPPENS THAN PEOPLE WILL REACT AS BROWN SAID.

THEY ALWAYS WILL. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS COULD HAPPEN.

HOW IS THAT GOING TO WORK? >> WELL, WE WILL WORK, WE CAN SEND OUT NOTICES.

THE MSD CAN SPONSOR US TO SEND OUT NOTICES THAT IF THE ORDINANCE IS PASSED.

SINCE THIS DOES AFFECT FOLKS ALONG THE BOULEVARD. IT'S A TRADE CENTER PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD THAT ARE SERVING HOUSES ON A ROUTINE BASIS. WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE AN UPDATE THAT THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO CHANGE. THAT'S HARD TO DO.

LEWDLY SEND OUT MAILERS OF THAT ONE AND TEST CHANGE. I TALKED TO A LOT OF LANDSCAPE PARTNERS AS WELL. THEY DO THE ORDINANCE IS COMING THERE STILL PARKING ON THE STREET AND WAITING FOR TO PASS. IT'S BECOME SO CONVENIENT AND IT'S BEEN A LEARNED BEHAVIOR THAT'S ABUSIVE TO WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE ROMANCE WAS.

THE LIMITED DURATION HAS STARTED TO 1 TO AND A HALF HOURS AT A TIME PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD. SOMETIMES STACKED 2 OR 3 DEEP MINUTES BECOME A SAFETY ISSUE.

I SPOKE WITH SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SPOKE WITH OUR MSD DEPUTY WHO HAS A LINEAGE ON THIS AS FAR AS OUR LONG-TERM DEPUTY, DEPUTY TEDDER AS WELL AS DIRECTOR SCOTT BEAVER'S.

THEY SAY THEY SUPPORT US WITH THIS CHANGE. THEY SUPPORT THIS CHANGE.

JUST MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH CORONA, ROSCOE, SOLANA AND POINTE VEDRA .

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REGARDLESS TO HER DIVORCE WHATEVER ORDINANCE IS ADOPTED. THEY DO SUPPORT WHAT WERE

DOING. >> I FEEL THERE'S GOT TO BE, I SPOKE TO OFFICER TEETER.

I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE WARNINGS OF THE BEGINNING FOR NOT JUST GONNA START RUNNING TICKETS. TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO GET THE WORD OUT.

ONCE IT'S OUT, EVEN WANTED NEXT TIME YOU GET A TICKET. I THINK IT'LL CLARIFY REAL

QUICK. >> YEAH, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW THE WHAT IT REALLY MEANS MOVE YOUR VEHICLE 5 FEET AND THAT MEANS THAT RESTARTS THE CLOCK ON THE TEMPORARY PARKING.

UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON. AND IT DOES HAPPEN.

I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S DISCRETIONARY. THIS WILL BE HAPPY HAND WHAT'S INSTANTLY ABOUT RUNNING TICKETS. IT'S TO HELP FREE UP THE

CIRCULATION OF THE BOULEVARD FOR SAFETY AND TRAFFIC COMPLEX. >> WAS JUST TRY TO PERTAIN, STATE MAKING SURE WE EDUCATED EVERYBODY MORE THAN THEY ARE THE ARM.

>> WE WILL PUT NOTICES OUT. HOPE IT NOTICES OUT GIVE THEM TO EVERYBODY.

THOSE ON BOULEVARD. THIS 362 LOTS ON THE BOULEVARD. SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT THIS MAINLY APPLIES TO. THE CLUBS E PARK ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

WE WILL GET THAT LIST TO GET IT ALL SENT OUT IF THIS WERE TO BE APPROVED.

ZONING ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND COUNTY COMMISSION. >> BROWN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES I TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS IS HOW DANGEROUS IT IS WHEN SOMEONE PACKS OUT ONTO THE BOULEVARD. MY RESPONSE IS TO THAT IS YOUR BACKING UP BOULEVARD IT TAKES 15 TO 20 SECONDS TYPICALLY FOR SOME UNGODLY VIEW VERSUS BEING PART OF THE BOULEVARD FOR 40 MINUTES TO MILAN. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> I AGREE. I HAVE HAD ABOUT,. TALK TO FOLKS WHO ARE OPPOSING THIS CHANGE. IT IS CONVENIENT TO HAVE LANDSCAPE CAR CONTRACTOR.

COULD BE A GAS SUPPLY, LOAN TREATMENT SPIRIT OR, BOULEVARD AND UP THE DRIVEWAY.

I AGREE. I HAVE TIMED IT.UCKEYE VIDEOS OF THE PARKING BACKING TRAILER TO MY PROPERTY AND IT LITERALLY TOOK LESS THAN A MINUTE AND THE BOULEVARD IS

CLEAR. THAT'S WAY BETTER THAN AN HOUR. >> PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT AND

IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT ACTS AS A MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC WERE SOMEONE'S OUT THERE STOP TRAFFIC TO BACK THE TRAILER IN.

AS TRUCKS AND TRAILERS GOOD WITH AIRCRAFT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY DRIVE.

>> THEY COULD DO IT. IT'S AMAZING. IT'S DUMB ALL THE TIME.

I JUST SHOWED YOU. YOU COULD DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD INTO THESE TRUCKS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY. IT HAS BECOME A COMMITTED ABUSE FOR CREDITING A PRIVATE PARKING

SPACE OF A PUBLIC RIB PAIN. >> I THINK THIS WILL OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF WHY WE SHOULD BE DOING G THIS. IF IT'S BEEN DONE ON ALL THE OTHER ADS YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS ON THE BOULEVARD. I THINK YOUR TERM IS LEARNED BEHAVIOR IS ONCE CAUSE THE PROBLEM AND IT WILL TAKE A LITTLE TONE IN THE. THE JUSTIFICATION, I'M GLAD I WASN'T HERE DECEMBER 7 YOUR INITIAL PRESENTATION. THEY WENT THE EXTRA MILE.

