Mar 02, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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THIS MEETING OF MARCH 2ND MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE THE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING EMAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE OR WATCHING THE MEETING VIA G TV OR STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE ALSO PROVIDES A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL IN TO THIS MEETING.

EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENTS, PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT AND ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PLEASE CALL BACK.

IN ADDITION, PLEASE SELF-TIME THE THREE MINUTES TIME LIMIT BECAUSE THE THREE-MINUTE COMMENT TIMER MAY NOT BE VISIBLE TO YOU.

FINALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU'RE WAITING TO COMMENT AND MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN SPEAKING. THERE MAY BE A 30-SECOND DELAY IN THE VISUAL PRESENTATIONS. IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE'LL RECESS BRIEFLY WHILE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED AND THEN RESUME THE MEETING.

THERE ARE MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING AVAILABLE UNDER THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES.

YOU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEMS TO ACCESS ALL THE SUPPORTING MATERIAL. AT THIS TIME, WILL THE CLERK

CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? >> CHAIR BLOCKER.

>> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR DEAN.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PRESENT. >> AT THIS TIME HEAR THE

INVOCATION. >> LET US PRAY.

LORD GOD, YOU ARE THE FOUNDATION OF OUR CITY, OUR HOPE, OUR ROCK, OUR FORTRESS. BLESS THESE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. GRANT THEM THE SHARE OF YOUR WISDOM. GRANT THEM A SHARE OF YOUR JUSTICE SO EQUALITY MAY BE FOR THE COMMON GOOD.

AND GRANT THEM A SHARE OF YOUR HUMILITY SO THEY MAY BE YOUR SERVANTS IN THE WORLD. THESE THINGS WE ASK USING YOUR

HOLY NAME, AMEN. >> THANK YOU, FATHER KEN.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE PLEDGE. >> PLEASE JOIN IN THE PLEDGE OF OUR GREAT NATION. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MIGHT BEFORE THE BOARD CONVENES FOR ITS BUSINESS TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD TO ALLOW ME TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

LAST THURSDAY NIGHT THE VETERANS COUNCIL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WAS PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO HONOR OUR COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER, SIR, WITH THE COLONEL ED TAYLOR AWARD, THE VETVETERANS COUNCIL T PRESTIGIOUS AWARD AND WE WERE HONORED TO HAVE YOU THERE AS THE RECI RECIPIENT.

COLONEL ED TAYLOR WAS THE FIRST CHAIRMAN OF THE VETVETERANS COUL IN 2001. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO READ WHAT WAS SAID AND STATED AT THE PRESENTATION OF THE COLONEL ED TAYLOR AWARD FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND ALL OTHERS WHO ARE HERE THIS MORNING.

FOR YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT FOR THE VETERANS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE VETERANS COUNCIL OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE WITH OUR MOST PRESTIGIOUS AWARD THE COLONEL ED

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YOUR LEADERSHIP IN PURSUING THIS REPURPOSING OF THE VA COMMUNITY OUTPATIENT CLINIC TO HOW IS OUR HOMELESS VETERANS, PROVIDING OUR VETERANS WITH A RESERVE PARKING SPACE AT OUR COUNTY BUILDINGS, PROVIDING THE LEADERSHIP FOR OUR FIRE WATCH PROGRAM, AND HONORING THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED BY HAVING A VETERAN OPEN OUR COUNTY COMMISSION MEETINGS, AS YOU HAVE WITNESSED HERE THIS MORNING, WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, IS BUT SO OF THE MANY WAYS YOU'VE FOUND TO HONOR OUR VETERANS IN YOUR POSITION AS AS ELECTED COMMISSIONER OF THIS GREAT COUNTY.

AND WITH THAT, WE PRESENTED THE COLONEL ED TAYLOR AWARD.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO INFORM THE BOARD THIS MORNING THAT WE ALSO RECOGNIZED ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE ADMINISTRATION HERE, OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS ON HAND AND HE RECEIVED FROM JUDGE HOWARD MCGILLAN THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT COIN FOR RECOGNITION OVER THE YEARS AND HE WAS OUR GUEST SPEAKER AT THE LAST GRADUATION LAST MONTH OF ONE OF OUR GRADUATES.

AND SO HE RECEIVED THE COIN, IF YOU WILL, THE VETERANS TREATMENT COURT COIN. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THAT. MANY OF THE ACCOLADES THAT I HAVE JUST SPOKEN HERE THIS MORNING ACTUALLY APPLY TO ALL OF THIS BOARD FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR VETERANS.

AND WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT OVER THE YEARS FOR OUR VETERANS IN THIS COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. DUDLEY, FOR THE BOARD ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU.

[Proclamation Recognizing March as Florida Archeology Month]

>> WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH OUR PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING MARCH 2021 AS FLORIDA ARCHAEOLOGY MONTH AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE FLORIDA PUBLIC ARCHAEOLOGY NETWORK TO THE PODIUM PLEASE.

WE HAVE SOME ON THE ZOOM AS WELL.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK [INDISCERNIBLE] IF YOU WOULD

COME AND READ THE PROCLAMATION. >> THE PROCLAMATION BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ST. JOHNS COUNTY, FLORIDA, WHEREAS MANY CULTURES HAVE MADE FLORIDA THEIR HOME FOR THE LAST 14,500 YEARS AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES REPRESENT THE ONLY RECORD OF HUMAN HISTORY IN FLORIDA, THERE BY UNDERSCORING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THOSE SITES. AND WHEREAS THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES REPRESENTING FLORIDA'S NATIVE AMERICAN, COLONIAL AFRICAN, COLONIAL EUROPEAN AND HISTORIC PEOPLE CONSTITUTE A UNIQUE AND IRREPLACEABLE RESOURCE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY RECOGNIZES THE SIGNIFICANCE AND ENCOURAGES THE PROTECTION AND USE OF THOSE REMAINS FOR ENRICHING THE COUNTY'S FUTURE. AND WHEREAS ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES CONTRIBUTE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE, EDUCATION, RECREATION, AND UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN HISTORY FOR FLORIDIANS AND VISITORS ALIKE AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY CELEBRATES THE ANNIVERSARY AND RECOGNIZES THE HERITAGE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

AND WHEREAS PUBLIC APPRECIATION UNDERSTANDING ARE THE FOUNDATION OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL PRESERVATION AND THE CORNER STONES.

NOW IT BE PROCLAIMED THAT MARCH 2021 BE DESIGNATED AT ARCHAEOLOGICAL MONTH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY COUNTY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE UNIQUE ARCHAEOLOGY THIS SECOND DAY OF MARCH 2021. ATTEST BRANDON J. PATTY, CLERK OF COURTS, SIGNED JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH THIS PROCLAMATION.

>> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS MERCEDES HAROLD AND I WANTED TO

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WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, ARCHAEOLOGISTS FROM THE COUNTY'S CULTURAL RESOURCES REVIEW BOARD, THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE LIGHTHOUSE PROGRAM. WE ARE CELEBRATING A BIG YEAR IN 2021. IT'S THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR COUNTY SINCE ITS CREATION, ONE OF THE TWO OLDEST COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND PREDATE THE STATE OF FLORIDA ACTUALLY. WE'LL HOLD ACTIVITIES, EVENTS, AND PROGRAMS HELPING CELEBRATE THE 200 YEARS.

AS PART OF ARCHAEOLOGY MONTH WE'LL CELEBRATE WHO HISTORY PARK WALKS IN CACANOPY SHORES AND BE POINT AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED VISIT THE COUNTY'S PARKS AND RECR RECREATION PAGE. THANK YOU ALL AND WE HOPE TO CELEBRATE WITH YOU ALL THE 200TH CELEBRATION OF THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PROCL

[Public Safety Update]

PROCLAMATION? >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR.

IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE. GOOD MORNING.

>> HEY, GOOD MORNING. HEY, I'M RUSS MARTIN, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. OPERATIONS INCORPORATES EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, OUR 911 COMMUNICATIONS CENTER AND TRAINING STAFF AND SPECIAL TEAMS. JUST A QUICK UPDATE I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR YOU ALL.

YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS AND TRAINING CENTER PROJECT. WE'RE EXCITED THAT MARCH IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT. A LOT OF TESTING AND EVALUATION BUT OUR TARGET IS APRIL 5TH. HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE PARTNERED WITH FIRE AND RESCUE. EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AND WE WILL BE OCCUPYING THAT NEW FACILITY NOT ONLY FOR OUR TRAINING BUT ALL OF OUR E911 AND COMMUNICATION NEEDS FOR THE COUNTY. A BIG HEAVY LIFT, A LOT STILL TO DO IN THE MONTH OF MARCH BUT COULDN'T BE MORE PROUD OF ALL OF THOSE INVOLVED AND WE'RE EXCITED TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE.

I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE OR PROVIDE COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> JUST VERY BRIEFLY, DON'T TAKE TODAY'S WEATHER AS AN EXAMPLE.

WE HAD BEAUTIFUL WEATHER OVER THE WEEKEND BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY WE SAW INCREASED ACTIVITY ON OUR BEACHES OVER THE WEEKEND WITH OUR NICE WEATHER, BUT I WANT TO REMIND THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME THERE'S NOT LIFEGUARDS IN STANDS, PLEASE BE CAREFUL OUT THERE.

WE WON'T BE SITTING IN THE LIFEGUARD STANDS UNTIL MEMORIAL DAY. I WANTED TO REMIND THE PUBLIC OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S WARM WEATHER. DON'T USE TODAY AS AN EXAMPLE BUT IT WAS PRETTY BUSY OVER THE WEEKEND, WE SAW A LOT OF

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ACTIVITY. >> ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU. NOW DELETIONS TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I HAVE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

WE'LL GO INTO THE APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA.

LET'S OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST AND SEE IF THERE'S PUBLIC

COMMENT ON CONSENT AGENDA. >> WE'RE NOW TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SPECIFICALLY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S ONE CALL WAITING APPARENTLY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR CONSENT

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>> YES, I AM. >> GO AHEAD.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

GENTLEMEN, ON THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] ITEM THAT HAS COME TO LIGHT WITH THE 700,000 PLUS DOLLARS ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ABOUT HOW MANY MILLIONS THAT SAME PEOPLE HAVE PAID OUT AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, GENTLEMEN, IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES, I WOULD WANT THAT TO BE [INDISCERNIBLE] BECAUSE I DISAGREE SOMETIMES WITH SOME OF THE VOTES AND THINGS THAT GO ON BY THE COMMISSIONERS. THAT NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY EXAMINED NOW. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

AND THIS COMPANY AND TO [INDISCERNIBLE] CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE'S LAWS, YOU CAN THINK WHAT YOU WANT [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT THAT'S THE TRUTH IN THERE. EVERYBODY KNOWS HE DOES A LOT OF RESEARCH. HE'S A THOROUGH WRITER AND THAT COMPANY PAID A LOT OF MONEY [INDISCERNIBLE].

I DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, TO NOT PULL THAT OUT AND AIR THAT OUT. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, I WANT TO BE POSITIVE ON IT, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT IT'S COMING HERE, BUT WITH ALL THE MONEY COMING OUT I HOPE YOU TAKE A REAL HARD LOOK. THANK YOU FOR TAKING COMMENT ON

CONSENT AGENDA. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? YES, NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS, CONSENT AGENDA. GO AHEAD.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, FROM VICE CHAIRMAN. THIS IS ED SLAVEN [INDISCERNIBLE] EDSLAVEN.COM. I [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> GO AHEAD, DID WE LOSE YOU? HELLO.

GO AHEAD. HELLO.

>> YES, HELLO, GOOD MORNING. >> GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS KENNETH MCKLAIN, P.O. BOX 912, HASTINGS, FLORIDA.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I RESPECT YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS.

I JUST WENT OVER SOME TODAY AND I FIND IT REAL HARD TO SPEND MONEY ON INCOME-PRODUCING PLACES LIKE SALTGRASS, $109,000, BUT NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ANYTHING FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE AND PEOPLE IN NEED. WE'RE IN A PANDEMIC RIGHT NOW.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT NEED HELP AREN'T GETTING IT.

AND WE'RE ONE OF THE RICHEST COUNTIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NUMBER 5, I SEE IT WAS DONE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

AND IT'S CONTINUED GOING ON. WE CAN SERVICE BIG PLACES THAT HAVE MONEY BUT WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THE INDIGENT PEOPLE OR THE POOR, PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING RUN OUT OF THE WOODS AND HAVE NO PLACE TO STAY. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER IN 2021, COMMISSIONERS. HAVE A BLESSED DAY.

>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC -- OR COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I THINK WE LOST ED SLAVEN AFTER HE SPOKE THREE SECONDS.

>> I'M RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIRMAN.

[INDISCERNIBLE] PLEASE DELETE ITEM 13 AND TABLE IT OR VOTE IT DOWN. $786,305 IN CORPORATE WELFARE GIVEAWAY [INDISCERNIBLE] WHICH WAS RICHARD [INDISCERNIBLE] COMPANY AND HE WENT TO PRISON. THIS CURRENT COMPANY ENCOMPASS

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BUT MOST SALIENT TO ME IS THE FACT THAT ONLY LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO THEY HAD TO PAY $48 MILLION TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO SETTLE A FALSE CLAIMS [INDISCERNIBLE] CASE INVOLVING FALSE STATEMENTS TO THE GOVERNMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THESE PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HASN'T RESPONDED TO MY OPEN RECORDS REQUEST. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DON'T EVER DO BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS ON ANYONE, WHETHER IT'S COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHEN YOU HIRED HIM, WHETHER IT'S A ZONING DECISION OR THESE SPECIAL INTEREST DEALS.

I WAS REAL PROUD OF Y'ALL ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO OR SO.

THERE WAS ONE OF THESE STINKY DEALS ON THE AGENDA, NOT THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE TIME AND THERE WASN'T A MOTION TO PASS IT. I ASK THAT YOU STRIP IT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA, VOTE ON IT. AND ASK THE QUESTION, WHY IS IT THE COUNTY STAFF WOULD PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SOMETHING THAT BELONGS ON THE MAIN AGENDA, NOT DO A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION, AND RECOMMENDS THAT WE GIVE $786,305 OF OUR MONEY TO A COMPANY THAT DEFRAUDS THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

WE NEED TO DO BUSINESS IN A BUSINESSLIKE MANNER AND THAT REQUIRES BACKGROUND INVESTIGATIONS, VETTING THEM.

YOUR STAFF COULD HAVE TAKEN FIVE SECONDS TO GOOGLE ENCOMPASS AND FIND OUT [INDISCERNIBLE]. THEY DIDN'T.

I DID. YOU NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO INVESTIGATE CORPORATIONS INSTEAD OF KISSING THEIR BEHIND AND PUT THINGS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA AND NOT THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S NOT FOR SPENDING $786,305.

REPUBLICANS ARE FISCAL CONSERVATIVES.

THE FACT THAT YOU'RE ALL REPUBLICANS YOU NEED TO ALL EVERY SINGLE ONE VOTE AGAINST THIS, DELETE IT FROM THE AGENDA AND GIVE THE STAFF INSTRUCTIONS TO DO BETTER RESEARCH AND NOT PRESENT YOU WITH GARBAGE LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I DON'T SEE ANY MORE CALLS.

SO, WELL, IS THAT IT THROUGH THE CALL-INS? ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ONLY? OKAY, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU, PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. GENTLEMEN, PLEASE VOTE.

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>> NONE. >> THANK YOU.

>> NONE. >> DEAN.

>> NONE. >> MR. WHITEHURST.

>> I HAVE NON-AS WELL. >> NOT AN ADDITION OR DELETION PER SE BUT ITEM NUMBER 2 GOES TO THE UTILITY REFINANCING.

AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD IS GOING TO GIVE A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND PERHAPS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION TO ITEM 1, WHICH IS THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IF POSSIBLE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT ITEM NUMBER 2 BE HEARD FIRST.

THERE WILL BE JUST A FIVE TO SEVEN MINUTE PRESENTATION FOR THE BOARD AND IT WOULD BE GREAT, IF THE BOARD APPROVES, GET THAT FINANCE TEAM OUT THERE TO START SAVING MONEY FOR THE COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?

>> THAT'S FINE BY ME. >> OKAY.

MR. SMITH. >> YES.

>> OKAY. SO WE'LL MOVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. WE'LL HEAR THAT FIRST.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA?

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I MOVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS

AMENDED. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER

[2. St. Johns County Taxable Water and Sewer Revenue Refunding Bonds, Series 2021.]

OKAY, REGULAR AGENDA IS APPROVED AS AMENDED.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 FIRST. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, JESSE DUNN, DIRECTOR FOR OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET.

ONE OF THE BOARD'S LONG-TERM GOALS IS TO ADDRESS THE COUNTY'S LONG-TERM FINANCIAL STABILITY, WHICH INCLUDES REFUNDING

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IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR WE BROUGHT FORWARD AN AGENDA ITEM THROUGH A SPECIAL MEETING TO REQUEST ASSEMBLING A FINANCING TEAM FOR ANOTHER REFUNDING OPPORTUNITY.

I'M BRINGING YOU THE CONTEXT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THE BOARD GAVE US THE GO-AHEAD TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.

WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THE DUE DILIGENCE.

AND LARGELY THIS DISCUSSION AND POWERPOINT IS GOING TO BE H HANDLED BY JAY GLOVER FOR PFM. WE HAD RATINGS CALLS AND WANTED

TO PROVIDE THAT. >> BILL YOUNG.

WE RECEIVED GOOD NEWS LAST NIGHT.

LAST WEEK YOUR FINANCE TEAM MET ON CREDIT CALLS WITH THE CREDIT RATERS. LAST NIGHT WE WERE ANTICIPATING ONE OF THE REPORTS TO BE POSITIVE AND IT CERTAINLY WAS.

I WANT TO READ FROM THE STANDARD A AND POORS REPORT. THEY RAISED THE RATING, REFLECTING THE FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT PRACTICES WHICH HAVE RESULTED IN EXTREMELY STRONG ALL-IN DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, LEVERAGE THAT WE BELIEVE IS SUBSTANTIAL. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS ELITE GROUPING HERE. I'M VERY PROUD OF THIS AND I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LET YOU KNOW IT'S A REFLECTION ON YOUR LEADERSHIP. IT'S THE MANAGEMENT TEAM.

I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY MANAGEMENT TEAM AND FINANCIAL ADVISORS.

FRANK AND JAMES HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB MAINTAINING OUR FINANCES. THIS WAS A GOAL OF OURS FOR A LONG TIME. WE WORKED WELL WITH JESSE AND W WADE AND LAUREN.

THEY WERE A BIG PART OF THIS CERTAINLY.

WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM BUT WE DO THROUGH THE YEARS AS WELL. ALSO WANT TO QUICKLY REFLECT FOR A SECOND, IF I MAY. I KNOW WE'RE IN A HURRY.

BUT 22 YEARS AGO, I SAT AROUND WITH THE UTILITY TEAM AT THAT TIME AND WE DEVELOPED OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

AND WE VERY QUICKLY ARRIVED UPON THREE PILLARS OF SUCCESS.

AND THEY'RE ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

WE'VE WON MANY AWARDS IN CONSERVATION, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP TO SUPPORT WE'VE BEEN IN SERVICE OF THAT.

CUSTOMER SERVICE. I GET CUSTOMER COMPLIMENTS WEEKLY. AND I THINK YOU WILL ATTEST TO THIS AS WELL. VERY FEW COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE 50,000 ACCOUNTS WE HANDLE EVERY MONTH AND WE DO IT WELL.

AND OPERATIONS, YOU DON'T GET UPGRADES LIKE THIS IF YOUR FINANCES ARE FINE BUT YOUR PLANTS ARE FALLING APART AND YOU'RE NOT IN REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, YOU DON'T GET UPGRADES LIKE THIS TO AAA. THE THIRD IS FINANCIAL STRENGTH.

AAA IS AS HIGH AS IT GETS. AS I APPROACH RETIREMENT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, THIS MAKES ME FEEL OF REACHING THAT LAST GOAL IF YOU WILL OF AAA CREDIT RATINGS.

AND LASTLY, I'LL SAY THERE ARE VERY FEW AAA.

JAY WILL SPEAK TO THAT. IT WOULD BE EASY TO LET YOUR MONEY PILE UP BUT WE'RE ACTIVE IN CAPITAL PROJECTS.

TO RISE TO AAA DURING THOSE TIMES, I'M EXTREMELY PROUD OF OUR TEAM AND THE SUPPORT FROM ADMINISTRATION AND FROM YOU GENTLEMEN AS WELL. SO I WANT TO TAKE A SECOND TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND THE COUNTY. THIS IS A BIG DEAL.

AND SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK TO JAY GLOVER OF PFM TO DO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I WANTED TO DELIVER THAT NEWS TO YOU AND CONGRATULATE.

SO THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMEN, COMMISSION MEMBERS, JAY GLOVER. THAT'S THE FIRST PIECE OF GOOD NEWS RELATED TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.

THAT CREDIT RATING IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT AND YOU SHOULD ALL TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN THAT. BUT WE'RE HERE TO LET YOU KNOW

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I'M GOING TO MOVE THROUGH QUICKLY BECAUSE PATRICK SAID WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND BILL JUST TOOK FOUR OF THOSE.

SO THE 2013A AND 2014 BONDS ARE THE TWO BONDS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REFUNDING. ONE THING TO NOTE IS THE 2013A BONDS ARE NOT CALLABLE UNTIL DECEMBER 1 OF 2022 AND THE 2014 ARE JUNE 1 OF 2014. THIS NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, IS WE'RE HAVING TO DO AN ADVANCED REFUNDING OF THOSE BONDS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE PROCEEDS IN THE ESCROW ACCOUNT AND THOSE BONDS WILL BE PAID OFF ON THEIR FIRST CALL DATE.

A FEW YEARS AGO THE IRS CHANGED THE RULES AND NO LONGER ALLOWS TAX EXEMPT REFUNDING. YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR 90 DAYS UNTIL THE CALL DATE. WE CAN ISSUE TAXABLE BONDS AND SAVE SIGNIFICANT MONEY. THIS CHART RIGHT HERE SHOWS THE TEN-YEAR HISTORY OF THE 5, 10, AND 30 YEAR U.S. TREASURY RATES.

YOU CAN SEE AS YOU GET TO THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF THAT COLUMN, AROUND FEBRUARY, MARCH OF 2020, THERE WAS A DRAMATIC DROP IN INTEREST RATES. AND THAT WAS REALLY A RESULT OF THE ONSET OF THE COVID PANDEMIC. INTEREST RATES HAVE REMAINED RELATIVELY LOW SINCE THAT DATE. MAYBE OVER THE LAST COUPLE THREE WEEKS THEY'VE STARTED TO TREND UP A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THIS APPROVED TODAY AND INTO THE MARKET IN A FAIRLY QUICK MANNER. IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL REFUNDING STATISTICS, THIS PAGE SHOWS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING DOING. YOU'LL NOTE A FEW WEEKS AGO WE ANTICIPATED AA PLUS. NOW WE HAVE AN AAA RATING FROM S&P. WE'RE ESTIMATING WHEN THIS PRESENTATION WAS PUT TOGETHER ABOUT $5.3 MILLION OF DEBT SAVINGS. BASED ON A SLIGHT UPTICK IN INTEREST RATES, WE WERE AT ABOUT $4.7 MILLION OF SAVINGS OR WELL OVER 10% OF THE REFUNDED BOND'S PAR AMOUNT.

AND I MENTION THAT PERCENTAGE OF REFUSED BONDS PAR AMOUNT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN DETERMINING WHEN IT'S OPPORTUNE■ TO MOVE FORWARD. ANYTHING OVER 5% THE GFO RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD WITH. WE'RE WELL ABOVE ANY PARAMETER YOU WOULD SET FORTH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

WE ARE ESTIMATING ABOUT $310,000 OF ANNUAL REDUCTION IN DEBT SERVICE FOR THE UTILITY SYSTEM. AND ALL OF THOSE SAVINGS FIGURES INCLUDE THE COST OF DOING THE FINANCING.

THIS JUST SHOWS PICTORIALLY WHAT I JUST MENTIONED.

AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ANNUAL SAVINGS FIGURES HERE, LOWER TODAY BASED ON CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, BUT THIS JUST SHOWS YOUR SAVINGS IN A GRAPH. AND THE LAST THING I'LL MENTION HERE, WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING FROM YOU ALL HERE TODAY IS APPROVAL OF THE BOND RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU THAT REALLY SETS OUT TWO MAIN PARAMETERS. ONE, THE ABILITY NOT TO EXCEED $45 MILLION WORTH OF PAR AMOUNT, WHICH IS NEEDED TO REFUND THESE BONDS, AND A MINIMUM SAVINGS TARGET OF 5% OF THE PAR AMOUNT.

WE'RE WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO PARAMETERS WE HAVE TO MEET TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REFUNDING.

IF APPROVED WE WOULD TAKE COMPETITIVE BIDS FROM UNDERWRITERS ON MARCH 16TH AND PLAN TO CLOSE IN MID-APRIL.

AGAIN, WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THIS TRANSACTIONS APPROVED TO LOCK THESE SAVINGS IN IN THIS MARKET.

I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.

LET ME JUST SAY I APPRECIATE, MR. YOUNG, I APPRECIATE YOUR TEAM. I THINK WE ALL DO, AS A BOARD, WE APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF OUR EMPLOYEES, JESSE YOUR TEAM AS WELL. THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

A LOT OF HARD WORK AND SWEAT WENT INTO THIS, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT IN

>> >> I'LL MOVE ITEM 2.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

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>> SECOND. >> SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. LET'S OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2, THE BOND REFINANCE FOR UTILITIES. WE HAVE TWO CALLS.

GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

IT'S ALWAYS AWESOME TO SAVE MONEY.

I HEAR THE BIG MONEY $310,000 A YEAR.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE OVER 5% TO MEET THE GUIDELINES TO [INDISCERNIBLE]. BUT, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, I WAS WONDERING IF ANY ONE OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL FEE FOR THIS? HOW MUCH IS THE TOTAL FEE THAT'S GOING TO BE PAID OUT? AND THIS IS OUR ADVISOR, OUR CONTRACTED COUNTY ADVISOR. WELL, THE CONTRACTED COUNTY ADVISOR, THIS IS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, WILL THEY BE ANY PART OF INFLUENCING THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO REDO THE FINANCING? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CONNECTION IS BETWEEN ANY OF THEM OR DO THEY JUST PUT IT OUT TO BID, AND THEY BRING IT BACK AND HE AND HIS STAFF MAKE THE DECISION. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHO'S THE ACTUAL DECISION MAKER? THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT, CALL IN, NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME AND ADDRESS, CALL IN.

GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> KENNETH MCKLAIN, PO BOX 912, HASTINGS, FLORIDA. I [INDISCERNIBLE] WITH SHOWING US THE SAVINGS WE WOULD DO. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE INFORMATION AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THINGS RUSHED THROUGH.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS SAVINGS FOR THE COUNTY. AND I JUST WANT YOU COMMISSIONERS TO THINK ABOUT THAT SAVINGS WITH GETTING THE A PLUS RATINGS THAT WE HAVE AND OUR HOMELESS PEOPLE BECAUSE MAYBE WE CAN MAKE A TOURISM 1% [INDISCERNIBLE] TAX FOR EVERY HOMELESS PERSON THAT'S OUT THERE THAT'S IN NEED.

WE'RE DOING GREAT. GOD IS BLESSING US.

AND I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU ARE GOD-FEARING COMMISSIONERS.

DO THE RIGHT THING. IT'S 2021.

LET'S MAKE OUR FOCUS [INDISCERNIBLE] ST. JOHNS COUNTY AS WELL. [INDISCERNIBLE] WE NEED IT.

THE CONTINUED CARE, WE NEED IT. AND [INDISCERNIBLE] WE NEED IT.

THANK YOU, HAVE A BLESSED DAY. >> THANK YOU, KEN.

I SEE ONE MORE CALL-IN. IS THERE ANOTHER CALL-IN? THERE'S NO MORE CALL-IN? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM 2? I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT FROM THE BOARD?

[1. Public Hearing * LDC Amendments - Article II and XII - Short Term Vacation Rentals.]

THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

NOW AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THIS IS TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN THE MAKING, STAFF HAS HELD VARIOUS COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS AND PUT OUT SURVEYS AND TRY TO GARNER AS MUCH FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH LEADS US HERE TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC HEARING AND READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

I LIKE TO READ THIS UNDER THE RECORD BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

FLORIDA STATUTE ALLOWS AS SUCH REGULATION DOES NOT PROHIBIT THEM, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THIS ORDINANCE WOULD NOT DO.

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THIS WOULD REQUIRE ANNUAL REGISTRATION AND AS IT'S WRITTEN, ANNUAL INSPECTION. SOME JURISDICTIONS REQUIRE THE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS, OTHERS DO NOT.

THIS IS A POLICY DECISION. HOWEVER, THERE IS AN INITIAL INSPECTION DONE BY FIRE AND BUILDING, WHICH I'M DEFLECT TO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL LATER ON IN THE [INDISCERNIBLE] HERE.

