Mar 16, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

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>>> GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULE ED MEETING OF MARCH SLING, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS. IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS THE BOARD HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION. THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING EMAIL THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA TV OR STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE PROVIDES A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETINGS.

EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE A COMMENT PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING -- PERSONS NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL PLEASE CALL BACK. IN ADDITION PLEASE SELF-TIME THE THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT BECAUSE THE THREE-MINUTE -- MAY NOT BE VISIBLE TO YOU.

FINALLY PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT -- OR COMPUTER WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING. PLEASE BE AWARE THERE MAY BE APPROXIMATELY A 30 SECOND TIME DELAY IN THE VISUAL PRESENTATIONS. TAKE A BRIEF RECESS UNTIL WE'RE ABLE TO SORT THROUGH THAT. THERE'S MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER THE AGENDA AND MINUTES AND ONCE YOU FIND THE -- ECONOMIC ON THE AGENDA DE TO ACCESS THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. WE'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLE.

>> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER. >> PRESENT.

>> VICE PRESIDENT CHAIR COMMISSION DEAN. >> HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON. >> HERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR PASTOR FROM COLONIAL CHURCH TO GIVE US

A BLESSING. >> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP IN OUR COUNTY. I ALWAYS FEEL UNDERDRESSED WHEN I COME AND DO THIS.

[PRAYER]. >> THANK YOU, PASTOR. NOW I'M ASK COMMAND SERGEANT

MAJOR -- TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE.. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU THE COMMON COMMISSIONERS, COUNTY INVESTIGATION, THEIR STAFF, ALL THE OTHER MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK IN OUR COUNTY, OUR CITIZENS AND OUR VETERANS FOR THIS ORGANIZATIONS. YOU HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TO US, CONTINUALLY SUPPORTED VETERANS ISSUES. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU FOR DOING THAT. THANKS A LOT FOR YOUR SUPPORT. IF YOU COULD PLEASE RISE AND STAND IF IT'S POSSIBLE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

[Proclamation Recognizing March 2021 as American Red Cross Month]

>> . >> THANK YOU, SERGEANT MAJOR. >> GOOD MORNING.

TODAY I AM HONORED TO RECOGNIZE AS ALL OF US WILL THE -- I BELIEVE IT'S THE 140TH, IF I HAVE THAT RIGHT, ANNIVERSARY OF THE RED ACROSS, WHO MY MOTHER, SERVED IN WORLD WAR II, BUT --

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JOIN US AS MELISSA READS THE PROCLAMATION. >> AND PROVIDED LIFESAVING HEALTH AND SAFETY TRAINING TO MORE THAN 5 MILLION PEOPLE IN 2020 AND MARCH IS RECOGNIZED AS RED CROSS MONTH ACROSS THE NATION AND 2021 MARKS THE 140TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS AND THE 107TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FLORIDA'S FIRST CHARTERED RED CROSS CHAP INTERPRETED ESTABLISHED WHOER IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA IN MARCH 1914.

THE AMERICAN RED CROSS HAS REPEATEDLY ANSWERED THE CALL TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA, BEGINNING WITH THE -- OF 1888, SUPPORT TO AMERICAN TROOPS DURING THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR AND THE GREAT JACKSONVILLE FIRE IN 1902. CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS PROVIDES 23,000 VITAL SERVICES TO MILITARY MEMBERS, VETERANS AND FAMILIES AND DEPLOYED MORE THAN 500 OF ITS 1,600 VOLUNTEERS AND IN RESPONSE TO HURRICANES AND OTHER DISASTERS IN FLORIDA AND NATIONALLY. IN 2020 THEY HEMMED MORE THAN 1500 FAMILIES. BE IT PROCLAIMED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS OF ST.

JOHNS, FLORIDA -- NORTHEAST FLORIDA CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN RED CROSS.

PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS OF THE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ÚSIGNED, CHAIRMAN, JEREMIAH BLOCKER.

>> I WANT TO THE THANK THIS BODY AND THANK THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY FOR THIS RECOGNITION.

I'M JUST FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE IN FRONT AND RECEIVE THIS PROCLAMATION BUT I REPRESENT OVER 1400 VOLUNTEERS THAT SUPPORT OUR REGION WHICH IS 35 COUNTIES OF NORTH FLORIDA AND SERVES 3.8 MILLION RESIDENTS OF THE STATE. HERE IN ST. JOHNS, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE BEHIND ME SEVERAL OF MY BOARD MEMBERS, MY COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER LEADER AND SEVERAL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS THAT ANSWER THE CALL AT 3:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING TO MAKE THOSE HOME FIRE RESPONSES AND THEY'RE COMMITTED TO BEING THE MOST READY WHEN OUR COMMUNITIES ARE LEAST READY SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

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[APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU T COMMISSIONER DEAN.

MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCLAMATION. >> SO MOVED.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

[Public Safety Update]

[VOTE] >> PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. SHERIFF HARPER, PLEASE.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> BEFORE I INTRODUCE -- OUR DIRECTOR OF OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECT NUNS, OUR INMATE FACILITY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS WE'RE DEALING WITH AND THIS IS NOTHING TO INSULT ANYBODY'S INTELLIGENCE AT SAP JOAN COUNTY -- 601 MILES OF LAND. WE ALSO POLICE 221 MILES OF THE OCEAN AND WATERWAYS TOO AS WELL.

OUR TRAFFIC IS INCREASING AND OUR SPRING BREAKS IN THE NORTH HAVE STARTED AND OUR TRAFFIC ON THE BATCHES OF 42 MILES HAS INCREASED. QUICK STATISTICS.

LAST YEAR WE WORKED OVER 4,000 TRAFFIC CRASHES IN SAINT ONTO COUNTY NOT INCLUDING FHP AND ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH AND CITY. YOU'LL SEE A ROBUST TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT BY MY MEN AND WOMEN.

UNFORTUNATELY THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE STATE WITH THE MOST TRAFFIC DEATHS RESULTING IN DEATH TO INCLUDE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS SO THAT BEING SAID I WANTED TO REMIND OUR CITIZENS LISTENING THAT WE PUT THESE MESSAGES OUT FROM YOUR COUNTY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RESIDENTS JUST SLOW DOWN AND PAY ATTENTION TO THE ROAD AWAY.

AGAIN, WE PICKED UP OUR TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT TO SIMPLY JUST TRY TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN AND HOPEFULLY SAVE LIVES. I WOULD LIKE INTRODUCE OUR DIRECTOR, WILES.

SHE HAS 37 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THE JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

RETIRED THERES A A DIRECTOR N HAG OF THEIR JAIL. WE'LL TAKE THAT ANY DAY.

PROUD OF THAT. SHE BRINGS A NEW PERSPECTIVE AND A NEW OUTLOOK TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY JAIL. SHE'S GO AHEAD AND INSTITUTE SOME VERY ROBUST FAITH-BASELIED COMMUNITY PROGRAMS IN THERE. WE HIRED SOME NEW STAFF THAT CAME ON BOARD UNDER HER DIRECTION. AGAIN, WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 410 AS OUR POPULATION FROM 2020.

HOWEVER WE GO AS HIGH AS 440, 450, AND WE'VE BEEN AS HIGH AS 600 IN THE JAIL.

I WANTED TO TOW DIRECTOR WILES. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ME BEFORE I STEP AWAY?

>> WE'RE NOT HAVING A SPRING BREAK AT THE JAIL. I CAN TELL YOU THAT.

WE DON'T WANT ANY PEOPLE VISIT CONTINUING THAT ARE SPENDING STRING BREAK TO SPEND US.

WE'RE AT 436 TODAY SO WE'RE STAYING ON TRACK WITH THAT 410 AVERAGE.

OF THAT TOUR 36, 30 ARE COUNTY SENTENCE INMATES AVAILABLE TO WORK ON OUR WORK SQUADS WHICH PROVIDE WE HAVE NOT DONE OUR STATISTICS YET FOR 2020 BUT IT'S ABOUT $1 MILLION WORTH OF LABOR BACK INTO THE COUNTY IF THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE PAID MINIMUM WAGE SO WE'RE ABOUT ON TRACK AS TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. WE HAVE SOME PROPS WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO A SLOW REOPEN ON.

WE'RE ALLOWING FOLKS TO COME BACK IN AND DO GED TESTING. ENTRANT ALLOWED THAT FOR OVER A YEAR AND WE'RE GOING TO SLOWLY START AS THINGS PERMIT, KIND OF OPENING CAREFULLY.

WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE AS FAR AS INFECTION GOES. WE HAVE A REALLY ROBUST SYSTEM OF QUARANTINE AND PRECAUTIONARY NORMALS. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO A LOT OF OTHER COUNTIES IN THAT REGARD. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, REMEMBER ME FOR ALL YOUR JAIL NEEDS. ALL RIGHT. YOU GUYS TAKE CARE.

>> THANK YOU. >> . >> GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.

>> GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO REPORT LAST WEEK WE HAD A SMALL GOVERNMENT TOURNAMENT. I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE VISITED THE SITE AND I'M REALLY REALLY HAPPY TO REPORT IT WAS A NONEVENT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. IT WAS A FABULOUS WEATHER TIME AND YEAR. WE HAD A FEW MEDICAL PATIENTS WE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF BUT OTHER THAN THAT A NONEVENT AND THE GUYS WERE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF AND MAINTAIN THE VACCINE SITE SO KUDOS TO THE FIRE AND RESCUE STAFF FOR MAINTAINING BOTH SITES THROUGH LAST WEEK.

I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I GOT THIS

MORNING. ANY QUESTIONS? >> FIRST OF ALL, CHIEF, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE SHERIFF FOR YOUR OUTSTANDING TEAM. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT THIS WEEKEND AND THANK YOU FOR THE HARD-WORKING FIREFIGHTERS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT

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THE SCREEN IS DOWN. ANY DELETIONS? COMMISSIONER SMITH?

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>> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> NONE. >> NONE, SIR.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. LET'S OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC

COMMENT ON THE CONTEND AGENDA. >> NOW OPENING UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE?

B. J. KALAIDI. >> ITEM NO. 12 I WISH THIS TO BE PUT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

MY COMMENTS ABOUT IT WILL, THE SALVATION ARMY GAVE THE COUNTY 1850 STATE ROAD 207 SO THEY CAN OWN THE PROPERTY ON OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY BY THE FUNERAL HOME. ACCORDING TO THIS RESOLUTION BY APRIL 2021, SAINT JONES COUNTY WILL BASICS HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THE 207 PROPERTY AND THEN SELL IT TO AN ILLINOIS DEVELOPER FOR $600,000. THE ILLINOIS' DEVELOPER WILL BUILD UP TO 96 APARTMENTS WITH A CLUBHOUSE AND PICNIC PAVILION AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHAT WILL THE RENT BE FOR THE AAPPEAREDDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT THE DEVELOPER PLANS TO BUILD? THE 600,000, THE COUNTY RECEIVES SHOULD BE USED FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LAND ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT'S LAMP WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED UNDER AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. LIKE I SAID, AT THE BEGINNING, THIS KIND OF DOCUMENT AND INFORMATION I THINK IS WARRANTED TO BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, NOT JUST APPROVED ON THE CONSENT

AGENDA. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE SEVEN CALLS WAITING AND IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SKIN ANYONE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA I THINK IT'S BEST TO GO AHEAD AND CALL ON THOSE CALLS BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THOSE WHO ARE CALLING IN, THIS IS NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS IS NOT FOR ANY SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM UNLESS IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO WE'RE ONLY TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO IF YOU'RE CALLING ON ANOTHER ISSUE, PLEASE WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES UP.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST CALLER. THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE. IS THERE A CALLER THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?

SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND SECONDED, DEAN

[Regular Agenda]

>> THAT'S APPROVED 5-0. THANK YOU. >> MOVING TO ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. COMMISSIONER SMITH. I HAVE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> NONE. >> MR. PAUL WALDRON?

>> NONE. >> MR.. >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON. PLEASE VOTE.

>> THE REGULAR AGENDA IS APPROVED. WE'LL MOVE TO THE FIRST AGENDA

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ITEM. AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. >> THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE ITEMS NO. 1 AND 2 ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED TOGETHER.

ITEM NO. 2 IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER. >> LET'S START WITH MR.

WHITEHURST. >> WHEN, FEBRUARY 10, 9:00 A.M., I WENT TO THE HOME OF AND DISCUSSED CONCERNS WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE ADDITIONAL 31 HOMES.

EVERYTHING RANGING FROM TRAFFIC, HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT THEIR LIFESTYLE, SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS TO THE TRAFFIC AND PROMISES THEY FELT WERE MADE BY PEOPLE WHO SOLD THEM THEIR HOUSE. ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25TH, AT 2:30 AT THE OFFICE I MET WITH MR. NATE DAY AND WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AND WE DISCUSSED HIM POSTING ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING. THERE'S A FORMAL NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OF THE IS EARN DOTTED AND TS WEREN'T CROSSED AND MR. DAY AGREED TO HOST ANOTHER FORMAL MEETING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS. YESTERDAY, MARCH 15, 5:30 P.M. I

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>> THANK YOU. MR. PAUL WALDRON? >> THURSDAY, MARCH 11, AT 10:30 A.M. I MET WITH MR. TONY PRESSIK IN THE OFFICE AND WITH STAFF AND MOST OF THE MEETING MR. TONY WAS TELLING ME HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT, THE FACT THAT HE THOUGHT THAT THE DEVELOPERS, OR NOT THE DEVELOPERS BUT THE REAL ESTATE SIDE OF IT DID NOT TELL THEM THAT THERE WOULD BE AN EXPANSION, OR THAT EXPANSION WAS THERE. WE SPOKE ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS EVER TO BE FINISHED AND FINALIZED WHICH -- I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.

AND THEN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON I HAD A TEXT AND A PHONE CALL FROM NATE DAY WHO SPOKE ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] WHICH AGREED TO APPROVE, IMPROVE, AND WHETHER THE PLANS FOR EXPANSION WERE KNOWN TO THE BUILDERS WHICH HE SAID THEY WERE. AND GAVE ME THE REASONS WHY THEY

COULD NOT ACCESS [INAUDIBLE]. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES. ON TUESDAY, MARCH 9TH, I MET WITH MR. TONY PRESSIG AT ROUGHLY 3:30 IN THE AFTERNOON AND HE EXPRESSED HIS ISSUES AS COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST JUST OUTLINED REGARDING PRIMARILY THE -- HIS MAIN CONCERN SEEMED TO BE THE BLOCKING OF HIS VIEW AND HIS CURRENT SORT OF ENJOYMENT OF HIS HOME AND THE VIEW THAT HE HAD WITH THE ADDITION OF THESE HOMES. AND YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AROUND 2:00, I HAD A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. NATE DAY AND HE ALSO ADDRESSED SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES THAT COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON MENTIONED WITH REGARD TO THE [INAUDIBLE] AND HIS INTENTION AFTER DISCUSSION WITH SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS TO ADD SOME I GUESS EQUIPMENT, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT TO THE TOT LOT AREA. THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. CHAIR SMITH. >> THANK YOU.

ON THURSDAY, MARCH 11, 11:00 A.M. I MET WITH MR. TONY AND WE -- DISCUSSED OR OUTLINED SOME OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE NIGHT BEFORE MARCH 10 MEETING. THAT MR. DAY HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY PROPOSED THAT THIS WAS PROPOSED SINCE 2013 AND THE HOMEOWNERS WERE FRUSTRATED AND DO NOT FEEL PROTECTED FROM ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE TOT LOT WAS NOT IMPROVED.

HE BELIEVES THERE WILL BE A DOWN-TURN IN ECONOMY AND VALUES ARE INCREASING DISCUSSED THAT THE TIMING IS NOT RIGHT, ENTITLE APPROVED BUT NOT BUILT AND DISCUSSED SOME OF THE MEETING THE NIGHT BEFORE. YESTERDAY AT 2:00, MARCH 15TH, I HAD A PHONE CALL BEFORE MR. NATE DAY. WE SPOKE FOR SEVEN MINUTES. MR. DAY EXPLAINED THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN PLANNED TO BE DEVELOPED SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PROJECT.

HE RELAYED THAT THE HOMEOWNERS WITH HAVING DONE DUE-DILIGENCE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT WAS OCCURRING. HE SAID DURING THE COMMUNITY MEETING ON MARCH 10 HE AGREED TO AMENNIZED THE TOT LOT, AND -- ASKED IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND I RELATED THE HOMEOWNERS WERE FRUSTRATED THE PUBLIC NOTICE SIGNS WERE NOT POSTED AS REQUIRED BIABILITY JOHNS DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW MANUAL AND THAT ANOTHER MEETING WAS REQUESTED AND APPRECIATED

THAT. THANK YOU. >> CHANGE, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> ON TUESDAY MARCH 9 IS PET AT 3:00 P.M. I MET WITH MR.-- IN MY OFFICE.

HE OUTLINED FOR ME A NUMBER OF CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF IN PROJECT. A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOMES, TEAL CONCERNS ABOUT A TOT LOT, RECREATIONAL SPA IS FOR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN BE ABLE TO PLAY AND WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE GENERAL CONCERNS THAT NEIGHBORS HAD WITH THIS. I RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 50 TO 60 EMAILS FROM DIFFERENT RESIDENTS THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT HAVE HIGHLIGHTED DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT AND THIS POTENTIAL GOING FORWARD. I HAD A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY.

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THANK YOU. MR. DAY? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR AND TO THE COMMISSIONER. NATE DAY, 3741 SAN JOSE PLACE, SUITE SEVEN, JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA 32257. I'LL GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICKLY.

THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH MEETINGS WE'VE HAD. I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS MOST OF THE CONCERNS I THINK YOU'LL HEAR FROM TODAY FROM ANYONE WHO IS HERE TO SPEAK ON IT AND I'M AVAILABLE AFTERWARDS FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. DO I PAGE THROUGH THIS OR WILL STAFF DO THAT? SO JUST REAL QUICK, APPROVED FOR 290 LOTS.

THIS IS SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WAS FIRST APPROVED IN '13 FOR 102 LOTS. IT WAS ON THE WEST SIDE ALONG PINE WAY PARKWAY.

WE SUBMITTED IN '14 AND WAS APPROVED IN '15 FOR THE EXPANSION ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY TO THE 290 LOTS. SINCE '15 THIS HAS BEEN AN APPROVED PUD THAT WE HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING AND SELLING TO BUILDERS.

THIS IS JUST SOME PICTURES OF THE ENTRY, AMENITY AND SOME THINGS THERE.

THIS IS THE CURRENT MAP OF THE 289 DEVELOPED LOTS. THIS IS THE MAP FROM THE RECORDED NDP THAT WAS REPORTED INITIALLY BACK IN '15. WE HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY MADE TWO SMALL ADJUSTMENTS AND ONE MAJOR MODIFICATION JUST AS A REAL QUICK SUMMARY THE FIRST SMALL ADJUSTMENT BE WAS WE BROKE UP A CONNECTION AND MADE A CUL-DE-SAC AND MOVED A FEW LOTS AND INCREASED THE PARK SIZE. THE SECOND SMALL ADJUSTMENT IRONICALLY WAS BECAUSE WHEN WE MADE THE FIRST SMALL ADJUSTMENT WE LEFT A FUTURE CONNECTIVITY ARROW OFF THE VERY END OF WHITE HORSE LANE WHICH IS NOT WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING NOW BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT ENOUGH FOR US TO MAKE SURE THE RECORDED NUMBER HAD THE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY AND WE CAME BACK THROUGH WITH A SMALL ADJUSTMENT IN '17 TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS KNOWN THAT WHITE HORSE LANE, THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THAT MAP HAD A POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTIVITY. WE'VE ENDED UP NOT NEEDING THAT AND ELIMINATING THAT, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THE RECORDED NUMBER AT FUTURE CONNECTIVITY ON IT. WE HAD ONE ADDITIONAL MAJOR MODIFICATION WHICH JUST CHANGED SOME SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ALLOW FOR THE AIR-CONDITIONING PADS TO BE PUT ON THE SIDE OF THE HOME INSTEAD OF REAR. IT'S A COMMON THING NOW. WE HAD TO GO THROUGH A MAJOR MODIFICATION TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT HAPPENED SINCE '12 WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED THIS TO WHERE IT IS NOW.

WE'LL FOCUS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD UP ON THE NORTH PART WHERE THE ADDITIONAL LAND IS BEING ADDED. YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A CONTEMPLATED FUTURE CONNECTIVITY. THERE IS ABOUT 15 ACRES OF UPLAND THAT IS PART OF WHAT JOE -- HAS OWNED, A BIGGER PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS NEVER ACCESSIBLE FOR ANYTHING HE WAS GOING TO DO AND WE HAD ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED ADDING THAT 30 ACRES OF TOTAL LAND, ABOUT 15 ACRES OF UPLAND TO THE PROJECT. I'LL JUST GO OVER REAL QUICK.

HERE'S THE REVISED MAP THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TODAY THAT'S PART OF THE PUD.

THIS SHOWS THE RECONFIGURED NORTH SECTION WITH THE ADDITIONAL 31 LOTS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I'LL ZOOM IN TO SEE A BIT MORE SPECIFICITY, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

WE'VE HAD TO THIS POINT INCLUDING THIS MEETING SEVEN NOTICED MEETINGS GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TRANSMITTAL STAGE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HD A COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WAS HELD IN PERSON BACK WHEN YOU COULD DO THAT MORE EASILY. WE HAD THE PZA MEETING, COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING AND THEN COME AROUND TO THE ACCEPTANCE PHASE WE'LL HAD THOSE MEETINGS.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE VIRTUAL COMMUNITY MEETING WE HAD IN NOVEMBER, APPLICANTS, WE DID NOT POST THE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY. NOTICES WENT OUT. IT WAS NOTICED IN THE COUNTY-WIDE NOTICES THAT WENT OUT. I DO KNOW FROM COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ON THAT VIRTUAL MEETING IT WAS PUT ON THE COMMUNITY FACEBOOK PAGE.

WE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING, HAD A VERY LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME STUFF AND

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THIS IS ALL COMPUTER TEMPLATED. THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING WE COME BACK FOR TO EXPAND HERE.

THE OTHER WAS, WHERE YOU SEE THE ORANGE CIRCLE, THIS SECTION IS A MISS OF 73 AND 83, BUT WE AGREED THAT WHERE WE ENTER THIS NEW PHASE AND WHERE IT'S ACROSS FROM EXISTING HOMES THAT WE WOULD COMMIT TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE THE EXACT SAME ACROSS THE STREET, 83-FOOT LOTS.

DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE WE ARE AGREEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT, DUMP TRUCKS, ANYTHING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PART IS GOING TO ACCESS OFF LONG LEAF PARKWAY.

WHILE THE POND IS DOUG, THAT WILL BE EASY. ONCE THE POND IS THERE WE'LL HAVE TO BRING IT AROUND THE BACK BUT WE'LL DO IT FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT.

I KNOW A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE JUST DEVELOP THESE LOTS OFF OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY. BRIEFLY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT PROHIBIT THIS.

ONE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, IF WE HAVE TO BRING ANOTHER ACCESS IN, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. WE'VE GOT TO CUT OUR POND IN HALF WHICH REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER TREATMENT WE CAN PROVIDE. THE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING LIFT STATION WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE USING FOR UTILITIES BECOMES UNDOABLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUT THE GRAVITY SEWER IN RIGHT-OF-WAY SO WE HAVE TO PUT A NEW LIFT STATION IN.

IT IS PROHIBITIVE TO WE WORK THIS TO COME OFF OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY, AND EVEN THE SECTOR PLAN SPEAKS TO CONNECTIVITY AND -- LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF CONNECTIONS ON LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY WHICH IS A SCENIC SCORE RA DOOR. WE HAD A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AFTER MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER WHITELY. THIS WENT THROUGH PZA, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T NOTICED, AND AFTER DISCUSSING IT IT WAS AGREED WE SHOULD HAVE ONE MORE MEETING TO MAKE SURE IF ANYONE WAS NOT ABLE TO COME TO THE ANOTHER ONE AND EXPRESS CONCERNS, THAT WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. WE REKNOTSED ANOTHER MEETING AND PUT YOU SIGNS AND SENT OUT MAILERS. WE HAD THAT LAST WEEK, MARCH 10 AND WE -- THERE WAS ANYWHERE FROM 22, TO 27 PEOPLE ON THE CALL.

A LOT OF THE SAME CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP. ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONCE IS MOST PEOPLE BOUGHT HERE EITHER NOT KNOWING OR ZERO HOPING THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE ANYTHING ELSE DEVELOPED AND DON'T LIKE THE FACT THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL CARS AND TRAFFIC.

I WILL TELL YOU AFTER DISCUSSING, I'M JUST GOING TO BACK UP SO YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL MAP, IS THERE A POINTER? CAN I POINT TO THE TOP? THE ROAD RIGHT HERE IS CLAIRNDIN AND THEN OLD HILL AWAY, THAT'S BEING EXTENDED. THERE'S THE AMENITY CENTER, POOL, DOG PARK AND PROPOSED PARK, OPEN SPACE PLUS WALKING PATH AROUND THIS POUND.

THERE'S AN EXISTING FOR THE LOT REFERENCED AND I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF YOU ALL AND RESIDENTS, TOO HAS BEEN PLANNED TO STAY OPEN SPACE. BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT CHILDREN BEING ABLE TO PLAY IN THE STREET AND NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY IN THE STREET NOW I'VE COMMITTED THAT WITH THIS REZONING WE WOULD IMPROVE THAT AREA WHICH IS SORT OF BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO PARKS AND DIRECTLY ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE ON -- TO INCLUDE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND SOME SORT OF ACTIVE COMPONENT. WE MEET THE REQUIRES OF PUD AND ZONING ZONE AS FAR AS ACTIVE RECREATION GOES BUT THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT THAT WOULD GIVE ANOTHER SPOT FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR KIDS PLAY. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THIS LAST MEETING.

IT WAS A PRODUCTIVE MEETING. WE CAN'T CHANGE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO NOT DEVELOP IT. THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE QUICKLY, I'VE GOT COPIES OF THE PRINTOUTS TO HAND OUT. I CAN PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. I WANTED TO QUICKLY SHOW YOU A COPY OF THE RECORDED PLAT. CAN I HAND THESE TO YOU? I'LL PUT THIS YOU HERE.

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YOU CAN SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC AND OLD HILL AWAY, IT'S NOT A NORMAL ONE.

IT'S ALWAYS HAD RIGHT-OF-WAY CONTINUING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT EDGE AND SHOWING THAT THAT EXTENDS ALL OF THE PROPERTY LINE AND WOULD CONTEMPLATE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SHOW YOU REAL QUICKLY, THIS IS JUST A PRINTOUT FROM THE GIS MAP ON THE WEBSITE. IF YOU WERE TO GO TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THERE, AND SIMILARLY YOU CAN SEE THE COUNTY WEBSITE HAD THE RIGHT-OF-WAY EXTENDING THROUGH TO THE PROPERTY LINE. I DO THIS EVERY DAY. MOST HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW ALL THE PLACES TO LOOK. BUT IT HAS BEEN -- EVERY PLACE THAT WE COULD HAVE SHOWN THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY AND MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE FOR IT WE HAVE DONE THAT. IT'S BEEN PART OF EVERY SUBMITTAL GIVEN HERE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN RECORDED. I KNOW DAVID WEEKLY, THE LAST THING I'LL PUT YOU THERE AND EXPLAIN IT, IN '19 WHEN WE TOLD THE BUILDERS ABOUT THIS, WE COMMUNICATED IT WAS MOVING FORWARD. THEY UPDATED THE MAPS AND MODELS TO SHOW THE NEW PHASES.

I DON'T THINK PROVIDENCE DID BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT EITHER WALK INTO BOTH PLACES OR SEE BOTH MAPS WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SEEN SOMETHING.

I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE HERE IS LYING BUT I AM SAYING THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A KNOWN FUTURE CONNECTIVITY. FROM A CONSISTENCY STANDPOINT I THINK THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE. THIS IS A SMALL 10 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF LOTS.

IT'S CONSISTENT. IT'S COMPATIBLE. IT'S WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD 30 LOTS SOMEWHERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THIS IS ONE OF THE EASIEST AND BEST PLACES TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. I'LL PUT THIS UP THEY'RE GIVE YOU A COPY. JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THAT. I HOPE THAT'S EVERYTHING.

AGAIN, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF QUESTIONS. I'LL BE AROUND FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. UNLESS YOU HAVE ONES NOW. DO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE

END. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DAY? I THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA. LET ME GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. VICE CHAIR. >> ITEMS NO. 1 AND 2.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CALLS WAITING. IF YOU'RE CALLING IN SPECIFICALLY FOR ITEMS 1 AND 2, OXFORD ESTATES, WE WELCOME YOUR CALL.

IF IT'S FOR ANY OTHER ITEM FOR GENERAL COMMENT, PLEASE WAIT. SO I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HOLDING TO SPEAK ON ITEMS 1 AND 2, OXFORD ESTATES. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD. >> HI. MY NAME IS JAMES [INAUDIBLE].

I LIVE AT 101 [INAUDIBLE] IN OXFORD ESTATES. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

I HAD LIKE TO JUST TAKE MY TIME [INAUDIBLE] KIND OF GO OVER AND TOUCH ON MY CONCERNS.

I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST 15 HOMES BUILT IN OXFORD ESTATES AND, YOU KNOW, 2019 WE WENT UNDER CONTRACT, APRIL 2019 AND THERE WAS ALREADY HOMES EXISTING ON CLAIRNDON ROAD, SO THIS MODIFICATION, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDERS, PROVIDENCE HOMES, I KNOW THEY WORKED [INAUDIBLE] DAVID WEEKLY AND [INAUDIBLE] ULTIMATELY THE ONE THING I SAY IS WHEN I WAS LOOKING TO DECIDE WHERE I WANTED TO MOVE ON CLARENDON ROAD AND OLD HILL, THEY WERE CHARGING CUL-DE-SAC PREMIUMS, CONTINUE, 12, $13,000 HIGHER FOR ON OLD HILL WAY BECAUSE IT WAS ACTING AS THAT

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A COUPLE OF MY OTHER CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, CLARENDON ROAD IS CURRENTLY I BELIEVE [INAUDIBLE] THE MODIFICATION WOULD INCREASE THIS TO AN NEIGHBORHOOD ARTERIAL ROAD AND INCREASE THE TRAFFIC SIGNIFICANTLY AND MY CONCERNS, I HAVE A SIX-MONTH-OLD SON JUST BORN AT BAPTIST HEALTH AND, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED YOU HERE FROM BOCA RATON TO START A FAMILY. I PICKED OXFORD ESTATES IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE A GATED COMMUNITY ON A QUIET STREET WAS THE PERFECT PLACE TO DO THAT.