TO ME AFTER LIVING HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD TRY EXERCISING, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE THIS IS NEEDED. VERY EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE WE HAVE

SEEN. >> ALSO BEEN ASKED WHY IT'S NOT ON SAN JUAN DRIVE WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN ONE SAYING IT'S WORSE UNSOUND ONE AND THEN ON THE BOULEVARD WHY CAN'T WE

HAVE IT. >> THAT'S A LITTLE RUDE. NO MAJOR COLLECTOR HERE ON POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. TYPICALLY PARKING IS ALLOWED ON LOCAL ROADS COMPARED TO IE'S MASTER DEPUTIES.HAT ONE IS TO THE USE OF EXCITING. WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION APPLY TO EVERYTHING OVER TO GETTING SOMEBODY. IF THEY WERE TO BARBARA CORONA OR SOLANA. THEY GET A TICKET. DOESN'T APPLY TO POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. IT'S INTERESTING. PIF YOU DRIVE ON JACK'S SPEECH ON POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. IF LIVES EASY. THE SECOND HIT POINTE VEDRA THERE'S A EXCEPTION APPLIED. I THINK POSSIBLY 2003, WERE PUSHING 20 YEARS LATER AND THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC A LOT MORE HOMES, MORE YEAR-ROUND RESIDENTS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S TIME TO REVISE THIS LANGUAGE BACK TO MAKE ALL

THE RAVE NEEDS CONSISTENT. >> I DON'T KNOW THIS WAS BROUGHT UP TO CANCEL BUT TERRY GRAHAM ISN'T HERE. HE WAS GONNA MAKE THE COMMENT. THIS IS A STATE ROAD ALONG SINCE ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS ENFORCE IT. IT'S REALLY ALREADY LONG AND THEY JUST HAVE IN ENFORCING IT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE OF WHAT WERE DOING. SUPPOSEDLY CONCERNING STATE LAW.

>> WE HAVE UNANIMOUS DECISION APPROVAL OF THIS LANGUAGE ON RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. WE'VE TAKEN INPUT FROM OTHER RESIDENTS OVER TIME AND AGAIN I

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THINK WE VETTED THIS NOW FOR OVER A YEAR AND 3 MONTHS I THINK THE RIGHT THING TO DO IS PUSH OUT ONE MORE BIG GO ROUND AT LAST I THINK WE GOT THERE. I WILL HAVE ANOTHER BETWEEN NOW AND THE FULL COUNTY COMMISSION WILL ALSO HAVE SOME MORE VETTING OF THE ASSESSABLE INSURED. I ASKED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION APPROVAL AND WILL TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE I WORK WITH JAKE TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE CORRECT LANGUAGE.

>> IT'S ON YOUR SLIDE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> BEGIN I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. THIS IS NOT FROM THIS BOARD. THIS WAS BROUGHT BY THE MST IN THIS PART CAME IN WITH AN OPEN MIND. TO THIS POINT UNTIL I HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT I HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION ON WHICH WAY I WILL VOTE.

>> MAY UNDERSTAND. >> THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. LET EVERYONE HAVE A FAIR VOICE.

>> WE HAVE 2 PEOPLE THAT HAVE SUBMITTED CARDS. RON HELLER.

>> MR. SCOTT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT WHETHER THIS ROUTE IS A STATE ROAD OR

COUNTY ROAD STAFF DID RESEARCH IT AND IT IS A COUNTY ROAD. >> WAS S RIGHT.

>> AND RON HELLER LEVEL CMVI PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IN POINTE VEDRA BEACH.

I WANT TO SAY FIRST OFF I WANT TO BE AFFECTED BY IT.

I CAN HANDLE A TRAILER AND WE HAVE AT TIMES. I-DRIVE UP AND DOWN WHEN I MOVED ON POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD I WOULD DRIVE UP AND DOWN AND I WOULD GET FRUSTRATED BY THE TRUCKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I STARTED TO REALIZE I BOUGHT ON A ROAD OF THIS VERY NARROW. IT'S GOTTA BE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THAT.

IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE PICTURES YOU SEWED THOSE ARE VERY SELECTIVE.

EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT AFFECTED BY WOULD SAY MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE ON POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HARDSHIP TO GET THE TRUCK AND TRAILER IN.

A LOT OF THEM ARE SLOPED. PARTICULARLY ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WHERE THE HOUSES ARE LOWER THAN THE ROAD. LOT OF THEM ARE CURVED.

MY WIFE WON'T EVEN TAKE MY PICKUP TRUCK OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY.

I'VE SEEN PEOPLE BACK DOWN T. BY LIMINATING LANDSCAPERS WHICH IS A MUCH NEEDED THING FOR EVERYBODY ON THE BOULEVARD. IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM.

OKAY? YOU WILL ALLOW FOR THIS PROPOSAL ALLOWS TO HAVE BIG TRUCKS, BIG FURNITURE TRUCKS AND I KNOW FROM DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HARD TO SEE AROUND. THE BIG LONG EXTENDED TRAILERS WITH LOW BOYS AND THINGS TO GET EQUIPMENT OFF. VISIBLE ONCE THEY COME INTO BOTH LANES AND STOP BOTH LEGS. THE LANDSCAPER TRUCKS YOU CAN SEE AROUND AND GET AROUND.

TYPICALLY. THEY ARE THERE 15 TO 20 MINUTES.

UNDERSTAND SOME OF THEM ARE THERE FOR AN HOUR. ONE, YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND APPLY FOR A VARIANCE. I THINK IT WILL BE MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOULEVARD WILL DO THAT. COMPARING TO CORONA AND SOLANA.

THOSE ARE 2 MAIN THOROUGHFARES. POINTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IS NOT BEING THOROUGH THERE.

IT'S A MAIN DESTINATION. THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU GO IN THERE IS BECAUSE YOU'RE

>> THERE'S BIKES COMING THE OTHER WAY AND YOU HAVE TO SPEED UP AND ALSO, I NOTICE THAT BECAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT ROAD, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT TEND TO SPEED ON IT, BUT THE OWN ONLYE THEY DO IS WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T OUT.

PEOPLE WILL FLY DOWN THERE AT 7. BUT DURING THE DAY, PEOPLE GOING SLOWER BECAUSE THERE ARE VEHICLES OUT THERE.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE, IT'S SOMETHING WE SIGNED UP FOR BY LIVING ON THAT STREET DIDN'T I CHOSE THAT.

I'M USED TO HAVING WIDE OPEN SPACES.

BUT I THINK IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL.

