Feb 16, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[ Call to Order by Chair]

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>> CHAIRMAN: GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION OF FEBRUARY 16.

IN ORDER TO MITIGATE TRANSMISSION OF CORONAVIRUS AND COVID-19 ILLNESS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES OF MEETINGS USING REMOTE PRECIPITATION ORDER NUMBER 2020 Ã10 OF THE PUBLIC AS A MEANS TO COMMENTS WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. THE COUNTIES WEBSITE PROVIDES A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING EVEN IF PROVIDE COMMENTS THEY CAN LISTEN THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING REPORTED FOR THOSE OF YOU FALLING INTO COMMENTS. IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL CALL BACK. AND THEN SELF TIME A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT BECAUSE THE TIMER MIGHT NOT BE VISIBLE TO YOU ON YOUR SCREEN. FINALLY PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHEN YOU CALL INTO COMMENTS AND MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR SPEAKER WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING.

THESE BE AWARE THAT THERE MIGHT BE 1/32 DELAY IN THE PRESENTATION AND IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF RECESS THAN RICHARD AND AS THE ISSUES RESOLVED. THE MEETING MATERIALS TODAY ARE AVAILABLE UNDER THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES.ONCE YOU CLICK ON THE MEETING AGENDA OU CAN CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL THE MATERIAL.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE THE COMMISSIONER CALL ROLE.

>> CHAIRMAN: AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO ASK THE REVEREND TO COME AND TO OUR INVOCATION. WELCOME.

>> SPEAKER: LET'S BOW OUR HEADS.

HEAVENLY FATHER AND SPRAYED HER AND CREATOR OF ALL THINGS.

YES THEY GUIDE THE AFFAIRS OF THIS COUNTY IN THE TIME OF GREAT DIVISIVENESS. WE ASK YOU WOULD GIVE THE COUNTY LEADERS ALL THAT WAS RIGHT AND HONORABLE BEFORE YOU AND ALL THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT COUNTY.

THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY WILL BE A BASTION OF HOPE.

WE ASK THAT THE LOVE ONES WILL BE WITH THE LIGHT OF THIS GREAT COMMUNITY AND WITH THE DESIGNS OF THIS GREAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE SACRED TRADITIONS AND HISTORIC LEGACY OF THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE HONORED AND KEPT FOR GENERATIONS TO LEARN FROM. WE WILL HEED THE WORDS OF SOLOMON AND MAY THE LORD OUR GOD BE WITH US AS HE WAS OUR FATHERS AND MAY HE NOT LEAVE US OR FORSAKE US.

MAY HE INCLINE OUR HEART TO HIMSELF AND WALK IN HIS WAYS AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS AND STATUTES AND JUDGMENTS THAT HE HAS COMMANDED TO OUR FATHERS. WE ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT.

AMEN.> CHAIRMAN: THIS TIME I'M GOING TO ASK COLONEL RON

BURCHELL TO COME FORWARD. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I CERTAINLY THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

COMMISSIONERS AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT IS A PLEASURE AS I SAID TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS RON BURCHELL.

I HAD THE GREAT HONOR OF SERVING OUR GREAT NATION IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY FOR 30 YEARS.

THE LAST 25 AS A GREEN BERET. I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY IN MAY OF 1997 AFTER HAVING SERVED MOST OF 1996 ADVISING.

AFTER THE MILITARY I WAS ABLE TO JOIN THE DEDUPONT CORPORATIO AND I HAVE SERVED AS A PAST PRESIDENT AS THE MILITARY OFFICERS OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THE CURRENT CHAPTER FOR 5 YEARS AND CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE AREA VICE PRESIDENT FOR THE FLORIDA COUNCIL OF CHAPTERS. IS A BRIEF HISTORY AND NOW IT IS MY PLEASURE AND EVERYONE IS STANDING TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OUR GREAT NATION AND WE GIVE THINGS WE ARE TRULY BLESSED.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS WHEN NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

[Proclamation Recognizing February 2021 as Black History Month]

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>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST AND THIS MORNING IT IS MY HONOR THIS PROCLAMATION READING THIS FEBRUARY IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE DERRICK GREENE AND PASTOR BRITTON DOWN TO THE FRONT ALONG WITH ANYONE ELSE FROM THE HISTORIC COMMUNITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US IN THE FRONT THIS MORNING.

>> SPEAKER: ON BEHALF OF OF THE WEST AUGUSTINE COMMITTEE THE AMERICAN LEGION AND THE ENTIRE AFRICAN-AMERICAN POPULATION WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY AND ALL THOSE INVOLVED FOR THIS MOMENTOUS OCCASION THE CLEARING FEBRUARY AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> SPEAKER: AT THIS TIME MELISSA LUNDQUIST WILL READ THE

PROCLAMATION INTO RECORD. >> SPEAKER: THE PROCLAMATION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ST. JOHNS COUNTY WITH ORIGINS DATING BACK TO 1926 BLACK HISTORY MONTH WAS ESTABLISHED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF DOCTOR CARTER G WOODSON WHO FOUNDED THE ASSOCIATION OF THE STUDY OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN LIFE AND HISTORY. WHEREAS DURING THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY WE CELEBRATE THE VAST, RICH AND SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO THE NATION AND OUR CULTURAL IDENTITY. WHERE IS THE THEME FOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH 2021 IS THE BLACK FAMILY REPRESENTATION, IDENTITY AND DIVERSITY WHICH EXPLORES THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILY AND THEIR COMPLEX, DYNAMIC AND CAPTIVATING LIFE STORIES.

WHEREAS AFRICAN HISTORY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA SPANS 450 YEARS. IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WE ARE HOME TO FORT MEZEY WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1738 AS THE FIRST FREE LACK AFRICAN SETTLEMENT IN THE UNITED STATES. WHEREAS THE HISTORIES OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS SAINT AUGUSTINE AND ST. JOHN'S COUNTY ARE FOREVER CONNECTED THROUGH SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL EVENTS THAT HELPED SHAPE THE NATION. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY REMAINS DEDICATED TO HONOR THE HISTORY, CULTURE AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS BROUGHT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

NOW FOR THE PROCLAIMED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF ST.

JOHN'S FLORIDA BE RECOGNIZED AS BLACK HISTORY MONTH HONORING ALL AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR THEIR STRENGTH AND PERSEVERANCE IN FACING CHALLENGES EXPERIENCE THROUGHOUT OUR NATION'S HISTORY AND PAYING TRIBUTE TO THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE FOUNDING OF THIS COUNTRY. PAST AND ADOPTED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THIS 16TH DAY OF FEBRUARY, 2021. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SIGNED JEREMIAH RAY BLOCKER, CHAIRMAN.

[APPLAUSE] >> CHAIRMAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE APPROVAL OF THE PROCLAMATION.

>> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: MAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DEAN AND 2ND BY SMITH ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

[Public Safety Update]

GOOD MORNING SIR. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU TO APPROVE THIS PUBLIC SAFETY UPDATE.

WERE GOING TO TRIAL AND ERROR THIS THING TO SEE HOW IT GOES BUT I KNOW THERE WILL BE ONE AGENDA ITEM THIS MORNING WHERE MY STAFF WILL DISCUSS THE FIRE AND RESCUE.

I WANT TO INTRODUCE MY FIVE DIRECTORS AND THOSE FIVE DIRECTORS WILL START ATTENDING THESE ONE OR TWO AT A TIME TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE HERE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

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I WANT TO INTRODUCE THE TWO GENTLEMEN TO MY LEFT.

THE RANK STRUCTURE AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THERE IS A SHERIFF, UNDERSHERIFF VISION THAT HAVE NOT FILLED AND I BELIEVE THAT WITH MY FIVE DIRECTORS WE WILL HOPEFULLY ELIMINATE THAT SINCE THEY HAVE THEIR SILO OF OPERATIONS TO DEAL WITH. THE GENTLEMAN IN THE SUIT IS.

HOW GOVERNMENT. HE'S MY DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES AND THAT INCLUDES IT, FLEET, INNOVATION AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS LONG AS HR RISK MANAGEMENT AND RECORDS DIVISION INTERNAL AFFAIRS. THAT IS HIS REALM OF EXPERTISE.

HE IS A 36 YEAR VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE FLORIDA GUARD RANK STRUCTURE WORKS IN TOWN YOU HAVE THE TAG WHICH IS OUR GENERAL AND THEN YOU HAVE THE A TAG IN THE COLONEL RETIRED AS THE A TAG.

HE JOINED MY TEAM RECENTLY AS I TOOK OVER AS YOUR SHERIFF BEING INNOVATIVE THINGS, TIGHTENING UP A FEW THINGS WE WILL CALL IT AND RINGING FRESH IDEAS TO THE OFFICE OF THE SHERIFF.

RIGHT NEXT TO HIM IS SHERIFF RUSS MARTIN.

HE OVERLOOKS OUR OPERATIONS WHICH INCLUDES TRAINING AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS LIKE SWOT TEAM, DIVE TEAM, ALL OF THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS. HE BRINGS A PLETHORA OF INFORMATION FROM UP NORTH AND HE IS APPOINTED TO THE OFFICE OF SHERIFF. AND THEN PASTOR, I AM SO GLAD THAT I GET TO INTRODUCE PASTOR BRITTON WHICH WE DID WITH THE PROCLAMATION. THE PASTOR HAS JOINED THE SHERIFFOFFICE AS THE COMMUNITY LIAISON.

PASTOR BRITTON WILL BRING OU A HARD TIME LATER ON.

HE HAS BEEN IN THE AIR FORCE AND IS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELOR BY TRADE AND HE IS A PASTOR OF TWO CHURCHES IN AUGUSTINE. HE BRINGS TOGETHER THE LIAISON RELATIONSHIP THAT I HAVE COMMITTED TO YOU.

AT A MUCH HIGHER LEVEL. HE HAS JUST JOINED OUR STAFF THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. HE BRINGS ME DAILY TEXT MESSAGES OF WHAT WERE GOING TO DO TODAY.

IT'S EXACTLY WHAT MY VISION WAS.

AND CHAIR, COMMISSIONER A THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME INTRODUCE MYSELF AND MY STAFF AND THE COMMITMENT I MADE TO YOU IN THE VERY BEGINNING AS TAKING OVER SHERIFF IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE RESIDENCE AND PARTNERS THAT STAND BEHIND ME.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I HAVE THOSE TWO DIRECTORS HERE TODAY AND IT OPENED UP DEAL WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

>> CHAIRMAN: SHERIFF, WOULD YOUR TEAM LIKE TO ADDRESS US AS WELL? PASTOR BRITTON?

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU HAND IN GLOVE LIKE WE DID IN THE NATIONAL GUARD BUT ALSO AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AS WE GO THROUGH THE TRANSITION AND WE ARE MAKE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TIGHTER EVERY DAY WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY WITH FACILITIES AND WE ARE WORKING HAND IN GLOVE WITH THEM.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING BUSINESS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU SIR. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING US AGAIN IT IS TRULY AN HONOR TO STAND HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU ALL. I HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT TO DO WITH MOST OF YOU OVER THE YEARS.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU I KNOW QUITE WELL AND THEN THERE ARE SOME FAMILIAR FACES AS FAR AS RECENTLY BEING APPOINTED UP HERE. WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS YOU MIGHT HAVE. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY SO THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

BEING A NATIVE OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AND GRADUATING FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE HI AT 1978. I WENT INTO THE AIR FORCE AND IT GAVE ME A LOT OF DIVERSITY. CERTAINLY I AM A PROUD AFRICAN-AMERICAN FROM WEST SAINT AUGUSTINE.

SERVING IS WHAT MY WIFE AND I DO.

WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR THE LAST 38 YEARS.

NOT JUST WEST SAINT AUGUSTINE, THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

MY FAMILY CAME OUT FROM THE COUNTRY, I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH FROM YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS BUT I USED TO HANG OUT WITH THE RICH KIDS AT THE BEACH AS WELL AND THEN GO BACK TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND LET OUR PRESENCE KNOWN.

WHAT WE DO BEST IS TO SERVE AND BE A BRIDGE BUILDER.

NOT ONLY OF OUR FAITH BUT OUR FAMILY.

I'M GLAD TO BE PART OF THE SHERIFF'S TEAM AND WE ARE GOING TO BE LOYAL TO HIM AND HIS SERVICE AS WE DID TO OUR COUNTRY.AIM HIGH. THAT IS THE AIR FORCE MODEL.

ALL ARMY AND NAVY GUYS, BLESS YOU BUT IN THE MILITARY AND AIR FORCE WE AIM HIGH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU SIR. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS IN THE FUTURE OUR HOPES ARE TO BRING ATTENTION TO YOU AT THE FUTURE MEETINGS OR

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IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS WE WILL RETURN TO DUTY AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICES OF THE COUNTY.

>> CHAIRMAN: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WE DO A COMMENTS. SHERIFF, OBVIOUSLY HEARING FROM THESE THREE GENTLEMEN THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY LEADERS AND I AM HAPPY AND PROUD OF YOU FOR SELECTING THESE LEADERS FOR YOUR TEAM. I KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A GREAT RUN AND YOUR TEAM WILL HAVE A GREAT RUN.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU SHERIFF. AND, WE ARE ALSO HERE WITH THE

FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. JEREMY ROCK SHOT CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND FIRE RESCUE.

TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. SHERIFF HAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AND WONDERFUL TEAM HAD FROM THE FIRE AND RESCUE STANDPOINT WEARE BLESSED TO GO TO WORK WITH THEM.

MODEL OF SERVICE IS INCREDIBLE AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT IN PUBLIC SAFETY WE ALL WANT TO EXEMPLIFY.

FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STANDPOINT ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS HAPPENING WITH US RIGHT NOW IS THE VACCINE OPERATIONS GOING ON. I AM PROUD TO SAY OUR PERSONNEL HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS STARTING YESTERDAY. WE ARE INTO OUR SIX DAY A WEEK WITH ROUGHLY 600 TO 700 VACCINES PER DAY.

THANKFULLY THAT OPERATION IS ONGOING.

IT'S A LONG DAY NO DOUBT THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE EFFORT AND SUPPORT THAT THE BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION HAS PROVIDED TO THAT OPERATION. WE ARE MAKING A DENT AND THAT IS A GOOD THING. WE ARE STARTING TO MAKE A DENT IN THAT HIGH TARGET AND VULNERABLE OPERATIONS.

AS FAR AS THE AGENCIES THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIONS, YOURSELF AND THE OPERATIONS CENTER.

THINGS ARE MOVING WELL WITH THE PROCESS AND WE HOPE TO CONTINUE THAT. UNTIL OUR MISSION IS COMPLETED.

OTHER THAN THAT THAT IS THE PRIMARY THING HAPPENING WITH US NOW AND WE WILL ADDRESS THE ITEM LATER ON WHICH IS TO A POTENTIAL FIRE STATION LOCATION BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I

WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> CHAIRMAN: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. I APPRECIATE THE PROFESSIONALISM OF THE FIREFIGHTERS.

REALLY THE GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH YOUR TEAM HERE YOU GUYS WORK SO WELL TOGETHER AND REALLY PUBLIC SERVICE AND IN THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND COMMUNICATE THAT TO YOUR TEAM AS WELL.

[Consent Agenda]

ARE THERE ANY DELETIONS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO PULL TWO OF THEM AND PUT THEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

I WOULD LIKE TO PUT 13 AND 19 ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR DISCUSSION. I HAVE HAD A HANDFUL OF CONSTITUENTS CONTACT ME ON EACH ITEM AND REQUEST TO SPEAK.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS PERSONALLY I HAVE BEEN BRIEFED BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE SPEAK ON

THE ITEMS. >> CHAIRMAN: WILL MOVE TO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 13 TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10 AND CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 19 WILL BE MOVED TO NUMBER 11.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN

AMENDED. >> CHAIRMAN: A MOTION BY MR. DEAN AND MR. WHITEHURST. WE ARE GOING TO GET A SECOND.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY DEAN AND A SECOND BY WHITEHURST.

WE WILL OPEN IT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: WE WILL TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AMENDED CONSENT AGENDA. ON THE REMAINING ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY PHONE CALLS? ANY AUDIENCE COMMENTS FROM HERE

IN THE AUDITORIUM? >> SPEAKER: ON WHICH ITEM?

>> BOARD MEMBER: ON THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM 13 AND 19. ANY COMMENTS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? THEY HAVE BEEN MOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. OKAY.

PLEASE COME UP AND SPEAK, SIR. WE ARE NOT TAKING UP 13 OR 19.

IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, NAME AND ADDRESS SIR.

>> SPEAKER: MINE IS ON 11. THE SALE OF PROPERTY AT THE ST.

JOHN COUNTY GOLF COURSE. MY NAME IS KEN PHILLIPS.

MY WIFE AND I BUILT OUR HOME AND RESIDE AT THE ST. JOHN'S

COUNTY GOLF COURSE. >> BOARD MEMBER: MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE SPEAKER IS SPEAKING TO ITEM 13.

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>> CHAIRMAN: SIR, TO CLARIFY WE ARE GOING TO HEAR THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM HERE WE ARE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC

COMMENTS. >> SPEAKER: I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE. I THINK THE COMMISSIONER FOR RESPONDING TO MY EMAILS. I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU SIR. >> BOARD MEMBER: ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA MAXING AND THEN WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS. I HAVE A CALL APPARENTLY DO I HAVE A CALL? A CALL IN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO.

WE ARE DONE. >> CHAIRMAN: PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED REAL EMOTION FROM MR. DEAN TO AMEND AND A SECOND BY WHITEHURST. LEE'S VOTE.

I PASS THIS BY VOTE. THANK YOU.

[Regular Agenda]

>> BOARD MEMBER: NOT AS AMENDED.

>> CHAIRMAN: MR. DEAN? >> BOARD MEMBER: NONE OTHER THAN 13 AND 19 WE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF.

>> CHAIRMAN: IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REGULAR AGENDA?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I MOVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS AMENDED.

>> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: A MOTION BY MR.

DEAN AND A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. >> BOARD MEMBER: APE COMMENT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA? PUBLIC, ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE? ANYONE CALLING IN GMAC THAT

COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE IS NO

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHAIRMAN: PUBLIC, IS CLOSE WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DEAN AND SECOND BY SMITH.

[1. South Collins Ave. Drainage Presentation.]

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING MR. CHAIR MR. COMMISSIONERS.

HOW IS EVERYONE DOING TODAY? COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS GREAT CALDWELL I AM THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND WERE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOUTH COLLINS AND THE DRAINAGE GOING ON IN THIS ROADWAY. BACK IN DECEMBER 2020 THE BOARD GAVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THE AREA TO DETERMINE THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEMS AND TO IDENTIFY AND LOOK AT ANY LEGAL RECOURSE THAT MAY OCCUR AND THAT'S WE DID COMMISSIONERS. WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THIS AND WE MET WITH THE COUNTY LEGAL DEPARTMENT, COUNTY BOTH PMANAGEMENT AND ADMIN AND PUBLI WORKS TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY IS AWARE BUT I WILL GIVE A BACKGROUND. SOUTH COLLINS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AT THE BOARD MEETINGS.

THERE BEEN ONGOING CONCERNS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ALONG SOUTH COLLINS TO THE WESTGATE PLAZA AS WELL AS ONGOING DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THE AREA. THERE ARE A FEW SEPARATE ISSUES WE WILL ADDRESS TODAY.NE IS LOOKING AT THE WESTGATE PLAZA AND THE IMPACT AND HOW WE CAN MITIGATE AGAINST IT IF ANYTHING AS WELL AS DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTH COLLINS AND LAWRENCE AVENUE. HERE ARE SOME KEY PLAYERS THAT ARE A PART OF THIS OVERALL PROCESS.

WE HAVE THE JOHN COUNTY GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT WHO OVERSEES AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING MEETS ELEMENT CODE.

THAT IS WHAT WESTGATE PLAZA WENT THROUGH.

AT THAT POINT THEY REVIEWED THE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE. ST. JOHN'S COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS MAINTAIN ANYTHING THAT IS CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THESE NEW PERMITS OR MAINTAIN THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. ASH PROPERTIES HAS REPRESENTATIVES IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY.THEY WERE THE OWNER AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE WESTGATE PLAZA.E ALSO HAVE THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DID THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN LAWRENCE AVENUE AND SOUTH COLLINS AND WE WILL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT AS WELL AS THE DOT. ULTIMATELY ALL THE DRAINAGE IN THIS AREA FLOWS INTO THE DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG HIGHWAY 16 MOVES NORTH AND MOVES OUT TO WHITE HOUSE BRANCH.

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WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH THE CITIZENS DURING THE PAST FEW MONTHS SPECIFICALLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES TO ADDRESS THE AREA AND I AM AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING ON A DAILY BASIS.

THIS MAP, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS MAP AND I THINK EVERYONE HAS IT IN FRONT OF THEM. COMMISSIONERS THIS IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO REFER BACK TO WITH THE NUMBERS OF POSSIBLE IMPROVEMENTS FOR CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DURING THIS PROCESS. AS I SAID EARLIER THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES UP ON ITEMS 1A, 1B AND 1C ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT AREA AS WELL AS 2A, 2B AND 2C.

LET'S JUMP INTO IT.HESE WERE DEVELOPED WITH THE LAND CODE WE LOOKED AT IT WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND LAND GROWTH DEPARTMENT. WE FEEL THAT THEY DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED TO SPUR ALL CODES REQUIRED.

WITH THAT BEING SAID WE HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT TO ASH PROPERTIES THE OWNER OF WESTGATE PLAZA AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT INSTALLING WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A SPEEDBUMP THAT WILL HELP WITH TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. IT WILL MAINTAIN AND KEEP ALL DRAINAGE WITHIN THE WESTGATE PLAZA PROPERTY LIMIT.

AS WELL AS WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT ISSUES AND ONGOING CONVERSATIONS OF TRUCK TRAFFIC LEAVING THIS SITE.

HOPEFULLY THAT BECOMES A DETERRENT AND ATROPHIC FEATURE.

WE REACHED OUT TO ASH PROPERTIES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THEY INSTALLED THE SPEEDBUMP YESTERDAY.

I THINK THEY FINISHED IT UP YESTERDAY AND THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIOS THAT CAN HELP WITH THAT.

ITEM 1B WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE WALKING THE SITE FELT LIKE PTHERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR U TO IMPROVE AND INCREASE THE SWALE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON WEST COLLINS.

THIS INLET WOULD NOT TAKE ANY CHANGES OR MODIFICATION TO IT BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT IN A SWALE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, 8 TO 12 INCHES DEEP, WIDEN IT OUT AND GIVE IT SUPPLEMENTAL STORAGE CAPACITY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PIPE.

IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME LANDSCAPE TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE.

WE CAN HAVE OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT GO OUT THERE AND IT WILL BE A MINIMAL COST AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO THE AREA. IT IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT. THE LAST ONE WITH WESTGATE PLAZA IS LOOKING AT THE DOT AND THE EXISTING PIPE THAT FLOWS OUTSIDE OF THE INLET THAT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE ROAD 16 AND SOUTH COLLINS.

THERE ARE TWO PIPES ONE PARALLELS AND COMES UP ON SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE AND THEN WHEN THAT CROSSES WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY ON STATE ROAD 16. WE FEEL LIKE IF WE CAN UPSIZE THIS AND WORK WITH THE DOT TO INCREASE IT TO A 24 OR 30 INCH WE HOPE IT WILL IMPROVE THE DURATION OF STORM ADVANCE.

IT DOES REQUIRE A DOT PERMIT JUST LIKE THE WESTGATE PLAZA WAS REQUIRED TO HAVE A DOT PERMIT WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOMETHING IF DIRECTION PROVIDED TODAY WE WILL PROCEED WITH GETTING OUR ENGINEER TO START LOOKING AT THE MODELING EFFORT THAT GOES INTO THAT PERMIT PROCESS. THAT TAKES CARE OF ITEM NUMBER ONE REGARDING THE WESTGATE PLAZA AND WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE. WE SHIFT BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE GOOD FIRST ONE IS WALKING THE SITE WITH THE RESIDENCE THERE IS A REALLY CONFINED SPACE ON THE WEST SIDE OF LAWRENCE AVENUE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM. WE FEEL IF WE INSTALL A DITCH, CULVERTS AND SOME KIND OF CONVEYANCE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS IT TO POP OFF INTO THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM IT WILL HELP THE AREA AS WELL. AND THE ST. JOHN COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS WILL BE A MINIMAL COST.

IT WILL BE A VERY GOOD RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT TYING INTO THE DITCH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LAWRENCE AVENUE OR THE DITCH THAT RUNS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE SOUTH COLLINS NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SECOND OPTION IS LOOKING AT

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THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET A PERMIT BUT WE FEEL LIKE THIS WOULD BE A POSITIVE FUTURE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE LAST ONE IS THE OUTFALL DITCH ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY OF SOUTH COLLINS NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE CHURCH IS PROPERTY.

THIS CAME TO OUR ATTENTION FROM A CROWD COMPLAINT.

ONCE WE INVESTIGATED WE RECEIVED AND GOT THE DEP INVOLVED TO GO OUT THERE AND WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO REESTABLISH THE SWALE ALONG THE WESTERN PORTION OF HIS PROPERTY. THE DEP LOOKS AT THE WETLAND IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CONCERNS WITH THE DEP AND IT IS NOW IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THEM BUT WE FEEL THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GO OUT AND WORK WITH THIS INDIVIDUAL. COMMISSIONERS I MET WITH HIM TWICE SO FAR AND HE IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND PROVIDE EASEMENTS, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENTS AND EVEN DISSIPATE IN SOME IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE MONETARILY.

WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TODAY IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION.

RIGHT NOW ST. JOHN COUNTY HAS AN EASEMENT FROM THE CHURCH PROPERTY TO MAINTAIN THE SWALE NORTH OF LAWRENCE AND SOUTH OF SOUTH COLLINS. IF WE COULD WORK WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND OBTAIN AN EASEMENT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT DITCH ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND ENSURE THAT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY HAS CONTROL OF THAT FLOW OF THE PROPERTY.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM BASED ON THE CONVERSATION TODAY. THERE ARE ALSO A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT THE BOARD GOT TO OUR ATTENTION.

FIRST IS LOOKING DOWNSTREAM TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO IMPEDIMENTS ON THE DRAINAGE FLOW.

THE COUNTY HAS REACH OUT TO THE DOT AND WE HAVE MAINTAIN THIS ALONG THE OUTFALL AND 1ST STREET WHICH ULTIMATELY EVERYTHING FLOWS OUT THERE AND IT IS IN GOOD WORKING ORDER RIGHT NOW. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD.