AND REALLY TO THAT POINT ANY GIVEN SATURDAY OR SUNDAY YOU'LL SEES 15 TO 20 CHILDREN OUT ON THEIR BIKES, OUT ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, LITTLE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, ATVS, LIKE THE LITTLE BABY ATV THINGS GOING DOWN THE STREET AND THEY CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S SAFE RIGHT NOW.

AND I WORRY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INFLUX OF DELIVERY DRIVERS AND THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL BE CONTINUING FOR YEARS THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE SAFETY AND IN HAVING A TOT LOT, A PATCH OF GRASS THAT IS CURRENTLY HALF DEAD NOW BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE IRRIGATION UP FRONT UNTIL HOMEOWNERS REQUESTED IT. I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE GOOD WILL THAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM THE DEVELOPER TO MEET THEIR PROMISES FOR THIS ADDITIONAL FAITH WHEN THEY HAVE ONE FOOT OUT OF THE DOOR AND READY TO PASS THE BUCK OVER TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND PASS

THE HOA OVER, SO THE LAST THING [INAUDIBLE] LIMITED TIME. >> EXCUSE ME.

MYOLOGIES. I DON'T THINK I MENTIONED PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

ARE THERE OTHER CALLERS HOLDING FOR ITEMS 1 AND 2, OXFORD ESTATES?

>> GO AHEAD. >> MICHELLE REARDON. CLARENDON ROAD.

I WANTED TO VOICE CONCERNS. WE BUILT WITH DAVID WEEKLY. THEY NEVER DID SAY THIS WAS A DONE DEAL. I WANTED THAT KNOWN. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN ON OUR ROAD. WE EVEN HAVE CHILDREN THAT HAVE SPECIAL DISABILITIES.

THAT IS A CONCERN WITH THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. WE ALREADY HAVE AMAZON DRIVERS AND UPS DRIVERS THAT FLY THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, CONSTRUCTION FROM OTHER AREAS THAT FLY THROUGH SO I SEE DRASTIC RESULTS OF THIS ADDITION. AND ON ALL PREVIOUS CALLS THAT MR. DAY HAS DISCUSED THIS, HE HAS TOLD ALL OF US THAT IT IS A DONE DEAL AND LAST WEEK SOMEONE DID CALL HIM OUT ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT A DONE DEAL SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT MISGUIDANCE IS FRAUDULENT AND, YOU KNOW, HE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALSO NOT DOING EVERYTHING THAT HE NEEDED TO DO IN ORDERLY FASHION. THE MEETING LAST WEEK WAS REALLY I HOPE THAT TODAY THAT YOU HEAR OUR CONCERNS AND, YOU KNOW, KNOW THAT THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT. I KNOW PEOPLE WHO BUILT WITH OTHER BUILDERS WERE TOLD THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL AND THAT NOTHING WAS MENTIONED ABOUT IT. WE PAID HIGHER PREMIUMS FOR THESE LOTS KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ON PRETTY MUCH A DEAD END SO.

>> GO AHEAD, IF YOU ARE STILL WANTING TO SPEAK. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS WAYNE [INAUDIBLE] 270 OXFORD ESTATES WAY. WE LIVE IN OXFORD WEST.

HE BEGAN THE BUILDING PROCESS IN DEALING WITH THIS DEVELOPER FOR MORE THAN SIX YEARS.

SEEMS LIKE A DECENT FAMILY MAN WHO IS INTELLIGENT AND HAS EXPERIENCE AS A DEVELOPER.

HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN PERSONABLE AND FRIENDLY TO ME. [INAUDIBLE] THE DEVELOPER TOTALLY CONTROLLED THE H A. HE IS THE KING. HE MAKES THE RULES.

HE HE AMENDS THE RULES. HE MANAGES THE FINANCES AND THE BUDGET.

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I HAVE SIGNIFICANT TASKS IN PRESENT EXPERIENCE SERVING ON HOA BOARDS.

I'M FAMILIAR WITH HOW AN HOA SHOULD OPERATE. FROM THE BEGINNING I TRIED TO HELP THE DEVELOPER BE AN EFFECTIVE HOA PRESIDENT. HE'S OFFERED NOTHING BUT [INAUDIBLE] AND PUSH BACKS. HE NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH. HE HANDED OVER FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND WAS NOT ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.

HE COMMINGLED FUNDS FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS AND PRODUCED QUESTIONABLE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS AND BUDGET AND OFTEN VIOLATED FLORIDA STAT 720 AND IGNORED ALL WARNINGS.

HE FAILED TO FOLLOW RULES ABOUT MEETINGS AND COMMUNICATIONS TO RESIDENTS SO MOST RESIDENTS AND BUYERS DID NOT RECEIVE TIMELY STATS. MORE DECISION-MAKING HAS CREATED GATE AND SECURITY ISSUES COSTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. HE CONVENIENTLY CHARGES THOSE TO THE HOA BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE DEVELOPER'S JUDGE. HE'S CLEARED LAND AND CHARGED THE HOA. HE AND THE BUILDERS [INAUDIBLE] ASSURING BUYERS THERE'S NO [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S A TOTAL DISHONEST CLAIM. INSTEAD WE PAY SOMETHING CALLED AN AMENITIES IMPROVEMENT WHERE EACH RESIDENT OWES $300 UNTIL A $2 MILLION DEBT IS REPAID.

IT'S A CDD BY ANOTHER NAME YET FLAGS FLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY CLAIMING NO CDD.

THIS IS DISHONEST. THE TIME IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. DEVELOPER IS FOR THE AN HONEST MAN. HE TREATS THE HOA AND RESIDENTS WITH TOTAL DISRESPECT AND HE EITHER DOES NOT UNDERSTAND OR IGNORES WHEN WE POINT OUT FACTS. HE SUCCESSFULLY KICKS THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD KNOWING THIS MESS WILL BELONG TO THE RESIDENTS WHEN HE TURNS OVER.

I DO NOT LIVE NEAR THE ADDED LOTS AND I'M NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED BUT SIX YEARS OF DISHONESTESTTY IS MY EXPERIENCE. PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE 70-FOOT LOTS.

MAKE HIM GO TO 83 [INAUDIBLE]. >> THREE MINUTES ARE UP. WE APPRECIATE YOU CALLING IN.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. THREE MINUTES.

>> [INAUDIBLE] I GOT TO TELL YOU, I WAS ON HOLD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM AND I DIDN'T GET THROUGH BUT I AGREE WITH [INAUDIBLE]. I KNOW IT'S TOO LATE NOW BUT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, GENTLEMEN, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I AGREE WITH THOSE CALLERS, THE ONES THAT SAY 83 FEET. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. IT KEEPS GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER AND THE PATTERN IS GET SOMETHING APPROVED [INAUDIBLE] MAKE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS, GO BEFORE THE COMMISSION, MEET WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS, PAINT EVERYTHING ROSY, AND THEN YOU VOTE IT THROUGH. HERE'S A GOOD TIME. LET'S START HOLDING DEVELOPERS AND PLANNERS TO THEIR WORD AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAME HERE BEFORE. WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT AWAY.

UNUNLESS IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO STOP ALL THIS CHANGING AND CHANGING AND CHANGING OF THINGS. AS FAR AS SOME SPEAKERS, WHEN I HEAR THEM AND THEY SAY WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF CHILDREN PLAYING ON THE STREETS AND ALL THAT STUFF, THAT WORRIES ME EVEN MORE BECAUSE THOSE SPEAKERS ARE CORRECT, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY SAID 83 FEET, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE BUY PIECES OF PROPERTY BASED ON KNOWING WHAT'S COMING AND WE HAVE TO START, COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE DON'T VOTE ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE ORIGINAL ON THIS.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> IS THERE ANOTHER CALLER PLEASE. GO AHEAD. NAME AND ADDRESS.

WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH TO PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT, THREE MINUTES ON THESE ITEMS ONE AND TWO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER. PLEASE FORM A QUEUE LINE SO WE

CAN MOVE AHEAD EXPEDITIOUSLY. THANK YOU. >> .

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK, PLEASE LINE UP.

WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS HERE SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH IN A RAPID FASHION.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK CAN BE HEARD. PLEASE LINE UP BEHIND THE

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PODIUMS. >> I WANT TO ADDRESS NATE'S CONCERNS, MAKING SURE THE BUILDERS WILL FOLLOW THE RULES. BASICALLY HIS IDEA OF THE ORDINANCE BEING FOLLOWED FOR SEVEN YEARS, '13, TO ME I FOCUS ON NET DENSITY, 1.88 UNITS ON THE WEST SIDE, 1.92 ON THE WEST SIDE. NOW HE WANTS 1.99, JUST UNDER THE 2.0.

HE'S HERE TO MAXIMIZE YIELD AS HE STATED IN HIS MEETING LAST WEEK.

WHY NOW? WHY PHASE SEVEN? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE NO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS ON GREENBRIER COURT OR ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS NEVER HAD A SECOND MAJOR MODIFICATION. THE LAND WAS DEVELOPED AND THE LAND WAS DEVELOPED AND BUILT AND ENDED. THE HOA ASSUMED CONTROL, AND [INAUDIBLE] FINAL ROAD PAVING, CAUSING TREMENDOUS STRESS ON THE DEVELOPMENT IF HE CONTINUES WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION.

LET ME GIVE YOU SOME STATS. I WANT TO MAKE IT PUBLIC. IN THE GREENBRIER CORRIDOR BETWEEN STATE ROAD 13 AND COUNTY ROAD 210 I PULLED IT UP YESTERDAY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY PUD DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP DATED 3-15-2021. SCHEURWATER, 2,723 APPROVED LOTS. 36 DEVELOPED. 64 PERCENT STILL OUT.

MILL CREEK, ZERO PERCENT BUILT. 300 APPROVED. PENDING, BEING BUILT, GREENBRIER DOWNS, ZERO PERCENT BUILT OUT. 818 APPROVED. [INAUDIBLE] OXFORD ESTATES, 290 [INAUDIBLE]. THE THEORIES ARE BACKYARDS. HE MENTIONS THAT BUILDERS ARE [INAUDIBLE] TRANSLATE TO EQUITY FOR THE BUYERS' FUTURE. THEY ARE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE UNLESS YOU HAVE WATERFRONT PROPERTY WHICH WE DON'T. THE BUILDERS CAN USE MODELS.

ECONOMIC INDICATORS RISING BOTTOM RATES MEANS HIGHER RATES FIRST TWO MONTHS OF '21, $200,000 FEWER HOME SALES [INAUDIBLE] NEW HOME SALES ARE BASED ON PRIOR HOME SALES.

SALES OFFICE DID NOT TELL US. THE RISKS ARE SAFETY FOR CHILDREN.

CURRENT PROPERTY VALUES, IMPACT SURROUNDING AREAS, AND WE ALL PAY FOR THE PRICE.

[INAUDIBLE] THE ONLY PERSON HERE [INAUDIBLE] HE'S NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY MONEY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> KELLEY PRICING, 31 OLD HAIL WAY, HIS WIFE. MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED THE HOME ON THE CORNER OF TWO CUL-DE-SACS AND WE WERE TOLD THAT THE LAND BEHIND THE CUL-DE-SAC ON OLD HAIL WAY WAS PROTECTED WETLANDS. OUR BUILDER PROVIDENCE INDICATED THE CUL-DE-SAC MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMPLETED US LEADING US TO BELIEVE A COUPLE OF HOUSES BUILT AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC. I DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE UP BUT THERE WILL BE A PICTURE SHOWING YOU THAT NATE DAY'S PICTURE THAT IT HAS A COMPLETED CUL-DE-SAC. [INAUDIBLE] WOULD THINK MAYBE ONE DAY THEY'LL COME ALONG AND PUNCH OUT THE WOODS AND ADD ANOTHER ROAD.

I HAVE OWNED EIGHT HOMES AND ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON A CUL-DE-SAC EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT WAS AN APARTMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, I CHOOSE MY HOMES WISELY.

I HAVE A GRANDSON, A GRANDCHILD, [INAUDIBLE] 100 PERCENT BECAUSE OF MY GRANDCHILD.

WE WERE ALREADY ON A CUL-DE-SAC IN BEAUTIFUL ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ON [INAUDIBLE] BACKED UP TO WETLANDS. IT WAS A DREAM HOME. HOWEVER, WE WEREN'T FAR ENOUGH ON THE OXFORD ESTATES. WE FELT IT WAS NOT SAFE FOR CHILDREN TO RIDE THEIR BIKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY DO. MY HUSBAND FOUND THIS. WE PAID A PREMIUM.

THERE'S MY GRANDSON AND EMMA WHO LIVES ACROSS THE STREET. PUT THE TOT LOT, PLEASE.

PUT THE TOT LOT. I'LL KEEP TALKING UNTIL YOU DO. THESE ARE THE CHILDREN THAT LIKE TO PLAY IN THE STREET. THIS IS NATE DAY'S FOR THE LOT THAT LIES IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THAT MY SON AND HIS LITTLE FRIEND HAVE TO CROSS TO PLAY TOGETHER IN THIS MISERABLE TOT LOT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AT LEAST 500 MORE CARS GOING IN FRONT OF THIS IF THE EXPANSION HAPPENS. EACH HOUSE HAS A MINIMUM OF TWO DRIVERS USUALLY.

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WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS. THAT'S LITIGATION, NOT AN EXAGGERATION. [INAUDIBLE] THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT YES OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN. IF YOU SEE MR. DAY SQUEEZING THE LOTS SMALLER AND SMALLER.

THAT'S PURE GREED. PICTURE YOURSELF [INAUDIBLE] PAID A LARGER AMOUNT TO GET ON THIS BEAUTIFUL [INAUDIBLE] ONLY TO BE TOLD WE DIDN'T DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN WE WALKED IN OUR BUILDER AND LOOKED AT OUR MAP AND THEN IT SHOWED PROTECTED WETLANDS.

WHAT KIND OF DILIGENCE SHOULD WE HAVE DONE. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. DAY.

MY PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO GO DOWN AND MY CHILD'S LIFE IS AT RISK AND A LOT OF BAD THINGS WOULD HAPPEN. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE POSITIVE THING THIS WILL BRING TO OUR

NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE POSITIVE AND I'LL LISTEN. >> BEFORE WE GO FORWARD,

MR. PATRICK MCCORMACK. >> I WANTED TO REMIND THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO ADDRESS THE BOARD IN

THEIR COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] RIGHT ON THE CORNER ADJACENT TO THE TOT LOT.

I'M ASKING THE COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE NO, EACH ONE OF THEM ON NO. 1 AND 2 OF THE AGENDA.

THE PROBLEM IS CHILD SAFETY. THAT TOT LOT IS NOW GOING TO BE DEVELOPED SO THAT MORE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO THAT CORNER. THAT'S THE MAIN CORNER GOING INTO WHERE THIS AUDITION TAKES PLACE. ONE OF THESE DAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAGIC ACCIDENT OR A CHILD WILL BE KILLED AND I HOPE THE COMMISSIONERS TWO OR THREE YEARS

DOWN THE ROAD WILL REMEMBER THE WAY THEY VOTED TODAY. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I HAVE THREE CHILDREN. I HAVE AN 8-YEAR-OLD THAT HAS ADHD AND I HAVE TWO TWINS, OWL BOYS, AND MY TWINS ARE AUTISTIC. MY CHILDREN DON'T KNOW TO STOP, DON'T RUN OUT IN FRONT OF THAT CAR BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T GET IT. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE ALWAYS OUT THERE WITH THEM WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING. THERE'S SOMETIMES 20-PLUS CHILDREN ON OUR STREET BECAUSE WE LIVE ON THE FUN STREET. IT'S SHADED IN THE AFTERNOON.

THERE'S A NICE BREEZE THAT COMES THROUGH. WEAVER THE HOVERING PLACE FOR THE CHILDREN OF OUR COMMUNITY TO COME PLAY. THEY DON'T LIKE GOING TO THE PLAYGROUND BECAUSE IT'S HOT. WE AS PARENTS DON'T LIKE GOING UP THERE BECAUSE WE DON'T ALWAYS WANT OUR CHILDREN TO GO SWIMMING. IF WE'RE AT THAT TOT LOT BY THE POOL OUR CHILDREN WANT TO BE IN THE POOL. THEY DON'T CARE IT'S DECEMBER AND IT'S 40 DEGREES OUTSIDE. THEY WANT TO BE IN THE POOL PLAYING.

MY HUSBAND HAS BEEN IN THE NAVY FOR 12 YEARS. WE SEARCHED FOR TWO YEARS TO FIND OUR FOREVER HOME IN ST. JOHNS WHICH IS WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE.

WE WANTED TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY. IT'S A GREAT SCHOOL SYSTEM.

WE GET HERE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE LIVING ON A STREET THAT HAS TWO CUL-DE-SACS THAT DEAD END. WE WERE NOT TOLD ANYTHING ABOUT AN EXPANSION.

WE WERE TOLD THAT PERHAPS THE TOT LOT OR THE PRESERVED LOT BESIDE TONY AND KELLEY WOULD TURN INTO A HOME. WE BOUGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT IS 83-FOOT LOTS.

WE WANTED A BIG YARD. WE WANTED THAT COMMITMENT FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN SMALLER LOTS AND PUT IN THESE HOMES THAT ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SITTING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE BOUGHT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE BOUGHT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SO EVERYBODY WOULD BE ON NICE-SIZED LOT AND WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME KIND OF HOUSES. OUR CHILDREN WOULD HAVE OTHER CHILDREN TO GROW UP WITH, BETWEEN THE GATE AND OUR STREET THERE ARE 12 CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND THAT'S JUST THE ONES THAT HAVE MET. THERE'S TONS MOVING IN EVERY DAY AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 500 PLUS MORE CARS ON TOP OF WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP AND TOWN OUR STREET.

WHEN WE HAD THIS MEETING EARLIER IN THE WEEK I WAS STANDING IN THE STREET WHILE WE WERE ALL LISTENING TO THE MEETING AND AMAZON DELIVERY DRIVER CAME DOWN THE STREET GOING SUPER FAST.

I HAD TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET TO STOP HIM WITH OUR CHILDREN PLAYING OUTSIDE AND HE PROCEEDED TO TELL ME HE LOOKED YOU THE SPEED LIMIT AND IT WAS 35 MILES PER HOUR.

HE DISREGARDED THE FACT THAT THERE WERE CHILDREN PLAYING IN THE STREET.

WE HAVE MULTIPLE DELIVERY PEOPLE. WE HAVE CONTRACTORS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN TO VISIT. WHEN YOU ADD ALL THAT IN ON TOP OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IT IS NOT SAFE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND I'M BEGGING YOU TO VOTE NO FOR

THIS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> MY NAME IS PAMELA CREST. I LIVE 44 OLD HILL AWAY RIGHT NEXT TO THAT UGLY TOT LOT.

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I LOVE CHILDREN. THE CHILDREN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ARE OUTSTANDING, ESPECIALLY MY GRANDDAUGHTER AND I FEAR FOR HER AND ALL THESE CHILDREN WITH ALL THIS INCREASED TRAFFIC OF GETTING HURT AND GOD FOR BIT KILLED. IF ONE OF THOSE CHILDREN GET KILLED ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD WILL NOT BRING THAT CHILD BACK SO PLEASE CONSIDER WHEN YOU VOTE ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND THE LOVE YOU HAVE FOR CHILDREN AS WE ALL DO.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

APPRECIATE THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] LAST HOUSE ON THE RIGHT. WE'RE FROM ILLINOIS. WE MOVED DOWN HERE AND THIS IS OUR RETIREMENT HOME AND WE WERE SOLD ON THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A CUL-DE-SAC, A QUIETER AREA.

IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE EVERYBODY ELSE SAYS WHICH I TOTALLY RESPECT AND TOTALLY AGREE, THIS WAS OUR RETIREMENT COMMIT. THIS WAS A CUL-DE-SAC.

WE PAID A PREMIUM. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET REIMBURSED FOR THE PREMIUM BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD IT WAS A CUL-DE-SAC AND IT MAY NOT BE NOW BUT I REALLY THINK THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. BUT IN ADDITION, AGAIN, TO EVERYTHING ELSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOTS GOING FORWARD TOO. THIS HOUSING BUBBLE MAY BURST.

HOPEFULLY IT DIDN'T BUT IT MAY AND THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE IT WILL.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT WHOLE AREA, LONG LEAF PINE AND GREENBRIER AND 210, WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN, THE ROADS AREN'T WIDE ENOUGH. IT TAKES 20 MINUTES AS IT IS TO GET TO 95, LET ALONE NOW ONE LANE EACH WAY IS GOING TO ADD TO IT.

YOU'VE GOT DUMP TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THESE ROADS. YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS COMING DOWN THE ROADS AND LAWN MAINTENANCE TRUCKS. EVERYTHING ELSE.

THEY'RE GOING 15 MILES PER HOUR. IT TAKES FOREVER TO GET ANYWHERE BECAUSE OF THE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED AGAIN FOR CHILD SAFETY.

WE COME AROUND THE CORNERS AND COME IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AND WHEN WE MAKE THAT TURN ON TO CLARENDON HAVE TO GO TWO MILES PER HOUR WITH RESPECT TO ALL THE KIDS IN THE STREETS.

NOBODY SHOULD BE FLYING DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY ALL THE LOTS CAN'T BE 83-FOOT LOTS. THERE'S A FLAG THAT SAYS 83-FOOT LOTS.

WHY ARE THEIR 73-FOOT LOTS IN THIS NEW SECTION NOW? THE WHOLE IDEA OF PEOPLE BUYING IN THIS COMMUNITY IS THE SPACE BETWEEN THE HOMES. THERE'S A VERY GOOD AMOUNT OF SPACE. YOU CAN'T REACH OUT AND TOUCH YOUR NEIGHBOR BECAUSE OF THE SPACE AND BY MAKING 73 LOTS IT'S GOING TO CRUNCH THEM ALL IN AND IT'S GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO AS THE HOUSE PRICES GO UP, AS THE PRICES GO UP, AS THE PREMIUMS GO UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND THE HOUSING BUBBLE BURST, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO BE LEFT WITH THESE BIG EXPENSES HOUSES AND NOTHING TO DO AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNDER WATER IN NO TIME. AS SOMEBODY WHO IS RETIRING DOWN HERE AND HAVING THIS AS OUR RETIREMENT HOME THAT'S A BIG CONCERN TO US. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TEAM.

I HOPE YOU NOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING. I'M DIANE BATTLE AND I LIVE AT 631, SUITE WATER BRANCH LANE. I WOULD FIRST OF ALL LIKE TO THANK UP FOR THE TIME YOU'RE TAKING TO LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS. MYSELF AM NOT A RESIDENT OF OXFORD ESTATES. I'M A NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORS HELP EACH OTHER AND WHAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF BUILDING A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FEEL COMMUNITY. SO TO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY FIRST OF ALL I GOT A COPY OF THE NBR. AT THE END OF THAT, NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS, IT SAYS COUNTY STAFF IS REQUIRED TO DOCUMENT ALL COMMENTS AND AGREEMENTS OR AGREEMENTS MADE DURING SUCH MEETINGS, MEANING THE MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST THURSDAY. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DOCUMENT IT.

MEETINGS MAY BE HELD IN CERTAIN PLACES WHATEVER BUT COUNTY STAFF IS REQUIRED TO DOCUMENT THIS.

NOW, HERE'S THE PACKET OF DOCUMENTS THAT ARE UP ON THE WEBSITE AND I'M ASSUMING YOU GOT THE SAME BUT WHERE IS THE DOCUMENT OF THE MEETING THAT WE HELD LAST WEEK? I SUBMIT THAT WHAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU ISEN INCOMPLETE SET OF DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THERE WERE AGREEMENTS AND COMMIT ELSE MADE AT THAT MEETING THAT ARE NOT THE DEVELOPER SUMMARIZED WHAT HE

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HE WAS FINALLY ABLE TO GET SOMETHING LAST NIGHT BUT THAT HARDLY GIVES THE COMMUNITY A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT, TO QUESTION IT. MEETING MINUTES REPRESENT WHAT HAPPENED AND THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE TO REFLECT ON THEM AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE GET A CHANCE TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THAT. YOU APPROVE YOUR MEETING MINUTES. WHY COULDN'T WE? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MEETING MINUTES SAY BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HE JUST SUMMARIZED THEM FOR YOU THIS MORNING.

A SUMMARY IS NOT A WRITTEN MEETING MINUTES. IT'S NOT A FORMAL DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT. YOU DO HAVE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING. IT'S A LITTLE MEMORANDUM, A MEETING THAT RAN AN HOUR.

YOU GOT A MEMORANDUM AND THEN HE ADDED SOMETHING TODAY THAT LONG LEAF PINES IS A SCENIC CORRIDOR.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT I DID ASK HIM AT THAT MEETING WHY THERE COULDN'T BE AN ALTERNATE ENTRANCE FROM LONG LEAF LINE AND HE SAID, IT JUST WOULDN'T WORK OUT.

HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT THE HOUSES IN. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU, IT WOULDN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE THERE'S WETLANDS AND CLASS A ZONE FLOOD PLACES SO HE COULDN'T PUT HOUSES THERE BUT HE DIDN'T KNOW AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT A TOT LOT WAS EITHER.

HE COULDN'T DEFINE IT BUT HE DID PROMISE TO IRRIGATE IT AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING HE SAID.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, SIR.

>> MY NAME IS JOE MC INARY. [INAUDIBLE] THERE'S A SOLUTION HERE BEAR ALL PARTIES CAN GO AWAY HAPPY AS WINNERS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE OXFORD ESTATES NEIGHBORS WHO APPEARED BEFORE YOU AND PHONED IN TODAY, [INAUDIBLE] GOSH, IT'S A LOT OF CHILDREN HERE ON THIS STREET. THEY HAVE THE OXFORD ESTATES EAST THAT THEY WERE TOLD ABOUT AND BOUGHT INTO.

IT WAS A COMPLETED DEVELOPMENT OF SIX PHASES, NOT SEVEN. HERE'S THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THE ARROW THAT MR. DAY SAYS HE HAS FILED FOR YEARS AND YEARS, ALWAYS ANTICIPATED GROWTH. THIS IS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FROM '15. BUT HERE IS THE PROVIDENCE HOME PLAN.

WHAT HALF OF THESE NEIGHBORS LOOKED AT AND SOLD, THERE'S NO ARROW ON THAT PLAN.

AS YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS THERE WAS NO REPRESENTATION BY PROVIDENCE HOMES THAT THAT ROAD WOULD BE EXTENDED. I GO OUT THERE TODAY AND SEE A CUL-DE-SAC WITH SIDEWALKS AND IF THE ROAD WAS GOING TO BE EXTENDED IT COULD HAVE BEEN WITH TWO YELLOW DIAGONAL LINES AND [INAUDIBLE] THIS MAY CLAIM DENIABILITY THAT THE HOME BUILDERS WHO DESIGNED THE BROCHURES, THE HOME DEVELOPERS, DODGE FOR IT IS THIS APPLICANT WHO SUPPORTED [INAUDIBLE] AND SAID AT LAST WEEK'S COMMUNITY MEETING AND TODAY THAT HE DISCUSSED THESE FUTURE PLANS WITH THEM BUT IT'S EVIDENT FROM THESE BROCHURES THAT HE DID NOTHING TO MONITOR AND PROVIDE FOLLOW-THROUGH QUALITY ASSURANCE.

REALLY THE PROFESSIONALS HAVE THE [INAUDIBLE] NOT THE FAMILIES WHO ARE BUYING FOREVER HOMES.

BY NOT BEING WATCHFUL OF HIS REPRESENTATIVES, OH, GOSH, SELLING TO HALF OF ALL RESIDENTS ON CLARENDON WAY HE'S ALLOWED OTHERS TO BUILD AN ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENTALLY, AND I WILL PUT UP HERE YOUR [INAUDIBLE] DENY THIS APPLICATION IF THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THIS APPLICATION WILL [INAUDIBLE] ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT.

HALF OF THESE NEIGHBORS HAVE AN ESTABLISHED ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS AND SO FORTH. LET ME CONCLUDE HAD THERE'S TWO OPTIONS.

FIRST, RETRACT, TAKE IT HOME AND [INAUDIBLE] HE'S ALLOWING HEAVY TRUCKS TO COME THROUGH TO CONSTRUCT THIS. THAT ENTRANCE CAN BECOME THE PERMANENT ENTRANCE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE WIN-WIN IS APPROVE THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT AND

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RE-DESIGN IT AND BRING THAT BACK FOR PRESENTATION. >> I LET YOU GO A LITTLE FARTHER

BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR THE WIN-WIN. >> THANK YOU.

I SAW MY 30 SECONDS AND THOUGHT I BETTER GET TO THE CONCLUSION. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO PUT IN THE RECORD, I'M OVER HERE TO YOUR LEFT.

>> B. J. KALAIDI, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. I DON'T KNOW IF I HEARD THIS CORRECTLY, COMMISSIONER MET WITH THE BUILDER OR PRESENTER IN HIS HOME.

IT WAS INTERESTING. MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY.

NUMBER ONE, SITTING HERE LISTENING, I LIKE TO LISTEN TO THE DEVELOPERS, NUMBER ONE, IT'S A DONE DEAL. THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE WHEN THEY USUALLY COME IN HERE.

NUMBER TWO, I'M GOING TO STRESS THIS. THIS IS NOT WORLD CLASS LIVING.

THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE PUTTING ONTO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN THIS COUNTY. WORLD CLASS LIVING IS ONE OF OUR GOALS.

AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE RESIDENTS FOR SPEAKING AND I MEAN IT.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE POLITICIANS OR OTHER EMPLOYEES SAY THAT AND THEY DON'T MEAN IT BECAUSE YOU CAN TELL IT IN SOMEBODY'S VOICE AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GO WITH MOST OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING. NUMBER FOUR, THIS NEEDS TO BE DENIED, NO WIN-WIN.