SO MANY APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE A SITE PLAN, THE CERTIFICATE FOR BED TAXES AND THE LICENSE AS A PUBLIC LODGING ESTABLISHMENT. ONCE REVIEWED AND DEEMED IN COMPLIANCE, A CERTIFICATE WOULD BE ISSUED THAT WOULD BE DISPLAYED INTERIOR OF THE HOME. A NEW APPLICATION WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN THE [INDISCERNIBLE] NUMBER OF ROOMS AND ADDITIONAL OCCUPANTS.

WITHIN THE PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE ARE OCCUPANCY STANDARDS. IT ALLOWS TWO PERSONS PER SLEEPING ROOM PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL OCCUPANTS FOR COMMON ROOM, A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF 16 PERSONS.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME PUSHBACK -- WE'VE GARNERED QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY IN REGARDS TO THIS NUMBER AND THERE'S CONCERNS THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY IS TOO HIGH.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING SUGGESTED BETWEEN 10 AND 12.

AND I'LL DELVE IN THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.

ON STREET PARKING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE EXISTING IN THE COUNTY TODAY. SOLID WASTE, A 24 HOUR TIMEFRAME GARBAGE CANS CAN BE BROUGHT OUT AND ONE CONTAINER PER FOUR OCCUPANTS AND [INDISCERNIBLE] 2015-19.

VIOLATIONS, THERE WILL BE FINES SET BY RESOLUTION AT A LATER DATE, ISSUED FOR NON-COMPLIANCE AND ENFORCED BY ALL LEGAL MEANS NECESSARY. AND RENTAL AGREEMENTS WOULD BE VESTED. SO IF RENTAL AGREEMENTS WERE PRIOR TO THIS DATE, THEY WOULD BE HONORED A SECOND COMPONENT TO THIS VESTING IS THE VESTING OF HOMES FOR APPLICANTS THAT MAY HAVE INCOME [INDISCERNIBLE] EXPECTATIONS AND [INDISCERNIBLE].

CURRENTLY IT'S AT 16 IS HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE, IF THERE WAS HOMES THAT COULD HOUSE UP TO 20 OCCUPANTS, THEY COULD EITHER BE PHASED OUT OR GIVEN A CERTAIN DATE TO COMPLY WITH THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AS SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE.

THAT IS ALSO A POLICY DECISION. THIS WOULD ALLOW THEM TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.

AND MOVING FORWARD, SO THIS ONE BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING JANUARY 21ST OF THIS YEAR. SOME OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WAS PHASED VESTING FOR THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AND PARKING WAS TO REDUCE THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY.

SUGGESTIONS WAS 10 TO 12 OCCUPANTS AND TO EXEMPT APARTMENTS WITH ON-SITE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT.

SO THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT AND GARNERED FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM AGENCY MEMBERS, WAS THE THIRD-PARTY OPTION, THE APPLICATION INTAKE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ONE PREEMPTIVELY THEY'VE PROVIDED FREE DATA, NUMBERS AND STUFF THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE BURDEN ON STAFF AS FAR AS APPLICATION INTAKE AND SO FORTH.

ADDITIONALLY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A GRACE PERIOD BEFORE STAFF.

WE HAVEN'T DETERMINED HOW LONG THAT WOULD BE BUT IT WOULD BE TO SET UP THE THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE VENDOR AND GET SET UP WITH HIRING STAFF AND SO FORTH. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE FEE AMOUNT WOULD BE SET BY A RESOLUTION AT A LATER DATE.

HOWEVER, IT'S BEEN A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD IN THE FIRST READING. ANOTHER ONE IS ANNUAL INSPECTIONS VERSUS COMPLAINT-DRIVEN.

FIRE AND BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO DO THE INITIAL INSPECTION.

HOWEVER, THIS IS A POLICY DECISION FOR THE BOARD.

AND THEN THERE IS A CLARIFICATION FOR COMMON ROOM OCCUPANCY THAT STAFF NOTICED AND IT'S A POLICY DECISION TO THE BOARD. HOW IT'S WRITTEN IN THE VERBIAGE IS THAT YOU GET TWO GUESTS -- I'M SORRY, TWO OCCUPANTS FOR

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NOW THE WAY THAT I THINK THAT WE'VE PRESENTED THIS TO THE BOARD, THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION AS TWO ADDITIONAL PERSONS PER COMMON ROOM. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT EITHER YOU CAN, FOR EACH COMMON ROOM SUCH AS A LIVING ROOM AREA, THEY WOULD GET TWO ADDITIONAL OCCUPANTS OR AS WRITTEN IN THE VERBIAGE, TWO PERSONS FOR A COMMON ROOM, SO JUST AN ADDITIONAL TWO PERSONS. MOVING FORTH, I'LL DEFER TO OCA RIGHT NOW TO TOUCH BASE ON CURRENT LEGISLATION DURING THAT SESSION THAT MAY AFFECT THIS ORDINANCE.

BRADLEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THERE ARE CURRENT TWO SETS OF BILLS PENDING IN THE LEGISLATURE. THE FIRST ONE IS DESCRIBED IN THE SLIDE HERE THAT WOULD LARGELY TAKE AWAY A LOT OF LOCAL AUTHORITY. IT WOULD SPECIFICALLY REGULATIO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WOULD HAVE TO TREAT VACATION RENTALS ON THE SAME FOOTING AS ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHICH WOULD IMPACT OCCUPANCY AND SOLID WASTE STANDARDS.

MOST OF THOSE WOULD LARGELY BE PREEMPTED BY THIS STATUTE.

THERE IS CURRENTLY A GRANDFATHERING OF ORDINANCE IN PLACE PRE-2011. THERE IS NOT A PROVISION IN THIS LEGISLATION THAT WOULD UPDATE THAT TO 2021.

AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND NEWLY FILED SET OF LEGISLATION FILED ON FRIDAY AND COMPANION ON MONDAY.

THERE WAS A LITTLE BROADER AND ACTUALLY WOULD RECOGNIZE LOCAL GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO REGULATE VACATION RENTALS.

I DON'T BELIEVE A COPY HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT WAS JUST FILED YESTERDAY BUT IT WOULD PROHIBIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM REGULATING THE CITING OF VACATION RENTALS BUT OTHER ORDINANCES TO VACATION RENTALS SO LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE THE EFFECTIVE OF PROHIBITING CITING OF VACATION RENTALS.

THAT'S THE FIRST SET OF LEGISLATION THAT I MENTIONED HAS MADE ITS WAY THROUGH SOME COMMITTEES, HAS HAD SOME MARKUPS, STILL MAKING ITS WAY THROUGH COMMITTEES.

THIS MORE RECENT LEGISLATION HASN'T BEEN REFERRED TO ANY COMMITTEES YET. WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'LL GO BUT THE FIRST ONE HAS RECEIVED ANALYSIS AND A FAVORABLE VOTE AND PENDING BEFORE THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT ON THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LEGISLATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

IN REGARDS TO THE INSPECTIONS, WE HAVE OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL HOWARD WHITE AND [INDISCERNIBLE].

THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONSES AS WELL AS MYSELF

AND BRADLEY. >> THANK YOU.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO GRANDFATHERING PROVISION.

THERE ARE NO EXEMPTIONS IN THIS PROPOSED STATE LEGISLATION.

THERE IS AN INTENT TO BUILD A REGISTRY BY THEM.

MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IS THERE A FEE STRUCTURE TO BE ADDRESSED

BY THE STATE? >> THROUGH THE CHAIR, I BELIEVE THERE IS, COMMISSIONER SMITH. THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS WOULD INCLUDE A LICENSING COMPONENT, ALREADY INCLUDES IT, BUT THIS WOULD ENHANCE THAT STRUCTURE AS WELL AS A FEE. IT HAS ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS OF ADVERTISING PLATFORMS LIKE AIRBNB AND VRBO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE COLLECTION OF BED TAX BY THE OPERATOR OF THOSE PLATFORMS. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION AND THE CONTENT OF THE LEGISLATION BEFORE THE BOARD.

BUT TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, YES, A FEE WOULD BE

INCLUDED. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

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COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. I HAVE NO IDEA AS WE SIT HERE THIS MORNING WHAT THE LEGISLATURE MAY OR MAY NOT DO AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. THEY ACTUALLY START THE SAUSAGE MAKING TODAY. THEY'RE HOLDING OPENING DAY SESSION. I'VE HEARD AT LEAST ONE QUOTE FROM THE GOVERNOR SAYING HE'S NOT SO SURE HE COULD SUPPORT ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION. HEWAS QUOTED AS SAYING HE THINKS VACATION RENTALS ARE BEST HANDLED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.

WITH THAT SAID, I'M THE ONE WHO REQUESTED THIS BE AGENDAED, EVERYONE AGREED THROUGH CONSENSUS, THAT IT COME BACK TO US TODAY. I WANT TO SAY AS WE GO FORWARD, AND THIS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IMPACT ON PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT'S WHY I WOULD TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT.

I DIDN'T GET INTO GREAT DETAIL WHEN I ASKED THIS BE AGENDAED.

I JUST SAID I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING BEFORE THERE IS EITHER ADDITIONAL LEGISLATION AND WHAT THAT MIGHT BE.

WHAT I REALLY, HAVING LOOKED INTO THIS AS BEST I CAN AND TALKING WITH STAFF, MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS PROVIDING A GREATER LEVEL OF PROTECTION AND COMFORT TO THOSE LONG-TIME RESIDENTS WHO HAVE LIVED IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS OR EVEN JUST SEVERAL YEARS AND HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT OVERCOME WITH THE LARGE NUMBER OF VACATION RENTALS.

I HAVE ONE FRIEND THAT HAS TOLD ME HE IS SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES NOW. HE LIVES OFF [INDISCERNIBLE] I BELIEVE IS THE NEXT STREET OVER. SURROUNDED ON THREE SIDES BY VACATION RENTALS AND THERE'S A PARTY EVERY WEEKEND AT EACH HOUSE THAT GOES ON AND ON. WITH THAT BACKDROP, WHAT I WANT TO DO, AND THIS WOULD BE MY MOTION IF WE GET TO IT, IS I REALLY THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO ADOPT A REGISTRATION AND FEE -- OR REGISTRATION AND INSPECTION.

I DON'T SUPPORT REGISTRATION AND INSPECTION.

I WANT A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF NO MORE THAN TEN OCCUPANTS PER VACATION RENTAL. NO MORE THAN TEN, PERIOD.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE INCLUSION OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON OFF-STREET PARKING, SOLID WASTE.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.

I'M TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MUCH HELP TO THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE TELLING ME THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IF THEY HAVE TO IF THERE'S NO RELIEF. AS ONE COMMISSIONER, I FEEL COMPELLED TO TRY TO DO WHAT I CAN IN THE FACE OF MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT FUTURE LEGISLATION WITH OR WITHOUT A GRANDFATHER PROVISION. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE CURRENT DRAFT WHICH INCLUDES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A GRANDFATHER PROVISION. THE REASON I'M HERE TODAY TALKING ABOUT THIS, IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE ARE THOSE SEVERAL THOUSAND UNITS THAT ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM, NOT ALL OF THEM BUT ENOUGH THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. IF WE INCLUDE A GRANDFATHER PROVISION IN OUR ORDINANCE, THOSE SAME PROBLEMS WILL CONTINUE. NOW WITH RESPECT TO THE TEN-OCCUPANT LIMITATION, I WOULD RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MAY BE UNITS THAT HAVE INVESTED MONEY AND MADE COMMITMENTS THAT WE MAY WANT SOME TYPE OF PHASING. I HAVE KICKED THAT AROUND.

I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC NUMBER, BUT MAYBE ONE YEAR WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO PHASE OUT ANYTHING ABOVE 10.

I THINK 16 WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER TO START WITH AND PHASE THAT DOWN TO 10. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC BECAUSE MY IDEAS MAY OR MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD, BUT I WANTED EVERYONE TO KNOW WHY I FELT COMPELLED TO BRING THIS BACK OR ASK YOU TO ALLOW US TO BRING THIS BACK FOR DISCUSSION. SO WITH THAT, THOSE ARE THE DIRECTION I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TAKE WITH RESPECT TO VACATION

RENTALS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, I SAW YOUR LIGHT COME ON.

>> NO, I DON'T. I WAS ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHERE WE STAND TODAY. WE HAVE PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT WILL TAKE US INTO THE FUTURE POSSIBLY, PROBABLY.

WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND TODAY. WHAT IS THE PRESENT STATUS OF WHERE WE ARE? I WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR HEAD BUILDING INSPECTOR AND HIS TEAM. AND I WANT US TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND WHAT THIS PROPOSAL HAS

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THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO GO BEFORE WE GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE NO LESS THAN 13 QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWERED AND I THINK MR. WHITE AND MR. SHOCK AND MR. CRANE HAVE SOME OF THOSE

ANSWERS. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD A QUICK -- WELL, I DON'T WANT TO

CHARACTERIZE IT. >> JOE, CAN I GET YOU TO COME BACK UP? AND I KIND OF AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER DEAN SAID AS FAR AS KEEPING IT SIMPLE.

CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE APPLICATION REQUIREMENT SCREEN? OKAY. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT FOR THE APPLICATION AND THE FEES AND THE INSPECTIONS.

[INDISCERNIBLE] IS HIS PURVIEW. WE'VE HIRED A COMPANY TO LOOK AT THAT AND HE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT AND THAT COMPANY AS FAR AS BRINGING A LOT OF PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE.

THAT'S WHERE WE CAN GET A LOT OF OUR LISTING FROM IS THOSE PEOPLE PAYING BED TAX. THE DDPR LICENSE, THAT'S HANDLED BY THEM. THAT'S A STATE THING.

THE SITE PLAN, YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A HUGE CAN OF WORMS IF THINGS HAVE BEEN CHANGED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT MR. HOWARD AND THEM HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

YOU CAN'T GO BACK IN A HOUSE AND ADD ROOMS WITHOUT A PERMIT.

YOU CAN'T ADD CERTAIN THINGS. AND AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION PROSPECT, AS FAR AS ANY KIND OF INSPECTIONS, I WOULD LIKE IT DONE ON A COMPLAINT-DRIVEN LIKE WE DO WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT IF WE MOVE FORWARD. TO ME THE BIGGEST ARE NOISE, TRASH, PARKING, AND OCCUPANCY. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. THE NOISE IS HANDLED BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WE COULD ASK THEM TO MAYBE STEP THAT UP AND DO A BETTER JOB ON BRINGING PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE.

TRASH, IT'S HARD FOR ME AS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OWNER WHEN I TRASH TAKEN OFF COMPARED TO A BUSINESS OR A RENTAL THAT'S CURATED A LOT OF TRASH, WAITING ONE DAY A WEEK.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.

PARKING, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN PICTURES WHERE THEY'RE PARKING IN PEOPLE'S YARDS, OTHER PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS THAT THEY THINK ARE OUT OF TOWN AND SHARE THE SAME CONCERNS OF OCCUPANCY AND A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH SAFETY.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUILDING

INSPECTOR AND ALL THEM TOO. >> OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER

WALDRON. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> ABSOLUTELY. MR. WHITE, WOULD YOU COME

FORWARD PLEASE. >> BUILDING OFFICIAL, ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I HAVE BUILDING OFFICIAL CHARLES CRANE, MR. JAMES SHOCK, WHO IS BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, STATE OF FLORIDA ENGINEER, AND AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED CHIEF [INDISCERNIBLE] IS HERE AS WELL TO ASSIST IF QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> OKAY. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >> MR. WHITE, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE IT.

I HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS AND A LOT OF THINGS I HAVE CONCERNS WITH. WOULD THERE BE OR IS THERE A NEED TO CHANGE THE OCCUPANCY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IF YOU'RE

AWARE OF IT? >> EXCELLENT QUESTION, MR. SMITH. UNFORTUNATELY I'LL HAVE TO GET A BIT DETAILED TO ACCURATELY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

SO I'LL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE I'M GOING TO HAVE TO USE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT TO A GREAT EXTENT IS WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE. SPECIFICALLY AND CURRENTLY IN THE BUILDING CODE UNDER STATE STATUTE 553, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR THE BUILD DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I KNOW WE USE THE TERM SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO MANY PEOPLE? I DON'T REALLY KNOW.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THAT MEANS TO THE FLORIDA CODE. WHEN YOU CHANGE THE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION OF A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS BUILT AND ISSUED A

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WHEN THAT OCCUPANCY CHANGES TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THE DEFINITION UNDER THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, COMMERCIAL BUILDING CODE, AND THE FLORIDA FIRE PREVENTION CODE, BECOMES A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING ESTABLISHMENT.

THAT IS VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

SO YOU NO LONGER HAVE, BY DEFINITION AND BY CODE, A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. YOU HAVE A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY. I FEEL THE NEED TO SAY THAT AND EMPHASIZE THAT UNDER THE GUISE OF LIFE SAFETY.

SO WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? WHEN YOU CHANGE A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, WHICH IS PRIMARILY PERMANENT IN NATURE, EVERY ONE OF OUR HOMES IS PERMANENT IN NATURE.

WE'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND IT NOW BECOMES A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING ESTABLISHMENT, YOU'RE INVITING FOLKS, GOOD PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY TO STAY THERE FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. THREE DAY, ONE WEEK.

AND BY DEFINITION, THAT BECOMES TRANSIENT.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT TERM TO REMEMBER, COMMISSIONERS.

TRANSIENT IS LESS THAN 30 DAYS. NOW YOU'VE TRIGGERED THE BUILDING CODE AND THE FIRE CODE. AND THERE'S COMPLICATIONS THAT GO WITH THAT. WITH THAT SAID, THERE ARE ALSO DEFINITIONS FOR NON-TRANSIENT. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. IF YOU WERE TO RENT YOUR HOUSE IN THE WINTER FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU WOULD BE NON-TRANSIENT.

BUILDING CODE AND THE FIRE CODE WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

AND IN FACT, THE STATE WOULD NOT BE INVOLVED IN THAT.

HOWEVER, THE SUBJECT, TOPIC AT HAND HERE IS TRANSIENT.

AND SO, HOW WOULD THAT LOOK FROM A METHODOLOGY, IN AN EFFORT OF ENFORCEMENT? IT WOULD REALLY TAKE ON A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO FEEL THE NEED TO APOLOGIZE HERE FOR THE LONG ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT'S TOO COMPLICATED FOR ME NOT TO ADDRESS IT IN TOTAL. SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ISSUE. AND HOW WOULD WE TAKE THE LEAD? WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ISSUE WHAT WE CALL A CHANGE OF USE PERMIT. ESSENTIALLY, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE OCCUPATIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOME TO A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY.

PRETTY FORTHRIGHT STEP. THE APPLICANT WOULD COME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THEY WOULD PROVIDE US WITH FLOOR PLAN, SITE PLAN. THAT PROCESS WOULD INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THAT INFORMATION AND A SUBSEQUENT INSPECTION ON THE SITE TO VALIDATE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, WHERE EVERYTHING MATCHED UP. SO UNDER CHAPTER 461, CHAPTER 4, SECTION 461 OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE BUILDING COMMERCIAL, IT REFERENCES FLORIDA STATUTE 509 AND FLORIDA STATUTE 83. THAT BRINGS IN THE FIRE SAFETY ELEMENT OF THESE PUBLIC TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY.

THAT WOULD BRING FIRE SERVICES INTO THE MIX TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FIRE SAFETY COMPONENTS. AND THE CHIEF IS HERE AND CAN PROBABLY GET MORE DETAILED THAN I HAVE TIME FOR RIGHT NOW.

BUT ESSENTIALLY, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS UNDER THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE FOR FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, EMERGENCY LIGHTING, EGRESS, INGRESS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AND THEN THE THIRD PRONG OF APPROACH WOULD INVOLVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION. AND, COMMISSIONERS, THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD ADDRESS THE LANGUAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, AS YOU SUGGESTED EARLIER SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, THE TRASH CANS, THE PARKING, THE NOISE, CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION WOULD ADDRESS THAT. IT WOULD TAKE ON A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH. IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED, CERTAINLY MANAGEABLE. IT WOULD BRING ACCOUNTABILITY TO

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COMMISSIONER DEAN, YOU MENTIONED THE CAP ON OCCUPANTS.

AND UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT FROM THE FIRE AND BUILDING CODE, THAT BECOMES FRANKLY A MOOT POINT BECAUSE WE ARE NOW IN A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION.

THAT IS AN OVERALL FROM A THOUSAND FEET PERSPECTIVE OF THE FIRE, BUILDING, AND CODE ENFORCEMENT INVOLVEMENT.

WHETHER THIS ORDINANCE WOULD MOVE FORWARD OR WHETHER THE STATE WOULD PREEMPT US, OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE WOULD BRING IT FORTH IN A MORE EXPEDITIOUS MANNER.

THE STATE WOULD HAVE THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE AND BUILDING, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY MOVE AT A BIT OF A SLOWER RATE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND GAVE YOU MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU ASKED FOR.

>> NO, SIR. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR RIGHT NOW. HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY THEM NOW AND ARE YOU INSPECTING THEM, DO THEY HAVE SITE PLANS, FLOOR PLANS, ARE YOU ENGAGED IN THESE AT THIS POINT?

>> WE WOULD BE. WE ARE NOW ACTING PHILOSOPHICALLY ON A COMPLAINT-DRIVEN METHODOLOGY.

HERE'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS STATEWIDE.

THERE'S REALLY, FRANKLY, NO CONSISTENCY CURRENTLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE WITH HOW BUILDING AND FIRE JURISDICTIONS ARE HANDLING THEM AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM.

AND PERHAPS THAT MAY BE PART OF THE REASON WHY THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS LOOKING AT PREEMPTION ACROSS THE STATE.

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY'S DOING A GOOD JOB OR A BAD JOB, BUT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND IT'S IMPORTANT BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, COMMISSIONER.

>> SO IF I WERE TO ASK YOU HOW MANY COMPLAINTS THAT YOU HAVE ADDRESSED IN THE LAST YEAR, YOU WOULD SAY THERE ARE NOT AS MANY,

NOT MANY, NOT AT ALL? >> VERY FEW, COMMISSIONER.

AND PART OF MY CONCERN, TO BE PERFECTLY CANDID WITH THIS BOARD, IS THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE BUILDING CODE ONCE WE IDENTIFY THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.

THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE FIRE CODE ONCE WE IDENTIFY THESE ESTABLISHMENTS. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ALL OF THAT WILL SIT WELL WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD. I KNOW THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD EMBRACE THOSE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE GUISE OF LIFE SAFETY.

THAT'S WHAT THEY PAY ME FOR. THAT'S WHAT YOU GENTLEMEN PAY ME FOR, TO PROTECT PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THIS COUNTY FROM THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S AT THE LOCAL LEVEL OR STATE LEVEL. CHIEF AND I HAVE SHARED SEVERAL IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS AND WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE NEED TO PROTECT PEOPLE THAT LAY THEIR HEAD ON A PILLOW IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING ESTABLISHMENT, THAT THEY WILL WAKE UP IN THE MORNING WITHOUT INCIDENT.

>> I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND AS WELL.

WHEN YOU DO HAVE, TODAY IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A COMPLAINT-DRIVEN SYSTEM, WHICH WE ARE, DO YOU HAVE THE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE COMPLAINT-DRIVEN -- THE COMPLAINTS TODAY? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES FOR IT? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS THIS. IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS AS IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THIS MORNING, WOULD YOU HAVE ENOUGH IMMEDIATE RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE SYSTEM AS

PRESENTED TODAY? >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT

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FIRE SERVICES DOESN'T. CODE ENFORCEMENT DOESN'T.

AND CERTAINLY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES NOT.

AND MORE SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, NO, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING ON NEW STAFF, BOTH AT THE BUILDING, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE SIDE OF IN ORDER TO FORCE THIS AND FOR THAT MATTER, A STATE PREEMPTION.

AGAIN MORE THAN LIKELY, IF IT CAME FROM THE STATE, BE A MORE LONG-TERM PROCESS. SO IN OTHER WORDS, PROBABLY GIVE US MORE TIME TO BUILD UP TO THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE OF THAT.

>> AND HELP ME WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT.

SO IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSED AND THERE'S A REGISTRY THAT'S DERIVED TODAY OR IN THE NEXT SHORT TERM AND NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED COMPARED TO THE STATE IMPLEMENTATION OF A REGISTRY AND ENFORCEMENT, WHAT KIND OF -- WHAT'S THE DELTA BETWIXT THE TWO? WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCAL TODAY EX HE -- EXPEDITIOUSLY VERSUS LONG TERM?

>> THIS WOULD BE HOWARD WHITE'S OPINION.

I WOULD SAY THE LOCAL ORDINANCE WOULD BE VERY IMMEDIATE.

APPLICANTS WOULD COME IN. A REGISTRY WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO EFFECT. WORKING WITH A THIRD-PARTY REGISTRY SYSTEM. AND THEN CHIEF, BUILDING OFFICIAL HOWARD WHITE, WOULD BECOME PRIVY TO THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS AND WOULD HAVE TO REACT IMMEDIATELY.

WITH REGARD TO THE STATE, THIS WOULD ONLY BE A GUESS, BUT I CAN SPEAK FROM HISTORICAL PREEMPTIONS, THAT WOULD TAKE, IN TERMS OF A FEW YEARS BEFORE IT ACTUALLY TRICKLED DOWN.

WE CURRENTLY, CHIEF AND FIRE SERVICES CURRENTLY WORKS WITH THE RESTAURANT DIVISION OF THE STATE AND THEY GET INFORMATION THAT'S SENT TO THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS AND THEY REACT TO THAT.

VERY MINIMAL AMOUNTS OF COMPLAINT-DRIVEN ISSUES.

BUT IN MY MIND, THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY THE WAY THAT THAT WOULD TRICKLE DOWN AT THE STATE LEVEL, COMMISSIONER.

>> IT WOULD BE A LONGER DURATION OF HAVING IT IMPLEMENTED?

>> AGAIN, THAT'S MY OPINION, COMMISSIONER.

>> OKAY. THERE ARE OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED CERTAIN ORDINANCES VERY.

CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE HAS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE THEY OVERSEEING AND WHAT KIND OF STAFF DOES IT TAKE TO DEAL WITH

THAT? >> SURE, BE ANTICIPATE TO, COMMISSIONER. AND I KNOW THE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE ST. AUGUSTINE BECAUSE I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. TO SPECIFICALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH REGARD TO ST. AUGUSTINE, IT'S MY UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE AT OR AROUND 600 SHORT-TERM RENTALS, OR THE TERM I MORE PREFER, THE TRANSIENT PUBLIC LODGING ESTABLISHMENTS.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'VE BROUGHT ON FOUR EMPLOYEES TO DEAL WITH THOSE 600. NUMBERS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED DURING THE DRAFTING OF THIS ORDINANCE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS MORE IN LINE WITH ABOUT 2300. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD DO THE MATH PER SE ON THAT, BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WE WOULD NEED TO EFFECTIVELY, AND THAT IS THE KEY, ENFORCE EITHER A LOCAL ORDINANCE OR A

STATE PREEMPTION. >> VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.

>> AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY ADD TO THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. I SPOKE TO IT EARLIER WHEN I WALKED UP. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONFUSION ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN TERMS OF HOW AND THE WAY JURISDICTIONS ARE DEALING WITH THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I GUESS I'M SOMEWHAT SAD TO REPORT TO YOU THAT NO ONE IS REALLY DOING THIS THE SAME WAY.

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OTHER JURISDICTIONS, I CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY FOR EXAMPLE TO DAYTONA BEACH. NOT MAKING A COMPARISON OF US DAYTONA BEACH. BUT THEY HAVE HAD TO ESTABLISH A DIVISION AND PUT CODE ENFORCEMENT AND BUILDING FOLKS UNDER THAT DIVISION IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

JUST TO BE SIMPLE, IT'S A VERY OVERWHELMING RESPONSIBILITY THAT AT THIS POINT ISN'T BEING IMPLEMENTED EQUITABLY ACROSS THE

STATE. >> I THINK THAT IS A VERY ACCURATE STATEMENT, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> MR. WHITE, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS PLACED UPON A TRANSIENT PUBLIC LODGING FACILITY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OR WHAT IS NOT COMMON OR NECESSARY IN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE? WHAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT?

>> WELL, AS PART OF THE CONFUSION, I THINK THAT MANY JURISDICTIONS HAVE UTILIZED SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING CODE BUILDING COMMERCIAL. AND I THINK ERRONEOUSLY REQUIRED SPRINKLER REQUIREMENTS WHICH WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS ISSUE FOR A PROSPECTIVE APPLICANT. FORTU FORTUNATELY UNDER CHAPTER 4, SECTION 461, THERE IS LANGUAGE EXEMPTING SPRING -- SPRINKLING FOR THREE STORIES OR LESS.

BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES BOTH AT THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT. JUST TO PICK ONE, EGRESS VERY IMPORTANT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT IN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT THAT.