I HAVE HAD TROUBLE AND WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT, THEY BACK OVER OUR LANDSCAPE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND SO, IT IS A PROBLEM, BUT I DON'T THINK THE SOLUTION IS TO DISALLOW LANDSCAPES. IT'S A NECESSITY AND THAT WON'T ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM. YOU NEED BIG TRUCKS DELIVERING TRUSSES AND DIFFERENT MATERIAL IS STUFF OF THAT NATURE AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE MORE DANGEROUS HAVING PEOPLE TRYING

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TO BACK OUT WITH TRAILERS BECAUSE THEY WON'T HAVE SOMEBODY JUMP OUT AND DO THAT OR WATCH FOR THEM.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE JOHN S ARC ALUCHI, I DON'T SEE HIM IN THE AUDIENCE.

THAT WAS THE OTHER SPEAKER CARD. >> HI, RICHARD ENSLIN AND I LIVE OFF OF LAMASSTER DRIVE AND IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST CURVED ROAD THAT WE. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN INCORPORATE THESE STREET INTO THE PROPOSAL.

AND I HAVE ONE OTHER ISSUE REGARDING THE REDRAFT OF THE PROPOSAL, UPON THE BOULEVARD. AND THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE HAVE ON THE BOULEVARD AND ON SALANA. I BICYCLE, SO I SEE A LOT OF DAMAGE TO THE SIDEWALKS AND IS THERE ANY VERBIAGE THAT WOULD DISCOURAGE THAT, ANY LANGUAGE THAT PREVENTSES PREVENTS G ON THE SIDEWALK? BECAUSE WE'LL CREATE ANOTHER PROBLEM FOR OURSELVES AND WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALK TO REPLACE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE MENTIONED IF A TRUCK WILL PARK INSIDE OF A PERSON'S PROPERTY, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO BLOCK THE SIDEWALK.

>> THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE TICKETED FOR THAT NOW AND ALL CONTRACTORS NOW THAT YOU BETTER NOT BE CAUGHT OR YOU'LL

GET A TICKET. >> YOU'RE BLOCKING ON THE

BOULEVARD, THEY'RE BE TICKETED. >> OK.

AND THAT IS THE CODE, THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, WHICH IS THE

SIDEWALK. >> OK.

>> SO YOU HAVE TO PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY OR YARD COMPLETELY.

>> WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON A HOUSE FOR, PROBABLY, FIVE MONTHS AND ANY DAY YOU GO OUT THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY TEN PICKUP TRUCKS AND, MAYBE, THREE LARGE DELIVERY TYPE OF TRUCKS AND IT'S ONE OF THE CURVES AND WITH PEOPLE WALKING AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT STREET.

IT'S HAIRY TO GET EVERYBODY THROUGH, BASICALLY ONE LANES AND

THEN CARS. >> WE ALL KNOW.

WE ALL DRIVE THOSE ROADS AND IT'S DANGEROUS.

>> AND SO I JUST WISH THIS COULD HAVE BEEN EXPANDED AND IT'S STRAIGHT. SO YOU GET A BETTER VIEW.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO DO WE TECHNICALLY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR WHY SAN JUAN AND LA LA MASTER COULDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER? I'M NOT SURE REALISTICALLY WHAT IS THE IMPEDIMENT TO ANSWER THIS

GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION IN. >> I'M BRAD WESTER AND THE ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS TO ADVISE THE EXISTING

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ORDINANCE FROM 2003 AND 2006. THEY'RE DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST ANDS ORDINANCE FOR SAN JUAN OR MASTER.

AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CRAFTED SPECIFICALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT THE TERMINOLOGY OR THE LOCAL ROAD AND WHERE THE NO PARKING SIGNS GO.

THIS WAS MODIFYING AN EXISTING ORDINANCE INTO PLAY BACK IN

2003. >> THIS ORDINANCE WAS AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW PARKING AND THEN THERE'S BEEN AN INTERPRETED FACTOR WHERE THE TRADES AND POLICE OUT OF CONVENIENCE HAVE UTILIZED THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT DESCRIBED HIS CONSTRAINT FOR PARKING AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT AND THE PROBLEM IS ONCE YOU ALLOW THAT TO APPLY THERE, EVERYBODY USES IT AND PARK ON THE BOULEVARD NO MATTER WHERE IT

IS. >> FARCE AS FAR AS BICYCLE ASD

RUNNING, IS THAT ALSO ALLOWED? >> JAKE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME, BUT FROM THE LAW, IF THERE'S NOT A DESIGNATED PATH OR MULTI USE LANE, THEN BY FLORIDA LAW, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE THAT AND THE BENEFIT OF THE FULL LANE. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE A SIDEWALK AND MAINLY USED FOR PEDESTRIANS, UNLESS DESIGNATED AS A MULTI--USE PATH AND THAT'S WHY BICYCLES ARE ALLOWED ON THE BOULEVARD AND CONSTANTLY USE IT AND ADHERE TO TRAFFIC LAWS.

WHAT THE POLICE WRESTLE WITH, OR SHERIFFS WITH BLOWING THROUGH STOP SIGNS. THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO EVERY LAW THE VEHICLES HAVE TO ADHERE TO, BUT THAT'S THE ANSWER FOR THAT.

>> BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AS DANGEROUS GOING ALONG SOME OF THE BICYCLERS OR RIDERS.

THERE'S BIG DRIVEWAY TO WAVEO NAVIGATE INTO BUT ROSCO HAS CONCERNS WE DON'T HAVE AND WE TOOK THOSE CONCERNS AWAY A LONG TIME AGO. THEY DON'T ALLOW PARKING THERE AND THERE'S A THICK PAVED SECTION IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE

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THAT WITH JACKSONVILLE BEACH, CORONA, SALONA AND THIS IS A THROUGH-WAY AND IT'S ENTITLED FOR USE AND AS A SAFE AND EFFICIENT MEANS OF TRAVEL AND NOT JUST A ROADWAY THAT SERVES THE DRIVEWAYS TO THE RESIDENCE. IT DOES LINK OTHER COLLECTORS AND HIGHWAYS IN THE AREA AND IT IS A THROUGH-WAY AND MAJOR COLLECTOR. , BUT I HOPE THAT ANSWERS QUE.