JUST DENY IT. AT LEAST 2PZA MEMBERS VOTED NO ON BOTH OF THESE ITEMS AND IT'S INTERESTING WHEN THESE DEVELOPERS COME IN THEY NEVER BRING THAT UP.

IF IT'S A UNANIMOUS VOTE, [INAUDIBLE] BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A 3-2 OR MAYBE WHATEVER ONE AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE YOU DON'T EXPLAIN THAT AND THERE'S A REASON.

SOMEBODY'S THINKING ON THESE PZA BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU VIEW ME BUT THIS WHOLE THING GOES BACK TO THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT COME TO THIS BOARD THAT I SIT THROUGH IS ABOUT THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST LIVING PLACE BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR FIRST AND THEN WE COMPLAIN BECAUSE OUR ROADS ARE FULL UP AND GOT POTHOLES.

SO IT'S ABOUT THE MONEY AND IT'S NOT ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE AND UNTIL THIS BOARD AND THIS COUNTY AND MUNICIPALITIES DECIDE TO THINK ABOUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND IT'S NOT UP TO PEOPLE COMING UP HERE I WOULD THINK TO HAVE A WIN-WIN. I THINK AS COMMISSIONERS YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE WIN-WIN IS BEFORE YOU SIT YOU HERE AND MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.

SO TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE TONIGHT I'M SURPRISED YOU WEREN'T GAVELED OUT WHENEVER YOU CLAPPED. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CLAP.

ONLY WHENEVER THEY WANT ITS TO CLAP. THANK YOU AND DENIED IT.

>> THANK YOU. THERE'S ONE CALL I BELIEVE, STILL.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THREE MINUTES.

>> HI. MY NAME IS KIMBERLY REARDON, AND I LIVE [INAUDIBLE] BEAUTIFUL TOT LOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME WITH US TODAY.

MY CONCERN IS MUCH LIKE THE REST OF THE OWNERS, AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS [INAUDIBLE] ALL THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH, AND I AM CONCERNED FOR MY SAFETY AND EVERY OTHER CHILD ON THAT STREET. THE OTHER THING IS ALSO THAT WE ARE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY VALUES.

MY HUSBAND AND I, THIS HIS OUR FOREVER HOME, SO WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO SEE [INAUDIBLE] FOR NOTHING. THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN AS WELL. UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE BACKYARD SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT [INAUDIBLE] POOL IN OUR BACKYARD AND ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE POOL THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT COMMUNITY IS ALREADY TOO SMALL AND THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] WE RELIED ON THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE CHOSE THAT LOT AND BUILDER, BECAUSE WE HAD A COMMUNITY POOL, THAT IS GOING TO BE OVERRUN IF WE HAVE MORE HOMES.

AGAIN, I HOPE AND PRAYING THAT YOU VOTE NO. REALLY THINK ABOUT IT AND PUT YOURSELVES IN OUR SHOES, HOW WE FEEL THINKING WE BOUGHT A LOT AND BUILT A HOME THAT WE THOUGHT

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.

WE'LL GO BACK. IT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL. YOU CAN RESPOND.

>> I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. TO START OFF, NOTHING [INAUDIBLE] NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT CONSIDER THIS THEIR FOREVER HOME, TO HEAR THE KIDS PLAYING HERE. THIS IS HONESTLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEALS OR PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, OXFORD ESTATES IS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES I MENTIONED BECAUSE I'M VERY PROUD OF IT. IF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE I THINK IT LOOKS GORGEOUS.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LOVE THIS. YOU DON'T HEAR FROM A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORS HAT LIVE OUT THERE THAT LOVE THIS COMMUNITY -- THE VAST MAJORITY NOT ON CUL-DE-SAC LOTS. IT'S A DESIRABLE COMMUNITY AND I'M PROUD OF IT AND SOME OF THE STUFF MAKES ME MORE PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE OUT THERE. I THINK STAFF CAN CONFIRM, I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRES THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. I HAVE NEVER SAID THIS IS A DONE DEAL. THE ONLY THING I'VE SAID IS THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS SHOWN THERE'S GOING TO BE FUTURE CONNECTIVITY HERE. IN BOTH MEETINGS I'VE SAID, I SAID IT WAS NOT A DONE DEAL. [INAUDIBLE] I SAID THE WORDS, THIS IS NOT A DONE DEAL.

THERE'S STILL A HEARING TOMORROW. YOU HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO COME SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION. I PRIDE MYSELF ON NOT HIRING A BUNCH OF LAWYERS, OF BEING ACCESSIBLE AND AVAILABLE AND ATTENDING THE MEETINGS AS DEVELOPER AND BEING AS FORTHRIGHT AND HOPPEST AS I CAN EVEN THOUGH I THINK THAT'S MISCONSTRUED, AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. YOU HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY THEY WEREN'T TOLD THIS, MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMPLETED [INAUDIBLE] I THINK THERE WAS A HOPE IT WOULDN'T BE BUT IT WAS COMMUNICATED. EVEN THE PROVIDENCE MAP SHOWS CLEARLY SHOWS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE ROAD EXTENDING PAST IT. WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS DEEP DISCUSSION OR SOMEONE WAS TOLD SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY, EVEN THE EARMARKING MATERIAL HAD THAT EXTENDING.

WE HAVE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK. IT HAS T TO BE DEVELOPED PER STANDARD SO WE CAN'T NOT PUT SIDEWALKS IN OR COMPLETE THE CUL-DE-SAC FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO TURN AROUND.

THERE'S A LIGHT POLE WE PUT IN THE WOODS A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WOULD BE EXTENDING ON THE ROAD. IT'S NOT WHERE IT WOULD NORM LEE BE WHICH IS ON THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. SAFETY WAS BROUGHT YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES.

I'LL TELL YOU, [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE ARE STAYING HOME MORE. THOSE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ARE COMING AS WE KNOW AMAZON AND UPS ARE ONLY GOING TO SEND OUT ONE TRUCK AS MUCH AS THEY CAN.

THESE FUTURE HOMES AREN'T GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DELIVERY TRUCKS.

THEY'LL JUST HAVE MORE STOPS. THERE'S ANOTHER TOT LOT. IT'S HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION.

THERE'S AT LEAST 40 HOMES ON BOTH SIDES. IT'S IMPROVED WITH PLAY EQUIPMENT. THERE'S KIDS OUT THERE. THERE'S NOT BEEN AN INCIDENT.

THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ACTIVE RECREATION AND PASSIVE RECREATION IS TO ADDRESS SAFETY CONCERNS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE COMMITTED TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND FROM WHAT IS REQUIRED FROM THAT STANDPOINT. THE POOL IS ALWAYS DESIGNED FOR 320. IT HAS TO BE. WE CAN'T ADD THE LOTS WHEN IT'S NOT DESIGNED FOR THAT. WHEN WE BUILT THAT POOL AND HAD IT DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED IT WAS BUILT BIG ENOUGH SO IT COULD ACCOMMODATE 320 HOMES. THAT'S PART OF THE DESIGN RETIREMENT WHEN YOU DO THOSE THINGS AND APPROVED DURING THE PROCESS.

THAT'S THE MAIN THINGS I WANT TO ADDRESS. IF THERE'S ANYTHING I MISSED OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE. THANK YOU.

>> LET'S GO BACK TO THE BOARD. MR. CHAIR. >> YES.

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR,S FOR MR. DAY.

AFTER ONE OF THE CONSTITUENTS MENTIONED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BILL OF RIGHTS AND THE LANGUAGE FROM THERE AND THE I GUESS THE RECENT MEETING, I WENT BACK AND ASKED STAFF IF THERE WERE ANY NOTES OR MATERIALS FROM THAT AND STAFF HAS PROVIDED -- THERE'S A MEMORANDUM I THINK MR. DAY HAD SENT TO OUR COUNTY STAFF DATED MARCH 10, SO THAT WOULD BE SIX DAYS AGO AND IT DESCRIBES COMMUNITY MEETING NOTES, A LIST OF ATTENDEES, AND KIND OF I GUESS DIFFERENT COMMENTS AND CONCERNS. I DID NOT SEE ANY PRESCRIPTION OR LISTING OF COMMITMENTS IN

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HERE MR. DAY, SO IF YOU COULD -- IF YOU WOULD CARE TO. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO IT'S CLEAR, THE MEETING WAS HELD MARCH 10. THOSE NOTES WEREN'T DELIVERED MARCH 10. THAT MEETING WAS SORT OF ADDITIONAL MEETING.

IT WASN'T ONE OF THE TWO REQUIRED ONES. BUT WE DID PROVIDE SOME NOTES I BELIEVE -- I THINK THE NOTES YOU'RE LOOKING AT WERE COMPLETED YESTERDAY.

>> RIGHT. I HAVE THE DATE ON THE MEMO. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS THE DATE OF THE MEETING OR THE NOTES. SO IF YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR THE

BOARD. >> THAT'S THE DAY OF THE MEETING.

AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THAT MEETING IRRIGATING THAT TOT LOT HAS BEEN A COMMITMENT WE HAVE MADE AND THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN REC AREAS WE DON'T IRRIGATE. WE TRY TO GET THE HAY TO TAKE. THERE'S OFTENTIMES WE HAVE PASSIVE RECREATION AND WE TRY TO GET HAY TO TAKE. IT HATS NOT TAKEN.

I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS. IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. WIFE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH KIM REARDON ABOUT IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. THAT'S BEEN A COMMITMENT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TODAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IS GREEN AND LOOKS GOOD. REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE.

THERE WAS A COMMITMENT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO AT LEAST KIM SHE IS NOT ACTUALLY ABOUT HAVING PLAY EQUIPMENT THERE, THE TOT LOT IS OWNED BY THE HOA AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THE BIGGEST BENEFIT IT WOULD HAVE ACTIVE COMPONENT TO ADDRESS CONCERNS BROUGHT UP AND IT WAS A COMMITMENT MADE WHEN [INAUDIBLE] THE FIRST PERSON THAT SPOKE AT THE VIRTUAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT IT UP THAT WE WOULD COMMIT AS PART OF THIS REZONING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ACTIVE SPACE THERE AND THAT WAS A COMMITMENT MADE AT THE MEETING. IT WAS THE ONLY COMMITMENT THAT I RECALL AND I LISTENED TO THE THING AGAIN THAT WAS MADE SPECIFIC TO THIS REZONING. THE IRRIGATION WASN'T A COMMITMENT. THAT'S A COMMITMENT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THIS REZONING GOES THROUGH OR NOT. I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. JUSTIN KELLY WAS THERE AS WELL TOO. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER MEMORY OF IT.

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> .

>> I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE. FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A COMMENT EARLIER THIS MORNING THAT I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH, JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND THAT IS I FIND THERE DAY, I'VE KNOWN THERE DAY FOR QUITE A WHILE AND I'VE ALWAYS FOULED BACK HIM TO BE A REPUTABLE DEPARTMENTER AND BUILDER AND THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND I FELT COMPELLED TO STATE IT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.

SECONDLY I ALSO FIND THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION AND THIS PROJECT ON ITS OWN STANDING ON ITS OWN BUCKET. IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. I THINK IT'S DESIGNED WELL.

>> MA'AM, ARE YOU STANDING UP FOR A REASON IN THE BACK? [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE CONDUCTING A PUBLIC MEETING HERE. NOT A DEMONSTRATION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

>> YES, SIR. >> SECONDLY, IF I MAY CONTINUE, THIS STANDING ON ITS OWN SORT OF REMINDS ME OF WINDING OAKS THAT WE TOOK UP, IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT, BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH MADE AN ACCURATE COMMENT AND THAT WHAT'S WRONG TIME, WRONG PLACE, TRAFFIC ISSUES. THIS PROJECT, ALTHOUGH I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROJECT, AND FRANKLY I HAVE TO BE HONEST, I WAS THINKING THAT THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT PROBABLY SHOULD GO FORWARD BUT BASED ON THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND REALLY I'VE HEARD -- FRANKLY MAYBE IT'S MY FAULT BUT I'VE ONLY HEARD MOST OF THESE CONCERNS RAISED THIS MORNING AT THE MEETING. I DID SPEAK WITH MR. PRESS SIGNATURE.

I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THESE HOMEOWNERS AND THEIR CHILDREN, FRANKLY AS I FELT AND STILL DO ABOUT RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS AND RESIDENTIAL ZONED COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN INVADED BY SHORT TERM RENTALS. I THINK EACH OF YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT ISSUE.

AND HERE I THINK THESE PEOPLE, MOST OF THEM I HAVE HEARD BASICALLY PROCEEDED TO PURCHASE THEIR BIGGEST INVESTMENT IN THEIR LIFE, THEIR HOME, AND THEY PROCEEDED IN GOOD FAITH BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH GOOD SCHOOLS, GOOD NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THIS WAS AN

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>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENT FROM THE BOARD.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU. >> BECAUSE IT'S IN MY DISTRICT I SHOULD MAKE COMMENTS. I WENT OUT TO VISIT WITH THEM IN THE DRIVEWAY AND SHOWED ME THE LAY OF THE LAND AS THEY SEE IT BACK ON FEBRUARY 10. I'VE HAD MORE THAN ONE MONTH TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED AND HAVE HAD SEVERAL WEEKS NOW TO CONSIDER MR. DAY'S POSITION. I THINK THERE'S A LOT BEING DISCUSSED HERE INCLUDING SOME PERSONAL ATTACKS ON MR. DAY. I ASKED MR. DAY TO GO BACK AND DO ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR CONCERNS.

I THINK 'MR. DAY KNEW THAT HE WOULD BE KIND OF GOING INTO THE LION'S DONE BY DOING THAT.

THE FACT THAT HE WAS AMEANABLE TO DOING THAT. THE FACT HE WENT FORWARD WITH THE MEETING WAS A SHOW OF GOOD FAITH THAT THAT COULD CARRY A LOT OF WEIGHT FOR ME.

SO THE 31 HOMES IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO VOTE ON. THE 31 HOMES IN MY VIEW ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAKE-UP OF THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE OF JANE JOHNS COUNTY SO WITH RESPECT TO MR. DEAN I'LL BE

VOTING YES ON THIS PROJECT FOR THOSE REASONS. >> MR. CHAIR, I APOLOGIZE TO INTERJECT ONE MORE TIME. AS WE WERE SPEAKING ONE OF THE CITIZENS HAD BROUGHT UP SOME NOTES. I JUST MENTIONED THAT RECEPT MEETING THAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THE CITIZENS HAD NOTES. THIS MAY HAVE BEEN COVERED BUT I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY. THE QUESTION WAS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RETROFIT A COMMUNITY IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO ACCOMMODATE THIS LOT. I SEE LOTS OF SIDEWALKS BEING TORN UP, WHICH IS A HIGH-PRESSURE IRRIGATION SYSTEM AND WATER WILL OVERSHOOT THE LOT. MR. DAY I HEARD YOU MAKE COMMENTS ON IRRIGATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAPTURED THAT QUESTION. >> THAT'S FINE.

WE DID THE SAME THING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD AND CAME IN AFTER THE FACT AND PUT IN IRRIGATION. THERE IS REUSE AND WATER FROM JDA.

WE'LL HAVE TO DO A WET TAP WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN THERE'S NOT ARRESTED A TAP PUT THERE.

WE HAVE TO PUT A WET TAP AND METER IN BUT HAVE A PRESSURE DOWN-SIZER TO TAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING WATER OUT EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.

I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND MY CONTRACTOR PUTS IT IN. I CAN'T GIVE THE TECHNICAL ANSWERS BUT WE WOULD REQUEST [INAUDIBLE] IRRIGATION COME AND PUT THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE IN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT PUT INTO THE RECORD FOR THE BOARD'S

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER PAUL

WALDRON NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS, IS THERE A COMMON GROUND THAT CAN BE MADE HERE? THEY'RE PRIVATE ROADS SO YOU COULD PUT A TRAFFIC [INAUDIBLE] WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF THE NEW SECTION IF IT WAS BUILT. AS FAR AS [INAUDIBLE] I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT -- WE PROBABLY DON'T HAVE COUNTY NOTES ON THE MEETING. [INAUDIBLE] ESPECIALLY SAFETY, THE CONCERNS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE SUBDIVISION WOULDN'T HAVE POSTED SPEED LIMIT SIGNS.

I'M ASSUMING IT MAY BUT WHEN YOU HAVE DRIVERS SPEEDING, AND SPEEDING IS AN ISSUE WITH EVERYBODY, IN EVERY COMMUNITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE COULD GET [INAUDIBLE] UP THERE THAT MAY BE AMENABLE TO THE RESIDENTS THERE. JUST TRY TO LOOK FOR A COMMON GROUND. THE TOT LOT, I DON'T KNOW WHY IN THE ORIGINAL PUD IT IS NOT WORKED OUT TO WHAT IT IS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THREE OF THE WAIVERS.

ONE IS RECREATION. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE STATED BEFORE WE EVEN GET PASSED THIS POINT SO WE KNOW WHAT WOULD BE BUILT OR WHAT COULD ACCOMMODATE. THE 35-FOOT SETBACK WHICH IS NORTHWESTERN PART, I DON'T KNOW, ON THE MAP, IF THAT DISTANCE MAY NOT BE BREACHED, WHY THAT WAIVER IS IN THERE. INTERESTING TOO TO ME IS YOU SHRUNK THE LOTS AND THEN YOU

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I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING WORKED OUT BETWEEN THEM AND THE NEIGHBORS, TO HELP OUT WITH THE SITUATION, AND IT CAN BE DONE AND THE HOA IS PAYING FOR IT ANYWAY, TO PUT IN CALMING DEVICES, THE MAINTENANCE, FOR THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, AND ONE THING THAT WOULD HELP JUST ON THE SIDE NOTE, I KNOW AMAZON AND UPS, TRY TO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF THEM WITH THE STRUGGLES THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO IT.

>> YOU CAN RESPOND. >> IN REGARDS TO THE WAIVER, THE WAIVER ON THE 35 FEET IS JUST SPECIFIC TO THE WEST SIDE WHERE WE HAD TO PINCH DOWN THE SIDE CLOSEST TO ABERDEEN WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THE TOWNHOMES AND INCREASED THE LOTS THAT BACK UP TO ROBERTS ROAD.

WE HAD TO GO LOWER TO 35. ON THIS EXTENSION WE'LL MEET AND EXCEED THE 35 FEET.

THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S [INAUDIBLE] ENTIRE THING, A WAIVER.

IN REGARDS TO OTHER THINGS, I DON'T KNOW WITH THEM BEING PRIVATE ROADS WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE APPROVAL FROM HERE. WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY AT THE DEVELOPER'S COST TO PUT IN SPEED BUMPS, POST SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF BENEFIT AND AS SORT OF A CONDITION MADE WITH THE MOTION, ALONG WITH IMPROVING THE TOT LOT BECAUSE THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] WE WOULD BE AMENABLE AND HAPPY TO DO ANYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD TO ADDRESS THAT BLUE LINE I'D ASK THAT THAT BE A SPECIAL CASE TO APPROVE [INAUDIBLE] BUT I'D LIKE

TO HEAR WHAT OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY. >> WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER

SMITH NEXT. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR AN ANSWER, MR. DAY, IF YOU DON'T MIND ON WHY YOU SHRUNK THE LOTS AND STILL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS COMMISSIONER ALREADY ASKED IN REGARD TO THE WAIVER FOR THE

APPLIANCES TO GO ON THE SIDE. >> SURE. SO THE LAND USE ON THIS THAT WE'RE SEEKING AS RESB WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE PROPERTY [INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE TRIED TO MAINTAIN THAT DENSITY AND LAYING THE SITE PLAN OUT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WETLANDS AND WHERE THAT POND IS, IT ENDED UP BEING A MIX OF 83S, AND 73-FOOT WIDE LOTS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. THE WAIVER IS STILL THERE BECAUSE WE WANT THE BUILDERS TO STILL BE ABLE TO BUILD AND OFFER THE SAME PRODUCT THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING OFFERED.

WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A CHANGE IN HOME PRODUCT. IT WAS MENTIONED HERE, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOME AND THE QUALITY OF THE HOME AS WHAT IS MOSTLY TIED TO THE VALUE AND SO ALL OF [INAUDIBLE] PLANS, THE SAME BUILDER [INAUDIBLE] BUT THEY STILL NEED THAT WAIVER SO THAT THEY CAN PUT THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT AND THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT WAIVER IT REDUCES THE PLANS THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE LOTS BUT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO COMPLY AND MEET THE SAME UNITS PER NET ACRE AS WE HAVE THE REST OF THE PROJECT AND

THAT'S WHAT IT ENDED UP BEING BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY FOR [INAUDIBLE] IF HE COULD [INAUDIBLE] I HAVE QUESTION IN REGARD TO THE APPLICATION SUMMARY IMPACT REVIEW IN REGARD TO TRAFFIC.

I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE FURTHER EXPLANATION. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BUT I WOULD LIKE HAVE IT UNDERSTOOD PUBLICLY WHAT'S HERE. ON PAGE 7 IN THE IMPACT REVIEW IT SAYS THIS. DIRECTLY ACCESS ROAD SEGMENT IS LINK 154, LONG LEAF LINE MARK WAY FROM ROBERTS ROAD TO VETERANS PARKWAY. LINK 154 IS PROJECTED TO EXCEED ITS APPROVED PEAK HOUR SERVICE VOLUME BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC WITH A CURRENT STATUS OF DEFICIENT AT 136.9 PERCENT OF CAPACITY. THIS SEGMENT IS CENTLY OPERATING AT 78 PERCENT OF THE APPROVED PEAK HOUR SERVICES, SERVICE VOLUME BASED ON THE '19 TRAFFIC VOLUME. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS IN REGARDS TO THE DISTINCTION OR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 136.9 PERCENT AND THE 78 PERCENT.

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>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. CERTAINLY COMMISSIONER SMITH THE LINK IS FROM ROBERTS ROAD TO VETERANS PARKWAY, IS CURRENTLY TWO-LANE ROADWAY AND IT'S A VERY LONG STRETCH.

ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR-MILE. SO THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TOTAL COMMITTED TRIPS WHICH IS 139 PERCENT OR SO AND THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD IS 78 PERCENT, SO WE CONDUCT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS COUNTY- WIDE ON COLLECTOR ROADS AND THAT WAS THE INDICATION THAT THE 78 PERCENT OF CAPACITY IS WHAT IS ON THE ROAD. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING RIGHT NOW. EIGHT SO WE STILL HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 22 PERCENT REMAINING BEFORE IT REACHES CAPACITY. SO THE 136 INCLUDES ALL OF THE EXISTING APPROVED DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE ANTICIPATE A PORTION OF THAT WILL IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR SELLING. AND THAT'S HOW WE MEASURE IN OUR CONCUR WRENSY PROGRAM -- CONCURRENCY PROGRAM. WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC BUT WE WOULD ADD ALSO THE APPROVED TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING ONLINE AND THAT ANY SUBDIVISIONS COMING AFTER THAT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADD -- WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL TRIPS THAT WILL ANTICIPATE THAT WILL IMPACT THAT SEGMENT AND THAT'S PART OF OUR MITIGATION PROGRAM IN ORDER TO ALLOW PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD, PAY THE MITIGATION, TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION AND

MOVE FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION. THE [INAUDIBLE] RESERVATION FOR THOSE TITLEDMENTS THAT

[INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS SEGMENT TODAY IS OPERATING AT 76 PERCENT BUT IF THOSE OTHER BUILDS ARE COMPLETED IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE DEFICIENT

TODAY, IF THEY WERE BUILT TODAY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. IF THEY ALL COME LINE TODAY, YES, IT WILL BE DEFICIENT. BUT WE ALSO APPROXIMATELY IN PLANNING STAGE IS THAT RIGHT AROUND 80 PERCENT OF CAPACITY, THAT'S WHEN WE START TO LOOK INTO PROGRAMMING FOR

IMPROVEMENTS. >> AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROGRAMMING FOR IMPROVEMENT THAT

WOULD GO FORWARD. >> RIGHT NOW FROM COLLECTIVELY THROUGH THE YEARS WE HAVE COLLECTED ROUGHLY ABOUT $7 MILLION THAT WE HAVE ON HAND JUST FOR THIS CORRIDOR.

THIS CORRIDOR WILL TAKE ABOUT 20 TO 21 MILLION, BASED ON TODAY'S COST ESTIMATE.

IN THE FUTURE IT COULD COST MORE. SO WHAT WE START TO DO RIGHT NOW IS THAT SINCE IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO EXPAND TO THE FOUR-LANE ALREADY FROM THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE TWO-LANE, EXISTING TWO-LANE, SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO UPDATE THAT FOUR-LANE DESIGN. AND ONCE WE DO THAT THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPER SEGMENTED PART OF THIS FOUR-MILE SEGMENT IN ORDER TO PROGRAM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY, THE BEST LUCIAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR-LANE, FROM THE EXISTING, UHM, VETERANS, HEADING WEST AT A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SIDE STREETS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT SUITABLE AND WITH THE BUDGET WE HAVE.

AND THEN AS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING, OR PROGRAM ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE'LL TAKE IT ALL THE

WAY DOWN TO ROBERTS ROAD. >> AND YOU AND I DISCUSSED AS WELL THERE COULD BE PHASES DONE BUT [INAUDIBLE] SPLIT THAT SEGMENT UP INTO DIFFERENT SEGMENTS, WITH THE AMOUNT OF

FUNDING WE HAD IT WOULDN'T RESOLVE THE DEFICIENCY ENTIRELY. >> IT WOULD NOT, YES.

>> I KNOW IT'S AN ESTIMATE OR GUESSTIMATE BUT WHAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL INCREASE IN REGARD TO THAT 78 PERCENT OR THE 136.9 PERCENT, WITH 31 HOMES ADDED TO IT? IS IT LESS THAN A PERCENT? MORE THAN 10 PERCENT? WHAT WOULD IT BE.

>> THE CAPACITY IS ABOUT ROUGHLY ABOUT 1500 PEAK TRIPS, SO 31 HOMES IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 30 TRIPS

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE. >> VERY DEMINUTIVE.

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>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE THAT WOULD REDUCE THE DEFICIENCY HERE? FOR INSTANCE, ARE THERE OTHER ROAD PROJECTS THAT ARE YET NOT BIT THAT WOULD REDUCE THIS PARTICULAR DEFICIENCY, THIS LINK

DEFICIENCY. >> YES, SIR. THERE ARE TWO.

RIVER TOWN IS APPROACHING ITS THRESHOLD TO CONSTRUCT THE EXTENSION OF VETERANS FROM LONG LEAF PINE DOWN TO GREENBRIER AND 210 AND 210 WEST MEET AND THEY ARE PROCEEDING TO DO CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. IN FACT THEY STARTED ALREADY FROM THE NORTH, AND THIS WAS PART OF ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT BUT RIVER TOWN 'EVENTUALLY WILL COME IN AND CONSTRUCT A FOUR-LANE ALL THE WAY DOWN. THAT WE HAVE LOOKED OUT AND THEY PROVIDE SOME RELIEF OF LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE PEOPLE WOULD LIVE. I WOULD PROJECT THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN RIVER TOWN THAT IS CLOSER TO 210 WEST WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY USE THAT NEW EXTENSION, VETERANS EXTENSION. AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE BIGGER PICTURE IS THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. THAT BASICALLY ALREADY HAS FUNDING FOR '20-'23 BUT THEY'LL START APPROXIMATELY IN '22 TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION. ONCE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IN PLACE, WE SAW INDICATION FROM THE TRAVEL PLAN FORECASTING THAT THERE'S A REDUCTION OVERALL COUNTY-WIDE ON MOST OF THE EXISTING CORRIDOR PREDOMINATELY 210 BUT THERE'LL BE A SIMILAR

REDUCTION WITH LONG LEAF PINES . >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE TO ME IT'S NOT JUST THE INTERNAL ISSUE OF TRAFFIC INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF BUT EXTERNALLY BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IS TREATMENTLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER IS WHAT IS THE OVERALL COST OR THE REPERCUSSIONS FOR APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE A GREATER DENSITY AND THE TRAFFIC IMPACT IT HAS.

, BUT JUST TO SUMMARIZE IT THIS WOULD BE A DEMINIVE IMPACT ON THAT LINK.

THERE'S OTHER THINGS FORTHCOMING THAT COULD DIMINISH SOME OF THAT DEFICIENCY AS WELL, SO IT

REDUCES THE CONCERN OF APPROVAL. THAT'S NOT INACCURATE, IS IT? >> THAT'S VERY ACCURATE.

TYPICALLY, IF THIS IS A 31 YOU UNIT SUBDIVISION, COMES IN BY ITSELF, IT WOULDN'T RISE AT THE LEVEL WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THAT'S CONSIDERED A SMALL PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I LOOK AT MY BOOK AND I WANT THE COMMISSION TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S A CONCERN ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SEE 136.9 PERCENT DEFICIENCY. AFTER TALKING WITH [INAUDIBLE] FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME THAT CERTAINLY RELIEVED MY ANXIETY CONCERNING IT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT IT OVERALL, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT LOOKS LIKE IN-FILL IN A DEVELOPMENT AREA.

THE CONCERN IS THAT IT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD ESTABLISHED. WE HAVE SEEN CERTAIN ISSUES WITH THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH BEFORE AND SO YOU LOOK AT IT FROM MY VIEWPOINT IS THAT YES IT FITS BUT IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON ADDRESSING CALMING DEVICES OR RELIEFS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A WINNABLE SITUATION.

I KNOW THAT SOME WOULD NOT LIKE TO HAVE IT THERE BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT SAFER? I THINK THAT'S WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES IN AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF THIS BOARD MOVES FORWARD WITH IT? THAT AND ALSO THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE TOT LOT. THERE'S NEGATIVES THAT COME WITH IT BUT THERE'S ALSO POSITIVES THAT COME WITH IT TOO. HOWEVER THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS A DEVELOPABLE AREA AND THIS IS WHAT WE NORMALLY CONSIDER TO BE IN FILL SO I WOULD BE MORE FAVORABLE TO IT. THE CONCERN IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

I CAN HAVE MR. DAY COME UP. I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. I HAVE ALWAYS FOUND YOU TO BE A STRAIGHT SHOOTER AND HONEST BROKER AND I APPRECIATE THAT HOWEVER I DO HAVE CONCERNS.