AS WELL AS YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO OTHER OPTIONS TO REDIRECT THE WATER POSSIBLY TYING INTO THE SAINT AUGUSTINE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY WILL YIELD A BETTER BENEFIT FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TIE INTO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY AS WELL AS WORKING WITH PERMITS AND ALL OF THAT GETS CUMBERSOME WHEN WE HAVE A DIRECT OUTFLOW TO STATE ROAD 16 AND TO THE RANCH. COMMISSIONERS, WHAT WE CAME TO TODAY AND THE MAP SHOWS THAT WE HAVE SIX DIFFERENT ITEMS. FOUR OF THESE ITEMS ARE ST. JOHN COUNTY ITEMS, TO OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS THE REQUEST THE PROPERTY OWNER TO INSTALL A SPEED BUMP AT THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION WHICH ASH PROPERTIES HAS ALREADY DONE.

THAT IS AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE AND ON THE PROPERTY SO NO MAINTENANCE FOR ST. JOHN COUNTY BUT HOPEFULLY PROVIDES A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. THE SECOND ONE IS ENHANCE THE SWALE FROM THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH COLLINS.

THAT IS SOMETHING AGAIN A MINIMAL COST BUT WE FEEL LIKE IT WILL PROVIDE SOME GOOD RELIEF.

THEN UPSIZING THE EXISTING PIPE WITHIN THE DOT RIGHT-OF-WAY.

THAT IS A COST. THERE IS DESIGN EFFORT AND CONSTRUCTION THAT WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.

WE WOULD WORK WITH OUR OWN INTERNAL ENGINEER TEAM AND GET THAT UP AND RUNNING. THEN WE GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS.

INSTALL DITCHES AND CULVERTS ALONG LAWRENCE AVENUE.

AGAIN WE WILL LOOK AT THAT BASED ON THE DIRECTION TODAY TO SEE WHAT THE BEST CONNECTION IS IF IT'S TO THE WEST OR NORTH AND THEN LOOK AT THE SIGNING AND INSTALLING INLETS ALONG THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON FRONT STREET AND B&S.

THEN WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ON SOUTH LAWRENCE TO TRY TO ACQUIRE AN EASEMENT SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR EXPANSION OR IMPROVEMENT FOR THE SWALE.

THOSE ARE THE SIX THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TO TALK ABOUT. I DO WANT TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE

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WE DO HAVE MONEY IN THE CURRENT BUDGET TO PROVIDE AND CONSTRUCT AND ASSIGN EVERYTHING EASY IN FRONT OF YOU.

THIS IS APPROXIMATELY AROUND $100,000 IS WHAT WE EXPECT TO SPEND IN THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SAW.

AGAIN NOT ASKING FOR MONEY BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT OUR BUDGET CAN HANDLE THE IMPROVEMENTS WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE TOTAL COST. WE STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH PERMITTING AND DESIGN THAT THAT'S WHERE OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR RIGHT NOW. THEN, WE WANT TO BRING BACK UP THE MAP FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD MAY

HAVE. >> CHAIRMAN: THIS IS A PRESENTATION ITEM. LET'S SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND THEN I WANT TO OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> BOARD MEMBER: AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE THREE MINUTES.

>> SPEAKER: HELLO MY NAME IS TIFFANY SCOTT I LIVE AT 2732 S.

COLLINS AVENUE. I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY THINKING COUNTY WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY AND WITHIN THEIR MEANS.

I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE LIMITED CRUISE AND LARGE TERRITORIES.

WE ARE THANKFUL FOR THE WESTGATE PLAZA FOR PUTTING IN THAT SPEED BUMP. PEOPLE BLOW THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN ENTRANCE. IT IS A CONSTANT WORRY FOR THE FAMILIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR ANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE WALKING BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING THROUGH THAT ENTRANCE THEY ARE NOT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND THEY AREN'T LOOKING OUT FOR ANYBODY.

THAT BEING SAID THAT SPEED BUMP TO KEEP THE WATER FROM FLOWING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A JOKE.

IT'S NOT GOING TO PREVENT ANYTHING ON A STRONG FLORIDA THUNDERSTORM. THAT IS STILL COMING THROUGH.

THROUGH. IT IS A MULTITUDE OF BANDAGES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH FROM THE BEGINNING WITH THIS WHOLE FIGHT WITH WESTGATE PLAZA FROM THE GET-GO.

MY FATHER BOUGHT THIS HOME AND THE PROPERTY YEARS AGO.E TOOK PRIDE OF HIS HOME AND IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HELPING BUILD THE COMMUNITY. HE GREW UP WITH SOME OF THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE DIED HE PASSED HIS HOME ONTO ME AS A PROMISE THAT I WOULD LEAVE IT TO MY CHILDREN.

THREE GENERATIONS HAVE LIVED AT THIS PROPERTY.

I HAVE PLAYED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NOW MY CHILDREN PLAY HERE. YOU WILL FIND THAT A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS AND A LOT OF THE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE MULTI GENERATIONAL WITH GOOD FAMILY LOVING FULL WHO HAVE WORKED HARD FOR WHAT THEY HAVE AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY STOOD BEFORE YOU WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN OUR COMMUNITY FIGHTING THE WESTGATE PLAZA WHO CURRENTLY ONLY CARE ABOUT PROFIT. THIS IS A FIGHT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE WESTGATE PLAZA, WE DON'T MATTER TO THEM.

ONLY PROFITS MATTER. WE ARE LOCATED AT THE SECOND-HIGHEST ELEVATION OF THE COUNTY.

BEFORE THE PLAZA WE DIDN'T HAVE ISSUES WITH FLOODING.

WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES OF SANDIA WATER.

B&S SIGNS HAVE STOOD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE 1978 AND HAVE HAD NO FLOODING SINCE RECENT YEARS.

WE HAVE HEARD THE EXCUSE OF THE LUNAR TIDES BUT WE HAVE NEVER HAD FLOODING FROM ANY PREVIOUS LUNAR TIDES AND IF ARE GOING TO USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE DON'T WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUES TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? OUR DITCH THE ONES THAT RESIDES WHERE THE PLAZA ENTRANCE IS USED TO HOLD 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER.

NOW THERE IS A PIPE THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN THAT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: CAN YOU WRAP IT UP MA'AM.

YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. >> SPEAKER: OH GOSH, YES.

WESTGATE PLAZA SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE TO PAY FOR THIS.

IT SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN OUT OF TAXPAYER MONEY.

IT SHOULD NOT COME FROM DOT OR THE COUNTY BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT UPON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEMSELVES. THEY DON'T LIVE.

ERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: MA'AM, WE CANNOT GIVE YOU MORE THAN THREE MINUTES.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE MESSAGE. >> CHAIRMAN: IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE?

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>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER.

2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE, SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA.

I KNOW THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OF WHAT GRADE PRESENTED TO YOU. IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER IF YOU WANT TO PULL THE KEY MAP AFTER MY THREE MINUTES IS UP.

OKAY. THIS RIGHT HERE, IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE KEY WHERE THE COUNTY WANTS TO PUT THE WATER FROM THE SIGN IN. YOU CAN SEE IT GOES ACROSS THE DITCH, ACROSS THE STREET AND RUNNING ALONGSIDE SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE. RIGHT HERE IS THE DITCH.

HERE IS THE WATER COMING OUT OF IT.

OKAY? THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHERE OUR WATER USED TOGO. TWO STATE ROAD 16.

THIS WAS BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PIPE.

AND CONTRARY TO A 12 OR 16 INCH RETENTION WHATEVER HE CALLED IT, ISN'T GOING TO HOLD 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER.

RIGHT NOW 266 CUBIC YARDS OF WATER IT IS GOING INTO A 19 CUBIC YARD PIPE. NO MATTER WHAT BAND-AIDS THE COUNTY TRIES TO PUT ON THIS, THIS WATER IS STILL GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE. OKAY? THIS SHOWS YOU THE MAIN PROBLEM.

DO YOU SEE THIS 18 INCH CULVERT? AFTER THE 18 INCH CULVERT THAT IS WHERE THE TUBE IS ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE ROAD. THIS WAS APPROVED.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THEIR 20 FOOT BUFFER.

IN 2009 I GAVE Y'ALL A LETTER WHERE WE WENT BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSION. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A NATURALLY LANDSCAPED BUFFER ON THE BACK END.

IT WAS FULL OF TRASH CANS, GAS PIPES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

OKAY? THEY WERE ALLOWED THAT.

THIS IS THE NEIGHBOR GOING INTO BEEN CARS SIGN.

AND THIS IS WHERE GREG PROPOSED THAT THE PIPE GO UNDERNEATH AND COME INTO THIS DITCH. GENTLEMEN PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO BUY THIS. THIS IS TOO MUCH WATER.

266 CUBIC YARDS THAT USED TO GO INTO ONE DITCH.

THIS RIGHT HERE INCREASING FLOODING WOES, OCEAN WALK RESIDENTS SAY THE CITY PIPE PROJECT BECAUSE THE FLOODING.

WE WERE ALSO TOLD BY COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT IT WOULDN'T MATTER BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T GOING TO SUE THE DEVELOPER TO FIX THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE, OKAY WE'LL IF YOU DON'T.

IF YOU DO NOT, IF YOU LET THIS DEVELOPER GET AWAY WITH NOT HAVING HIS 15 FOOT OFFER YOU ARE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENCE EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNTY NOT TO STAY WITHIN THE GUIDELINES AND THE BUFFERS THAT THE COUNTY APPROVED FOUR.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS

MATTER WILL HEAD SIR. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JAMES BAKER AND I AM THE OWNER OF PROPERTY PAUL WALDRON ON THE MAP THAT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT 2A.

RIGHT NOW IT SUGGESTS THAT THERE IT IS GOING TO BE A CULVERT OR A DITCH. HAVE BEEN DRIVING FROM LAWRENCE AVENUE TO MY PROPERTY FROM THAT AREA.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WILL HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE SAME IF A DITCH OR CULVERT IS PLACED AND WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY FOR IT. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ROAD AND BRIDGE DEPARTMENT ON THE EASEMENT AND TRYING TO PROVIDE FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO IMPROVE THE DITCH AROUND MY PROPERTY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I STILL HAVE ACCESS FROM LAWRENCE AVENUE TO MY PROPERTY.

THAT IS IT. THANK YOU.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU SIR. NEXT SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM 1? YES MA'AM.

>> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS ALLISON ROSE AND I LIVE AT 561 LAWRENCE AVENUE. FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT FOR DEP FOR ALLOW SOMEONE TO COME IN AND FILL IN A DITCH INTO A WETLAND IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN

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I JUST TOLD HIM THAT THIS MORNING.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM ONE YES MA'AM? NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

>> SPEAKER: SHARON BADGER 2725 S. COLLINS.

THAT CATCH BASIN THAT USED TO BE OUT ON THE CORNER OF 16TH, IF I STOOD THERE I COULD NOT TOUCH THE TOP AND I COULD NOT TOUCH THE WALLS BECAUSE I WALK THROUGH IT BEFORE THEY EVER PUT IT IN. THEY REDUCED IT TO A LITTLE FOUR FOOT BY FOUR FOOT LOOKING THING AND IT USED TO HAVE A 16 FOOT RAID ON IT AND THEY FILLED IN THE WHOLE HALF OF THE DITCH THAT WAS A SIX FOOT WIDE BY FOUR FOOT DITCH AND THE WATER WILL NOT GO INTO AN 18 INCH PIPE.

IT NEEDS A FOUR FOOT PIPE. AND AS FOR MR. BAKER, MR. BAKER HAS DRUGGED UP THIS THING THAT LOOKS LIKE A SHED ON FOUR WHEELS AND A TONGUE TO PULL IT DOWN THE ROAD.

TO ME THAT IS A TRAILER. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE MOBILE HOMES ANYMORE OR ANY TINY HOUSES IN ST. JOHN COUNTY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. HE CAME IN THERE AND FILLED THE DITCH IN THAT IT IS GRADUALLY GOING OUT TO 16 BECAUSE OF HIS COQUINA IS WATCHING AWAY. AND HE WAS ASKED TO PUT A PORTA POTTY IN THERE AND HE DID BUT HE IS STILL GOING IN THE WOODS TO RELIEVE HIMSELF BECAUSE HE DOESN'T KNOW NO MATTER HOW MUCH HE DOESN'T GO IN IT THEY CHARGE HIM A CLEANING FEE ONCE A WEEK.

THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU MA'AM. PUBLIC COMMENT?

ITEM ONE? >> SPEAKER: MY NAME IS MICHAEL CARR AND I OWN THE PROPERTY AT B&S SIGNS.

WE BOUGHT THIS BUILDING IN 1925 AND THE PROPERTY HAS NEVER BEEN FLOODED WITH WATER UNTIL THE PROPERTY AT WESTGATE PLAZA.

AND, THAT DITCH FOR THE DRAINAGE TO GO OUT TO THE 16 I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DRAINAGE IS THE SAME BUT THE STORAGE THAT THIS HELD IS NO LONGER THERE. I HAVE BEEN FLOODED TWICE SINCE THE DRIVEWAY HAS BEEN PUT IN GOOD WHEN THE WATER IS COMING OFF THEIR PROPERTY OFF THE DRIVEWAY COMING ACROSS SOUTH COLLINS AND THEN BACK UP INTO MY SHOP.

I FEEL LIKE THE STORAGE OF THE WATER FROM THAT DITCH NEEDS TO BE REPLACED SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FLOODING ANYMORE.

THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU SIR.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ITEM ONE.

BJ IS COMING UP TO THE CONTROL ROOM AND I DON'T SEE ANY CALL SO I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE ARE NO CALLS YES MA'AM,

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: BJ LADY WEST CITY SAINT AUGUSTINE. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TRULY EFFECTIVE, THE NEIGHBORS.

IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THIS IT IS GOING TO FIX WHAT THEY WANT TO FIX OUT THERE. I HOPE THERE ARE NO CALLS AFTER ME. IT SEEMS THAT IT'S NOT JUST ASH PROPERTIES WHO IS FIGHTING IT IS NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PUT IN OUT THERE AND I THINK BECAUSE OF THESE ÃI THINK BECAUSE THESE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE AN ATTORNEY TO COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THEM WE ARE GOING TO LET THIS DEVELOPER DO WHAT HE DID AND NOT CARE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE AND JUST FOR THE INFORMATION THIS IS THE SAME ASH PROPERTIES THAT TILT THE STORAGE ON 312 THE NORTHWEST ENTRANCE OF THEIR OFFER OF 312 THE DEVELOPER HAS ATTORNEYS AND THEY CAN COME IN HERE AND SPEAK AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THEN THE RESULT IS WE HAVE FLOODING AND THE RESULT IS NEIGHBORS, INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO TAKE OFF TIME FROM THEIR JOB

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MR. ASH, HE IS SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE.

LET HIM GET UP HERE TO SAY WHAT HE WILL DO TO FIX WHAT HE STARTED PIT HE DOESN'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY BUT HE DID THE WHAT YOU CALL IT, THE HUMP THING GOOD OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE THINKS THE HUMP THING WON'T WORK.

IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'VE LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE SINCE DECEMBER RINGING IN THE PICTURES AND BEING UPSET AND CUTTING THEM OFF IN THREE MINUTES BECAUSE WE GOT TO MOVE ALONG. WELL, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO MOVE ALONG UNTIL THE FLOODING OVER THERE IS STOP? THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND $100,000 IS IT GOING TO FIX IT OR IS IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX IT AND THEN THEY WE WILL BE BACK? THEY WE WILL BE BACK UNLESS THEY DIE. THIS IS THEIR HOME.

THEY CARE ENOUGH ABOUT THEIR HOME LIKE EACH ONE OF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR HOMES. SO FIX THIS THING AND FIX IT FOR ONCE AND DON'T LET US KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT THIS THING.

YOU CAN TALK FROM NOW UNTIL DOOMSDAY.

UNLESS YOU FIX IT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIXED.

A SIMPLE. MONEY IS NOT THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE RESERVES AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING MR. BLOCKER.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. I NOW SEE ONE CALL.

IS THERE A CALL WAITING? NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. ED SLAVEN.

FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONERS FOR THE ATTENTION YOU HAVE PAID AND I WANT TO THANK SHERRY BADGER BECAUSE FOR 18 MONTHS SHE HAD TO COME BACK TO COUNTY COMMISSION, EVERY MEETING AND TALK ABOUT THIS AND BRING PICTURES AND FINALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN TO NON-AGENDA ITEMS SHE WAS ABLE TO GET Y'ALL TO DO SOMETHING.

I WAS OUT THERE WITH MISS BADGER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO LOOKING AT THE SITE. I HAVE TALKED TO THE DOT INSPECTOR GENERAL. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE HEARD AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF THE SPEAKERS.

EVERY SINGLE ONE SO FAR. I GUESS WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPER, THE PROPERTY OWNER BUT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY? WHO ARE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS? WHO PROFITS FROM THIS? I THINK WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW UNDER THE KNOW YOUR CUSTOMER RULE.

THEN I UNDERSTAND FROM PRIOR TESTIMONY AT THESE MEETINGS IS THAT THE COUNTY ENGINEER AT ONETIME WHO APPROVED THIS WORK WASN'T EVEN AN ENGINEER. WE NEED AN INSPECTOR GENERAL INVESTIGATION. I THOUGHT THE DOT AND THE ALLEGED CLERKS AND COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.

MOST IMPORTANTLY NEED TO LISTEN TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY ARE TELLING US THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK WE NEED ACTUAL WORK FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT AND NOT WHAT THEY WOULD CALL THE NASA SPACE CENTER WARM FUZZIES.

YOU GOT A BUNCH OF WARM FUZZIES.

WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE THEM AND GLAD YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION BUT THIS ISN'T ENOUGH YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENGINEERING PLANS AND A HYDROLOGIST. MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, HOW MANY PHD'S CAN WE HAVE AT THE WATER DISTRICT?900? CAN WE GET THEM OVER HERE AND CAN WE GET PEOPLE WHO ARE QUALIFIED ON THESE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT IN ST. JOHN COUNTY RIGHT NOW 31, 32 DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH PERENNIAL FLOODING BECAUSE WE LET THE DEVELOPERS DO ANYTHING THEY WANT IN THE COUNTY COMMISSIONS IN THE PAST AS CORRUPT AS THEY WERE WOULD RUBBERSTAMP ANYTHING A DEVELOPER WOULD WANT TO DO. I STILL WANT TO KNOW, WHO OWNS THIS PROPERTY? WHO ARE THE BENEFICIAL OWNERS AND WHERE ARE THEIR LAWYERS WHY AREN'T THEY THERE AND WHY AREN'T WE SUING THEM? WHY WAS IT IMMEDIATELY TAKEN OFF THE TABLE BY FRANCIS MCCORMICK OUR INEPT COUNTY ATTORNEY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO STAND UP FOR ANYBODY'S RIGHTS WHETHER IT IS MICHELLE O'CONNELL THE GIRL WHO WAS

KILLED OR ANYBODY ELSE. >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT RULES.

>> SPEAKER: I BEG YOUR PARDON, YOU INTERRUPTED ME.

DON'T TELL ME. MR. WHITEHURST THAT IS RUDE.

YOU NEVER EVEN RETURNED A SINGLE PHONE CALL FROM ME AND YOU WERE SUPPORTED BY THE SHERIFF AND ALL OF HIS CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS. THAT WAS INAPT FOR HIM TO INTERRUPT. THIS RESULTS IN FLOODING OF NEIGHBORHOODS! WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT! AND NOT PUTTING LIPSTICK ON A PIG AND NOT BEING SO DISRESPECTFUL TO NEIGHBORS DO NOT HAVE ACTUAL ENGINEERING WORK. .

I WENT TO A CONFERENCE OVER THE WEEKEND FOR ENVIRONMENTAL

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ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU SIR.

I DON'T SEE ANY FURTHER CALLS IS THERE ANY OTHER CALLERS? GOING ONCE? I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER CALLS.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE IN THE AUDITORIUM? I THINK THAT COMPLETELY PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS POINT IT'S DOING THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR AND MR. CALDWELL I WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE RESDENTS.

>> SPEAKER: LET'S ADDRESS THE SPEED BUMP.

THERE IS A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WATER COMES OUT THROUGH THIS DRIVEWAY DURING STORMS. I HAVE GONE OUT MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF WATER.

I THINK THE SPEEDBUMP WILL ADHERE AND DIVERT THAT BACK INTO THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS OFFER OTHER BENEFITS TO THE OVERALL COMMUNITY TRAVELING MEASURES.

IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE INLET AT STATE ROAD 16 AND SOUTH COLLINS, LOOKING BACK ON OLD SURVEYS THERE WAS AN 18 INCH PIPE THAT WAS DUBBED OUT ON SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE AND THAT WAS PLACED BACK AND I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WENT AHEAD WITH THAT SIGN AND ALLOWED THROUGH THE DOT PERMITTING PROCESS BUT THERE WAS AN 18 INCH PIPE THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH COLLINS. IT WAS A SMALL SECTION THAT CAME DOWN. REGARDING SOME OF THE OTHER DRAINAGE IN THE AREA, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS OUT OF IT.

I WAS ON SITE THIS PAST WEEKEND DURING THE RAIN EVENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE TELLING YOU TODAY, WHAT I WAS OBSERVING WITH ALL THE RAIN EVENTS THAT I SAW THIS WEEKEND I WAS ON SITE ON SUNDAY AT 3:45 HAD SERIOUS DOWNPOURS DURING THE DAY.

TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD SEE THE FLOW PATTERN.

AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT APPEARED THAT EVERYTHING WAS FLOWING PROPERLY AT THAT TIME. I DIDN'T SEE ANY FLOODING OCCURRING AND I DID SEE THE DRAINAGE HAPPEN PROPERLY.

IF WE DO THESE ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT BUT WE WILL GO THROUGH AND DESIGN A PERMANENT COMPONENT OF THE HENRY DEAN PROPOSAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU SAW IN FRONT OF US. WE FEEL THAT THE SWALE ALONG SOUTH COLLINS BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND INLET IS SOMETHING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH QUICKLY WITH INTERNAL FORCES BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD GO THROUGH A LEVEL OF THOSE LINES.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MR. CALDWELL. > ASKED PROPERTIES THAN

EVERYTHING BY THE LAW? >> SPEAKER: A POLICE OFFICER.

>> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT DISTURBS ME IS THAT THEY SAY THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO FLOODING SINCE THIS DRIVEWAY WAS INSTALLED.

IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH ST. JOHN COUNTY CODE THAT HAS CREATED THIS FLOODING IN THIS AREA? IF THE ENGINEER HAS COMPLIED THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A PROBLEM APPEARED MY CONCERN IS WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM?

>> SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY OPINION.

99 PERCENT OF THE TIME THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT. IT DOES NOT IMPACT THE RESIDENCE. THIS AREA THERE HAVE BEEN CERTAIN STORM EVENTS, THEY HAVE HAD FLOODING OCCURRED IN SOUTH COLLINS AND I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT AND I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENTS REGARDING THAT. I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LUNAR TIDE AND KING TIDE THAT HAPPENED IN SEPTEMBER BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT MR. CARTER IS REFERRING TO AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SECOND ONE BUT THERE WAS SOME MAJOR ISSUES ALL THE WAY DOWNSTREAM OF THIS AREA SHOULD AT LEAST WITH THAT ONE MOMENT IN TIME.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER TIMES HE RECEIVED FLOODING BUT IF ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, THAT WAS A MAJOR IMPACT COUNTYWIDE.

IT WASN'T JUST ISOLATED TO SOUTH COLLINS.

>> CHAIRMAN: I WILL TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO THE REST OF THE BOARD AND COMMUNITY I AM FOR WHATEVER IT TAKES TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION. AND I SAY THAT I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT A REMEDY OF THE FLOODING AT THIS POINT.

IF THERE IS A DEEPER ROOTED PROBLEM WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT.F I AM FOR EACH OF THESE SIX ITEMS THAT WE ARE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL IN RELIEVING THE PROBLEM, I HOPE IT WILL HAPPEN. IF IT DOESN'T IF THERE IS ANOTHER OPTION THAT CAN BE DONE TO REMEDY THE SITUATION.

>> SPEAKER: SR. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU CAN BE DONE BY YOURSELF AND IT COULD BE IMPROVING THE ENTIRE AREA.

IT DOES NOT RELINQUISH US FROM DOING ANYTHING ADDITIONAL IN THE FUTURE. IF WE FEEL THAT ADDITIONAL PIPE SIZING NEEDS TO BE DONE WE WILL PROPOSE IT AND WE WILL BENEFIT

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>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU PAID MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD SAY WE MOVE FORWARD AND TRY TO EXPEDITE SOME REMEDY HERE.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MR. SMITH.

MR. WALDRON? >> BOARD MEMBER: MR. CALDWELL, ONE QUESTION WE HAVE I KNOW PTHEY FILED A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BUT HAS THE ENGINEER DONE THE CALCULATIONS?

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: HAVE WE CHECKED HIS CALCULATIONS TO SEE IF HE WAS WRONG?

>> SPEAKER: I WILL HAVE HIM TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: APPARENTLY WHAT HE ID IS NOT WORKING

GOOD. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

DIX IS A, YES SIR. DID REVIEW HIS DOCUMENTS NOT ONLY DID WE READ THEM WHEN THEY CAME IN WERE PERMITTING BUT WE SUBSEQUENTLY REVIEWED THEM NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT A NUMBER OF ENGINEERS AT PUBLIC WORKS HAVE REVIEWED IT AND FOUND THAT HIS CALCULATIONS WERE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE DOT AND THE ST. JOHN COUNTY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF FLOWS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THAT CODE

WHICH IS A 10 YEAR RETURN.. >> BOARD MEMBER: ON ACCOUNT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE APPARENTLY IT DID NOT WORK.

THE WATER, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SWALE BIGGER SO TO ME IT IS ON THE ENGINEER TO MAKE THE CALCULATIONS PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TELLS THEM WHAT TO DO BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE THE CALCULATIONS. I AM ALL FOR GETTING THIS GOING AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO GET THIS RECTIFIED.

BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT WORKING IN THE FUTURE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ANOTHER PLAN. WE NEED TO GO LOOK AT THE RANCH AS IT TURNS TOWARDS THE DRIVE AND MAKE SURE, IF THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE IF THERE IS ANY IMPEACHMENT THAT WAY, TOO. AND WE MAKE SURE WE GET THE SIGNS ON THERE THAT SAYS NO TRUCKS AND WHAT THE FINES ARE SO SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THAT HAS BEEN ANOTHER CONCERN FROM THE RESIDENCE. IT FOR RIGHT NOW.

>> CHAIRMAN: I WILL MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW THE PUD LANGUAGE OF NO TRUCKS. MR. CALDWELL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. THIS MORNING THE OPTIONS ARE A TRAFFIC SPEEDBUMP. I AM AN ATTORNEY I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. HE EXPLAINED TO ME HOW WOULD A SPEEDBUMP HELP ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM?

>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE TWO ISSUES AT HAND WITH A SPEEDBUMP TO THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THERE IS A LITTLE IN THE PAVEMENT THAT WAS ALLOWING SOME WATER TO ESCAPE FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND BY PLACING THE SPEEDBUMP IT WILL DIVERT THE WATER THAT WAS EXITING THE SITE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE WESTGATE PLAZA AND DIRECT IT BACK INTO THE INLET WITHIN THE AREA.