>> BRAD, IF IF THIS SUCCESSFUL WITH THE ISSUES SOME OF US ARE WORRIED ABOUT, WOULD YOU CONSIDERED LATER ON EXPANDING IT

TO SAN JUAN? >> NOT ONLY A SIDEWALK DISCUSSION BECAUSE WALKS ARE NEEDED ON SOME OF THE ROADWAYS WHERE IT DOESN'T EXIST AND THERE'S A SMALL SEGMENT NORTH OF THE CLUB TO THE JACK'S BEACH LINE AND WAY OVERDUE FOR A SIDEWALK, BUT THAT WILL HELP TO FREE UP THE CONGESTION AND SAFETY, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN. IT IS.

I MEAN, ALL OF THE LANDSCAPERS WITHOUT ANY MAINTENANCE OR TRAFFIC CAPABILITIES AND EVERYBODY IS ABOUT THEIR BUSINESS. YOU GO AROUND IT AS YOU SEE FIT AND WE LIVE HERE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YES, THOSE IMAGES, I COULD ADORE YOU WITH PEOPE PARKED ALONG THE BOULEVARD, BUT I NEEDED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE AFTER THEY'RE. BUT WE DO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONSTRAINTSES WITH THE DRIVEWAYS.

WE FEEL IT WILL EVEN ITSELF OUT. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROUGHLY 362 LOTS, RESIDENTIAL LOTS ALONG THE BOULEVARD.

AND ABOUT 132 OF THOSE HAVE EXISTING CIRCULAR DRIVEWAYS WITH DUAL ACCESS. A THIRD OF ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG THE BOULEVARD HAVE A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY AND YET, LANDSCAPES DON'T PARK THERE AND THEY USE THIS AS A PRIVATE PARKING SPACE. WE NEED TO REIGN IT IN ANDU ANDI THINK WE HAVE SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS FORWARDED TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

>> BRAD, TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW ENFORCEMENT WORKS AND I'M THINKING TO THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AROUND THE 900 BLOCK OR SO WHERE THOSE LOTS ARE STEEP, AND THAT ROAD DROPS OFF. MY CONCERN WITH THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS -- I'LL START PICKING OUT NUMBERS AT RANDOM -- 963 AND 980 AND WHAT HAPPENS IN BETWEEN? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE, SPOTTY

ZONING IS CONCERNING. >> IT DOES AND AS WE SAW TODAY, IT NEEDS TO BE SITE SPECIFIC. A IT HAS TO BE ON THE MERITS OF THE SITE CONDITIONS AND CONSTRAINTSES CONSTRAINTS. SO THE THERE HAS TO BE AN ELEN NEEDED TO PULL IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND I THINK THAT'S EASIER TO NAVIGATE IN TERMS OF THE SENTIMENTSES FROM THE BOARDD AND AS OPPOSED TO A TRAFFIC LAW APPLIED TO EVERYBODY REGARDLESS IF THEY THEY CAN PULL IN THE DRIVEWAY OR NOT.

THAT'S THE FRUSTRATING THING, PULLING IN A DRIVEWAY AND SEEING IT'S NOT DONE. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS DISCRETION, AGAIN, IF THIS IS ROLLED OUT TO START EDUCATING THEM AS WE WILL ALSO TAKE THAT LEAD ON THE MSD OR THE ORDINANCE CHANGED AS CHANGED OVER AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON ACCOMMODATING THE DIFFERENCES AND THE VARIANCE PROCESS.

BECAUSE IT'S 150-FOOT WIDE LOT AND YOU HAVE TO BE GRANDFATHERED IN TO ALLOW A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY BUT DUE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN A HEALTHY MANNER AND THE BURDEN IS ON THEM AND GENERALLY, THEY CAN PROVE THEY CAN HAVE A HARDSHIP ON THE TOPO GRAPHIC

NEED TO HAVE VEHICLES THERE. >> THEY SAID TO CHANGE IT, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE, BUT IF THEY CHANGED IT, PEOPLE WILL DO IT THAT DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM AND THAT COULD ALLOCATE PLENTY OF PARKING AND WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT.

BUT THOSE THAT HAVE A HARDSHIP SHOULD GET A VARIANCE TO BUILD A CIRCULAR DRIVE. IF ANYONE CAN DO IT, EVERYTHING WILL DO IT, SO IT SHOULD BE UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE BOARD

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AND THAT'S A HARDSHIP AND GRANT THEM A VARIANCE TO DO AN

ADDITIONAL DRIVE ENTRANCE. >> RIGHT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE 100 FEET AND NOT 150. THERE'S PLENTY OF EXAMPLES WITHIN 100-FOOT LOTS THAT WORK ABSOLUTELY FINE.

>> THERE WAS NO CONCERN AND WASN'T A REASON 150 VERSE 100 AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE A CASE THAT IT'S ALLOWABLE FOR 100 IF

YOU CAN SEE FIT. >> WHEN I BUILT MY HOUSE, I'M NOT 150 AND I SAID, JACK, I NEED A CIRCULAR DRIVE AND LET ME DIG DEEP IN THE CODE TO SEE WHAT I CAN FIND.

TO DO IT BECAUSE I HAVE WHAT'S CALLED IS A MIAMI CURVE, NOT A NO-CURVE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN THE CODE OR NOT. JACK SAID IT IS.

>> EVERYBODY WILL BE PUTTING MIAMI CURVES OUT THERE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND WE ARE SENSITIVE BUT IN THE GREATER GOOD OF THE EFFICIENCY AND CIRCULATION, WE NEED TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> THE ONLY STREET IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE YOU NEED A PARKING PLAN FOR YOUR CONSTRUCTION AND THAT'S NEVER IN THE ROAD AND THAT IS NOT SO FOR SAN JUAN AND LA ASPECT MASTF THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PARKING ORDINANCE AND IT CAN'T BE ON THE ROAD AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT AND AS FAR AS CIRCULAR DRIVES ON THE BOULEVARD, I SEE HOUSING ON THE BOULEVARD WITH A 70-FOOT LOT FRONTAGE AND THEY HAVE A CIRCULAR DRIVE AND A RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMIT FROM THE COUNTY AND NOT HARD TO DO. I'VE SEEN THEM MORE OFTEN NOW THAN BEFORE. THEY RARELY USE THE 150.

YOU CAN GET ON AN AERIAL MAP AND SEE THE MOMENTS.