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THE CUL-DE-SAC PREMIUMS, THAT CONCERNS ME. WE'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT PAID A HIGHER PREMIUM FOR WHAT THEY UNDERSTOOD TO BE A CUL-DE-SAC.

BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT I WANT TO OUTLINE TO YOU WHAT SOME OF MY CONCERNS ARE ABOUT THAT T. WE HEARD A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS, AND I TOOK NOTES HERE, DETAILED NOTES, HIGHLIGHT THAT WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH PROVIDENCE, THROUGH THE ADVERTISING, THEY WERE COLLECTING HIGHER PREMIUMS ON THE CUL-DESACS. THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME. WHAT YOU HAVE IS RESIDENTS WHO ARE PURCHASING HOMES, WE ALL HOPEFULLY HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE BUYING AND HOME AND MAKING THAT FINANCIAL DECISION, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THIS LOT OR THAT HOME OR PURCHASE THIS OR THAT HOME, THAT FACTORS IN.

IT FACTORED IN WITH MY FAMILY. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I UNDERSTAND FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE THAT PROFESSOR DENSE OR DAVID WEEKLY, PROMOTING OR ADVERTISING [INAUDIBLE] MY QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ARE WERE YOU AWARE THAT DAVID WEEKLY AND PROVIDENCE WERE COLLECTING THOSE

PREMIUMS? >> I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT. THE CONVERSATION I DID HAVE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY '19 WHEN DAVID WEEKLY UPDATED THE MAPS IS THEY HAD HAD A COUPLE OF BUYERS LOOKING AT LOTS. THEY CAME TO US WITH WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE NEXT PHASE. WE TOLD THEM HERE'S THE SITE PLAN WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING AND THEY PUSHED BACK AND SAID, HEY, THESE AREN'T PREMIUM LOTS AND WE HAD TO CREDIT THEM BACK SOME MONEY BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO NOT HAVE TO GET SOME PREMIUM OFF THOSE LOTS SO WE HAD A VERY SPECIFIC CONVERSATION WITH WEEKLY THAT INVOLVED THEM GETTING A CREDIT FROM US SO THEY COULD CHARGE AS REGULAR LOTS. FROM ALL I UNDERSTAND AND IN TALKING WHO I TALKED TO, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. WE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH PROVIDENCE.

THEY ALWAYS KNEW THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN EXTENSION THERE SO THERE WAS NEVER ANY REQUEST OR REQUIREMENT TO CHANGE THE PRICE OF THE LOTS. WE SELL ALL THOSE LOTS AT ONE PRICE. THE BUILDERS ARE THE ONES THAT SIT THERE AND DECIDE WHICH ARE PEOPLESUPS AND WHICH ARE NOT AND WE'RE NOT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

IT'S JUST HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE PURCHASING AND [INAUDIBLE]. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I AGREE WITH. IT IS COP SERVICING THAT SOMEONE WAS TOLD ONE THING AND GOT SOMETHING ELSE. I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT TOO.

I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON RECORD SOMEWHERE IN MULTIPLE PLACES THAT [INAUDIBLE] AND EVEN SAID ON RECORD IT WAS COMMUNICATED IN SOME FORM OR FASHION AND [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY SELL AS LOT PREMIUMS. WE WERE NOT PART OF THAT PROCESS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. THIS IS A QUASI PROCEDURING. LEGAL NUANCES BUT THE FACTS ARE PRESENTED, YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT PURCHASED A HOME THAT PAID A HIGHER LOT PREMIUM.

SOME SAID AS HIGH AS $12,000 OR HIGHER. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN IN MY NOTES. THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME. IT'S CONCERNING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF, WHEN WE HAVE TO EVALUATE, I AGREE THIS NORMALLY WOULD BE IN-FILL DEVELOPMENT, AN EXISTING ■DEVELOPMENT,AND YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT MADE PURCHASES BASED ON THAT.

WERE YOU AWARE THAT PROVIDENCE AND DAVID WEEKLY WAS PROMOTING THAT THOSE WERE GOING TO BE

CUL-DE-SACS. >> NO. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY

WEREN'T. >> THERE'S A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND THE SPECIFIC ONE. SEVERAL WERE SOME SCHEMATICS SPECIFICALLY WITH DAVID WEEKLY AND PROVIDENCE, SOME OF THEIR CHARTS AND DIAGRAMS, WERE ANY OF THOSE PREAPPROVED BY YOU AS A DEVELOPER? DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

REVIEW THOSE? >> NO. THE SITE PLAN MAPS WE DON'T APPROVE. WE GIVE THEM THE PLAT AND ENGINEERING PLANS AND THEY MAKE

THE PICTURE THAT THEY USE [INAUDIBLE]. >> WERE YOU AWARE THAT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES THEY WERE ADVERTISING OR PROMOTING THAT THESE WOULD BE EXISTING CULL

DESACKS. >> NO. >> DID YOU HEAR THE TESTIMONY

TODAY? >> I'M NOT ARGUING THEIR TESTIMONY.

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>> SURE. >> EVERY TIME THIS HAS COME YOU WE HAVE EXPLAINE, WHOEVER HAS BEEN ASKING, YES, THERE IS A VERY LIKELY FUTURE EXPANSION THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF

TRYING TO DO. >> SURE. I'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.

THE TIMELINE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT WAS YOUR ORIGINAL VISION FOR THIS TIMELINE? -THAT'S COME UP. WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SOME OF THE TESTIMONY TODAY WAS THERE WAS AN INTENT TO REIRRIGATE, MAYBE CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN THAT'S BEEN HIGHLIGHTED THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO AND UNDERSTAND, INDIVIDUALS THAT PURCHASED HOMES AND THAT BUILT HOMES, THEY HAD AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE AND IT'S DIFFERENT NOW AND LET TO DISTRUST AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT. CAN YOU ELABORATE?

>> THAT SPECIFIC SQUARE WAS [INAUDIBLE] THE INTENTION WAS IT TO LOOK NICE AND THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. I COMPLETELY AGREE. WE'VE CONTINUED TO WORK AT AND SORT OF GIVEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO IRRIGATE THIS TO KEEP IT LOOKING NICE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LIKE LARGER TRACKS WHERE WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO GROW.

THE INTENTION WAS JUST FOR GRASS, OPEN SPACE. THE ONLY TWO PLACES THAT HAD PLAY EQUIPMENT WAS ON THE WEST AND THE AMENITY CENTER ON THE EAST.

>> WHAT HAS PREVENTED US TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE RESIDENTS?

>> HONESTLY JUST US TRYING A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE REPLACED THE GRASS A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES, TRIED TO BORDER THE EDGES, WASN'T ANY BLEED-OVER FROM THE NEIGHBOR LOTS TO OURS.

JUST TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ONGOING COST TO THE HOA.

>> OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS AND WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS, IT'S NOT SWORN TESTIMONY, BUT EVIDENCE AND COLLECTED AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A CONCERN HIGHLIGHTED TODAY, HEY, LISTEN THE DEVELOPER HAS ONE THING AND WE PURCHASED WITH A CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING AND NOW THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND NOW WE HAVE THIS EXAMPLE OF A TOT LOT WITH A EXPECTATION.

WERE YOU AWARE [INAUDIBLE] WITH PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY

REPRESENTATIONS MADE. >> NO. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THEY WERE COMMUNICATING. WE GOT A FEW CALLS ASKING WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE. WE ALWAYS SAID IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A GRASS FIELD.

>> UNDERSTOOD. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AGAIN.

I THINK WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO US IN THIS MEMORANDUM IS SOMEWHAT UNCLEAR AND I JUST HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW. LIKE YOU SAID, THIS WAS SOMETIME AGO BUT WE RECEIVED IT YESTERDAY. LET ME HIGHLIGHT BRIEFLY WHAT I WROTE DOWN.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS CORRECT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR DECISION-MAKING.

WHAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO NOW IS 83-FOOT LOTS; IS THAT CORRECT. >> 83 ON THAT FIRST ENTRY PART

THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXISTING HOMES. >> THAT WOULD BE 31 FUTURE HOMES

THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING, HOMES, 83 FEET. >> NO.

MIX OF 83S, AND 73S. THERE'S FIVE LOTS WE'RE COMMITTING THOSE SPECIFICALLY WILL BE 83-FOOT WIDE LOTS. THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE A MIX OF 73S AND 83S.

>> THE CURB COST FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS, YOU'RE AGREEING TO THAT.

>> THE CURB CUTS ARE THERE. THAT WAS JUST NOTATING -- THAT'S OUR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS WHEN

WE'RE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY. >> YOU AGREED TO MOVE THE TOT LOT FROM A PASSIVE RECREATION TO

AN ACTIVE. >> YES. AND INSTALL PLAY EQUIPMENT.

>> OKAY. CAN YOU ELABORATE FOR US? I UNDERSTAND THIS IS COMING NONE A MEETING BUT WE DID SPEAK ABOUT IT YESTERDAY. ON THE RECORD, WHAT IS YOUR

VISION FOR THAT TOT LOT? >> SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

THERE'S AN EXISTING FOR THE LOT WITH PLAY STRUCTURE. IT WOULD BE OF SIMILAR SIZE AND

SCALE. >> DO YOU HAVE AN IMAGE? >> I DON'T.

NOT WITH ME. >> THAT'S FINE. AS FAR AS THE -- I HEARD ONE LADY AND I THOUGHT HER TESTIMONY WAS COMPELLING. SHE SPOKE ABOUT HAVING SEVERAL CHILDREN THAT HAVE SOME DISABILITIES AND TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS 35 MILES PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND COUNTY-WIDE AS FAR AS

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WE DON'T BEHALF A POSTED SPEED LIMIT IN THERE. IT'S WHAT SORT OF COUNTY-WIDE,

STATEWIDE IS. >> I'LL ASK THAT BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT A POSTED SPEED

LIMIT. NO. >> HOW ABOUT SPEED BUMPS. >> THERE'S NONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD MORE THAN HAPPILY INSTALL.

>> YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO PUTTING SPEED BUMPS. >> YES.

>> HOW ABOUT SIGNAGE. >> [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE VIRTUAL MEETING IN MARCH.

I STAYED ON TO ANSWER HOA QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE WAS A NUMBER OF OWNERS THERE.

IT WASN'T [INAUDIBLE] IT CAME UP IN THAT CONVERSATION AFTERWARDS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO POSTING SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. I BROUGHT IT DOWN AND SOMETHING WE SENT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. [INAUDIBLE] COMMIT TO IT HAS A CONDITION OF THIS SO THAT,

YOU KNOW, THERE'S COMFORT THAT IT WILL HAPPEN. >> UNDERSTAND.

I THINK I'LL HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER FROM STAFF ON WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS. THEN WE'LL GO TO SOME OTHER

COMMISSIONERS. YES, SIR? >> YES, SIR.

ON LOCAL ROADS BY STATUTE, IT'S 25. >> 25?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. YES, SIR. I JUST WANT TO THE PROVIDE ANOTHER INPUT RELATING TO TRAFFIC CALMING. UNLESS, AS PART OF THE APPROVED SET OF INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS ON THE ROADWAYS THEN IN ORDER FOR EITHER FOR LOCAL ROADS THAT ARE PRIVATE OR PUBLIC IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS THAT AT LEAST 70 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS APPROVE FOR SUCH MEASURE, AND THEN THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD. OTHERWISE IT CANNOT BE

IMPLEMENTED. >> LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS.

SPECIFICALLY ANY TYPES OF SPEED BUMPS OR TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES, THAT IS SOMETHING THE DEVELOPER CAN UNILATERALLY PUT IN PLACE. IS THAT RIGHT.

>> THEY COULD, IF IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED TRAFFIC SET OF ROADWAY DESIGN THAT INCLUDES THAT. OTHERWISE ONCE BASICALLY YOU HAVE RESIDENTS OCCUPYING THE COMMUNITY OR THE SUBDIVISION THEN IT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAT OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT MANAGE THEN AND HAS TO MEET 70 PERCENT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS, OR

TOTAL RESIDENT IN THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THIS AND [INAUDIBLE] WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT. WE'LL GO TO THE OTHER

COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> CAN THAT BE DONE WITH HOA

APPROVAL OR EVERYBODY RECOMMENDED ON THE. >> HOA, NO.

UNLESS IT'S A CDD COMMUNITY DISTRICT OR SOMETHING THAT HAS MUNICIPAL.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> TO DO THAT. OTHERWISE IT GOES THROUGH THE

COUNTY. >> BUT AT THE EXIT OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU CAN PUT IT IN

THAT IF WE AGREE TO IT TODAY WHEN HE SUBMITS THE PLANS. >> IF THAT'S PART OF THE OVERALL, THEN NO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY FOR THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION.

I BELIEVE THIS IS JUST EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING SUBDIVISION. >> OKAY.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WAS FOR MR. DAY TOO I'VE HAD A REAL ESTATE LICENSE FOR 21, 22 YEARS. ACTUALLY I JUST RENEWED IT AND I'M NOT ACTIVELY DOING IT BECAUSE OF BEING ON THE BOARD. SOME OF THE ISSUES I HAVE IS ON ONE OF YOUR MAPS YOU SHOWED IT SHOWED TOT LOT. THE DEFINITION OF A TOT LOT IS CHILDREN PLAY EQUIPMENT AND PLAY SPACE. THAT IS WHAT'S BEEN IN YOUR APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY ORIGINALLY AND FROM EVERYTHING THAT WAS ADVER YOU ARE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE TOT LOT LIKE THE OTHER BUT IT WAS ON THE MAP AS A TOT LOT. THIS IS CONCERNING WITH ME WITH STAFF BECAUSE WE SHOULD HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR A RECREATION AREA THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE EVERYTHING TO BE CLEARED UP BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT, YOU KNOW, THAT, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE DONE TO WHAT EXTENT. [INAUDIBLE] OR COULD BE ADDING

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BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE CAN'T DO, THE TRAFFIC CONING AND STUFF, BUT COULD DO SIGNAGE, SPEED LIMITS, CHILDREN PLAYING SIGNS COULD BE PUT THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO TRY TO SLOW PEOPLE DOWN, AND IF IT'S APPROVED.

I'M NOT 100 PERCENT SOLD ON IT YET. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAD, WHAT YOU ENVISIONED ORIGINALLY WHEN YOU PUT IT OUT THERE AND KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE A TOT LOT. IT'S HARD TO GO BACK FROM TOT LOT BY DEFINITION TO A GRASS FIELD AND THAT'S THE CONCERN MOVING FORWARD WITH ANY DEVELOPERS THAT COME BEFORE US IS THE EXPECTATION YOU SELL THIS BOARD, YOU SELL THE COMMUNITY, SHOULD BE WITHHELD AND DONE,

UPHOLDED AND DONE. >> THIS CAME UP IN THE DISCUSSION AND I AGREE THAT THAT WORD CARRIES SOME EXPECTATION AND SO YOU COULD ARGUE THAT A PLAYGROUND WAS ACQUIRED ALREADY AND WASN'T PUT IN. A LOT OF THAT STUFF, AND THIS ISN'T AN EXCUSE, BUT OUR ENGINEER AND PLANNER KIND OF PULLED THIS TOGETHER AND I GLOSSED OVER THE WORD FOR THE LOT FOR YEARS AS FAR AS AN OPEN AREA AND WHAT YOU PUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IS UP IN THE AIR.

BUT AFTER HAVING A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT DOES NOTE SOMETHING.

SO REGARDLESS [INAUDIBLE] AND GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, BE MUCH MORE CLEAR ABOUT HOW WE LABEL THESE THINGS. I KNOW TOT LOT AND [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS.

>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WHEN I VISITED WITH THE PRESSIG'S, THERE WAS A LAMP POST, AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING INFORMATION, THERE'S ONE BEYOND THE CUL-DE-SAC BACK IN THE WOODS WHERE THE TREES ARE AT. WHEN WAS THAT ERECTED.

>> AT THE SAME TIME ALL THE ELECTRICITY AND LAMP POSTS WERE PUT IN AND IT'S IN LINE WITH THE PUNCH-OUTS ON THE PLANS THAT SHOW THE FUTURE ROAD, THE ELECTRICAL PLAN HAD THAT ROAD GOING ON SO IT'S ON THE EXTENSION OF WHAT THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BE.

IT WAS NUT IN AT THE SAME TIME AS ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT ANYBODY BUYING IN THAT AREA WOULD HAVE SEEN THE LAMP POST

BEFORE THEY SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE OR IS THAT NOT TRUE? >> YEAH.

I THINK THERE'S -- I WOULD SAY YES. I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE HERE THAT WOULD DISAGREE. AGAIN, [INAUDIBLE] CLEARLY THERE WAS NOT A SIGN THERE THAT SAID, THIS IS FUTURE EXPANSION AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME INTERPRETATION AND SOME, YOU KNOW, DUE-DILIGENCE THAT HAD TO BE DONE. I THINK OUTSIDE OF BEING TOLD ONE THING BY SOMEBODY EVERYTHINGER ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK UP OR TRY TO FIND INFORMATION ON WOULD HAVE SHOWN OR GIVEN YOU THE IDEA THAT THIS CUL-DE-SAC DOESN'T END, IT'S PUNCHED OUT THE OTHER SIDE AND SOMETHING COMING. I CAN'T ITEM YOU WHAT SOMEONE ELSE WOULD SAY. I WOULD SAY IT WOULD SHOW THERE'S SOMETHING GOING IN HERE

BUT I KNOW PEOPLE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. >> I JUST KNOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS AND YOU DID MAKE MENTION OF THE FACT THERE'S A LAMP POST IN THE WOODS THAT'S CLEARLY VISITABLE. I NOTICED WHEN I WAS OUT THERE ON FEBRUARY 10.

I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENT FOR THE BOARD? I'M GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION. PATRICK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AND SEE IF YOU AND YOUR OFFICE CAN POINT ITS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS COME UP. I KNOW I DON'T LIKE SEEING LAST-MINUTE CHANGES AND WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS DISCUSSED AND WORKED OUT.

WHAT ARE THE BOARD'S OPTIONS IF WE -- IS THERE AN OPTION TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE PZA TO EVALUATE SOME CHANGES? IS THERE AN OPTION TO DEFER THIS? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS WORKED OUT. WE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THAT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN

WHAT WE THOUGHT. WHAT ARE THE BOARD'S OPTIONS. >> BRIEFLY BUT GLOBALLY, YOU CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS PRESENTED AND I MEAN THE ITEM NO. 1 AND ITEM NO. 2.

YOU CAN APPROVE NO. 1 WHICH IS THE COMP PLAN BUT DENY THE MAJOR MOD.

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THE BOARD COULD BASICALLY PAUSE THIS HEARING AND -- OR I SHOULD SATAN THIS HEARING BOTH ON NO. 1 AND NO. 2 AND REINITIATE IT AT EITHER A DAYTIME CERTAIN OR DAYTIME UNCERTAIN.

IF IT'S CONCERN THE ADVERTISING HOLDS. UPON CERTAIN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RENOTICED. I WOULD NOTE THE BOARD HAS HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH NO. 1 AND 2, KIND OF SATISFIES STATUTORY AND THE DUE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, ASPECTS OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

TE BOARD CAN CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN BUT IT HAS HELD PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH ITEMS 1 AND 2. MR. CHAIR, I THINK THOSE ARE THE APPROPRIATE OPTIONS FOR THE

BOARD. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST SPEAKING TO BOARD MEMBERS AGAIN THIS IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO SPEAK AND ADDRESS, I THINK THERE'S UPPER PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ARE AT ISSUE. OBVIOUSLY THE DEVELOPER HAS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BUT ALSO I'VE BEEN HEARD, WE ALL HAVE, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW SOME OF THIS WAS PRESENTED.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE DEVELOPER'S FAULT. I THINK THAT PROVIDENCE AND DAVID WEEKLY BASED ON WHAT I HEARD AND READ AND GONE OVER MISREPRESENTED THIS AND I THINK THAT EITHER MR. DAY WOULD NOT FAULT SOME OF THESE OWNERS FOR BEING FRUSTRATED UNDERSTANDABLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY. I THINK THERE'S SOME MITIGATION IN PLACE.

NO EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY WITH HOW IT PLAYS OUT BUT I DON'T LIKE VOTING ON THIS WHEN WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER AND THINGS THAT CAN BE VETTED. SO MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE TO EITHER SEND IT BACK TO THE PZA WITH DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, OR DEFER THIS TO GIVE THE DEVELOPER AND OUR STAFF AS WELL AS PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF THIS.

SOME OF THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION MATTERS, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF THAT COULD BE HANDLED DIRECTLY BY THE DEVELOPER BUT UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE.

ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS, BOARD? OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK WHAT YOU SUGGESTED IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON RAISED A GREAT POINT IN TERMS OF GOING INTO DETAIL FOR WHAT THE RECREATION AREA WOULD MEAN AND HAVING THAT QUESTION ANSWERED BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION I THINK COULD BE HELPFUL, LOOKING AT WHAT THEY COULD DO BY STATE STATUTE AND COMING BACK WITH A PROPOSED LIST OF SUGGESTIONS TO TAKE CARE OF SOME SPEED AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS ON THAT ROAD COULD ALSO BE HELPFUL. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE SEND IT TO BZA WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND

BRING IT BACK. >> WE'LL COME BACK FOR A FORMAL MOTION.

IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK, COMMISSIONERS DEAN AND SMITH? >> I WOULD CONCUR WITH SENDING IT BACK BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT I WILL STILL BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE ANY DECISION WHEN IT COMES BACK AND LET ME JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, MY LARGEST CONCERN, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS, AND THEY MAY NOT ALL BE HERE, WHO APPARENTLY, AS I SAW THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED ON THE OVERHEAD, WERE PRESENTED WITH A DIFFERENT MASTER PLAN THAN WHAT WAS ON ANOTHER MASTER PLAN MAP SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL 31 LOTS. THEY WERE GIVEN SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHICH DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 31 LOTS. THAT WAS A CUL-DE-SAC AND NOT A ROAD. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I ONLY HEARD THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY SO THAT WEIGHS HEAVILY ON MY DECISION. WHAT COMES BACK TO US MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE MUSTER FOR ME BUT I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR WHAT MY HEARTBURN WAS. I WANT TO REITERATE TOO. MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE'S REPRESENTATIONS THAT BUYERS

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>> I'LL MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS BACK TO PZA AND GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION ON MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE RECREATION AREA AND FOR SOLUTIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC AND THE SPEEDING THAT OCCURS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SO THIS CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS IT EXISTS.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WOULD YOUR MOTION INCLUDE AUTHORIZING STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE CONCERNS ARTICULATED BY THE BOARD HAS PART OF THE DIRECTION BACK TO THE PZA?

>> YES, SIR. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND SECOND.

IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> POTENTIAL CONDITIONS IN REGARDS TO TRAFFIC, CALMING, SPEED LIMIT, THE TOT LOT, AND WITH REGARD TO WHAT CAN BE DONE TO REMEDY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT? >> YES, SIR. >> IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION?

PLEASE VOTE. [VOTE] >> PASSES 5-0.

>> THAT WILL BE FOR AGENDA ITEMS NO. 1 AND 2. IS THAT CORRECT?

[3. NZVAR2020-07 10 San Juan Circle Second Driveway.]

>> YES. RIGHT. AS I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION IT

WAS TO SEND BOTH OF THOSE BACK. >> THAT WAS MY INTENT, YES. >> THANK YOU.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE. >> PAUL WALDRON?

>> NO. >> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

PLEASE. >> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

I HAM APPLYING FOR A SECOND DRIVEWAY ACCESS FOR [INAUDIBLE] CIRCLE.

THE REASON WHY I'M HERE IS MY -- I'M THE BUILDER AND REPRESENTING THE HOMEOWNER AND THE ARCHITECT DESIGNED IT BEFORE I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE HOMEOWNER, DESIGNED THE WHOLE HOUSE, AND THEY PUT ONE GARAGE ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE OTHER GARAGE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AS THEY GAVE ME THE PLANS, WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THE ARCHITECT THOUGHT BECAUSE THE LOT IS 125 FEET WIDE, SO IN THIS AREA THERE'S SO MANY AREAS 100-FOOT WIDE FOR TWO ACCESS POINTS BUT THE REASON WHY THIS ONE DOESN'T BECAUSE THERE'S NO CURB.

THE REASON WHY I THINK THIS HOUSE IS OFFICER FOR TWO DRIVEWAY ACCESS IS I HAVE THE MAP OF THE HOUSE. THE HOUSE IS SITTING ACROSS FROM NO OTHER HOUSES AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT A GOLF COURSE ACROSS THE STREET SO IF THEY HAD ANOTHER DRIVEWAY BACKING IN OR BACKING OUT IT WOULDN'T BEEN HITTING ANOTHER CAR FROM ANOTHER HOUSE BACKING OUT.

AND ALSO I HAVE THE NEIGHBORS' SIGNATURES, THE ONE TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT, THAT APPROVE THE NEW SITE PLAN FOR THEIR HOUSE SO THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CIRCLE HERE, WHICH IS ONLY SIX HOUSES ON THIS ROAD, SO IT'S A CIRCLE THAT GOES AARON THE MAIN ACCESS OF A ROAD WHICH WOULD BE NO TRAFFIC AT ALL, I DON'T BELIEVE. SO I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT SITUATION FOR IDEALLY IF ANOTHER DRIVEWAY. I CAN SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN OF THE HOUSE THEY DESIGNED AND A SITE PLAN WITH HOW I HAVE IT APPROVED, IF YOU WANT TO SEE

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THEY HAVE TWO KIDS AND THEY PLAY SOCCER TOGETHER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS FROM Y'ALL OR QUESTIONS THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM WITH THIS, IF THERE IS.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN

IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3.

I SEE NO CALL-INS. IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO COMMENT ON ITEM 3? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSES. BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT.

I'LL BE GLAD TO MICK A MOTION IN YOU WISH. >> THANK YOU.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE NZVAR2020-07. [READING].

[4. First reading of updates to LAMP Ordinance.]

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

[VOTE] >> PASSES 5-0. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NO. 4, FIRST READING OF UPDATES TO THE LAMP ORDINANCE

. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, REBECCA LAVIE, SENIOR ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY, READING OF THE UPDATES TO THE LAMP ORDINANCE . ANALLY AS PRESENTED TO YOU, THE ORDINANCE WOULD REMOVE THE OPTION FOR PARTICIPATION BY THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE PROGRAM AS WELL AS REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT TO ESTABLISH FORMAL NEGOTIATION TEAMS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTIES. SUBSEQUENT TO SUBMISSION OF THE ITEM, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENT FOR THE LAMP.

UNDER THE LAW AS IT STOOD WHEN THE LAMP WAS INITIALLY ESTABLISHED THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR BOARDS DEALING WITH NATURAL RESOURCES TO MAKE FINANCIALDY CLOSURES.

AT THAT TIME THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAD MADE A FINDING THAT THIS BOARD WAS A BOARD

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SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE STATUTE HAS BEEN AMENDED WHERE THE LAMP, WOULD NOT, AS A MATTER OF STATE LAW, AUTOMATICALLY BE SUBJECT TO FINANCIALDY CLOSURE REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, I DID WISH TO BRING IT BACK FOR THE BOARD'S DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER IT WISHED FOR THIS BOARD TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES.

THE SECOND PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WAS DISCUSSED WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR A SUPER MAJORITY OR A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IN ORDER TO AFFAIR PROPERTIES PROPOSED UNDER THE LAMP. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE ESTATE ACQUISITION COMMITTEE HAS WHEN IT IS ASSEMBLING ITS LIST OF PROPERTIES TO BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERS APPROVE THE LIST OF RECOMMENDED PROPERTIES HAS ITS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

AS FAR AS I'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND THERE'S NOT A CORRESPONDING& RETIREMENT THAT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THEN ALSO APPROVE THE LIST BY A SUPERVISOR MAJORITY OR UNANIMOUS VOTE.

HOWEVER, AS THE ORDINANCE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN FIVE OUT OF THE NINE -- IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE OF -- A SUPER MAJORITY COAT OF THE ENTIRE LAMP CONSERVATION BOARD TO RECOMMEND PROPERTIES TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT AT THIS TIME IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE BOARD TO LIKEWISE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IN ORDER TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY. THE THIRD FEEDBACK I RECEIVED WAS THAT THERE BE A REQUIREMENT ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT ANY PROPERTY ACQUIRED UNDER THIS PROGRAM BE A VOLUNTARY OPPOSITION AS OPPOSED TO THE COUNTY EXERCISING ANY SORT OF EMINENT DOMAIN POWER TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY. NO ACTION IS REQUIRED BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME. I'M SIMPLY ASKING SOME DIRECTION AS TO THE ITEMS MENTIONED AND THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK AT A LATER DATE FOR A SECOND READING AT WHICH TIME THE

BOARD WOULD VOTE UPON IT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

TWO OF THOSE WERE MY RECOMMENDATIONS BUT I HAD A CONDITION ON ONE OF THEM SO I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT I WAS THINKING THROUGH THIS. AND COMMISSIONER DEAN, IT'S VERY SIMILAR. THE LAMP'S ORIGINAL COMPOSITION IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO FLORIDA FOREVERS, AND IMITATES IT WELL. LET ME DEAL WITH THE FIRST ONE HERE.

THE INTERESTING THING TO ME WAS THAT IN IT IT DOESN'T TAKE A SUPER MAJORITY OR UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ACQUIRE BUT IT TOOK A SUPER MAJORITY TO REMOVE A PROPERTY FROM THE LIST.

THAT WAS INTERESTING. THE ARC AT FLORIDA FOREVER, WHICH IS OUR LAMP BOARD HERE HAS TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY [INAUDIBLE] AFTER I ASKED REBECCA TO REVIEW IT MORE CLOSELY IT DOES NOT REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY OR UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS FINE WITH ME IF THE BOARD DOESN'T AGREE TO THAT. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD SEEN OBSERVED AND THOUGHT WAS WORTHY OF NOTE. THE LAST ONE HERE, AND THIS IS ONE THING I DEFINITELY SECURED READING A LOT ON FLORIDA FOREVER AS WELL IS THAT THERE WAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. THIS IS WHAT I WROTE DOWN, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE INSERTED, IF IT IS LEGALLY SOUND, LAMP IS A WILLING SELLER PROGRAM AND

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BUT AFTER REVIEWING IT IT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE MODIFIED.