AS WELL AS, YOU HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST FOR THE TRUCK TRAFFIC LEAVING THE SITE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR THE CITIZENS.

WE FEEL THAT PUTTING A SPEED BUMP IN IS A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE THAT WOULD DIVERT SOME OF THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC.

>> CHAIRMAN: SURE. THAT IS STILL CONFUSING TO ME.

>> SPEAKER: FOR THE WATER IT ACTS AS A GUTTER OR A CURB AND DEFERS THE WATER BACK INTO THE SITE INSTEAD OF LETTING IT

RELEASE OUTSIDE. >> CHAIRMAN: I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID WE WANT TO RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND ON OUR STAFF AND OUR COUNTY TO ADDRESS THIS.

THESE RESIDENTS HAVE SUFFERED LONG ENOUGH.

THEY COME APPEAR THEY TAKE THE TIME OFF TO RAISE THIS ISSUE YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND MR. SMITH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. I WILL CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT MOTION AND I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER DEAN TO HEAR HIM MOTION BUT THIS IS THE REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND WE CAN'T RESOLVE THE PROBLEM OR FIX EVERY PROBLEM BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE THAT I FEEL THIS IS WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY SO I AM GOING TO

SEND IT BACK OVER TO MR. DEAN. >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M GOING TO MAKE TWO COMMENTS BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION.

NUMBER 1, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH WATER MANAGEMENT IN MY ROLE AS COUNTY COMMISSIONER, IT IS IN INTERESTING ISSUE TO DETERMINE HOW SPECIFIC AND HOW CONTROLLING THE LEVEL OF REQUIREMENT FOR WATER MANAGEMENT IN OUR LOCAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HERE SOMETIMES THE JUDGMENT CALL, IF YOU WANT TO GUARD AGAINST A 100 YEAR FLOOD FOR EXAMPLE IN WATER MANAGEMENT OR GUARD AGAINST ANY MANAGEMENT OF FLOODING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL YOU HAVE A CODE

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I'M THINKING ABOUT THE CIRCLE. WE KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEMS WERE WITH THE CIRCLE AND CORPUS POINT IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

I THINK WE HAVE DONE THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THERE ARE INSTANT THE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ISOLATED FLOODING PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE SPECIFIC LAY OF THE LAND AND WITH THAT I WANT TO ADDRESS THE SPEEDBUMP

MR. CHAIRMAN. >> CHAIRMAN: PLEASE.

>> BOARD MEMBER: IN FLORIDA WE HAVE SUCH A FLAT LANDSCAPE.

I UNDERSTAND THIS AREA IS THE SECOND HIGHEST IN THE COUNTY ELEVATION WISE BUT BASICALLY IT IS RELATIVELY FLAT COMPARED TO COLORADO OR THE NORTH CAROLINA MOUNTAINS.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU CAN HAVE A 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR INCH CHANGE OF ELEVATION CAN CAUSE MASSIVE FLOODING.

YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH DRAINS ALL YOUR LIFE AND YOU KNOW THAT. THE IDEA OF THIS WHAT I CALL THE SPEEDBUMP AND IN MY WORLD WE CALL THAT A LOW LEVEL BERM.

WE ARE DISCUSSING THE SAME SOLUTION AT THE END OF BOAT CLUB ROAD, LOOKING AT PUTTING IN A LOW LEVEL BERM.

IT IS NOT A SPEEDBUMP ON A BOAT RAMP IT IS A LOW LEVEL BERM.

THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER THIS SPEEDBUMP IS A LOW LEVEL BERM TO HOLD THE WATER BACK A LITTLE BIT.

ONCE TWO INCHES OVER A 24 HOUR STORM CAN MAKE A HECK OF A DIFFERENCE COMING OVER THAT CURB.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS BUT WITH THAT SAID I WANT TO THANK MR. CALDWELL AND HIS STAFF FOR COMING UP WITH SOME VERY GOOD COMMON SENSE AND HOPEFULLY EFFECTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THAT IS A LONG-STANDING PROBLEM.

MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE WOULD COME BACK MAY BE ON A ORDERLY BASIS AND BE BRIEFED ON IF WE HAVE HAD A FLOOD AND WHAT IS THE RESULT AFTER A HEAVY RAIN STORM.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.I WANT TO FIX THIS PROBLEM IF THIS DOESN'T GO A LONG WAY WITH FIXING THE PROBLEM WE NEED TO COME UP WITH EITHER LOOKING AT ADJUSTING OUR CODE OR COMING UP WITH OTHER FIXES THAT WILL ADDRESS THE FLOODING PROBLEM IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

WITH THAT I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOUR ITEMS THAT THE COUNTY STAFF HAS GIVEN US TO DO IN THE BUDGET THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROPRIATED AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER HAS ALREADY DONE BOTH ITEMS.

>> SPEAKER: ALREADY INSTALLED THE SPEEDBUMP.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD BASICALLY INCORPORATE IN MY MOTION TO ENCOURAGE THE LANDOWNER TO GO FORWARD AS A PRIVATE LANDOWNER AND THEN AUTHORIZE THE STAFF TO GO FORWARD WITH THOSE ITEMS HE PRESENTED WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS AND THAT IS MY MOTION.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND 2ND BY MR. SMITH.

WE NEED TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> BOARD MEMBER: NO SIR. >> CHAIRMAN: AND DO I SEE ANY OTHER INPUT BY THE BOARD? I SEE NONE SO LET'S VOTE.

I PASS THIS 5 Ã0. MR. CALDWELL WHEN CAN WE EXPECT AN UPDATE ON

THIS? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE CAN MOVE ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS QUICKLY MR. COMMISSIONER.

WE CAN PROVIDE YOU AN UP DATE QUARTERLY IF THAT IS

SUFFICIENT. >> CHAIRMAN: THAT WOULD BE?

>> SPEAKER: IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS WE CAN GIVE YOU AND UPDATE TO

WHERE THE STANDS. >> BOARD MEMBER: MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY? NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ITEM VOTED ON, THAT DEALT PRIMARILY WITH THE FLOODING AND ENGINEERING ISSUES. I WANTED TO REVISIT THE ISSUE OF THE BUFFER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY STAFF HEAR FROM THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A PPUBLIC WORKS ISSUE BUT ARE COUNTY PERMITTING OF THIS PROJECT THE WESTGATE PROJECT AND WHILE WE HAVE THE LANDOWNER HERE, THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL, WE HAVE THE STAFF HERE, I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT BOTH OUR STAFF POSITION IS AND IF THERE IS A LEGAL POSITION, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN SINCE THE PROJECT WAS APPROVED AND THIS BUFFER ISSUE EITHER WAS OR WASN'T ADDRESSED.

ANYWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY HERE GATHERED WITH THIS ISSUE IS WITH THE BUFFER.

ARE THEY OUT OF COMPLIANCE? HAS THE STATUTE RUN? WHERE DO WE STAND? IF THEY ARE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE

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ON THIS BUFFER ISSUE TODAY. >> SPEAKER: YES COMMISSIONER.

I ACTUALLY DID PULL UP A CUTIE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE BOARD AND MODIFICATION BACK IN 2016 OR 2017 AND THE BUFFERS WERE VERY EXPLICIT FOR 20 FOOT ON THE SOUTHERN AND ALL THE OTHER FRONTAGES. THAT ACTUALLY INCLUDED SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR EXISTING THINGS WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA, ONE BEING THE DUMPSTER PAD THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ROUTINELY.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS EXEMPT IN THE BUFFER CALCULATIONS APPROVED WITHIN THE CUTIE TAX. THEY WERE TO PROVIDE A 20 FOOT ON THE SOUTHERN AND AND THEN ON THE EASTERN SIDE WHERE THIS NEW DRIVEWAY IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO BUFFER ANYMORE OR THAT DRIVEWAY IS TO OCCUR EVERYTHING THAT WAS OCCURRING THROUGH THE PROCESS WHEN IT CAME THROUGH ALL OF THE BUFFERS WERE MEETING THE STANDARD IN THE PUD. IT DID MEET THE STANDARDS BASED ON THE COMMISSIONS AND BASED OFF THE SCREENING STANDARD THAT WOULD APPLY WITHIN THE PUD TEXT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: ANY COMMENT? >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD OFFER THAT THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW-UP REPORT 90 DAYS OUT.

OUR OFFICE WILL REVIEW THAT BUFFER LANGUAGE AND HOPEFULLY AN ACTUAL MEASUREMNT OUT THERE ON SITE.

YES SIR. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN ORDER AND WE MOVED YOU WANT TO FINISH?

>> CHAIRMAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON THE PUBLIC COMMENT ADHERE TO THE RULES AS THE BOARD HAS LAID OUT. WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE DURING

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CHAIRMAN: I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. THE BOARD RULES HAVE BEEN APPROVED BASED ON STATE LAW AND THE FLORIDA STATUTE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM IT IN AN ORDERLY WAY APPEAR THE COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED AS THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT FOR DEMAND AS IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

THE SPEAKER MAY NOT DISRUPT THE MEETING BY MAKING PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS AND BEING BOISTEROUS IN THERE BEHAVIOR AND MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE COMMENTS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE

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WE WILL FOLLOW THESE RULES WITH THE BOARD.

THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW MOVING TO THE NEXT

AGENDA ITEM, NUMBER 2. >> BOARD MEMBER: GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HAGA.

>> CHAIRMAN: BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD IS THIS QUASIJUDICIAL?

> BOARD MEMBER: NO SIR. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING, LINDSAY HAGA AND THIS IS COMBINING ITEMS 2 AND 3 IN OUR PRESENTATION TO YOU AS LISTED ON THE AGENDA OR EXPEDIENCY AS WELL AS THEY ARE COMPANION APPLICATIONS. WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AMENDMENT AND OUR TEAM IS REPRESENTED IN THE AUDIENCE WITH MR. GREG KERN, MY COLLEAGUE WILL HANDLE THE MODIFICATIONS DURING THE PRESENTATION AND SHOULD WE HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION OR ENGINEERING QUESTIONS AND PATRICK PIERCE OF ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES. WHAT THIS REQUEST IS TO ENTITLE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP 71 ACRES FROM RURAL TO RESIDENTIAL C TO THE PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND THIS IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST.

JOHN COUNTY TEST SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES AND CHARACTER PATTERN GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING IN THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY.HE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE TRAIL MARKED COMMUNITY IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT ON THE SITE CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING. IT STARTED GETTING GOING INTO THOUSAND EIGHT SO THE COMMUNITY HAS BOTH RESIDENTS AND AREAS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AGAIN THE YELLOW AREA MARKS FOR US THE ADDED LANDS. HERE I AM COMBINING INTERSTATE 95 ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE MAP AND COUNTY ROAD 208.

HERE WE ARE ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN HIGHLIGHTING IT TO FRAME OUT WHERE WE ARE. REAL QUICKLY WHERE WE HAVE BEEN WHERE COMING BEFORE YOU FOR THE ADOPTION WHICH IS THE SECOND PART OF ANY LARGE-SCALE LAND-USE AMENDMENT.

WE HAVE THE LANDING IN ZONING PHASE THAT THIS BODY RECOMMENDED TO TRANSMIT THIS OUT FOR STATE AGENCY REVIEW.

THOSE LETTERS WELCOME BACK TO AGREEING WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE BOARD AND THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT TO EITHER STATE RESOURCES OR FACILITIES.

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THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE. THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED PROVIDES TO LAND-USE PROPERTIES.

NONRESIDENTIAL AND TIMBER ARE MISSING AS WELL AS RESIDENTIAL USE IS GAINED THROUGH YOUR INCENTIVE PROGRAM THROUGH PLANNED RURAL DEVELOPMENT. WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY AND FOLLOWED REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE FOR 14 ADDITIONAL UNITS UNDER THE RULE SUB LAND USE CATEGORY WHERE PRD OR LAND-USE WILL BE ZONED ON THAT SIDE DID WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MODIFYING THE COLOR ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE FOR RESIDENTIAL BLOCKER 7 AND BUCKLING IT IN WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT THAT WOULD SLIDE OVER RIGHT THAT ARE ALREADY AFFORDED AND APPROVED FOR THIS.

IT IS NOT IN ADDITION TO THE PROPERTY.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? THESE RIGHTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MITIGATED BY PRIVATE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR TRANSPORTATION, SCHOOLS AND PARKS.

ALSO THIS ADDITION OF ADDING IN THE 71 ACRES WOULD PROVIDE AND CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SAINTS JOHN'S LOT VARIETY IN THE SAME CHARACTER PATTERN THAT YOU SEE NOW WHEN YOU VISIT THE TRAIL MARKED.

AS HE MENTIONED WE ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY AND THAT HAS AN ADDED LAYER OF POLICY CAN BUY IT THAT WE HAVE TO DOCUMENT FOR YOU AND THE PLANNING STAFF.

AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU SEE, WE HAVE ALSO HEARD OF SCENIC EDGES AS WELL AS CONNECTING INTO THE BLUE WAVES OR THE GREENWAY. THE PRESENTATION OF THE LARGE CONTINUOUS AREAS AS WELL AS HOSTING COMMUNITY MEETING SO THAT FOLKS GET TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING BEFORE THEY COME IN BEFORE YOU HEAR. OTHER AREAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR STAFF FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE CHANGE THE COLORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS IT IS A LARGE EXTENSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THAT IS THE REDLINE LISTING IT IN THE MAP AND BINDING IN THOSE COLORS. UCR SITE IS TUCKED INTO THE AREA. ALL OF THE ACCESS WOULD BE GAINED FROM INTERNAL OF THE PROJECT NOT TO BE EXTERNAL ACCESS AND PUBLIC UTILITIES HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED FOR CAN BE DETERMINED BY THE NUMBER OF UNITS ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE SITE AND WOULD BE EXTENDED INTO THE ADDED LANDS.

A BULLET THAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO WALK THROUGH ALSO PROVIDES THAT WETLAND PROTECTION WOULD BE GAINED FROM THE CIVIL CULTURE WHICH ALLOWS FOR HARVESTING BY RIGHT TO PROTECT UP TO 40 PERCENT OF THE SITE THE MAP YOU SEE HERE.

I WILL WALK IT THROUGH. THE LARGE-SCREEN IS THE WETLAND PROTECTION OF LANDS AND YOU SEE A RIBBON OF YELLOW OR BEIGE AND THAT REPRESENTS THE BUFFER. IN THE LARGER GREEN AREA IS A POCKET THAT COULD BE USED FOR TRAILS.

NAME HERE FOR THIS PROJECT AND THEN INTO THE PROTECTED LAND WHICH REPRESENTS ABOUT 40 PERCENT OF THE SITE.

WHEN WE CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY DURING TRANSMITTAL WE HAD IN OUR PACKET BUT DIDN'T HAVE GRAPHICALLY AREAS TO SHOW ABOUT THE TYPES OF SOILS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE ADDED LANDS. IT TOOK A MINUTE TO A DATE FOR THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SHOW THE OVERLAP BETWEEN OUR PROTECTED AREA OF THE LAND AND THOSE SOILS THAT OVERLAP.

SERIES OF SLIDES SHOW WHERE THOSE QUESTIONS COME IN, IF WE HAVE THESE SOILS WHERE OUR THOSE AREAS AND ARE THEY IN THE WAY OF THE DEVELOPMENT? THIS SERIES OF MAP SHOWS THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING FROM CONSERVATION EASEMENTS, GIVE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS PENDING OR HAVE FUTURE CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SHOWN ON THE MAP. THIS SLIDE BEGINS.

>> BOARD MEMBER: IF I MAY MR. CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS ITEM NUMBER 3 IS JUDICIAL SO AT THIS TIME IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE

ANY X PARTAKE TO DISCLOSE? >> CHAIRMAN: WE WILL GO THROUGH X PARTAKE AND DISCLOSURES. SPEAK I DO.

LET ME FIND MY NOTE. ON FEBRUARY 11 AT 10 A.M. I MET

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ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM ADDING 71 ACRES HAS ALREADY BEEN DESCRIBED IN THE DRI MODIFICATION AS WELL.

WE LOOKED AT THE TRANSITION THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED LATER ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO REZONING AND WE TALKED ABOUT NO VEHICULAR IMPACT ON INDIAN BRANCH ROAD OR INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AND WE DISCUSSED NO NEW ENTITLEMENT ON DENSITIES IN THIS PROPERTY. I ALSO LOOKED AT THE SOIL MAP THAT WE JUST SAW AND I ALSO DISCUSSED THE REQUEST FOR A CONVERSION TABLE THAT COULD ALTER TRAFFIC TRIPS.

WE LOOKED AT CONCEPTUAL PLAN BUFFERS AND I THINK THAT

CONCLUDES MY. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> BOARD MEMBER: ON FEBRUARY 3 I MET WITH THE GROUP.

BASICALLY WE DISCUSSED ALL THE SAME ITEMS THAT MR. SMITH JUST

HIGHLIGHTED. >> CHAIRMAN: OKAY, COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> BOARD MEMBER: ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11 AT 12:30 P.M. I DID MEET WITH THE GROUP.

WE DISCUSSED THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS OF THE WETLAND MAP, SOIL, THE TRAFFIC PATTERN TO INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AND THE FACT THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE UNITS.

>> CHAIRMAN: COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> BOARD MEMBER: ON FEBRUARY 11 I HAD A MEETING WITH THE GROUP.

WE SPOKE ABOUT ADDING ACREAGE INTO THE DRI AND THE FACT THAT WE DISCUSSED DRI FOR SOME TIME WITH MORE UNITS THAN THEY HAD LANDS. WE DID TALK ABOUT THE EXTENSIONS AND CHANGES ADDED TO THE TIMELINE AND THEN WE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BEAUTIFUL OAK STRAIN THAT IS PART OF THIS PROPERTY THAT I REMEMBER GOING TO AS A KID AND HUNTING. WE ALSO HAD A PHONE CALL AND WE TALKED TO MR. HARRAH THAT LIVES ON CHURCH ROAD AND ALSO HIS SON, SAME LAST NAME HAD CONTACTED ME RECENTLY REACH OUT TO ME ABOUT TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD AND THAT QUESTION WAS ANSWERED

AND THAT WAS IT. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

I MET ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 11 AT 1.30 WITH THE GROUP.

WE DISCUSSED OTHER THINGS ARE MENTIONED AND I REVIEWED A SOIL MAP AND WE TALKED WITH DRI MODIFICATION AND VEHICLE IMPACT AND OVERALL IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT.

PLEASE CONTINUE. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU LINDSAY HAGA. IN ORDER TO SPREAD EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS TO MAKE SURE IT IS PART OF THIS COMP PLAN THAT NO ADDITIONAL IMPACTS CAN BE CONTRIBUTED TO PUBLIC FACILITIES WE HAVE TO ANNEX THE 71 ACRES INTO THE ST. JOHN DRI.

THE DRI AT IT'S HEART IS ADDING THE 71 ACRES AND THEY DELAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT YOU HAVE TO UPDATE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION AS WELL AS MAP AGE. ST. JOHN DRI IS A MATURE DRI AND THIS HAS BEEN COPIED A LOT OF TIMES AND IT IS DIFFICULT TO READ SOME OF IT. WE WORKED WITH STAFF AND ARE ADDING AN ADDITIONAL MAP TO THE DRI THAT LOOKS IS ON SIX MILE CREEK TRAIL MARKED WHERE THIS PROPERTY WILL BE ANNEXED TO A LEGIBLE COPY SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PARCELS ARE AND WHAT THEY USE IS. IN ADDITION TO THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUFFERS THAT ARE IN PART CURRENTLY IN THE CODE ARE ADDED TO THE DRI BECAUSE THIS IS A MATURE DRI. WE WERE SPECIFYING THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE HOUSEKEEPING.

THE LAST TIME THIS DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS MODIFIED WAS BACK IN 2017. SINCE THEN THE GOVERNOR HAS DECLARED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF STATE OF EMERGENCY DUE TO NATURAL DISASTERS WHICH HAS EXTENDED THE DRI BUILDOUT AND DETERMINATION DATES WHICH ARE ALL ONE IN THE SAME DATE.

AS A RESULT OF THAT WE ARE UP DATING THE CURRENT DATE TO MATCH WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND THEN IN 2018 THE DRI STATUE WAS OVERHAULED BASICALLY ESSENTIALLY TO DEREGULATE DRI AND PLACE THEM BEFORE THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

THE DEVELOPMENT WORKER IS TO PROPOSE THOSE STATUTORY CHANGES. AS I SAID THIS IS A MATURE DRI AND ALMOST ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED. SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN DONATED AND THERE'S BEEN PART MITIGATION TO THE ONES SET OF CONDITIONS THAT

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WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO REMOVE THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MET. KEEP THE TRAFFIC ONE BECAUSE EVERY TWO YEARS THE TRAFFIC BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER WILL PRODUCE A REPORT AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER THAT THE STAFF OR MASTER DEVELOPER KNOWS WHEN THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY WILL BE TRACED. ALSO WE ARE REMOVING SOME OF THE STANDARD OF THE DEVELOPMENT MODIFICATION OR AMENDMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THEN FINALLY THE MASTER DEVELOPER HAS PROCESSED THREE SEPARATE LAND-USE EXCHANGES MADE IN A CONVERSION TABLE THAT IS ONLY ALLOWED WITHIN THE INTERCHANGE OF PARCELS THAT IS NOT WITHIN THIS SIX MILE CREEK AREA.

THOSE WERE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY PURSUANT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER REQUIRES THAT WE UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER PER THOSE EXCHANGES SO WE ARE DOING THAT AS WELL. THEN FINALLY, THE THREE ITEMS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED OR UNDERLINED HERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD IS CLEAR. WE WITH OUR ORIGINAL MODIFICATION WORK USING A CONVERSION TABLE SPECIFIC TO THE TRAIL MARKED PROJECT THAT WOULD SEEK CONVERGENCE FROM RESIDENTIAL TO AGE RESTRICTED OR POTENTIALLY NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL STUDY. AFTER TALKING WITH YOUR STAFF AS WELL AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER WE HAVE REMOVED THAT.

IS NO LONGER BEFORE YOU. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT IS ON PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE THERE ARE NOTICES AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

SO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY THIS IS MAP H THIS IS SIX MILE CREEK SOUTH WITH THE TRAIL MARKED WHERE THE DRI IS ENTITLED A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WILL BE MITIGATED FOR A DEVELOPMENT ORDER. THE ONE OUTSTANDING TRAFFIC CONDITION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER.

RIGHT HERE IS THE ADDED LAND FOR THE TRAIL MARKED FOR 71 ACRES AS LINDSAY HAGA HAS ALREADY DESCRIBED IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE AREA AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS WITH THE COMP PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE DRI. MS. HAYES HAS.

[BLEEP] DONE THAT. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE WHEN BENEFIT FOR THIS APPLICATION AND THAT IS WHY ADDING THIS PROPERTY TO THE DRI YOU ARE ADDING THE DEVELOPMENT TO THIS PROPERTY CONSISTENT WITH THE TRAIL MARKED.

WHAT YOU ARE GETTING OUT IF THAT IS THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. THAT MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY WILL BE ABLE TO CONNECT THIS PROJECT AND PROPERTY WITH SIX MILE THROUGH A ROAD SYSTEM THAT IS INTERCONNECTED THAT WELCOME OUT AFTER THE STUDY AND PROHIBIT ANY TRAFFIC FROM THIS PROJECT INCLUDING THE ADDED LAND ONTO INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD. THAT CONNECTION IS KEY AND IS ALSO KEY FROM A WETLAND STANDPOINT WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO PROTECT 40 PERCENT OF THIS PROJECT WITHIN THE ADDED LANDS BY ADDING IT IN WHICH YOU WOULD NECESSARILY NOT GET THE STANDALONE PROJECT. NOT ONLY IS IT GETTING PROTECTED IT IS ADDING CONSIDERABLY TO THIS AREA AND LINDSAY HAGA WILL ADD MORE DETAIL ON THAT AND THEN FINALLY THE TRAIL MARKED IS DIFFERENT. IT IS SIMILAR TO OTHER MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES LIKE DRI'S.

IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THIS YOU WILL NOT SEE LOT AFTER LOT AFTER LOT LATER GOING TO SEE THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT, SMALLER LOT WAYS, YOU WILL SEE A 60 TO 80 FOOT LOT AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE YOU THE ASCETIC VARIETY BUT HITS A VERY DIFFERENT MARKET AND PRICE POINT OF THIS COUNTY AS IT IS IN NEED OF.

BY ALLOWING THE ANNEXATION YOU ARE GOING TO FURTHER THE DIFFERENT LOTS AND RESIDENTIAL UNIT AS WELL AS PRICES.

>> SPEAKER: A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT STACY HIT ON IS THE PLAN THAT REPRESENTS THE NEXT STEP ONLY FILE FORM MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD. THIS IS THE TRAIL MARKED PLAN AND WHAT WE ARE SHOWING YOU IS THE ADDED LANDS AND HOW WE ARE KEEPING OUR INTERNAL CONNECTION AND AGAIN PROPOSE THAT THIS IS ONE POTENTIL LAYOUT THAT MAY BE SEEN IN THE KEY TAKE AWAY THAT YOU SEE, ALSO ARE THE GREENWAY AREAS OF THE PROTECTED LANDS AND HOW THEY PROTECT INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

HERE IS INDIAN BRANCH RANCH ROAD AND WE BEGAN THIS JOURNEY IN 2019 WE WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE IN

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LET'S ADVANCE. LAST TO SHOW IS THE 35 FOOT DEVELOP AN EDGE WHICH AGAIN IS A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR NORTHWEST SECTOR PLAN. YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THIS WE BRING FORWARD THE MODIFICATION TO THE PUD WE WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE THE PRESENTATION AND OPEN UP THE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HITTING ON KEY POINTS AND THE AMENDMENT THAT THE DRI POINTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LOCAL PLAN AND COMING FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OUR TEAM IS IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.

>> CHAIRMAN: WERE GOING TO COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST.

>> BOARD MEMBER: STACY, YOU ALLUDED TO IT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT IT STATED CORRECTLY BUT THESE TRAFFICS ARE TRIGGERED BY TRIPS AND DATE. CAN YOU ELABORATE THAT MORE ON WHERE WE STAND WITH TRIPS AND DATES AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS

AND WHAT THOSE ARE? >>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE A HOST OF TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ONGOING.

WE ARE NOT REPRESENTING THE MASTER DEVELOPER WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THOSE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR A LACK OF A BETTER TERM. THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AT THE 50,000 FOOT LEVEL COMMISSIONER SMITH IS THAT THEY ARE ONGOING. ALL THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN MITIGATED PURSUANT TO TRAFFIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER AND WILL CONTINUE.

THEY ARE SET FORTH FOR EXTERNAL TRIPS COMING OUT OF THIS PROJECT AND IT IS LOOKING AT THE DRI AS A WHOLE AND THEN WITHIN THE SUBSET WHICH ARE CALLED TAC WHICH ARE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ZONES THAT LOOK AT SUBSETS WITH THE PROJECT.