MANY OF THESE HOMES ARE BUILT YEARS AND YEARS AGO, THOSE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. I MENTIONED EARLIER, COMMISSIONER SMITH, EMERGENCY LIGHTING, FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS, SMOKE DETECTOR SYSTEMS, LIFE SAFETY COMPONENTS FOR THE

WELLBEING OF THE INHABITANTS. >> AND THAT'S JUST A SIMPLE OVERVIEW. THANK YOU FOR IT BECAUSE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT MOST OF US WILL NOT HAVE IN OUR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE OCCUPANTS THAT AREN'T THERE VERY

LONG. >> COMMISSIONER, I THINK THE KEY, AND I THINK IT CAN BE BEST DESCRIBED TO EVERYONE HERE THIS MOR MORNING, AND Y'ALL HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS IN YOUR LIVES, AND ESSENTIALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING. WHEN YOU GO TO A HOTEL OR A MOTEL AND YOU LAY YOUR HEAD ON THE PILLOW, YOU HAVE EXPECTATION THAT WHEN YOU GO TO SLEEP, YOU'RE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

NO DIFFERENT WITH THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR TRANSIENT PUBLIC LODGING FACILITIES. AND THAT IS PART OF CHIEF'S AND HOWARD WHITE'S RESPONSIBILITY. WHEN PEOPLE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THEIR SURROUNDINGS, VERY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WHERE YOU'RE THERE EVERY DAY AND YOU COULD PROBABLY WALK AROUND THE HOUSE WITH YOUR EYES CLOSED.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I HOPE I'VE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> YOU'VE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. I HAVE OTHERS, BUT I'LL STOP THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> MR. WHITE, THE QUESTION I HAD -- I'M SORRY.

THE QUESTION I HAD THAT YOU PROBABLY ALREADY ANSWERED WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH, RIGHT NOW JUST TO COVER IF WE MADE IT SIMPLE, THE TRASH, PARKING, AND HELP AUGMENT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WITH NOISE CODE ENFORCEMENT, HOW MANY FTS WOULD

YOU NEED, OR PEOPLE? >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER WALDRON. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT CHIEF AND I HAVE WORKED WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

AND PERHAPS IT MAY BE BETTER IF I WERE TO ASK EITHER WADE SCHROEDER OR JESSE DUNN TO STEP UP HERE WITH ME, WHERE THEY CAN POVIDE YOU WITH VERY SPECIFICS WHICH I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. I CAN STUMBLE THROUGH IT IF YOU

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AND IF JESSE OR WADE WOULD COME UP, I THINK WE CAN ANSWER THAT

QUESTION COMPLETELY FOR YOU. >> WADE'S SNEAKING UP BEHIND Y YOU.

>> WADE SCHROEDER WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

THE INFORMATION ON THE OVERHEAD H HERE. I PROVIDED THIS TO THE COMMISSIONERS YESTERDAY MORNING JUST AS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.

WE WORKED WITH BOTH FIRE RESCUE, AND BUILDING SERVICES, PRIMARILY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, TO COME UP WITH AN ESTIMATION OF FTES NEEDED FOR THE INSPECTION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES. YOU CAN SEE HERE, FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, THERE WOULD BE TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ALONG WITH ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT, ALONG WITH VEHICLES, COMPUTER DEVICES, AND ANY OTHER OPER OPERATING EXPENSES WE ESTIMATE AT THIS TIME.

FOR THE FIRE INSPECTION SIDE, IT WOULD BE THREE FTES, AGAIN ALONG WITH VEHICLES, COMPUTERS, AND OTHER OPERATING EXPENSES.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S IT.

>> BEFORE YOU GO, MR. VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> HOWARD, I'M A LITTLE PUZZLED. I GUESS IT'S -- FOR ME, IT'S COUNTER INTUITIVE THAT IF WE CURRENTLY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ASK JOE, UNLESS YOU KNOW, HOWARD, WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE AN OCCUPANCY MAXIMUM FOR OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS TODAY, DO WE? JOE, DO YOU KNOW? NO, RIGHT? NO, OKAY.

SO I HAVE BEEN TOLD, AND THIS IS SORT OF ANECDOTAL, THAT IN MANY CASES THERE WILL BE AS MANY AS 20 OCCUPANTS IN A FOUR OR FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE ON ANASTASIA ISLAND AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN OCCUPANCY LIMITATION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IF WE TRY TO GO FORWARD TODAY AND PUT WHAT I THINK IS A VERY REASONABLE AND ACCEPTABLE LIMITATION OF 10 OCCUPANTS PER HOUSE, THEN IT'S GOING TO TRIGGER ALL OF THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF THE STATUTES THAT REQUIRE YOU -- AND THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON YOU.

YOU DO THE BEST JOB IN AMERICA WITH RESPECT TO RUNNING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW I'VE TOLD YOU THAT BEFORE. I'M TALKING IN TERMS OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AS A LEGAL FICTION HERE THAT'S PUTTING A HUGE BURDEN ON US AND OUR RESPONSIBILITIES WHEN ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS SIMPLY MAKE LIFE MORE ENJOYABLE FOR THOSE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS THAT DESERVE QUITE ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOMES. AND I'M PREPARED AFTER ALL THIS DISCUSSION TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUT A 10-OCCUPANCY LIMIT IF THAT'S ALL WE DO TODAY, WITH INSTRUCTIONS, IF PATRICK MCCORMACK WILL ALLOW ME TO GET AWAY WITH IT, THAT WE DON'T INCLUDE ANY TYPE OF REGISTRATION, WE DON'T INCLUDE ANY TYPE OF INSPECTIONS, THAT WE OPERATE ON A COMPLAINT-DRIVEN SYSTEM. AND -- BUT I ALSO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING PUBLIC SAFETY TO OUR VISITORS.

BUT I'M SITTING HERE THINKING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY IF IT'S A, QUOTE, TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY, BUT IF IT'S, QUOTE, NOT BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DESIGNATED WITH AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT, THEN 20 PEOPLE CAN STAY THERE AND WE DON'T GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THEIR PUBLIC SAFETY.

AT LEAST THERE'S NO CONCERN TODAY TRIGGERING THOSE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. SO I'M SORT OF RAMBLING, BUT I HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS MY FRUSTRATION, THAT ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO THOSE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS AND ALL I WANT TO DO TODAY IS PUT A 10-OCCUPANT LIMIT ON THOSE HOMES THAT ARE NOW SERVING 20 PEOPLE AND IT'S A THUNDERING HERD OF PARTY GOERS OVER THE WEEKEND. AND I'M DETERMINED TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. AND THE ONLY WAY I'LL STOP IS IF MY COUNTY ATTORNEY BASICALLY TELLS ME, "HENRY, YOU'RE EXPOSING THE COUNTY TO MULTIPLE LITIGATIONS AND MULTIPLE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS," BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP THESE PEOPLE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I THINK THIS IS A LEGAL FICTION THAT PUTS YOU IN A DIFFICULT

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MOTELS. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, COMPLETELY, ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTOOD.

AND I THINK I'VE MENTIONED AT LEAST THREE TIMES IN MY COMMENTS HOW COMPLICATED THIS ISSUE IS STATEWIDE.

LET ME MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT I THINK COULD BE IMPORTANT HERE. THE LIMIT WOULD BE A LOCAL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT. IT REALLY BECOMES A MOOT POINT ONCE THE OCCUPANCY CLASSIFICATION CHANGES WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE.

WITH THAT SAID, AS PART OF OUR REVIEW, IF THIS WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WHETHER AT THE LOCAL OR STATE LEVEL, THERE ARE SQUARE FOOTAGE LIMITATIONS SPELLED OUT IN BOTH CODES.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, UNDER THE GUISE OF THE FIRE CODE, ABOUT ONE PERSON PER 150 SQUARE FEET. UNDER THE GUISE OF THE BUILDING CODE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, ABOUT ONE PER 200 SQUARE FEET.

SO THE LIMITATIONS ARE THERE ALREADY IN THE BUILDING IN FIRE CODES. THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT VISITED THAT OFTEN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW, COMMISSIONER, AS YOU POINTED OUT, IN TERMS OF WHO MAY SHOW UP. IS IT GOING TO BE 30 COLLEGE STUDENTS? NO KNOCK ON COLLEGE STUDENTS.

WE LOVE COLLEGE STUDENTS. OR IS IT GOING TO BE A FAMILY OF 6 OR 8? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. THUS THE COMPLICATION INVOLVED WITH THIS TOPIC HERE THIS MORNING.

>> THANK YOU. >> WELL, I WISH WE HAD ASKED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO STAY BECAUSE I HAD QUESTIONS PRIMARILY DIRECTED TOWARDS THEM. I THINK SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN COVERED BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AND FULLY COVER THIS. IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, WOULD THE COUNTY INCUR SOME SPECIFIC COSTS THAT IF LATER THE STATE CAME IN AND CHANGED THE LAW FROM UNDERNEATH US, WHICH IS A POSSIBILITY, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO RECOOP THOSE COSTS? ARE WE GOING TO END UP SPENDING MONEY AS A COUNTY IF WE PASS THIS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT WE POTENTIALLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RECOUP? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> SURE, IT DOES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT AN ORDINANCE WOULD BECOME IMMEDIATE OR WOULD BE RESERVED FOR A LATER DATE. BUT IN ORDER TO ENFORCE THIS EFFECTIVELY, AND I MAY WANT TO ALTERNATIVE TO THE LEGAL ON THIS PIECE OF IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO BEGIN TO BRING FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES ON TO TRAIN THEM ALONG WITH VEHICLES AND, AS MR. SCHROEDER MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT ON IN EARNEST, PROBABLY SOONER THAN LATER.

AND HERE'S A COST, MR. CHAIRMAN, ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, AND I THINK WE'VE COVERED THIS BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU AND MAKE SURE I'VE DISTILLED THIS AND THOUGHT IT THROUGH.

RIGHT NOW DO WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE MECHANISM TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LEGITIMATE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE, TRASH, OVERCROWDING AND PARKING.

DO YOU BELIEVE WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE MECHANISM IN PLACE SO A RESIDENT CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL AND SAY, "THERE'S A NOISE ISSUE, THERE'S A TRASH ISSUE, THERE'S A PARKING ISSUE"? DO WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE MECHANISM TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS? AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE I WAS -- I GUESS SOME OF THAT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS THEIR ROLE IN DEALING WITH NOISE ORDINANCES, BUT CAN YOU TRY TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> SURE, I WOULD BE HAPPY. THE KEYWORD THAT YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR QUESTION IS EFFECTIVE. CURRENTLY WE ARE ADDRESSING THE COMPLAINTS AS COMMISSIONER WALDRON POINTED OUT EARLIER, NOISE, TRAFFIC, CARS, TRASH CANS, THAT TYPE OF THING, THROUGH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT.

THE PROBLEM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH THAT PARTICULAR ENFORCEMENT, IS THAT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THESE COMPLAINTS WILL COME IN OVER THE

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SO EFFECTIVELY AS THIS PROGRAM BEGINS TO BUILD ON ITSELF, I THINK WE WOULD NEED ADDITIONAL CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS REGARDLESS AND WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THEM MORE ON THE WEEKEND TYPE OF PROCESS OVERTIME, EVENING TYPE, IN ORDER TO

ADDRESS THIS. >> WELL, I THINK COMMISSIONER DEAN'S SUGGESTION OF AN OCCUPATIONAL LIMIT OF 10.

IF A NEIGHBOR CALLS AND SAYS THERE ARE 30 PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, THAT COULD BE A HOLIDAY PARTY, A FAMILY GATHERING, WE DON'T WANT PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS TO NOT BE ABLE TO HOST GUESTS ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. BUT I THINK THAT 10-PERSON LIMIT MAKES SENSE. BUT HOW WOULD WE DISTINGUISH THAT? IS THERE A MECHANISM TO DISTINGUISH THAT? WOULD WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT?

COULD YOU ELABORATE? >> WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THE RISK OF BEING REDUNDANT, I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE TIME THE LEVEL OF COMPLICATION INVOLVED IN THIS.

SO LET'S WALK THROUGH YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.

SO LET'S SAY THAT WE DID RECEIVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT CALL ON A FRIDAY EVENING, THAT THERE'S 30 PEOPLE IN THIS HOUSE.

WE'RE GOING TO EFFECTIVELY BE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING WHATEVER CAP THIS BOARD CHOOSES TO PUT ON THAT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. NOW, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE SEND THE OTHER 20 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT RESIDENCE THAT ARE OUT OF STATE IN ORDER TO SATISFY WHATEVER THAT CAP MAY BE.

AND AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE, I DO THINK THAT BECOMES A LAW ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND BECOMES PROBLEMATIC IN AND OF ITSELF.

WE WOULD CERTAINLY DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THAT WITH WHATEVER ENFORCEMENT STAFFING WE WOULD NEED.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING AND TELL YOU THAT WOULD BE A CUT-AND-DRY EASY PROCESS BECAUSE IT WOULD

NOT BE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I DO UNDERSTAND ALSO THE COMPONENT OF POTENTIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THEM -- I DON'T WANT US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION HERE WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THEM ON THE HOOK. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. HOPEFULLY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET A REPRESENTATIVE HERE. REAL QUICK LET'S GO TO LEGAL.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING ON YOUR LAST QUESTION ABOUT HOW WOULD WE ENFORCE THE OCCUPANCY STANDARDS. THE IDEA BEHIND THE REGISTRATION AND CERTIFICATE WAS TO TRY TO GET SOME OF THAT INFORMATION ON THE FRONTEND. SO IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SUBMISSION OF THE RENTAL AGREEMENTS.

IT WOULD REQUIRE SITE PLAN. AND WOULD PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT. AND WE COULD BE ABLE TO DETERMINE STRAIGHT AWAY, YES, THEY ARE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YES, THEY HAVE THE RENTAL AGREEMENT.

AND WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A THIRD PARTY WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO RESEARCH LISTINGS AND PROVIDE US WHAT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED AND GATHER THAT EVIDENCE ON THE FRONTEND SO WHEN WE HAVE A COMPLAINT WHILE THERE'S 20 PEOPLE OVER THERE, WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE HAVING THAT LEVEL OF OCCUPANCY. I AGREE WITH MR. WHITE THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GATHERING THAT EVIDENCE BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD HAVE TO SHOW UP AT THAT RESIDENCE, ASK FOR THE RENTAL AGREEMENT, WOULD HAVE TO OBSERVE 20 PEOPLE, KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST THERE FOR A GATHERING BUT ACTUALLY OCCUPANTS WHO ENTERED INTO A RENTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

SO THERE IS A COMPLICATION IN HAVING THAT OCCUPANCY MAXIMUM WITHOUT AN ATTENDANCE CERTIFICATE AND AN APPLICATION

PROCESS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY JUST ADD TO THAT, I APOLOGIZE, I LEFT THIS PIECE OF IT OUT OF YOUR QUESTION. CURRENTLY, JUST SO THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS LANGUAGE AND STATUTE THAT INDICATES THAT THE STATE WOULD ASSIST US WITH ENFORCEMENTS REQUIREMENTS.

BUT AGAIN, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW OVERWHELMED THE STATE IS WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I WOULD NOT PRETEND TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO ASSIST US IN THAT MATTER AT ALL.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN TO ASSIST US?

>> CURRENTLY IN STATE STATUTE, THERE'S LANGUAGE WHERE IT IS THE

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>> DOES THAT MEAN PERSONNEL, FINANCE?

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> IN MY MIND, IT WOULD BE.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SUCH A NEW ENFORCEMENT REALM FOR THE STATE AND FOR LOCAL JURISDICTIONS, I DON'T THINK ANY OF IT HAS REALLY COME TO FRUITION OR IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD.

>> THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN

NEXT. >> SO FAR I FEEL LIKE THIS IS LIKE TRYING TO THREAD A NEEDLE IN A WINDSTORM BLIND BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO TOUCH SOMETHING, IT MOVES THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT THINGS AROUND THE TABLE AND I'M TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THE FACT, JUST I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF RESPOND, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO YOUR QUESTION THAT, AGAIN, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN CONTROLLING THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS.

BUT IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A HOME ON ATLANTIC VIEW THAT ENTERTAIN -- IT'S A FAMILY THAT THEY'RE JUST ENTERTAINING A FAMILY REUNION ONCE A YEAR WITH 30 PEOPLE VERSUS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT IS BEING RENTED 52 WEEKENDS A YEAR FOR 20 OR 25 PEOPLE. I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE A WAY WE CAN DISTINGUISH THAT. I GET BACK TO I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE COMPLAINT-DRIVEN. WE MIGHT NEED SOME VERY SIMPLE FORM OF REGISTRATION OR LICENSING.

I SEE NO REASON WHY WE WOULD NEED A SITE PLAN.

THAT GOES -- TO ME, THAT'S OVER ANYTHING BEYOND JUST REGISTRATION SAY, "HEY, I'M A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND I HAVE TO REGISTER. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE STAYING THERE ON A WEEKEND. I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS POSSIBLY SIMPLE ENOUGH THAT WE CAN DO IT AND LESS EXPENSIVE.

I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY PERSONNEL.

I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY CARS. I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS MORE EXPENSIVE.

BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE.

WE CAN'T MAKE CHICKEN SALAD OUT OF CHICKEN FEATHERS.

IF WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE SOMETHING, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. BUT I WANT TO DO IT AS SIMPLY AND CHEAPLY AS POSSIBLE. BUT LET THE WORLD KNOW, AND IT MAY TAKE A COUPLE WARNINGS TO ONE PARTICULAR RENTAL HOUSE, THAT WE NOW HAVE AN OCCUPANCY LIMITATION AND WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULTY IN TRYING TO GET TO WHERE I THINK SOME OF US WOULD LIKE TO GET TO. I'VE HEARD AT LEAST TWO OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS INDICATE A NEED TO GET SOME HANDLE ON THIS.

BUT I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S INPUT OF THE SORT OF COMPLEXITY

OF THE SITUATION. >> SURE.

WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT I THINK, COMMISSIONER DEAN,JUST TO ANSWER THAT, I THINK YOU'RE CORRECT.

WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT ON A WEEKEND THAT MAKES A PHONE CALL, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE STAFF THAT'S ON CALL TO ADDRESS THAT? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN AND HAS HAPPENED IS PEOPLE CALL 911, CONTACT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM.

I HAVE ASKED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IF THEY COULD SEND A REPRESENTATIVE HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TO FURTHER THIS AND GET PERSPECTIVE. COMMISSIONER SMITH, DID YOU

STILL HAVE SOMETHING? >> NO, MY THING IS THIS, IS THAT THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHERE WE STAND TODAY IN REGARD TO LAW AND WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT OF THAT LAW IS CRITICAL TO -- I MEAN, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO MAKE MORE LAWS WHEN WE HAVE LAWS THAT AREN'T BEING ENFORCED? REDUNDANCY AND REPETITION IS FRUSTRATING TO ME.

THE BUILDING OF OTHER BUREAUCRACIES IS FRUSTRATING TO ME. IF WE HAVE A LAW THAT NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED, YOU ALREADY HAVE A STATE THAT'S NOT ASSISTING WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ASSISTING.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO PAINT WITH A BROAD BRUSH IF WE HAD PERSONNEL AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH THE RIGHT ABILITY COULD BE HANDLED AND WE DON'T.

WE GO THROUGH OCCUPANCY. I'VE HEARD MR. WHITE ADDRESS OCCUPANCY ON SQUARE FOOTAGES, ET CETERA, ALL IN STATUTE.

IF IT'S DEEMED A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY.

LIKEWISE WITH THE SITE PLAN, FLOOR PLAN, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF CODE, IF IT'S DEEMED A PUBLIC TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY, THAT IS ALL TENDED TO. THAT'S WHY TO ME IT'S FRUSTRATING. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS IN FAVOR OF LETTING THE STATE HANDLE IT. WE PULL OFF AND SEE WHAT OCCURS.

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>> LET ME GO BACK TO YOU. IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT LOOK INTO STAFFING TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT

NEEDS? >> EITHER TO STAFF IT OR TO -- I'VE HEARD THIS AND MAYBE I HEARD INCORRECTLY AND NEED CONFIRMATION OF IT. WE DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE WEEKEND WHEN THESE ISSUES ARE OCCURRING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH ENFORCING OF NOISE ORDINANCE. I THINK IF NOISE ORDINANCE WAS ENFORCED THERE WOULD BE ELIMINATE NATION OF -- ELIMINATION TO START WITH. I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN AND SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTING THAT.

WE WENT THROUGH A REVISION OF THAT TO COVER AND MAKE SURE IT WAS ENFORCEABLE BY LAW. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LACK OF CITATION OR ABILITY TO ENFORCE NOISE ORDINANCES. THE OTHER THING IS THIS, YES, IF WE DON'T HAVE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE NOISE ORDINANCE, WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO COVER, MOSTLY ON THE WEEKENDS FOR PROBABLY JUST A HANDFUL OF SCENARIOS THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESS IN PROBABLY TWO WEEKENDS.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HANDLE A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PROBLEMS WITH A GREAT WIDE BRUSH.

AND THAT'S THE KEY. THEY NEED -- THE BAD APPLES NEED TO BE DEALT WITH EXPEDITIOUSLY AND A LOT OF THIS WOULD BE ELIMINATED. THAT'S MY OPINION.

THAT'S MY SIMPLE OBSERVATION. BUT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE THE STATE HANDLE THIS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT, THERE'S NO EXEMPTIONS, A FEE STRUCTURE, THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING IN. I THINK IT'S TIME TO WAIT AND SEE. THE ONLY THING I COULD DO TODAY IS MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ALSO REQUEST THAT OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE

ENFORCE THE NOISE ORDINANCE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOMEONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO COME OVER AND ADDRESS THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YEAH, ONE THING IS, LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID, I ALWAYS CALL IT LIKE A 5% RULE.

YOU'RE MAKING AN ORDINANCE FOR 5% OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING WRONG. I THINK ENFORCEMENT'S KEY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SEE THE BOARD TODAY AGREE TO LET ADMINISTRATION PROBABLY HIRE TWO CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IF POSSIBLE, GET THEM TRAINED, HAVE THEM ON THE WEEKENDS AND NIGHTS.

THEY WOULD BE HIRED AND UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK. AND WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE LAWS ENFORCED THAT WE HAVE. I DO LIKE THE OCCUPANCY LEVEL.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE STAGED AND WOULD DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, YOU GET DOWN TO OCCUPANCY. WHEN I TRAVEL I HAVE 11 PEOPLE BECAUSE I USUALLY TAKE MY KIDS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

WE'RE NOT PARTIERS. WE'RE NOT MAKING NOISE.

SO IF YOU HAVE THIS ORDINANCE OF 10 OR MORE, SAY WE'RE GOING TO THE MOUNTAINS, I'M IN VIOLATION OF AN ORDINANCE AND WOULDN'T DO THAT. THEN I GO BACK TO A HOTEL AND HAVE TO GET TWO OR THREE ROOMS OR RENT TWO HOUSES.

THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF. AND I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE BEEN TO ATLANTIC VIEW AND I'VE SEEN IT ACROSS FROM MY PARENTS HOUSE. THERE'S ONE THAT DOES A GOOD JOB. THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NOISE.

PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING. IT CAN BE A PROBLEM.

BUT IF WE CAN ENFORCE WHAT HAVE AND HAVE PEOPLE TO ENFORCE IT, I'M ALL FOR THAT. THE OCCUPANCY, MAYBE WE COULD START AND HAVE IT STAGED DOWN WHERE PEOPLE KNOW.

ONE THING, BACK TO WHAT LEGAL SAID, WITH REGISTRATION, IF YOU COULD HAVE A SIMPLE REGISTRATION, THAT'S FINE.

IN BUSINESS, WHEN THEY CHANGE SOMETHING AND Y'ALL AS ATTORNEYS, THEY DON'T GO OUT AND CALL YOU.

YOU HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT OR THEY SEND YOU A LETTER.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING IF YOU'RE IN THAT BUSINESS OF RENTING AND IT'S CHANGED THE OCCUPANCY LEVEL, IT'S YOUR JOB TO KNOW THAT. THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS.

I GET THINGS ALL THE TIME FROM THE STATE TO CHANGE WHAT I HAVE TO DO OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND I HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.

THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. LIKE I SAID, WE WILL TAKE A BREAK UNTIL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT CAN GET HERE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION ON THIS, TOO. ONCE FOLKS REALIZE THERE IS ADDITIONAL REGULATION OR THINGS THEY MUST COME INTO COMPLIANCE

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EITHER THEY WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE.

NUMBER TWO, THEY WILL AVOID COMPLIANCE AND GO UNDERGROUND.

OR NUMBER THREE, THEY'LL END UP TAKING WHAT HAS REGULARLY BEEN A SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT AND NO LONGER USE IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FACILITY AND USE IT AS A SINGLE-FAMILY UNIT.

THAT'S ONE THING I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH BECAUSE WHEN WE RAMP UP AND GET ALL THIS COMMITMENT TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, THERE COULD BE SOME ATTRITION THAT NATURALLY OCCURS AS A RESULT. I TELL YOU, ONE THING THAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING IS SEE EDUCATION OF FOLKS WHEN THEY REALIZE THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND SOMEBODY COMES KNOCKING ON THEIR DOOR. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW SOON WE WOULD EXPECT THE SHERIFF'S PERSON BUT ONE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT BECAUSE IT MAY BE SOME TIME BEFORE SOMEONE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

>> WE CAN DO THAT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS HERE THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING. DO Y'ALL WANT TO TAKE A SHORT

BREAK OR DO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW? >> THE PUBLIC'S BEEN WAITING.

WE'RE GOING TO START PUBLIC COMMENT AND TRY TO GET IN TOUCH

WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. >> WE WILL NOW START TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE.

AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IT'S THREE MINUTES.

AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CALL-INS. SO LET'S START WITH THE CALL-INS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE LIVE AUDIENCE.

CALL IN, NAME AND ADDRESS, CALL IN, NAME AND ADDRESS, AGENDA

ITEM 1. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY,

COMMISSIONERS? >> YES, SIR, TOM, GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR. COMMISSIONERS, I ASK THAT YOU VOTE NO ON THIS. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST COMPLICATED THINGS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN COME BEFORE YOU IN A LONG TIME. I'M REALLY GLAD FOR SMITH'S THOROUGH QUESTIONING ON ALL OF THIS STUFF.

I'M ALSO GLAD WITH WHAT WALDRON ADDED IN.

I KNOW YOU BOYS KNOW THIS. BUT REMEMBER, IT IS TOURISM THAT IS THE FUEL FOR OUR ECONOMY. I DON'T WANT TO START REGULATING PEOPLE. NOW WHAT ABOUT OVER HERE IN CRESCENT BEACH, SOME OF THESE AND SIX AND FIVE BEDROOM HOMES? CAN THEY ONLY HAVE TEN PEOPLE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MR. AND MR. SMITH COMES WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM WHEN THEY USED TO BRING 20 OR 30 KIDS AND RENT THREE TWO-BEDROOMS? YOU NEED TO BOOT THIS. YEARS AGO WHEN THIS MONSTER CAME UP, PATRICK MCCORMACK INTERJECTED BOOTING IT.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH IT. SO COMMISSIONERS, TO CREATE THIS KIND OF ORDINANCE WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE LAWS.

REMEMBER, COMMISSIONERS, I CAN'T [INDISCERNIBLE] AND PLAY RAP MUSIC. I WOULD BE ARRESTED FOR DISTURBING THE PEACE. SO COMMISSIONERS, IF I PARK MY CAR IN YOUR FRONT LAWN, YOU'RE GOING TO TOW MY CAR.

SO WHY DO WE NEED TO CREATE THIS? SOME PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES PAST 10:00 OR 11:00 AT NIGHT.

WELL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY NOISE, YOU MOVE OUT TO THE COUNTRY. AND IF YOU LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND DON'T WANT TO SMELL ANY HORSE CRAP OR COW MANURE, YOU DON'T LIVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

I DON'T LIVE IN A HIGH-RISE IF I'M AFRAID OF HEIGHTS.

THESE PEOPLE WANT $60 MILLION WORTH OF [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO RENT A HOUSE AND COME THERE AND ENJOY IT WITH THEIR FRIENDS. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'M TIRED OF WHINERS. THIS IS FLORIDA.

WE'RE FAMOUS FOR OUR BEACHES. WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE GOING FOR US BUT TOURISM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I DON'T WANT IT HAMPERED IN ANY WAY.

THE OLD CITY COMMISSIONERS [INDISCERNIBLE] PUPPETS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. WE HAVE GOT A BUNCH OF [INDISCERNIBLE] 80% SO LET'S CRACK DOWN.

TELL THE WHINERS THAT IF THEY'RE CALLING YOU UP, "OH, SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR IS PARTYING," TELL THEM THE CALL THE POLICE.

IF SOMEBODY'S DISTURBING THE PEACE, SEND THEM TO HOTEL JAIL AND GET OUT AND BAIL. THERE IS ONE GOOD THING THOUGH.

IF YOU DO YES FOR IT, YOU'LL QUALIFY FOR A CALIFORNIA

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THANK YOU, TOM.

>> THEY LOVE TO CREATE A BUNCH OF MESS.

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>> TOM, TOM, THREE MINUTES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TOM. THANK YOU.

>> -- MAKE THIS ALL BETTER. >> THANK YOU, TOM.

NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, THREE MINUTES.

>> HI, THIS IS SANDRA MARVIN, 343 RIRIVER VIEW DRIVE.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. I'VE BUILT AND LIVED IN A VERY LARGE HOUSE ON ATLANTIC VIEW AND HAD PROBLEMS WITH A RENTAL NEXT DOOR. AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THE HOSTS, THEY DON'T WANT BIG PARTIES. PEOPLE VIOLATE THIS AND TRY AND GET BY ALL OF THE HOST/OWNER RULES.