GO BACK TO THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENT I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE TO HAVE ANY REVELATION OF CONFLICT THAT THERE MIGHT BE.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. SOMEBODY MAY BE ABLE TO TALK ME OUT OF THAT BUT THAT'S MY CONCLUSION ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>. THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO-COMMISSIONER PAUL

WALDRON. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS. IN SECTION 7, NO. 7, I I THINK THE LAMP SHOULD FOLLOW THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY PROCEDURES IN HOW THEY RUN THE MEETING INSTEAD OF SETTING UP THEIR OWN PROCEDURES. I DO THINK, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH, THEY SHOULD FILL OUT A FINANCIAL FORM. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A FORM 6. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT THAT. [INAUDIBLE] THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION.

THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE AND AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH ON VOLUNTARY ACQUISITIONS. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE STATE LEVEL SINCE 1963 AND YOU GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE STATE CONSERVATION LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S WITH THE ORIGINAL [INAUDIBLE] FUND OR THE CARL PROGRAM, [INAUDIBLE] THE LEGISLATURE WAS VERY CLEAR AND VERY SPECIFIC AND ALWAYS SPOKE TO THIS, AND EACH OF THOSE LAWS.

THEY SAID THIS WILL BE AN EXCLUSIVE VOLUNTARY ACQUISITION PROGRAM, NO IMMINENT DOMAIN FOR CONSERVATION LANDS SO I WOULD CERTAINLY THINK WE WOULD FOLLOW THAT AS A COUNTY.

I'M CERTAINLY NOT INTERESTED IN CONDEMNING ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES FOR THIS COUNTY. I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION ON FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE ALSO.

I'LL HAVE TO SAY I HAVE -- I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF MAJORITY VOTE ON ALMOST EVERY ACTION AND FOR THE SIMPLE REASON I JUST HAVE A WEIRDLY WIRED BRAIN BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY [INAUDIBLE] I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE ON ANYTHING.

HAVING SAID THAT, THE TRUSTEE STILL REQUIRES A SUPER MAJORITY TO DISCLOSE OF LANDS, GO TO SURPLUS LANDS. IT ONLY TAKES A [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] I THOUGHT EVEN THOUGH I WAS THEIR ATTORNEY FOR FIVE YEARS I THOUGHT THAT IT SHOULD JUST BE A

SIMPLE MAJORITY BUT I NEVER TOLD THEM THAT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO CLARIFY WITH MS. LAVIE.

THE PRESCRIPTION, REMOVAL OF OPTION FROM MUNICIPALITY ARTIS PAYS, THAT JUST MEANS THERE'S NOT A DESIGNATED SEAT OR SEATS ON THE LAMP BOARD. NOTHING PREVENTS A MUNICIPALITY FROM MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE LAND BOARD PERTAINING TO ANY PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND ALSO NOTHING PREVENTS ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER OR THE BOARD FROM APPOINTING SOMEBODY FROM A MUNICIPALITY TO BE ON THE BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> I MET TO ASK ABOUT THAT TOO. MY ISSUE IS I CERTAINLY HOPED IT WOULD NOT PREVENT A MUNICIPALITY FROM FINANCIALLY PARTICIPATING IN A COUNTY ACQUISITION.

SORT OF REVERSE THE PLAYERS. FISH ISLAND WAS SORT OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE THE CITY WAS PURCHASING, RECOMMENDING THE STATE PURCHASE FISH ISLAND BUT THERE MAY BE A CONSERVATION PIECE THAT IS SORT OF A JOINT INTEREST TO THE CITY AND COUNTY THAT WE COULD PARTICIPATE IN JOINTLY. I WOULDN'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THEIR FUNDING, TELLING THEM TO

GO AWAY. >> THERE WOULD BE NOTHING THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> LET ME BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE

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IT'S CRITICAL. IT'S NOT IMMINENT DOMAIN. WE HAVE LAWS IN FLORIDA WHERE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN ACQUIRE PRIVATE PROPERY RIGHTS INVOLUNTARY.

THIS IS NOT THAT. THIS IS FOR CONSERVATION LAND THAT YOU HAVE A [INAUDIBLE] SO THAT'S FIRE -- A WILLING BUYER. IT'S IMPORTANT TO CAPSULE LATE THAT.

THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD SPECIFICALLY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE BROADENED THIS SOMEWHAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES HERE IT'S A BROAD CATEGORY.

WE WANT TO DRAW FROM A BROAD SECTOR OF OUR POPULATION. WE WANT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES AND RESUMES AND WORKING EXPERIENCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

I THINK WE ACCOMPLISH THAT. I THINK THESE ARE VERY BROAD CATEGORIES.

SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. I THINK THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION TODAY.

WHAT WAS THAT? >> WOULD YOU AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IS IMPORTANT US BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLEAR PATHWAY.

I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT. TODAY WE HAVE DIFFERENT BOARDS WITH DIFFERENT POLICIES AND RULES SO SOMETIMES WHEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS COME TO US, THEY RAISE QUESTIONS.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT INCORPORATED AS WELL, FOLLOWING

THE SAME RULES AND PROCEDURES AS COUNTY COMMISSION. >> JUST SO I CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT POINT, ALL OF OUR APPOINTED BOARDS DO FALL UNDER BOARD RULES AND POLICIES BUT THEY TYPICALLY ALSO ADOPT BYLAWS OF THEIR OWN TO ADDRESS THINGS LIKE ELECTING CHAIRS AND CERTAIN PROCEDURES THAT MAY BE SPECIFIC TO THAT PARTICULAR BOARD.

IS IT YOUR INTENT THAT THE LAMP COMMITTEE WOULD NOT ADOPT THEIR OWN BYLAWS AND SIMPLY BE UNDER

THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES. >> THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE BUT I WANT TO LOOK TO THE BOARD.

I THINK WE HAVE GREAT PROCEDURES AND POLICIES. I THINK THE OTHER ASPECT OF THAT IS THAT [INAUDIBLE] CREATE ADDITIONAL BYLAWS. AGAIN, IF ANY DISAGREES, PLEASE.

>> ARE WE GOING TO VOTE ON THE SUPER MAJORITY TODAY OR WORK ON THINKING IT OVER AND DO IT NEXT

WEEK? >> LISTEN, HONESTLY I WAS THE ONE WHO PROPOSED THAT.

I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IT ON THE LIST BECAUSE I ASKED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON IT TO MAKE SURE I WOULD CONFER WITH THAT. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE CONSERVATION PROCESS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A UNANIMOUS DECISION AND IT WASN'T SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE CASE. I THOUGHT IT WILL WAS A GOOD MODEL AND -- IF THAT'S WHERE THESE IDEAS CAME FROM THE -- I HAVE NOT HELD TO A SUPER MAJORITY.

A MAJORITY, IT'S FINE. YOU HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY IN HERE [INAUDIBLE] I THINK THAT'S FINE AND I'LL YIELD TO THAT. THAT'S WHY IN DEALING WITH IT, READING IT, I KNOW THERE WAS SUPER MAJORITY FOUND TWICE. ONCE WAS ON GETTING RID OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY OFF THE LIST AND THE OTHER WAS THE ARC COMMITTEE AND RECOMMENDING TO THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> WE ARE NOT TAKING ACTION

TODAY BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE ON --

WHERE ARE WE? >> ITEM 4. >> ITEM 4.

>> ITEM 4. >> GOOD MORNING. >> WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING.

[INAUDIBLE] FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU TO COUNTY STAFF FOR ALL OF THE TIME AND ENERGY AND WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO PREPARING THIS ORDINANCE AND THANK YOU TO THIS COMMISSIONER FOR CONSIDERING IT AND HELPING THIS PROGRAM MOVE FORWARD. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR

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IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAMP PROGRAMS TO DATE, ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE RESOURCED BASE RECREATION PROPERTIES, HIKING, BIRD WATCHING, PHOTOGRAPHY, PROJECTS OF THAT NATURE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OBJECTS I WAS, IT THINGS LIKE RESERVING [INAUDIBLE] PROTECTING WATER RESOURCES, ALL OF THOSE GOALS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH RESOURCE BASED RECREATIONS, NOT ACTIVITY BASED REG RACIALTION. THOSE ARE THINGS LIKE SPORTS FIELDS, BALL FIELDS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE MORE INTENSIVE, REQUIRES MAINTENANCE AND ALTERING HYDRALOGY.

I WANT [INAUDIBLE] THE DEFINITION FOR LISTS SPECIES REFERENCES ONLY THE FEDERAL ENDANGERED SPECIES. AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC POLICY TERM LIMITS ARE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT A BOARD DOESN'T STAG NATE OVER TIME. YOU ARE GETTING NEW ENERGY AND IDEAS INTO THE BOARD. I PERSONALLY WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING THAT BACK INTO THIS ORDINANCE . A RELATIVELY MINOR NOTE, IN SEVERAL PLACES THE ORDINANCE REFERENCES THE FLORIDA GAME AND. THAT ENTITY HASN'T EXISTED FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS SO I WOULD RECOMMEND UPDATING THAT WITH THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION COMMISSION.

WITH REGARD TO THE NEW PROPOSED CHANGES NOT IN THE AGENDA, I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO ADOPT A SUPER MAJORITY TO ACQUIRE CONSERVATION LAND. I THINK THAT AMENDMENT YOU SAW THIS MORNING HAS A BIGGER IMPACT ON PEOPLE'S LIFE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO THIS PROJECT MOVING FORWARD AND SUPPORT COMMISSIONER SMITH'S RECOMMENDATION.

REALLY EXCITED TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> .

>> NICOLE CROSBY. WE'RE ALL EXCITED TO SEE THE LAMP ORDINANCE TAKE EFFECT.

THANK YOU FOR VOTING TO REINSTATE IT. I WANT TO ECHO ONE SPECIFIC POINT THAT SHE BROUGHT UP. THAT LINE IN THE DRAFT THAT SAID PROVIDE LANDS FOR SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE PUBLIC OUTDOOR RECREATION CONSISTENT WITH THE PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THEN OUTDOOR RECREATION IS DEFINED IN THE GLOSSARY AS RESOURCE BASE OR ACTIVITY BASED AND ACTIVITY BASED IS DEFINED AS BASEBALL FIELDS, ET CETERA, SO THE SPIRIT AND PURPOSE OF LAMP ARE STATED CLEARLY WITH THE WORDS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES.

SINCE FLAT RECTANGLES ARE TURF ONE HAVE YARDS LONG AND 50 YARDS WIDE DON'T TEND TO OCCUR IN NATURE NOR DO BASEBALL DIAMONDS, AND MORE, IT WOULD [INAUDIBLE] NATURAL RESOURCES WOULD NOT BE PROTECTED IF BULLDOZERS ROLLED IN AND TREES WERE CUT AND LAND BACKFILLED.

IF THERE WERE AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR [INAUDIBLE] INCLUDE COACHES AND ATHLETIC FIELD ENGINEERS, NOT ECOLOGISTS AND ARCHEOLOGISTS. SO I REQUEST A MINOR TWO-WORD REVISION WHICH JEN MENTIONED, REPLACING OUTDOOR RECREATION WITH RESOURCE BASED RECREATION IN THAT ONE LINE. I'LL PUT THIS INTO THE RECORD. IT'S A LIST OF A BUNCH OF THEM.

AGAIN, USING LANGUAGE LIKE NATURE BASED RECREATION, RESOURCE BASED PASSIVE RECREATION. THE GOAL IS TO GET EXERCISE WHILE INTERACTING WITH NATURE, NOT DISTURB. WHEN YOU HEARD FROM YOUR CONSTITUENTS SUPPORTING LAMP, THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROGRAM WAS REALLY BASED ON THAT PAGE IN THE COUNTY WEBSITE WITH THE OLD

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IT DEFINED LAND TO BE ACQUIRED AS ENHANCING AND PROMOTING NATURAL COMMUNITIES, GREEN CORRIDORS, WATER RESOURCES, ET CETERA, RARE AND ENDANGERED AND THREATENED COMMUNITIES BUT I BELIEVE YOUR CONSTITUENTS MET OUTDOOR TO MEAN KAYAKING AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.

I KNOW SOME SAID, WE'LL GET BALL FIELDS NOW, AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY AREN'T IMPORTANT, AND THEY ARE, BUT THEY DON'T GO HAND IN HAND WITH MATCH RESOURCES. I HOPE YOU AGREE THAT LAMP IS NOT THE WAY TO EXPAND RECREATION. WE COULD CLEAR UP AMBIGUITY OR CONFUSION THAT MAY ARISE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> .

>> JOSSES MOSS. THESE WORDS ARE COMPLIMENTED BY THE HISTORICAL FACT THAT LOCAL AND STATEWIDE AND NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS AND POLITICAL LEADERS HAVE SET ASIDE OUT-POSTS FOR FREE OR LOW-COST USE BY AMERICAN CITIZENS GOING BACK TO THE COMMONWEALTH OF PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE AND THE SEA SHORE, IT COULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR PRIVATE USE AND COULD BE USED BY ALL. I THANK THE BOARD OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE FORKING THE WISDOM OF THESE PRACTICES BY REINSTATING AND REFUNDING THE LAND ACQUISITION MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AFTER A DECADE-LONG SUSPENSION DUE TO BUDGETARY RESTRAINTS.

OUR COUNTY WILL BE MORE ATTRACTIVE PLACE AND THE CITIZENS HEALTHIER AS A RESULT OF THIS DECISION. THE PRESERVATION OF ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LAND FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND PASSIVE RECREATIONAL PURPOSES HAS NEVER BEEN NEEDED MORE THAN DURING THIS TIME OF PANDEMIC AND SOCIAL STRIFE. WE NEED NOT LOOK FURTHER THAN THE FUNDING PLANS FOR FLORIDA'S COUNTIES TO SEE HOW THIS NEED IS BEING ACHIEVED BY THEIR LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAMS. LOOKING OVER THE PLANS OF 16 COUNTIES UP TO MONROE COUNTY WE CAN SEE THE PROGRAMS EMPHASIZE PASSIVE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. THE FOLLOWING WORDS AND PHRASES ARE TAKEN FROM THESE FUNDING PLANS. ENHANCE RESOURCE BASED RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, PASCO COUNTY, AND PURCHASE NEARLY 3,300 ACRES OF LAND FOR WATER RESOURCE PROTECTION, WILDLIFE GREEN SPACE AND RESOURCE BASED PASSIVE RECREATION, OSCEOLA COUNTY, PROVIDE QUALITY OUTDOOR PASSIVE EXPERIENCES FOR EXISTING AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. ORANGE COUNTY, PRESERVING ENVIRONMENTALLY SENTIVE LANDS FOR PASSIVE RESOURCE BASED RECREATION ACTIVITIES SUCH AS HIKING AND BIDING AND CANOEING AND I COULD YAKKING, PHOTOGRAPHY, PICNICKING AND PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTICIPANTS AND NOT ENCROACH ON THE PROTECTED ACREAGE. I URGE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND LAMP COMMISSIONERS TO FOLLOW EXAMPLES OF OTHER COUNTIES TO ENSURE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY, LOVE AND STAY CLOSE TO NATURE. SUCH PLANS WILL NEVER FAIL US. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE TIME

TO EXPRESS MY OPINIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. PJHALAITTI.

I AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN AND I WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE PLAINLY AGAIN.

UNDER SECTION 5 U, OUTDOOR RECREATION DEFINITION, WE NEED TO REMOVE THE WORDS, "ACTIVITY-BASED RECREATION" SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFUSION THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE BASEBALL FIELDS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT OR TENNIS COURTS OR WHATEVER.

THIS NEEDS TO BE NATURE-DRIVEN AND THE RECREATION SHOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THIS LAMP PROGRAM COMING BACK TO THIS COUNTY. IT SHOULD BE PROTECTING NATURE AND EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT NATURE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE WHICH IS SLOWLY BEING DESTROYED. SO THESE WORDING WHERE IT SAYS, "ACTIVITY BASED RECREATION" WERE THROUGHOUT HERE AND IT NEEDS TO BE CLEARLY TAKEN OUT AND IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYONE THAT THIS IS NATURE, NOT SPORTS FIELDS.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS IN THE

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NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THREE MINUTES. >> [INAUDIBLE] LONG, 1821

[INAUDIBLE] MENENDEZ PARK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I'M CALLING TO THANK YOU FOR THIS SUPPORT OF THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY SO THAT AS [INAUDIBLE] AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM LAMP. REACTIVATED AND [INAUDIBLE] THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSERVING LANDS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS IS VITAL TO THE COUNTY AND THE STATE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL HERITAGE.

THE CONSERVING OF LANDS WILL ENSURE [INAUDIBLE] ZONED RECREATIONAL AND [INAUDIBLE].

AFTERNOON THE DIFFICULT YEAR THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED, I BELIEVE THAT MOST OF US IF NOT ALL OF US CAN LOOK TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT WHO SUPPORTED US AND ALLOWED US TO WALK THROUGH NATURE AND ENJOY WHAT'S OUT THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE PANDEMIC.

THE NEED TO PRESERVE AND CONSERVE LAND THAT IS UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE AND CONTAINING NATIVE AND RELATIVELY UNALTERED FLORA AND FAUNA. AND [INAUDIBLE] NO NEED TO GO ON LONGER WITH ALL MY POINTS. IN IS A VERY EXCITING TIME TO SEE THE LIGHTING OF THE LAMP PROGRAM, A PROGRAM THAT IS SO VITALLY IMPORTANT, SERVING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND LEAVE A LEGACY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS SO THEY CAN ENJOY ST. JOHNS AND THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU'VE GIVEN ME TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. WE'LL GO BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

>> YES. >> I HAVE A COMMENT. >> PLEASE.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT REGARDING THE TESTIMONY ABOUT RESOURCE-BASED ACTIVITY.

ULTIMATELY IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION BY MAJORITY VOTE, NOT SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, TO SET THE POLICY OF HOW THESE FUNDS ARE USED. I JUST WANT TO PLANT A SEED HERE TODAY TO SAY THAT MAYBE BASED ON MY SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STATE PROGRAM BUT ALL THOSE LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAMS I MENTIONED WERE DRIVEN BY RESOURCE PROTECTION, BE IT THEY CONSERVATION LANDS, WELCOME PROTECTION, WILDLIFE, ET CETERA, AND SO I WOULD HOPE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE AS A BOARD AND IT'S OUR DECISION CHOOSE TO MAKE THE LAMP PROGRAM PRETTY MUCH FOR RESOURCE-BASED ACTIVITIES, NOT ACTIVITY-BASED, BUT, AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S OUR OPTION BUT TOO ME THE LAMP PROGRAM IS SORT OF A MINI FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM FOR CONSERVATION PURPOSES AND I WANTED TO ECHO THE THOUGHTS OF SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO GAVE

TESTIMONY TODAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> I DON'T HAVE NEARLY THE BACKGROUND THAT COMMISSIONER DEAN DOES BUT IT STANDS TO REASON THAT WE WANT THIS TO ACCURATELY REFLECT THE INTENT OF OUR JANUARY VOTE. I THINK CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM ACTIVITY-BASED TO RESOURCE-BASED JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME IN THE SYMPTOM AWAY THAT THE VOLUNTARY ACQUISITION MAKES A PLOT OF SENSE BECAUSE IT ACCURATELY REFLECTS OUR INTENT AS A BOARD WITH THE LAND PROGRAM. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. IF THERE'S AN ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST THAT RELATES TO FLORIDA WILDLIFE I THINK THAT'S -- WE LIVE IN FLORIDA.

AGAIN, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME EVEN IF IT SEEMS NUANCE, SEMANTICS, BUT I THINK IT COULD

MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT YOUR INTENTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON?

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN, I WOULD HATE TO TAKE IT OUT AND NOT HAVE AN OPTION IF WE DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY A BIG TRACT OF LAND.

[INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS A 20-ACRE PARK, WOULD IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO THE RESOURCE SAVINGS? THAT'S THE ONLY THING. WHEN WE BUY IT WE MAKE THAT DECISION BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT OPTION OUT THERE, AND [INAUDIBLE] IN CASE WE COULD BUY, IF WE WERE ABLE TO BUY 1,000 ACRES SOMEWHERE, WOULD WE BE HE ABLE TO HAVE OTHER USES

FOR ONE SECTION OR NOT. >> LET ME SAY, IF I MAY, IN REGARD TO THAT.

>> YES, SIR. >> MAKE WE COULD COME UP WITH LANGUAGE SUCH AS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OR THE MAIN PURPOSE BECAUSE I DO RECOGNIZE THAT FRANKLY ALWAYS, AS A DECISION MAKER, BOXING MYSELF IN, YOU KNOW, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND CLEARLY IN MY MIND PERSONALLY

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EMPHASIZES THE NEED. >> I WOULD BE FINE FOR THAT -- -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> I THINK THERE'S OTHER REVENUE AVENUES FOR ACTIVITY BASED SUCH AS PARK IMPACT FEES.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE DEVELOPERS HAVE DONATED PARKLAND AS PART OF THEIR

PROPOSAL AND SO I WAS TRYING TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT. >> THAT'S FINE WITH THE VERBIAGE. I DON'T WANT TO BOX OURSELVES IN WITH SOMETHING WE CAN'T GET OUT

OF. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> LET ME HIT ON THIS.

I THINK TERM LIMITS, THAT WILL WAS A GREAT COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT.

I DON'T THINK POLITICIANS SHOULD OR PEOPLE ON BOARD SHOULD GO ON FOREVER SO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO

INJECT NEW BLOOD AND EXPERTISE. >> CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, BUT THE BOARD'S ROOMS AND POLICIES FOR APPOINTED BOARDS HAVE ESSENTIALLY TERM LIMITS IN THERE.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE BOARD CAN CHANGE THAT BY RESOLUTION. THAT'S NOT TO SAY BY ORDINANCE HERE 3-2 SPECIFICALLY THE BOARD COULD INCLUDE THAT. I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF

THAT. >> THERE'S LANGUAGE IN HERE ABOUT THE TERMS AND ALL THAT BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD ISSUES WITH, YOU SEE PEOPLE GET THE BOARD. THAT DOESN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW, THE GOALS. I'M OPEN TO KIND OF SEEING THAT. IT'S LIMITED TO A FOUR-YEAR TERM. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS MAYBE A PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T COMING BACK ON, NOT GETTING OFF, AND GETTING REAPPOINTED A YEAR LATER, YOU KNOW, GIVE SPACE THERE. LET ME JUST HIT ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ABOUT THE LIST FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES.

AS FAR AS THE RESOURCE BASED, I AGREE WITH THAT BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITIONS, IT TALKS ABOUT ACTIVITY BASED, AND THEN SPORTS LIKE TENNIS, GOLF, SOFTBALL, BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL, PLAYGROUND ACTIVITIES, AND, YOU KNOW, IT TALKS ABOUT TENNIS AND SWIMMING POOLS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LANGUAGE MAYBE ADDRESSED -- WE DON'T WANT TO PREVENT SOMEONE FROM HIKING. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO HIKE OR BIRD-WATCHING, THAT GOES MORE TO THE RESOURCE BUT I DON'T KNOWING THE INTENT OF THIS IS FOR US TO BUILD SWIMMING POOLS AND BASEBALL FIELDS. WE HAVE DIFFERENT AVENUES TO ADDRESS THAT. MAYBE THERE'S A BROADER WAY FOR THIS.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE LAND AND ENJOY THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND TAKE THEIR KIDS OUT THERE BUT MAYBE MOVE AWAY FROM TENNIS COURTS AND BASKETBALL COURTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SEWS ARE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SECTION 7 B 6, IS THAT NOT ADEQUATE FOR TERM LIMITS OR TERM LIMITATION OF SERVICE HERE? EACH MEMBER'S TERM SHALL BE FOUR YEARS, HOWEVER FOUR SHALL BE APPOINTED FOR TWO YEARS IN ORDER TO CREATE STAGGERED TERMS. I SAW THAT. DO YOU WANT SOMETHING ADDITIONAL

TO THAT? >> YEAH, I DO. LIKE I EXPLAINED I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT -- I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO JUMP OFF AND JUMP BACK ON. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE PEOPLE HOMESTEAD. MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE SOMEONE COULD GET OFF THE BOARD AND COME BACK, AND THEN GET ON YEARS LATER. WHAT I WANT TO SEE IS MORE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY GET INVOLVED IN THIS, NOT JUST THE SAME GROUP.

WE'VE HAD THAT. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF BOARDS WHERE IT'S THE SAME GROOM THAT GETS OFF AND THEN GETS BACK ON. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT IN AND OF ITSELF BUT I WOULDS LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO MORE PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.

>> THIS IS MY REPUTATION TO THAT, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, BUT THAT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION.

EACH BOARD MEMBER HAS THE ABILITY TO SELECT ONE. I THINK THAT IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION TO MAKE THAT PREROGATIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT POWER IN THE BOARD AND NOT TO LIMIT YOURSELF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER LIMITATIONS HERE AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT LIMITING THAT AND I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF BOLSTERING UP THAT ANY MORE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT ALONG THE WAY. AFTER FOUR YEARS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU CAN CHANGE, ESPECIALLY THAT ONE MEMBER YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT OF AND THEN THE OTHER FOUR THAT ARE LEFT, I MEAN, THAT CAN BE REMEDIED. TO ME IT WAS SUFFICIENT IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS THERE AND I

WOULD SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> COMMISSIONERS, ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT OUR BOARD

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AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE BOARD'S RULES AND POLICIES ARE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD CAN WAIVE AT ITS DISCRETION. HOWEVER, IF THE TERM LIMITS ARE BUILT INTO THE ORDINANCE MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE THAT THEY COULD NOT BE WAIVED, SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS WOULD YOU LIKE TO BOLSTER THE BOARD RULES AND POLICIES BY INCLUDING IT IN THE ORDINANCE OR DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BOARD'S RULES AND POLICIES IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOUR PURPOSES?

>> I THINK WE AGREED, AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT FOLLOWING THE BOARD'S POLICIES AND ROOMS SO I THINK WE CAN STAY WITH THAT AND GO FROM HERE.

IS THERE AGREEMENT ON THAT? AGAIN, MY POINT IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING AS MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED AS POSSIBLE. SURELY WITH OUR POPULATION GROWING WE CAN DRAW SOME GREAT EXPERIENCE AND NOT JUST THE SAME GROUP.

THANK YOU. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER PAUL WALDRON.

HE'S BEEN WAITING. >> ONE THING, AND THIS IS A SEGUE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT -- I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS AND IT KIND OF BOTHERED ME. I DON'T LIKE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A BOARD TO THE MEMBERS THEY WANT TO HAVE. BECAUSE THEN LIKE ANYTHING YOU, YOU GET IN THERE AND EVERYBODY'S THINKING THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU DO.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T THINK LIKE YOU DO.

THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD RUN INTO WITH THIS BOARD OVER TIME, AT THIS BOARD OR AN ELECTED BOARD, YOU KNOW, MOST OF US WON'T SEE THE FOUR YEARS, THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S WHAT THE BOARD WOULD BE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A COUNTY COMMISSIONER TO READ THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAY, "I DON'T LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS" AND IN TURNS AGGRAVATES THAT.

ANOTHER POINT I WANTED TO CLARIFY, WE TALK BAD SUPER MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE A SUPER MAJORITY TO GO IN DEBT FOR LAMP, NOT COMING OUT OF RECEIVERS BUT HAVING ANOTHER PILE OF MONEY. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT.

AND WE HAVE ALL WORKED TOGETHER TO LOWER OUR DEBT, TO GET OUT OF DEBT, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER HAVING A SUPER MAJORITY IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FINANCE SOMETHING TO BUY.

I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT. COULD BE UNANIMOUS.

WE'RE GOING TO FUND IT AND OVER TIME IT'S GOING TO GENERATE MONEY AND WE MAY HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME ON BOARD THAT WE CAN MATCH FUNDS BUT I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HUSBAND GOING

INTO DEBT TO BUY LANDS, YOU KNOW, WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS. >> I WOULD SAY UNANIMOUS PLUS

ONE. >> YEAH. IT'S NOT IN HERE AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADD IN HERE. WE CANNOT GO IN DEBT WITHOUT A

UNANIMOUS DECISION BY THE BOARD. >> I THINK THAT'S MAKES SENSE. IF WE ARE GOING TO RAISE TAXES WE HAVE TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME, TO HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY. IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY [INAUDIBLE] GO BEYOND THAT

FUNDING WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE. >> A SUPER MAJORITY, ESPECIALLY ANY DEBTS.

>> MR. WHITEHURST? >> HAS THERE BEEN OTHER. >> [INAUDIBLE] ONCE WE LEAVE HERE WE'RE STILL TAXPAYERS. AND I WOULDN'T WANT A BOARD TO PUT ME IN DEBT OVER SOMETHING

THAT DOWN THE ROAD I LOOKED AND SAID, BOY, I'VE MADE A MISTAKE. >> I COULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT

MORE. WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING ON DEBT. >> I AGREE.

I THINK THAT RAISES THE POINT AS WELL, THIS WILL BE INTERPRET TEN YEARS FROM NOW.

>> RIGHT. >> SO GOING BACK AND GETTING THE ORIGINAL INTENE] CAPTURING THE INTENT IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE TO TRUST WITH THE BOARD AT THAT TIME, AND WHETHER IT'S US OR SOMEONE ELSE, AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT, SO I WOULD

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THEY ARE. THEY ARE ELECTABLE AND THEY CAN BE UNELECTED TOO SO I JUST -- IF I -- A CERTAIN LANGUAGE NO DEBT. OPERATE WITHIN THE BUDGET OFF THIS BEEN ALIGNED WITH. I WOULDN'T GO WITH SU SUPERMAJORITY OR EVEN UNAN UNANIMOUS.

NO DEBT PERIOD AND LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS.

BY DON'T WANT TO BOX IN EVERYBODY IN THE FUTURE AS W WELL. LET ME TELL YOU THIS, IT SUBJECT TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.