THE DEVELOPER IS LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENT OR THE TAC.

I CAN GO THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER QUICKLY IF YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT IS THERE OR WHAT I BELIEVE I MIGHT

NEED TO BRING SOMEONE ELSE UP. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT AND FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR A LONG TIME AND OTHERS IMPACTED BY THE ST. JOHN DRI WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED AND FORTHCOMING THAT HAVE YET TO BE COMING TO FRUITION. THERE IS A TRAFFIC LIGHT THAT IS NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED. THERE ARE A SET OF 290 DEGREE CURVES THAT ARE DANGEROUS. THE MORE TRAFFIC WE ADD TO IT THIS AREA BECOMES MORE AND MORE CRITICAL AND CONCERNING TWO ESPECIALLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE, WHEN THEY WILL BE TRIP AND WHEN THEY WELCOME TO FRUITION.

>> SPEAKER: JEFF GREENMAN, 14775 OLD SAINT AUGUSTINE WROTE. THE ST. JOHN DRI IS BASICALLY DIVIDED UP INTO TWO MAJOR AREAS FOR THE INTERCHANGE PARCELS, THOSE UP AT IDP AND 95 AND SIX MILE CREEK PARCEL.

SIX MILE CREEK WAS IN GREEN AND SIX MILE CREEK NORTH CAME INTO BEAR IN THAT AREA AND THEN SIX MILE CREEK SOUTH WHICH IS, THERE ARE A SERIES OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN SECTION FF. SOME DONE IN THE INTERCHANGE WIDENING STATE ROAD 16 THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE LEFT TO BE DONE. ONE OF WHICH IS THE BRINGING PACETTI ROAD UP TO COLLECTOR STANDARDS.

ANOTHER ONE IS STRAIGHTENING THE CURVES OUT.

ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE THE THREE TRIGGERS.

TOTAL TRAFFIC GENERATED OUT OF THE DRI, TRAFFIC GENERATED OUT OF THE TAC, THE MOST REPRESENT THE IMPACT TO THAT FACILITY AND IT INDICATES THAT AT PACETTI ROAD IT IS ALL THE SIX MILE CREEK PARCELS. BASICALLY PARCEL SIX THROUGH 10. THE INTERCHANGE PARCELS ARE ONE THROUGH FIVE. THE TRIGGER FOR WIDENING IDP WAS BASED ON THE INTERCHANGE PARCELS AND THE TOTAL TRAFFIC.

THE WIDENING OF PACETTI ROAD IS TRIGGERED BY TAC SIX THROUGH 10 AND THE SIX MILE CREEK PARCEL AND THE TRAFFIC FROM THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT. IT GOES ON THROUGH THERE.

THERE'S ALSO A DATE CERTAIN THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD

HAVE TO GO FORWARD. >> CHAIRMAN: WHAT IS THAT DATE? DOES THIS FOR THE GOVERNOR'S ORDERS DOES THAT LAY IT OUT

EVEN FURTHER? >> SPEAKER: YES, THAT DATE IS BEING REDONE BASED ON THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THROUGH NOVEMBER 28, 2031 OR WHEN THE BIANNUAL TRAFFIC REPORT

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MOST OF THE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE.

THEY ARE ALL CONTAINED IN SECTION FF.

FF E IS THE FORMATION OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY FROM THE INTERCHANGE PARCELS OF STATE ROAD 16 GOOD THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED. THE SIGNAL EXEMPTION AND HAVE 16 AND 16 A WITH CERTAIN THRESHOLD HAVE TRIGGERED THAT AND IT HAS BEEN DONE. BUT SHE WHAT YOU HAVE.

IMPROVEMENTS TO PACETTI ROAD TO STATE ROAD 16 INCLUDING TURN LANES AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. PARTS OF THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BUT IT IS ALSO SET TO BE TRIGGERED WHEN 72,000 594 DAILY TRIPS FROM THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT OCCUR OR 30,350 EXTERNAL TRIPS FROM TAZ SIX THROUGH 10 WHICH ARE THE SIX MILE CREEK PARCELS. THERE IS ALSO A FOUR-LANE REQUIREMENT FROM PACETTI ROAD FROM 16 TO 6 MILE CREEK ENTRANCE AND THAT HAS THE SAME OR SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT TRIP CURVE, 91,500 DAILY TRIPS FOR 41,007 30 AND THOSE TRIPS AR

RECORDED EVERY YEAR. >> CHAIRMAN: WHERE DO WE STAND

AS THE LATEST TRICK COUNT? >> SPEAKER: I HAVE NOT SEEN THE

LATEST TRICK COUNT. >> BOARD MEMBER: 71,000,I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

WERE ABOUT TO PUT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. I WANT TO KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING. I TELL YOU, THOSE 290 DEGREES TURNS ON PACETTI ROAD ARE CONCERNING.

THE TRAFFIC IMPEACHMENT AND THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE FORTHCOMING HERE DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE TRIP COUNT IS AND

THE TRIP IMPROVEMENTS? >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING THROUGH THE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER.

SONG WING AND I AM THE TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. THE LAST ANNUAL COUNT IS S STILL, THE TRIP HAS NOT REACHED THERE.

WHAT WE THINK IS YEARS OUT BEFORE WE REACH THAT.

>> CHAIRMAN: IS IT 1/2 OF IT, IS IT TWO THIRDS?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER BUT WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AS WELL, THE COUNTY IS ALSO REACHING OUT TO DOT BECAUSE A SEGMENT OF 16 BETWEEN 16 A TO ST. JAMES WHICH IS THE ENTRANCE WE HAVE REQUESTED FUNDING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND WE ALREADY HAVE THE 50 PERCENT LOCAL MATCH. WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THAT LINE. THE LAST IMPROVEMENT OF ST.

JOHN COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IS THE BRINGING PACETTI ROAD TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR ROAD. BUT WE DO NOT KNOW IS THE DETAILS OF THAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO STANDARDS ON THE LANGUAGE AND IT DICTATES WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEGOTIATION BETWEEN US AND ST.

JOHN DRI ONLY APPROACH THAT LIMIT, THAT THRESHOLD.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT THAT DEFINITION WOULD BE.

THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS, SOME SORT OF

IMPROVEMENTS TO PACETTI. >> CHAIRMAN: THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE YOU SAID 16 TO ST.

JAMES AND THAT IS A SEGMENT. 50 PERCENT COST SHARE.

WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED COST OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS?

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT NOW HE BASED ON CURRENT ACQUISITIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS WE ARE LOOKING AT 5.5 MILLION.

>> CHAIRMAN: THAT'S NOT VERY FAR?

B3 IS ABOUT .8 MILES. >> CHAIRMAN: THE OTHER THING IS

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WHERE ARE THEY GOING OUT AND WHEN WILL THEY BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED? WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR

UTILIZATION? >> SPEAKER: THE IMPACT FEES WE ALLOCATE 2 MILLION THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2023 FOUR COUNTY ROAD FEBRUARY 2, 2009. THE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AMOUNT THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FOR EXAMPLE IN THE DELAY OF THE SUBDIVISION IS THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY 600,000 SO WE HAVE THAT.

THAT IT IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS THAT SEGMENT OF 16.E ALSO APPROPRIATE I BELIEVE ANOTHER 500,000 FROM IMPACT FEES FOR THAT PORTION. AND WE BELIEVE WE HAVE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR OTHER PROP SHARE THAT ANTICIPATE COMING IN IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THAT SEGMENT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL STATION ON PACETTI ROAD AND THE TRAIL MARK THAT IS NEVER BEEN ACTIVATED IT WHEN WILL THAT BE MERITED TO ACTIVATE THAT PARTICULAR SIGNAL STATION?

>> SPEAKER: AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE TRAIL MARK COULD I BELIEVE

THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVATED. >> BOARD MEMBER: HAS IT BEEN? B3 I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN. THERE IS A EASEMENT QUESTION ON ONE OF THE POLLS BUT IT IS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.

>> SPEAKER: THIS MAP ZONE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS.

IT HAS BEEN AND MR. CRANE AND WHAT HE HAS INFORMED ME IS THERE IS AN ISSUE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT IT IS NOT ON PUBLIC LANDS. WE HAVE TO CONVEY THAT BEFORE

WE CAN ACTIVATE THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO ME I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT AND THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO RECOGNIZE THAT THESE DRI'S HAVE PLANNING THAT HAVE BEEN DONE AND IT LOOKS AND APPEARS THAT IT STARTED OUT BUT THERE ARE THRESHOLDS IN THAT INS UP TO BE REFLECTED ON COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND OTHER ENTITIES AND THIS CREATES ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY AND IT HASN'T YET AND DELIVERED. I DON'T THINK THIS ADDING OF 71 ACRES IN HEATH AT BUT THE EXTENSION OF SOME OF THESE DATES CONTINUES TO PUT THESE LIKE THEY ARE ALMOST UNREACHABLE OR UNATTAINABLE AND MAY NEVER BE REACHED AND THAT IS VERY DISCONCERTING. BUT, NONETHELESS THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT I APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK THE FOLKS APPRECIATE IT

AS WELL. >> SPEAKER: YOU ARE WELL AWARE THAT THE EXTENSION IS DUE TO LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS AND WE HAVE

NO CONTROL OF THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I AM VERY WELL AWARE OF IT AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS AS WELL AND THAT CONTINUES TO PUSH THINGS OUT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. YES?

>> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER SMITH I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHILE THE DATES ARE BE ASKED TO BE EXTENDED, THE EARLIER OF THAT DATE OR WHEN THE TRIPS WERE TRIGGERED THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL DATE SO IF IT COMES AND GOES YOU TO MEET THAT IS ALSO DEPENDENT ON THE UNITS AND SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING HIT WHICH YOU ARE PROPERLY MITIGATING IT FOR.

THERE ARE CHECKS AND BALANCES. >> BOARD MEMBER: APPRECIATE THAT AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A DATE THAT IS ALMOST 10 YEARS OUT. YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT AND WE'VE OBVIOUSLY HEARD TESTIMONY THAT IT WILL BE YEARS BEFORE THESE THRESHOLDS ARE MET AND SO FAR WE ARE SHORT OF THE 72,000.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF OVERALL VIEWPOINTS THIS IT IS GOING TO BE TANGIBLE AND THIS IS WHAT WERE GOING TO BE RECEIVING. AND, THERE IS MORE TO COME AND IT'S COME AND GONE AND THEN IT HASN'T COME I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

WERE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST NEXT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YU COMMISSIONER.

I KNOW THERE IS A NORTHERN END OF THE SAINTS JOHN DRI AND THIS PORTION OF THE DRI IS CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED 71 ACRES.

WHAT PERCENTAGE BUILDOUT IS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE DRI CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED 71 ACRES?

>> SPEAKER: TO THE WHOLE AREA IT WOULD BE SIX MILE CREEK NORTH AND SOUTH. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ON THE BUILDOUT WITH THE NUMBERS. I DON'T OF THE PLANNING STAFF IS KEEPING THAT THAT HERE IN THE TRAIL MARK WE ARE WITHIN 30 PERCENT OF THAT OF OUR NUMBERS WHEN WE LOOK INTO THE SIX MILE CREEK SOUTH AREA. WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE.

IF WE GET BACK TO THE MAP PAGE. >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT.

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>> SPEAKER: YES. SOME OF THOSE AREAS WHERE YOU COME IN WITH KING OF THE BEAR, I CAN'T SPEAK THAT I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS PER THE PLANNING STAFF DOES.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I SEE. THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD IS 30

PERCENT BUILT OUT? >> SPEAKER: ABOUT.

WE HAVE LOTS OF RESIDENTS AS WELL AS LOTS ON THE GROUND AND THEN VARIOUS LOCATIONS OF CONSTRUCTION OR PLANNING.

GREGORY AGREES 30 PERCENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

MR. COTTON? FOREST COTTON.

I WANT TO CALL ON MR. COTTON FOR A MOMENT.

>> SPEAKER: YES SIR. FOREST COTTON.

GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU SIR.

YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH THIS IS BUILDOUT

CURRENTLY? >> SPEAKER: I BELIEVE IT IS 60

PERCENT ROUGHLY. >> BOARD MEMBER: 60 PERCENT ANYTHING SOUTH OF STATE ROAD. IT.

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S LOOKING AT THE DRI IN IT'S ENTIRETY.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

>> CHAIRMAN: IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NORMALLY WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE HAVE A MOTION AND THEN GO FROM THERE BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

CAN WE GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL DO THE SAME, I WILL TAKE UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON BOTH 2 AND 3 ON THE COMPANION ITEMS. WE DO HAVE ONE CALL AND WILL TAKE THE CALL FIRST ON ITEM 2 AND 3. NAME AND ADDRESS? NAME AND ADDRESS.

NOW WE HAVE ZERO CALLINGS. OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA.

FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONERS, ON NUMBER 2, NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3 REQUIRE SEPARATE VOTE. SO, I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE FACT THAT YOU DID NOT TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER NUMBER 2 IS NOT AN OPEN AND HONEST GOVERNMENT.

YOU ARE COMBINING 2 AND 3 GOOD LET ME ASK YOU, DO YOU GET SIX MINUTES TO SPEAK OR IS IT JUST THAT YOU WANT TO COMBO THIS TOGETHER. I WANT TO TELL YOU, PATRICK MCCORMICK IS CORRECT WHEN HE SAYS THAT YOU DON'T NEED PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER TE LAW BUT PATRICK MCCORMICK IS INCORRECT WHEN HE SAID THAT YOU CAN COMBINE THESE VOTE.

EACH VOTING MATTER BY LAW REQUIRES SEPARATE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT IS THE LAW. WHEN I HEAR COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST SCHOOL THE LAST SPEAKER AND THE LAST AGENDA ITEM ACCORDING TO POINT OF ORDER, I SAY POINT OF ORDER TO YOU. MISSION OR, NUMBER 2, I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ON NUMBER 2. BECAUSE, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BY GRANTING THIS RESIDENTIAL C, I AM A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED THAT YOU HAVE TOO MANY PROJECTS. COMMISSIONERS, I'VE GOT TO SAY AT LEAST FROM HERE, I HOPE YOU ARE PUTTING IT ON HOLD.

I HOPE YOU ASK THEM TO COME BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE JOBS REQUIRED FOR ALL THESE HOUSES COMING.

I DON'T WANT TO BE THE FORECLOSURE CAPITAL OF THE NEXT DOWNTURN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE JOBS.

I SAY NO ON 2 AND 3. AND, YOU FOLKS KEEP MEETING WITH THESE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. I THINK Y'ALL'S CONVERSATIONS SHOULD BE FULLY RECORDED AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE NOW, I THINK A BODY CAM FOR YOU COMMISSIONERS WHEN YOU MEET WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE WHEN I LISTEN TO HOW MUCH YOU TALK TO THEM I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES OF AGENDA ITEMS AND YOU SPENT A LONG TIME WITH THESE PEOPLE. ANYWAY, COMMISSIONERS, YOU BOTH KNOW ON 2 AND 3. TRY TO CLEAN UP YOUR ACT AND TRY TO OBEY THE

LAW. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE CALL IN.

LET'S GO TO THE LIVE AUDIENCE HERE AND COMMENTS ON BOTH 2 AND

3. >> SPEAKER: B JAKE A LADY EIGHT NEWCOMB WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO READ ABOUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND I

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I REALLY APPRECIATE WHOEVER THAT PERSON WAS AND WHATEVER THAT PERSON SAID I AGREE WITH. IT SHOULD BE NOT PASSED.

BECAUSE HE OR SHE VOTED 5 ÃONE IN FAVOR.

ONE WAS NOT IN FAVOR I WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD IN CASE PEOPLE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THIS INFORMATION UP AND IT'S TAKEN ME A LITTLE WHILE LONGER TO GET UP HERE BECAUSE, AND I APPRECIATE THIS WE HAVE PEOPLE, RESIDENTS, COMING TO THESE MEETINGS AND SPEAKING UP FOR THEMSELVES AND 2 OF THEM TOOK MY SEAT BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I CAN MOVE AROUND HERE DON'T EXPECT ME TO BE AT THE FRONT. I AM THE BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GET MORE INFORMATION I THINK ON THIS. I'M JUST WHIPPING IT THROUGH.

THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2 AND 3?

YES MA'AM? >> SPEAKER: SHERRY BACHER, 27772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.NCE AGAIN GENTLEMEN THIS WHOLE AREA HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE.

THERE IS SIGNIFICANT FLOODING OUT BY THE RIVER IN THESE LUNAR TIDES AND LET'S SEE. PREVIOUS EMPLOYEES DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER ARE HURRICANE MONTHS WHICH Y'ALL ARE THE STEWARDS OF THIS WHOLE COUNTY.

NOT JUST YOUR STAFF NOT APPROVING STUFF, APPROVING STUFF THAT SHOULDN'T BE. APPROVING STUFF THAT HASN'T EVEN HAD TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE ON IT.YOU GUYS ARE THE STEWARDS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER SMITH I APPLAUD YOU BECAUSE AT LEAST YOU CARE. THEY ARE GOING TO FLOOD A NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT DOOR TO IT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE AN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE US. THESE NEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED GET TO TILT UP FOUR FEET AND NO MATTER IF YOU PUT A SPEED BUMP OR NOT, THAT WATER IS STILL GOING TO COME OFF THE HILL. Y'ALL NEED TO BE LOOKING AND SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES AND THESE DEVELOPERS AND LAWYERS COMING IN HERE THAT HAVE EVERYTHING RUBBERSTAMPED BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOUR EMPLOYEES.

THEY KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND THE WORDING.

Y'ALL ARE THE STEWARDS. WE NEED TO GO BACK BECAUSE THIS IS WHY WASHINGTON IS IN THE TROUBLE IT IS IN.

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN COMPLACENT AND IF IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THEM THEY DON'T CARE DID WELL, YOU ARE ELECTED AND Y'ALL NEED TO START CARRYING. THANK YOU, GOD BLESS AND HAVE A

GOOD DAY. >> CHAIRMAN: FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2 AND 3? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT ON 2

AND 3. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSE TO THE BOARD. MR. SMITH?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL MOVE THIS.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2000 Ã21 Ã7 ADOPTING CONFERENCE A

PLAN AMENDMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I DIDN'T FINISH IT YET.

I STALLED THERE FOR A MINUTE. COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 2019 Ã08 TRAIL MARK ADDED LAND BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACTS PROVIDED

IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> BOARD MEMBER: NOW I WILL

SECOND THIS. >> CHAIRMAN: CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I SEE NONE.

PLEASE VOTE. I WILL DO NUMBER 3 IF YOU WOULD

LIKE MR. CHAIRMAN? >> CHAIRMAN: PLEASE DO SO.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ST. JOHN

TRA BASED ON THE FINDINGS. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. SMITH A SECOND BITE COMMISSIONER DEAN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? PLEASE VOTE.

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ITEM MR. MCCORMACK. >> BOARD MEMBER: YES.

I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AND PUBLIC COMMENTS.

YOU ARE HANDLING THIS ITEM AND IT IS WITHIN THE LAW.

THERE IS A STATUTE THAT DIVIDES THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHALL BE GIVEN A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD UNDER PROPOSITION IN FRONT OF AN ORDER OR COMMISSION.

A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY. THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD NEED NOT OCCUR AT THIS SAME MEETING AT WHICH THE BOARD OR COMMISSION TAKES OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE PROPOSITION IF THE OPPORTUNITY OCCURS AT A MEETING THAT IS DURING THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND WAS IN A REASONABLE PROXIMITY OF TIME FOR THE MEETING AT WHICH THE BOARD OF COMMISSION TAKES INITIAL ACTION. IN THIS REGARD COMMONLY FOR LAND-USE RELATED ITEMS YOU HAVE A PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY WHICH IS YOUR LAND PLANNING AGENCY UNDER THE LAW.

THEY HOLD HEARINGS. THEY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WHEN THE ITEM COMES BACK HERE, GENERALLY YOU DO, TOO. IT IS MY OPINION THAT NOT ONLY MEET BUT EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MR. MCCORMACK I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A SCHEDULING QUESTION THAT

YOU BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND MR. CHAIR. THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 10 WHICH IS CONSENT NUMBER 13 PERTAINING TO THE GOLF COURSE ITEM TWO EARLIER IN THE AGENDA.

PROBABLY BEFORE THE STAFF INTENSIVE ITEMS BEFORE ITEM 6 FOR EXAMPLE. THE BOARD COULD DO THAT.

I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THERE MAY BE ONE OR MORE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAD SEEN IT PLACED AS 10 AND THEN MAY HAVE STEPPED OUT FROM THE MEETING DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT REQUEST TO YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MR. MCCORMACK.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO WEIGH IN.

WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT OF THE BOARD? BE TOO I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO BE SAFE AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE A CHANCE TO COME BACK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY LEFT THE ROOM MAY BE LATER. I WILL GO WITH WHATEVER

EVERYBODY ELSE HAS. >> CHAIRMAN: MR. DEAN?

>> BOARD MEMBER: MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WHY WOULD ANYONE CONSIDER MOVING IT FORWARD FOR THE SPECIFIC REQUEST?

>> BOARD MEMBER: THERE WAS A REQUEST AND I WANTED TO FORWARD THAT. THAT WAS ALL.

>> BOARD MEMBER: HAVING ANNOUNCED EARLIER THIS MORNING

WHEN IT CAME UP ¦ >> CHAIRMAN: MR. WALDRON?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH IT FOR THOSE WHO COME BACK. DO IT EITHER WHEN A?

>> CHAIRMAN: I AGREE. FOR FAIRNESS BECAUSE WE KNOW

[4. North Ponte Vedra Coastal Storm Risk Management Project: Feasibility Cost Share Agreement.]

NUMBER 4. >> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. DAMON DOUGLAS YOUR COASTAL MANAGER WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY THAT HAS COME TO US FOR AN ARMY OR FEASIBILITY STUDY AT PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

THESE STUDIES TAKE THREE YEARS AT $3 MILLION.

THEIR GENERAL GOAL IS TO LOOK AT THE AREA, EXAMINE ALL OF THE INPUT AND DETERMINE IF THERE IS A BEACH PROJECT THAT CAN BE DONE. AN ARMY OR BEACH PROJECT.

THESE VISIBILITY STUDIES ARE COST SHARED.

IT IS 50 PERCENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND 50 PERCENT ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. IT IS FEASIBLE THAT THERE IS COST SHARE AND WE WILL PROCEED THAT THROUGH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING REQUESTS. WE WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT IS 1.5 MILLION ON THE COUNTY. SO, THE WAY THESE ARE GENERALLY LAID OUT IS THERE IS A SCOPING PHASE, 3 TO 6 MONTHS.

TO COME UP WITH WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY WANT TO

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ONCE THAT IS IN PLACE THEY WOULD SPEAK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT A PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT AND THEY WOULD START PLANNING ENGINEERING AND DESIGN AT THAT POINT IN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT COULD FOLLOW. I HAVE JUST LAID THIS OUT GRAPHICALLY AND YOU SEE THIS IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE FOR THESE DIFFERENT STEPS. WE HAVE COORDINATED OF COURSE WITH THE ARMY CORE STAFF. THEY WON'T PUT TOGETHER THE ACTUAL TEAM UNTIL WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

THEY ARE SAYING IT COULD KICK OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF APRIL IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO GO FORWARD.

PART OF THAT FIRST SCOPING PHASE THAT WE DISCUSSED IS AN ACCESS PLAN. WE NEED TO BASICALLY REASSURE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC BEACH UNLESS THERE IS A FEDERAL INTEREST AND THEY ARE STUDYING THIS SPEECH FOR A PROJECT. SO, WE WILL HAVE A CONSULTANT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A CHANGE ORDER IN PLACE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THIS AREA, HELP US TO FORMULATE THE EXACT RAISING FOR THE ARMY CORE TO SHOW THEM WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS, WHERE WE NEED ACCESS, WHAT KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE THAT WOULD IMPLY WITH THE ARMY CORE REGULATION.

WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT FOR INTERNAL USE WITHIN 30 DAYS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE INITIATION OF THE STUDY, WE WILL BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE TO THE ARMY CORE FORMALLY. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

BACK TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE INTO PUBLIC, AND THEN GO BACK INTO THIS.

>> BOARD MEMBER: PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM FOR.

I SEE AT LEAST ONE CALL IN. GO AHEAD ON THE PHONE.

>> SPEAKER: I AM CALLING IN FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE'S BEACH, FLORIDA. I AGREE WITH THE STUDY AND I HOPE YOU APPROVE THIS STUDY IT IT DOES AKE THREE YEARS AND I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN THE LENGTH OF IT HOWEVER MAYBE THAT IS WHAT IT REQUIRES. COMMISSIONERS I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS.

I TO TELL YOU, ONCE AGAIN, PATRICK MCCORMICK IS WRONG WITH WHAT HE JUST TOLD YOU IT IS TWO SEPARATE ITEMS AND TO BOATING BUT I REALIZE THAT PATRICK MCCORMACK WILL NOT BE HAPPY UNTIL WE ARE IN FRONT OF A LAWYER AT THE COURTHOUSE.

I AM GOING TO HAVE MORE COMMENTS LATER.

THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANOTHER CALL HOLDING? >> SPEAKER: YES SIR.

GOOD MORNING. HELLO.

>> BOARD MEMBER: YES, GO AHEAD SORRY.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> SPEAKER: ED SLAVEN I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE WHICH IS THE SAINT AUGUSTINE NATIONAL HISTORIC SEASHORE WHICH WOULD BRING AS SEVERAL FUNDS TO RETAIN THE BEACHES.

IT WOULD BRING US A FEDERAL ENTITY THAT WOULD PROTECT AND PRESERVE 140,000 ACRES OF CURRENT GOVERNMENT OWNED LAND INTO COUNTIES. AND, IT WAS FIRST PROPOSED IN 1939 THE MAYOR OF SAINT AUGUSTINE AT THE TIME AND INTRODUCED IN THE CONGRESS AND IT HAS GONE NOWHERE.

THE IDEA IS, OUR ECONOMY IS BASED ON TOURISM.

THESE HOMES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WOULD FALL INTO THE OCEAN WITHOUT MORE SAND AND WITHOUT THIS AREA BEING MAINTAINED PERMANENTLY. THE FEDS ARE IN A POSITION IN THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT OUR BEACHES GOOD I LACK TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND I SIMPLY WANT TO SAY WHAT THEY DID WEST OF THE HUNDREDTH MERIDIAN IN THE UNITED STATES YOUR RECLAMATION ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ANTI-ENVIRONMENTAL AND DANGEROUS DESTROYING ECONOMIES AND DOING RATHER

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WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INVOLVED IN THIS MOTION AND THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HERE COULD PARTICIPATE? WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IS A FIELD HEARING. A HEARING FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVES AND WHEN THEY DO A NATIONAL PARK SERVICE STUDY GOING TO COME BACK AND GIVE US AT LEAST THREE RECOMMENDATIONS AND AFTER PUBLIC HEARINGS HERE IN THE COUNTY AND CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS WOULD YOU CONSIDER WHAT SHOULD BE THE SCOPE OF THE NATIONAL PARK AND SEASHORE? I WANT TO TAKE THE LAND THAT MR. DEAN IN MR. HANKINSON REQUIRED FROM THE WATER DISTRICT A BEAUTIFUL 12 MILE SWAMP AND THE OTHER AREAS AND REQUIRE THEM TO PROTECT THEM PERMANENTLY AND FEDERALLY. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU SIR. YES NOW MISS BADGER PLEASE?