AND WHEN WE CALLED THE POLICE FOR SUPPORT, THEY SAY THERE'S NOTHING THEY CAN DO. AN EXAMPLE WAS ONE HUGE PARTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO MY HOME AND THEY HAD 40, 50 PEOPLE PARKING IN MY YARD AND PARKING SO ANY KIND OF POLICE OR FIRE COULDN'T GET THROUGH AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT. WE TRIED TO GET HOLD OF THE HOST OWNERS. IT WAS BY A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

THEY THREW THIS PARTY WITHOUT PERMISSION.

SO I WANT PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT THESE PARTIES ARE NOT WHAT THE HOSTS WANT BECAUSE IT TEARS UP THEIR PROPERTY.

AND I DO WANT TO TAKE SOME EXCEPTION TO MR. DEAN'S COMMENTS AN ABOUT A PARTY EVERY WEEKEND. I DON'T SEE THAT.

I'M ON MY PROPERTY NEARLY EVERY THREE OR FOUR DAYS.

THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH PARTY PROBLEM.

I WOULD AGREE 100% TO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE WEEKENDS.

HELP THESE PROPERTY OWNERS MANAGE ANY PROBLEM TENANTS.

THEY DON'T WANT THEM AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO KICK THEM IF WE CAN WITH BACKUP BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GET NO BACKUP.

IF A SHERIFF ARRIVES, YOU'VE GOT TO TAKE THIS TO THE COURT TO EVICT. NOT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS YOU DON'T AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO THERE'S A TRAINING AND UNDERSTANDING PROBLEM WITH THAT.

A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH, NUMBER 5, SOLID WASTE ONLY ON THE DAY OF PICKUP. THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD PICKS UP AND PUTS OUT THEIR GARBAGE ON SUNDAY EVENING BECAUSE THEY COME BEFORE DAYLIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME EXCEPTION FOR THAT SO THERE'S NOT A COMPLAINT THAT WE GET GIGGED FOR FOR THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

THERE'S ALSO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTRACTS.

IF SOMEBODY'S ON A PLATFORM LIKE AIRBNB AND VRBO, MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM. MAYBE THAT'S A POINT OF DISCUSSION. THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OCCUPANCY, LIKE PAUL SAID, THAT'S ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.

TEN IS TOO LITTLE FOR SOME HOUSES BUT THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING. WHAT ARE THEY INSPECTING FOR? WHO'S GOING TO DECIDE AND WHO'S GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER COMPLAINTS ARE BOGUS OR LEGIT? SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO DRIVE THE THE STR'S OUT OF BUSINESS.

LIKE PAUL SAID, YOU'VE GOT 5%. >> MA'AM, WE HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIMIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SINCE I WAS MENTIONED ON THE COMMENT, LET ME SAY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS HAS TOLD ME NUMEROUS TIMES EVERY WEEKEND THERE'S A MAD PARTY. SO I WOULD TAKE EXCEPTION TO HER COMMENT WHO TOOK EXCEPTION TO MINE.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I SEE NO OTHER CALL-INS, SO LET'S TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE UNTIL WE'RE READY TO GO.

WE HAVE A SHERIFF SPOKESMAN HERE.

WE'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND. NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.

>> INDIVIDUALS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THEIR PROPERTIES AS THEY SEE FIT. HOWEVER, THE NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED FROM CATERED AND NON-CATERED PARTIES, LOUD NOISE ON A 24-HOUR BASIS, DRUNKENNESS AND BOISTEROUS BEHAVIORS. AT THE RECENT ST. JOHNS PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, I SAT HERE AND STATED YOU WORK ALL YOUR LIFE, SAVE YOUR MONEY, RETIRE FROM YOUR PREVIOUS JOB, YOU MOVE TO A HOME IN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIALLY ZONED AREA.

I DID ANY RESEARCH WITH A REALTOR.

I CAME TO THE SOUTHERN END OF ANASTASIA ISLAND TO LIVE IN THE RESIDENTIAL, NOT COMMERCIAL AREA, 11 YEARS AGO.

SOME PEOPLE WHO READ THIS IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD WROTE IN THE NEWSPAPER BLOG AS WELL AS ON FACEBOOK THAT I SHOULD GO BACK TO WHERE I CAME FROM, THAT I SHOULD GO TO AN HOA SUBDIVISION,

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THE RENTAL COMPANIES WISH TO BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOW DO YOU DO WITH A STREAM OF PARTY GOERS REGULARLY WITH WEDDINGS, LARGE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, FIREWORKS AT 1:30 IN THE MORNING, WITH MULTIPLE FAMILIES UNDER ONE ROOF FOR THREE TO FOUR DAYS. WHEN THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE AN AVERAGE OF FOUR PEOPLE.

WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO LEAVE THE AREA WHEN THE ZONING HASN'T CHANGED, ONLY THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE MOVED TO OUR BEACH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? WE ASK THAT YOU LIMIT TO A MAXIMUM OF 8 TO 10 PEOPLE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE BE ENFORCED IN ITS TOTALITY NOT JUST WEEKEND BUT ANY TIME NECESSARY.

THAT COMES FROM THE STATUTE. WE ASK CODE ENFORCEMENT BE EXPANDED NIGHTTIME AND WEEKENDS. WE ASK THAT RENTALS BE RESTRICTED SUCH THAT THE LOCALS CANNOT COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD EN MASSE FOR PARTIES THEY DON'T WANT IN THEIR OWN HOMES AND NOT PERMIT GROUPS OF PEOPLE FROM TEMPORARILY LIVING UNDER ONE ROOF FOR A FEW DAYS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WE APPRECIATE IT.

[APPLAUSE] >> PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE OR DISAPPROVAL EITHER WAY PLEASE. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS CIVIL.

YES, NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER. >> JUST INFORM THE BOARD, SPOKE WITH THE SHERIFF, HE'S GOING TO CALL IN ON THE PHONE AND WE HAVE DIRECTOR MARTIN AS WELL. HE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SUBJECT MATTER. HE'LL BE CALLING IN AND WE'LL HEAR FROM DIRECTOR MARTIN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YES, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM.

>> HI, GOOD MORNING, CHRISTINA CANDLER.

I WORK FOR A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND I'M WITH THE RENTAL MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. I HAVE POINTS TO RUN THROUGH TO BEAT THAT TIMER. FIRST YOU HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT LAWSUITS. IN FLAGLER COUNTY WHERE THEY HAVE A LIMIT OF 10, THERE WAS A LAWSUIT THERE.

IT WAS SETTLED OUT OF COURT. THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE NAMED IN THE LAWSUIT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN.

I BELIEVE IT PHASED BUT THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND STILL ALLOWED TO HAVE IT. AND IN ANNA MARIA THEY HAD CLAIMS RELATED TO OCCUPANCY AND THAT WAS ABOUT A $30 MILLION LAWSUIT AND ENDED WITH GRANDFATHERING.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT LIMITS, WHICH I SUPPORT AS A MOM, I'VE SEEN A HOUSE LISTED WITH EIGHT BEDS ON A LOFT AND AS A MOM, I'M LIKE, OH MY GOD, MY KIDS WOULD JUMP ON THAT.

AS A PROPERTY MANAGER, I CAN SEE THE LIABILITY RACKING UP THERE.

DOING A TWO PER TWO WILL HELP RESOLVE THAT.

IT WON'T ALLOW YOU TO HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN A FOUR-BEDROOM HOME.

TWO OCCUPANTS PER BEDROOM AND TWO OCCUPANTS PER PUBLIC AREA.

CODE ENFORCEMENT ABSOLUTELY 100% AGREE.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE WEEKENDS.

THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME KIND OF TRAINING PERHAPS FOR SOME OF THE OFFICERS WITH THE POLICE WHO ARE RESPONDING TO PARTIES.

WITH THE TRANSIENT PUBLIC LICENSING, SIMILAR TO A HOTEL, I KNOW IT GETS WEIRD BECAUSE SOME THINGS ARE AND AREN'T SIMILAR TO HOTELS, BUT JUST LIKE AT A HOTEL, IF YOU WANT SOMEONE AT A PROPERTY, YOU WOULDN'T TELL SOMEBODY AT THE HOTEL THEY HAVE TO GO TO COURT TO GET THEM OUT. YOU GET THEM OUT RIGHT AWAY.

TRAINING TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT ENFORCEMENT THEY HAVE WITH GETTING UNWANTED PARTIERS OUT WOULD HELP AS WELL.

TO THE STATE EXEMPTION, THAT IS MOVING THROUGH AND GONE THROUGH TWO COMMITTEES. IT REQUIRES LISTING PLATFORMS TO HAVE THE REGISTRATION ACTORS TR UNDERGROUND OUT.

THERE WILL BE FINES UP TO $1,000.

I THINK YOU GET A WARNING ON THE FIRST.

THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST BEING WRITTEN IN SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THE BILL FOR THE FIRST COMMITTEE. IT'S FOR THE SECOND

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THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT REQUIRES PLATFORMS TO HAVE REGISTRATION NUMBERS TO BE ON THERE AND PUSH OUT BAD ACTORS.

IT HELPS WITH TAX REVENUE SO ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL GET THEIR TAXES, THE STATE WILL GET THEIRS.

MANY VACATIONERS ARE TURNING TO VACATION RENTALS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. WE ARE SURPASSING REVENUE FROM

VACATION RENTALS VERSUS HOTELS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

APPRECIATE IT >> IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE HAVE TWO PODIUMS. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND LINE UP SO WE CAN HEAR FROM EVERYONE.

>> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM.

>> LESLIE SHAPIRO. THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS ISSUE. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. VESTING.

REGULATIONS ROUTINELY CHANGE BECAUSE OF EXPANSION AND IN RECENT YEARS THE GROWTH OF VRBO AND AIRBNB HAVE CAUSED SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WEREN'T THERE A FEW YEARS AGO. PROBLEMS BY BAD ACTORS AND PARTY HOUSES AND NEED TO BE CORRECTED NOW.

WE CAN'T KEEP PASSING THIS DOWN THE ROAD.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND PROTECTED.

AT LEAST CONSIDER PHASING THEM DOWN OR MAKING IT AT LEAST A NON-TRANSFERABLE. IF YOU'RE A RENTAL NOW AND YOU GUYS ALLOW THEM TO EXIST, PLEASE CONSIDER IT NOT BE TRANSFERABLE TO THE NEXT PERSON WHO OWNS THE HOUSE CAN'T CONTINUE TO PARTY HOUSES. OTHERWISE, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE BAD ACTORS A MONOPOLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS GRANDFATHERING IN THE WORST OFFENDERS IN PERPETUITY.

PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THAT. THE CAP OF TEN PEOPLE IS NOT A HARDSHIP BUT A FAIR AND EQUITABLE LIMIT.

WE ARE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL THESE HOUSES ADVERTISE THAT THEY ARE QUIET RESIDENTIAL STREETS. THEY CLAIM THEY'RE LAIDBACK, RELAXING, SAFE FOR YOUR KIDS. WELL, THEY'RE NOT WHEN 20, 30 CARS COME ROARING IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF MY NEIGHBOR IS HAVING A SUPER BOWL PARTY, I'M NOT CALLING IT IN, BUT 20, 30 PEOPLE, THAT'S THE ONES I WOULD LIKE TO CALL IN BUT A LITTLE ISSUE THAT IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. AS A NEIGHBOR, AS A WOMAN LIVING NEXT DOOR TO THESE PARTY HOUSES, I'M A LITTLE AFRAID TO CALL THE COPS BECAUSE ONCE THE COPS LEAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO THE NEXT DAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO TO MY HOUSE, TO MY CARS, TO MY PROPERTY. WHEN I HAVE THEM WALKING THROUGH MY BACKYARD, ALL ABOUT THE GUYS WALKING THROUGH MY BACKYARD, I'M AFRAID TO CALL THE COPS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO DO. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GREAT, BUT WE NEED TO PUT THESE LIMITS IN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T BECOMING THE POLICING FORCE.

PUT IN A CONTROL. MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A SAFE PLACE TO BE A DESIRABLE PLACE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS.

YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO BE OUR HEROES, TO DO SOMETHING TO HELP US, THE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WHO BOUGHT INTO THIS QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT OUR HOME WOULD RETAIN ITS VALUE, BE A SAFE, SECURE PLACE TO LIVE.

WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU. HELP US MANAGE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERLY. PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE NOW AND CONSERVE IT FOR THE FUTURE. IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> HI.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> BARBARA GOLDBERG, 6010 A1A SOUTH. I INTENTIONALLY SELECTED THIS AREA FOR ITS LACK OF RENTALS AND ITS RESPECT FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY OWNER. THE RENTALS HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. I AGREE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT AGREE THAT IN A SINGLE-FAMILY ZONED PROPERTY SHOULD BE USED AS WEDDING VENUES, FOOD TRUCKS, PARTY VENUES WITH DEEJAYS, BANDS, TENTS, TABLES, ET CETERA.

THIS IS CERTAINLY A MINI HOTEL SITUATION WHERE MULTIPLE GROUPS OF PEOPLE RENT A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR LESS THAN ONE WEEK. THESE RENTALS ADVERTISE THEIR PROPERTIES ON HOTEL INTERNET SITES IF YOU CHECK, SUCH AS EXPEDIA, AS WELL AS AIRBNB AND VRBO.

I WAS TOLD THE CALL THE POLICE BY THE RENTAL OWNER WHO NEVER LIVED IN THE PROPERTY IF IT WEDNESDAY ON AFTER 11:00 PM.

CALLED THE POLICE, THEY CAME OUT, THEY LEFT, IT STARTED

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SINCE THAT, THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER WEDDINGS AT THIS HOUSE BUT HAVE NOT BEEN CITED UNTIL THEY GO ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEMBERS AGREE THAT THE PERSON SHORT-TERM RENTALS NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOULD CONFORM.

PLEASE HELP US, LIMIT RENTAL HOMES TO 8 TO 10 MAXIMUM GUESTS.

DO NOT GRANDFATHER IN THE EXISTING RENTAL PROPERTIES CONVERTED SOLELY FOR MONETARY GAIN.

WE ALSO BAULTH -- BOUGHT OUR HOUSES AND PUT MONEY IN.

THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO AND IT'S BECOMING A PROBLEM. TO GRANDFATHER IN EVERY RENTAL CURRENTLY DOING BUSINESS OTHERWISE IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO EVERYONE HERE THAT IS TELLING YOU A REAL PROBLEM EXISTS.

WE BEG FOR YOUR HELP. THESE RENTAL PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR $1500 WHETHER THEY RENT PER NIGHT TO ONE PERSON OR 20 PEOPLE. LET'S GET AWAY FROM THE MINI HOTEL MODEL, HIRE MORE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

LET'S GET SERIOUS ABOUT FINDING NON-COMPLIANT PEOPLE WITH BEDS IN THE KITCHEN, LAUNDRY ROOM, ELSEWHERE, STICK TO THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A SLEEPING ROOM IS, POST THESE INSPECTIONS ONLINE SO WE HAVE EASY ACCESS TO SEE IF THEY'RE COMPLIANT.

WE NEED ACTION NOW. PLEASE HELP US.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM, APPRECIATE IT.

YES, SIR. COME FORWARD.

>> COME FORWARD TO MICROPHONES, THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME'S CHARLES, 5530 ATLANTIC VIEW.

I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME SONG SHEET HERE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A MODEST REGISTRATION ACTIVITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT RESTRICTING HEADS AND BEDS TO A NUMBER SUCH AS 10.

I'LL USE THAT HYPOTHETICALLY. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESIDENTS BECOME THE POINT, THE ARROW POINT OF THE ENFORCEMENT, WHERE WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHO TO CALL AND VARIOUS ENTITIES WILL BE STAFFED UP TO FIELD THOSE CALLS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE

LOOKING AT? >> I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A MULTIPLE CHOICE HERE. I THINK EACH OF US HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AS A COMMISSION.

I WILL SAY THIS. I THINK THAT YOUR FIRST TWO POINTS I AGREE WITH. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON YOUR OWN. I THINK YOU CAN CALL.

WE'RE WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE SHERIFF.

I THINK THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK IN WITH THE SHERIFF OR CODE ENFORCEMENT ON NOISE, OFF-STREET PARKING AND OTHER

ISSUES. >> I'M PRETTY SURE THE SHERIFF DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH GARBAGE CANS AND RAHA -- RACCO IN THEIR GARBAGE.

>> THAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> WHAT WE DO HERE IS NOT CASTING CONCRETE. WE GET IT OUT, WE RUN IT THROUGH, IT WORKS OR DOESN'T, WE CHANGE IT.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO LIVE WITH FOR A HUNDRED YEARS. SO LET'S NOT BE TOO BASHFUL ABOUT MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

>> HI, MY NAME IS KATHLEEN. I LIVE AT 117 SERENITY BAY BOULEVARD. I HAVE A VACATION RENTAL EAST OF A1A WITHIN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

THERE ARE REGULATIONS AND WE GET INSPECTED AND WHATNOT.

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY RULES UNDER CODE ENFORCEMENT SUCH AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, I DID A LITTLE MATH AND ON MY 2200 SQUARE FOOT VACATION RENTAL THAT I HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 8, I HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS. I ALLOW TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOMS. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A FLOPHOUSE.

I DON'T ALLOW EXTRA PEOPLE TO SLEEP ON COUCHES OR AIR MATTRESSES. UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING, HE SAID ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 150 SQUARE FEET.

MY LITTLE 2200 SQUARE FOOT, THAT WOULD ALLOW 14 PEOPLE.

SOME HOUSES ARE 3,000 SQUARE FEET.

THAT WOULD ALLOW 20 PEOPLE. IF YOU DON'T WANT 20 PEOPLE IN A HOUSE, YOU'LL NEED TO PUT CAPS ON THAT.

OTHERWISE IF POLICE ARE CALLED, THERE'S NO RULE IN PLACE TO

[02:10:01]

SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE LIVE AUDIENCE HERE? YES, SIR. IF YOU'RE WAITING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP AND FORM A QUEUE LINE SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING FASTER AS POSSIBLE. THE CHAIRMAN'S MENTIONED THAT TWICE NOW. SPEAKERS APPROACH THE PODIUM.

YES, SIR. >> MY NAME IS BRENDAN O'CONNELL AND I LIVE AT 10 OCEAN SIDE DRIVE, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

LET ME GIVE YOU MY EXPERIENCE. FOR 20 YEARS I WAS A SUMMER RESIDENT HERE AT 10 OCEAN SIDE DRIVE.

DURING THE OFF SEASON, I RENTED TO FLAGLER STUDENTS, GOOD KIDS.

I TOLD THEM ALL, YOU'VE GOT TO WATCH PARTIES WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THEY ASSURED ME THEY WOULD HAVE REGULATED PARTIES OR NONE AT ALL.

FOR 20 YEARS, I WOULD GET THREE OR FOUR CALLS A YEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS SAYING, "DO YOU REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON AT YOUR HOUSE? DO YOU REALIZE THAT THESE COLLEGE KIDS STATE TO PEOPLE THAT THERE'S A PARTY AND BY WILDFIRE IT GOES THROUGHOUT THE BEACH AND EVERYBODY SHOWS UP?" AND I'LL GIVE I DON'T KNOW AN EXAMPLE.

TWO EX-GIS RENTED THE PLACE AND WENT TO FLAGLER AFTER FINISHING THEIR MILITARY DUTY. AND THEY HAD ONE PARTY.

135 PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THE PARTY.

YOU CAN'T CONTROL THE YOUNG PEOPLE PARTY AT BEACH.

IT'S WILDFIRE HERE IN THIS TOWN. SO I AM ASKING THAT YOU LIMIT IT TO TEN. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS EVEN WITH THE TEN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO PAY GOOD MONEY FOR THIS WEEKEND EVENT AND NOBODY'S GOING TO TELL THEM HOW THEY SHOULD BEHAVE. AND YOU HAVE ALCOHOL INVOLVED, WHICH WORKS FIRST, AS YOU KNOW, ON THE HIGHER CENTERS OF THE BRAIN AND ENFORCES ENTITLEMENT THAT, BY GOD, NOBODY'S GOING TO INTERFERE WHAT I'M PAYING GOOD MONEY FOR.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE.

TO ENFORCE THIS, IT IS GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.

AND IF THEY WANT TO BRING IN 15 OR 20 OR 35 PEOPLE, THEY WILL DO IT. DON'T EVER THINK THAT THEY WON'T. SO PLEASE, PLEASE GIVE US A LIMIT IN ORDER IN THAT WE CAN SAVE OUR QUIET ENJOYMENT IN OUR HOMES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? I HAVE -- IT SHOWS ONE CALL-IN.

DO WE HAVE A CALL-IN? YES, GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS

PLEASE. >> GRETCHEN [INDISCERNIBLE] 2805

SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO.

I HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHERS THAT ARE AROUND THE AREA IN BOTH MILANO, DOWNTOWN ST.

AUGUSTINE AND IN THE ATLANTIC VIEW AREA.

I SPOKE TO THAT GENTLEMAN. I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND SAY OUT LOUD TO THE GROUP THAT WHILE I AM IN FAVOR OF SOME REGULATIONS, IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB TO SQUASH A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE HOMEOWNERS AND/OR, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF TRADES KEEPERS IN THE AREA, THE GUESTS WHO COME IN FOR THE MOST PART ARE FAMILIES WHO ARE COMING, THEY'RE QUIET. WE DO HAVE BAD APPLES.

AND THAT'S THE SAME IN ANY INDUSTRY.

WE HAVE BAD RESTAURANTS. WE HAVE BAD HOTELS.

WE HAVE BAD ANY SITUATION, ANY INDUSTRY YOU WANT TO GO TO.

SO YOU CAN'T SQUASH AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY BASED ON PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING IN AND FEEDING OUR REVENUE GOALS AS OUR MUNICIPALITY AND GROWING IT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR LOCALS IN BUSINESS, KEEP OUR RESTAURANTS GOING.

TOURISM IS THE REASON FOR IT. SO WHILE WE DO WANT TO PUT REGULATIONS IN PLACE AND I HEAR FOLKS' HESITATIONS, I WOULD

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SHERIFF THAT CALLED IN.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SHERIFF, THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN. WE APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US.

WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF YOUR DIRECTORS HERE AS WELL.

SHERIFF, THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP, AND I THINK SEVERAL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS AS WELL, IS -- BUT LET ME START.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE CURRENT ROLE OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IN ENFORCING SOME OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, WHETHER IT'S NOISE, SOME OF THE ISSUES? COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT FOR US?

>> SURE, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CALL IN. I APOLOGIZE I'M NOT THERE.

I'M ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS IS IN RESPECT TO ALL FIVE AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THE SHORT-TERM BUSINESS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IN THE COUNTING HEADS BUSINESS. WE'RE IN THE CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT BUSINESS. THIS REALLY KIND OF TESTED OUR AUTHORITATIVE POWERS AS FAR AS WHEN THIS COVID-19 STUFF TOOK OFF LAST YEAR AND GOVERNOR DESANTIS PUT IN PLACE.

WITH THAT SAID, IT WAS A FAILED AND FLAWED SYSTEM.

THE GOVERNOR WENT BACK AND REWROTE, HIS STAFF DID, REWROTE THESE EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND PUT THE ONUS ON DIVISION OF PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS REGULATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY ENFORCED THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUFF DURING THE COVID-19 UP UNTIL THIS DATE.

I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN ST. AUGUSTINE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG BATTLE. LAW ENFORCEMENT GOT INVOLVED BUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN. AND WE DESIGNED OUR PROCESS OF RESPONSIVENESS MEASURES. WITH THAT BEING SAID, UNDER TWO SQUARE MILES OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED PERMITS. WE'VE BEEN MAXED OUT THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE ONES WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT ONLINE, THE AIRBNBS.

I WILL SAY THIS, WORKING WITH MY COUNTERPARTS WITH THE ST.

AUGUSTINE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT'S NOT ALL THE TIME BUT THERE'S THOSE BAD EGGS JUST LIKE IN EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO WE CURRENTLY ENFORCE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES.

SO IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A HOUSE THAT'S OUT OF CONTROL, WE USE THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND THE CURRENT DISTURBING THE PEACE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE AND THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE FOR TRESPASSING. IF THERE'S AN OPEN HOUSE PARTY WITH NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS, WE CAN CHARGE THE PERSON WHO OWNS OR MANAGES THAT PROPERTY WITH FLORIDA STATE STATUTE FOR ALLOWING AN OPEN HOUSE PARTY, DISRUPTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

CURRENTLY WE ARE NOT ENFORCING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

AND I WILL RELY ON THEM NOW TO ASSIST US WITH ENFORCING THESE

SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> OKAY, SHERIFF.

I APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION THAT HAVE COME UP. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.

AND THIS HAS PROBABLY BEEN QUESTIONED.

MR. CEARLEY, ARE WE GETTING THE FEES THAT WERE LAID OUT TO COVER THE $600,000 IN PROJECTED EXPENSES FROM THE REGISTRATION OR IS THAT -- ARE THOSE FEES COMING FROM ANOTHER SOURCE?

>> YEAH, THE FEES WILL BE COMING FROM THE APPLICATION

REGISTRATION. >> SO WITHOUT THE REGISTRATION ELEMENT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY INCOME TO COVER THE FULL-TIME

EMPLOYEES NECESSARY? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU MR. CEARLEY. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.

[02:20:04]

>> WE DO HAVE THAT ABILITY, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE.

AGAIN, WE TRY TO SEEK COMPLIANCE RATHER THAN ISSUE CITATIONS, BUT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE NEED TO ISSUE A CITATION, WE DO HAVE A PROCESS FOR THAT, ABSOLUTELY. I

>> RECEIVED A TICKET DRIVING THROUGH THE SAME TOWN OF SOUTH CAROLINA TWICE IN THE SAME YEAR AND NEVER SPED THROUGH THAT TOWN AGAIN. I THINK SOMETIMES FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES CAN BE A NECESSARY DETERRENT.

AS MUCH AS I DO NOT WANT TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY BUSINESS OWNER, IF WE HAVE REPEAT OFFENDERS, I THINK SOMETIMES HAVING THOSE, FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES, IT'S A NECESSARY EVIL. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. IF WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS, WITH OR WITHOUT WHATEVER WE DO TODAY, THAT SAYS SOMEBODY CANNOT USE SOUND EQUIPMENT FROM 10:00 PM TO 7:00 AM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF A NEIGHBOR CAPTURED SPEAKERS BLARING MUSIC THAT WAS LEAVING THE FOUR WALLS OF THAT RESIDENCE AND IMPACTING THEIR SLEEP, IF THEY CAPTURED THAT SOUND, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY CITE THAT TRANSIENT

PROPERTY. >> YOU ARE CORRECT, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WE DO HAVE INSTRUMENTS TO DETECT THAT AND WE DO ENFORCE THAT WHEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, AGAIN

ON A CODE COMPLAINT PHILOSOPHY. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR YOU. FOR LEGAL THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF I MAY, ONE OF THE PEOPLE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN WE WOULD BE LEGALLY EXPOSED CITING A CASE IN FLAGLER COUNTY IF WE SET THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AT TEN.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THAT >>

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, YOU ARE CORRECT, THERE WAS LITIGATION IN FLAGLER COUNTY. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF VACATION RENTAL OPERATORS THAT HAD SUED FLAGLER COUNTY FOR A NUMBER OF THINGS, INCLUDING TO INVALIDATE THE ORDINANCE IN THE FIRST PLACE BUT ALSO CLAIMING THEIR INVESTMENT EXPECTATIONS HAD BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIRED BY THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A MAXIMUM OF TEN UNITS OR TEN OCCUPANTS PER UNIT.

FLAGLER WAS SUCCESSFUL IN UP HOLDING THEIR ORDINANCE.

AN INITIAL PRELIMINARY INJUNCTIVE STAGE AND RESOLVED THE INITIAL CLAIMS FOR NO AMOUNT WITH THE PLAINTIFFS BUT DID PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VESTING FOR THOSE PLAINTIFFS, EXTENDING THEIR ALREADY FAIRLY GENEROUS VESTING.

IN FLAGLER COUNTY THEY PROVIDED TO EVENTUALLY GET TO TEN.

THEY STARTED BY DROPPING DOWN TO 14 FOR THREE YEARS.

THEN 12 FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS BEFORE GETTING TO 10.

SO THEY GAVE REALLY SIX YEARS OF VESTING FOR OCCUPANCY.

BUT I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, THERE WERE CLAIMS. THEY DID NOT END UP PAYING OUT.

BUT WE'VE DONE ADDITIONAL RESEARCH AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF CLAIMS UNDER THE ACT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE MADE ANY PAYMENTS, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN OF THE LEGAL OFFICE IN TERMS OF PROVIDING ADEQUATE TIME FOR FOLKS TO REALIZE ANY INVESTMENT.

BACK TO EXPECTATIONS, HAVING CONSTRUCTED A HOME THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR GREATER OCCUPANCY AND THEN HAVE TO MEET A LOWER STANDARD. AND IF I COULD THROUGH THE CHAIR, I WANTED TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST'S QUESTION TO MR. WHITE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS.