HOMES. OUR ROADS ARE TEN AND WHEN THEY'RE LESS THAN STANDARD, WE HAVE FULL USE OF THE LANE AND THAT'S A STATE LAW AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE SINGLE FILE AND IT'S BETTER FOR YOU IF WE'RE TWO ABREAST FOR YOU TO GET AS FAST IF IT'S A GROUP AND THE CYCLISTS, WE HAVE TO SHARE THE ROAD AND I DON'T THINK -- IT IS A POPULAR ROAD TO RIDE ON, THE BOULEVARD, BUT WE ASTROSHARE E THE ROAD AND NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

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>> RIDING ON A ROAD, THE BICYCLE IS AT LEAST TWO FEET FROM THE ROAD AND YOU HAVE TO BE TWO FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROAD.

>> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO VOTE ON THIS, TO PROVE OR

NON-APPROVE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND SECTION 9011 OF THE REGULATIONS RELATING TO OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LANGUAGE AS WAS PRESENTED IN THE SCREEN AND AGREED TO IN THE PREVIOUS MINUTES IS INCORPORATED INTO THE ORDINANCE.

>> THE DELIVERY MATERIALS AND BULK MATERIALS AND THE VERBIAGE

IT WAS ORIGINALLY. >> BASED ON THAT, I'LL SECOND

IT. >> LET'S TAKE A VOICE VOTE.

[6. Workshop: Fences. The Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board and members of the Ponte Vedra community has previously requested to continue the general discussion on fence height limitations within the District. The purpose of the workshop is to provide direction to staff on possible amendments to the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations. ]

(ROLE CALL) >> APPROVED, SO WE WILL REWRITE

>> BEFORE THE NEXT ITEM, LET'S POINT OUT ONE OTHER THING WE CAN TALK ABOUT SINCE WE'RE SHORT ON TIME TONIGHT.

DURING THIS CONVERSATION, ANOTHER THING IS CONSTRUCTION AND INDUSTRIAL NOISE. THE CURRENT CODE READS, YOU'RE ABLE TO WORK FROM 7:00 A.M. DAILY TO 7:00 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND 9:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M. ON SUNDAYS AND

HOLIDAYS. >> WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE

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COUNTY ON THIS AND WE WERE VETTING THAT AND I BELIEVE WE WERE CHANGING THE HOURS AND IT WAS APPLICABLE FOR AND THE WEEKEND STATUS, AS WELL. WHAT CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL MOBILIZE AT 7:00 A.M. TO CHECK OUT IF SOMEBODY IS BANGING WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET WITHIN THE COMPLAINT? IT DOESN'T APPLY LIKE IT DOES ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE DRAFTED SOME LANGUAGE TO UPDATE THE TIME FRAMES AND THEN, ALSO, WHETHER IT'S ON THE WEEKEND OR NOT.

>> HAS THAT BEEN SENT TO THE COUNTY OR WHAT THE PROCESS IS?

>> IT HAS, AND THEY ARE VIEWING IT AND WANTING THE LIGHTING CHANGE AND PREVENTING LIGHT BLEED.

BUT IT HASN'T BEEN SCHEDULING FOR A HEARING DATE.

BUT PAT TRUCK PATRICK MCCOT LANGUAGE.

>> GOOD TO KNOW, THANK YOU. >> AND THE NEXT ITEM WILL BE WORKSHOP FENCING. WORKSHOP FENCES.

LET ME RECAP WHAT'S HAPPENED. THIS BOARD HAS THAT DISCUSS A LONG TIME AGO AND WHAT I THOUGHT WE ASKED THE COUNTY TO DO WAS REWRITE THE VERBIAGE SO THAT SIX-FOOT FENCES WERE ONLY ALLOWED DOWN THE SUED OF YOUR PROPERTY FROM THE BEGINNING OF YOUR STRUCTURE TO THE REAR OF YOUR STRUCTURE AND THAT WAS THE ONLY SECTION TO DO A SIX-FOOT FENCE AND MY UNDERSTANDING, THE COUNTY LISTENING TO OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS DIDN'T QUITE HEAR US SAYING THAT AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE SAID.

SO THAT BEING SAID, THE COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR OUR DIRECTION ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH FENCES. AND I WAS IN STRONG BELIEF THAT LOOKING OUT MY WINDOW TO THE GUY'S GARBAGE ON THE SIDE OF HIS HOUSE, ALL OF THE JUNK ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THAT. SO A SIX-FOOT FENCE WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE. AS LONG IT STOPS THE FRONT OF MY STRUCTURE EXPECT AND THE REY STRUCTURE OUT OF BACK, IT IS

JUST RIGHT ON MY SIDE YARD. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> THAT'S WHAT I -- AFTER WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS AFTER MONTHS AND MONTHS AND HOURS AND HOURS OF DISCUSSION, THAT'S WHAT I WAS FOR. SO YOU ALL CAN ONLY SPEAK WHAT

YOU AGREE TO OR DIDN'T AGREE TO. >> WELL, WE DIDN'T VOTE ON IT.

MY HEAD WAS GOING SIDE TO SIDE AND THE REASON WAS, I HAD LOOKED FOR, YOU KNOW, AT REFERENCE AND I PUT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION OUT FOR MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS THAT THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION HAS TRIED TO DO SURVEYS OF THE RESIDENTS TO SEE WHAT THEIR OPINIONS WERE ON FENCES. AND THE MOST RECENT SURVEY IN MARCH OF 2020, THEY ASKED THE QUESTION AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FAIRLY WORDED ABOUT FENCES AND SAID, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN CHANGING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REGARDING FENCE HEIGHTS, INCREASING FENCE HEIGHTS OR ARE YOU AGAINST THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR KEEP THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS IS AND REQUIRE VARIANCES ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

AND 77% DIDN'T WANT HIGHER FENCES.

AND SO YOU FEEL SOME OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SURVEYED AND WHAT THEY RESPOND. NOW ARE THEY HERE AT THE MEETING TONIGHT? NO, THEY'RE NOT, BUT I WOULD -- AND WE ALSO HAD AT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO WAS WHEN BEVERLY FRASIER MADE A PRESENTATION AND WE WERE

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DISCUSSING THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF LOTS, THROUGH LOTS, CORNER LOTS. AND THAT THEY HAD VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND DIFFERENT NEEDS.