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. SHERRY BADGER 2772 S. COLLINS AVENUE. I NOTICED ON THE PAPER THAT HE PRESENTED, PUBLIC ACCESS. PUBLIC ACCESS.

THESE PEOPLE IN PONTEVEDRA HAVE FOUGHT FOR YEARS FOR THAT PUBLIC. OTHER THAN THE ONES WHO LIVE THERE TO USE THIS BEACH. ONCE AGAIN, OBSTACLES WERE PUT IN THE WAY WHEN MR. JUAN CHECK IN EX-EMPLOYEE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY APPROVED A BUNCH OF STUFF IT IS GOING ON WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE PUBLIC AND PUBLIC ACCESS Y'ALL NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PUBLIC ACCESS CAN BE ACCESSED. THANK YOU, GOD BLESS.

>> BOARD MEMBER: >> SPEAKER:

>> BOARD MEMBER: IS THERE A CALLER?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T THINK THEY ANSWERED.

>> BOARD MEMBER: IF THERE IS A CALLER ON THE PHONE, NAME AND ADDRESS AND PROCEED. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? I THINK THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC

COMMENT MR. CHAIRMAN . >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN: IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT?

>> BOARD MEMBER: THIS IS DISTRICT 4 BUT MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS YOU PREFER?

>> CHAIRMAN: THAT IS FINE. LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH FIRST. LET'S PROCEED WITH THE MOTION.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL KNOW TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 83 AUTHORIZING THE CHAIR TO EXECUTE A FEDERAL COST SHARE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY AND FURTHER AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR A DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE ANY SUPPLEMENTAL PAPERWORK OR DOCUMENTATION NECESSARY TO ACCOMPLISH THE OVERALL GOAL TO UTILIZE BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP

AND GENERAL FUND RESERVE. >> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION

FROM MR. DEAN? >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARD TO MR. DOUGLAS IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THE ASSOCIATE STUDY, THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE ORDER TO ADDRESS THE THREE POINTS HERE ON THE PAGE.

MY QUESTION IS THIS REALLY IS THIS TO PROVE WHAT WE HAVE AND DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE PUBLIC ACCESS OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO IMPROVE AND HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DEFINE THIS AS A FEDERAL OR PRIVATE

BEACH? >> SPEAKER: YES SIR.

THE FULL COMMISSION HAS NOT CONVENED FROM THE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS IS FOR THE DURATION OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

WE NEED TO AND AGAIN THIS COULD PCHANGE ONCE WE ACTUALLY GET THERE BUT A CURRENT UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOWARD ADDITIONAL

PUBLIC ACCESS. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS ADDITIONAL PUBLIC ACCESS? THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

WHAT ABOUT THE FUNDING COMPONENT OF THIS? $1 MILLION IN RESERVES AND THE REMAINING BALANCE IS 500,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

IS THAT INTENDED TO BE PAID BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR IS IT THE APPROPRIATION GENERAL FUND THAT WILL NOT BE PAID

BACK? >> SPEAKER: MY DISCUSSIONS WITH

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OF COURSE WE WILL ASK FOR THAT FUNDING AS WELL.

>> CHAIRMAN: ALSO MR. DOUGLAS IS SAYS WE WILL REAPPLY.

HAVE WE DONE IT IN THE PAST AND NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL?

IF SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? >> SPEAKER: THE DET FOR THIS LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE APPLIED FOR THIS MULTIPLE YEARS.

THEY TOLD US IN THE PAST THAT THERE IS NOT A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THE ARMY CORE WORK PLAN AND THEY WILL ADDRESS IT.

WE HAVE CHECKED THAT BOX. LAST YEAR WHEN IT WAS NOT ON THE WORK PLAN THEIR COMMENTS REMOVING IT FROM THE CONSIDERATION WAS THAT THERE WAS NO PUBLIC ACCESS IN THE CRITICALLY ERODED AREA OF THE BEACH.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THAT WAS THE DET COMMENT?

>> SPEAKER: YES SIR. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK I WILL LIVE FOR NOW AND THAT'S ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON NEXT. I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

FOR HIM. >> SPEAKER: I AM THE DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

>> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN I HAD TALKED TO JESSE THIS MORNING AT QUESTIONS ON THE FUNDING. RIGHT NOW ON CATEGORY 5 WE HAVE $1 MILLION IN RESERVES. YES, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY $1

MILLION IN RESERVES. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT IS TO HELP SOUTH PONTEVEDRA ONCE IT KICKS OFF?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S RIGHT. PART OF THAT ASSOCIATION IS WITH THE SOUTH POINT OF THE DRUG PROJECT.

MY DISCUSSIONS WITH DAMON DOUGLAS, WE HAD AN ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 AND TALKING TO MR. DOUGLAS AS EMPLOYEE IT WILL BE THE LATTER PART OF THE FISCAL YEAR IF NOT INTO THE BEGINNING UP NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUT EVEN IF IT IS IN THE LATTER PART OF THIS YEAR I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE A PORTION OF THAT COMING OUT THIS YEAR.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER TO YOU RATHER THAN SITTING ON AN APPROPRIATION FOR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE THAT MAY NOT EXIST THIS YEAR I WOULD SAY I AM COMFORTABLE PUTTING THAT

TOWARDS THIS PROJECT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT ARE OUR ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW FOR CATEGORY 5? I KNOW WE HAVE ONLY GOTTEN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER WOULD YOU

SAY PREVIOUSLY? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT NOW WE SAY AS YOU SAID A WHILE AGO THERE COULD BE FOR THIS CATEGORY WE HAD BUDGETED AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN ANOTHER DISCUSSION. CAUTIOUSLY WE ARE AT ABOUT 1.7 IN RECURRING DOLLARS THEY CAN BE 1.7 TO 2.1 IN THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY. WE HAVE MORE APPROPRIATION IN RESERVE BUT I AM COMFORTABLE SAYING AT THIS POINT WITH THE CATCH UP AND COLLECTION WE SAW IN FISCAL YEAR 20 GOING IN THAT WE CAN UTILIZE THE MILLION THE 500,000 WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. WE'VE SEEN OTHER PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THIS THE STUDY THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THE TDT AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES ON WITH THIS PROJECT THAT THE TDT DOLLARS COME TO FRUITION IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO REPLACE THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE WITH THE TDT APPROPRIATION OR AS SOMEONE MENTIONED WE COULD EVEN POSSIBLY DO A REIMBURSEMENT GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVE A BUDGET PROCESS THAT IS COMING OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND WE WILL KEEP THAT DISCUSSION ALIVE IN TERMS OF THE OTHER HALF MILLION.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION NOT FOR YOU JESSE BUT A QUESTION FOR MR. DOUGLAS. WHAT IF.

WHAT IF PUBLIC ACCESS IS NOT DETERMINED TO BE ADEQUATE CONNECT WHAT HAPPENS THEN? IS THERE OUT FUNDING FOR FEASIBILITY? IS THERE IN YOUR QUEST COMING BACK TO THE BOARD FOR MORE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP MORE ACCESS? WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS

SITUATION? >> SPEAKER: THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION SIR. AS PART OF THIS FIRST PHASE THE SCOPING, THEY HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THERE IS FEDERAL INTEREST. OUR FIRST HURDLE IS TO SHOW THAT YES, THIS IS A PUBLIC BEACH AND YES WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS. AT THAT POINT THE STUDY COULD MOVE FORWARD. THE ARMY CORE WILL BE DRAWING DOWN THESE FUNDINGS ON A FISCAL YEAR BASIS.

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WE WILL HAVE THAT REPORT THAT WILL SHOW THE OPPORTUNITY IF IT IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE TO TAKE ACTION ON ANY OF THE

ALTERNATIVES. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT IT IS A DRAW DOWN OPPORTUNITY AND NOT ALL

UPFRONT. >> BOARD MEMBER: YES SIR.

>> CHAIRMAN: DAMON, BRIEFLY WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THAT REPORT? WHEN WOULD WE EXPECT THAT REPORT ON THE ACCESS?

>> SPEAKER: WE WILL HAVE A DRAFT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF TODAY THE FINAL EXECUTION OF THE CHANGE ORDER IS TODAY.

IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ASSISTING WITH THE ARMY CORE WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY CONVENE THAT TEAM THAT THEY PUT THE STAFF MEMBERS IN PLACE AND WE WILL HAVE THEM LOOK AT THE DRAFT PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY AGREE THAT IT FIRMLY CHECKS THE BUCKS THAT THEY HAVE FOR US.

WITH THOSE COMMENTS WE WILL HAVE THE CONSULTANT PRODUCE A FINAL DRAFT AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THAT TO THE ARMY CORE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE KICKOFF. THAT KICKOFF WE EXPECT TO BE

MID APRIL. >> CHAIRMAN: I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS AND I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN PROTECTING OUR ECONOMY AND OUR WAY OF LIFE AND OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE ARMY CORE AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S HARD WORK ON THIS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE

[5. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-21 Summerlins Commerce Park.]

PLEASE VOTE. IT PASSES 4 ÃONE.

NOW WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5.

>> BOARD MEMBER: MR. CHAIR, THIS IS PART OF THIS.

>> CHAIRMAN: WE START WITH MR. SMITH.

MR. DEAN? MR. WHITEHURST? MR. WALDRON? I HAVE NONE AS WELL.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. KAREN TAYLOR 9777 TARA DOSSETT STREET GOOD I AM HERE FOR THE SUMMER LENS COMMERCE PARK REZONING APPLICATION. ONE OF THE OWNERS IS HERE WITH ME AND IT IS HE AND HIS SON WHO ARE PLANNING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

JUST TO GIVE YOU A LOCATION IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S.

HIGHWAY ONE NORTH. IT IS NORTH OF SUMMERLIN LANE.

A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH FROM GUN CLUB ROAD AND THE REGIONAL AIRPORT. IT IS ACTUALLY TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY. ONE IS 1.28 ACRES IN TOTAL AND THERE IS A .87 AND .41 AND THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY MOBILE HOME THAT WAS VACANT ON THE ONE PARCEL.

FUTURE LAND USE IN THE AREA AS YOU CAN SEE IS PRIMARILY MIXED-USE ALL ALONG THIS SIDE OF U.S.1.

IT DOES STRETCH TO INDUSTRIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL AS AIRPORT DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH AND OF HORSE THERE IS RESIDENTIAL AS YOU GET CLOSE TO THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AND CC3RDOBA PALMS AND A LITTLE FARTHER TO THE NORTH.

ZONING, CURRENT ZONING IS OPEN RURAL.

THE REQUESTED IS FOR COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE.

COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE IS A COMBINATION OF THE NEW COMMISSIONER THAT IS HERE IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR IT IS A HYBRID TYPE OF ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE ALONG WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AS A COMBINATION.

SO, THERE ARE OTHER ZONINGS IN THE AREA, THERE IS BOTH CI, AIRPORT DISTRICT AS WELL AS SOME PUD THAT HAS TO DO WITH COMMERCE PARKS. THIS GETS CLOSER TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA. YOU CAN SEE IT IS AOR TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE WEST ACROSS U.S.1 IS OR AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ZONING IN THE AREA THAT RANGE FROM COMMERCIAL TO AFFERENT RESIDENTIAL'S.

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THIS IS A SITE PLAN AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.

THIS IS A BUILDING ALONG 8500 SQUARE FEET.

6 TO 7 UNITS. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE GARAGE DOORS ALONG THE FRONT AND BECAUSE OF THAT I HAVE INDICATED THIS ALL AS LOADING IN THESE LOADING AREAS ARE DEEP ENOUGH SO THAT YOU CAN PARK YOUR PICKUP TRUCK OR PUT WHATEVER IN FRONT OF THAT AS YOU USE THE GARAGE DOOR AREA.

WE PROVIDE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE FOR THE TRADITIONAL, MEETING ALL THE OTHER TYPES OF STANDARDS.

THERE WILL BE STORM WATER RETENTION IN THE BACK.

WE ARE REQUIRED A 30 FOOT BUFFER ON THE NORTH AND EAST AND A 20 FOOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

THESE ARE SOME PICK YOURS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA.

THIS IS THE SOUTH PROPERTY BOUNDAR THAT IS THE CONTRACTOR'S OFFICE ADJACENT TO US.

THIS IS TO SHOW YOU THE SIGN THERE.

LOOKING NORTH YOU CAN SEE THE VEGETATION AND THIS IS FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THE MOBILE HOME THAT IS STILL ON THE PROPERTY. IT IS NOT, CURRENTLY NO ONE LIVES THERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE MOBILE HOME THAT IS IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE SITE AND SUMMERLIN ROAD IS IN FRONT OF THE OTHER LOTS THAT WE WERE SHOWING.

THIS IS FROM THE CONTRACTORS LOOKING AT SUMMERLIN LANE AND THIS SHOWS THE INTERSECTION THAT U.S.1.

TO THE NORTH IS ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW TRAVELING SOUTH.

AS MENTIONED, THE CW IS A HYBRID ZONE AND ALLOWS FLEXIBILITY AND THAT IS WHAT STEVE AND HIS SON ARE LOOKING FOR. IT COMBINES THE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USE BUT IT DOES'T ALLOW FOR OTHER TYPES OF COMMERCIAL USE LIKE CG OR CN. THIS IS A LOGICAL CONCLUSION.

THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED MIXED USE DISTRICT AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE. WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BUFFERS FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE NOT ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL ACT TO BETTY'S. AND, AGAIN, WE FEEL THAT IT IS VERY COMPATIBLE AND WE WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING THAT WE FEEL IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE DID RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU

MAY HAVE. >> CHAIRMAN: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION COULD YOU SAY IT WAS PASSED BY THE PCA

WHAT WAS IT? >> SPEAKER: 7 Ã0.

>> CHAIRMAN: WHEN WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5. I SEE NO CALL IN.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? PUBLIC COMMENT? I SEE NONE.

I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CHAIRMAN: WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD DECISION. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. IT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD BE GLAD TO.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: ITEM NUMBER 5.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 EIGHT.

A REQUEST TO REZONE A PROXIMALLY 1.2 ACRES OF LAND FROM OPEN RURAL TO COMMERCIAL WAREHOUSE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER

[6. Public Hearing * Transmittal Hearing for COMPAMD 2018-06 a Comprehensive Plan Amendment to amend the Comprehensive Plan Goals, Objectives and Policies to comply Section 163.3177, Florida Statutes, and adoption of the St. Johns County Water Supply Facilities Work Plan.]

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LOOKING AT THE CLOCK IT IS ABOUT 11:25 LET'S MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING, JAN BREWER GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND WE HAVE LARRY MILLER FROM COUNTY UTILITIES.

THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING TO CONSIDER A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IN ORDER TO MEET FOR THE STATUTE 163.

THAT STATUTE REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ADOPT A WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK LAND AND IMPLEMENTING COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. THIS PROCESS STARTED IN 2013.

WHEN COUNTY STAFF, WE DID SEVERAL THINGS TO INITIATE THIS PROCESS. WE FIRST COORDINATED WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THROUGHOUT THE CREATION OF THE WORK PLAN AND THE PROPOSED COMP PLAN POLICIES.

ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY CREATED A GUIDE FOR THE WATER FACILITIES WORK PLAN. THAT GUIDE CREATED AN OUTLINE OF WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE WORK PLAN AND ALSO INCLUDED THE SAMPLE POLICIES FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT THAT. WE ALSO DECIDED TO LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO SEE HOW THEY WERE APPRACHING THE PROCESS AND THEY WERE DOING MUCH OF THE SAME THING COORDINATING WITH THE LOCAL WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND THEN ALSO ANALYZING THEIR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE IF THEY NEEDED ANY AMENDMENTS TO THEIR WORK PLANS.

THAT LED US TO ORGANIZING OUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS YOU ARE FULLY AWARE OF A VERY ROBUST COMPREHENSIVE LAND THAT INCLUDES NUMEROUS POLICIES ON WATER SUPPLY, REUSE SUPPLY AND WATER CONSERVATION. AFTER THE ANALYSIS WE DID DETERMINE THAT SOME POLICIES NEEDED TO BE AMENDED IN ORDER TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTE.

WE ALSO DECIDED THERE WERE SOME POLICIES WE KNOW LONGER NEEDED BECAUSE WE HAD A WORK PLAN. WE ALSO DETERMINED THERE WERE SIX POLICIES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ORDER TO FULLY COMPLY. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS I WANT TO HAND IT OVER TO LARRY.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING. THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN AND TECHNICAL DOCUMENT WAS DRAFTED BY UTILITY DEPARTMENT STAFF AND WE COLLABORATED QUITE A BIT WITH STEVE GIBBONS WITH THE WATER DISTRICTS. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM AND PUT IT ON THE REPORT. THIS REPORT IS INTENDED TO MEET THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT AND WHAT I SEE BEFORE YOU IS THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THE WORK LAND. 1ST AND FOREMOST IS TO IDENTIFY THE WATER SUPPLY SOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED TO MEET OUR CURRENT SUPPLY GOALS.

THE TRADE FOR THIS REPORT IS A 10 YEAR PLANNING TIME THAT WOULD EXPIRE DECEMBER 23. NOTHER KEY ASPECT OF THIS WORK PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REMAIN CONSISTNT WITH OUR REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN THAT THE DISTRICT MAINTAINS.LASTLY THE REPORT WILL CONCLUDE THE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS NEEDED FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS. SO, THE WORK PLAN SUMMARIZES THE PUBLIC SUPPLIERS AND AGREEMENTS IN PLACE BY COUNTY RESIDENTS WITH SAFE, RELIABLE AND POTABLE WATER.

WE DELVES INTO THE PLANNING PROJECTIONS USING DATA FROM THE NEXT 10 YEARS FROM THE NORTH WATER REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN ON THE COUNTY LEVEL AND IT DIGS DEEPER INTO THE COUNTY SERVICE AREA AND THE ANTICIPATED DEMANDS AND NEEDS FOR OUR UTILITY CUSTOMERS AND OUR GROWING AREA.

FOR THE DATA FOR THE COUNTY SYSTEM, WE UTILIZE A WATER RESOURCE PLANNING DATA THAT WE DATED IN 2013.

ONE COMPONENT WORTH MENTIONING IS WE ARE PROPOSING TO A DATE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR POTABLE WATER TO RECOGNIZE RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITIES THAT NEED THE WATER FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN TRADITIONAL POTABLE WATER AND GROUNDWATER DEMANDS ASSOCIATED OR CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WHEN WE IMPLEMENT THESE WATER PROJECTS. THE WORK PLAN ALSO IMPLEMENTS

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UTILITY RATES TO ENCOURAGE WATER CONSERVATION.

THE MORE WATER A CUSTOMER USES THE HIGHER THE RATE SCALE THAT THEY FALL UNDER. IT HELPS BRING IN WATER USE.

OTHER POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ARE COMMUNITY EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH, THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT IS ACTIVELY OUTREACHING VIA FACEBOOK AND TWITTER AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO PROMOTE WATER CONSERVATION MESSAGES. THERE IS A REGULATORY COMPONENT TO THE PRACTICES AND POLICIES AS WELL.

WE HAVE IRRIGATION REQUIREMENTS FROM NEW DEVELOPMENTS TO HELP ENSURE EFFICIENT WATER USE. AND LASTLY, SUPPLIERS ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN WATER LOSS PROGRAMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING EFFICIENTLY.

THE WORK PLAN RECLAIMS WATER SUPPLIERS AND SERVICE AGREEMENTS AND WE TAKE A DEEPER FOCUS ON THE PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY IS PLANNING TO IMPLEMENT OVER THIS 10 YEAR PERIOD.

TO DATE WE HAVE INVESTED $12 MILLION IN WATER STORAGE AND TRANSMISSION PROJECTS. THE WORK PLAN CONCLUDES WITH IDENTIFYING THE NATURAL PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS INITIATED WHEN WE DID THE WATER RESOURCE PLANNING PROCESS A FEW YEARS BACK.

CAN WE TACKLE THAT ENDEAVOR WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS RANGING FROM DESALINIZATION TO WATER SPECIFIC GOALS THROUGH 2040. THIS IS A 10 YEAR WORK CYCLE SO THROUGH 2030 WE WORK WITH THIS PROJECT THAT IS MOST ECONOMICALLY EFFICIENT AND HOPEFULLY GIVES US THE BEST VALUE FOR CONSERVATION RIGHT NOW.

THE GOAL IS TO STRETCH OUR CURRENT SOURCES.

TABLE 13 IN THE REPORT SUMMARIZES THE PROJECT THAT WE FORESEE ADDRESSING THE WATER SUPPLY NEEDS AND THEY RANGE FROM TRADITIONAL WATER PLANNING PROJECT TO THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM AS WELL. TABLE 13 WE IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT FUNDED. OUR BUDGET CYCLE IS ON A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM IN THIS IS A 10 YEAR WINDOW AND WE HAVE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED LATER ON THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED AND JUST TO BE HONEST MAY SHIFT AS TIME WARRANTS DEPENDING ON GROWTH FACTOR, FUNDING AND WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN LATER YEARS. TABLE 14 IS A SUMMARY OR A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN 2019 TO UPDATE THE NORTH WATER RIDGE SUPPLY PLAN.

THE COUNTY WAS A MAJOR STAKEHOLDER IN THE ORIGINAL WATER SUPPLY PROCESS WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

I PERSONALLY ATTENDED ALL OF THE MEETINGS WITH DISTRICT STAFF AND OTHER UTILITIES IN THE AREA TO DEVELOP PROJECTS THAT COULD BE THE ORIGINAL NEEDS.

TABLE 14 SUMMARIZES THOSE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS. WE HAVE 29 PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS ON THAT LIST WITH A HEAVY EMPHASIS OF RECLAIMED WATER IN CONSERVATION.

12 OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED WITH AN ESTIMATED BENEFIT OF 7.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FOR THE REGION.

IN 2019 WE ADDED NINE PROJECTS TO THE LIST THAT WASN'T ORIGINALLY CONCEPTUALIZED WITH THE ORIGINAL WATER PLAN.

WITH THAT THAT COMPLETES MY SECTION OF THIS.

WE DO HAVE A LINK ON THE UTILITY WEBSITE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AS WELL AS ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE

TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS. >> SPEAKER: THAT TAKES US TO THE AMENDMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED TODAY. FIRST AS STATED WE NEED TO ADD SIX POLICIES TO FULLY IMPLEMENT FLORIDA STATUTE 163.

THOSE, WE'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE THE PROPOSED POLICIES AND INCLUDES THE SIX NEW ONES BUT THE ADDITIONAL SLIDES AFTER THAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IS THE PROPOSED POLICY AND THE ITALICIZED TEXT EXPLAINS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE. OR THE PROPOSED POLICY ADDITION OR MODIFYING THE POLICY. THE FIRST ONE IS TO ALLOW THE COORDINATION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN. THE SECOND POLICY IS TO

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WE ADDED A POLICY TO ADOPT THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITY WORK PLAN WHICH IS REQUIRED. WE ADDED A POLICY TO COORDINATE THE COMP PLAN WITH THE REGIONAL SUPPLY PLAN AND ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THE WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS.

THE NEXT ONE REQUIRED US TO REVISE SPECIFICALLY INTERGOVERNMENTAL ELEMENTS TO ENABLE WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT AND IN THE LAST ADDED POLICY WAS TO ACTUALLY SELECT A PROJECT TO IMPLEMENT IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

WITH OUR ANALYSIS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WE REALIZED WE NEEDED UP DATE. THE NEXT ONES ARE MAINLY TO IDENTIFY OR RECOGNIZE THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN IN THE TEXT OR TWO UP DATE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WHICH IS WHAT THESE TWO POLICIES, ONE IS TO RECOGNIZE THE PLAN AND THE OTHER IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE. HERE AGAIN WE ARE UPDATING TO RECOGNIZE THE PLAN INTO ORDINATE WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND PLANNING TO COORDINATE AND CONTINUE SINCE WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT POLICY.

WE UPDATED AGAIN TO THE WATER SUPPLY PLAN AND THEN WE UPDATED TO REFERENCE THE FLORIDA ADMINISTRATIVE CODE.

THIS ONE DATING LEVEL OF SERVICE.

HERE WE ARE ADDING TEXT IN THAT REQUIRES US TO HAVE WATER SUPPLY PRIOR TO US APPROVING ANY DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COUNTY.

WE DO THAT NOW ANYWAY. WE HAVE THEM SUBMIT TO US THE ACTUAL LETTER FROM THE WATER SUPPLIER SAYING THEY HAVE SERVICE. THIS ONE IS TO UP DATE AGAIN WATER SUPPLY PLANS AND TO RECOGNIZE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH OUR CONSUMPTION USE PERMITTING.

HERE WE ARE RECOGNIZING WATER SUPPLY AGREEMENTS AND WE ARE RECOGNIZING DISSIPATION WITH THE WATER SUPPLY PLANNING PROCESS THAT LARRY MENTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG ANYWAY. THEN WE HAD SOME ADDITIONAL CLEANUP WHICH IS UP DATING AGENCY NAMES AND ELIMINATING OBSOLETE POLICIES OR UPDATING SOME OF THE TEXT.

NOW, ALL OF THESE CHANGES ARE ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKET, FULLY EXPLAINED WITH THE STRIKE THROUGH UNDERLINED VERSION.

THESE WERE ALL IN YOUR PACKET TO BEGIN WITH.

THIS WAS HEARD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL 7 Ã 0. THERE WAS ONE COMMENT BY ONE AGENCY MEMBER THAT HAD CONCERNS THAT WE WERE NOT PROTECT BEING OUR FLORIDA AQUIFER RECHARGE AREAS.

WE ASSURED THE MEMBER THAT IT WAS CONTAINED IN GOLD D5 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST PLAN AND SO THAT WAS A POLICY THAT WAS ALREADY IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UPON HEARING THAT AND AS YOU SEE THE AGENCY VOTED 7 Ã02 RECOMMENDS TRANSMITTAL.

STAFF WE RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES IN ADOPTION OF THE WORK PLAN AND THAT CONCLUDES

OUR PRESENTATION. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU.

BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS? STAFF? WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN

THIS UP TO PUBLIC. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE WILL NOW TAKE UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT REGARDING WATER SUPPLY ISSUES.

WE HAVE ONE CALL IN APPARENTLY. ARE YOU ON THE PHONE? NOW IT IS ZERO. IS THERE A CALLER?

>> SPEAKER: YES, HERE I AM CAN YOU HEAR ME? ED SLAVEN CALLING YOUR HONORS ATTENTION TO PRESIDENT BIDEN'S JANUARY 20 2021 EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER 13990.