THE STATUTE ON CODE ENFORCEMENTS HAS LIMITATIONS ON THE COUNTY'S ABILITY TO ISSUE CITATION BASED PURELY ON TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES OR NEIGHBORS. IT DOES REQUIRE PERSONAL INVESTIGATION OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WHICH WE HAVE INTERPRETED TO MEAN ACTUAL OBSERVATION OR AT LEAST REVIEW OF EVIDENCE. SO IF IT WERE JUST PURELY BASED ON THE COMPLAINT, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ISSUE A CITATION BASED ON THAT. I THINK THAT HAS CAUSED SOME OF THE CONCERN FROM THE BOARD AND PUBLIC THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS STAFFING ON THE WEEKEND, THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ISSUE A CITATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT OBSERVED IT. AND SOME OF THAT IS THE LIMITATIONS IN THE STATUTE REQUIRING A PERSONAL INVESTIGATION BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BEFORE THEY CAN ISSUE A CITATION. SO I HOPE I'VE ADDRESSED BOTH OF

[02:25:04]

>> IN YOUR OPINION, IS THERE A SAFER AMOUNT OF MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY THAT WOULD BE SAFER LEGALLY FOR THIS BOARD?

>> I DO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT.

>> OR IS ANY AMOUNT GOING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LEGAL RISK

>> >> I THINK THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR LEGAL EXPOSURE AND PATRICK AND I HAVE DISCUSSED IT AND I CAN PASS IT ON TO HIM THAT THE GENERAL RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO FOLLOW THE FLAGLER MODEL SINCE THEY ARE A NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP ALSO ADDRESS THE EXPECTATIONS THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE KNOWING THAT, WELL, FLAGLER HAS A SIMILAR PERIOD OF VESTING.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY, IF WE HAD A SIMILAR PERIOD OF VESTING, THAT MAY HELP ADDRESS EXPECTATIONS SOMEBODY MAY HAVE IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCY. PATRICK, DID YOU WANT TO --

>> I DO. AND THIS IS A TYPE OF ISSUE WHERE THERE'S NOT SORT OF A CLEAR LINE.

YOU STEP ON THIS SIDE OF THE LINE, YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR.

YOU STEP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE, 100% LIABILITY.

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. IT'S MORE OF A SLIDING SCALE.

I AM ATTRACTED BY THE FLAGLER COUNTY MODEL FOR TWO REASONS.

NUMBER ONE, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH LITIGATION, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH DISPUTE RESOLUTION, THERE'S BEEN SORT OF A, I GUESS, KIND OF DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESS WHERE THEY HAVE KIND OF ARRIVED AT WHERE THEY GOT TO. AND AS BRAD SAID, SINCE IT IS IN A NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION, I THINK THAT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT AS PART OF A DEFENSE TO A CLAIM THAT THIS IS IN THE VERY NEXT JURISDICTION.

THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION OF VACATION RENTAL REGULATIONS HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND SO I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT. I DID WANT TO MAKE JUST ONE KIND OF COMMENT IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, IN GENERAL.

THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE HAS ENORMOUS POWER AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND REALLY THEIR SORT OF PALETTE OF BUSINESS IS BROADER THAN THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S IS VERY BROAD YOU BUT THE LEGISLATURE IS MORE BROAD. COUNTY ATTORNEY, I THINK THE VACATION RENTAL ASPECT IN MY OPINION HAS NOT BEEN THEIR FINEST HOUR. I THINK THIS BOARD HAS HEARD TODAY AND IN SOME PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ALMOST DEVASTATION THAT'S GONE ON IN SOME OF THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THIS KIND OF RELATIVELY NEW INDUSTRY, AT LEAST THE WAY IT'S BEING DONE, HAS BEEN PUT IN.

IT'S THE SAME FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT IS HAS ENACTED THIS BURKE J. HARRIS CLAIM TYPE ACT WHICH AGAIN IS VERY PROTECTIVE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND SO THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME BASIS FOR EXPOSURE. THAT WAS THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AS WELL. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO USE THESE COMMENTS TO CRITICIZE THEM, BUT IN OTHER WORDS, A LOT OF THESE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, ARE ON YOUR PLATE HERE TODAY THROUGH SOME DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN TALLAHASSEE.

BUT TO ANSWER THE DISTINCT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER DEAN, I DO THINK YOU HAVE HIT ON ONE OF THE AND PROBABLY THE MOST -- ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS, WHICH IS THE OCCUPANCY AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND A LIMITATION OF THAT.

I DO THINK TO SAY IF THE BOARD WERE TO ADOPT TODAY JUST A FLATOUT TEN CAP OR EVEN WITH A ONE YEAR, IT WOULD PROVIDE TO ME PROBABLY AN UNLEVEL SENSE OF EXPOSURE ON THAT.

I THINK THE ASPECT OF IF YOU'RE THERE TODAY, YOU'RE VESTED FOREVER, I THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

AND I THINK COMMISSIONER DEAN IS VERY APPROPRIATE IN DESCRIBING THAT AS KIND OF A NOT REALLY ACCEPTABLE TURNOUT.

I DO THINK THAT THE FLAGLER COUNTY TREATMENT OF THIS, AND I'LL JUST TELL THE BOARD, I SORT OF CALL IT LIKE I'M SEE IT.

I'M YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. TO ME, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE. PEOPLE COULD STILL MAKES CLAIMS BUT I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A THIS WHOLE THING IS A SLIDING E- SCALE. KIND OF THE LOWER OCCUPANCY LEVEL AND THE SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME IS THE MORE EXPOSURE.

[02:30:03]

THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAVE A

COUPLE MORE THINGS. >> PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>> I'M SENSITIVE TO THE SHERIFF'S REMARKS THAT A DEPUTY IN A MARKED VEHICLE COVERS A LOT OF MILES ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT.

AND SO FOR THEM TO BE THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S NOT AS RELIABLE AS WE MIGHT LIKE IT TO BE UNLESS WE ALLOCATE AN EMPLOYEE OR A DEPUTY JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO MY FINAL THOUGHT IS THIS.

TODAY I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF DOING NOTHING.

THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES, BUT I THINK IT STARTS WITH ENFORCING THE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS. IF THAT MEANS WE GIVE MR. WHITE AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THE NECESSARY FTES TO DO THAT THAT'S A GOOD PLACE TO STARTED AND I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THROUGH A FEE AND APPLICATIONS.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE SHERIFF HAD TO HANG UP BECAUSE HE HAD ANOTHER APPOINTMENT.

DIRECTOR MARTIN, CAN I GET YOU TO COME FORWARD, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? IF I UNDERSTOOD THE SHERIFF CORRECTLY, THE ROLE CURRENTLY BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS AN ENFORCEMENT OF CRIMINAL STATUTES, IF THERE'S A TRESPASS, SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC DISTURBANCE, IS THAT CORRECT? THERE WOULD BE NO ROLE AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT ON A CIVIL ASPECT?

>> NO, SIR. >> OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING OVER. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL FRAMEWORK TO UNDERSTAND THE ROLE BECAUSE I THINK Y'ALL WILL GET CALLS AND IF THEY FALL IN THE CRIMINAL STATUTES THOSE ARE ONE Y'ALL CAN ADDRESS.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE, CAN YOU ELABORATE VERY BRIEFLY HOW THAT WOULD BE INTERPRETED AS FAR AS A PUBLIC DISTURBANCE, MAYBE NOT EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH.

WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED.

>> SOME OF THE FOLLOW-UP LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, IF WE DO HAVE COMPLAINTS, WE COMMONLY GET COMPLAINTS. AND I WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW THAT ANYTHING WE'RE AFFORDING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE RESPONSIVE IN FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE. THAT'S OUTSIDE, THAT'S THE CIVIL SIDE OF OUR RESPONSE. THAT DOESN'T NEGATE THE FACT THAT WE STILL FIELD MULTIPLE CALLS TO GO TO THESE COMPLAINTS.

AND THEN ONCE WE IDENTIFY THAT IT IS THE CIVIL SIDE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD PASS THAT SIDE ON IN A REFERRAL.

WHEN WE GET INTO THE CRIMINAL ASPECT, DISORDERLY CONDUCT, REALLY JUST TRYING TO BE NEIGHBORLY IN GETTING FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND. IF WE HAVE MANAGEMENT OR HOMEOWNERS ASKING FOR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS TO LEAVE, THAT'S WHEN, AS SHERIFF SPOKE OF, WHEN YOU ENTER INTO THE TRESPASSING PORTION. TRESPASSING IS AN ENFORCEABLE CRIME, A MISDEMEANOR WHERE WE CAN TAKE ACTION AND ARREST AND GETS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEP IN AND ENFORCE THAT DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF IT.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? OKAY.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MARTIN, AND PLEASE THANK THE SHERIFF AS WELL FOR CALLING IN. DID WE FORMALLY CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT? >> NO.

>> IF I COULD JUMP IN WHILE WE HAVE DIRECTOR MARTIN HERE.

THERE ARE SOME COUNTY ORDINANCES, INCLUDING THE NOISE ORDINANCE, THAT THE SHERIFF IS AUTHORIZED TO ENFORCE.

THE BEACH CODE, FOR INSTANCE, THEY ISSUE CITATIONS FOR ALCOHOL ON THE BEACH. PARKING, THEY ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS. THE NOISE ORDINANCES DOES SPECIFICALLY AUTHORIZE THE SHERIFF TO ENFORCE THAT AS WELL AS CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ANIMAL CONTROL AS WELL WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANIMALS MAKING NOISES.

THERE ARE SOME COUNTY ORDINANCES ENFORCED BY THE SHERIFF AND WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WITH THE DIRECTOR AS WELL.

>> SURE, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

AND AS FAR AS CLARITY IS CONCERNED AS FAR AS THE CRIME THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH DISORDERLY CONDUCT OR TRESPASSING, SOME OF THE ENFORCEMENT, MY ENCOURAGEMENT IS GET CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE GUIDANCE SO WHEN WE DO ENFORCEMENT IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT TIMES.

AS YOU SEE, IT GOES FROM 10:00 TO 7:00 AND CERTAIN DAYS 11:00 TO 7:00 AND THINGS ON THAT SORT. SO JUST A LITTLE MORE GUIDANCE

ON THAT. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS?

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MARTIN. >> THANK YOU.

>> WHY DON'T WE GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> YES, DURING THE INTERIM WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CALL-INS THAT ARE NOW WAITING. SO WE WILL GO BACK TO THE CALL-IN PUBLIC COMMENTS. GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME

[02:35:01]

AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> ED SLAVEN.

I WANT YOU TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS DISCUSSION UP AND PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA. VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION.

I FEEL CONFIDENT, HAVING SEEN AN ACTION THE POLICE CHIEF IN ST.

AUGUSTINE THAT SHERIFF HARDWICK WILL DO A GOOD JOB.

THE PROBLEM WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN ST. AUGUSTINE COUNTY, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL LAW IS [INDISCERNIBLE].

THERE'S A SPIRIT STALKING ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR YEARS, THE SPIRIT OF NON-ENFORCEMENT. I AGREE WITH THE TEN-PERSON LIMIT ON A VACATION RENTAL UNLESS THE SIZE WOULD JUSTIFY A LARGER LIMIT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A REGISTRATION SYSTEM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO AND FIND OUT WHO OWNS THE PLACE IF YOU GET A COMPLAINT.

YOU NEED TO KNOW IN ADVANCE AND THERE NEEDS TO BE SIGNAGE.

I THINK THE COUNTY ATTORNEY NEEDS TO TAKE A MORE HANDS-ON APPROACH. IT SEEMS LIKE WE MOSTLY HEARD FROM HOWARD WHITE, WHO IS IN LARGE PART TO BLAME FOR A LOT OF THE DESTITUTE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY [INDISCERNIBLE].

I THINK THE IDEA OF PATTERNING SOMETHING AFTER FLAGLER COUNTY BECAUSE THEY HAD DISPUTE RESOLUTION, NO, GENTLEMEN.

DISPUTE RESOLUTION IS NOT TITLED TO BE [INDISCERNIBLE].

AND IF YOU REFER TO THE ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE [INDISCERNIBLE] JOURNAL WITH JUDGE [INDISCERNIBLE] IN 1989 [INDISCERNIBLE] ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTIONS, WE DON'T DEFER TO ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION IN ANOTHER COUNTY.

DO YOUR BEST, DO THE STRONGEST THING YOU CAN COME UP WITH LEGALLY AND CONSTITUTIONALLY. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY WHO'S A PROPERTY OWNER COMPLAINING THIS IS GOING TO BE IN ANY WAY BURDENSOME. AND TO INVOKE THE PROTECTION ACT AT THIS STAGE, IT IS A BOGUS ARGUMENT [INDISCERNIBLE] WOULD ALWAYS SAY [INDISCERNIBLE] AND EVERYBODY RUN AND HIDE.

YOU DON'T NEED TO RUN AND HIDE. THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL SCHOLARSHIP THAT WE'VE HEARD, NO LEGAL PRECEDENCE SUGGESTING IN ANY WAY THE COUNTY [INDISCERNIBLE] LIABILITY.

THERE'S NO MONEY PAID OUT, NO ATTORNEY FEE.

BUT YOU WASTED [INDISCERNIBLE] ON THAT CORPORATE GIVEAWAY AND THAT BOGUS ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH IT'LL COST FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, [INDISCERNIBLE]. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CODE ENFORCEMENT AT NIGHT AND ON WEEKENDS.

WHEN I WAS IN TEXAS, THERE WAS NO --

>> ED, ED, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ED, THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. ED, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT CALL PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MARK [INDISCERNIBLE] I LOVE AT 605 [INDISCERNIBLE].

I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THE PROJECT THEY'RE UNDERTAKING FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I'M IN SUPPORT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS CONTINUING AND WOULD LIKE A MINIMAL LEGISLATION PUT IN PLACE TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO SQUASH TOURISM IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE GUESTS WHO COME AND STAY SPEND AN AVERAGE OF $79 PER DAY PER PERSON IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT THE BAD GUESTS, BUT THAT IS VERY FEW RATHER THAN THE COMMON.

OF COURSE THERE SHOULD BE LIMITED [INDISCERNIBLE] AND WITH PROPERTY MANAGEMENT THOSE THINGS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.

COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE DUE DILIGENCE AND EVALUATE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF CREATING RESTRICTIVE CODE WITHIN OUR SETTING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT CALLER, NAME AND ADDRESS

PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> JAMES [INDISCERNIBLE] IN

[INDISCERNIBLE] BEACH. >> GO AHEAD, SIR.

>> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN TWO HOURS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT UP.

A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANTED TO BRING UP IS RECOGNIZING THAT TALLAHASSEE HAS TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT TO [INDISCERNIBLE] IF THEY DECIDE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SUPERSEDES THE COUNTY, THAT'S

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AND WHAT I WOULD GENERALLY REMARK IS THAT THEIR ACCOUNTABILITY IS VERY POOR, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO NEIGHBOR COMPLAINTS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE MONEY OFF OF THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, IE THE OWNERS, IS VERY IMPORTANT, AND NOT PUTTING CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS IN THAT ROLE WHEN, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE.

I LISTENED INTENTLY WITH MR. WHITE'S TALKING ABOUT REGISTRATION AND INSPECTION. TEN IS A NUMBER THAT'S TOSSED AROUND A LOT, BUT WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH NO INSPECTIONS, IS THE HOME REALLY RIGHT SIZE TO HANDLE BOTH IN TERMS OF PARKING BUT A LOT OF THESE EAST OF THE INTERCOASTAL, I WORRY ABOUT ON-SITE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. A LOT OF THESE FOLKS BUY THESE THINGS AS AN INVESTMENT IDEA AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO WHETHER OR NOT THE SEPTIC'S DESIGNED TO HANDLE TEN PEOPLE REPEATEDLY WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE THAT THAT KIND OF STUFF PROBABLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.

AGAIN, NOT AS A WAY TO DENY PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOME MONEY WITH THEIR INVESTMENT, BUT JUST MAKE SURE THAT THESE THINGS ARE IN PLACE TO HELP PROTECT EVERYBODY'S INTEREST AND NOT JUST THE PERSON THAT WANTS TO BE IN THE RENTAL BUSINESS.

I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS

UP TODAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS.

GO AHEAD. >> HI, THIS IS [INDISCERNIBLE].

THANK YOU. THIS IS CINDY [INDISCERNIBLE] 2805 SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

I'M IN FAVOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I'M SORRY, I HAVE AN ECHO ON THIS.

I WOULD BE CAREFUL OF [INDISCERNIBLE] REGULATIONS OR SWEEPING REGULATIONS AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TREAT THIS SMALL BUSINESS MODEL WITH CARE SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE AND BE PART OF THE ECONOMY OF THE AREA. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WORK FROM HOME AND THEY LOVE TO COME FOR A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH AND HAVE A LITTLE CHANGE FROM BEING LOCKED DOWN AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE FAMILIES. OUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON THE BEACH. AND THIS IS THE SORT OF AREA THAT IS REALLY -- I WANT TO SAY MADE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THERE ARE MEDIUM THAT LIVE THERE FULL-TIME.

SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC PROBLEMS THAT ARE HAPPENING RATHER THAN ALLOW SWEEPING CHANGES THAT WILL MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THESE SMALL BUSINESSES.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THE NEXT CALLER PLEASE. >> HI, MY NAME IS SARA [INDISCERNIBLE]. I OWN 150 JEAN JOHNSON ROAD

LOCATED IN SUMMER HAVEN. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. SO I'M ACTUALLY A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I'VE BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR THE PAST 18 YEARS AS WELL. OUR PROPERTY IS PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED AND I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH MINIMUM [INDISCERNIBLE]. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL FOR THE TOURISM ECONOMY HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND I AGREE THAT KIND OF BEEN ABLE TO HEAR SOME OF THE OTHER CALLERS AS WELL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CALL IN AND VOICE THAT.

AND ALSO THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO OPENING THIS UP TO RESIDENTS AND ALLOWING US TO CALL IN.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> OF COURSE, THANK YOU.

>> NEXT CALLER PLEASE. >> HELLO, THIS IS CASEY PUTNEY.

MY ADDRESS IS 114 SISIXTH STREE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.

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I DO HOWEVER AGREE AND SEE THE COMMISSIONER'S POINT WITH MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNERS. I DO THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY. WE TAKE METICULOUS CARE OF OUR PROPERTY. AND I THINK THAT OWNERS SUCH AS MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND WHO DO GO THROUGH THE CARE AND UPKEEP OF OUR HOME, MAKING SURE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF GUESTS ARE ACCOMMODATED AND NOT PUTTING 20 PEOPLE IN ONE HOUSE, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS' PHONE NUMBERS, MAKING SURE THEY HAVE OURS AS WELL IF ANY PROBLEMS ARISE. WE ALSO HAVE AN EXCELLENT PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. THAT WE BE CONSIDERED AND NOT PUNISH IN THE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTION MARKET BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE OWNERS DO GO THE EXTRA STEP TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY ISSUES THAT ARISE ARE TAKEN CARE OF IN A QUICK MANNER. AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO PLEASE CONSIDER OWNERS LIKE MYSELF WHO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE TOURISTS COMING TO OUR COUNTY ARE WELL ACCOMMODATED AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT CALLER PLEASE.

>> HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, MA'AM.

GO AHEAD. >> HI, MY NAME IS NADINE [INDISCERNIBLE] AND I OWN [INDISCERNIBLE] AVENUE, ST.

AUGUSTINE. IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE BEACH.

AND I'M CALLING TO EXPRESS MY THANKS FOR YOU GUYS TAKING THIS UP. I LIVE IN SOUTH FLORIDA, SO WE ALSO HAVE A VACATION RENTAL CONVERSATION HERE PRETTY REGULARLY BECAUSE I LIVE ON HOLLYWOOD BEACH.

I AM IN FAVOR OF REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS ON VACATION RENTALS. I DO AGREE WITH THE LAST CALLER THAT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY BE ISSUE-SPECIFIC.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I OWN A HOUSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I CERTAINLY WANT TO RESPECT MY NEIGHBORS. SO, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH.

I AGREE WITH THE ATTORNEY THAT VERY QUICK CHANGES ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC. I'M SORRY IF I'M REPEATING MYSELF. I'M HAVING A HUGE ECHO.

ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF VACATION RENTALS AND I AM IN FAVOR OF REASONABLE PEOPLE MAKING REASONABLE CONVERSATIONS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THEM, JUST NOT OVERALL BURDENSOME BECAUSE I'M ALSO AN EMINENT DOMAIN ATTORNEY, SO PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? MY NAME IS MICHAEL FROM 5480 PELICAN WAY IN BUTLER BEACH.

I'M ALL FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

AND RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, OUR HOME, WE KEEP, WE MAINTAIN IT WELL ABOVE AND BEYOND BOARD THAN WE HAVE TO.

WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE KEEP INTO THE HOME. MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT DO RENT FROM US FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ARE NO ONE IS ALLOWED UNDER 25 WITHOUT ACCOMPANYING AN ADULT.

AND IT'S MOSTLY FAMILY-ORIENTED WHERE A BROTHER AND SISTER COME FOR FAMILY REUNIONS AND PUT LIMITED RESTRICTIONS ON THAT COULD REALLY KIND OF HURT. AND I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL FOR THE ECONOMY AND FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I LOVE IT. I LOVE THE HOME.

I SPEND TIME DOWN THERE ANY CHANCE I GET.

AND I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD KEEP THE RESTRICTIONS LIMITED AND HOPE TO CONTINUE. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED YOU TO HEAR THAT AND SAY THAT. BUT WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE AND KEEP IT TO A RESTRICTIVE NO TOMFOOLERY WHEN YOU'RE THERE. IT'S STRICTLY FAMILY-ORIENTED AND FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN AND JUST TO SPEND SOME TIME TO GET AWAY. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU JUST HEAR MY POSITION ON THAT AND UNDERSTAND.

I THINK SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE WONDERFUL AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE AND HAVE LIMITED RESTRICTIONS, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> NEXT CALLER PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. >> YEAH.

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>> YES, GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DENNIS [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM THE FLORIDA VACATION RENTAL P MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION. AND I'M CALLING IN REGARDS TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON RELATED TO THE INDUSTRY AND CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY RELATED TO THE OCCUPANCY LIMITS AND OTHER THINGS ARE ALL SIMILAR TO WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT STATEWIDE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE SOME OF THE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. THERE'S BEEN MANY, MANY BIRD HARRIS CLAIMS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST.

JUST A PRECAUTIONARY CONCERN OF OURS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY SEE SOME OF THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE BASING A LOT OF THE ORDINANCE THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON OTHER ORDINANCES AROUND THE STATE. AND ANOTHER ON THAT IS WHEN WE'VE DONE CASE STUDIES AND THINGS AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA AROUND CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED SUCH ORDINANCES, THEY HAVE BEEN HIGHLY UNSUCCESSFUL.

AND I'LL USE IN THE FORT LAUDERDALE AREA, FOR INSTANCE.

THEY PUT IN CODE SOME OF THE TOUGHEST REGULATIONS IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY STILL ONLY HAVE ABOUT A 14% COMPLIANCE RATE IN THAT CITY. SO IT'S NOT REALLY HOW STRICT THE REGULATIONS ARE THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THINGS WORK PROPERLY. IT'S REALLY DEALING WITH WHAT WORKS BOTH FOR THE INDUSTRY AND WORKS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER CONSTITUENTS INVOLVED. SO I THINK REALLY WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU FURTHER ON THIS.

WE DON'T THINK THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ARE NECESSARILY GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, BUT WE THINK THAT WE CAN OFFER SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND CASE STUDIES TO REALLY SHOW HOW THIS CAN BE A GOOD ORDINANCE IF IT'S DONE CORRECTLY. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE SOME MORE INFORMATION WITH YOU ON WHAT WE'VE FOUND AROUND THE STATE THAT WORKS AND DOES NOT WORK.

BUT I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING REALLY SHOULD BE LOOKED AT EVEN FURTHER.

THE OCCUPANCY IS A REALLY BIG CONCERN THAT I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT. SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR CHILDREN TO MAKE SURE THAT CHILDREN ARE NOT IN THE COUNT OF THE OCCUPANCY.

AS YOU KNOW, IT'S A FAMILY-ORIENTED HOSPITALITY SECTOR. SO YOU ALWAYS WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT SOME THINGS IN THIS AREA WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT AN OVERALL OCCUPANCY ON A HOME.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THOUGH IN LOOKING INTO THIS AND WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU FURTHER ON IT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MANY MORE DISCUSSIONS ON IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

YOU MAKE SOME GOOD POINTS. ARE THERE OTHER CALLERS? IT SHOWS ZERO ON MY SCREEN. IS THERE A CALLER ON THE PHONE? NOPE? OKAY.

WELL, ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? GOING ONCE, TWICE.

YES, MA'AM. >> BJ KALADE, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE VERY END OF ALL OF THIS.

IT BOILS DOWN TO ENFORCEMENT. IT ALSO BOILS DOWN TO I DON'T KNOW HOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A WIN-WIN.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WIN-WIN BUT THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING AREA.

THEN YOU HAVE THESE OWNERS THAT COME IN.

AND LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT ANYWAY.

THEY WANT TO MAKE A BUCK. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE A HOTEL, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SOME RESTRICTIONS THERE.

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THINGS TO DO BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE A BOTTOM-LINE BUCK. SO I KNOW THE STATE'S GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WANT US TO DO. BUT LET'S FACE IT, THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GOING TO BE ENFORCED IS TO HIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT THEY WORK ON THE WEEKENDS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

THAT MONEY IS $213,000 I THINK. I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION. AND THEY HAVE TO WORK NIGHTS AND THE WEEKENDS. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO WORK FOR NOTHING FOR THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THEY'RE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH MONEY TO BEGIN WITH AND THEY HAVE A HARD JOB.

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THEY'RE ALL OVER THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

THERE'S A PROBLEM DOWN THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT TOO. BUT IT GOES DOWN TO, WHEN YOU BUY PROPERTY, RESPECT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE ZONING IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM THAT. WE ALL NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY.

WELL, THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO DECIDE SOMETHING TODAY, BUT BASICALLY IT'S A BOTTOM LINE.

HIRE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.

MR. HOWARD KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO WANT TO WORK AND DO THIS JOB FOR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THEM.

I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE PAID ENOUGH TO TAKE THE AGGRAVATION AND YOU'RE PUTTING CITIZEN AGAINST CITIZEN AND THE PRIME COMPLAINT NEEDS TO BE STRESSED AGAIN TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY THAT YOU TELL THEM YOU DON'T WANT YOUR NAME INVOLVED ANY WAY SO YOU WILL NOT HAVE REPERCUSSIONS BECAUSE I KNOW PERSONALLY THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

IT DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ARE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY TO PROTECT YOU. SO BE AWARE OF THAT.

BUT HIRE THE CODE PEOPLE, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE A BUCK AND THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ON COMING TO OUR ZONING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

AND I'M SORRY THAT'S THE WAY LIFE'S GOING TO BE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND THE BEACH TOO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> BEFORE WE GO BACK -- >> WAIT, ONE MORE, I'M SORRY.

ONE MORE CALL-IN. GO AHEAD PLEASE ON THE PHONE.

>> HELLO? >> YES.

>> MY NAME IS JOHN WHITEMAN. MY ADDRESS IS 104 SEA GROVE MAIN STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE, 32080. AND I'M CALLING IN TO TELL YOU THAT I'M IN FAVOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH MINIMAL REGULATION.

I OWN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT IS AT 21 FIRST STREET ST.

AUGUSTINE, WHICH IS IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND WE'RE ALREADY COVERED BY REGULATIONS THAT ARE QUITE RESTRICTIVE WHICH I'M COMPLYING WITH AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT WE NEED ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FROM THE COUNTY, AT LEAST IN THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. AND THAT'S THE END OF MY

COMMENT. >> OKAY.

OUR COUNTY REGULATIONS ONLY APPLY EAST OF THE INTERCOASTAL AND ONLY IN THE COUNTY, JUST FYI.

>> OKAY. >> PROPOSED REGULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE ONE MORE CALL-IN, I BELIEVE.

GO AHEAD, YES. >> THANK YOU.

MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE]. MY PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 610 21ST STREET. AND I'M JUST CALLING TO REPRESENT SOME VACATION RENTAL OWNERS.

I THINK AS I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE [INDISCERNIBLE], I THINK OWNERS ARE ALSO FINE WITH RESTRICTIONS.

I LIVED IN MY HOUSE THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT AND I WAS SURROUNDED BY VACATION RENTALS. SO I'M ALL ABOUT RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE. BUT I DO THINK THAT PUTTING JUST A BLANKET POLICY ON EVERYBODY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

YOU I THINK IF WE HAVE THE ROOM TO HOUSE MORE PEOPLE, THE PARKING TO HOUSE MORE PEOPLE AND WE ARE ENFORCING, I'VE NEVER RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE AND PARKING AND SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER? CALL-IN.

GO AHEAD PLEASE, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MY NAME IS DIANE [INDISCERNIBLE].

THE ADDRESS IS 3041 SECOND STREET, ST. AUGUSTINE, 32084.

>> YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> I'M IN FAVOR OF VACATION RENTALS. I FEEL THAT PEOPLE WHO OWN VACATION HOMES PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO IMPROVING THEM IN ORDER TO GET THEM UP TO PAR FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO RENT THEM.