AND BY AND LARGE, IN PONAVEDRA, MOST HOUSES HAVE VISTAS OF EITHER THE OCEAN, GOLF COURSE OR THE LAGOONS AND AS YOU START TO ERECT PHYSICAL BARRIERS, YOU'RE IMPAIRING THE VISTAS OF HOMEOWNERS. AND SO, TO ME, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE THAN JUST BEING CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEBRIS THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR MIGHT BE PUTTING ALONGSIDE OF HIS HOUSE.

AND THIS COULD BE OBSCURED BY A FOUR-FOOT FENCE AND COULD BE OBSCURED BY SOME VEGETATION. AND SO, FENCES CAN BE BECOME UNSIGHTLY IF NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINED.

SO EVERYBODY KIND OF KNOWS I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF INCREASING FENCES, HEIGHTS. BECAUSE I LIVE ON A LAGOON, I WOULD BE SADDENED IF MY NEIGHBOR EREGULATORIED A FENCE BECAUSE IT WOULD OBSCURE MY VIEW WHICH I COULD LOOK AND SEE THE VISTA AND

THAT'S WHY I BOUT BOUGHT THE. >> THAT WAS THE MOST AMBIGUOUS STATEMENT ANYBODY DO READ THAT. THAT WAS SO BROAD AND SAYS NOTHING ABOUT LIMITING FENCES. IN BETWEEN TWO RESIDENCES TO SIX FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, NOTHING WAS VERBALIZED. IT'S LIKE POLITICS.

YOU CAN PUT OUT A QUESTION AND YOU CAN MAKE IT ANSWER ANY WAY YOU WANT AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.

AND AND YOU COULD LIMIT -- YOU HAVE A HOUSE WITH DIFFERENT VIEWS. YOU COULD SAY IN THE CODE, ONLY HOUSES SIDE BY SIDE WITH A MUTUAL PROPERTY WILL THIS SIX-FOOT FENCE BE ALLOWED. ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF IT'S AN OPEN LANE OR A VETO, IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED THERE.

ONLY BETWEEN TWO HOMES AND THE FRONT AND REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.

NO WAY TO BLOCK YOUR VIEW IF YOUR NEIGHBOR HAS HIS FENCE STOPPED AT THE REAR OF HIS HOUSE.

OR YOU COULDN'T SEE THROUGH HIS HOUSE.

IF IT DOESN'T PUR PURTRUDE, IT WOULDN'T BLOCK YOUR VIEW.

>> YOUR HOUSE AND STRUCTURE IS HERE AND LET'S SAY THEY HAVE A POOL, OK, AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY CAN ONLY PUT A FENCE TO THEIR HOUSE AND NOT BEYOND THE POOL?

>> HE'S SAYING A SUGGESTION-FOOT >> SIX-FENCE?

>> RUNNING BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES AND ONLY CAN BE SIX FOOT WHERE THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE BEGINS AND THE REAR OF YOUR HOUSE ENDS. YOU CAN'T RUN THAT FENCE LINE SIX FOOT DOWN TO THE LAGOON. IT HAS TO STOP OR THE WHEREF YOUR HOUSE STOPS SO IT WON'T IMPEDE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S VIEW.

THE HOUSE IS BIGGER THAN THE FENCE.

>> SO YOU COULD PUT UP A FOUR-FOOT FENCE.

>> YOU'RE ALLOWED A FOUR-FOOT AGAINST.

I'M PROPOSING THE OWN TIME SIX-FOOT FENCES ARE ALLOWED IS IN BETWEEN TWO RESIDENCES ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE.

AND IF IT STOPS AT THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE, IT GOES BACK TO FOUR FOOT, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BLOCK ANYBODY'S VIEW.

>> YOU'RE STILL BLOCKING IT WITH THE FOUR-FOOT FENCE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO FEET AND YOU'RE STILL BLOCKING IT.

>> THAT'S ALREADY ALLOWED. >> I'M SAYING.

SO, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO FEET.

>> I THINK THAT'S VERY LITTLE TO ASK, ADDING TWO FEET BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORING HOUSES. YOU CAN'T DO IT ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE AN OPEN ROAD OR A GOLF COURSE.

IT HAS TO BE IN BETWEEN TWO HOUSES ONLY AND ONLY SIX FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.

>> WHICH STRUCTURE? >> YOUR STRUCTURE.

SO IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY LINE, ONLY YOUR HOUSE.

SO IF YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE THAT'S A RANCH THAT STRETCHES FATHER, IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU CAN GO TO THE FRONT AND REAR OF

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YOUR STRUCTURE ONLY, NOT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S.

AND THAT WAY, YOUR NEIGHBOR CAN ONLY SEE OUT BOTH DIRECTIONS.

IF THERE'S NO FENCE, HE WON'T SEE THROUGH YOUR HOUSE.

IF IT STOPS WHERE YOUR HOUSE ENDS, THERE'S NO WAY TO BLOCK A

VIEW. >> I SAID THE LAST TIME, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FENCE OF SIX FEET WITHIN YOUR BUILDING RESTRICTION LINES AND SO, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

YOU CAN HAVE A TEN-FOOT FENCE IF YOU'RE CONCERNED AND YOU CAN HAVE IT AS LARGE AS YOU WANT. THERE ARE SOME HOMES WITH COURTYARDS AND OTHER KINDS OF WALLS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR BUILDING RESTRICTION LINES THAT IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PRIVACY, NOT HAVING ANYBODY LOOK INTO THEIR HOUSE, THEY HAVE THOSE. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO JUST WOULD LIKE NOT TO HAVE FENCES AND THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A MORE OPEN EERY LOOK.

ARCHITECTURALLY, FENCES ARE, WHEN THEY'RE OPAQUE, IT'S AN EYE SORE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A FENCE AROUND A POOL, THEY USE BLACK WROUGHT IRON BECAUSE IT'S TRANSPARENT.

AND IT'S A WAY TO KEEP THAT OPEN FEELING.

NOW, AS YOU CAN TELL, BETWEEN BRAD AND I, THERE'S DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. AND I'VE SAID, WELL, DON'T YOU USE VEGETATION IF YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE PRIVACY.