WHAT EFFORT HAVE YOU INVESTED IN COMPLYING WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL EXECUTIVE ORDER AND WITH THE PRINCIPAL ENVIRONMENT EQUITY IN WATER CONSUMPTION IN THE FUTURE.

I LOOK FOR EQUITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND I SEE NO MENTION OF IT. I THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS OBSOLETE. THE FUNDAMENTAL POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN TITLE VI OF THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT MUST PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES AND HISTORICALLY IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MINORITIES WERE DEPRIVED OF PUBLIC WATER SUPPLIES AND SUBJECTED TO SOME OF THE WORST DRINKING WATER THAT ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN IT WE HAVE PLACES IN THIS COUNTY THAT ARE LIKE THE POLONIA IN THE SOUTH TEXAS BORDER WHERE PEOPLE HAVE NO SEWAGE SERVICE, NO WATER SERVICE AND THEY HAVE SET DICTATES THAT CONTRACTORS NEGLIGENTLY INSTALLED INTO THE FAMILY WATER SUPPLY AND FAMILY

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JOHN'S COUNTY GOING TO TAKE A STAND FOR EXECUTIVE ORDER 13990 AND POSTPONE THIS TO A FURTHER MEETING WHEN WE CAN INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE EPA MOST IMPORTANTLY WHEN OUTREACH IS BEEN DONE TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WHO DON'T HAVE THE WATER SERVICE HAD ALL THOSE FOLKS BEING CONSULTED AND IS THERE A PROPER ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ARE WE REALLY LISTENING TO THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE? WE DO A LOT OF THINGS FOR PONTEVEDRA BUT FOR EVERY SINGLE ITEM THE COUNTY DOES I ATTENDED A VIRTUAL U.S. PROGRAM ON ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE OVER THE WEEKEND AND THERE WAS A TERM THAT REALLY STOOD OUT TO ME. WHERE IS THE EQUITY ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF WHERE ARE WE PUTTING THE MONEY AND WHO ARE WE HELPING AND WHO ARE WE HURTING AND WHO ARE WE HURTING BY DEPRIVING THEM OF BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE RIGHT TO WATER AND SEWAGE SERVICE. I THINK ST. JOHN'S COUNTY NEEDS TO DO MORE AND WE NEED TO KICK BACK BECAUSE IF WERE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT EQUITY ANALYSIS GOING TO TALK ABOUT TITLE VI AND THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND HAVE ALREADY FILED ANOTHER CONCERN WAS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT APPEARED WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER THAN THIS DOCUMENT. I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, ENVIRONMENTAL EQUITY AND RIGHTING THE WRONGS OF PAST SECTIONS WHERE THEY DEPRIVED PEOPLE OF DECENT WATER AND SEWER SERVICE.

DID Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? HELLO?

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. IS THERE ANOTHER CALLER?

>> SPEAKER: TOM REYNOLDS. SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA.

I WANT TO TELL YOU WHO I PUT ALL MY FAITH IN IN THIS SUBJECT.'M GOING TO PUT ALL MY FAITH IN JEB SMITH DECISION.

THAT'S WHOSE DECISION I WANT TO WATCH.

FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN GOING IN JEB SMITH HAS BEEN A COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND HE'S ALWAYS HELD WATER AT A HIGH PRIORITY. HE KNOWS ABOUT WATER FROM BEING A FARMER. I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY SAID BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU, TO POSTPONE THINGS SOMETIMES AND RELY ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, I WANT TO BE ALIVE WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE THAT IS WHY IF YOU COMMISSIONERS FEEL THAT THIS IS REALLY WHERE WE SHOULD BE AT, I NEED TO VOTE YES BECAUSE I TELL YOU SOMETHING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME SERIOUS WATER PROBLEMS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND FOR THE LIFE OF ME HOW DESALINATION PLANTS ARE BEING BUILT EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW BUT ANYWAYS COMMISSIONERS OPIE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT HOME DOING YOUR HOMEWORK ON THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT COULD HELP SAVE YOU IN HISTORY HERE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VERY GOOD HISTORY. THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AND PLEASE, PLEASE DO WHATEVER YOU CAN FOR CLEAN WATER IN THE

FUTURE. >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. IS THAT ALL THE COLLINS? IT APPEARS THAT IS ALL THE CALL IN. LET'S START AGAIN WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDITORIUM.

>> SPEAKER: BJ COLEY WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS WILL THIS GO TO ANY STATE AGENCY TO APPROVE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE? BECAUSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE CONVERSATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT LIVING IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE THEY HAVE WORKED ON THE COMP PLAN AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND SOME THINGS WERE RIGHT SO THEY HAD TO FIX IT UP AND SEND IT BACK UP. I THINK ON THE COMP PLAN YOU HAVE TO BUT IF MISS BREWER OR IF MR. MILLER WOULD LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHEN YOU PASS THIS, WILL OTHER AGENCIES AT THE FEDERAL OR STATE LEVEL, FORGET ABOUT THE FEDERAL.

THE STATE LEVEL GIVE AN OKAY TO THIS IN THE COMP PLAN?

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: SHERRY BADGER SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD PERSON WHO VOTED NO BECAUSE HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE AQUIFER RECHARGES IT SELF. I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO BE DONE ON THIS.

BACK IN THE 1950S WHEN WALT DISNEY CAME TO SAINT AUGUSTINE TO SEE IF HE COULD ESTABLISH A PLACE TO MAKE DISNEY WORLD HE

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IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN AQUIFER TO BUILD IT UP THE AQUIFER IS NOT GOING TO RECHARGE ITSELF AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE WATER. GOD BLESS.

>> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 6? I THINK THAT CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> CHAIRMAN: MR. VICE CHAIR ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? TWO I HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT AND I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF. I KNOW MANY PEOPLE HERE AND PROBABLY ASKED DON'T GET NEARLY AS EXCITED BECAUSE I KNOW ABOUT WATER SUPPLY AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF WATER CONSERVATION AND RECLAMATION I HAPPEN TO SPEND 21 YEARS IN THE FIELD SO THIS IS MY EXCITING MOMENT. I WANT TO SAY THIS.

AFTER WE HAD A SERIES OF SEVERE DROUGHT IN 90 AND 91 THE STATE LEGISLATURE STEPPED UP BECAUSE THE POPULATION HAD DRAMATICALLY INCREASED FROM 70 TO 71 WHEN WE HAD A SEVERE DROUGHT.

THE POPULATION ALMOST TRIPLED IN 91.

THE LEGISLATURE DIRECTED ALL FIVE DISTRICTS, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS TO ADOPT REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLANS.

WE STARTED ON A PATH WORKING VERY CLOSELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH EACH COUNTY. FOR EXAMPLE IN ST. JOHN COUNTY THEY ARE ONE OF 19 COUNTIES WITHIN THE ST. JOHN RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. I STARTED WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE STATE ON COUNTY AND THEY ARE GOING TO SAY EITHER THE BEST OR NEAR THE BEST COUNTIES IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH 19 COUNTIES IN THE AREA BY BEING PROACTIVE IN STEPPING UP AND ADOPTING CONSERVATION METHODS AND ADOPTING REUSE THEY IMPLEMENTED MAJOR RECLAMATION, WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS AND WE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THE ST. JOHN COUNTY IN HISTORY THAT THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN SOME OF THE SPEAKERS ADDRESSED THIS, IN ORDER TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL QUALITY OF LIFE FOR YEARS TO COME FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY IT IS NOT THE MOST EXCITING ISSUE BUT TRUST ME, WE MADE A SUSTAINABLE AND REASONABLY PRICED WATER SUPPLY WHICH IS SAFE AND OF HIGH QUALITY.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE AND FRANKLY I WANT TO MENTION I WANT TO ADDRESS EQUITY FOR A SECOND AND IN MY OPINION THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT PROVIDE MORE EQUITY TO EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY REGARDLESS OF THEIR SOCIAL CLASS OR CLASS STANDING.

EQUITY HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE A REASONABLY LOW-PRICED SUSTAINABLE DRINKING WATER SUPPLY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IN REGARDING EQUITY FOR THIS COUNTY AND WE HAPPEN TO HAVE IT. WE HAVE A GREAT STAFF AND YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB, ALL OF YOU.

I CAN MOVE THIS UNLESS WE HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS.

>> CHAIRMAN: ARE THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE RECHARGE. YOU ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THAT .

>> BOARD MEMBER: LET ME SAY THIS.

WE HAVE THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT WITH THE COUNTY THAT HAS MAPPED ALL OF THE RECHARGE AREA.

NOT JUST RECHARGE BUT LEVELS OF RECHARGE AND WE HAVE A VERY SUFFICIENT, IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY WE HAVE SUFFICIENT RECHARGE FOR A VERY LONG TIME OUT WITH A SUFFICIENT RECHARGE WATER SUPPLY FOR THE COUNTY. WE MIGHT NEED OVERTIME ADDITIONAL TREATMENT BECAUSE THE DEEPER WE GO THE MORE TREATMENT WE ARE REQUIRED. IT'S NOT SERIOUS IT IS VERY

MANAGEABLE. >> CHAIRMAN: UNDERSTOOD AND TO CLARIFY THIS IT IS A TRANSMITTAL?

>> BOARD MEMBER: YES MR. CHAIR THAT IS CORRECT.

AS A MAY ADD THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT TRANSMITTING TO THE STATE THAT IT IS TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STATE AGENCIES THAT REVIEW AND WILL RETURN COMMENT IF ANY BACK TO THE COUNTY.

>> CHAIRMAN: PART OF THE ANALYSIS IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL

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BACK TO THE BOARD IS THERE A MOTION?

>> BOARD MEMBER: YES I MOVED A MOTION TO APPROVE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP PLAN AMENDMENT 20 1806 AND THE WATER ADOPTION SUPPLY.

>> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. DEAN IN A SECOND BY MR. WALDRON.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I SEE NONE. GO AHEAD AND VOTE AND THAT PASSES 5 Ã0. THANK YOU STAFF. WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANT TO WEIGH IN ON A NUMBER OF AGENDA ITEMS. LET ME ASK THE BOARD FOR THE

[7. Second Reading of Amendments to Noise Ordinance.]

BREAK OR MOVE FORWARD? >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M READY TO

MOVE FORWARD . >> CHAIRMAN: MOVE FORWARD? MR. SMITH. OKAY.

MR. WALDRON? WE ARE GOING TO DRIVE ON.

NUMBER 7? THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

BRADLEY PAUL TICE HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 7 WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE. ON 19 JANUARY THE BOARD HEARD THE FIRST READING ON THESE AMENDMENT.

VERY BASICALLY THEY ADD A GRANDFATHERING PROVISION FOR A CERTAIN LONG-STANDING AND CONTINUOUS OPERATION ON AN INJURED DRIVE WHICH IS OFF OF U.S.1 NORTH OF THE CITY.

IT ALSO MAKES MINOR CHANGES TO CLARIFY THAT THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE OTHER LISTED PROPERTIES ARE AUTOMATICALLY GRANDFATHERED AS WELL AS THESE PROPERTIES HAVING TO RESIDE OF PROOF OF GRANDFATHERING FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER I BELIEVE THEY ARE HERE AND THEY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS I'VE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS OR CORRESPONDENCE.

SO, THE MOTION WOULD BE TOO ADOPT OR TO DENY THESE AMENDMENTS AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> CHAIRMAN: OKAY, THANK YOU. WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND OPEN

IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7 RIGHT NOW I SEE NO CALLS LEADING.

LET'S PROCEED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE.

IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7? PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 7? THE NOISE ORDINANCE? I SEE NO PUBLIC COMMENT AND I SEE NO CALL IN.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED ON THIS AGENDA ITEM WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION OR A MOTION?

>> BOARD MEMBER: I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION IF THERE

AREN'T ANY QUESTIONS. >> CHAIRMAN: PLEASE.

>> BOARD MEMBER: MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 Ã9 AMENDING SECTION 7 GRANDFATHERING ORDINANCE OF

2015 Ã19. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND.

>> CHAIRMAN: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY MR. SMITH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENT? I SEE NONE.

PLEASE VOTE YOUR. >> SPEAKER: CAN WE PLEASE DO A

[8. FY 2022 Board of County Commissioners Budget Calendar and Initial Budget Guidelines.]

VOICE VOTE? >> CHAIRMAN: COMMISSIONER SMITH? COMMISSIONER DEAN? MR. WHITEHURST? MR. WALDRON AND I AM A YES AS WELL AND THAT PASSES 5 Ã0. THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

JESSE DUNN DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET BRINGING FORTH TO YOU THIS MORNING OUR BUDGET GUIDELINES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022. THIS GENERALLY REPRESENTS THE KICKOFF FOR OUR BUDGET PROCESS THAT IS A NINE-MONTH PROCESS COULD LET'S GET BACK INTO THIS PRESENTATION OBJECTIVE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF LAST YEAR AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW TO BRING IT BACK AS A REMINDER OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE SCHOOL YEAR 2021 AS FAR AS OUR TAXABLE VALUES AND REVENUES PAND SOME OF OUR RESERVES AND THEN WE WILL GET INTO WHT WE ARE ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW. IT IS A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS FROM YEAR TO YEAR. THIS IS A SCALED DOWN VERSION OF THE OVERALL CALENDAR. TODAY BEGIN WITH THE BUDGET GUIDELINES. AFTER THIS PROCESS WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP TO OUR BUDGET SOFTWARE BETWEEN MARCH AND SEPTEMBER WITH THE FIRST CAPTURE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS

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SOME SAY IT IS INFORMATIVE. SOME SAY WE ARE RIGHT AND SOME SAY WE ARE WRONG. WE WILL GO THROUGH EVERY LINE ITEM OF THE BUDGET.UNE ONE WE WILL RECEIVE THE INITIAL PROPERTY APPRAISER'S EVALUATION.

THAT IS OUR FIRST STATUTORY REQUIREMENT IN THIS PROCESS.

EVERYTHING THAT WE DO UP TO THIS POINT IS REALLY ST. JOHN COUNTY IN THE WAY THAT THE COMMISSIONS LIKE TO SEE THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IT IS MORPHED OVER THE YEAR AND IT IS REALLY A VERY GOOD PROCESS. IN JULY WE WILL GET WHAT IS THE SECOND STATUTORY REQUIREMENT THAT IS THE CERTIFIED PROPERTY EVALUATION AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REALLY TAKES IT'S FIRST ACTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS. ITS FIRST LEGAL ACTION AND THAT IS SETTING THE TENTATIVE VILLAGE RATES.

WE WILL GO THROUGH DISCUSSIONS ON EVERYTHING, UTILITIES, AMPHITHEATER, SOLID WASTE. DIFFERENT PRICING ON REQUEST, ETC.. REAL FIRST ACTION IS SETTING THOSE TENTATIVE RATES IN JULY. THOSE TENTATIVE RATES, THAT INITIATES WHAT IS WHAT IS CALLED THE TRIM NOTICE WHICH IS WHAT YOUR TAXES, IT IS A PRETAX BILL IF YOU WILL IS GENERATED IN AUGUST AND THEN THERE AFTER WE GO THROUGH INTO THE MIDDLE OF HURRICANE SEASON AS WE HAD HAD SOME CLOSE CALLS AS WE HAVE SAID. WE ARE HOPING IT GOES SMOOTHLY THIS YEAR. GOING BACK TO 2021.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS, MILLAGE RATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAXES WERE APPROPRIATE IN THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE ROLLBACK RATES LAST YEAR IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE GENERAL FUND TRANSPORTATION FIRE DISTRICT, HEALTH FUND AND SOME OF THE SMALLER FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

REALLY, WE WERE AT A VERY GOOD POSITION TO DO THAT.

I BELIEVE WE WERE IN A HEALTHY POSITION AND THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AND WE WILL GET RIGHT BACK INTO THE PROCESS AGAIN THIS YEAR. CERTAINLY, COVID-19 WAS A BIG STORY FOR US DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS LAST YEAR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION ALONG WITH THE COMMISSION HAD TASKED OWO&B. AND AS WE SAW FIT.

CERTAINLY THE AMPHITHEATER WHERE HE SOUGHT THE EVENTS TO DROPPING OFF TO ALMOST NONEXISTENT WE ALSO BROUGHT THOSE EXPENDITURES IN AS WELL. THE INTENT WAS NOT JUST DURING COVID-19 TO FUND OUR OPERATIONS OUT OF OUR RESERVES.

IT WAS A NO NO FOR US. IF THE REVENUE DROP DOWN THE ANTICIPATION IS THAT THE EXPENSES AND ACTIVITIES WOULD ALSO DROP DOWN. WE LANDEDTHAT VERY SUCCESSFULLY IN 2020. DURING LAST YEAR'S PROCESS AND WE WILL CONTINUE THIS THIS YEAR AS WELL.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE REVENUE PROJECTIONS PERHAPS IN SALES TAX, GAS TAX, TDT TAX, ANY REVENUE WE RELY ON AND WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE BEHAVIORAL CHANGES WOULD BE.

WE ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR THE CONTINGENCY RESERVE AND CERTAINLY IN A NORMAL PROCESS WE ADOPTED PERSONNEL VEHICLES, COMPUTER, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, ANY CIP FUNDING AND WE BEGAN THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN MAY. WE TRACKED ALL ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE COUNTIES COVID-19 RESPONSE AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE SUMMER WE SAW THE INTRODUCTION OF CARES SO WE CAPTURED ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES MOVING IN FROM 20 TO 21. HE SOUGHT A MULTIYEAR REDUCTION TO 0 FOR FISCAL YEAR 21 WHICH IS QUITE SUCCESSFUL OF THE BOARD'S CONTINUED FUNDING AND ALSO THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEES AND THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE TO REALLY SHARE THE DISSIPATION AND HEALTHCARE COST AND WE CONTINUE TO SEE THAT.

THAT WAS QUITE A SUCCESS FOR 2021.

AND, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING A ZERO PERCENT EMPLOYER

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AS WELL LAST YEAR ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAME DIRECTIVE THE COMMISSION HAS PROVIDED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE SAW A 10% REDUCTION OF HEALTH CARE EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. ANOTHER SUCCESS OF THE COMMISSION. THAT WAS UNFORTUNATELY OVERSHADOWED BY COVID-19. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OR EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

WE PRESERVE HEALTHY RESERVES. MAINTAIN THE COUNTY'S AA-PLUS CREDIT RATINGS AND RESERVES BEING -- ONE MOST SIGNIFICANT WILL BE THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE WHICH ALLOWS US CERTAINLY WHEN WE GET INTO HURRICANE SEASON WHICH IS OUR DISASTER RECOVERY. OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND AND THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS LAST YEAR BEING THE -- SORT OF THE EXCEPTION WITH HURRICANE MATTHEW AND IRMA, WE FOUND OURSELVES CERTAINLY LEVERAGING THOSE GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

SO IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE RESERVES.

I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES THAT DID NOT FIND OURSELVES BORROWING IN RESPONSE TO A HURRICANE TO ADDRESS THE HURRICANE RESPONSE. SO CERTAINLY, AGAIN, HEALTHY, GOOD POSITION THAT WE ARE IN COMING INTO '20-'21.

THE TAXABLE VALUE WATT 11.13%. I ALWAYS LIKE TO PAUSE ON THIS.

WE MAY CHANGE THIS, BUT THIS -- THIS PICTURE OR DEPICTION IN MOVING IN THE FUTURE. BUT CERTAINLY IT HAS BEEN A LONG RIDE. USUALLY WE SEE THAT THIS GRAPHIC TELLS A STORY OF PREPROPERTY TAX REFORM WHERE COUNTIES IN FLORIDA WHEN THEY WERE GROWING WOULD EXPERIENCE SIGNIFICANT GROWTH. USED TO EXPERIENCE 22%, 26% GROWTH. PROPERTY TAX REFORM CHANGED THAT. THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME CAPS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, NONRESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, BUT AFTER THAT, WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A RECESSION WHERE WE ARE CERTAINLY DEALING WITH AND NEED TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT A DEVALUATION.

AND THEN MOVING FROM 2014 UP, WE HAVE CERTAINLY SEEN SOME HEALTHY GROWTH THERE. SO WE WENT WHAT WE WERE THINKING ROUGHLY 9% TO 10%. AND EXPERIENCED 11.1% GROWTH IN OUR TAXABLE VALUES. EVEN WITH ROLL-BACK RATES WHICH THE COMMISSION, AGAIN, APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER, WE STILL SAW SOME HEALTHY, INCREMENTAL PROPERTY TAXES.

$5.6 MILLION TO THE GENERAL FUND WILL BE NET THE TIF DOLLARS, TRANSPORTATION INCREMENTAL $1 MILLION, FIRE DISTRICT INCREMENTAL $1.6 MILLION.

CERTAINLY GOOD NEWS. GENERAL FUND RESERVES.

WE MAINTAINED, AGAIN, ABOVE OUR BBC POLICY RESERVES AND UNRESTRICTED RESERVE OF $11.2 MILLION.

AGAIN NECESSARY FOR OUR RESPONSES IF AND WHEN WE FIND OURSELVES IN A HURRICANE RESPONSE AGAIN.

THAT WAS A VERY QUICK SPEED ROUND OF 2021.

I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THIS IT WAS CERTAINLY SLOWER MORE IN DETAILED PROCESS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND AGAIN THIS IS A NINE-MONTH PROCESS. WE WILL OPEN UP OUR SOFTWARE IN MARCH AND GET RIGHT BACK INTO IT.

IT IS DETAILED. AND I LOOK FORWARD AS I DO EVERY YEAR PHONE CALLS AND THE E-MAILS, KEEP THEM COMING FOR CERTAIN THE QUESTIONS THAT ARISE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT ALSO PROPERTY APPRAISER EDDIE KRAMER REALLY SET UP A NEW PROCESS. BEGINNING LAST YEAR WHERE HE HAS -- THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED -- HIS TEAM ESTABLISHED, I GUESS, A LIVE ACTION, IF YOU WILL, AN UPDATEABLE VALUATION REPORT THAT CAN BE FOUND -- THAT IS ACCESSIBLE.

IN THE PAST, WE HAD TO KIND OF PROJECT OUR BEST NUMBER AND WE WOULD WAIT FOR THE ENVELOPE PLEASE IN JUNE AND JULY TO FIND OUT IF WE WERE RIGHT ON PAR WHERE WE THOUGHT VALUATION WOULD COME IN. NOW THAT WE GET AN UPDATE I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE EVERY SECOND MONDAY, EVERY OTHER MONDAY IT IS UPDATED. AND CURRENTLY AS OF THIS PAST UPDATE, WE ARE SEEING A $8.67% INCREASE IN OUR TAXABLE VALUES.

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SO AT 8.67%, WE WOULD SEE THESE INCREMENTAL REVENUES FOR OUR LARGER MILLAGE FUNDS. AND THIS IS AT 95% WHICH IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR OUR BUDGET AND PROPERTY TAXES.

WE WOULD SEE $11.9 MILLION INCREMENTAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND THE CRA BY THE DISTRICT FUND ANOTHER 3.5.

AGAIN THESE ARE INCREMENTAL. THE FINAL COLUMN WILL BE THE TOTAL PROPERTY TAXES FOR THEM. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. INCREMENTAL 11.9 AND SEE ABOUT $150 MILLION IN GENERAL FUND. FIRE DISTRICT 42.4.

TRANSPORTATION TRUST, 2.2 MILLION DOLLAR INCREMENTAL WITH A -- WITH A TENTATIVE AT 27.6. I AM GOING TO -- CERTAINLY GOING TO PROVIDE AN ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT THIS IS CERTAINLY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. LAST YEAR WE PUT -- I THINK IT WAS A 9% AT THIS TIME AND CAME IN AT 11.1%.

SO IF I MAY, I ANTICIPATE IT IS GOING TO INCREASE FROM 8.67%.

IF I PUT A 10% VALUATION IN THERE, WHICH I AM CERTAINLY NOT READY FOR, BUT, AGAIN, AS WE GET THESE WEEKLY OR BIWEEKLY UPDATES THESE WILL CHANGE. THE MAY MUDGE WORKSHOPS.

AND 10%. GENERAL FUND 11.9 WILL COME IN 13.7. ANOTHER ALMOST $2 MILLION GOING FROM 8.67 WITH 10%. ALL BETS ARE THERE CERTAINLY TO SEE HOW WE COME IN, BUT, AGAIN, WE WAIT ULTIMATELY FOR THE JUNE 1 AND THE JULY 1 FOR THAT CERTIFIED VALUE.

BUT CERTAINLY THIS IS -- WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. CERTAINLY WE ARE SEEING THE VALUATION AS WELL AS ASSOCIATED -- WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY ASSOCIATED BUT GROWTH AS WELL AS INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUATIONS. BUDGET GUIDELINES.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR ON THIS.

WE ARE GOING TO REVIEW RECURRING OPERATING BUDGETS, I SAY WITH CONSIDERATION FOR INFLATION LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

WE CERTAINLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE. THERE IS NO AUTOMATIC INCREASES ON OPERATIONS. WE USED TO SAY UP TO 2%.

AND THERE WAS A -- A MISPERCEPTION THAT EVERYONE WAS GETTING ON THEIR OPERATING COST 2% AND THAT IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE. WE WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME INFLATIONARY AREAS. SOME ARE MORE THAN 2%.

SOME DON'T REQUIRE ANY PERCENTAGE INCREASE THERE.

WE WILL LOOK AT POTENTIAL INFLATIONARY RATES THAT ARE OUT THERE. CERTAINLY WE ARE ALWAYS DEALING WITH HOW THE INSURANCE COMES IN.

THESE ARE THE ONES WE ARE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT.

UTILITY COSTS AND FUEL COSTS. RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT I LOOK AT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE WILL SEE INCREASES IN FUEL COSTS AND WE WILL KEEP THOSE IN MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE ARE NOT -- AGAIN, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SHOOTING FROM THE HIP IN THIS. YOU ARE PLANNING FOR THE NEXT YEAR. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE FUEL PRICES WILL BE, AS AN EXAMPLE NEXT OCTOBER, NEXT NOVEMBER, BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO PLAN FOR IT AND KEEP AN EYE ON WHAT THESE DIFFERENT INDEXES ARE -- ARE LOOKING LIKE.

SPEAKING OF INDEXING, AS -- AS KIND OF A RULE OF THUMB OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE USED WHAT IS CALLED AN EMPLOYMENT COST INDEX ECI FOR WAGES AND SALARIES SPECIFIC TO STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS FOR THIS YEAR.

THE ANNUAL RATE FOR THE MONTH ENDING DECEMBER -- SPECIFICALLY DECEMBER 2020 IS 1.8%. AS WE GET INTO, AGAIN, THE MAY DISCUSSIONS, AND ULTIMATELY TO THE JULY RECOMMENDED BUDGET, WE WILL LOOK AT PROGRAMMING CONSIDERATIONS FOR LICENSURES, INDUSTRY MARKET WATCH PROMOTION IT IS ANY, AND CONSIDERATION FOR MERIT PAY. THE OTHER INDEX THAT WE USE.