SO THIS, THEREFORE, INCREASES PROPERTY VALUES AND IT'S GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. I FEEL THE COMPLAINTS THAT HAPPEN SHOULD BE REALLY [INDISCERNIBLE] OF THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THAT THE RULES SHOULD BE ENFORCED.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY SHOULD BE CITED BUT THE ALLOWANCE FOR IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.

PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND IN THE MAJORITY CASES, IT'S AT LOVE HOME IMPROVEMENTS YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THESE HOUSES RENTABLE. IN THE LONG RUN, I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOOD FOR PROPERTY VALUES. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK . NEXT CALLER PLEASE.

>> HI, THIS IS CAMERON HAM HAMILTON.

MY ADDRESS 109 MEADOW AVENUE. ST. AUGUSTINE.

>> HENRY DEAN: YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD.

>> I WANT TO ADDRESS AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE HAVE VACATION RENTALS. WE HAVE HAD A GREAT EXPERIENCE.

WE GAIN A LOT OF GREAT MEMORIES AND GREAT TIME FOR PEOPLE STAYING THERE. I FEEL THAT IF THE HOUSE HAS BEDROOMS AND CAPABILITY TO HAVE MORE THAN THEN A PARKING SPACE, THEN IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE. I THINK THAT WHEN YOU ARE IN LITTLE SPACE THAT'S DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE GARAGE, THE PARKING, AND THE BEDROOMS AND THE BATHROOMS AND THE SPACE, WHY NOT LET PEOPLE COME AND CREATE MEM MEMORIES. MY FAMILY COMES FROM A LARGE FAMILY. MY DAD HAS OVER NINE SIBLINGS AND WOULD ELIMINATE HIS FAMILY FROM GOING ON VACATION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME AND SAY THAT COME FROM LARGER FAMILIES AND THAT -- THAT IS WHY THEY RENT A HOUSE SO HE CAN ACCOMMODATE AND FIT THEIR ENTIRE FAMILY AND CREATE THOSE MEMORIES. WE NEVER HAD ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

OUR GUESTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPECTFUL, AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR WITH RULES. AND MY CONCERN AND MY ADDRESS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT LARGER FAMILIES AND GATHERINGS ESPECIALLY IF THE COMB CAN ACCOMMODATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NEXT CALLER. >> YES, HELLO?

>> HENRY DEAN: YES, PLEASE, GO AHEAD.

>> MY NAME IS JESSICA BROYLES. I WILL BE OWNING 408 5TH STREET ON THE BEACH OVER THERE. I AM IN SUPPORT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I HAVE BEEN SURROUNDED BY SH SHORT-TERM RENTALS WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE AND NEVER REALLY ANY ISSUES. I DO AGREE -- I UNDERSTAND AND SUPPORT RESTRICTIONS AND WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. I WANT MY OWN NEIGHBORS TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ME WHETHER. AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE A TWO-BEDROOM CONDO IS DIFFERENT THAN A FIVE-BEDROOM HOUSE. I STRONGLY HOPE THAT IT IS CONSIDERED THAT OCCUPANCY IS BASED NOT ONLY THE SIZE OF THE HOME, SQUARE FOOTAGE, PARKING, BUT ALSO KIDS VERSUS ADULTS.

IF ME AND MY FRIENDS -- I HAVE A BIG FAMILY AND VACATION TOGETHER. A FAMILY OF 12 AND I AM A FAMILY OF FOUR. THAT IS 16 IN THE HOUSE AND ONE OF THE BEST TENANTS THAT COME IN AND NEVER HEAR -- MOST ARE SMALL CHILDREN IN BED BY O'CLOCK AND WE ARE ENJOYING TIME AS A FAMILY AND ST. AUGUSTINE ATTRACTS A LOT OF THAT. THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ALL SIDES AND REALLY CONSIDER SOMETHING THAT -- WE PROTECT THE NEIGHBORS AND PROTECT THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS FOR THE BUSINESS THEY BRING IN AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO ENJOY ST. AUGUSTINE AND BRING FAMILY AND FRIENDS THERE.

THAT IS REALLY IT. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: OTHERCALL.

GO AHEAD. >> RYAN CORNESON ON BOB WOOD DRIVE. I AM IN FAVOR OF MINIMAL RESTRICTIONS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I AM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND I FEEL LIKE ADDING RESTRICTIONS ARE GOING TO REDUCE PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF SITUATIONS WHERE LONG-TERM RENTALS CAUSE PROBLEMS TO PROPERTIES AND TO OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES. AND I FEEL LIKE A VACATION RENTAL UNDER APPROPRIATE MANAGEMENT WOULD LIMIT THOSE AND HELP WITH PROPERTY VALUES. AND I FEEL LIKE IT IS A GOOD THING FOR ST. AUGUSTINE. AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE.

[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. I DON'T SHOW ANY MORE CALL-INS.

DOES THAT COMPLETE THE CAL CALL-INS? WHILE WE ARE WAITING -- OKAY, THAT COMPLETES THE CALL-INS.

I THINK WE COMPLETED TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM. SO I THINK THAT AT THIS POINT,

THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

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BEFORE WE DO THAT -- BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE BOARD, I WANT TO KIND OF ADDRESS TWO PROCEDURAL MATTERS AND JUST OVERALL COMMENTS. I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS BEEFING UP OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES, IN OTHER WORDS, THE CURRENT LAWS AND RULES WE HAVE IN PLACE, THEN THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN PROBABLY MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY.

IF WE ARE GOING TO ADOPT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEN WHAT IS ON THE TABLE TODAY, I THINK OUR LEGAL STAFF IS GOING TO NEED TIME TO KIND OF REVIEW THAT LANGUAGE.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: YES, MR. CHAIR. IF THE BOARD IS IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS TODAY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND SOME MOVING PARTS.

AND I THINK IF THE BOARD GETS TO THAT POINT, HE CAN MAYBE GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DECISION POINTS AND THEN MY RECOMMENDATION WILL BE IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT TODAY, ONCE THE BOARD IS GIVEN THAT KIND OF DIRECTION, WE CAN GO BACK AND TAILOR THE LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD LATER TODAY PERHAPS AFTER THE OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMM RECOMMENDATION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD ON THAT.

IF I CAN BRIEFLY COMMENT -- WITH SUNSHINE WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT TO ME, IT COMES DOWN TO THE ACCOUNTABIITY AND RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT A RESPONSIBILITY ON THE OWNER OR THE RENTAL COMPANY, THERE ARE PREVENTABLE ISSUE THAT'S CAN BE ADDRESSED.

AS A PROPERTY OWNER, THERE IS SOME RESPONSIBILITY THERE.

IF YOU WERE OVERCROWDED THE STREETS OR THE TRASH IS PILING UP. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN LOOK AT A WAY WHERE POTENTIALLY COULD YOU HAVE AN OWNER THAT THEY RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THEY MAYBE LOSE THE REGISTRATION PROCESS OR THE COUNTY STEPS IN. I THINK SOME NOTES I HAVE TAKEN AS I LISTENED. MAYBE HAVE THE OWNERS COLLECT A DEPOSIT UP FRONT AN ISSUE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAN THE COUNTY WILL PUT A LIEN OR LEVY AGAINST THAT.

I THINK A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO HAVE AN HONOR SIGN A DISCLOSURE. BEEF UP CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. I THINK CLEARLY FOR THE PUBLIC THERE IS A DESIRE TO ADDRESS THAT.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE HANGING OVER THUS ISSUE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE, BUT I WANTED TO GO OVER THE COMMENTS WITH THE BOARD. I THINK WE ALL ESTABLISHED THAT WE NEED TO BEEF UP OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS TODAY. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CONRAD? OKAY. SO REGARDLESS WHICH DIRECTION WE GO WE WILL NEED MORE STAFF. WE HEARD FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF ENFORCING SH SHORT-TERM RENTALS PREPONDERANCE LARRY ISSUES THAT THEY WILL COME UP WITH THAT THEY WILL ENFORCE ON A CRIMINAL ISSUE, POTENTIAL CIVIL ISSUES AS WELL.

I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND BRING UP THE PROCEDURAL.

WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS, MOTIONS.

>> HENRY DEAN: I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BREAK AT THIS POINT. BUT IF I MAY QUICKLY, I WAS GOING TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE EXACTLY WHAT PATRICK MCCORMACK SUGGESTED AFTER THE TESTIMONY OF TWO HOURS.

THIS HAS BEEN VERY EDUCATIONAL TO ME TODAY.

WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST -- AND BY WAY OF A MOTION AND MAY OR MAY NOT PASS EVENTUALLY, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DIRECT THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT ADDRESSES THE OCCUPANCY MAXIMUM AND THE PHASING IN, BECAUSE I LEARNED SOME THINGS TODAY THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME MORE RESEARCH AND EFFORT ON THE PART OF THE STAFF.

SO I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR EVEN AS AMENDED TODAY.

WHAT I WILL LIKE -- WHAT I WILL END UP DOING FIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE TO DIRECT STAFF TO COME UP WHERE PROPOSED LANGUAGE ON THE ORDINANCE. WITH THAT SAID I AGREE COMPLETELY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT YOU SAID.

AND I THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN TO DO BEEF UP CURRENT ENFORCEMENT OF THINGS LIKE NOISE, SOLID WASTE, OFF-STREET PARKING AND GO FROM THERE. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I

AM COMING FROM. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SURE.

AND JUST FOR SCHEDULING, WE ARE AT NOON NOW.

WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE FROM THE AUDIENCE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR HOURS NOW. SO MY INTENT NOW UNLESS THERE IS A MOTION -- MY INTENTION IS TO HAVE A SHORT 30-MINUTE BR BREAK. STRETCH, GET COFFEE IF YOU CAN AND COME BACK. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. TAKE A BREAK OR FINISH ADD ADDRESSING THIS. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: IN MY OPINION WE HAVE FOLKS HERE FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM AND DEAL WITH THIS SO THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE REST OF THEIR

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I AGREE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE WILL FINISH THIS AND GET EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO GO ABOUT THEIR DAY.

THANK YOU, ALL, FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FEEDBACK.

>> HENRY DEAN: WELL, WITH THAT, I WILL BE GLAD TO OFFER A MOTION, AND, AGAIN, I AM NOT OFFERING A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TODAY. I WILL OFFER A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO RESEARCH AND ANALYZE THE ISSUE OF MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE ISSUES THAT DEAL WITH PHASING IN OVER TIME AND PHASING IN OVER THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS BASED ON OTHER ORDINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED EITHER SUCCESSFULLY OR UNSUCCESSFULLY AND COME UP WITH ONE OR MORE RECOMMENDATIONS.

MAYBE SEVERAL ALTERNATIVES, BUT IN ANY EVENT, THAT WILL BE MY MOTION TO SPECIFICALLY NARROW THE ISSUE TODAY TO DIRECTING STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PRESENTATION ON MAXIMUM OCCUPANTS. IN MY OPINION, WE CAN DEAL WITH THE OTHER ISSUES AT THAT TIME WITH RESPECT TO ANY ORDINANCE CHANGES. SO -- AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE BEEFING UP THE CURRENT ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS AS A SEPARATE ISSUE MY MIND. THAT WILL BE MY MOTION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A

SECOND -- >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION?

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: YES. >> WITH THE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TODAY IS MARCH 2.

WOULD IT TO BE -- TRY TO EVEN BRING IT BACK TODAY? OR THE BOARD HAS HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT COULD BE BROUGHT POTENTIALLY ON THE 9TH OR THE 16TH.

I WAS LOOKING FOR SORT OF THE TIME FRAME FROM THE MAKER OF

THE MOTION. >> HENRY DEAN: MY KEY POINT IS IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THIS RIGHT THAN QUICK.

SO WHETHER THE MARCH 16 OR APRIL 6 OR AFTER THAT.

BUT I -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME TO ANALYZE IT. BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT AND WE NEED TO GET IT FAIR.

THOSE ARE MY TWO OBJECTIVES. >> YES, SIR PWLOBINGZ PWLOBINGZ A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WILL YOU AMEND YOUR MOTION FOR STAFF LOOKING AT MECHANISM FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COLLECT A DEPOSIT THAT THE COUNTY IS TAP INTO?

>> HENRY DEAN: CERTAINLY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THE REASON I SAY THAT, I DON'T THIK IT IS FAIR FOR THE STAFF TO FUND THAT. AND WHEN RUNNING YOUR PROPERTY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OR VIOLATION, THE COUNTY CAN LOOK INTO EITHER PUTTING A LIEN ON THOSE FUNDS OR SOME TYPE OF CIVIL FORFEITURE AND LEVY.

>> HENRY DEAN: I CERTAINLY WOULD AGREE TO THAT AMENDED

MOTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

YOU MAINTAIN YOUR SECOND? SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> YES, BECAUSE I LIKE THE THOUGHT.

I HAVE CONCERNS. AND UNDERSTAND THE VESTING PART OF IT WITH REGARDS TO A HARRIS CLAIM.

I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS NOT FINALIZED TODAY BUT I CERTAINLY HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT IT WITH REGARDS TO A LEGAL, LITIGIOUS EXPOSURE AND LIKEWISE.

I HOPE EVERYTHING THAT IS DONE IS NOT FUTILE WHAT IS BEING DONE IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE EITHER.

IF WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. IF IT IS THE 16TH OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE STATE LEGISLATURE ADDRESS IT IS AND COME BACK AFTER 60 DAYS MIGHT BE EVEN MORE WISE AND PRUDENT AND FOR OUR TIME AND THE TIME OF OTHER FOLKS THAT MAKE SURE WHERE WE STAND. JUST A THOUGHT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER.

WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO THE TIMING OF BRINGING IT BACK. IN COMMISSIONER WALDRON? WAIT GOING WE STEP UP THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULES THAT WE ARE ALREADY IN. WE CAN DO IT COMEDIES COMMENT AND HARD FOR ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO ADD FTES.

BUT LET CODE ENFORCEMENT GET TWO MORE PEOPLE AND START -- WOULD YOU SAY TODAY THE WARNINGS ARE OVER.

INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A WARNING, GIVE THEM A TICKET.

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I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE DEPUTY SHOWS UP AND CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SAY YOU ARE TOO LOUD AND GO TO OTHER CALLS.

THEY ARE NOT BACK -- THE PARTY OVER AT MIDNIGHT, 1:00.

SO THEY ARE NOT GIVEN A TICKET. TO ME SOME OF THAT -- GIVING PEOPLE WARNINGS HAS GOT TO STOP, BECAUSE IT IS A CONTINUOUS PROBLEM WITH VERY FEW HOUSES ALL THE TIME.

AND THAT ARE THE BIG HOUSES THAT ARE HAVING THE PARTIES OR WEDDING PARTIES AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WE ARE ADDRESSING NOT THE SMALL TWO BEDROOM ON THE POLICE AND OVER THAT ARE RUN RIGHT. BY LOCAL PEOPLE.

AND ONE THING ABOUT A LOT OF THE CALLERS THAT HAVE SH SHORT-TERM RENTALS ADMITTED TODAY IT IS A BUSINESS.

BEFORE IT WAS JUST ME USING MY PROPERTY.

WELL IT IS A BUSINESS. AND THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT GOES ON AT THEIR BUSINESS.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SURE. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAN ON THIS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, YOUR SUGGESTION IS THAT WE GO AHEAD AND LOOKING AT ADDING TWO FFES.

>> PAUL WALDRON: IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.

>> DIFFERENT THAN THE MOTION ALREADY ON THE TABLE.

POINT OF ORDER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GENTLEMEN, IF I CAN JUST ADDRESS THIS.

WE HAVE THIS OTHER ISSUE. THE MAKER.

MOTION CAN ADDRESS THIS OR HANDLE IT AS A SECOND MOTION.

> THAT'S CORRECT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: HANDLE THAT AS A SECOND MOTION. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

ANY SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON THIS SPECIFIC MOTION.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, YOU ASKED THE SUGGESTION OF THE BOARD WITH THE TIME FRAME. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A FULL

ANSWER TO THAT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WAIT 60 DAYS UNTIL AFTER THE LEGISLATURE.

THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. ANY -- COMMISSIONER?

>> HENRY DEAN: WELL, I THINK W NEED TO BE REACHING IN MY MIND TO FAIRLY HAPPY COMPROMISE WITH RESPECT IF WE COULD GO FORWARD. WITH PAUL'S MOTION -- I FIRMLY PRESENT PAUL'S POSITION AND IDEA AND I WOULD BE WILLING -- I AM THE GUY THAT PUSHED THIS RELATIVELY HARD TO MOVE IT NOW, BUT I WILL BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH COMING BACK IN 60 DAYS IF WE COULD PROCEED -- WELL, I CAN'T -- I WILL ALSO BE INTERESTED IN VOTING FOR PAUL'S MOTION IF AND WHEN WE GET

THERE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

SO AS FAR -- WE WILL GO WITH 60 DAYS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION.

SEEING NONE. PLEASE VOTE.

OKAY THAT PASSES 5-0. WE WILL LOOK FOR STAFF, LEGAL TO COME BACK 660 DAYS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, DO YOU

WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> PAUL WALDRON: SURE, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO AHEAD AND GET ADMINISTRATION TO ADD TWO MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

THAT IS WHAT HTC NEEDS TO HELP RIGHT NOW AND START MAKING SURE WE ARE ENFORCING THE RULES THAT WE HAVE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, IS

THERE A SECOND? >> JEB SMITH: SECOND.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL -- >> THAT WAS COVERED IN THE MOTION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE MAKE IT EXPLICIT BUT PART OF THE RATIONALE WAS THE WEEKEND

COVERAGE. >> I WILL CHANGE MINE TO

WEEKEND AND NIGHTTIME COVERAGE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SO ARE YOU AMENDING THE MOTION TO WEEKENDS?

>> YES. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AMENDED THE MOTION TO WEEKENDS. COMMISSIONER SMITH, DO YOU

MAINTAIN YOUR SECOND? >> JEB SMITH: YES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY THROUGHOUT CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THE INFORMATION THAT MR. SCHROEDER PROVIDED TO YOU JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE AND IT IS GOING TO BE MORE -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD -- THANK YOU FOR PULLING THAT BACK UP. NOT JUST THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THE ADMIN ASSISTANT -- BECAUSE AT THIS POINT WE ARE DOING NO MORE THAN ENFORCING THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE ON THE WEEKEND. YOU WILL HAVE TRADITIONAL OVERTIMES, UNIFORM COSTS, OTHER ADMIN COSTS SO THE BOARD KNOW -- YOU THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY $100,000, AND NOW $185,000 OR $200,000 MINUS THE ADMIN ASSISTANT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. OKAY, THAT PASSES 5-0.

ALL RIGHT, SO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM ITEM NUMBER 3.

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>> RIGHT. AND MR. CHAIR, THE REPRESENTATIVE

[3. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-22 Bannon Lakes PUD Lot Width.]

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME RECON SEEN OUR COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING FOR MAN THREE.

THERE WAS A QUESTION OF FLIPPING IT BUT EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH FLIPPING IF A QUASI JUDICIAL.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FEBRUARY 25, I BELIEVE IT WAS 10:30, I MET WITH MISSILEEN AVERY SMITH. MY QUESTION WAS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE THREE FEET. WE DISCUSSED WHERE THAT WAS.

2017 FIRE PROTECTION AND WALL TO WALL WAS ADJUSTED.

WE DISCUSSED DENSITY BEING AT A NET LOSS OF 13 LOTS.

PRODUCT IS THE SAME, BUT DISPENSE IN OTHER AREAS.

WE DISCUSSED THE MULTIFAMILY THAT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD BEFORE PZA MARCH 4. COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS, AMENITIES, SECURITY COMMON DRAINAGE, PROPERTY EVALUATIONS WITH APARTMENTS AS WELL.

THE SCHOOLS HAD ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH.

THAT CONCLUDES MY EX PARE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: I MET ELLEN SMITH AND DISCUSSED ALL THE ISSUES WHICH COMMISSIONER SMITH

JUST OUTLINED. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN THURSDAY FEBRUARY 25 AT 2 P.M. I MET WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND FOREST COTTON AND CHRISTINE BALIERA WERE ALSO IN THE ROOM.

WE DISCUSSED THE REASON FOR AMENDING THE LOTS.

WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC PAT PATTERNS AND TALKED ABOUT THE MULTIFAMILY AND THE RESULTS -- AND A MEETING THAT WAS COMING

UP WITH THAT COMMUNITY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PAUL WALDRON: THURSDAY FEBRUARY 5, MEETING WITH ELLEN AVERY MACHINE HIT, AND STAFF AND DISCUSSED PROPOSED CHANGES AND HOW IT WILL EFFECT THE NUMBER LOTS.

NO INCREASE IN THE DENSITY. THIS CHANGE ALLOWED FOR THEM TO SAVE 13 LOTS. WE ALSO DISCUSSED A MULTIFAMILY THAT WILL BE COMING UP BEFORE THE BOARD SOON.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

I ALSO MET WITH THE APPLICANT ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 25 AT APPROXIMATELY 1:30 P.M. MIS MISSILEEN AVERY-SMITH.

LANCASTER, DODSON, HILL AND BISHOP AND SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR STAFF. DISCUSSED THE DENSITY, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, TRAFFIC AND SCHOOL CONCURRENCY. THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY SMITH, WETSTONE PLACE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. ART LAN CAST, CHRIS HILL FROM PULTE HOMES. LINDSEY HEGA AND THE PROJECT PLANNER AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER RESPECTFULLY.

YOU GENTLEMEN DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF DOING MY WORK FOR ME SO NOT A WHOLE LOT LEFT TO SAY. LET'S JUST MOVE ON.

YOU KNOW THAT BANNON LAKES AT NORTHEAST SQUADRON OF I-95.

A PUD IN PLACE FOR 999 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

TOTAL REMAINING UNBUILT ARE 463 AND REMAINING WOULD BE -- IN THE PROPOSED OUTLINE WHICH IS PHASES 2 A THROUGH C IN THIS AREA WOULD BE 450. SO THERE WILL BE A REMAINING 13 UNITS THAT ARE NOT DEVELOPED OF THE 999.

THIS MODIFICATION SIMPLY REQUESTS TO LIMIT -- IS, AGAIN,

[03:25:02]

AT THIS TIME WE SHOULD HAVE CHANGED THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.

THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT. AND THIS IS A CORRECTION OF THAT OVERSIGHT. THE LOTS AGAIN -- THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THIS IS THE AREA ALREADY OWNED BY PULTE. YOU SEE THE 40 FOOT LOTS IN THE LIGHTER TAN. THE 50-FOOT LOTS IN THE DARKER TAN AND ED IRISH ARE THE 60-FOOT-WIDE LOTS.

YOU SEE THE PRESERVATION OF THE WETLANDS.

THE PROPOSED IS TO CHANGE THE LOT CONFIGURATIONS LEAVING THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE SAME WETLANDS IN PLACE.

HERE ARE HOW THE LOTS ARE MEASURED.

A 43-FOOT WIDE LOT. THE SAME ON A 40-FOOT-WIDE LOT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE SETBACKS ARE MEASURED.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE PZA RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR APPROVING THE SAME -- OR APPROVING IT.

BASED ON THE PZA RECOMM RECOMMENDATION.

WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

BLOCKER BLOCK OKAY, THANK YOU MISS AVERY-SMITH.

GO TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR

DISCUSSION? >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION THROUGHOUT CHAIR. MISS SMITH, ANY FOLLOW-UP PLANNED FOR THE PUD IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE.

>> YES, A PENDING APPLICATION THAT WAS FILED BEFORE THIS ONE FOR PROPERTY THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.

IT IS FOR THE -- THE PROPERTY ALONG INTERNATIONAL GULF PARKWAY. SUBJECT TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, APPLICATION AND PUD MODIFICATION APPLICATION TO AND ADD DENSITY OF THE PROJECT ALONG INTERNATIONAL GOLF

PARKWAY. >> MADAM CHAIR, NOT DETERMINANT OF THIS DECISION BUT BACKGROUND WORK INFO FOR THE BOARD.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHY -- BEFORE WE GO TO SEE IF THERE IS A MOTION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,

MR. VICE-CHAIR. >> HENRY DEAN: OKAY.

TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3, MAJOR MOD FOR PU D BANNON LAKES. I SEE ONE CALL-IN.

IS THERE A CALL IN PLEASE? I SEE ZERO NOW.

NO CALL-IN. ANYONE ON THE LINE? FLYNN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK? NOW WE GO BACK TO ONE CALL. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

NAME AND DRESS. >> TOM REYNOLDS, BRIGADEAN COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE -- CAN YOU HEAR ME, HENRY.

>> HENRY DEAN: YES. >> LET'S BE CLEAR ON THIS.

THE BANNON LAKES IS THE N NINE-MILE GANG.

THESE PEOPLE KEEP COMING AND COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR EVERYTHING. ELLEN AVERY SMITH IS A GREAT ATTORNEY. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL VOTE NO ON THIS. IF THIS IS JUST TO SAVE 13 L LOTS, 40 FEET WIDE THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT? IT JUST SEEMS SO SMALL TO ME, YOU KNOW.

I THINK PEOPLE WANT A LITTLE MORE SPACE.

AND I NEVER, EVER IN ALL THE YEARS OF COMING TO THE MEETINGS, I NEVER WITNESSED ANYBODY KEEP COMING BACK AND BACK AND BACK AND BACK. JEB SMITH IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT.

THAT IS HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN COMING HERE.

BANNON LAKES. COMMISSIONERS, I URGE YOU TO VOTE IT NO. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I FIND IT AS A GOVERNMENT WATCHER, I FIND IT VERY, VERY SUSPICIOUS THAT YOUR MEETING WITH PEOPLE ON THIS PROJECT AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER PROJECT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY YOU NEED TO MEET WITH THE PEOPLE TO BEGIN WITH.

YOU ARE ALL INCREDIBLY INTELLIGENT.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO -- YOU ASK STAFF WHAT DO THEY WANT TO DO AND YOU LOOK IT UP YOURSELF. MEETING -- ALL THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE NAME THAWING MET WITH. I DON'T KNOW, COMMISIONERS, YOU KNOW I GO BACK TO THE RULES AND WHAT THE RULES SAY THEY

[03:30:07]

TELL BANNON LAKES TO FINISH THIS PROJECT BACK AND STOP

COMING BACK. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT IS ALL THE CALLS. I THINK THAT IS ALL THE CALLS.

WE WILL GO TO IN-HOUSE AUDIENCE HERE.

YES, MA'AM. >> BJ KALALY, CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. IT IS INTERESTING THE INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED. AT LEAST PZA MEMBER VOTED AGAINST THIS PUD MAJOR MODIFICATION.

AND THEY HAVE GIVEN YOU THE ANSWER, BUT I WILL PUT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SEEMS TO BE BUILT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER SO DEVELOPER AND THE LAWYER CAN INCREASE THEIR BOTTOM LINE. SEEMS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS DISAPPEARING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

AND THIS MAJOR MOD SHOULD BE DENIED.

BUT I PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO BE HERE FOR GENERAL COMMENT AND JUST GOES INTO WHAT I WANTED TO SAY AS PART OF THIS.

THIS SEEMS -- AND I HAVE TO FOLLOW-UP WITH MR. REYNOLDS.

IT SEEMS DEVELOPERS CONTINUE TO MANIPULATE POLITICIANS UNTIL THEY RECEIVE WHAT THEY WANT. RESIDENTS CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES TO SAY SAVE THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE.

THIS SEEMS TO BE GOING ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT DEVELOPMENTS.

AND I AM GLAD THEY CAN ALL GO TALK TO YOU.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SPEAK TO THEM WITH THE GROUP -- THEY ALWAYS HAVE A TEAM. THEY HAVE A TEAM.

SO IT IS DISCOURAGING -- WHEN THE RESIDENTS COME IN -- THERE IS NOBODY HERE TODAY. BUT WHEN THEY SAY SOMETHING YOU LISTEN TO THEM. ALMOST LIKE WHY BOTHER TO COME IN. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHO MAY BE LISTEN TO THIS, PLEASE KEEP COMING IN HERE.

USE YOUR THREE MINUTES. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS RESIDENTS.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT HAPPENS IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS COMING UP TO ALL THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS COUNTY AND THOSE WHO CAN ARE LEAVING IT. I WANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE GOES ALONG WITH WHAT IS GOING ON AND MAYBE IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE OF BERT HARRIS AND PROPERTY RI RIGHTS.

SEMS LIKE THE RESIDENTS HAVE NO PROPERTY RIGHTS TO ENJOY HEALTH AND SAFETY -- WHAT DID MR. WHITE SAY? BUT IT WAS A SAFETY THING AND THE HEALTH.

YOU COME WITH EXPECTATION AND THEN YOU FIND OUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO

SPEAK. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENT PUBLIC? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. NOW BACK TO THE BOARD.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ONCE DISCUSSION IS COMPLETED.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 20-21 MAJOR MODIFICATION 20-22 BANNON LAKES PUD WITH A MAJOR

[4. Public Hearing * MAJMOD 2020-20 St. Augustine Centre Medical Center.]

>> HENRY DEAN: SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ANY DISCUSSION. IF NONE, PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. IT PASS 5-0.