AND SO, ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IN A STRUCTURED WAY THAT BRAD IS SUGGESTING AND WE COULD ASK THE COMMUNITY, THE ASSOCIATION TO DO A SURVEY SORT OF DETAILING WHAT SOME OPTIONS ARE. WHAT ABOUT A FENCE JUST BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT AND GET A READ OF

WHAT THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST IS. >> THAT'S FAIR.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT USING VEGETATION.

IF YOU HAVE A SIDE OF A HOUSE TWO AIR CONDITIONS, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THREE TO FOUR FEET. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF FEET TO WALK DOWN YOUR HOUSE AND THE HEDGES WILL BE TWO OR THREE FEET WIDE AND IN SOME INSTANCES, THERE NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO DEAL WITH VEGETATION AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH IT IS A FENCE.

>> IS THERE A RESTRICTION ON THE HEIGHT OF THE VEGETATION?

>> THEY CAN'T PUT A FENCE OF THAT'S SIX FEET, THEY PUT THAT

UP. >> IT TALKS TO FENCES AND SHRUBBERY. IN THE PONAVEDRA CODE, WE TALK ABOUT FENCES AND I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WHEREVER THE PONAVEDRA ZONING CODE IS SILENT, WE LOOK TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND WHAT THEY SAY IS WHAT IS APPLICABLE FOR US.

AND WE NEVER GOT A RESOLUTION FROM THE ATTORNEY, SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING TO SEND TO THE ATTORNEY.

BUT WE DON'T -- WE COULD USE SHRUBBERY AND HAVE THAT LIMITED AND WE SHOULD SORT OF PUT THAT IN OUR CODE, BUT RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T SAY ANYTHING AND SO IT'S NOT CRISP FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK

AT. >> DID I HEAR AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU VERY SPECIFIC OF SPECIFICALLY WORDED SURVEY THAT IT WOULD BE AGREEABLE?

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING, YES, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW -- SINCE IT'S A LATE HOUR, I THINK THAT TO THE TWO OF YOU, WHICH SEEM TO GET BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO AGREE TO PUT A SURVEY OUT THERE, IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE THING FOR THE NEXT STEP. ITS MAY REQUIRE A GRAPHIC DEPICTION TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE WILL SAY YOU'RE BLOCKING MY VIEWS, BUT THE WAY YOU'RE STRUCTURING IT, IT WON'T BLOCK STRUCTURES OR VIEWS. BUT BE CAREFUL, THE IMMEDIATE REACTION, YOU'RE PUTTING UP A FENCE IS I DON'T LIKE REACTIONS.

>> I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING, I WON'T TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT BUT ARE MORE ADAMANT ABOUT

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NOT SEEING WHAT THEY'RE SEEING. I CAN'T TELL YOU ANYONE THAT CAN EXPLAIN TO ME HOW IT WILL BLOCK THEIR VIEW AS LONG AS THAT FENCE STOPS. HOW WILL THAT BLOCK ANYONE'S VIEW? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

BUT HEY, IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION. IF WE SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SIX-FOOT HEDGE, YOU WILL HAVE TO TEAR HALF THE VEGETATION DOWN

AND THAT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE. >> THERE'S A PACKET TO READ SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE KNOW OR THOUGHT ABOUT.

>> BUT YOU THINK A SPECIFIC SURVEY WOULD BE MUCH MORE ACCURATE THAN JUST A GENERAL ONE CHANGING THE RULES.

>> AND THERE'S ALSO THE USH UN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MEASURING IT FROM YOUR SIDE AND THE OTHER SIDE AND SO THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER POINT AND WE CAN SMILE ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU GO ON THE BOULEVARD FOR HOMES THAT ARE NOW BEING BUILT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT FOUR-FOOT HIGHER THAN THE OLD HOMES AND YOU SEE AN OLD HOME LOOKS ALMOST SUNKIN' AND THEY PUT A FOUR-FOOT

FENCE. >> DIDN'T WE HAVE A CASE?

>> AND WE OFF OFF APPROVED . >> FOR A POOL FENCE, IT HAS TO BE FOUR-FEET TALL AND THAT MEANS IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY FOUR FEET TALL WHICH IS A CHALLENGE. SO SOMEWHERE, WE NEED FLEXIBILITY, WHICH, ACTUALLY, IN THE CAUSE OF THE VARIANCE, WE

GAVE THEM FLEXIBILITY. >> SO WHO WILL PUT THIS SURVEY

OUT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I BELIEVE THERE'S INTEREST IN

THE AUDIENCE FOR THAT. >> I'M ALSO AT 335 PABLO ROAD AND, YEAH, THE SIDE YARD FENCE IS AN ISSUE AND THAT'S INCLUDED IN MY MEMO I SENT TO YOU AND THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT. THE PROPOSAL WAS TO EXTEND THE FENCE TEN FEET PASSED THE HOMES AND STOPPING AT THE HOME TAKES AWAY ANY SENSE SOMEONE MAY HAVE A BLOCKED VIEW.

AND THERE'S OTHER FENCE ISSUES IN THERE, AS WELL.

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I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL ON THE OTHER STUFF IN THE MONTH MOW.

MEMO. DOING A SURVEY IS INTERESTING.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT GET THE SURVEY ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE ASSOCIATION AND NOT EVERYONE IS A MEMO AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE INTEREST IN A PARTICULAR TOPIC AND I WOULD ARGUE THIS IS SLANTED IN HOW IT'S ASKED. SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO WRITE A QUESTION THAT FAIRLY CAPTURES THE NUANCES THAT YOU ALL HEAR EVERYDAY IN HEARINGS. AND SO MY ONLY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT THE SURVEY IS GREAT AND MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL TWO IS I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE DESPOSITIVE AND THEY MAY BE AMENDED AND PEOPLE WILL TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.

CERTAINLY, IF THERE'S A SURVEY THAT GOES OUT, I'LL ENCOURAGE

PEOPLE TO RESPOND. >> TYPICALLY, WHAT WE DO IN OUR PROCESS, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES, WE HAVE A WORKSHOP IN PONAVEDRA AND BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19, THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN HAPPENING. SO ONCE THAT OPPORTUNITY IS AVAILABLE, IN AUDITION TO A SURVEY, THERE WOULD BE AN NUMBER THAT WE'RE ANNOUNCEMENT WE'RE HAVING A MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS AND WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY COME AND TALK ABOUT IT. WE COULD HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH OVERHEADS AND ET CETERA, LIKE THAT, AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY SO PEOPLEDA HAVE PEEPDOOR HAVE PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN HERE.