AND, AGAIN, REALLY TO THE SUCCESS OF THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH INSURANCE PARTICIPATION AND OUR LOW OPEB.

OUR 0% OPEB AND 10% HEALTH INSURANCE REDUCTION IS REALLY A SHARED PARTICIPATION IN THE INCREASE OF THE COST OF THE EMPLOYER, EMPLOYEE AND RETIREE AND THAT RATE THAT WE HAVE BEEN

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WE WILL CERTAINLY START THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEE. WITH EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON THE HEALTH INSURANCE COMMITTEE FOR THAT KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A CAP OF ALL PARTICIPATION TO INCREASE BY 3.1% 0% MOVING FORWARD EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION FOR OPEB AND STATE PARTICIPATION AND WE WILL RECEIVE THOSE THROUGH THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION SOME TIME IN APRIL BEFORE THE MAY DISCUSSIONS. WE WILL MAINTAIN COMPENSATION RATES WHICH WERE LOWERED IN 2021.

FOR THOSE FAMILIAR ARE THE PROCESS CONTINUE FUNDING FOR CAPITAL. SHOULD BE A COMMA AFTER THAT, CAPITAL AND REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT.

FIVE-YEAR COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS AND EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AS WELL. INCORPORATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROJECT, CIP, WHERE AVAILABLE.

MAINTAIN OUR RESERVES A WEEK AWAY FROM RESERVES AND FOR OUR PURPOSE, WE ARE STILL IN A COVID-19 RESPONSE.

WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES ON HALF-CENT SALES TAX, GAS TAXING TOWARD DEVELOPMENT TAX AND IMPACT F FEES. I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE CERTAINLY SOME ARTICLES OUT THERE THAT FLORIDA IS CERTAINLY -- THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS WITH SALES TAX.

JUST ACTIVITIES. ST. JOHNS COUNTY REALLY IS DOING QUITE WELL ACTUALLY FOR IT.

WE RESPONDED LAST YEAR. SOME WOULD SAY THAT WE WERE CONSERVATIVE. I WOULD SAY WE WERE CAUTIOUS FOR HALF-CENT SALES TAX. DEVELOPMENT TAXES.

ALWAYS TWO MONTHS BEHIND THESE REMITTANCES COME -- THERE IS A DELAY OF TWO MONTHS. WE SAW REALLY WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED. WE BEAT THAT IN TERMS OF OUR ACTUAL HALF-CENT SALES TAX. TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAXES.

EVEN GAS TAX. WE ARE CERTAINLY SEEING A LOWER AMOUNT OF GAS TAX. MAYBE A BEHAVIORAL THING.

INITIALLY WHEN COVID-19 HAPPENED, WE DID SEE SOME SIGNIFICANT BEHAVIORAL CHANGES IN OUR HALF-CENT SALES TAX.

QUITE FRANKLY PEOPLE'S ACTIVITIES -- I WOULDN'T SAY COMPLETELY CEASED, BUT CERTAINLY CAUTIOUS IN ANY OF THOSE ACTIVITIES AND TRANSLATE TO HALF-CENT TAX COMMITTED TO THE COUNTY. IN MY OPINION THE GOVERNOR'S DECISION TO KEEP FLORIDA OPEN REALLY WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE.

IF YOU RECALL YOURSELVES GO INTO A LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT ON WEEKEND. YOU SAW THE ACTIVITY THERE.

YOU SAW THEM GETTING OUT THERE. IN FACT THAT IS ONE OF THE ACTIVITIES. PEOPLE WERE WORKING ON THEIR HOMES OR CHANGING OUT THE SH SHRUBS OR KIND OF STAYING CLOSER TO HOME. BUT PEOPLE WERE CERTAINLY SPENDING, AND WE SAW OUR H HALF-CENT SALES TAX CERTAINLY PICK UP TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO, AGAIN, A GOOD YEAR FOR THE COUNTY.

AND CERTAINLY HOPE AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THE COVID-19 RESPONSE AND VACCINATION, WE ARE STILL SEEING VERY STRONG ACTIVITIES THERE. I ANTICIPATE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME -- SOME PRETTY SOLID PICK-UPS FROM FISCAL YEAR -- EVEN FROM LAST YEAR'S PROJECTIONS AS WELL AS THIS YEAR, WHAT -- AGAIN, WE WERE CAUTIOUS WHAT WE SAW AND ACTIVITIES FOR -- FOR SOME OF THESE -- THESE STATE REMITTED REVENUES THAT I THINK WE WILL SEE PICK-UPS IN THERE AS WELL.

I THINK WE HAVE SOME STRONG REVENUES.

ONE-TIME REVENUES GOING INTO '22.

WE SEEM TO EXPERIENCE FROM YEAR TO YEAR -- AND I TRY NOT TO RELY ON THOSE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER REVENUES GOING BACK IN.

I DON'T LIKE THE PLAN WITHOUT SOMEONE ELSE'S REVENUES SO WE GENERALLY HAVE A PICK-UP THERE AND THIS YEAR I THINK WE SAW THE TAX COLLECTOR BROUGHT IN 3 MILLION MORE THAN WE HAD BUDGETED AND IS SIGNIFICANT PICK UP.

HALF INCH SALES TAX FOR THE GENERAL FUND WAS $2 MILLION

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SO REALLY WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION.

SO WITH THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE END.

IT IS JUST A KICKOFF. I DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION. THIS IS JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

BEGINS REALLY ABOUT MARCH 1. AND IF THERE ARE ANY -- ANY DIRECTION THE COMMISSION OR -- I WILL BE HAPPY -- HAPPY TO HEAR IT. NO ACTION REQUIRED TODAY.

[9. Consider appointments to the Housing Finance Authority.]

THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, JESSE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD.

THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD JESSE DUNN THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>> TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS, ITEM NUMBER 9 BEFORE IS YOU TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY. OF COURSE THIS BOARD IS CREATED PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 159 PART IV FOR THE PURPOSE OF RELIEVING SHORTAGE OF PORTABLE HOUSING FACILITY AND PROVIDE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN FACILITIES FOR LOW, MODERATE AND MIDDLE INCOME FAMILIES WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THIS IS A SEVEN-MEMBER BOARD AND NOT LESS THAN THE MEMBERS BE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN LABOR, COMMERCE AND FINANCE.

CURRENTLY TWO VACANCIES ON THIS BOARD.

ONE IS DUE TO THE REST SIGNIFICANCE NATION OF MR. RICHTER RAYMOS AND THE SECOND TO THE EXPIRED TERM OF JAY KALTER. A REVIEW FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IS A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

THREE APPLICATIONS BUT SINCE CONSTRUCTING THIS THAT MR. JAY KALTER MOVED OUT OF THE AREA AND HE RESCINDED HIS APPLICATION. BEFORE YOU ARE THE TWO APPLICATIONS OF MR. ANDREW E EVANER AND MR. ERICK SAKS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE TWO VACANCIES.

WE DID ADVERTISE THE END OF LAST YEAR FOR FOUR WEEKS FOR THIS POSITION AND THAT IS THE BASICS OF THIS ITEM.

I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> CHAIRMAN: THANK YOU, MISS LUND QVIST.

LET'S OPEN THIS TO PUBLIC. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM NUMBER OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. IT APPEARS WE HAVE TWO CALLS WAITING. GO AHEAD IF YOU WERE CALLING IN. NAME AND ADDRESS.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CARL REYNOLDS 50 BRIG DEAN COURT. FIRST OFF, I WITH A TONIGHT THANK OF THE PEOPLE WHO GIVE THEIR TIME FOR THESE BOARDS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T WANT ANY OF THEM.

BUT I KNOW IT IS A LOT OF WORK AND I DO KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE TIME FOR THESE THINGS.

I AM REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF IT. I HOPE YOU ARE TOO.

I HOPE WHEN YOU SEE THESE PEOPLE, YOU THANK THEM.

ANYBODY WHO APPLIED FOR THIS. I GOT TO MENTION ONE THING.

I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED YOU DIDN'T TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 8, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT IS NOT A VOTING ITEM, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO. I DID WANT TO TAKE TIME TO COMMENT ON WHAT A GREAT JOB THAT JESSE DUNN DID ON THAT.

HE WAS THOROUGH AND I ENJOYED VERY BIT OF THAT PRESENTATION AND I WILL BE STRAIGHT WITH YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

YEARS AGO, I DIDN'T ANY JESSE DUNN WOULD CUT THE NEWSIER BUT ONE OF THE SHARPEST PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN.

HE IS VERY, VERY THOROUGH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT AFTER.

>> THANK YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON 9?

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>> ED SWAVEN. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EFFORTS THE COUNTY STAFF HAS MADE PURSUANT TO 13990 AND PRINCIPLES OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND ENVIRONMENTAL EQUITY TO DESEGREGATES THE BOARD THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND GIVE PROPER BACKGROUND WORK.

WE HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF NO BACKGROUND AND TURNS OUT HE IS AN INDIANA DIETED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN A FEDERAL CURT CASE IN CHICAGO. WANT TO AGREE WITH MR. REYNOLDS AND MR. DUNN AND HIS FINE, FINE WORK.

I HOPE THE NEXT TIME THAT THE "NEW YORK TIMES" CALLS HIM THAT HE IS MORE CANDID. JESSE RAISED THIS SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND I AGREE. YOU HAVE THE POWER TO ASK THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS ALL FIVE OF THEM THE SHERIFF AND OTHER GUYS -- AND LADY TO PRESENT THEIR PROPOSED BUDGET BY MAY 1 AND ENABLES YOU TO HAVE AT THE ANNUAL BUDGET HEARING DISCUSSION -- CANDID DISCUSSION.

WE HAD EMBEZZLEMENT IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

WE HAD OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS --

>> DO WE HAVE. >> LAST YEAR.

>> ITEM 9 --

>> YES, MR. CHAIR, THE BOARD MAY HOLD A PUBLIC COMMENTER TO THE ITEM IN QUESTION. PERTAINING TO THE SUBJECT

MATTER. >> WELL, I REALLY --

>> WE WILL HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT LATER.

IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THESE APPOINTMENTS,

WILL YOU PLEASE. >> PLEASE DESEGREGATE THESE

BOARDS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE POINT OF

ORDER. >> IS THERE ONE MORE CALL? SORRY, ONE ON MY SCREEN. NO? OKAY. GO AHEAD, BJ.

YEAH, GO AHEAD. >> BJ KALALY.

ST. AUGUSTINE. I REALLY DON'T NEED THAT EXERCISE. I KNOW YOU THINK I DO.

READING OVER THIS, I KNOW YOU CAN'T FORCE EVERYBODY TO VOLUNTEER AND DISTRICT 3, NO ONE IS APPLYING FOR THIS AND A VERY IMPORTANT BOARD AND NO ONE FROM ZIP CODE 32084.

AND DR HORTON GIVEN PERMISSION TO WHERE NEXT TO CROOKSHANK.

AND LOOKING OVER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING ON THE BOARD, IT WAS INTERESTING TO CHECK WHERE THEY ACTUALLY LIVE.

AND THERE IS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE FOLLOWING ZIP CODES, 30 2080. 32081.

32092. 32033.

32259 AND 33295. IF EVERYBODY HAVE THE TIME TO LOOK AT WHERE THESE ZIP CODES ARE, MOST OF THE PEOPLE SITTING ON THE BOARD TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHICH IS MORE STRICT WHICH IS GOOD AND WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH ISN'T THAT STRICT. OUR BUILDING IN AN AREA -- I KNOW FOR THE TRANSPORTATION CONCEPT.

BUT BASICALLY THEY ARE BEING PUT ASIDE.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I NOTICE THE HIGHEST MONEY YOU CAN MAKE ON DEVELOPING THESE THINGS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT RESTRICTING IT AWAY FROM CERTAIN AREAS REALLY IS TELLING US YOU DON'T BELONG IN THIS AREA. AND I THINK SOME DEVELOPERS CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND MAYBE NOT HAVE AS MUCH IN THEIR POCKET, BUT TREAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEEDING TO HAVE A HOME TO LIVE AROUND OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THEM BUT ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T MAYBE HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THIS AND I THANK YOU FOR SERVING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO APPLY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 9? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> CHAIRMAN: WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I GUESS WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADVERTISE THESE COMMISSIONS? WE HAVE MANY VOLUNTEERS BUT HOW

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>> ANY TIME WE ADVERTISE ANY OF THE VACANCIES ON THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, WE SEND IT TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT.

THEY PUT TOGETHER A COMMUNICATION PLAN AND IT GETS SENT OUT JUST LIKE OUR OTHER COMMUNICATIONS SET TO PRESS RELEASE SO FORTH AND SO ON. IT ALSO -- PLACE IT ON OUR WEB SITE THE BIGGEST PLACE WITH THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND EVERYTHING IS OUT THERE. THE INFORMATION AND ACTION IS ALL LOCATED IN THAT GENERAL AREA.

WHEN WE DO HAVE TROUBLE GETTING APPLICATIONS FROM TIME TO TIME, WE REACH OUT TO COMMISSIONERS TO LET YOU KNOW CERTAIN DISTRICTS MAY NOT BE COVERED OR WE ARE LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT. WE TRY INFORM YOU IN CASE YOU KNOW OF ANY INTERESTED PERSONS. WE HAVE AT TIMES -- WE HAVEN'T DONE IT LATELY BECAUSE OF CO COVID, WE HAVE AT TIMES AT THE LIBRARIES -- THEY ARE USUALLY GOOD OF PRINTING OUT OUR NO NOTICES AND POSTING THEM AS WELL.

I CAN'T SAY I SAID ANYTHING AT THE LIBRARIES WITH COVID IF THAT WAS GOING ON BUT THOSE ARE THE GENERAL AREAS AND WHERE WE POST THEM. THIS ONE WAS ADVERTISED FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN. EVEN THOSE WE KNOW ARE YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES REQUIRE THAT THEY BE ADVERTISED IF THEY ARE AN UNEXPECTED VACANCY FOR FOUR WEEKS; HOW HOWEVER, WE GO THAT EXTRA MILE IF THEY ARE EXPECTED ONES WHERE TERMS ARE EXPIRED, WE ADVERTISE FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN.

AND WE ARE OPEN FOR ANY SYSTEMS YOU HAVE TO BETTER IMPROVE THE SYSTEMS AND GET WORD OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE HAPPY TO DO TO. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: HOW MANY BOARD COMMISSIONERS DO YOU H HAVE?

>> WE HAVE 20 SOME WITH NEW ONES ADDED.

23. DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.

SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT AREA. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MISS LUNDQUIST AND HER TEAM WITH N WORKING WITH OUR SCHEDULES AND NUMEROUS MEETINGS, THEY GO TO EACH ONE OF THOSE COMMITTEES AND BOARD MEETINGS THAT SIT UNDER US AND TAKE THE TIME TO VET THESE APPLICATION -- APPLICANTS AND SPEND TIME DO THAT. TO ECHO IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. WE DO WANT PEOPLE TO BE ON THIS AND TO COME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL I CAN DO MORE TO HIGHLIGHT THIS.

I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU, MISS LUNDQUIST. HEAVY BURDEN ALONG WITH YOUR

OTHER DUTIES. >> MELISSA LUNDQUIST: I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THESE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES SINCE 2003.

I APPRECIATE THE VOLUNTEERS ON ALL OF THESE BOARDS.

YOU ARE TALKING UPWARD OF 150 TO 180 PEOPLE THAT ARE VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME FOR YOU ALL ON THESE -- ON THE VARIOUS BOARDS. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY HATS OFF TO THEM. AND WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO SPEAK WITH THEM ABOUT IT AND TAKE THEIR APPLICATIONS SO

FORTH AND SO ON. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE APPRECIATE THE VETTING DO YOU TO PREPARE US FOR THIS AND THE REAMS OF INFORMATION WE GET WITH APPLICATIONS THAT WE REVIEW. WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> JEB SMITH: AS A BOARD LIAISON TO THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY.

MAKE A MOTION IF YOU SEE FIT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PLEASE.

>> MOTION TO ALLOW ERICK SAKS FOR A FOUR-YEAR DETERMINE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> MOTION TO APPOINT ANDREW EVANER FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE FEBRUARY 16, 2025.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT.

CONGRATULATIONS, MR. EVANER AND MR. SAKS.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I WANT TO GO BRIEFLY AND POINT OF ORDER -- THE SECOND TIME THAT WE BRING THIS UP. WE WILL HAVE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO HEAR THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE FOLLOWS OUR PROCEDURES -- WE HAVE RULES AND PROCEDURES.

THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING. COMMENTING ON A SPECIFIC ITEM, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS SPECIFIC ITEM.

THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON GENERAL PERSONAL.

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WE WILL CALL THEM OUT OF ORDER AND A SECOND OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS. IF NOT, THEY WON'T BE ADDRESSING US THIS MORNING -- OR THIS AFTERNOON.

EVERYONE FOR THE MOST PART DOES A GREAT JOB FOLLOWING

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: AT THIS TIME WE WILL READJOURN.

WILL YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR SE SEATS.

OKAY, WE WILL GO TO AMENDED REGULAR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONER, JAMIE FROM THE PURCHASE DEPARTMENT. PRESIDENT NEGOTIATED PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT THE BOARD ASKED US TO NEGOTIATE AND BRING BACK TO THE JANUARY 14 BOARD MEETING.

THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE PSA IS PROVIDED IN YOUR BACKUP.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE PSA YOURSELF I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND VARIOUS STAFF FOR OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY

HAVE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, BACK TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. VICE-CHAIR. I BELIEVE YOU ASKED TO PULL

THIS. >> HENRY DEAN: WHEN I PULLED I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT I HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED ME THAT THEY WANTED TO SPEAK AND WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM AND I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO PULL THIS FOR A DISCUSSION. I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN HERE WHO WAS HERE EARLIER WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: UNDERSTOOD.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A LOT TO SAY AND WOULD RATHER WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHY DON'T WE DO THIS. PATRICK -- ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD RGHT NOW? OKAY.

PATRICK. WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PRO PROCEED. WE HAVE PUT THIS BACK ON.

THIS WAS A PSA. WE PUT IT BACK ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. DO WE NEED TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD? WHAT IS THE COURSE OF --

>> RIGHT. NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT. THIS -- THIS IS NOT A QUASI JUDICIAL. I DO KNOW THAT AVIARY SMITH IS HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICATION.

SHE IS NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE, BUT ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE THROUGH OUR PURCHASING MANAGER.

THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED BY MISS SMITH.

I WOULD RECOMMEND HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN BACK TO THE

BOARD. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS MY PREFERENCE. MR. VICE-CHAIR, OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK LINE UP. WE HAVE TWO MICROPHONES TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.

>> HENRY DEAN: OPEN ITEM -- WHAT IS NOW ITEM 10 ON THE REGULAR SEASON. IT WAS 13 ON THE CONTENT.

SIR, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE C CALL-INS FIRST.

THAT SORT OF OUR PROCESS. WE WILL GET YOU.

WE WILL TAKE CALL-INS ON WHAT IS ITEM 10.

GO AHEAD FIRST CALLER. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> TOM REYNOLDS. ST. AUGUSTINE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS PSA UP, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. HOW CAN I HAVE A THOROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT, HOW CAN I WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT IS GOING TO GUIDE YOU? YOU ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO HEAR.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE THEÚLA. WHEN I HEAR WALDRON SAYING HE IS WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT HE HAS A LOT OF STUFF.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF. GO OVER IT SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, HOW CAN SOMEBODY PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN YOU ARE NOT DONE HAVING A CONVERSATION.

YOU ARE NOT DONE ASKING PEOPLE. COME ON, COMMISSIONERS, LET'S DO A BETTER JOB. I WILL BE CALLING BACK.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER CALLER?

GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. ED SLAVIN.

ED SLAVIN.COM. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH MR. REYNOLDS. THIS ITEM SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ON CONSENT AGENDA. THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT DECISION AND HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WHICH NOWHERE

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YOU LOOK AT THE NONDISCRIMINATION CLAUSE, AG AGAIN, YOUR COUNTY STAFF IS BEHIND THE TIMES.

ON JUNE 15 OF THIS -- OF LAST YEAR IN THE CASE OF BOSTOCK VERSUS CLAYTON COUNTY, GEORGIA OUR UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT DECIDED IF THE WORD SEX IS U USED, SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY. GENTLEMEN, THAT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND. IT HAS BEEN THE LAW OF THE LAND SINCE JUNE 15 LAST YEAR. RECENTLY RECOGNIZED BY OUR FLORIDA -- EQUAL -- FLORIDA HUMAN LICENSE COMMISSION, WHICH ISSUED A STATEMENT SAYING ON HOUSING CASES, EMPLOYMENT CA CASES, LBGTQ PEOPLE ARE COVERED --

>> SIR, AT THIS TIME WE ARE HEARING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS

AGENDA ITEM. >> THE CONTRACT LEAVES OUT GAY PEOPLE. PLEASE ADD SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER IDENTITY IN THIS DOCUMENT.

WILL YOU PLEASE INSTRUCT ATTORNEYS TO STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINST LBGTQ IN EVERYTHING THEY RIGHT.

BOSTOCK HAS BEEN THE LINE OF THE LAND.

AND TWO FALSE STATEMENTS WHEN APPLIED ON THE ST. AUGUSTINE -- HE SAID HE WAS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND HE WAS NOT.

GLAD HE IS NO LONGER AFFILIATED WITH THIS PROJECT BUT A 80-ACRE GIVEAWAY AND NOT JUSTIFIED BY THE FACTS OF THE LAW AND ANYTHING IN THIS PACKET AND LOOKS LIKE SHOWING FAVORTISM FOR MR. MCGARVEY THAT DEVELOPED THE PLACE WHERE ONE OF YOU ALL LIVE AND ANOTHER DEVELOPER GIVEAWAY WITHOUT SUFFICIENT EXPLANATION AND THE MERE NOTION YOUR STAFF WILL WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA SHOWS WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO SPEND TIME AND ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND PUT IT FOR A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS A LAND USE DECISION AND HAVE FAIR EQUALITY IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PHONE. NAME ADDRESS, PLEASE, ON THE PHONE. OKAY.

WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT ON WHAT IS NOW ITEM 10, THE GOLF COURSE.

ITEM 10, THE GOLF COURSE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS. FOR THE RECORD ELLEN AVERY SMITH HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF NEIGHBORHOOD REALTY AND MCGARVEY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES WHICH IS THE RESPONDENT OR APPLICANT IN THIS MATTER. AND I AM JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OF THE PROPOSED CONTRACT OR ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE GOLF COURSE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF ME, I'M HERE. IF THE PUBLIC HAVE QUESTIONS OF OUR GROUP, WE ARE HERE. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10? MR. CHAIRMAN.

YES, SIR, NOW -- YES, SIR, COME AHEAD.

HOW I COULD OVERLOOK YOU. YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR SIX

HOURS. >> THANK YOU FOR WHAT BOILS DOWN TO BEING THE THIRD OPPORTUNITY I GET TO YAP HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS KEN PHILLIPS.

MY WIFE AND I BUILT OUR HOME ON THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF COURSE IN 2005. WE ARE AMONG THE RESIDENTS WHO WERE PROMISED, IN WRITING, BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT THE GOLF COURSE WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED.

WE DO NOT OBJECT TO THE RENOVATION OF THE GOLF COURSE.

WE DO OBJECT TO FINANCING IT THROUGH THE SALE OF A PUBLIC ASSET. AN ASSET THAT IN TOTAL CANDOR IS BECOMING RARER AND RARER. WE HAVE APPROVED SILVER LEAF WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS 10,000 UNITS.

I BELIEVE THAT BRINGS OUR TOTAL UP TO 20,000 AVAILABLE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SURELY WE CAN FIND IN THE PUBLIC FUNDS THE MONIES TO RESURRECT OR TO IMPROVE THIS

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THIS IS AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE COMING SOUTH FROM THE NORTH.

THEY ARE GOING TO WANT RECREATION.

IF COVID HAS TAUGHT US ANYTHING IS THAT WE NEED SPACE.

SO I AM GOING TO ASK TO YOU DO THE FOLLOWING.

FOLLOW THE LEAD OF BOCA RATON. BOCA RATON IS BUYING LAND.

THEY BOUGHT THE BOCA RATON COUNTRY CLUB.

WHY? TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE.

WE ALREADY HAVE IT. SO WHAT I AM ASKING TO YOU DO IS SIMPLY CONSIDER THIS AN AMENITY, SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY, THAT PROVIDES AFFORDABLE GOLF. YOU CAN DO THIS.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO SELL NINE HOLES.

WE MAY NEED VERY, VERY SOON. PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU NOT TO SQUANDER THESE PRECIOUS RESOURCES.

I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDITORIUM HERE? PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10, THE GOLF COURSE? I THINK THAT COMPLETES -- OH -- MISS BADGER.

>> SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

I CAN'T REALLY EVEN BELIEVE THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THE COUNTY PAID FOR THAT LAND. IT'S THE COUNTY'S LAND.

WHY WOULD YOU BE SELLING IT? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OPEN SPACE AS IT IS LIKE THE MAN SAID. YOU NEED TO RE-EVALUATE THIS WHOLE SITUATION BECAUSE EVERYBODY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BELONG TO A GOLF COURSE OR HAVE THEIR OWN PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY THAT HAS A GOLF COURSE WITH IT.

SO THIS REALLY NEEDS MORE EVALUATION.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 10? PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THAT COMPLETES -- LET ME GET A SIGNAL. I HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. ANY OTHER CALL-INS? NO? OKAY.

SHOWS FOUR. PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY. WELL, PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW CLOSED. I AM SHOWING CALLS AS WELL.

SO IF THAT COMES BACK UP, I WILL REVISIT THAT.

AT THIS TIME -- BEFORE WE GO TO THE BOARD.

ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION, ARE PCAS, PURCHASING AGREEMENTS, THIS THEY NORMALLY PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA?

>> YES, SIR, THEY ARE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR. MR. MCCORMICK.

LOOKS LIKE YOU WANT TO SPEAK. .

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: YES, I WANT TO CLARIFY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DID NOT SEND ANY NOTICE OR PROMISE OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS. THERE WAS A LETTER IN 2011 WHICH I THINK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DID GO TO A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE THE PROPERTIES KIND OF ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

I CAN EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL IF ANY COMMISSIONER

WOULD LIKE. >> YES, PLEASE.

I THINK COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AND WE ALL NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT LETTER IS IF YOU DON'T MIND READING IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY, PLEASE READ IT.

>> PATRICK MCCORMICK: SURE. THIS IS A LETTER DATED -- THE COPY I HAVE DATED APRIL 17, 2011.

AND IT GOES TO A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER OUT THERE.

ALTHOUGH MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SAME LETTER OR SIMILAR LETTER TO A NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS INCLUDING, PERHAPS, MR. PHILLIPS. AS YOU MAY KNOW FROM PREVIOUS REPORTS -- AGAIN, THIS IS FROM APRIL 17, 2011.

AS YOU MAY KNOW FROM PREVIOUS REPORTS, THE COUNTY OWNED ST.