TAKES A SIMPLE MAJORITY TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, WE NEED NOBODY THE PARAMETERS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND WE ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE VOTERS FOR THAT. I WOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY TO CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. SO TODAY, MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU OUGHT TO OPERATE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT IS PROVIDED AND I THINK THIS BOARD OUGHT TO AS WELL AND I WANT THAT TO GO ON THE RECORD. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO INSERT ANYMORE TO LET THAT DONE. I WILL VOTE AGAINST THEM IF

THEY PUT US IN DEBT FOR THIS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER, LET ME UNDERSTAND --

>> HENRY DEAN: I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID.

THAT IS PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE. IT TAKES A MAJORITY TO ELECT THE ORDINANCE. AND IT TAKES SOME TIME.

I AM FINE WITH THAT. LIKE I SAID IF WE KNOW THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT WE DON'T WANT DEBT.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE. I CAN'T -- IT IS FUNNY.

WE CAN'T REALLY GO BACK TO FIX THE PROBLEMS WE HAD IN THE PAST. WE REALLY CAN'T DICTATE THE FUTURE. WE CAN TRY TO SHAPE IT THE WAY WE WANT. LIKE YOU SAID, WATCHING THE TAPES -- I HAD TO WATCH SOME ON CDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE HAD TO.

I WATCHED MEETINGS ON CD THAT HAD TO BE PRODUCED.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: JUST TO CLARIFY.

MY THOUGHTS WHEN YOU BROUGHT THAT WERE MORE FUNDING OPTIONS AS AN EXAMPLE OF POTENTIALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE COUNCIL AT THE TIME BUT THE ABILITY TO BOND AND TAP INTO OTHER FUNDS.

BECAUSE WE HAVE FUNDING THAT WE ARE SETTING ASIDE FOR THE LAMP, BUT THERE ARE POTENTIALLY TO GO BEYOND THAT NOT SO MUCH TO LOOK INTO DEBT BUT LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING OPTIONS.

THAT'S HOW I TOOK YOUR -- >> HENRY DEAN: WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WHEN WE PURCHASE PROPERTIES.

TAKE IT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

THIS BOARD HAS BOUGHT RESOURCED PROPERTIES AND KEPT THEM THAT WAY FOR PARKS AND TRAILS AND HORSEBACK RIDING AND OTHER EVENTS. I THINK IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO WE BOUGHT A PIECE AT THE RIVER --

>> SEPTEMBER 26, 4,526,000 MROBINGZ BLOCKER ARE YOU

WITHDRAWING THE RECOMMENDATION? >> I WILL.

SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND BLOCK BLOCK TO GET CLARITY.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. ARE YOU GOOD? ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS? ANY FURTHER DIRECTION.

ARE WE CLEAR? >> THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: I DID WANT TO STATE I WASN'T THROWING CHRISTIAN UNDER THE BUS FOR ANYTHING.

[5. Consider appointments to the Recreation Advisory Board.]

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

>> HENRY DEAN: YES, MA'AM? >> MELISSA LUNDQUIST: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MELISSA LUNDQUIST, ASSIST TONIGHT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

ITEM NUMBER 5 TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE REBLING RATION ADVISORY BOARD. CURRENTLY THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD DUE TO EXPIRED TERMS. THESE HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED FOR FOUR-WEEK SPAN FROM OCTOBER 21, 2020 THROUGH NOVEMBER 20, 2020. ATTACHED FOR YOUR REVIEW AND IS A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD AND FIVE APPLICATIONS. I DO WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT MR. JOHN ON HIS ON THE ROSTER. A DISTRICT ONE REPRESENTATION, HOWEVER THAT IS WHEN HE WAS FIRST APPOINTED DURING HIS TERM. HIS ADDRESS CHANGED AND HE IS ACTUALLY LOCATED WITHIN DISTRICT 2.

SO HE IS CURRENTLY SERVING ON THAT BOARD AS A DISTRICT 2 RESIDENT. AND AT-LARGE.

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QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY QUESTION FROM THE BOARD? LET'S JUMP INTO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5. YEAH, ITEM 5.

RECREATION. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5? NO CALLS, NO ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> I AM READY TO MAKE A MOTION. IF EVERYBODY IS GOOD.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PLEASE COMMISSIONER WALDRIN.

>> PAUL WALDRON: MOTION TO REAPPOINT JILLIAN VILLEMAIRE FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED IT EXPIRE MARCH 15, 2025.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SEEING NO COMMENT FROM THE BOARD?

PASSES 5-0. >> HENRY DEAN: MOTION TO REAPPOINT JOHN BERT WATSON TO RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED IT EXPIRE MARCH 16, 2025.

[6. Consider appointments to the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee (AHAC).]

>> SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. WE WILL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM

6. >> MELISSA LUNDQUIST: COMMISSIONERS IF I CAN, MELISSA LUNDQUIST, ASSISTANT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. ITEM NUMBER 6 IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

CURRENTLY THREE VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD.

TWO ARE DUE TO EXPIRED TERMS. THE SECOND IS DUE TO A RESIGNATION. THESE AGENCIES WERE ADVERTISED FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN IN OCTOBER 2020.

THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE THREE VACANCIES ARE, ONE, REPRESENTING AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE PERSONNEL.

THE SECOND ONE IS REPRESENTING WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THIRD CITIZEN ENGAGED IN RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING.

IN YOUR PACKET IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND EIGHT APPLI APPLICATIONS TO CONSIDER AND THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM UNTIL THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?

SEEING NONE, GO AHEAD AND VOTE. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 6, AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I SEE NONE IN THE AUDIENCE.

I SEE NONE. PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> HENRY DEAN: A MOTION TO REAPPOINT STEVEN LADRIDO TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A ST. JOHN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERM TO EXPIRE MARCH 15, 2025.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> HENRY DEAN: MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT BRITTANY CORONADO TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS A ST.

JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT REPRESENTING ESSENTIAL SERVICE PERSONNEL FOR A FULL FOUR-YEAR TERM, SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE MARCH

15, 2025. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST:

SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> HENRY DEAN: THE THIRD AND LAST MOTION TO APPOINT NIZAM EMAMDIE ENGAGED IN THE RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY FOR A PARTIAL TERM EXPIRED SECRETARIES 17, 2023.

[7. Consider appointments to the Planning & Zoning Agency (PZA).]

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: A SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER

7. >> MELISSA LUNDQUIST: COMMISSIONERS, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 BEFORE TO YOU CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

TWO VACANCIES ON THE BOARD DUE TO THE EXPIRED OF MR. MIKE KOPPENHAFER AND RESIGNATION OF MR. ARCHIE WAINRIGHT.

ADVERTISED FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN FROM DECEMBER 21, 2020 THROUGH JANUARY 21, 2021. IN YOUR PACKET FOR REVIEW AND

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AND TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY HEARD THIS ITEM AT TWO DIFFERENT PZA MEETINGS AND TWO RECOMMENDATION LETTERS FROM THE PZA WITHIN YOUR PACKET. MR. ARCHIE WAINRIGHT'S TERM IS SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JUNE 6 OF THIS YEAR.

AND JUST A FEW MONTHS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION ON MOTIONS ARE FOR THAT SPECIFIC SEAT TO CONSIDER SUSPENDING YOUR BOCC RULE 2.2.C OF FILLING A VACANCY FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM AND MAKING THAT APPOINTMENT FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SO THAT VACANCY IS NOT BACK BEFORE NEW JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

AND THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD AND OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN ON ITEM 7, THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY APPOINTMENTS.

PUBLIC COMMENT? NONE ON THE CALL.

NONE IN THE AUDIENCE. DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> PAUL WALDRON: I WANT TO MAKE ONE MOTION. MOTION TO APPOINT JOHN E "JACK" PETER FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR A FULL F FOUR-YEAR TERM. MR. PETER WAS ON THE TDC BOARD WHICH I AM ON. HE ALWAYS CAME PREPARED, AT ATTENDED WELL, AND HE WAS PREPARE FOR THE MEETINGS WHICH

I APPRECIATE GREAT THAT. >> HENRY DEAN: SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE.

PLEASE VOTE. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND 2.2.C FILING VACANCY FOR AN UNEXPIRED TERM.

>> SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT ZACHARY MILLER TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY FOR A FULL F FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO

EXPIRE MARCH 16, 2025. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY DISCUSSION? >> I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MR. MILLER BUT THIS WILL UNEVEN THE DISTRICTS WITH REGARDS TO NO DISTRICT 2 REPRESENTATION ON THE PZA. THERE IS AN APPLICANT THERE DR.

DEANNA GRAYSON. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT HER NAME DIRECT, DEANNA GRAYSON WHO FORMALLY SERVED ON THE PZA IN 2006 AND '07 AND VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE GEOGRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION FOR THAT SEAT. IT IS MY ONLY THING.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: UNDERSTOOD.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON T THIS.

IF MR. MILLER IS VOTED DOWN, WE CAN MAKE -- ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 3-2. >> HENRY DEAN: THAT REMINDS ME TO SAY THAT WE HAD -- WE HAD A LOT OF EXTREMELY WELL QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR THE PZA THIS ROUND.

AND IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO -- FOR ME TO ZERO IN ON TWO BECAUSE AT LEAST FIVE APPLICANTS THAT WERE EXTREMELY QUALIFIED AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF THEM TO CONTINUE TO APPLY AGAIN. AND JUST -- OR PARTICIPATE IN OTHER COMMITTEES BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS A CROSS SECTION.

WE HAVE SO MANY GREAT VOLUNTEER COMMUNITY LEADERS IN THIS COUNTY. SO I HAD TO SAY THAT.

BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT LIST. >> ACTUALLY ALL THE APPLICANTS FOR ALL THREE WERE FANTASTIC. REALLY.

WELL-ROUNDED. >> I COMPLETELY CONCUR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.

I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLE SO MANY GREAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO STEP UP AND SERVE. A PZA IS A CHALLENGING BOARD TO SIT ON AND MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS AS WE ALREADY HAVE SEEN TODAY.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I NEED TO MAKE ONE FINAL MOTION TO CLOSE THE

LOOP ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. >> MAKE A MOTION TO REINSTATE

BOCC RULE 2.2.C. >> SECOND.

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU FOR THAT CATCH, SIR.

SO IF IT IS THE BLESSTURE OF THE BOARD, 12:15.

WE WILL TAKE SHORT BREAK OR GO ON AND PUSH THROUGH.

I THINK MR. CONRAD HAS A PRESENTATION TO GIVE US.

WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?

>> HENRY DEAN: IN ALL FULL DISCLOSURE.

I HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT MAY TAKE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO MINUTES AND I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE A BREAK NOW AND COME BACK FOR ANOTHER SPIN AT IT.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO NOT BREAK AND DRAW THIS OUT AND YOU ALL

[8. Board Goals.]

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD,

COMMISSIONERS? >> I AM INTERESTED IN JUST

PUSHING THROUGH IF THAT'S OKAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. >> HENRY DEAN: I AM HAPPY.

FULL DISCLOSURE. LET'S GO.

I AM READY TO ROLL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR.

CONRAD? >> MAY END UP LEAVING.

>> HUNTER CONRAD: MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD AFTERNOON.

I THINK WE ARE IN THE AFTERNOON HOUR.

BEFORE YOU TODAY, I AM PRESENTING TO YOU BOARD GOALS.

AS YOU ARE AWARE AND WE DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, 2013 WAS THE LAST TIME THIS BOARD ADOPTED ANY TYPE OF FORMAL GOALS. SO WHAT I WANT TO DO TODAY IS TO PREPARE FOR YOU IN YOUR CONSIDERATION GOALS MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. THESE GOALS, THEY ARE A LITTLE BRIGHT ON THIS SCREEN. THEY ARE NOT THAT BRIGHT ON MY COMPUTER. BUT THESE GOALS WILL BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD'S GOALS GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING WITH YOU OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS. HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR, TO LISTEN WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU.

WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A NUMBER OF BRIEFINGS.

EVEN COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ONLY BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS TO HEAR AND SEE WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU AS YOU RAN YOUR CAM CAMPAIGN. ADDITIONALLY SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY. I AM A TAXPAYER.

I AM A VOTING CITIZEN. WE ELECT YOU TO REPRESENT US.

THESE GOALS ARE A COMBINATION OF WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU OVER THE LAST 15 MONTHS. THE LAST SIX MONTHS, SPECIFICALLY, OF WORKING TOGETHER AND WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU AS A BOARD. I WANT TO SET A COUPLE OF THINGS -- AS WE GO THROUGH THIS ANSWER QUESTIONS OFF THE GET-GO AND THEN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

TOP OF THE SLIDE, THREE PHRASES DEFINING OUR COMMUNITY, PLANNING OUR FUTURE AND MEASURING OUR SUCCESS.

THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THESE GOALS.

THAT IS WHY THESE GOALS ARE BEFORE YOU.

THEY ARE A DEFINITION OF WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY.

IT IS INTENDED AND MADE TO PLAN FOR OUR FUTURE.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR BUDGET, YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU ADOPT THAT IS PRESENTED BY YOURSELF AND STAFF IS SET IN ADVANCE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD.

WHAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD, WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO FUND AND WHAT YOU DEFINE IS IMPORTANT.

THE THIRD PART TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED GOALS TO MEASURE HOW WE ARE DOING. IT HAS BEEN SAID WHAT GETS MEASURED IS WHAT GETS DONE. THESE BILLS BEFORE YOU CAN CALL THEM TAG LINES, MARKETING MATERIALS.

WHATEVER YOU WANT. THEY ARE LARGE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND INDICATOR THAT'S FOLLOW.

THIS IS CLEAR UP FRONT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT INFRAS INFRASTRUCTURE. DON'T SEE THIS AS A GOAL OF BUILDING SUCH AND SUCH ROAD OR PAVING SUCH AND SUCH ROAD.

AND WHAT THIS MEANS IN PRACTICE FOR YOU ALL IF YOU ADOPT THESE TODAY, TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE.

BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT WE HAVE AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ADEQUATELY PLANNING FOR TOMORROW.

I MET FOR STAFF ON FRIDAY IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO ADOPT THESE GOALS AN AMENDMENT WILL BE TODAY OR TOMORROW AND PART OF THE BUDGET PLAN EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD WILL SUBMIT OBJECTIVES IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK THAT WILL SUPPORT THE GOALS.

THE FOLLOW-THROUGH ON THE BIG VISION.

THE UNDERLYING OBJECTIVES BY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS MEASURE THE SUCCESS AS BOARD AND STAFF. AND WALK YOU THROUGH EACH OF THESE AND FLIP TO A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO GIVE YOU EXAMPLES AND I WILL ELABORATE ON FEW OTHER THINGS.

FIRST OF ALL, FINANCIAL STE STEWARDSHIP.

FISCALLY SOUND AND FINANCIALLY STABLE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FISCAL AND FINANCES, THE PRACTICE AND POLICY. FISCAL SOUND IS HAVING A SOUND POLICY. FINANCIALLY STABLE IS THE PRACTICE OF MANAGING YOUR MONEY.

HOW THIS BOARD MANAGES AND THE POLICIES YOU ADOPT IS WHAT TRANSLATES TO THE IMPORTANCE OF FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.

SECOND IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THRIVING AND EMERGING ECONOMIC

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THIRD IS WORLD-CLASS LIVING. THE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY. THAT REFERENCES FIRE STATIONS.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BALL FIELDS.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING TALK THINK OF THAT DRAW PEOPLE HERE THAT MAKES THEM WANT TO LIVE HERE.

THE NEXT IS CUSTOMER SERVICE. WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE A STAFF, A COMMUNITY, A COUNTY THAT IS FOCUSED ON TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE. OTHER AGENCIES IN OUR COMMUNITY HAVE, AND. AND THIS IS PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AS STAFF AND INTERACTING WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST.

AND AGAIN WALK IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

THESE ARE THE THEMES THAT WILL THEN BRING OBJECTIVES THAT WILL THEN HAVE INDICATOR THAT'S WE ARE ABLE TO MEASURE.

A TOPDOWN APPROACH. AND YOUR DIRECTORS WILL COMMIT THEM AS PART OF THE PROS PROCESS TO MEASURE THE OBJECTIVES. AND SAME THING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. I TOUCHED ON THAT AT THE FRONT.

THE NEXT SLIDE ALL THIS SEE HERE.

THESE ARE EXAMPLES. AND THE LITTLE CAVEAT AT THE BOTTOM AND DO NOT REFLECT RA RATES.

AND NOT EVEN SPOKEN OF STAFF THAT THESE ARE SUBMITTED OF PART OF THE BUDGET PLAN. AND CURRENTLY A BUDGET BOOK THAT IS SUBMITTED AND THEN OFF BIG BOOK.

A PHYSICAL BOOK WHEN STAFF AND CITIZENS COME THEY GET A COPY OF THE BIG BOOK AND ONLINE. AS YOU KNOW AND BRIEFED OVER THE FUTURE OF THE NEXT YEAR. AN UPDATED WEB SITE THAT ALLOWS US TO TRACK THIS INFORMATION SO THE CITIZENS HOPEFULLY BY EARLY NEXT YEAR WILL BE ABLE TO GO ONLINE AND WITH THE OBJECTIVES THAT APPROVE AND SUPPORT YOUR GOALS AND HOW WE ARE MEASURING.

A FEW EXAMPLES. FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.

A 2022 OBJECTIVE TO REDUCE BY 3.2%.

THE PERCENTAGE. WHERE ARE WE IN REDUCING OUR LONG-TERM DEBT BY 3%. NOT AN OBJECTIVE AND ONE THAT QUESTION SUBMITTED TO. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, 2022 OBJECTIVE. ASSIST WITH THE CREATION OF 100 NEW JOBS. 2022 OBJECTIVE.

52% COMPLETION OF THE LIBRARY VILLAGE AND PARK COMPLEX.

CUSTOMER SERVICE AND EXAMPLE IS REDUCE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES BY 5% AND INFRASTRUCTURE, REPAVE 15 MILES OF ROADWAY.

THESE ARE 2022 OBJECTIVES AND GOALS.

2021 GOALS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE ARE THEORETICALLY PRACTICE IN 2013. AND THEY HAVE BEEN ADOPTED SINCE. ELECTED THIS BODY IS PART OF THE INITIAL GOALS THAT WERE ADOPTED IN 2013 TO CONSIDER NEW GOALS. SO THEY ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND KNOW A VISUAL EXAMPLE. BY THE WAY IT IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN THE NEW WEB SITE IS LAUNCHED NEXT YEAR BUT A MOCK-UP AND MODEL THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE DESIGN COMPANY THAT WILL DO THE WEB SITE. JUST THE IDEA OF SOMETHING THAT WE MAY BE FOR THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS.

I STAND BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT EACH OF YOU MAY

HAVE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. CONRAD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FIRST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WANT TO SAY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD OF THE BROAD STROKES AND WHAT YOU MEAN FOR THE BO BOARD.

I THINK OUR BRAND HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS THE BEST PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY AND HOW THAT IS CAPTURED BY THE WORLD-CLASS LIVING GOAL. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR THESE GOALS WHICH I THINK REPRESENT GOALS THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF ST. JOHNS CO COUNTY.

>> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON? OKAY. I JUST -- I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SAID.

IT IS VERY COMMENDMENT. AND I KNOW A LOT OF WORK WENT INTO THIS. AND THING SHOWS GREAT VISION AND APPROPRIATE FOR US AS COUNTY GOVERNMENT TO HAVE OBJECTABLE ACHIEVABLE GOALS TO COME UP WITH.

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I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION. WE OWE THAT TO THE PUBLIC.

THRIVING ECONOMIC. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR CITIZENS AND BEST PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST, PRIORITIZING TODAY.

PLANNING FOR TOMORROW. THIS IS VERY BROAD AND WORKABLE AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO ENCAPSULATE AND LAY THIS GROUNDWORK FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

THING IS A GREAT STARTING POINT AND I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR TEAM AND STAFF FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

WELL, BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, LET ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REQUIRED TODAY. YOU ARE ASKING US TO GO AHEAD

AND MAKE A MOTION? >> HUNTER CONRAD: SHOULD BE A MOTION CONTAINED IN YOUR POCKET THAT WILL SUPPORT THE ADOPTION

OF THESE GOALS FOR '22. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE HAVE SOME CALLS WAITING AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT.

FULL COME UP, PLEASE, MA'AM, ON ITEM 8.

OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. >> HELLO, GENTLEMEN, I AM JANET PATTON. 7265 A 1 A SOUTH CRESCENT BE BEACH. I AM DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING A VISIONING PROCESS.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN SOME TIME BEFORE THEY -- THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS EXERCISE. AND AS MR. CONRAD SAID, IT WAS 2013. SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY CIVIC ROUNDTABLE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HEARD OF THE VISIONING PROCESS. AND WE WOULD BE -- WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT ON THE VISIONING FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS COUNTY. FOR EXAMPLE, I KNOW THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT NOR PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND THESE, I THINK, ARE CERTAINLY TWO ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY.

SO ANY INPUT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, AS YOU KNOW, THE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE REPRESENTS A BROAD CROSS SECTION OF THE COUNTY, WE WILL CEESH 1998 IT. -- APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.

1A. WE HAVE ONE CALL WAITING.

IS IT COMING IN? PLEASE GO AHEAD IF YOU ARE

CALLING IN. >> MR. CHAIR, VICE-CHAIRMAN, ED S LAVIN, BOX 3084. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE LADY FROM THE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE. PLEASE MOVE TO TABLE THIS.

IN NEEDS TO HAVE AN ITERATIVE PROCESS THE SAME WAY THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH DID, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

AND NOT THAT SOMEBODY DOES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND A RATHER JUVENILE PROPOSAL AND HALF-BAKED.

THE PROPOSED GOALS ARE SAID TO BE IN DISCUSSIONS TO COMMISSIONERS. DID YOU VIOLATE THE SUNSHINE AGAIN? THE PROPOSED GOALS ARE SLOGAN AND NOT GOALS. IF YOU MUST SET GOALS, HAVE MEASURED. IF THEY ARE NOT MEASURED.

THE PROPOSED GOALS IT NOT INCLUDE ONE, EQUITY.

TWO, EQUALITY. THREE, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE.

FOUR, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. FIVE, LOBBYIST DISCLOSURE.

SIXTH HISTORIC GENERATION, SEVENTH TRANSPARENCY, EIGHTH PUBLIC. NINE, SUNSHINE AND RECORD TEN, AND CORRUPTION IN THE BEAUTIFUL PLACE THAT WE CALL GOD'S COUNTRY AND ONE THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. CALLED THE MOST LAWLESS IN AMERICA. THE LADY FROM THE CIVIC ROUNDTABLE SAID, WHAT ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH? THESE GOALS ARE NOT READY TO ADOPT AND I THINK IT IS ALMOST SNOOTY TO HAVE THIS ONE-SIDED LIST OF GOALS THAT ARE BUZZWORDS PRESENTED TO Y'ALL AND NOT ASK FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

NOT DO A PRESS RELEASE. OFF FULL-TIME PR GUY MICHAEL WANCHECK'S HOLDOVER AND HAVEN'T DONE A PRESS RELEASE AND THE OR NPR, INVITING PEOPLE TO SPEAK. THE SAME GOOD OL' BOY REPUBLICAN NONSENSE THAT RUN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

YOU WANT THIS YOUNG MAN AND DEVELOPERS TO TELL YOU WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE. THAT BEING DIRECTED.

THAT IS NOT BEING PROACTIVE AND NOT DEMOGRAPHIC.

I ASK THAT YOU TABLE THIS FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTY.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT COMPLETES THE CALL-IN. I HAVE ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO

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RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: WHITEHURST THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I VOICED SIMILAR CONCERNS OF MISS PATTON.

I SAY DOES THIS CAPTURE THIS, DOES THIS CAPTURE THAT? THESE ARE BROAD STROKES. THIS IS THE WAY YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME. DO YOU THINK THAT THE ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC HEALTH WILL BE CAPTURED BY THE FIVE CATEGORIES, IS THAT YOUR OPINION?

>> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR, IT WOULD BE.

THE CALLER SAIDING INTO TO MEASURE ANY OF THIS STUFF.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND AS I STATED IN MY OPENINGS THAT EACH OF THESE GOALS, DIRECTORS WILL BE GIVEN AND A MEMO WILL GO OUT TODAY AND TOMORROW. AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN WITH ON FRIDAY IF THE BOARD WERE TO ADOPT WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT OBJECTIVES THAT WOULD BE MEASURED. AND SO EVERY DEPARTMENT -- YOU KNOW 20 SOMETHING DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS NOT INCLUDING DIVISIONS, REPRESENT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO EACH DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE TASKED WITH PROVIDING OBJECTIVES AND KEY PERFORMANCE EDUCATOR THAT'S WOULD SUPPORT

THESE GOALS IF ADOPTED. >> THANK YOU, MR. CONRAD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU PERMIT ME, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR LEGAL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. LET'S GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME UP AND SPEAK, AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.

>> BJ KALADY, CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. VERY INTERESTING WHEN I WAS READING THE INFORMATION AND NOW WE HAVE PERCENTAGES UP THERE.

BECAUSE THE ORDER -- AND JUST A MEMO IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ORDER UP THERE NOW. AND IT IS INTERESTING NUMBER 4 IS NOW CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND NUMBER 3 IS WORLD-CLASS LIVING. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 40% -- I KNOW ALL OF THIS IS TALKING RIGHT NOW.

AND PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

AND WE ARE GOING TO GET THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE LIBRARY.

I KNOW MR. BRAD IS WORKING ON THE CHAIRS FOR THE MAIN LIB LIBRARY. AND THIS IS MY CONCERN.

GLAD TO KNOWS IN IN 2013. GLAD TO KNOW WHAT THE GOALS WERE. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY HAD ANY GOALS. THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF US WITHOUT ANY GOALS, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

YOU ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU GET IN YOUR PACKET AND HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE TOO.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.

SITTING HERE THIS MORNING -- WHAT WAS IT 9:38 UNTIL ABOUT 12:00 ALMOST, WE DIDN'T PUT THE PEOPLE FIRST.

IT IS LIKE LET'S MOVE THEM THROUGH -- WE GOT TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. THIS THE ATTITUDE SITTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE DEVELOPERS GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND AND AND ON. IT IS MORE PUTTING MONEY FIRST INSTEAD OF PEOPLE FIRST. AND I THINK WE NEED TO STRESS THE PEOPLE MORE. AND WE NEED TO BE MORE CONSIDERATE OF EVERYBODY. AND THAT -- IT CONCERNS ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE PASSED TODAY.

AND WHAT. IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS WORLD-CLASS LIVING BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE PEOPLE SPOKE ON ITEMS NUMBER ONE AND TWO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE ON A WORLD-CLASS LIVING PLACE.

GOING BACK TO THE PZA. THAT IS FINE.

LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN COMING BACK HERE.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE EMPHASIS OF THESE GOALS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE NOW. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT ON NUMBER 8. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR. TO MR. CONRAD.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, WILL CHAIRMAN.

THROUGH THE CHAIR, MR. MCCORMACK IS IT A VIOLATION FOR MR. CONRAD TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH

COMMISSIONER. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: GENERALLY NO. WHAT STAFF CANNOT DO IS TO BASICALLY COUNT VOTES AND UNOFFICIALLY OR THINGS LIKE THAT OR SHARE WHAT PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER IS IN FAVOR OF THESE THREE AND THESE TWO. THAT TYPE OF THING.

TO GO AND GET INPUT. IN FACT THE SUNSHINE LAW WOULD ALLOW EACH ONE OF TO YOU HAVE WRITTEN A MEMO TO MR. CONRAD.

THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

THAT CAN BE DONE IN A CONVERSATION AS WELL.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMICK, I AM NEW

AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> MISS MACLADY DID ADDRESS.

>> IS NOT IN ANY ORDER. ONE THROUGH FIVE.

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NOT MY INTENT TO PROPOSE FOR YOU TO ORDER THEM.

YOU ARE WELCOME TO DO SO BUT NOT MY INTENT IN YOUR PROPOSAL

TO ADOPT THIS TODAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y

YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN NEXT. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, FIRST OF ALL, HUNTER, THANK YOU SO MUCH, YOU AND THE STAFF, FOR PREPARING THIS ITEM. I THINK WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING THE PAST. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH -- LET'S CALL IT BUREAUCRATIC HOME INEN CLAYTURE OVER MY -- HOME IN CLAYTURE -- NOMENCLATURE, THE TITLE HAS IN ARE NOT GRASPED BY THE WORKING INDIVIDUAL.

THEY JUST WANT TO MAKE A MORTGAGE PAYMENT AND MAKE SURE THEIR KIDS ARE DOING WELL IN SCHOOL, BOTTOM LINE.

WHAT I WILL TELL FROM YOU MY EXPERIENCE, GOALS ARE OVERARCHING. GOALS AS WE AS A COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE. WITH RESPECT TO WORLD-CLASS LIVING, THE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY, THAT GOAL EN CHANCES PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECTING HEALTH SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC. FOR EXAMPLE, AN OBJECTIVE UNDER WORLD-CLASS LIVING, FOR ME AN OBJECTIVE WOULD BE LET'S ACQUIRE 1,000 ACRES OF CONSERVATION LANDS A YEAR TO IMPLEMENT TO IMPLEMENT LIVE, WORK AND PLAY AS A GOAL.

THERE WILL BE OBJECTIVES FOR BUILDING THE LIBRARY AND PARK AND RURAL GOLF VILLAGE AS AN OBJECTIVE.

THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. IT WILL LEAVE TO ACHIEVING OUR GOAL OF THE PLACE TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

I AM TRYING TO START OF GIVE YOU MY UNDERSTANDING BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE OF WHAT WE ARE REALLY DEALING WITH HERE.

SO AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING WHERE I AM COMING FROM. AND WE HAVE GOALS AND THEY ARE VERY BROAD AND WE ENDORSE THEM AND EMBRACE THEM AND DEVELOP OBJECT I WAS TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS.

THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BO BOARD?