WE WILL MOVE CONTINUE TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4.

>> MR. CHAIR, THIS IS ALSO A QUASI JUDICIAL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: START OPPOSITE, COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON THURSDAY NOVEMBER 19 AT 11 A.M., YOU MET WITH LINDSEY HEGA, AKIVA AND KARLA HANSON AND DISCUSSED THE LOCATION OF THIS POTENTIAL PROJECT.

WE DISCUSSED THE BENEFITS TO THE RETAIL AND SURROUNDING AREA

AND COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR.

WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: ON THURSDAY, 11:30 A.M., [INAUDIBLE] -- MESS WITH LINDSAY HAGA, ALAZARA AND CARL HANSON.

[03:35:02]

AREA AROUND THAT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: I MESS WITH LINDSEY HEGA, AKIVA, CARL HANSON AND ON THE MAJOR MODIFICATION 20, 2020 OF MEDICAL PARCELS.

MR. ELIZARI DESCRIBED HIS BUSINESS, THE NEW YORK-BASED BUSINESS AND DEVELOPER RETAIL OUTLET WITH 35 PROPERTIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. BRICK AND MORTAR BECOMING LESS AND LESS ADVANTAGEOUS AND ENCUMBERED BY LEASES.

AND TALKED OF THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS AND DECLINE MT.

MALL. THEY OWNED THEIRS ACCELERATED BY THE INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THE HOW THE MALL WILL CHANGE AND HOW THIS PARTICULAR PIECE THE PROVE COULD BE A LINCHPIN. MR. HANSON DESCRIBED THE BAPTIST'S STRATEGY OF PARCELS THAT ARE VISIBILITY, ACCESSIBLE AND HAVE A PRESENCE IN THE MARKET AND STILL ANALYZING N NEED. BUT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE WAS NOT SUITABLE -- NOT NECESSARILY LARGE ENOUGH FOR A HOSPITAL, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE A PLACE IN THEIR STRATEGY.

THAT INCLUDES MY EX-PARTE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> HENRY DEAN: THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2020, I MET AT 11:30 A.M. TO LINDSEY HAGA AKAVA ELIZARI AND CARL HANSON TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND LOCATION BETWEEN THE OUTLET MALL AND 95. AND THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF A MEDICAL CENTER AND HOW TO MET ALL THE NECESSARY ZONING REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I DID NOT MEET WITH THE APPLICANT.

I DID NOT -- I HAVE NO EX-PARTE DISCUSSIONS TO DISCUSS.

PLEASE CONTINUE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH WETSTONE PLACE IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

I'M HERE WITH LINDSEY HEGA AND JEFF.

AND LINDSAY IS OUR PROJECT PLANNER AND JEFF IS OUR PROJECT ENGINEER. UNFORTUNATELY OUR CLIENT FROM LIGHTSTONE THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDED TO LEAVE TO CATCH A PLANE, BUT I BELIEVE HE IS LISTENING ON THE PHONE IN CASE WE NEED HIM. AND SO WE WILL GO WITH IT.

THEY ARE TEAMING UP WITH BAPTIST.

BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER HAS THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT AND WE WILL GO THROUGH BAPTIST PROPOSED USES.

I ALWAYS DO THIS THE WRONG WAY. HERE WE GO.

I WILL DO THIS AGAIN. I DID THIS AT PZA BECAUSE THIS CLICKER DOESN'T -- THERE WE GO. WE KNOW THE OUTLET MALL, ST.

AUGUSTINE OUTLET ON STATE ROAD 16 AND I-95.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT BACK IN 1990 WHEN THE COUNTY DID THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU DESIGNATED MOST OF THE NODES -- ACTUALLY ALL OF THE NODES ALONG I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16, COUNTY ROAD 210 AND SO ON AS MIXED USE DISTRICT.

AND SO THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, YOU ESTABLISH THAT PATTERN OF USE WITH THE MIXED USE DISTRICT FUTURE LOUIS DESIGNATION WHICH -- LAND USE DESIGNATION AND ALLOW THE ABILITY AND USE.

AND OUTLINE OF THE CENTER DRI WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1997 AND OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY IS THE ONE OUTLINED IN RED HERE. YOU HAVE THE EXISTING OUTLET MALL AND THE VACANT LAND OUT FRONT WHERE -- WHICH IS THE PROPOSED EIGHT-ACRE BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER SITE.

AGAIN ST. AUGUSTINE DRI HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES SINCE 1997. THEY HAVE PHASED TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS ALL OF WHICH TO DATE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED. A FEW OUTPARCELS LEFT AND MOST OF THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED.

YOUR COUNTY STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB WORKING WITH US OVER A YEAR ON THIS PROJECT. IF YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH DRI LAW UNDER SECTION 380.06 51 FLORIDA STATUES.

HOSPITAL IS EXEMPT FROM DRI REVIEW AND GONE THROUGH THAT

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AND WE ARE SIMPLY ADDED A MEDICAL CENTER TO THE PERMITTED USES AND YOU SEE THIS NOTE ABOUT THE CLEARANCE LEVEL OF THE DRI EXEMPTION OF THE 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEDICAL CENTER USE. AND ALSO -- THIS IS HOW THE PUD TEXT HAS BEEN AMENDED TO SHOW THAT THEY WILL BE NONRESIDENTIAL USES FOR THIS PROPERTY WHICH INCLUDE THE MEDICAL CENTER OF EMERGENCY ROOM, IMAGING CENTER.

ALL OF THOSE USES. ALL WILL BE PERMITTED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.

FOR TRANSPORTATION AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE DRI EXEMPTION, NO CONCURRENCY OR REVIEW BUT THE PROJECT WILL FOLLOW YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH RESPECT TO SIDE ACCESS AND PAY ROAD IMPACT FEES AS WELL AS OTHER IMPACT FEES.

AND WE WILL COMPLY. THERE IS MASTER UTILITIES AND MASTER DRAINAGE FOR THE DUI YOURSELF AND THOSE ARE TAKEN CARE OF WITHIN THE MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE PROJECT THAT EXISTS TODAY. JUST FOR A COUPLE OF POINTS.

THERE IS -- THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO OWN THE HARLEY DAVIDSON DEALERSHIP RIGHT HERE. THEY CONTACTED US AND YOUR STAFF ABOUT THE CORRIDOR AND OFFERS THIS SLIDE THAT THE PUD ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF 60 FEET IN HEIGHT -- OF BUILDING HEIGHT.

WE ARE NOT REVISING THAT. WE WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW TALL BAPTIST WILL BUILD BUT THEY HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO BUILD TO 60 FEET.

A ROAD THAT RUNS DOWN I-95 THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME VIEW CORRIDOR AND BUILDING SETBACKS AND THINGS THAT BAPTIST WILL HAVE THAT WILL AFFORD THEM SOMEWHAT OF A NEW CORRIDOR.

AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, FLORIDA LAW DOES NOT GUARANTEE OF VIEWS FROM PROPERTIES WITHOUT VIEW CORRIDOR OR VIEW EASEMENT. IN THIS CASES THERE NO EASEMENT JUST IN CASE THE ISSUE BROUGHT UP.

AND I KNOW IT IS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.

AGAIN, THE PZA RECOMMENDED 6-0 APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE IT AND BAPTIST CAN BE ON ITS WAY. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER WHATEVER

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND TAUPE TO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THERE IS A MOTION.

>> HENRY DEAN: WE WILL NOW HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4.

ITEM 4. ANY -- GO AHEAD IF YOU ARE

CALLING IN. >> SAINT YOU GO STEIN BEACH FLORIDA. I LOVE THIS PROJECT.

I HOPE YOU GENTLEMEN MOVE FOR IT.

A PERFECT PLACE FOR IT. I THINK IT WILL REALLY HELP THE AREA AND HAVE SPOKEN UP ABOUT ANYTHING IS THAT A LITTLE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO WHEN FIT.

>> WHICH WOULD REALLY, REALLY HELP THE AREA.

I -- MANY YEARS AGO -- I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER SMITH REMEMBERS THIS OR NOT BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT OUT OF THE 206 WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT MED TECH CORRIDOR AND I HOPE TO SEE MORE MEDICAL STUFF LIKE THE STUFF THAT SHE BRINGS TODAY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE STUFF COMING TO TOWN LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON IEM 4? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT, MR. CHAIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR. IS THERE A MOTION.

>> HENRY DEAN: MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE 20-21.

>> 11. >> TO ADD 100 SQUARE FEET OF

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[5. Public Hearing * VACROA 2020-01 Jackson Park Subdivision - Public Hearing to vacate all of that portion of a 12-1/2 foot alley and a 15 foot alley and a 20 foot alley lying behind or adjacent to all Lots 1 through 24, Block 2, Jackson Park Subdivision, as recorded in Map Book 3, page 51, of the public records of St. Johns County, Florida.]

>> SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

IT PASSES 5-0. NOW MOVING ON TO AGENDA ITEM

NUMBER 5. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GOOD

AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, DAN SIKES, 4642 FIRST AVENUE.

I AM PRESENTING TO VACATEAL LEEWAY.

PETITION TO VACATE ALL PORTIONS OF 12 AND A HALF FEET OF ALLEY WAY, 15 FETALYWAY AND 20 FETALY WAY BEHIND LOTS 1 THROUGH 24, BLOCK 2, JACKSON PARK SUBDIVISION OFF LEWIS SPEEDWAY, EAST OF U.S. 1. YOU SEE THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IS THE VACATED SECTION WE ARE W WISHING TO VACATE.

THERE IS ANOTHER AERIAL VIEW. ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE JOINED IN THE PETITION AND PORTION TO VACATE DOES NOT EFFECT THE ACTUAL AND LEGAL ACCESS OF.

THE CORRIDOR DOES NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC UTILITY, DRAINAGE FACILITIES OR TRAIL. AND IF APPROVED, THE COUNTY WILL VACATE ALL PUBLIC INTEREST AND SUBJECT ALLEYWAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, WILL SIKES. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SEE IF THERE IS A MOTION.

>> HENRY DEAN: PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5. DON'T SEE ANY CALL INS YET.

ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ITEM 5? VACATING A RIGHT-OF-WAY.

SEEING NONE, CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 20-21.

>> 94. >> HENRY DEAN: APPROVING THE VACROA 2020 JACKSON PARK SUBDIVISION PETITION TO VACATE ALL OF THE PORTION OF A 12 AND A HALF FOOT ALLEY AND 15-FOOT ALLEY AND 20 FOOT ALLEY ADJACENT TO LOTS 1 THROUGH 24, BLOCK 2, JACKSON PARK SUBDIVISION AS RECORDED IN MAP BOOK 3, PAGE 51 OF THE PUBLIC RECORDS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY,

FLORIDA. >>.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND SECOND

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CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> HENRY DEAN: OPENING OUR AGENDA FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN.

WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE CALL. PLEASE GO AHEAD.

CALL-IN, PLEASE. GO AHEAD, CALL-IN.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIDADE EN COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

TODAY MY NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT IS COMMON SENSE.

NOW, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU ARE MAKING DECISIONS, A LOT OF STUFF IS COMMON SENSE. THIS STUFF THAT IS TECHNICAL.

AND YOU KNOW TODAY WHEN I AM LISTENING.

AND I WANT TO REPEAT IT AGAIN. THAT I REALLY -- IT IS REALLY TROUBLING TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE MEETING WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE.

AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE BODY CAMS ON.

AND IT SHOULD BE RECORDED. THAT WAY -- YOU KNOW I GOT A TEXT FROM SOMEBODY THAT HEARD ME SAY IT THE FIRST TIME.

AND THEN THE TEXT SAID, TOM, THEY HAVE TO MEET IN PERSON TO GET THE ENVELOPE. AND TEXT BACK, NO, THAT IS NOT THIS KIND OF PLACE. ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, SEE HOW SOME PEOPLE COULD PERCEIVE THAT AND CLOWN AROUND ABOUT THAT AND MAKE THE ACCUSATION OF -- OF WRONGDOING.

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I GO BY FACT WHEN I MAKE AN ACCUSATION.

COMMISSIONERS, THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST NOW FOR -- FOR A SIMPLE ONE.

CONTRACT BETWEEN MAX MCCLEOD AND HIS LAW FIRM AND THE SUNSHINE BUS COMPANY. IT HAS BEEN MONTHS.

WHY IS PATRICK MCCORMACK STALLING THIS.

IS THIS THE SAME AS WITH THE LAW FIRM WHERE HE LEFT $200,000 ON WHERE HE SAVED PATRICK KANA N A NO BID CONTRACT.

WHY CAN'T I GET THIS COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS.

MAKES ME TOY THIS MYSELF WHAT IS PATRICK M AC CORMACK.

AND I ASK YOU, COMMISSIONERS WHY CAN'T I GET THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT I HAVE A COUNTY AND AN ENTIRE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ALL CLAMMING UP, NOT PRODUCING A SIMPLE PUBLIC RECORD.

YOU KNOW COMMISSIONERS, ANYBODY WITH COMMON SENSE WOULD THINK CORRUPTION. WELL, THERE IS SOME WRONG DOING. NOW LOOK AT THE PASS.

THE PASS THAT PATRICK MCCORMACK WAS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

WITH THAT NOT GOING OUT FOR BID IS AN ABSOLUTE.

I WANT TO YOU REMEMBER COM COMEDIES, A -- COMMISSIONERS A HAM SANDWICH. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY APPROVED ONE PERSON GETTING THAT BID FOR THE AMPHITHEATRE TO ADVERTISE IT? NO, PATRICK MCCORMACK WOULD BE INDICTED FOR A FELONY. OFFICIAL MISCONDUCT TO HELP A FRIEND TO HELP SOMEBODY OUT. TODAY COMMISSIONERS, I WILL HAVE TO PUT IT ON YOUR LAP. FROM THIS POINT ON IF YOU WERE PATRICK MCCORMACK, I WOULD SUSPECT THEIR PART OF THIS CORRUPTION. IT WOULD BE BAFFLING TO ME HOW IT WOULD BE AN ADVANTAGE TO Y YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, TOM. >> ANYWAYS COMMISSIONERS.

THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BEFORE WE GO TO MISS KALALI. I LIKE YOUR HAT BY THE WAY.

NICE COLOR. PATRICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO REQUEST THAT, PLEASE. JUST ONE MOMENT.

>> WELL, MR. CHAIR, FIRST LET ME SAY SORT OF THE AMBUSH TECHNIQUE OF THIS PUBLIC COMMENT I FIND HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE. NUMBER TWO, I WILL BRIEF THE BOARD ON THE REQUEST AND THE RESPONSE.

WE GET LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

I WILL LOOK AT THIS ONE. I AM CONFIDENT THAT WE RESPONDED PROMPTLY AND ACCURATELY.

AND I'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

ONE MORE MOMENT, MA'AM. I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS THIS.

THESE ARE BOARD RULES. SPEAKER MAY NOT DISRUPT THE MEET BIG MAKING PERSONAL AND SLANDER BY BOISTEROUS BEHA BEHAVIORS. MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN OF ANY DISRUPTIVE OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF ANY COMMENTS. I RAISE THAT BECAUSE THIS IS OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO RAISE ISSUES WITH US, BUT CALLING OUT INDIVIDUAL STAFF MEMBERS, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THIS GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. MISS KALALI.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO

ADDRESS IT ON YOUR TIME. >> SORRY I STOOD UP TOO SOON.

NUMBER ONE, PLEASE FIX COMPUTER CHAIRS AT THE MAIN LIBRARY.

PVB AND SOUTHEAST LIBRARY CHAIRS FIT COMPUTER DESKS.

NUMBER TWO, RESCIND MANDATORY MASK WARNING IN COUNTY BUILDINGS. NUMBER THREE, ALL VOLUNTEERS AT THE SOLOMON CENTER SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.

NUMBER FOUR, PLEASE PUT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF MEETINGS. NOW WE ARE GOING TO GET TO IT.

IN DECEMBER 1, DR HORTON'S REZONING REQUEST FAILED.

A LETTER OF DENIAL WAS NOT SENT.

FEBRUARY 2, 2021, THIS REZONING WAS BROUGHT BACK AND PASSED.

THIS GOES ALONG WITH WHAT HAPPENED TODAY.

REMEMBER, AND -- OH, JANUARY 19, 2021.

WINDING OAKS FAILED. FEBRUARY 16, 2021, THE BCC DECIDED IT WOULD BE HEARD AGAIN BECAUSE THEY CAME FORWARD AND ASKED FOR SOMETHING DONE. NUMBER SEVEN, REMEMBER, IN AUGUST 2018, DR HORTON TRIED TO REZONE FISH ISLAND RESERVE.

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PRESERVATION AS DEFINED BY THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS IS THE PROCESS OF APPLYING MEASURES NECESSARY TO SUSTAIN THE EXISTING FORM OF INTEGRITY AND MATERIALS OF A HISTORIC PROPERTY. THIS IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY.

THIS MORNING WE HAD THE ARCHAEOLOGY PEOPLE TALKING OF THAT HISTORICAL. THINGS TO BE PRESERVED.

SO LET'S ALL REMEMBER PRESERVATION IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OVER HERE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE THINKING IT IS A PARK. IT'S NOT A PARK.

THE WORD IS "PRESERVATION." SO IF YOU CAN, DO YOUR E-MAILS.

BUT IF YOU CAN REALLY GET UP AND IT IS NOT STORMING TONIGHT -- I MEAN ON THURSDAY NIGHT, GO AND ATTEND, BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WON'T BE LIKE THIS BUT IN A CASUAL ENVIRONMENT AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SAY THE WORD WE WANT FOR THAT ISLAND IS "PRESERVATION." CAN WE ALL SAY THAT OUT LOUD. "PRESERVATION."

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. I SHOW ONE CALL -- CALL IN STILL PENDING. DID THAT COME IN LATER? IS THERE A CALL-IN? IS THERE A CALL-IN?

[Commissioners’ Reports (Part 1 of 2)]

THAT IS GOING TO ZERO. I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

-- GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WITH PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

MR. CONRAD, MISS KALALI ANNOUNCED BEFORE ABOUT CHAIRS IN THE LIBRARY. CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT.

COMMISSIONER REPORTS. START OVER HERE COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE ONE THING TODAY.

I AM THRILLED WE LIVE IN ONE OF THE LOWEST TAX COUNTIES AND ONE OF THE LOWEST TAX STATES IN THE COUNTRY.

I COMMEND THIS BOARD FOR USING THE ROLLBACK RATE TO SAVE THE RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY MONEY.

THAT IS OUR JOB. WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND FIGHT TO KEEP THEIR DOLLARS IN THEIR POCKETS; HOWEVER, I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE TOURISTS THAT COME HERE AND PUT A STRAIN ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND ON OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND I THINK IT IS UNDER THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO LOOK AT THE BED TAX. OUR BED TAX IS AT 4%.

EVERY SURROUNDING COUNTY THAT HAS COASTLINE.

NASSAU COUNTY AT 5%. DUVAL AT 6%.

VOLUSIA AT 6%. AND DOWN THE ATLANTIC COAST HAVE A HIGHER BED TAX. A LOT OF THESE ARE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN COUNTIES THAT ARE COLLECTING MORE OF THESE INTERNATIONAL AND NATIONAL DOLLARS THAT COME TO THEIR COUNTIES TO -- YOU KNOW, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE COAS COASTLINE. I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR GET CONSENSUS BUT DIRECT STAFF TO PUT THE BED TAX OF 1% INCREASE ON A FUTURE AGENDA THAT THEY WOULD DEEM TO BE REASONABLE -- TO GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA IF POSSIBLE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME UNDERSTAND THEIR USING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS TO ASK FOR AN AGENDA ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. WE CAN'T VOTE ON THE PREMISE OR MERITS BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A FORMAL NOTICE REQUIREMENT.

MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. YOUR REQUEST IS FOR -- FOR MYSELF AS A CHAIR TO PLACE THIS AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, THAT'S

CORRECT? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: YES,

SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET'S HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE BO BOARD.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: JUST A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. WHAT IS THE INTENT FOR THE USE

FOR THE DOLLARS GENERATED? >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I KNOW THE FLORIDA STATUTE HAS MULTIPLE USES, WHETHER ADVERTISING BENEFIT FOR BUSINESS OWNERS, WATERWAYS,

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LIMITED RESOURCES, FINANCIAL RESOURCES IN THE COUNTY, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY AVAIL OURSELVES OF. SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE INTENDED USE WOULD BE, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE --

TAKE A GOOD STRONG LOOK AT. >> JEB SMITH: SO IF YOU WERE INTENDING TO INCREASE REVIEW, ARE YOU INTENDING TO LOWER

ANOTHER TAX? >> WELL, I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER TAX THAT WOULD ALMOST EXCL EXCLUSIVELY EFFECT PEOPLE WHO DOESN'T -- WHO DON'T LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT WE COULD LOWER, BUT NO THIS WILL NOT AFFECT THE RESIDENTS I AM ELECTED TO REPRESENT AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND LOWERING A TAX INCREASE ON PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE.

>> I ASK THAT BECAUSE OF THE OPTIONS AFFORDED GOVERNMENT TO FIND -- TO FUND ITS EFFORTS AND CONSUMPTION TAXES IS MOST EQUITABLE. UNLIKE PROPERTY TAXES THAT ARE GROCERY UNFAIR, I THINK THAT CONSUMPTION TAXES ARE MORE EQUITABLE. THEORETICALLY FAVOR A NET SHIFT. AND NET INCREASE OF A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE. AN AD VALOREM INCREASE REQUIRES A MAJORITY. AND I AM CONCERN OF RAISING TAXES AND GENERATE MORE REVENUE THAT WE WOULD BE CONCERNED OF LIVING -- THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED OF LIVING WITHIN OUR MEANS AND SPENDING WISELY. I WANT TO ASK ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT FIRST.

ON OCTOBER 19, 2020, THE TDC WITNESSED A PRESENTATION OF DESTINATION MARKETING REVIEW BY ROBIN MALPASS OF ROBIN MALPASS AND ASSOCIATES, INC. OF CHICAGO, ILLINOIS.

HAVE YOU VIEWED THAT -- THAT PRESENTATION? IT IS ITEM NUMBER 7. AND I ENCOURAGE THE ENTIRE BOARD TO LOOK AT IT. IT WAS SENT TO ME ON NOVEMBER 2 BY MISS TARIS MEEKS. AND I HAVE LISTENED TO IT TW TWICE. IT IS -- IT IS A FASCINATING OVERVIEW OF PRESENT SPENDING ON OUR MARKETING EFFORTS IN OUR AREA VIA TAX DOLLARS. I MET WITH MISS MALPASS IN MY OFFICE FEBRUARY 19, 2021. SHE WAS VISITING A SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND REQUESTED MY INPUT.

OUR DISCUSSION WAS FASCINATING AND I FOUND IT EXTREMELY ENLIGHTENING TO HEAR HER PROFESSIONAL OVERVIEW OF THE USE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FROM MARKETING THROUGH THE TDC.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HER BUT I DO RELAY -- I DO RELAY THAT THE BUDGET IN HER OPINION WAS VERY, VERY HEALTHY AND HER OPINION IS THAT IT IS NOT EFFECTIVELY MAXIMIZED.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO REVIEW PRESENTATION AND SPEAK WITH HER PERSONALLY. SHE POSSESSES AN OUTSIDERS' VIEWPOINT AND UNBIASED. I SAY THIS TO MAKE A POINT.

NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE BUT A MILES PER HOUR EFFICIENT LOOK AT WHAT IS REMITTED. AS CONSERVATIVE, I WILL BE CAUTIOUS, VERY CAUTIOUS WITH SUCH EFFORTS OF THE RAISING OF TAXES. THAT IS MY COMMENT.

I ENCOURAGE YOU BEFORE ANYTHING MOVES FORWARD REVIEW THE OCTOBER 19 TDC MEETING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. I THINK -- IF WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA WE WILL HAVE MORE TO TALK ABOUT THE MERITS.

WHAT I WANT TO DETERMINE -- AS FAR AS PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA. COMMISSIONER WALDRON? WALDRON WAILZ DON'T MIND US HEARING IT, BUT I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE TDC BOARD BACK FIRST TO HEAR WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS LOOKING AT. YOU KNOW, IT IS A TOUGH TIME TO MAKE ANY CHANGES DURING A PANDEMIC.

AND THERE IS A CONCERN THERE. I THINK.

>> LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE BUDGETED WILL BE AHEAD OF THIS YEAR SO FAR AND SOMETHING TO LOOK AT AND I THINK I HAVE ASKED HER TO SEND THAT WHEN WAS ON THE BOARD -- AND DIDN'T GET IT.

IF YOU DIDN'T WATCH IT, PLEASE WATCH IT.

IT IS VERY ENLIGHTENING WHAT SHE SAID.

IF WE DO IT BACK TO THE TDC BOARD TO GET INPUT AND THEY

KNOW WHAT IS COMING UP. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> HENRY DEAN: I STRONGLY SUPPORT PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. AND I AM SURE WE CAN HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND I CERTAINLY WILL, COMMISSIONER SMITH, LOOK AT THAT PRESENTATION.

BECAUSE I AM SORT OF INTERESTED BECAUSE I SERVE ON THE VCB BOARD AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I CAN LEARN IN

THAT ROLE. >> JEB SMITH: I LEARNED A LOT AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING.

I THINK YOU WILL LEARN A LOT. I ENCOURAGE TO YOU DO SO BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH ANYTHING ELSE AND PROCEDURALLY, IT SHOULD GO

BEFORE THE TDC ITSELF. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y

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SO I UNDERSTAND, PATRICK. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS DOING A FORMAL REQUEST. WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE TDC. WHAT WE CAN TO DO FACILITATE

THAT PROCESS. >> I THINK YOU CAN DIRECT THAT THE STAFF BRING BEFORE THE TDC A PROPOSED FIFTH CENT.

AND I WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING OUT THE STATUTE.

THE GOVERNING BOARD OF THE COUNTY SHALL ADOPT A PLAN OF THE ORDINANCE LEVYS THE TAX. AFTER THE ENACTMENT LEVYING AND IMPOSING THE TAX. THE PLAN OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE SUBSTANTIALLY AMENDED EXCEPT BY ORDINANCE ACTED BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF A MAJORITY PLUS ONE ADDITIONAL MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BOARD. THAT WILL BE FOUR.

SO WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS IF THERE WOULD BE A FIFTH CENT, IT WOULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF CHANGING THE COUNTY'S PLAN AND WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE AND 4/50 VOTE.

AND GOES TO COMMISSIONER SM SMITH'S SORT OF QUESTION, THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN USING THAT FIFTH CENT, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, I THINK, PART OF WHAT THE -- EVENTUALLY WHAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE, BUT I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME -- SOME OPTIONS ON HOW TO DIRECT THAT -- THAT FIFTH BE CENT.

IS THAT FIFTH CENT GOING TO GO TOWARD ONE OF THE ELIGIBLE USES OR SPREAD OUT FOR SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE USES.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DETERMINED AS WELL AND THE TDC CAN POTENTIALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND AND THAT IT IS CLEAR. THE OPTIONS ARE -- COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS AS FAR AS THE MERITS, AND WE CAN EITHER VOTE TODAY TO SEND IT TO THE TDC AND DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT OR PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. IN THE INTERIM, GO TO THE TDC

WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCEDURE. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WOULD THE MAKER OF THE MOTION HAVE TO

INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION? >> I THINK THE MAKER OF THE MOTION COULD BASICALLY -- THE MOTION IS TO HAVE A -- A PROPOSAL FOR A FIFTH CENT AND THE -- BASICALLY THE AMENDED PLAN BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK IT COULD BE AFTER REVIEW BY THE TDC.

THE BOARD COULD MAKE THAT PART OF THE DIRECTION OR WITH THE TIME FRAME THAT HAVE BEEN NATURALLY.

MIGHT BE BETTER TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE

DIRECTION. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING THIS CORRECTLY GOING FORWARD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: I WAS GOING TO SAY MARCH 15 IS THE TDC MEETING, THE NEXT ONE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO REFLECT THAT WE SHOULD BRING UP THE POTENTIAL RAISING OF OUR BED TAX AND FIFTH CENT AFTER REVIEW OF THE MARCH 5 MEETING BY THE TDC AND THEN PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL. FOR THE TDC MEETING HERE IN

APRIL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR. CONRAD. .>

>> IF I COULD FOR CLARITY, IF THE MOTION CARRIES AND A SECOND AND THIRD AND FOLLOW-UP VOTE, THE RECOMMENDED MOTION THAT I WILL WORK -- WORK WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TDC -- TO TAKE IT TO THE TDC ON THE 15TH OF HOW THEY A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THEY WOULD USE THE FIFTH PENNY THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO BOARD DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR FROM STAFFING IF THIS IS WHAT

EXACTLY YOU ARE ADDRESSING. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SLOW DOWN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS THAT YOUR INTENT? MAKE YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: I WAS GOING

TO SECOND IT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ALL

[Public Comment (Part 2 of 2)]

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? NEED TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> HENRY DEAN: WE MAY HAVE

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GO AHEAD. >> HELLO? GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

>> HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> HENRY DEAN: WE CAN NOW. YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIDADENE. I ASK THE COMMISSION TO VOTE YES AND MOVE THIS FORWARD. SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO. THIS IS TAXING PEOPLE THAT COME HERE THAT COST US MONEY. THAT'S ALL IT IS.