>> I PROPOSAL YOU TOOK A PARTICULAR SECTION ON A PARTICULAR INTERCHANGE WHERE YOU HAVE HOUSES THAT ARE STREET ON ONE SIDE AND NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE AND NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR, NEIGHBOR, AND JUST DRAW A RED LINE AND IT SHOWS WHERE THE HOUSES ARE AND AN ARC AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH WHERE YOU COULD GO SIX FEET AND THERE WOULD BE NO RED LINE AND ONLY IF BETWEEN HOUSES FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSES TO THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE. ON YOUR SIDE OF THE LINE, IT WOULD BE MUCH LONGER THAN THE HOUSE NEXT TO YOU, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND THAT WOULD BE A FAIR WAY TO DEPICT.

>> SINCE THE TWO OF YOU HAVE -- ONCE THE SURVEY IS WRITTEN BEFORE IT'S SENT OUT, TO BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION, I WON'T BE HERE. BUT AT LEAST TO SIGN OFF ON THE WORDING OF THE SURVEY, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'LL JUST GET INTO THAT. AND IF SHE WORKS WITH THE PEOPLE TO DEVELOP A SURVEY, BRINGS IT BACK TO YOU AND THE WHOLE BOARD AND SAYS, YES, THAT SHOULD GET A GOOD ACCURATE ANSWER, THEN GO

FOR IT. >> WE HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS FROM BEVERLY FRASIER'S WORK WHICH SHOWS YOU THE LOTS.

THERE ARE MORE VARIATIONS OF THE KIND OF LOTS AND THE KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF AND SHE WAS THOROUGH.

WE TALKED ABOUT JACK'S BEACH WHERE THERE IS A SIX-FOOT FENCE AND THE PERSON THAT'S LIVING ON THE REAR PROPERTY PUT UP A SIX-FOOT FENCE AND THAT SEEMED PERFECTLY LOGICAL.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT BRAD WESTER AND I DID FOR PORKING PARK E

[7. Election of Chair and Vice-Chair. The Ponte Vedra Zoning and Adjustment Board is required to annually elect a chair and vice chair. Please see the attached recommended Nomination and Voting procedures. Alternatively, after public comment, the simple suggested motions for election may be made. ]

BOULEVARD. I WROTE A LETTER FOR WHAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE SAYING AND THEY CRITIQUED IT AND CHANGED IT AND WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE IN TOTAL AGREEMENT AND I SENT THAT OUT TO BE READ. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO AGREE UPON IT BEFORE IT'S SENT OUT THAT EVERYBODY GETS A FAIR SHAKE. AND WE'LL KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THE FENCE HEIGHTS. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE

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FENCE HEIGHTS? OK, NEXT IS ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND WE'LL START WITH CHAIR AND TAKE NOMINATIONS

FOR THE CHAIR POSITION. >> I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO

ELECT JOHN PATTON AS CHAIR. >> I SECOND THAT.

>> THE FLOOR IS NOW OPEN FOR ADDITIONAL SUGGESTIONS AND ANY OTHR MOTIONS TOWARDS THE CHAIR. CHAIR? IF NOT, YOU'LL OPEN THAT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY COMMENT TO THE ELECTION OF THE NEXT CHAIR?

WELL, ARE WE DOING A YAY OR N? >> I THINK YOU NEED THE VOICE

VOTE. >> WE DO NEED AN INDIVIDUAL VOTE? AND THE INDIVIDUAL DOES OR DOES

NOT VOTE? >> I'M ABSTAINING.

>> CONGRAT CONGRATULATIONS! >> GREAT JOB! IF TODAY IS ANY INDICATION, YOU WERE EXCELLENT IN HOW YOU HANDLED ALL OF THESE. YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB AS CHAIR.

IT WILL TAKE ME AWHILE TO GET UP TO SPEED AND I'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR THE SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND HOPEFULLY SOME DAY I CAN BE ALMOST AS GOOD AS YOU ARE.

>> YOU'LL BE BETTER. OPEN IT UP FOR VICE CHAIR.

[8. Recommendation of appointment of PVZAB member. Thomas (Brad) Scott (District 4) second full four (4) year term expires on April 8, 2021. Appointed members whose terms have expired may continue until a successor is appointed and qualified. Additionally, H. Timothy Powell (District 4), whose first full four (4) year term expires April 18, 2021. Vacancy on the PVZAB was most recently advertised for the required thirty (30) days with the following applications meeting the minimum criteria for consideration. PVZAB members serve at the pleasure of the Board of County Commissioners as the local planning agency for St. Johns County and fulfill any other duties and responsibilities as determined by Part 8.01.00. The following 2 persons have applied for the open positions: Richard D. Ensslen (District 4); Jane Elizabeth Rollinson (District 4). Please see the attachments for application materials. ]

>> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MEGAN MCKINNLEY.

>> A SECOND SOME. >> SECOND.

>> AND WE'LL TALK A VOICE VOTE. (ROLE CALL)

>> I DIDN'T OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON VICE CHAIR? A UNANIMOUS YES, CONGRAT CONGRATULATIONS!

A GREAT JOB! >> NOW, WE'LL MOVE ONTO RECOMMENDATION OF APPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD AND WE HAVE -- I UNDERSTAND TWO OF US LEAVING AND TIM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR

SERVICE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN HERE WHILE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY TO TOLERATE SOMETIMES MY VERY AGGRESSIVE POSITIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT EXPERIENCE ON THE OTHER SIDE AND I DID PRIVATE WORK.

I ALMOST CALLED IN THE BRAD WESTER HEARING TODAY.

>> IT WAS.

>> BUT THANK YOU. >> HE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE.

>> THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS AN ENLIGHTENING AND ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE. I'LL BE IN THE AREA PART OF THE YEAR AND JUST PROBABLY EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE, I'LL BE WATCHING AND SHOW UP AND WATCH YOU ALL CONTINUE.

>> I'M COMING OFF AFTER 11 YEARS, AS WELL.