IS THERE A MOTION? >> HENRY DEAN: I SO MOVE THE

TO ADOPT THESE GOALS. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST:

SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 2)]

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL MOVE INTO

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW TAKE UP GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WISHING TO CALL IN AND SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE, WE ARE TAKING UP GENERAL PUBLIC

COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: DO YOU

WANT TO READ THAT. >> HENRY DEAN: I HAVE A TO READ THE PROVISO. THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THE RECOGNIZE AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AS THEY D DID. COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND NOT INCLUDE DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON WILL ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR AND AUDIENCE SHOULD NOT SHOW ANY BOISTEROUS APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OR ANY COMMENTS.

I WOULD ASK ANY SPEAK WE ARE OVERHEAD MATERIAL TO PRESENT THE MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM. [INAUDIBLE]

>> -- JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, 33256.

ONE EYE OF THE TERMS NUMBER 14 THAT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I COMMEND WHOEVER WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHO FUNDED THE PURCHASE OF THIS LAND. IT IS MORE THAN 1,000 ACRES.

IT DIDN'T EVEN GO THROUGH THE LAMP PROGRAM.

IT WAS SET ASIDE FOR CONSERVATION AND I COMMEND THIS BOARD FOR ACTUALLY PUTTING IT UNDER CONSERVATION AND ADD TO THE WONDERFUL LANDS WE HAVE THAT WILL BE PROTECTED IN PERPETUITY. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. I SEE NO CALLS.

SO ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.

>> WJ CALADY. CITY OF WEST AUGUST SCENE.

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AND NUMBER TWO IS CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER 12.

I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO NOTE WHO ARE NOT HERE NOW -- EVERYONE HAS TO GO HOME. DEVELOPERS DID TAKE A MOMENT -- WELL, REALLY ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

BUT JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOW, THEY DID TOUCH ON THE COST FOR THE APARTMENTS. IT IS GOING TO START THE $800 RANGE. SO THEY SHOULD BE COMMENCING BUILDING IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW TOO.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THOSE DEVELOPERS GIVING ME THAT INFORMATION SO I CAN PASS IT ON.

AND IT IS INTERESTING, TOO, THAT A DEVELOPER JUST SPOKE AND TOOK A CELL PHONE -- CELL PHOTO OF THE GOALS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FOR THE BOARD AND THE COUNTY NOW.

AND I HOPE THESE GOALS ARE -- NOT FOR THE DEVELOPERS, BUT FOR REALLY THE QUALITY OF LIFE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS STILL FOR THE DEVELOPERS AND NOT THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND I KNOW THAT GOES BACK TO THE COMP PLAN.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING -- AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT AND I KNOW IT WON'T GET DONE AND THAT'S FINE.

THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING IF THE GOAL OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS CELT FORTH A MINUTE AGO IS PUTTING PEOPLE FIRST, THEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD BE AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MEETING. THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THIS.

AND THEY FEEL LIKE PROBABLY IT DOESN'T MATTER TO SAY IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, REPUTATION -- REPETITION, IT MIGHT SINK IN THAT COURTESY IS TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK GENERALLY IN THE BEGINNING SO THEY CAN GO AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND GO TO WORK. NOT JUST THE DEVELOPERS WHO STAY HERE AND GET PAID LIKE THE LAWYERS TO SIT IN THESE MEETINGS AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT TOO.

SO I HOPE THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE TALKING AFTER THIS YOU DISCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND I WON'T BE DISCOURAGED AND TAKE CARE OF THE COUNTY AND ST. AUGUSTINE.

I WILL BE BACK YOU CAN COUNT ON IT.

>> HENRY DEAN: APPEARS WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL IN.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> ED SLAVIN, 308.4, ED SLAVIN.COM. I TOTALLY BELIEVE IT IS DISRESPECTFUL AND AN ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY TO MOVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE END OF THE MEETING.

WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SPEAK DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE HAD PEOPLE THERE WHO WAS TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEMS AND THEY WERE EDUCATED ON THE CORRUPTION AND INACTION OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. AND THE END OF THE MEETING AND NOT A TIME CERTAIN THAT YOU ARE KNOWN GIVE DEVELOPERS.

IT IS WRONG AND I WILL BACK AND MISS CALADY IS ABSOLUTELY RI RIGHT. DANIEL BERNUM, THE ARCHITECT OF PARKS, MAKE NO LITTLE PLANS BECAUSE THEY DON'T INSPIRE PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THEM. THAT DUMB OL' LIST OF GOALS TO ENCOURAGE BAD STAFF WORK, SHALLOW THINKING, MALADROITE ADMINISTRATION. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF GOALS TO TALK OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL SEASHORE FIRST PROPOSED IN 1989 BY MAYOR FRAZIER AND THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THE DRAFT I CAME UP WITH WILL TAKE 140,000 ACRES OF CURRENT GOVERNMENT-OWNED LANDS IN TWO COUNTIES.

WE ALREADY OWN IT, FOLKS, AND JOHNNY DEAN AND HANKERSON JR.

ACQUIRED HALF OF THAT LAND. YOU PUT IN A PARK IN SEASHORE MAJOR GOVERNMENT FUNDING TO SAVE OUR BEACHES.

OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DON'T HAVE OUR CLOUT LIKE CAPE HATTARAS AND IT IS LITERALLY GOING IN THE OCEAN.

WE HAVE THE CLOUT AND HAVE A NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE.

WE CAN SAVE THE WHALES AND WILDLIFE HABITAT FOR THE BEACH MICE AND OTHER CRITTERS AND A PLACE IT IS A TRULY A WO WORLD-CLASS TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY.

WORK, LIVE AND PLAY IS NOT DESIGNED BY THE DEVELOPERS AND WE SHOULD NOT RUSH FOR JUDGMENT WITHOUT A MEANINGFUL

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I MEAN, REALLY, DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ACTING THE PUBLIC INTEREST WHEN DO YOU THAT? BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE DOING THE SAME OL' REPUBLICAN STUFF THEY HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT DECADES KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND THE PRO PRESERVE ANYTHING. WE HAVE SO MUCH OF OUR HISTORY AND NATURE DESTROYED IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IT IS OF CONCERN. IT IS HURTING THE WILDLIFE AND HURTING OUR ABILITY TO ENJOY WHY WE ARE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. IN TERMS OF GOALS, CAN WE PLEASE SET A TIME CERTAIN FOR DISCUSSION OF GOALS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING MAYBE EVEN AT NIGHT AND HAVE A MEETING OF THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE WORKING WITH THE

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>> HENRY DEAN: ED, YOU KNOW THE THREE-MINUTE RULE.

APPRECIATE YOU, ED. ANY OTHER CALL-INS? THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC COMMENT BLOCKER PWLONGZ OKAY, THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER REPORTS. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DON'T HAVE MUCH AND I REALIZE WE WON'T SEE EACH OTHER UNTIL AFTER EASTER AND I WANTED TO TAKE THE TIME FOR THOSE OF US WHO CELEBRATE THE DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION WE CALL EASTER TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY EASTER.

TAKE CARE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PAUL WALDRON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GIVE THE BOARD AN UPDATE ON YESTERDAY'S TDC MEETING. WE HAD ABOUT I WOULD SAY TWO AND A HALF TO THREE-HOUR DISCUSSION ON FIFTH CENT AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT WHERE IT SHOULD GO.

THEY HAVE ASKED TO SAY -- SO YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ASKED THE CITY AT LEAST A MONTH OR TWO TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS TO HEAR FROM THE CITY FROM THE TDC. SOME OF CHANGES WOULD BE PUTTING THE BEACHES IN ALL ONE CATEGORY.

WE DIDN'T DISCUSS ANY FUNDS BEING CHANGED EVERYWHERE.

ALL THE BEACHES IN ONE CAT CATEGORY.

LEISURE AND RECREATION IN ONE CATEGORY.

THEY WANTED TO KNOW AN ALLOCATION OF OTHER COUNTIES AND I WILL MAKE SURE THE BOARD GETS ALL OF THIS TOO WHEN YOU RECEIVE IT. HISTORICAL EXPENDITURE BY CATEGORY AND USE TYPE IN THE COUNTY.

AND GETS MORE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND WANT TO SEE A DRAFT CHANGE OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND ALSO THEY ARE KIND OF WAITING ON -- SOME STATE LEGISLATURE ON TOURIST DEVELOPMENT AND DISCUSS MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE AND HAVING THREE-YEAR PLAN WHERE YOU DON'T CHANGE IT FOR THRE YEARS IF POSSIBLE.

SOFT LEGISLATION IS PRETTY SCARY.

IF IT WAS PUT ON IT WOULD CHANGE A LOT OF THINGS.

SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.

THE OTHER THING I WANT TO BRING YOU IS LOOKING AT COUNTY UNEMPLOYMENT. AID CAREER SOURCE MEETING JUST BEFORE THIS ONE. I AM ON THEIR BOARD, AND UNPRIME MINISTER IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY DOWN TO 3.5%.

JANUARY LAST YEAR BEFORE THE PANDEMIC IT WAS 3.1.

OUR ECONOMY IN OUR AREA ARE COMING BACK TREMENDOUSLY AS FAR AS JOBS. YOU SEE HELP WANTED SIGNS EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTY. IF YOU ARE OUT IN THE CITY, A TESTAMENT TO OUR AREA AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. THANK YOU.

GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN NEXT. >> HENRY DEAN: I HAVE THREE ITEMS AND I AM GOING TO TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, AND DESERVE SOME DISCUSSION. THE FIRST ITEM IS THAT I THINK WE HAVE A PROJECT BEING CONSIDERED AT THE STAFF LEVEL BEING REFERRED TO AS PROJECT BREEZE -- MR. CONRAD, I BELIEVE THAT IS RIGHT? I, FOR ONE, THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT IS TIME OF THE ESSENCE OF THIS PARTICLAR PROJECT, AND I WOULD REQUEST THROUGH THE CHAIRMAN THIS BE ANSWERED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND I WOULD ASK FOR IT TO BE ANSWERED FOR APRIL 6 FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER IF AT ALL

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GREAT SPEED. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT?

>> HENRY DEAN: WHAT DO YOU CALL IT CONFIDENTIALALS AND

PROJECT BREEZE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: UNDERSTOOD. MR. CONRAD, HOW QUICKLY COULD

STAFF GET THIS -- >> HUNTER CONRAD: IF COMMISSIONER DEAN REQUESTS IT BE ON THE AGENDA, IT CAN BE ON

IN APRIL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: IS THERE CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

APRIL 6. THANK YOU.

IF THERE ARE ANY -- BECAUSE IT IS CONFIDENTIAL, THE BOARD

PACKETS ARE LIMITED. >> HENRY DEAN: ALL RIGHT.

THE SECOND ITEM THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS.

THE ISSUE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE FACT THAT I THOUGHT THIS BOARD TOOK A GREAT LEAP FORWARD.

A LOT WAS FROM A COMMITTEE THAT PAUL WAS ACTIVE IN CHARACTER ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE CAME UP WITH THE PILOT PROJECT.

AND I THINK THAT THE NUMBERS THAT WE USED TWO YEARS AGO TO APPROVE THAT AND GO FORWARD HAVE DRAMATICALLY CHANGED, SIGNIFICANTLY AND DRAMATICALLY. BASED ON THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCT -- COST OF CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY LUMBER IN THE LAST SIX TO EIGHT MONTH.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING HAVE GONE UP.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOU SPRAY BETTER INFORMATION BUT ON LUMBER GONE UP DRAMATICALLY 20 TO 30% IN THE LAST SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS. IN ANY EVENT, IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE -- IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOME, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, TO MEET THE $210,000 REQUIREMENT SET IN OUR RULINGS, THAT IT CAN -- YOU KNOW, 40% HAVE TO BE OFFERED 210 OR LESS. AND SO I ONE AT TO SUGGEST THAT WE EITHER DO IT TODAY OR THIS ALSO BE ANSWERED FOR FORMAL MEETING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE THAT WE RAISE THAT FIGURE FROM 210 TO 240,000 THAT MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE IN TODAY'S MARKET IN MY MIND TO CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THIS COUNTY WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE WERE RECENTLY GIVEN AN AWARD OF EXCELLENCE FROM THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA COUNCIL RECOGNIZING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH A REASONABLE NUMBER AND TO ME THAT IS 240,000.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

MR. CONRAD, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN GET FOR THE NEXT MEET SOMETHING IN.

>> HUNTER CONRAD: I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO.

IF IT IS A MATTER OF THE BOARD RAISING THE THRESHOLD.

THAT IS A BOARD DISCUSSION AND WE CAN COME AND PUT A SLIDE UP AND KICK BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR. MCCORMICK, THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL WOULD REQUIRE A FIRST AND SECOND READING.

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: THAT IS NORMAL.

THE BOARD CAN WAIVE THE SECOND IF THEY CHOOSE TO.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

IS THERE BOARD CONSENSUS? COMMISSIONER SMITH? OKAY. SO LET'S -- IF WE COULD -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW TO WAIVE.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET ON THE APRIL 6 AGENDA.

THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME WHETHER TO WAIVE IT OR NOT AND GIVE THE BOARD MEMBERS AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW IT

AND GO UP TO SPEED FROM THERE. >> HENRY DEAN: THE THIRD ITEM TODAY FOR ME IS THAT LAST SUMMER, WE ALL HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT PROVIDING MARKETING AND ADVERTISING FUNDS TO THE -- TO THE BCB. AND WE HAD AFTER SOME, I THOUGHT, REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, WE AGREED TO PROVIDE A LOAN OF $2 MILLION. AND I THINK THOSE FUNDS WERE TAKEN FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND PROVIDED TO THE BCB SAUCE OF -- WE STILL, EVEN THOUGH THE -- THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS LOW, MANY OF OUR ATTRACTIONS, HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS ARE STILL STRUGGLING. AND I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP OUR MARKETING EFFORTS MOVING FORWARD BUT I ALSO THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME FINANCIAL ACTIONS BOTH AT THE

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IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULDN'T PROVIDE THAT $2 MILLION TO THE B C B FOR MARKETING WITHOUT A REPAYMENT SCHEDULE AND I MAY BE THE ONLY COMMISSIONER. AND THAT WILL REQUIRE ALSO, AND MY ASK THAT WE EDGE THAT FOR DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT AND MAYBE HAVE SOME NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US TO CONSIDER.

BUT THAT IS MY -- THAT IS MY ASK TODAY IS TO -- IS TO CONSIDER THAT AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN, LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. FROM LEGAL, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS A NOTICED

MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? >> FIRST OF ALL, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE ACTUAL BOARD ACTION ON THAT TO SEE IF IT IS CONSTRUED AS A LOAN OR ADVANCED PAYMENT.

WHATEVER THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL PART OF IT.

I DO THINK IT WILL BE A BUSINESS ITEM.

AN ANSWERED BUSINESS ITEM FOR -- I GUESS THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION FOR THE ANSWERED BUSINESS ITEM.

>> MY ASK THIS BE ANSWERED FOR DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. THAT IS MY ASK.

I DON'T EXPECT ANY DECISION TODAY OBVIOUSLY.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMICK. MR. CONRAD, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF COULD GET READY BY APRIL 6?

>> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? OKAY.

SO WE WILL AGENDA THIS FOR APRIL 6.

OKAY. YES, SIR?

>> HENRY DEAN: THAT IS MY L LIST.

THAT DIDN'T TAKE THAT LONG, DID IT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.

>> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU ARE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT. IN VOLUMINOUS RAINFALL HAVE EXACERBATED QUALITY ISSUES WITH REGARD TO FARMING AND FARM PRODUCT, DISEASE AND PEST PRESSURE UP.

SOME STANDS LIKE PAY TOTO ARE SKIPPY DOO WITH THE SEED.

AND NATIONWIDE OPTIMISM, STORAGE QUALITY LOW.

TEXAS HIT WITH COLD, WET WEATHER AND THE CROP IS PROJECTED TO BE LOW IN TEXAS. NORTH CAROLINA WAS NOT ABLE TO PLANT TIMELY BECAUSE WEATHER. SO THERE APPEARS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE SOME POTATO AT DECENT PRICES WITH THE SUPPLY FORECAST TO BE LOW. AND AND OR NONEXISTENT.

ALSO JUST UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IFUS IS CONSIDERING INTERVIEW FOR THE DEAN OF EXTENSION AND THOSE ARE ONGOING AND GO INTO THE BEGINNING OF APRIL, I BELIEVE.

I DID ATTEND THE IDA MEETING ON MARCH 8.

HERE IS YOUR BOARD -- BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.

THE ST. AUGUSTINE AIRPORT AUTHORITY MADE A PRESENTATION REGARDING A DESIRE TO SEEK GRANT FUNDING THROUGH THE EDA WHICH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, FEDERAL.

ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT PROGRAM TO INVESTIGATE THE FEASIBILITY AND PRODUCE A STRATEGIC PLAN OR AIRPORT AEROSPACE CLUSTER TIDE TO THE. FIVE BULLET POINTS TO GIVE TO YOU. ACTIVATE AND CONVENIENT A PROJECT STEERING COMMITTEE, PROCURE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT WITH SPECIALIZED EXPERTISE IN WORKING WITH THE AEROSPACE INDUSTRY. FILE AN INVENTORY OF ASSETS.

CONDUCT AN AIRPORT-RELATED INDUSTRY CLUSTER FEESABILITIES ANALYSIS. AND PRODUCE A PLAN.

THE FUNDING REQUEST FOR $300,000.

80% OF THAT WILL BE COVERED BY THE EDA GRANT.

THE REMAINING 60,000 WILL BE COVERED BY 25% IN-KIND COMBINATION A AND A $35,000 CASH COMBINATION.

THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY REQUESTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE STILL HAVE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

, AND LIKEWISE THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WAS SOUGHT.

NO REQUEST FOR FUNDING OR ANY IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION AND THEIR INTENT TO HAVE THE APPLIC BY TH. AID COPY OF THE LETTER.

I HOPE THAT EACH OF YOU GOT IT. JUST A SAMPLE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD TO HAVE MODIFIED AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU SUBMIT A LETTER ON THEIR BEHALF.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I DON'T THINK WE NEED A FORMAL VOTE.

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I THINK THERE IS CONSENSUS. >> HENRY DEAN: CAN I ADD ONE -- THIS IS MY FOURTH ITEM. IT WON'T BE ON THE APRIL 6 AGENDA. BUT I SERVE ON THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD AS YOUR LIAISON AND THEY MET YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND IN FACT VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE GRANT. THEY ARE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO ON THIS TOO AND VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY EXCITING AND TREMENDOUS PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE INTERESTED FOR US.

COMMISSIONER DEAN HA GONE THROUGH THAT.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO PREEMPT IF YOU HAD THE DESIRE TO MAKE THAT

REQUEST. >> HENRY DEAN: NO, I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

>> MR. CHAIR, RATHER THAN AN ACTION ITEM AND -- I WOULD RECOMMEND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

NOTHING FURTHER WE WILL FORMALLY VOTE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT OR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD.

ON BEHALF OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: NO PUBLIC COMMENT -- DID I CONFUSE THAT. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE.

THANK YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR FUNDING JUST A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. >> JEB SMITH: I HAVE ONE MORE ITEMS AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON ALLUDED TO THIS IN HIS COM COMMENTS. IN AN E-MAIL -- THAT'S HOW I DISCOVERED ITRIA RICHARD GOLDMAN HOUSE BILL 1429 AND SENATE BILL 2008. , WOULD EXPAND THE TUESDAY OF TDT AND REQUIRE A COUNTYWIDE REFERENDUM EVERY FIVE YEARS TO AUTHORIZE COLLECTION OF TDT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING IN THAT WE SHOULD PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. SMITH.

I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS TO MAKE AND WE WILL GET TO THEM QUI QUICKLY. THE ACCOLADES FIRST.

I WANT TO CONGRATULATE OUR STAFF, SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT AND.

A BROUGHT MONEY INTO OUR ECONOMY AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR JUSTIN THOMAS FOR WINNING THIS YEAR AND A GREAT HIGHLIGHT FOR OUR COUNTY, COMMUNITY AND GREAT THINGS WE HAVE TO OFFER HERE.

LET ME BRIEFLY MAKE THE BOARD AWARE THERE HAS BEEN A TRI-COUNTY MEETING SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 1 IN PUTNAM COUNTY.

REQUESTED BY CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLAGLER COUNTY TO COME TOGETHER IN PUTNAM COUNTY AND GO OVER AGENDA ITEM TO ASSIST EACH OTHER AND ASSIST WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS AND OTHER SAFETY ISSUES.

I AM PLANNING ON ATTENDING THAT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD APPROVES THAT AND THE BOARD IS NOTIFIED OF THAT.

ANYTHING FURTHER THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THAT?

>> MR. CHAIR, WHEN I FIRST HEARD OF THAT TRI-COUNTY MEETING, I THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS TO HOLD THAT IN ST. JOHNS

COUNTY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: FOR

PUTNAM COUNTY. >> AND WHEN IT WAS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IT TOOK THE ISSUE OFF THE I BELIEVE THAT I NOW HAVE TO LOOK AT. HAVING THIS BOARD MEET AS A BOARD OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. THERE MAY BE A PROVISION, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. IF THAT WAS AN ISSUE.

IF HELD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SOMETHING THE PUTNAM COUNTY ATTORNEY AND FLAGLER ATTORNEY NEED TO REVIEW FOR THE OLD BOARDS WITH THE STATE LAW. AND I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL KIND OF NEED TO REVIEW.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SURE, I UNDERSTAND.

PUTNAM COUNTY, ALACHUA AND MARION COUNTY AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN COLLATERAL CHALLENGE.

IS THERE PRESENCE FOR THIS. >> THE CHAIR THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND OTHERS MAY ATTEND.

>> THAT IS MY DISCUSSION WITH CHAIRMAN HARVEY.

IT WILL BE FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO BE INVITED AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO BE INVITED. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ACTION TO BE TAKEN AND TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF DECORUM AND PUTNAM

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>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: A MEETING OF THE CHAIR, THEN

OTHERS COULD ATTEND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME TURN OVER TO MR. CONRAD. ANY DISCUSSION WITH YOUR

COUNTERPARTS? >> HUNTER CONRAD: NO, SIR.

I HAVE NOT SPOKEN FURTHER THAN THE LAST MEETING WE HAD COLLECTIVELY BETWEEN THE CHAIRS AND THE ADMINISTRATORS.

MY ONLY QUESTION AND I WILL LOOK BACK TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE.

AN IMPRESSION IT WAS HELD AS A WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE BOARDS AND IF IT IS JUST YOU AND INVITING THE REST OF THE BOARD.

I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO DO ANY ACTION FROM THAT OBVIOUSLY.

MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WILL ASK MR. RYAN AS WELL, SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN HERE. THE LIAISON INTERACTING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND STAFFS FROM THE OTHER COUNTIES, ESPECIALLY RELATED FROM THE -- AND POTENTIALLY BEING MOVED FROM THE WORLD GOLF -- HE MAY ADDRESS IT FURTHER.

HATE TO PUT HIM -- IF IT IS JUST A CHAIR INVITE TO THE REMAINING COMMISSIONERS AND DIFFERENT THAN A WORKSHOP HELD

BY THE COLLECTIVE BODIES. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: IF IT IS A WORKSHOP, WE NEED TO GET BOARD APPROVAL.

WHY DON'T WE DO THAT WITH FURTHER CLARIFICATION.

I ASK FOR A WORKSHOP. MY UNDERSTANDING MORE OF THE MEETING MUCH CHAIRMAN, AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.

FIRST TO COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: ONCE AGAIN, LET ME JUMP IN BECAUSE WEARING ANOTHER HAT.

I ATTENDED THE FATC MEETING -- TRUSTEES MEETING AND HAD DINNER WITH LARRY HARVEY, THE PUTNAM COUNTY CHAIRMAN AND HE THROUGHOUT UP AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM HIM THAT THIS IS EITHER A WORKSHOP OR JUST A MEETING -- AN INFORMAL MEETING OF ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

HE ASKED ME ABOUT MY CALENDAR AND I AM NOT CHAIRMAN.

ALL COMMISSIONERS FLAGLER, PUTNAM AND ST. JOHNS AND EACH COUNTY PRESENTS WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE FOR LETTING THEM KNOW.

THERE IS NO REAL. CERTAINLY NO DECISIONS TO BE MADE. CERTAINLY NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN AND REALLY TO MEET OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND WHAT IS GOING ON FOR THEM AND PWAERZ COUNTY AND AFTER THAT, SEE IF WE HAD ANY THOUGHTS -- I KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE ALWAYS GOOD AT LOOKING AT OTHER COUNTIES AND NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

THAT ALL THERE IS. AND HEARING FROM THE TWO COUNTIES AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WERE INVITED AND

I WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY. I CLARIFY THAT CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: A LOT OF CLARIFICATION I NEED.

APRIL 1, SPECIFIC TIME, SPECIFIC PLACE, AN AGENDA.

AND IT IS VERY, VERY INFORMAL. IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND ISSUES IN MY CORNER OF THE COUNTY WHICH BORDERS PUTNAM AND FLAGLER COUNTY THAT WE CAN HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ADMINISTRATION ADDRESS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS FROM PUTNAM AND FLAGLER COUNTY. WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT TO FLAGLER STATE TO THE NORTH END OF FLAGLER COUNTY WHICH IS -- NOT -- LET'S JUST PUT THIS WAY. WE AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY DO MOST OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE RESCUE THERE.

AND THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT IS ISSUE.

AGRICULTURE IS DEFINITELY COUPLED WITH THE TRI-COUNTY AREA. WE HAVE A LOT IN COMMON AND IF I HAVE AN ISSUE -- I DON'T MIND THE CHAIRMAN GOING, BUT TO INVITE ALL BOARDS TO GO AND PARTICIPATE, GROWN THAT WOULD BE QUITE FUTILE AND LESS EFFECTIVE UNLESS WE HAD OUR DIRECTED COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS TO HANDLE SOME OF THOSE ISSUE.

THAT IS MY TAKE ON IT. IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC TIME.

WE KNOW THE DATE IS APRIL 1 THAT HAS A PARTICULAR CONNOTATION ASSOCIATED WITH IT AS WELL, TIME, PLACE AND AGENDA, IT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL AND NONETHELESS, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND CERTAINLY SEND WITH YOU PLENTY OF THEM OR GIVE

THEM TO MR. CONRAD ANYWAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. WHAT ON MY NOTES APRIL 1 FROM 9 A.M. TO 12 P.M. AGAIN, THE INITIAL CONVERSATION STARTED AS VERY INFORMAL. SOME ADDITIONAL -- FLAGLER COUNTY WANTED TO ADD OTHER BOARD MEMBERS APPEAR WHERE WE ARE KIND OF HEADING. MY TAKE IS UP ON THE BOARD.

I ALWAYS WANTED TO TALK TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND TO LEARN

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I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER PROCEDURES WE NEED TO FOLLOW WITH APPROVAL IS NOT JUST ME ACTING ON -- IF I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THAT IF THAT IS GOING TO BE A WORKSHOP.

AS WE GO ALONG, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THE MEETING WITH MARION COUNTY, ALACHUA AND PUTNAM A LITTLE LESS FORMAL THAN MAYBE THIS IS TURNING I INTO.

YOU RAISED GREAT POINTS. GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

YES, SIR? >> PAUL WALDRON: I WAS GOING T KIND OF ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH.

A SET AGENDA -- AS SOON AS WE HAVE IT, THAT THE ADMINISTRATORS ARE NOT HANDLING IT IS ONE THING.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I THINK BOTH BOARDS -- THE OTHER BOARDS ARE THINKING OF SOMETHING BIGGER BECAUSE WE CANCELLED THE NORTHEAST EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT THREE OF US SIT ON, ONE FROM EACH COUNTY, EXPECTING US TO GO AND ATTEND AND I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN A TIME.

JUST A DATE. I DO KNOW OTHER COUNTIES MAY BE PLANNING ON IT TO TO BE A LITTLE MORE THAN WE ARE

THINKING AT THIS TIME. >> JEB SMITH: --

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. 9-12 WHERE?

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AT WORLD FIELD.

AND PUTNAM COUNTY HAS REQUESTED THAT -- THEY ARE CHECKING ON SCHEDULING IF THEY ARE ABLE TO FACILITATE IN ONE OF THEIR FACILITIES. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I WANT TO GET BACK -- AND I GOT A LITTLE ALIST FROM BRAD BOLTIC NEGOTIATION OUR OFFICE. UP UNTIL 2015, A STATUTE THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT THE BOARD CAN MEET ANYWHERE IN THE CO COUNTY. NOT OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.

THAT WAS APPARENTLY CHANGED IN 2016 SO THAT THE BOARD MAY MEET WITH ONE OR MORE ADJACENT GOVERNING BOARDS.

AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THAT RESTRICTION IS -- IS NOW

GONE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO JUST TO CLARIFY, NO LEGAL RESTRICTION ON US GOING TO A WORKSHOP OR PARTICIPATING COLLECTIVELY IN A WORKSHOP?

[INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT, THE BOARD MAY -- I AM READING FROM 125.001, BOARD MEETINGS AND NOTICE.

THE BOARD MAY HOLD JOINT MEETINGS WITH GOVERNING BODY OR ONE OR MORE ADJACENT COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES TO DISCUSS MATTERS REGARDING LAND DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND ANY OTHER MATTERS OF MUTUAL INTEREST -- IN OTHER WORDS, VERY BROAD. TO PARTICIPATE IN A JOINT PUBLIC MEETING, THE GOVERNING BODY OF A COUNTY MUNICIPALITY MUST FIRST ADDRESS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUCH PARTICIPATION.

AND NO OFFICIAL VOTE MAY BE TAKEN AT A JOINT MEETING.

SO THERE WE GO. SO TECHNICALLY I THINK A RESOLUTION WILL BE DONE SO TO MEET WITH OTHER COUNTY BOARDS.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THE RESOLUTION REQUIRES A PUBLIC

HEARING. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: RIGHT,

IT WOULD. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE ARE IN PUBLIC HEARING IF IT IS NOTICED FOR THAT.

WELL, I THINK -- I THINK AT THIS POINT -- WELL, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? OKAY. I THINK IF -- I THINK AT THIS POINT IN -- IN -- BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A RESO RESOLUTION. I DON'T -- PATRICK, SOMETHING WE CAN DO TODAY? I MEAN I HAVEN'T THROUGHLY RESEARCHED THE LEGALITIES OF THIS.