PEOPLE COME HERE. THEY SHOULD BE PAYING.

WE HAVE BEEN PAYING AND WE HAVE BEEN -- COST US A LOT OF MONEY TO USE ALL THESE RESOURCES. IT'S TIME THAT THE HOMETOWN TEAM DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY AS MUCH.

AND FURTHERMORE, THANK YOU V VERY, VERY MUCH, FOLKS.

THANK YOU. AND FURTHERMORE, COMMISSIONERS, I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, FOR US TO -- FOR US TO HAVE A LOW -- A LOW -- A LOW BED TAX IS CRAZY BECAUSE WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE COUNTY IN THE ENTIRE -- IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE ARE THE BEST.

WE GOT THE BEST BEACHES. WE GOT THE BEST PEOPLE.

AND WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, OUR BED TAX SHOULD BE THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE. PEOPLE WANT TO COME HERE, THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR WAY. NO SUCH THING AS A FREE RIDE, BUT HERE WE HAVE TO USE ALL OF OUR RESOURCES AND STUFF, CH CHAIRS, AMBULANCES. I KNOW IT IS LIMITED WHAT WE CAN RAISE IT, BUT WHATEVER WE CAN USE FOR THAT BED TAX, LET'S DO THAT BECAUSE SMART GOVE GOVERNING.

PEOPLE COMING HERE NEED TO PAY. PAY FOR WHAT THEY USE.

FURTHERMORE I WILL HAVE MORE ON PATRICK MCCORMACK'S AMBUSH AT THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. INDICATES ANOTHER CALLER.

>> ED SLAVIN, BOX 384. I AGREE WITH MR. REYNOLDS.

I SUPPORT THE FIFTH CENT. I COMMEND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. YOU HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT I WAS HERE TO SPEAK IN THE AGENDA -- AND I NEVER GOT CALLED ON SO THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW.

UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE 129.03, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND I THINK THE DUTY TO SAY TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT THEY HAVE TO PRESENT THEIR BUDGETS BY MAY 1 OF EACH YEAR SO WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PROCESS ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT INCLUDES THE SHERIFF AND WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AND WE NEED TO DO THAT.

THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING IN THE AUDITORIUM WITH EVERYBODY HEARD TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR THE SHERIFF AND EVERYTHING ELSE. NOW I ALSO -- I WANT TO COMMEND BJ KALALI FOR ALL SHE DONE FOR 25 YEARS.

AND MY FRIEND FOUND OUT WHAT HER BIRTHDAY WAS.

AUGUST 8. CAN WE MAKE AUGUST 8 -- A DAY TO HONOR HER OF ALL SHE HAS DONE OF BEING A GOVERNMENT WATCHDOG. I AGREE ARE MR. REYNOLDS AND MISS KALALI ABOUT THE EX-PARTE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAVE.

NO PRINCIPAL REASON FOR YOU TO MEET WITH ANY DEVELOPER EVER.

AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. REYNOLDS.

THOSE MEETINGS NEED TO BE RECORDED ON VIDEOTAPE.

AS SCOTT MADDOX AND OTHER CASES PROVE, IF YOU VIDEOTAPE THEM OR THE FBI MIGHT. NOW TALKING OF ESCAPING FROM DEVELOPERS AND TAKE BLOCK ON ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE CAN'T AFFORD THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE LEGISLATION WHICH I BROUGHT UP NOW SINCE 2006.

AND THAT WOULD TAKE ALL THE LAND.

HENRY HANKERSON. FOR 140,000 ACRES IN TWO COUNTIES. PUT IT IN A LOCK BOX AND PROTECT OUR PEOPLE. AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS A PLAN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO PROTECT PUBLIC ACCESS TO GET MORE PUBLIC FUNDS TO PROTECT THE BEACHES, THAT IS HOW WE DO IT. WE NEED TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE NOVEMBER 1, 2011.

ON THE AGENDA. THE FIRST PROPOSED IN 1939 BY

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AD WE NEED TO TALK OF PRESERVING AND PROTECTING WHAT WE KNOW AND LOVE AND DON'T MEET WITH DEVELOPERS AGAIN, PLEASE.

AND IF YOU DO, VIDEOTAPE IT. I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY COULD POSSIBLY TELL YOU IN THOSE PRIVATE EX-PARTE MEETINGS OTHER THAN MAXIMUM. THERE IS CORRUPTION IN THIS COUNTY, AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, TOM -- THANK YOU, ED.

ED. >> ANTI-BRIBERY CAMPAIGN AS AN OFFICIAL POLICY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMAN. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU.

NOW THERE MAY BE ONE MORE -- NO, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC HEAR IN OUR AUDITORIUM PLEASE, YES, MA'AM.

PLEASE STEP UP. YOU KNOW THE DRILL.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> 1283 PUL ONDE VEDRA BOULEVARD. ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS BEEN HIT BY THREE MAJOR STORMS AND OUR BEACHES ARE NOW PERMANENTLY ALTERED. THEY HAVE ALREADY CHANGED AND WE HAVE TO STOP THIS TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE EROSION FROM HAPP HAPPENING. EVEN A NOR'EASTER LIKE WE ARE HAVING TODAY EFFECTS US. JUST IN SEPTEMBER, IT WAS DANGEROUS TO WALK THROUGH THE GEO 2 AREA.

COUNTY STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS WORKED SO HARD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS TO GET US TO THE POINT WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS A REALLY EXCITING TIME. RENOURISHMENT PLAN IN FOR PERMITTING. TWO, FEMA HAS ALLOWED US TO EITHER BUILD A BERM OR FIND A PERMANENT RENOURISHMENT SOLUTION WITH THE SAME MONEY. THREE, THE STATE HAS SHOWN FINANCIAL SUPPORT EVERY TIME WE ASKED HIM.

YES DURING COVID, A LOT THINGS GOT VEHICLEOED, BUT THEY ALWAYS COME THROUGH TO US. FOURTH, A BIG ONE WE DIDN'T THINK WE COULD DO. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARMY CORPS WITH OF THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS, EIGHT PROJECTS CHOSEN FROM THE ENTIRE NATION TO BE STUDIED FOR A FEDERAL PROJECT IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS HUGE AND I CAN'T UNDER ESTIMATE HOW IMPORTANTS THIS BECAUSE NOT ONLY THE STATE GOVERNMENT THINKS IT IS IMPORTANT.

BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THINKS IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. SO NOW IS THE TIME.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IN PV.

AND PROTECTING THE BEACHES AND INVESTING IN OUR RESOURCES.

THE STATE BELIEVES IN IT. NOW WE HAVE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AS A COUNTY AND TAKE THE STEPS NEEDED TO GET IN FUNDED.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT? WELL, OUR HOTELS AND HOSPITALITY ARE HUGE, HUGE BUSINESS IN PONDRE VEDRA AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE HOTELS BEFORE COVID PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY, $2.6 MILLION OF THE BED TAX DAUGHTERS CAME FROM PV. ALMOST NONE OF THIS MONEY HAS EVER BEEN INVESTED. IT WASN'T NEEDED.

WE DIDN'T HAVE STORMS BEFORE THIS HAPPENED.

SUDDENLY NOW WE HAVE A NEED AND VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT USED TO BE. THERE WASN'T A NEED AND NOW THERE IS A KNEES. YOU WANT TO KEEP -- A NEED.

IF YOU WANT THE MONEY COMING INTO PV YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE BEACHES ARE THERE. IS IT FAIR -- OH, THE CABANA CLUB DURING IRMA -- DESTROYED BY IRMA HAD TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE. AND SO THAT'S DONE.

WE ALL KNOW THAT EVERY ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IS A BEACH COMMUNITY THAT CHARGE MORE FOR THEIR BED TAX, 5, 6%.

TIME TO PROTECT PV BEACH AND WILL MAKE THE INVESTMENT FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS. PV MAKES UP 5% OF THE AD VALOREM AND PROTECTS OUR TOURISM AND THE LIFESTYLE FOR THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS TO VISIT OUR BEACHES EVERY SINGLE WEEK.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> LORI MOFFITT, 9107 PONDRE VEDRA.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON BETH'S COMMENTS.

I AM THE NUMBERS PERSON. AND I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND COMMITMENT THAT THE STATE OF STATE OF ARE SITTING INTO PONDRE VEDRE BEACH.

NUMBER ONE, AS YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN THIS PAST JANUARY PUT US ON THEIR NEW SHORT LIST FOR THE WORK PLAN FOR THE U.S. ARMY CORP. THEY HAD THOUSANDS OF PROJECTS A AND ONLY SELECTED EIGHT AND ONE CHOSEN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND IT WAS P ONDRE VEDRA.

ON THE PONDE VEDRA COASTLINE HAVE PUT IN A BERM AND THEN $6

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THEY DON'T WANT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF RISK IN UPON DRA VIS DRA. THEY ARE APPROXIMATELY TO PUT IN $6 MILLION AND A TIME LIMIT. THAT'S WHERE THE FEDERAL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS AT. NOW ON TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

EVERY TIME WE HAVE GONE TO OUR STATE DELEGATION FOR HELP, THEY SAID WE ARE GOING TO GET YOU THE MONEY, OKAY.

THEY PUT IN HALF THE COST OF PERMITTING AND DESIGN FOR A PROJECT. ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU GAVE US $3 MILLION DOWNPAYMENT TO THE PROJECT. WE WENT TO OUR STATE DELEGATION. THEY SAID WE WILL MATCH IT AND THEY DID. THROUGH THE FINISH LINE AND BILLION DOLLARS OF VETOES FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE.

LOOK LIKE THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS RUNNING "SURVIVR" PLUSES.

OUR DELEGATION IS AT IT AGAIN. GET THE 3 $5 MILLION AND HOPEFULLY IN 2021 WE WILL GET IT.

WHEN YOU ADD IT ALL UP, THAT IS POTENTIALLY 13 MILLION WE NOW HAVE IN THE BANK FOR THIS PROJECT.

OKAY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 30 MILLIONISH SORT OF PROJECT. AND THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THE BEACH WITH THE BED TAX INCREASE FOR WATERWAY PROJECTS GENERALLY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF TOURISM NEED OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH WATER PROJECTS UP AND DOWN THE COASTLINE, BUT I STRONGLY URGE TO YOU NOT LET THIS $13 MILLION GO AND PLEASE CONSIDER RENOURISHING PONDRE VEDRA BEACH WITH THE BED TAX

[Commissioners’ Reports (Part 2 of 2)]

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE? THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT UNLESS OF CONTROL ROOM TELLS ME OTHERWISE.

OKAY. WE ARE DONE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENT NOW CLOSED BACK TO THE BOARD.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

AGAIN, MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR. TO DIRECT STAFF.

WE NEED TO BE CLEAR WHEN WE ARE BRINGING THIS BACK.

GO IN FRONT OF THE TDC ON THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH, MARCH.

HOW SOON WILL STAFF BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD?

>> ONCE THE TDC MAKES THEIR RECOMMENDATION IF IT COMES OUT THE 15TH. WE CAN WORK REAL HARD.

I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULING AND A PUBLISHING AND TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN ADVANCE, BUT AT LEAST THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, POTENTIALLY THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL. ONCE THEY COME OUT OF THERE THE RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THE FIFTH PENNY WILL BE USED.

VERY LITTLE WORK LEFT ON STAFF. THE FOUR OF YOU ON THIS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. WORK DONE PREVIOUSLY AND TDC MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION HOW THE FIFTH PENNY WILL BE USED SIMPLE FOR US TO BRING FORTH TO THE BOARD AND HERE IS THE TDC RECOMMENDATION. THE SECOND PIECE I LOOK TO OCA BECAUSE WITH THE ORDINANCE CHANGE.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO. JUST THE RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL AT THE VERY LATEST, THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL.

>> NONBINDING RECOMMENDATION? >> NONBINDING RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THE TDC -- IF THAT IS YOUR BOARD APPOINTED BY THIS BOARD, THAT WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF HOW TO USE THAT FIFTH PENNY AND ARE RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT ANY ORDINANCE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GUILT BACK AND WATCH WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH. SAID IT IS IMPORTANT THAT AA MEEKS DID A PRESENTATION THE LAST TIME AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT UPDATED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE ALL THE SLIDES, INFORMATION AND ECONOMIC BENEFITS.

MR. MCCORMACK. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: YES, IN TERMS OF THE MECHANICS OF THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A FORMAT FOR THAT.

PLUGGING IN THE ACTUAL PLAN TYPE THING WHICH I DON'T THINK IS VERY COMPLICATED EITHER. I THINK REASONABLY -- I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THAT COULDN'T BE TURNED AROUND IN A COUPLE OF

WEEKS AFTER THE TDC. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A FIRST

HEARING AND SECOND HEARING. >> NORMALLY A FIRST HEARING AND A SECOND HEARING. THE RULE OF THE BOARD.

A SHOULD. THAT WOULD BE YOUR STANDARD

PROCESS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SOMETIME IN APRIL. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GENTLEMEN, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: NOTHING TO

TODAY. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: GO TO

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR.

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WELL, ACTUALLY LET ME START OFF TO SAY A BEAUTIFUL TIME OF YEAR. I AM THANKFUL FOR GOD'S GRACE AND ABILITY TO CELEBRATE HIS CREATION AND I STEPPED OUT OF THE HOUSE AND THE AROMA OF THE ORANGE BLOSSOMS, THE AZALEAS ARE BLOOMING, THE.

ONLY AFTER THE PIC AN BUD S THAN WINTER IS OVER.

JUST SAYING. THAT WHAT MY GRANDDADDY USED TO SAY. A BEAUTIFUL IN SOUTH HASTINGS.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT, A WET WINTER CREATED SOME CHALLENGES.

POTATOES HAD TO BE REPLANTED WASHINGTON OF THE SEED DECAY.

QUALITY OF COLD CROPS COMPROMISED.

ROT AND OTHER DISEASES ARE REAM MAN IN THE.

REMINDS ME OF 1998. A VERY WET WINTER AND TURNED OUT VERY DRY. SOME BENEFITS FROM THE WET WINTER AND COLD WEATHER IS THE CATTLE MARKET HAS BEEN RECENT -- BECAUSE THE RECENT WINTER STORM RESULTED IN VERY HIGH SLAUGHTER PRICES. THEY HAVE SINCE RETURNED TO NORMAL BUT IT WAS EXTREMELY FOR AT LEAST TWO WEEKS.

MARCH 17 IS ST. PATRICK'S DAY. IT IS COMING CLOSE TO US.

CABBAGE PRODUCERS WILL BE SHIPPING GREATER TO SUPPORT OUR DEMAND BY EATING CABBAGE. ALSO TIME TO BE PLANTING CORN.

FUTURES HAVE BEEN VERY STRONG. THE LAST I LOOKED THEY WERE OVER $5.50 PER BUSHEL. SOME OTHER THOUGHTS.

FUEL PRICES CONTINUE TO RISE. YESTERDAY WAS THE HIGHEST AVERAGE PRICE PER GALLON IN FLORIDA SINCE JULY 20 OF 2019.

THERE ARE CERTAIN TO CONTINUE THIS TREND DUE TO THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION ON FOSSIL FUELS.

LET ME JUST SAY ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND YOU WILL SEE IT AT THE PUMP. NOT ONLY AT THE PUMP BUT OTHER COMMODITY PRICES THAT HAVE TO SHIP.

INCREASE THE COST. ALSO JUST A THOUGHT, MARCH 5 THROUGH 14 IS DAYTONA BEACH'S BIKE WEEK.

WE WILL BE SEEING MORE MOTORCYCLES ON THE COUNTRY S SIDE. BE VERY WATCHFUL AND VIGILANT.

STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION HAS BEGUN TODAY.

IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER, BUT ALSO SOMETHING THAT I GET A LOT OF E-MAILS ON AS WELL AND I THINK THE REST OF THIS BOARD HAS TOO WITH REGARD TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CONCERNED OF THE PRESENT ADMINISTRATION'S OVERSIGHT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT NECESSARY THE RIGHT THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. VOW TO PROTECT AGAINST FOREIGN AND I WILL DO SUCH. A PRECIOUS COME MOD DEE AND ALL OF THE CONSTITUTION ESPECIALLY IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE VERY VIGILANT OVER AS WELL.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS.

PWLONGZ BLOCKER THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH,

COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> HENRY DEAN: FOR ALL OF HOUSE WANT TO SEE PONTE VEDRA BEACH PROTECTED AND WE HAVE HEALTHY BEACHES IN THE 42 MILES OF COASTLINE.

ONE GAP THAT STILL EXISTS AND CRITICALLY ERODED.

REMINDS ME THOUGH THIS IS MARCH TO GIVE HOPE IT THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE PROGRESS. IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO THIS FRONT THAT MYSELF AND SEVERAL STAFF PEOPLE MET WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS CIVIL WORKS VERY RUE BOARD AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THE VALONO BEACH SOUTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH AND THIS PROJECT WENT FORWARD AND COMPLETED LAST MONTH THE FIRST RENOURISHMENT. IT LOOKS GOOD FOR THOSE HAVEN'T SEEN. I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST FOR RAISE CAN THE ISSUE OF THE FIFTH CENT.

I THINK IT IS THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD COMMISSIONER SMITH, THE DATE OF

THAT TDC REPORT? >> OCTOBER 19, 2020, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. .

>> OCTOBER 19? >> JEB SMITH: OCTOBER 19, 2

2020, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, THAT

IS ALL THINK OF. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. I WILL MAKE BRIEF COMMENTS.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT HIGHLIGHT PONDE VEDRA GIRL SOCCER TEAM. AND FRAUD OF THE ATHLETICS.

THESE MEN AND WOMEN WORK INCREDIBLY HARD TO DO THIS.

I WANT TO BRIEFLY COMMENT ON WHAT HAPPENED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. HUMBLED THAT MR. DUDLEY AND THE VETERANS COUNCIL BESTOWED THAT AWARD.

THAT AWARD IS FOR T THIS COUNTY COMMISSION HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR VETERANS FOR A LONG TIME.

AND THIS IS REALLY A THANKS TO ALL YOU GENTLEMAN AND STAFF FOR GREAT WORK. ALSO THANK MR. MCCORMACK FOR

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THANK OUR STAFF, OUR VACCINATION EFFORTS WERE IN COMPLETE CHAOS AND A STATE AGENCY STRUGGLING DRAMATICALLY AND OUR STAFF STEPPED UP, JUMPED IN THE FOXHOLE.

AND EXECUTED. I LOVE THAT.

I LOVED THAT OUR CITIZEN WERE BEING TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE WE HAVE A HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT CARE. SHOW UP AND DO THEIR JOB AND TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS. THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS COMMENTED THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS LEADING THE WAY AND THIS MEANS SOMETHING AND THAT SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED. I WANT YOU AND OUR STAFF UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE THAT AS THIS BOARD.

WE ARE GETTING E-MAILS THANKING US THAT THEY FEEL SAFE AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO HOME AND CRY ANYMORE.

THAT MEANS SOMETHING. THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT.

JUST VERY BRIEFLY TO OUR BEACHES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

LIKE FORWARD AS A BOARD ADD ADDRESSING THIS.

I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT TO OUR ECONOMY AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE.

THIS IS WHY MANY PEOPLE WHO VISIT ST. JOHNS COUNTY COME TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I AM OPEN MINDED TO ANY OPTION THAT IS GOING TO HELP SAVE OUR BEACHES AND ADDRESS THIS.

NOT JUST A PONDRE VEDRA ISSUE. PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY THAT USE THESE BEACHES. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND OTHER NEEDS. LOOK FORWARD TO US AS BOARD

[County Administrator’s Report]

AS PARTS -- AS ONE COMMISSIONER I VIEWED PART OF MY JOB TO IDENTIFY SOLUTIONS AND ADDRESS PROBLEMS. IT IS TOUGH TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT JUST SITTING IN CHAIRS JUST VOTING. AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS AND GO FROM THERE. WITH THOSE COMMENTS, I HAVE SAID WAY TO MUCH TODAY. TURN IT OVER TO MR. CONRAD,

COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. >> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THE KIND COM COMMENTS.

THE REAL PRAISE TO MR. GIAMOCO AND THE FIRE RESCUE TEAM AND ALL THE FIRE FIGHTERS OUT THERE SIX, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. THE CITY HELPS TO PROVIDE RESOURCES. AS YOU KNOW A NUMBER VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE OUT THERE NOW, AS WELL AS SUPPORTING THAT MISSION.

AND KUDOS TO THE PEOPLE DOING THE WORK OUT THERE AND APPRECIATE.COMPLIMENTS AND PUSH THAT OUT TO THEM AND RECOGNIZE THIS BOARD'S APPRECIATION TO THEM.

ALONG THOSE LINES AS YOU MAY AWARE, THE GOVERNOR PRODUCED ANOTHER EXECUTIVE ORDER. WE PUT OUT COMMUNICATION PLAN THAT WILL BE OUT DURING OUR MEETING FOR THE PUBLIC SAKE IF ANYONE IS LISTENING SO YOU ALL KNOW, YOU WILL SEE IT WHEN YOU COME BACK AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.

THE VACCINATION SITE, WE HAVE EXPANDED OUR APPOINTMENT OFFERINGS TO INCLUDE K-12, SCHOOL EMPLOYEES 50 YEARS OR OLDER, SWORN LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO ARE 50 YEARS AND OLDER AND FIRE FIGHTERS WHO ARE AGE 50 YEARS AND OLDER.

THAT IS PART OF THE EXPANDED OFFERING NOW.

AND INCLUDING THE OVER 65 FR FRONT-LINE HEALTH CARE WORKERS AS YOU MAY KNOW. IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY WE HAVE A PROBLEM FILLING THE SLOTS BECAUSE WE HAVE VACCINATED 85% OF OUR 60 AND OLDER POPULATION. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE REACHED MAXIMUM CAPACITY. ONE OR TWO OFF THAT MAY STILL BE LOOKING. I BRIEFED YOU INDIVIDUALLY, WE ARE PUBLICIZING WITH MEDIA MARKETS.

IF OFF PROBLEM WITH VACCINES SEND THEM HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE VACCINES. IF PEOPLE WANT THEM, WE HAVE THE AVAILABILITY. AS YOU KNOW IT HAVEN'T EXPANDED SIGNIFICANTLY YET. NOT EVERYBODY OVER 50 YEARS AND OLDER SO THAT GROUP IS STILL LIMITED.

SO WE ARE TELLING PEOPLE AT THIS POINT, IF YOU NEED A VACCINE UNTIL THE GOVERNOR EXPANDS IT EVEN MORE, WE CAN DO IT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE THE VACCINES.

FIRE RESCUE AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IS UP TO PAR THERE AND WANT TO QUICKLY MENTION THAT.

RELATED TO COVID-19, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THE BOARD WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN ADDITIONAL TESTING SITE TO HELP THE UNINSURED RESIDENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU. I SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN MAKER OF THE MOTION TO ADDRESS THAT AND THIS BOARD SUPPORTED IT. AND WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK AND MAKE A MOTION. NOT A MOTION BUT RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD. WE HAVE BEEN AT THE AG CENTER NOW FOR -- SINCE THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY AND LOOKING ON MY COMPUTER TO GIVE THE EXACT NUMBERS.

TO DATE, AND THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE -- MULTIPLE COMP PL PLANS. AND AS YOU KNOW IT MEANS GOING TO THE MEDIA, SOCIAL MEDIA, FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, NEWS 4 JAX, THE LOCAL STATIONS, THE RECORD, AND TO DATE WE HAVE ONLY VACCINATED 46 UNINSURED RESIDENTS OUT THERE.

THAT SITE IS COSTING US $60,000 A MONTH.

I HAVE WORKED WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND HE HAS WORKED WITH FLAGLER FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH TO NEGOTIATE THAT DOWN.

BUT IF THIS BOARD WILL SO APPROVE, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

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THE BOARD IS AWARE IN JANUARY, THE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNINSURED TO BE TESTED. CVS OFFERS THAT.

I DON'T KNOW THEIR SCHEDULE, DATES OR TIMES BUT AN AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE UNINSURED TO GET VACCINATED.

60 OR 70 DAYS ONLY 40 UNINSURED WITH MULTIPLE PUSHES TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THE NEED WILL CONTINUE THERE BE -- I MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

I TRY NOT TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TOO FREQUENTLY BUT ONE I WOULD RECOMMEND WITH THE COST ANALYSIS AND THE ABILITY TO BE VACCINATED ELSEWHERE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MR. CONRAD, POINT OF -- YOU ARE

USING -- VACCINE AND TESTING. >> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR.

I AM REFERENCING TESTING. WE ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO TESTING OF INSURED AND UNINSURED.

INSURED CAN BE TESTED AS WELL. A SOLUTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN

TO SUPPORT UNINSURED TESTING. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR, NO BARRIER FROM AN INDIANA INSURED INDIVIDUAL TO RECEIVE A VACCINATION.

>> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T START A F FIRESTORM.

SPECIFICALLY A TESTING SITE. .ORON

>> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY.

I WOULD LOOK FOR BOOED CONSENSUS TO GIVE US GO AHEAD AND APPROVAL TO CUT OFF THAT TESTING SITE.

TESTING SITE AT THE END OF MARCH.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD.

>> JEB SMITH: SO MOVED. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: SECOND. PWLOBINGZ PWLOBINGZ A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

DO WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT?

PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE. >> HENRY DEAN: OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION TO BASICALLY NOT RENEW THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WHICH GOES THROUGH THE BALANCE OF THIS MONTH FOR TESTING -- PAYMENT FOR TESTING FOR THE UNINSURED AT THE AG CENTER. THAT IS THE MOTION AND SECOND.

SEEING -- THIS IS THERE A C CALL-IN?

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGADEEN COURT.

I WANT TO THANK HUNTER CONRAD. HE HAS BEEN REALLY WORKING AT THAT. HE IS THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT IS IN ALL HIS WORK. YOU CAN TELL THAT.

BY WATCHING HIM RIGHT NOW, I AM VERY IMPRESSED HIS WORK.

IMPRESSED HIM AS AN INDIVIDUAL, ALTHOUGH HE WAS HIRED UNDER DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT NOT HIS FAULT.

IT WILL ALWAYS BE BLOCKER AND DEAN.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

I AM STILL WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

I FEEL A LOT BETTER. I HOPE HE IS WORKING ON THE ENGINE ROOM TOO. ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE RESTAURANTS. YOU KNOW COMMISSIONERS, THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE -- WHO ARE MAKING OUR FOOD AND BEING HEALTHY.

I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I WANT HEALTHY. AND THIS IS INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN THE RESTAURANTS.

THE DISHWASHERS. ALL THE SMALL PEOPLE.

EVEN MYSELF THE RIDE SHARE OPERATORS.

THE MODERN-DAY TAXI UBER DRIVER.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, APPRECIATE IT.

DEAN DAENZ THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

-- >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER COMMENT? SEEING NONE.

PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. >> HUNTER CONRAD: THANK YOU WILL CHAIR. ONE MORE THING TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD THIS MORNING. I WILL BE LOOKING FOR ADVANCED APPROVAL AND AUTHORITY. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE AT THE JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COMMISSION, THIS BOARD, THE DISCUSSION WAS BROUGHT FORWARD ABOUT REDISTRICTING. AND THE NECESSITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. I HAVE SPOKEWIN MR. FORSEN.

AS WE MEET NOW, HE IS MEETING WITH HIS BOARD TODAY TO GET SOME CLARITY. HE TOLD ME IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR HIS BOARD THAT HE EXPECTS HIS BOARD TO BE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD COLLECTIVELY TO SPLIT THE COST.

HE DOES NOT HAVE HIS BOARD'S APPROVAL YET, BUT HE SAID I COULD INDICATE TO HIS BOARD PUBLICLY WILL VERY LIKELY GIVE THEIR APPROVAL SINCE WE HAVE DONE IT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP TO IDENTIFY A CONSULTANT TO HELP WITH THE REGISTRATION. I AM ASKING FOR THAT ADVANCE APPROVAL TODAY SO THAT I CAN BEGIN TO DISCUSS FURTHER ONCE HE GETS HIS BOARD'S APPROVAL ON THE COST AND GET BACK A RFP AT THE TIME OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

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IF THE TIMING IS AVAILABLE TO BRING BACK THAT RFP SO STAFF WITH CRAFT THE LANGUAGE AND WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL TO SUPPORT THAT. I BRING THAT AND LOOKING FOR ADVANCE AUTHORIZATION FROM THIS BOARD TO BEGIN THAT PROCESS.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU.

SOUTH FLORIDA A MOTION. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. .> WO

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE TIME MEETING BUT OPEN IT UP TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COVERING THAT.

>> HENRY DEAN: ALL RIGHT, HE PUBLIC COMMENT OPENING FOR

DISCUSS ON THE REDISTRICTING. >> COORDINATING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD STAFF AS TO THE REDISTRICTING AND A SPLIT OF THE RFP AND OTHER ASSOCIATED COSTS.

>> THAT'S CORRECT, THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMACK.

>> I SEE NO CALLS PENDING. I SEE NO CALLS.

NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE. I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT

CLOSES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, MR. VICE-CHAIR. PUBLIC COMMENT

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