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: I THINK IT IS A LITTLE AWKWARD -- WE DON'T HAVE A RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF YOU AND WHATNOT.

I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE PUTNAM COUNTY ATTORNEY.

NOT SURE HOW MUCH OR WHAT THEY HAD DONE AND NOW IT IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR COUNTY. SO IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE FOR THEM BLOCKER BLOCK I THINK IT WILL BE PRUDENT NOW THAT THE BOARD IS AWARE OF THIS REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNTERPART, AND I WILL REACH OUT TO CHAIRMAN HARVEY AND YOU REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNTERPART AND I AM HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD. I HAVE A BROAD SUGGEST AGENDA, TALK ABOUT CRIME, MENTAL HEALTH, AGRICULTURE.

VERY BROAD. I AM HAPPY TO GO AND LISTEN AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD WHAT IS DISCUSSED.

IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOUTH CAROLINA MORE FORMAL, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT STEPS WE WILL NEED TO DO THAT.

HOW DOES THAT SOUND TO -- >> HENRY DEAN: FINE BY ME.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

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>> WHAT THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS IS AND MORE INFORMATION.

I AM VERY CONCERNED WHEN WE HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE LOSING BUSINESSES AND FIGHTING TO STAY IN THEIR HOMES.

WE HAVE IN THE PAPER PUBLICIZING WE ARE SPENDING $3 MILLION ON A MOSQUITO MUSEUM AND A PLAYGROUND OF MOSQUITO.

OF ALL THE REQUESTS I GET DAILY AND YOU AS WELL.

I NEVER HAD A DEMAND FOR A MOSQUITO MUSEUM.

THIS IS THE FIRST FOR ME. I AM SURE THERE IS MORE INFORMATION THAT I AM NOT TRACKING OR YOU AS INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS HAVE CONCERN. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AS BOARD TO GET MORE INFORMATION. IF OUR HANDS ARE TIED I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS BECAUSE AT FIRST GLANCE, THIS STRIKES ME AS WASTEFUL AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW. MY REQUEST WOULD BE TO BRING THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE MOSQUITO CONTROL BOARD.

ASK FOR CLARIFICATION. AND TO GO FROM THERE.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE LEAD ON THIS.

I SAW THE SAME THING AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOSQUITO BOARD DOES DERIVE THEIR AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE.

FUNDING FROM THE STATE. AS WE ALL KNOW, THAT WE MIGHT GET LUMPED IN WITH THEM. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE A STRONG LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, HEY, LOOK, THIS IS PERHAPS WASTEFUL SPENDING AND WE DON'T SUPPORT THIS SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE NOT FUNDING THIS OR IN ANY WAY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP TO ME, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THE COUPLE OF DAYS IT HAS BEEN IN

THE PUBLIC. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I APPRECIATE IT. I WANT TO KNOW IF COUNTY FUNDING WILL BE USED FOR THIS? -- I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: I AGREE WITH YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. TO GET ANSWERS AS A COUNTY COMMISSION AND A COMMISSIONER. I HAVE QUESTIONS BUT NUMBER ONE THE ANASTASIA MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT CREATED BY A SPECIAL ACT OF THE LEGISLATURE. THEY GET ALL OF THEIR FUNDING FROM A SEPARATE AD VALOREM TAX BY THE MOSQUITO BOARD A JUST LIKE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GETS LORMZ REVIEW THROUGH AD VAL VALOREM. NO MONEY IS BEING AS I UNDERSTAND IS SPENT FOR THIS. AS A RESIDENT WHO IS TAXPAYER OF ANASTASIA ISLAND, SERIOUS QUESTIONS.

THE ARTICLE -- I READ THE ARTICLE.

THE HEADLINE SORT OF CAUGHT THE BUZZ OF THE MUSEUM, BUT IN THE ARTICLE, THERE ARE FIVE OR SIX OTHER ACT 80S THIS ARE BEING DONE, SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND SOME ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT.

BUT I DON'T SEE AS I SIT HERE AS A RESIDENT AND TAXPAYER THE LOGIC OF SPENDING $3 MILLION TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE A MUSEUM AND CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I FIND RELATIVELY UNNECESSARY, FRANKLY, AS A MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT. JUST WHAT THEIR FUNCTIONS ARE.

AS AN ASIDE, I WILL TELL YOU I HAVE LOOKED INTO THIS A LITTLE

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WHEN THE MUD STARTS FLYING IT LANDS ON US TOO BECAUSE WE ARE ST. JOHNS COUNTY, RIGHT. WE ARE ALL LOPPED INTO ONE.

I CERTAINLY SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST OR ACTION ON A LETTER

ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ACT ABSOLUTELY. MR. MCCORMICK.

>> PAUL WALDRON: ONE THING I SAY THAT THEY RAISED THE MILITARY TWO TIMES OUT OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THAT IS WASTEFUL TO ME. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY. KOPP COMMISSIONER SMITH?

OKAY. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, YOU PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY 1,000 AND ONE. NOBODY LIKES A SURPRISE AND THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A SURPRISE ON THIS.

AND AT THIS POINT, THERE IS KIND OF A KIND OF NEW CONCEPT THAT IT IS HARD TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A POSITION ON IT OTHER THAN MAYBE GETTING SOME MORE INFORMATION.

I WOULD SAY AS A START, I MEAN, AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY DEED AND SEE IF THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS OR NOT ANY RESTRICTIONS.

THE TRAFFIC FOR THIS WILL BE GOING UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE -- YOU KNOW, THE SAME ENTRANCE ROAD TO THE -- THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CENTER. THE SHERIFF TRAINING FACILITY.

ARE THERE ANY ISSUES THERE OR NOT.

AND TO THE EXTEND THAT THIS MUSEUM IS SOME TYPE OF TOU TOURISM-TYPE RELATED TYPE THING.

WAS IT BROACHED AT ALL WITH THE -- I GUESS THE MECHANISM AND THE COUNTIES PERTAINING TO TOURIST AND TOURIST ATTRACTION AND PLANS. I THINK THESE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

CONSENSUS HAVE THE BOARD. I WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO DRAFT

A LETTER TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: I WILL ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THERE IS DIRECTION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR SENDING A LETTER OF INQUIRY TO THE MOSQUITO DISTRICT INVOLVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DIFFERENT NUMBER FACILITY ITEMS INCLUDING A MUSEUM FOR -- ON THEIR SITE. I SEE A CALL WAITING.

IS THERE A CALL ON THIS ITEM INVOLVING THE MOSQUITO CONTROL

DISTRICT? >> BOX 384.

EDSLAVIN.COM. Y'ALL DISCUSSED THREE THINGS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I CALLED IN FOR ONE OF THEM.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MOSQUITO CONTROL ISSUE.

I LOOKED AT THE PRESENTATION OF THE AN STAY SHAL SHAH CONTROL DISTRICT THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY DID ON THE MOSQUITO MUSEUM.

I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA AND WE HAVE TREMENDOUS RESOURCES HERE IN FLORIDA, HERE IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE CENTER FOR MEDICAL AND VETERINARY ENTOMOLOGY IS IN GAINESVILLE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. AND ALL THESE TOURISTS GOING UP AND DOWN I-95 AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO STOP FOR SOMETHING INTERESTING FOR KIDS. THIS COULD MAKE MONEY.

IT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA. AND I WANT TO DEFEND THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT WITH AN ATTACK FROM FIVE REPUBLICANS THAT I JUST HEARD. I DON'T THINK THEY LEARN ANYTHING FROM BACK IN 2008 AND 2010 WHEN MICHAEL DAVID W WONCHECK SAW DOLLAR SIGNS AND THOUGHT WE TAKE OVER THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT. WE VALUE INDEPENDENT SCIENTIFIC ADVICE ON MOSQUITO. AND THE MAIN ONE BEHIND IT.

HE SAID THAT IF THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TOOK IT OVER, THEY WOULD GIVE MOSQUITO CONTROL 15-MINUTE ATTENTION A YEAR AND WOULD PUT IT IN THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.

PUT IT IN ROAD AND BRIDGE. THAT IS A HORRIBLE IDEA.

THE REASON WE HAVE 18 INDEPENDENT MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BECAUSE THIS IS A SCIENTIFIC MATTER. A SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL DECISION AND THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY USES NATURAL PESTICIDES THANKS TO JEANNIE MOLLER, TH THREE-TIME CANCER SURVIVOR. WE ARE NOT POISONING PEOPLE ANYMORE WITH MOSQUITO CONTROL. WE ARE USING GAMBUSA FISH TO

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WE HAVE A GREAT MOSQUITO -- DO NOT MUCK THIS UP AND DO NOT PUT SOMETHING LIKE ON THE AGENDA WITH NO ADVANCED PUBLIC NOTICE.

THIS A SNEAK ATTACK BORDERING ON DECEMBER 7 OF 1941.

YOU REMEMBER WHAT FDR SAID ABOUT THAT.

I REALLY THINK THIS STINKS AND LOOKS LIKE A COORDINATED EFFORT BY FIVE COMMISSIONERS RAISING THE SAME ISSUE.

YOU SHOULD HAVE AN -- ASK FOR THE MOSQUITO COMMISSIONERS TO COME TO SPEAK TODAY IF YOU WERE GOING TO BRING THIS UP.

LOCK OF DIPLOMACY AND COURTESY WITH A COLLEGIAL BODY AND MY GRANDMOTHER WOULD SAY DROP THE OYSTER AND LEAVE.

ON AIRPORT, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. WE DON'T DESTROY MORE FOREST OR DESTROYING MORE LAND AND THIS AREA THE AIRPORT COMES DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO AREAS THAT WERE PURCHASED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO BE SELECTED FOREVER.

I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

I DON'T THINK STAFF KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THIS SORT OF STUFF WITHOUT ALLOWING

MEANINGFUL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, ED.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? THE MOSQUITO CONTROL LETTER? SEEING NONE.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES IT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF AND DRAFT A LETTER. THANK YOU.

I WANT TO BRING UP NEXT. I WANT TO BRING UP MR. MCCORMICK, YOU PRESENTED US WITH A LETTER DATED MARCH 3.

AND IN THIS LETTER YOU OUTLINED THAT YOUR INTENT TO -- NOT GO BEYOND YOUR CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT ENDS SEPTEMBER 30, 2021. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BRING IT NOW. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF YOUR LETTER APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION, AND ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY ROSS HERE.

ADVISE US ON THIS. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. THE COUNTY BY ORDINANCE AS COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THE ORDINANCE PROVIDES THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BY CONTRACT. THE PRESENT CONTRACT FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY, MYSELF, GOES TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2021.

THAT IS ABOUT SIX AND A HALF MONTHS AWAY.

AND BY THE WAY, I AM SPEAKING TO YOU NOW AS YOUR -- YOUR CONTRACTED PARTY, ATTORNEY FOR ADVICE ABOUT THE CONTRACT, LEGAL ADVICE DEPUTY REQUEEN IN ROSS IS FOR THE CANS AND CANNOT DO'S LEGALLY WITH THE CONTRACT, ETC.

SEEING HOW THAT TIME FRAME IS NOT THAT FAR AWAY BASICALLY SIX AND A HALF MONTHS. I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION THAT THAT TIME FRAME IS COMING.

MY INTENDED PLAN OF RETIREMENT WOULD BE AT THE END OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT. , WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 30.

I DID NOTE IN THERE IF THE BOARD CONSIDERS IT ADVANTAGEOUS I WOULD CONSIDER SOME EXTENSION OF TIME IF THE BOARD WANTS TO OR DOESN'T WANT TO, THAT WILL BE FINE AND GO TO SEPTEMBER 30.

I WANTED TO PUT THE ISSUE UP IN THE AIR FOR THE BOARD BECAUSE SIX MONTHS GOES BY VERY QUICKLY AND MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS THAT THIS BOARD RECEIVE UNINTERRUPTED QUALITY LEGAL SERVICES AND ANY TRANSITION, WHETHER IT BE ON OR BEFORE OR AFTER SEPTEMBER 30, YOU KNOW, BE AS SMOOTHLY DONE AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT IS BEST FOR THE BOARD. I THINK THAT IS BEST FOR OUR TEAMMATES AND ADMINISTRATION AND COUNTY DEPARTMENTS.

AND I WILL SAY -- AND IF I MAY PUT IN A PLUG, I FEEL THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OFFICE -- ST STAFF, I WORK VERY HARD TO HAVE A GOOD STAFF AND I WANT CONFIDENCE WHEN TRANSITION TAKES PLACE THAT IT WILL BE DONE SMOOTHLY AND NOT WITHOUT A LOT OF DRAMA, WHATNOT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

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ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT. >> HUNTER CONRAD: MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU WHAT THE COST WILL BE.

YOU KNOW HISTORICALLY -- WHEN YOU BEGIN A COUNTY ADMINISTRATION SEARCH AND COUNTY ATTORNEY SEARCH, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS DIFFERENT PRICE TAGS AND PRICE POINTS WITH THE PURVIEW OF THAT BOARD AND COMFORT LEVEL.

AS YOU MENTIONED THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COU COUNTIES.

THERE COULD BE A NATIONAL SEARCH THAT IS FUNDED WITH A CONSULTANT, HR DEPARTMENT OR HR DRIVEN OR POSTED LIKE OUR OTHER POSITIONS. THE APPROPRIATE THINGS TO DO IS TO TELL YOU THREE OF THOSE OPTIONS AND TO BRING IT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND DIRECTION AT A FUTURE AGENDA

MEETING. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. PUT THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BRING BACK WITH THE OPTIONS BEING THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COUNTY ATTORNEY ARE THE APPOINTED. AND MR. MCCORMICK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR GREAT WORK AS WELL. AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE FURTHER TIME WORKING TOGETHER. ANYTHING FURTHER WOULD YOU LIKE

TO ADD AT THIS TIME. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: I THINK

THAT IS IT ABOUT THAT TOPIC. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: JACOBY ELLSBURY FROM THE BOARD? CONSENSUS ON BRUTING THIS ON THE AGENDA? SO IF WE CAN LOOK AT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME, APRIL 6 IS GETTING

CROWDED. >> IF I MAY RECOMMEND, THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL OR THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY DEPENDING ON THE DOCKET GIVES HR TIME TO PREPARE WELL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PERFECT. LOOK FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL. LET ME SEE HERE.

OKAY, WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR LOOKING INTO THE LIBRARY CHAIRS. WE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK AND DO THAT.

WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS AND THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING INTO THAT.

CHECKING IN ON THAT AS WELL. JUST -- ONE MORE SCHEDULING ISSUE. I AM LOOKING CANCELLING THE JULY 6 BOARD MEETING. WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING LATER THAT MONTH. IN WILL GIVE STAFF AND EVERYONE -- OBVIOUSLY IT HAS BEEN A LONG -- TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TAKE VACATION. I AM LOOKING AT CANCELLING THE JULY 6 MEETING. JUST WANT TO PUT THAT -- BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. SEE IF THERE IS ANY FEEDBACK OR CONCERNS ABOUT DOING THAT. YES, SIR?

>> THAT HAS BE TOO VOTE? >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: MIGHT WANT PUBLIC COMMENT BLOCKER PWLOYBINGZ UNDERSTAND.

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AND IF ANYBODY HAS. >> HE PWIVX?

>> APRIL 6. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: YOU WANT TO CANCEL APRIL 6? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS OF CA CANCELLING? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS.

A FORMAL VOTE. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: YES, S

SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OPEN UP

FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON CA CANCELLING THE JULY 6 COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> ED SLAVIN, BOX 3084. I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I SUPPORT FULL FLORIDA BAR SEARCH FOR A NEW COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THANK MR. MCCORMICK FOR THE SERVICE SUCH AS IT WAS.

HE COST US TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

HE CAN'T LEAVE SOON ENOUGH FOR ME.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: OKAY.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE JULY 6

CANCELLATION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. I WANT TO, AGAIN, JUST THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR GREAT SERVICE.

UP TO THIS POINT. WE HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED REPEATEDLY AS BEING THE TOP IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW AS FAR AS VACCINATIONS. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE HARD WORK OF OUR STAFF. AND I APPRECIATE OUR STAFF VERY QUICKLY AND RAPIDLY JUMPING INTO THAT.

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THANK YOU OUR THE WHOLE TEAM. THANK YOU FOR THE EMPLOYEE THAT'S TOOK OFF FROM WORK AND WENT IN AN ANSWERED PHONE CALLS AND THAT WAS TREMENDOUS. GREAT WORK BY MR. GIAMOCA FROM HIS TEAM. HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY.

IT IS IMPORTANT FOR IRISH OF CATHOLICISM AND I WANT TO READ A QUOTE FROM SAINT PATRICK'S, A STRENGTH OF GOD PILOT US, THE WISDOM OF GOD INSTRUCT US. HAND OF GOD PROTECT US AND THE

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FOR IRISH CATHOLICS THAT CA CARRYYS A LOT OF MEANING.

FOR EASTER A SACRED TIME WE CELEBRATE FOR THOSE MUCH THE CHRISTIAN FAITH TO CELEBRATE THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYONE A HAPPY EASTER AND THAT CONCLUDES MY LENGTHY REMARKS.

MR. MCCORMICK. GO FOR YOU FOR COUNTY ATTORNEY

REPORT. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO BRIEFLY COMMENT ON THE BOARD GOALS. THAT WAS SOMETHING AS MR. CONRAD HAD MENTIONED THAT WAS DONE IN 2013.

HAD NOT BE FORMALLY UPDATED SINCE THEN.

AND IN MY VIEW, MR. CONRAD TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO UPDATE THOSE. THEY ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL ADMINISTRATION RECOGNIZED THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE BOARD.

AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY AS PART OF YOUR ST. JOHNS COUNTY TEAM. I GET FEEDBACK EVERY DAY ON A LOT OF THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS THAT, OF COURSE, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL. IN ELECTED BOARD GETS, AGAIN, PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY AND WEEKENDS AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION. AND I FEEL THAT -- I WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. SECONDLY, I WANTED TO GO BACK FOR A MOMENT TO THE MARCH 2, 2021 BOCC MEETING IN WHICH I INDICATED I WOULD REVIEW A MATTER AND KIND OF GIVE A BRIEFING BACK TO YOU WHICH I AM NOW PREPARED TO DO.

AT THAT MEETING, WE HAD A PUBLIC COMMENT OR COMMENTER AS PART OF COMMENTS -- AND THIS IS KIND OF AN UNOFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT. I HAD OUR OFFICE DO.

BUT COMMISSIONERS, THE SECOND -- AND I AM READING FROM THE CONSTITUENTS' COMMENTS. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT IS COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST NOW FOR -- FOR A SIMPLE ONE, THE CONTRACT BETWEEN MACK MCCLEOD AND HIS LAW FIRM AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY.

IT IS MONTH WHY T IS PATRICK MCCORMICK STALLING THIS.

AND LATER ON IN THAT INDIVIDUAL'S PUBLIC COMMENT.

NOW I AM ASKING YOU COMMISSIONERS TO REQUEST PATRICK WHY CAN'T I GET THAT PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT I HAVE A COUNTY AND AN ENTIRE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ALL CLAMMING UP, NOT PRODUCING A SIMPLE PUBLIC RECORD. YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY WITH COMMON SENSE WOULD THINK CORRUPTION.

LATER ON, I THINK THE CHAIR MADE SOME COMMENTS AND THEN I COMMENTED BACK. I FELT THAT THE WAY THE MATTER HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP, I FELT IN MY SENSE WAS AN AMBUSH.

BUT I DID INDICATE NUMBER TWO I WOULD BRIEF THE BOARD ON THE REQUEST AND THE RESPONSE. WE GET LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC RECORD REQUESTS. I WILL LOOK AT THIS ONE.

I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE RESPONDED PROMPTLY AND ACCURATELY. AND I WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU.

SO I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND REVIEW.

THE SUBJECT REQUEST AS I COULD IDENTIFY IT WAS MADE OCTOBER 30, 2020. SO SOME MONTHS AGO AT :47 A.M.

THE REQUEST -- 8:47 A.M. THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO THE BOCC PUB RECORDS, ALSO ME INDIVIDUALLY -- PUBLIC RECORDS, ALSO ME INDIVIDUALLY PATRICK MCCORMICK AND BECKY YONEY FROM THE COUNCIL ON AGING. SO THE REQUEST, PLEASE SEND ME A COPY OF ALL CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE MACK MCCLEOD AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY. CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE MCCLEOD LAW FIRM AND THE BUS COMPANY. A SIMPLE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. I AM ONLY REQUESTING THE

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THAT WAS MADE OCTOBER 30 AT 8:47 A.M.

SO ONE HOUR AND THREE MINUTES LATER, MISS YONEY RESPONDED TO THE MAKER OF THE REQUEST. COUNCIL ON AGING HAS NO RECORDS PERTAINING TO YOUR REQUEST. THE ADVERTISING OF THE SUNSHINE BUSES IS HANDLED BY THE COUNTY. THAT CAME FROM MISS YONEY.

AND THEN THE SAME MORNING AT 10:13 A.M.

LESS THAN TWO HOURS FROM THE REQUEST, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, PUBLIC RECORDS PROGRAM RESPONDED, GOOD MORNING, REYNOLDS. ATTACHED ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER REQUESTS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

WHAT WAS ATTACHED WERE -- WE HAVE IT ALL -- THE PHYSICAL COPYRIGHT HERE. BUT IT WAS THE -- THE CONTRACT THE COUNTY'S CONTRACT FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BUS ADVERTISING SERVICES. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.

PUBLIC -- PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BUS ADVERTISING SERVICES.

AND THE CONTRACT IS BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE -- THE PREVAILING PARTY OUT OF AN RFP WHICH IS HYBRID DESIGN INCORPORATED AND THIS EXPLAINS HOW THE ADVERTISING ON THE BUSS IS DONE. IF ANYONE READ THROUGH THIS, THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, LIKELY DETERMINE THAT THE SPECIFIC THING ASKED FOR, WHICH WAS CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE MCLEOD LAW FIRM AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY DID NOT EXIST.

WE HAD NO RECORD THAT ONE WOULD EXIST.

BUT WITH THIS, IT WOULD EXPLAIN HOW THE ADVERTISING ON THE BUSES WAS DONE. ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE MAKER OF THE REQUEST LESS THAN TWO HOURS AFTER THE REQUEST WAS MADE. AND, AGAIN, AS PART OF THAT, THESE MATERIALS WHICH EXPLAIN HOW THAT ADVERTISING IS DONE.

AND IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE BETWEEN THE MCLEOD LAW FIRM AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY. SO THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THAT SPECIFIC DOCUMENT. BUT ALSO, INCLUDED WAS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER REQUESTS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

THAT WAS, AGAIN, OCTOBER 30 2020.

SOME MONTHS AGO. THE REQUESTER, AS FAR AS I KNOW, DID NOT ASK FOR FURTHER REQUEST ON THIS GENERAL TOPIC.

NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, UNLESS MARCH 2 WHERE THE REQUESTER ACTUALLY AND IN PUBLIC COMMENT AND MADE THE STATEMENTS THAT I HAD JUST READ OUT.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE REQUESTER ASKED FOR SPECIFIC DOCUMENT THAT APPARENTLY DOESN'T EXIST BUT WAS GIVEN THE MATERIALS WHICH WOULD INDICATE HOW THE REQUESTER COULD GET SOME DOCUMENT ON THE GENERAL TOPIC WHICH WAS ADVERTISING ON -- ON THE BUSES WHO HAD IT, AND ANY AGREEMENT THAT MIGHT APPLY THERE AFTER THAT, THE SAME INDIVIDUAL WHO MADE THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT SENT OUT AN E-MAIL -- THIS IS TWO DAYS AFTER THE MARCH 2, BOCC MEETING, THURSDAY MARCH 4. AND WENT OUT TO 40-PLUS E-MAIL RECIPIENTS INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, VARIOUS PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, NEWSPAPERS, ETC.

AND IN IT, THE SUBJECT WAS -- THIS IS THE SUBJECT.

AMBUSHED, NO, PATRICK, YOU WERE CONFRONTED AND YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN SEEKING THE CONTRACT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND MACK MCCLEOD'S LOUD FIRM. THAT IS A DOCUMENT THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REQUESTED ON OCTOBER 30.

AS FAR AS WE COULD DETERMINE SINCE THAT TIME.

SO WE CONSTRUED THIS AS A NEW REQUEST.

AND IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND RESPONDED TO TIMELY.

AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THERE IS NO CONTRACT BETWEEN THE

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AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE SPECIFIC DOCUMENTS HE WAS ASKING FOR DID NOT EXIST. MR. CHAIR, I HOPE THAT

EXPLANATION -- >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I APPRECIATE THAT, PATRICK. THE BOARD TAKES ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE COUNTY SERIOUSLY. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AND I ASKED MR. MCCORMICK ABOUT THESE ALLEGATIONS AND HE DID UPDATE ME ON WHAT HAPPENED AND GOING FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO DO THAT.

AS PART OF THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM AND WE TALK ABOUT IT EVERY MEETING. NOT DISRUPTING MEETING.

AND NOT MAKING PERSONAL AND ISLAND DERR RUSS REMARKS.

YOU DON'T GET TO GO IN THE COURT ROOM AND A COURT OF LAW WITH A JUDGE AND CARRY ON. THESE ARE NOT FORUMS FOR POLITICAL DEMONSTRATIONS. BUSINESS MEETINGS AND AS A CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD IT IS MY DUTY TO FACILITY I HATE IT.

AND WE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF PUBLIC.

NOT HERE TO CONDUCT A DEMONSTRATION.

THEY WERE HERE FOR US TO LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS.

IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND MY JOB AS A CHAIRMAN TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS REASONABLY HEARD AND GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD WHICH WE DO, EVEN THOUGH THAT COMPLAINT OF NOT HAVING PUBLIC COMMENT, WE STILL HEAR FROM AS THEY MAKE THE COMPLAINTS. I WANT TO MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR, WE ARE GOING TO CONDUCT ORDERLY BUSINESS MEETINGS.

YOU ACCUSE A STAFF MEMBER A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR -- A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR CRIMINAL ATTORNEY OF ACTS OF WRONGDOING, MY OPINION IS TO GIVE THEM TO RESPOND.

A SERIOUS ALLEGATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR CONCERNS FOR MR.

MCCORMICK? >> I'LL JUST SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE ACT OF DECOR TROUM EVERYBODY.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: I WANT TO SAY I TRY TO DO THIS JOB WITHOUT FEAR OR FAVOR. IF SOMEBODY MAKES ACCUSATIONS AND CALL NAMES, THAT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT IS NOT A REAL ISSUE FOR ME, BUT I FEEL LIKE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS NOT A SIDEWALK BY BOTH FEDERAL LAW AND FLORIDA LAW, THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE GUIDELINES FOR YOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS.

AGAIN, THIS IS -- THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED A LIMITED PUBLIC FORUM. THERE CAN BE REASONABLE RULES.

IN FACT, YOUR -- YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES WERE DEVELOPED OUT -- OUT OF THE FEDERAL LAW LANGUAGE.

CASE LAW LANGUAGE THAT CAME DOWN.

AND IN FACT EVEN THE -- THE RIGHT TO SPEAK STATUTE PROVIDES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND AGENCIES HAVE RULES OF DECORUM AND THAT IS WITHIN THE LAW. I DID WANT TO MENTION THOUGH THAT, AGENDA, IF ANY PARTICULAR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS UPSET OR WHATNOT TYPE OF THING, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE, SORT OF THE ACCUSATIONS, THE NAME-CALLING, THIS TYPE OF THING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT AS PRODUCTIVE OR CONSTRUCTIVE. IF SOMEBODY IS SEEKING SOME INFORMATION AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY OUR OFFICE HAD OFFERED, YOU KNOW -- IF THERE IS A FURTHER REQUEST, PLEASE LET US KNOW. AND OUT OF MY OWN CURIOSITY, I SORT OF DUG DOWN INTO, AGAIN, THAT DOCUMENT THAT HAD BEEN PROVIDED OCTOBER 30 AND WHERE THAT LED.

IF THERE WERE FOLLOW-UP REQUESTS.

AND THERE IS SOME INFORMATION SHOULD THE REQUESTER MAKE A FOLLOW-UP REQUEST TO TRY TO GET AT MAYBE ULTIMATELY WHAT HE WAS TRYING FIND AS SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION.

SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE OPEN.

WE TAKE THEM AS WE SEE THEM. WE TRY TO CALL IT FAIRLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO REMARK, TOO, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

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HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE A VERY PROFESSIONAL STAFF.

I DON'T REVIEW EACH AND EVERY ITEM PERSONALLY OF THE HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS. I DON'T VET THEM INDIVIDUALLY FOR ALL OF THEM. SOME THAT -- SOME INDIVIDUALLY I DO. THIS ONE I DID NOT.

BUT, I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OFFICE BUT JUST TO SAY SOMETIMES THAT MAKING A BLANKET ACCUSATION OR THAT TIME A THING MAY NOT BE PRODUCTIVE. SOMETIMES SOME DIALOGUE.

I WILL NOTE FOR THE ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED HERE, I HAVE REACHED OUT TO HIM IN A NUMBER OCCASIONS AND SAID IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE THINGS, I AM OPEN TO DO THAT. THAT REMAINS MY POSITION.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. MCCORMACK. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND ALLOWS MAXIMUM PARTICIPATION. WE APPRECIATE OUR CITIZENS THAT CALL IN AND WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO TO.

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: IF I MAY ONE MORE.

MISS CALADY. CAN YOU STAND UP ONE SECOND.

I WAS GOING TO GO TO THAT PO POINT.

MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFEND AT LEAST THE PRESENCE OF BEING ABLE TO STAND UP IN A MEETING.

BECAUSE YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY DOES LIKE TO STAND UP AS YOU SEE ME DO SOMETIMES. I DO THINK IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO MARCH DOWN AND DEMONSTRATE AND THIS TYPE OF THING, SOME TYPE OF DISRUPTIVE TYPE OF THING.

BUT IF I MAY, IF SOMEBODY IS STANDING UP JUST TO STRETCH AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COMMONLY DOES.

I WANTED TO JUST PUT A LITTLE PLUG IN FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I CALL ON MISS CALADY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.