JOHNS COUNTY GOLF CLUB WILL BE SUSPENDING USE ON NINE OF ITS 27 HOLES EFFECTIVE MAY 2, 2011. THE SPECIFIC HOLES THAT WILL BE CLOSED INCLUDE FIVE THROUGH NINE ON THE SOUTH AND ONE THROUGH FOUR ON THE EAST, WITH THE REMAINING HOLES BEING RECONFIGURED AS A STANDARD 18-WHOLE GOLF COURSE.

YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS LETTER BECAUSE YOUR PROPERTY ADJOINS GOLF COURSE PROPERTY ON ONE OF THE HOLES TO BE CLOSED.

A SIMILAR LETTER IS BEING SENT TO HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS

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WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY.

I TRUST YOU WILL FIND IT ASSURING -- THIS COMES FROM THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME.

I TRUST THAT YOU WILL FIND IT ASSURING THAT THE COUNTY CANNOT SELL OR IN ANY WAY DISPOE POSE OF THE PROPERTY AND NO DEVELOPMENT WILL OCCUR ON THE LAND.

ADDITIONALLY, THE GOLF COURSE PROPERTY WILL CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED AT A LOWER LEVEL THAN THAT REQUIRED FOR ACTIVE GOLF HOLES. SHOULD FUTURE GOLF COURSE DEMANDS WARRANT SUCH MAY REACTIVATE THE NINE ADDITIONAL HOLES IN THE FUTURE. THE STAFF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF CLUB WILL STRIVE TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS TO YOU AND THE COMMUNITY. AND PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE IN THIS REGARD AND HAS SOME OF THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE COUNTY STAFF.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS UNFORTUNATE DIFFICULT BUSINESS DECISION.

SIGNED. AND AGAIN THE COUNTY

ADMINISTRATOR THERE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHO

SIGNED THAT LETTER? >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: SIGNED BY THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MR. WONCHECK.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

WE WILL GO TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, YOU HAD

-- >> PAUL WALDRON: TO KIND OF REITERATE YOUR QUESTION ON THE PSA.

IS THAT PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IF THE BOARD NEVER

AGREED TO SELL IT. >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: ALL GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MAY BE BACKGROUND OF WHAT THE BOARD'S VOTE WAS ON IT. I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF IT BECAUSE I CAME IN AFTER THE FACT, BUT BOARD ACTION IN 2018-2019. BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, YES, PSAS ARE GENERALLY PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND IF THERE IS ANY PULLING -- THE COMMISSION HAVE THE ABILITY TO

PULL SOMETHING. >> PAUL WALDRON: THE BOARD NEVER VOTED TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION TO MOVE ON TO GET DESIGN -- TO KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN COST ANALYSIS.

AT THAT POINT IN NO WAY, SHAPE6 OR FORM IF I REMEMBER DIRECTLY.

I KNOW WATCH THE MEETING AGAIN AND READ THE MINUTES.

THE OTHER QUESTION I GOT IS -- I HAVE WAYS I CAN DO THAT.

TO REDO THE GOLF COURSE AND A ALL.

AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE MAP AND KIND OF LOOK AT IT. BUT I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO CLEAR UP IS WHETHER THE BOARD WANTS TO SELL THE PROPERTY. AND I -- I FIND IT KIND OF EGREGIOUS THAT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, WE FORMED A LAND PROGRAM TO BUY LAND TO CONSERVE.

NOW CONSIDERING SELLING LAND FOR DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY SHOULD BE IN DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER OF INDIVIDUAL HOMES. AND WE HAVE THE GENTLEMAN SAID 20,000. SIR, I DON'T WANT TO CORRECT YOU, BUT PROBABLY UP AROUND 50,000 TO 60,000 APPROVED UNITS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. AND LIKE I SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REDO THE GOLF COURSE, FIX IT.

I THINK WE CAN BUILD A FIRE STATION AND A JOINT SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I ASKED THEM TO BE HERE TODAY ON THE 16 ACRES CLOSER TO 207. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE AND I THINK I CLEARED IT WITH STAFF BEFORE THAT THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT CAN PAY FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM HOW WE DISPOSE OF THE REUSED WATER AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND TAKE THE MONEY FROM DENNIS HOLLINGSWORTH AND REDO THE GOLF COURSE AND PUT ALL THE MONEY RIGHT THERE TO REDO IT AND WE WILL BE BACK FUNCTIONS. ACTUALLY THE GOLF COURSE MADE $88,294 ESTIMATED LAST YEAR. SO IT IS DEFINITELY WORKING.

YEAH, BAD YEARS OF 2017 AND 2018, BUT HAD TO GET COLLAR TEASE OF STUDY WES DID AND DOING SOME OF THE STUFF AT THAT TIME. PLUS, IT HAS A FUND BALANCE WHICH IS $832,000. SO IT IS NOT A TANKING THING.

A PARKS AND REC EVENT. WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MORE PARKS AND RECREATION SPACE AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD SELL 80 ACRE THAT'S WE CAN USE. I MEAN, IT'S -- IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME TO SELL LAND THAT WE CAN USE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. ACTUALLY WE COULD HAVE WENT BACK -- IF IT WASN'T IN RECESSION, HOW MANY SOCCER

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DOESN'T BELONG TO THIS BOARD BUT BELONGS TO THE REST DENTS.

ABOUT ALL I HAVE AND I DO THINK THAT LETTER IS BINDING.

IF I RECEIVED THAT LETTER I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BE

IN CONTACT WITH AN ATTORNEY. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

I DID WANT TO SAY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE THE ELECTED BOARD AND THE PO POLICYMAKERS FOR THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. I WILL SAY FOR THAT LETTER, WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN IN 2011, IT WAS CREW TO EXPECT THAT THERE WAS A -- SOME OF THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN FINANCED THROUGH A MECHANISM THAT WOULD PRACTICALLY NOT ALLOW, YOU K KNOW, SALE OR DISPOSITION OF IT.

THAT -- THAT FINANCING MECHANISM WAS RESON LATER WHICH REMOVED THAT PROHIBITION. SO THAT PROHIBITION, WHICH WAS IN EFFECT IN 2011 IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD IN ITS WISDOM CAN CONSIDER THE LANGUAGE OF LETTER AS TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S EFFECT ON -- ON PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEIR EXPECTATIONS, ETC.

THAT WAS FOR THE BOARD, THANK YOU.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST NEXT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TOUR THE GOLF COURSE ON FRIDAY AND I TOOK SOME PICTURE THAT'S I JIVE MR. RYAN. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PUTTING THIS UP. I THINK THIS IS WORTH -- BECAUSE THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS TODAY WORTH LOOKING AT SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES AND THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THE RUST AND THE WEAR AND TEAR.

THINKABLE IS A WATER PUMP. BUT I AM NOT SURE.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I DO. NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.

WHAT I SAW ON THE PROPERTY 32 YEARS OF WEAR AND TEAR.

COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED THAT I AM NEW TO THIS.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN VOTED ON THREE TIMES TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A POSSIBLE MEANS TO REMEDY THE MANY DEFICIENCIES I HAVE SEEN FROM 32 YEARS OF NEGLECT.

AS A BOARD WE ARE INHERITING THESE DEFICIENCIES.

AND A DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE LACK OF FUNDS. I GUESS QUESTION TO STAFF, MR. HUNTER, MISS ANDREWS, A CHANCE TO ADDRESS THESE DEFICIENCIES WITHOUT SELLING THIS LAND TO THE DEVELOPER? WHAT WOULD BE THE PATH FORWARD? BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT I SAW WE CAN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE.

IT IS A MINOR MIRACLE THAT IT IS STILL OPERATING.

>> MR. CHAIR -- COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF THE BOARD WERE CHOOSE NOT TO GO TO PSA, FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR FISCAL YEAR '22 TO ADD TO THE CIP.

NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD IMMEDIATELY BE ADDRESSED BUT ADDRESSED OVER THE COMING MONTHS AND YEARS SPECIFICALLY OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS AS YOU HEARD COMMISSIONER WALDRON MENTIONED HE SPOKEN WITH O & B STAFF OF OTHER WAYS TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THIS ISSUE SO THERE IS AN ABILITY THIS YEAR TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THAT PROBLEM FINANCIALLY IF THE BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION.

YES, SIR. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WE HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT NEED TO SPEAK.

CAN WE ASK ABOUT THAT. DO YOU KNOW AN ESTIMATED COST?

>> I AM GOING TO USE ESTIMATES, COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE AS I HAVE SEEN VERY QUICKLY IN YOUR PROFESSION.

YOU HEAR A NUMBER AND IT ALWAYS COMES BACK 10 TO 20% MORE.

MY EXPECTATION TO RENOVATE THE 18 HOLES BETWEEN $4 MILLION TO $5 MILLION AND ADDRESS THE OTHER CONCERNS OF 18 HOLES AND THE OTHER UTILITY UPDATES. THINGS THAT ARE BEING SPOKEN ABOUT AND WOULD NOT INCLUDE ANY POTENTIAL UPDATES TO THE RE REMAINING 80 ACRES WHICH ARE THE NINE HOLES BEING DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE PROPOSED PSA. YOU I DON'T HAVE AN AMOUNT ON WHAT IT WOULD BE FOR THE PASSIVE RECREATIONAL SIDE.

ON THE CURRENT 18 HOLES PLUS THE DEFISH EN SEE IT.

SOMEWHERE IN THE BALL PARK OF $4 MILLION TO $5 MILLION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.

>> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT LET THEIR WAS SENT OUT.

I WASN'T PRIVY TO IT UNTIL I HAD A RESIDENT SEND IT TO ME HIS WIFE. HE IS DECEASED AND MR. BURNS IS

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I CAN GO THROUGH THEM. MY QUESTION TO LEGAL, DID THAT LETTER HAVE BCC APPROVAL AT THE TIME?

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER SMITH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY INDICATION OF BCC APPROVAL SMITH THAT AND OF ITSELF IS A LITTLE ALARMING AND IT DOES.

IT SETS SOME PARAMETERS OF UNDERSTANDING TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD, THEY HAD A PROTECTED MEASURE.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS THIS. AND JUST TO MAKE SURE IT WAS.

WAS THE PROHIBITION WITH REGARD TO THE FINANCING COMPONENT, WAS IT CONTAINED WITHIN THE LETTER AND EXPLAINED?

>> NO, SIR. >> JEB SMITH: IT WAS NOT.

SO OPEN-ENDED THIS WOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED.

THAT WAS DONE NINE, TEN -- ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO.

THERE IS -- THEN WE BROUGHT IN UP BEFORE AND PROGRESSED WITH THIS BECAUSE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY PUT IN THIS RESEARCH AND IN THE LAST MEETING $240,000 TO APPROACH THE BE HOME MOTH OF THE ISSUE AND I STILL YIELD -- AN A PROMISE BY A FORMER EMPLOYEE OF THIS BOARD THAT FOLKS HAVE PUT IN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT IN.

AND I THINK THAT SHOULD HAVE SOME -- SOME MERIT TODAY IN OUR -- IN OUR ADDRESS. AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS.

I AM NOT IN FAVOR MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD VIOLATE THAT TIP. I HAVE SAID THAT IN THE PAST.

I WILL SAY IT AGAIN TODAY. MR. PHILLIPS, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING THIS LONG TODAY FOR OVER FOUR HOURS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT POINT.

AND I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NOT JUST ONE MR. PHILLIPS OUT THERE.

THERE ARE MANY MR. PHILLIPS IN THAT SAME COMMUNITY.

I AM GOING TO SAY, TOO, WE ARE NOT JUST DISCUSSING THE PURCHASE AND SALE -- THE PURCHASE SALE AGREEMENT TODAY.

ALSO OTHER OPTIONS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAVE BEAUTIFULLY PRESENTED OPTIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT.

NOT THE FIRST TIME HE HAS DONE THAT.

HE HAS DONE THAT BEFORE. I BELIEVE AFTER DOING RESEARCH HE VOTED FORWARD TO PROGRESS WITH THIS AS WELL BECAUSE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS BOARD AND I HAD A SIMILAR UNDERSTANDING OF THIS TOO AND I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE TO BRING THIS OUT INTO THE OPEN AND NOT JUST PUT IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

I HAVE AN OPTION THAT I WORKED ON WITH STAFF FOR A LONG TIME A LEASE ON THE PROPERTY FOR A GOLF COURSE.

I CONTACTED BREVARD COUNTY WHO HAS THREE LEASES -- THEY GOT INTO A PREDICAMENT. IT WASN'T THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT A LACK OF INTEREST IN THE GOLF COURSES THEMSELVES.

THEY LEASED THEM OUT AND THEY HAD A SUCCESSFUL -- THAT DIDN'T GET MUCH TRACTION AND I WANTED TO BRING IT UP.

OTHER OPTIONS THAN LIQUIDATING AN ASSET OF 80 ACRES AND PUTTING IN HOMES TO RENOVATE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I JUST -- ESPECIALLY -- I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BEING A COMMISSIONER AND ENHANCING OUR OWN VALUE AND DENSITY ON COUNTY PROPERTY AND PUTTING HOMES ON IT.

WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS ANYTHING WE EVER INTENDED TO GET INVOLVED WITH AND TALK OF EQUITY, I THINK THAT IS A DANGEROUS THING TO DO.

I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPT OPTIONS. I BELIEVE THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE REHEARSED AND RECOLLECTION WHAT WAS PROMISED TO THE RESIDENTS. I THINK IT IS EXTRAORDINARY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, KOCHLZ SMITH.

GO TO COMMISSIONER DEAN NEXT. >> HENRY DEAN: LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING MY RECOGNIZE LINKS OF DISCUSSION THAT LED TO TODAY'S ITEM IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE DISCUSS THIS ROUGHLY TWO YEARS AGO, IF I RECALL, I THOUGHT WE HAD A PRETTY THOROUGH DISCUSSION.

WE EVEN DISCUSS THE LETTER AT SOME LENGTH, BUT I THOUGHT WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD ADVERTISE FOR POTENTIAL PARTNER THAT'S WOULD ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS BOARD TO -- IN EXCHANGE FOR BRING YOU GO THE GOLF COURSE X NUMBER OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WILL BE BASED ON A VALUE BY VALUE BA

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I MAY BE WRONG, APPARENTLY I AM, BUT STAFF HAS GONE FORWARD AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SOME POINT OF DISAGREEMENT OVER THE APPRAISED VALUE AND WE WENT BACK TO RENEGOTIATE AND REAPPRAISED AND HAD A MUTUAL AGREEMENT WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER. AND I THOUGHT WE WERE HERE TODAY FOR THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

REALLY EXCHANGE OF SERVICES IN MY MIND OR NOT, BASED ON WHETHER IT WAS FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS VALUE FOR VALUE. IN MY MIND I THOUGHT I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT. BUT LET ME FINISH.

LET ME SAY THIS. LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON, I -- IF IT IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD AND THE MAJORITY, I AM -- I AM VERY RECEPTIVE OF HIS PROPOSAL.

BECAUSE MY ONLY GOAL HERE -- MY GOAL FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION WAS TO RETAIN THIS GOLF COURSE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY FOR A PLACE TO STAY GOLF AT A FEE THEY CAN -- THEY CAN TOLERATE AND LIVE WITH. NOT EVERYONE CAN JOIN MARS MARSHLANDING. NOT EVERYONE CAN JOIN MARSH CREEK. WE HAVE I THINK 50,000 ROUNDS I BELIEVE AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF COURSE AND I FRANKLY PLAY THERE WITH A FRIEND FROM TIME TO TIME.

AND EVERYONE LOVES IT. ALL THE GOLFERS ARE ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND A VERY REASONABLE RATE.

MY GOAL IS TO SIMPLY FIGURE OUT A WAY WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND PUBLIC TAX DOLLARS TO BRING IN GOLF COURSE UP TO SPEED BUT IF WE CAN IDENTIFY DOLLARS AND PAUL MADE A GOOD SUGGESTION, I THINK, DENNIS HOLLINGSWORTH THE EXCESS FUNDS HE PRESENTED BACK TO US. MY PRIMARY IF NOT ONLY GOAL IS TO KEEP OUR GOLF COURSE IN GREAT CONDITION AND KEEP IT FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COUNTY, WHO ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO JOIN AND PLAY AT A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE.

AND I THINK -- AND LET ME JUST COMMENT ON THE LEASE IDEA IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH. A COMMENDABLE THOUGHT.

I GET IT, BUT IF WE TURN THE GOLF COURSE OVER TO A LESSEE, AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET FEES, I THINK IT CAN LEAD TO INCREASED GREEN SPACE AND REDUCTION IN PLAY.

AND THAT IS NOT MY GOAL. MY GOAL IS TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE GOLF COURSE AND I THINK IT IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY TO OWN AND OPERATE IT.

THAT IS MY ONLY INTEREST IS HAVING A REASONABLY PRICED AND GOOD CONDITION GOLF COURSE. I AM OPEN TO WHAT THE MAJORITY WANTS TO DO. I WILL WILLING TO GO FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT AND THE WISHES OF THIS BOARD TO PURSUE ALTERNATIVES THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PAYING FOR THE NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE GOLF COURSE WITHOUT OTHER FUNDS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY POSITION CLEAR OF WHAT I THOUGHT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT I AM PERFECTLY FLEXIBLE TODAY TO DO A LATERAL -- AND FUND THROUGH OTHER MEANS IF THAT IS THE WISH OF THE BOARD.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I KNOW I HAVE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO WANT TO SPEAK. IF I CAN JUMP IN WITH TWO QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

MR. MCCORMICK, AS OFFICE OF GENERAL COUNSEL, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS LETTER AND LOOK AT THEPOSSIBLE DETRIMENT AND RELIANCE THAT CAN BE ATTACHED TO THIS BASED ON THE CASE? AND THE REASON I ASKED -- I THINK IF I RECEIVED THIS LETTER JUST AS PRIVATE CITIZEN, WITHOUT THE LEGAL TRAINING OR BACKGROUND AS A LAWYER, I WOULD HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY IS REPRESENTING H HERE. I WOULD VIEW THAT AS A CITIZEN, BUT HAS YOUR OFFICE DONE A LEGAL REVIEW OVER HOW THAT L LETTER IS BINDING OR CASE LAW AT SOME POINT THAT YOU CAN

SHARE WITH US? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE REVIEWED THAT LETTER.

AS I HAVE MENTIONED AT THE TIME IT WAS WRITTEN, IT WAS ACCURATE

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AS TIME GOES ON, I THINK THE EXPECTATION OF THAT REASONABLY DECLINES. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD ON THIS ITEM.

IN FACT I WANTED TO BRING BACK UP COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENT.

IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO THAT THE BOARD GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD HEARD THE MATTER OF THIS -- OF THIS RFP AND SORT OF THE TOP RESPONDER TO THAT AND AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TH THOUGH, I THINK THIS PROPERTY AT SOME POINT CAN LEGALLY BE DISPOSED, NOT A PERMANENT PROHIBITION TO DO THAT.

IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL CLAIMS FOR DREAMTAL ALLIANCE OR WHATNOT. I THINK ANYBODY CAN MAKE A CLAIM ABOUT ANY TYPE OF THING. I CAN'T SAY THE CLAIM IN SORT OF THE LEGAL AND PUBLIC POLICY. ONE THING MAY BE DEFENDABLY LEGALLY, BUT IN TERMS OF PUBLIC POLICY, THAT IS THIS BOARD'S JURISDICTION TO CONSIDER BASICALLY THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU.

BLOCKER PWLOYBINGZ JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

THE LETTER WAS SENT OUT BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THAT TIME. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT MADE A POLICY DECISION PLACING THIS LAND IN A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AND ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIVE

DEEDS? >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: THAT'S

THAT'S CORRECT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THE LETTER WAS POORLY WRITTEN AND REALLY UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE IT GIVES A PERCEPTION AND WAS NOT THE POLICY OF THE BOARD AND MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC. I WOULD BE UPSET IF I WERE TO RECEIVE THIS LETTER AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR LEGAL EXPOSURE IS. IS YOUR ADVICE THAT OUR

EXPOSURE IS LIMITED? >> PATRICK MCCORMICK: I WILL SAY LIMITED BUT I COULD NOT SAY NONEXISTENT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST NEXT. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I, YOU KNOW -- I WILL NEVER BE A PART OF ANYTHING THAT MISLEADS ANYBODY.

THAT IS NOT THE WAY I DO BUSINESS.

CERTAINLY NOT THE WAY I AM GOING TO VOTE AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I AM ALSO SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT THIS BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY THREE DIFFERENT TIMES GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE.

THE DEVELOPER SPRAY TAKEN THAT AS A SIGNAL THAT A DEAL IS ALL IS DONE OR PROMISED TO BE DONE. I THINK IT WILL BE SMART AND I WOULD DEFER TO COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS CONVERSATION FAR LONGER THAN I HAVE.

I THINK IT WILL BE SMART TO TABLE THIS AND PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA EVEN IF IT IS THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH JUST SO WE HAVE THE MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I CAN LOOK MORE INTO THAT LETTER.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU.

WE WILL COME BACK TO THAT. COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PAUL WALDRON: I DON'T THINK THE DEVELOPER --

>> WE GOT TO THE PSA -- THE DRAFT OF THE PSA THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. NOT THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. THIS PSA BASICALLY ESTABLISHES THE PROCESS BY WHICH THOSE APPLICATIONS WILL BE MADE RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WHATEVER THOSE PROCESSES ARE LEADING TO THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLF COURSE. THIS ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISHES THE FRAMEWORK TO GET THERE. AND AS LONG AS THOSE THINGS HAPPEN TO THE SATISFACTION OF BOTH PARTIES, THEN WE GO FORWARD AND NEGOTIATE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, FINAL SCOPE. THAT CONTRACT THEN COMES BACK TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL AS WELL.

ALL WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PSA.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE NORMAL MEETINGS WITH DEVELOPERS OR APPLICANTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY DO UNDER A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. THERE IS CONFUSION.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST IS NEW. COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAVE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN I REMEMBER. AND COMMISSIONER DEAN AS WELL.

HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT? >> 2018, THE BOARD VOTED AND DIRECTED US TO HAVE A FORMAL SOLICITATION FOR THE POTENTIAL

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WE DID THE EVALUATION. WE BROUGHT THAT BACK TO THE BOARD IN JANUARY OF '19 AND THE BOARD VOTED DIRECTED STAFF TO COMPLETE NEGOTIATIONS AND BRING IT BACK FOR REVIEW AND APP

APPROVAL. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: IN LAYMAN'S TERM. WE OPENED THIS UP IN A BIDDING

PROCESS? >> YES.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE DIFFERENT UNDERSTANDINGS HOW WE GOT HERE TODAY.

>> MY SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, TOO, ON THE AGENDA YOU GO BACK AND WATCH THE MEETING AND YOU WILL KNOW -- OR READ THE MINUTES. DO WE HAVE THE MINUTES

AVAILABLE? >> ACTUALLY I HAVE THEM ONLINE HERE. I CAN PUT THEM ON THE OVERHEAD

OR -- >> THAT MIGHT BE GREAT.

MAYBE I AM CONFUSED.

>> SEE HOW THIS SHOWS UP. WE MAY BE ABLE TO PULL THEM UP DIRECTLY THIS IS AS SHE INDICATED JANUARY 15, 2019 MEETING. LOOKS LIKE AT 5 P.M. I HAVE LEAVE THIS UP HERE TO READ AND THE PUNCHLINE, RFP -- FIRST OF ALL, THE BOARD HAD AUTHORIZED THE RFP TO BE OUT THERE.

THERE WERE RESPONDENTS. THERE WAS A TOP -- THE FIRST RATED RESPONDER. LAND EXCHANGE FOR RENOVATION OF GOLF COURSE AT ST. JOHNS GOLF CLUB, PROPOSALS FROM QUALIFIED AND EXPERIENCED FIRMS. , ETC.

WORK SHALL INCLUDE RENOVATION OF THE 18-HOLE GOLF COURSE, CLUB, ETC. BUT HERE AS COMPENSATION FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT THE COUNTY WILL EXCHANGE APPROXIMATELY 80 ACRES OF VACANT LAND ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE. THE RFP WAS ADVERTISED, ETC.

THERE IT GOES DOWN AND THEN THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY.

SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN THE FINAL MOTION TH

THERE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: CAN YOU GO FURTHER UP, THE BOTTOM -- CAN YOU GO UP SO WE CAN SEE THE

BOTTOM OF THE PAGE? >> OH, I AM SORRY, YES.

BLOCKER BLOCK OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THE FIRE STATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR WEST OF 95. THAT WILL BE THREE QUARTERS -- IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEY LOOKED AT THE PARCEL.

IT IS 16 ACRES UP NORTH OF -- I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE OF IT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE TO BUILD THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO LEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? ARE YOU -- ARE YOU ALL PREPARED

TO SPEAK ON THAT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ON BEHALF BEHALF OF MYSELF AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO TALK.

WERPD ASKED BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY. WE ARE DOING THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY FOR A FIRE STATION AND BASICALLY A SUBSTATION FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHICH IS NEEDED IN THAT AREA SOMEWHERE, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME TO DO A FULL DUE DILIGENCE OF THAT PROPERTY.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TOGETHER TO WORK THAT ISSUE AND TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY MORE OPTIONS OUT THERE TO BETTER POSITION THAT SUBSTATION IN THAT FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

>> I ECHO THE THOUGHTS. CERTAINLY THE SITE HAS GREAT BENEFITS TO IT. THE LOCATION.

WE KNOW WE NEED A FACILITY IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA BUT DETERMINING AS FAR AS THAT SITE VERSUS OTHER YOU SITES THAT COME TO OUR ATTENTION. IT MAY TAKE LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO FULLY EVALUATE THAT. BUT IT IS A VIABLE LOCATION.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, GENTLEMEN.

I AM GOING TO TURN BACK TO -- TO MR. CONRAD.

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SO I AM GOING -- I AM GOING TO ASK YOU, MR. CONRAD, DID YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY KIND OF ASSESS THIS?

>> HUNTER CONRAD: MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS, WHERE IT STANDS AN RFP BEFORE THE BOARD. THE DECISION POINT IS DO THE BOARD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP OR NOT.

IF THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ARE THE RFP.

THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. COMMISSIONER COMMIT MENTIONED THE LEASE OPERATION. COMMISSIONER DEAN THE IMPORTANT OF MAINTAINING A COUNTY GOLF COURSE.

ANSWERED COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

FUNDING IN THE CIP FOR 2022. YOU HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON WITH OPPORTUNITY WITH A JOINT STATION BETWEEN FIRE AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE. BUT AT THIS POINT, IT IS FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION FROM A POLICY STANDPOINT EITHER TO EXECUTE THE RFP OR NOT EXECUTE THE RFP AND THEN THE OPTIONS PROCEEDED FROM THERE STAFF CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH

DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT -- SINCE WE WENT TO THE RFP PROCESS. WE CAN'T START THAT UNLESS THERE IS SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, AND I UNDERSTAND WE GOT HERE IN A CONFUSED WAY.

DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY COMMENTS HOW WE GOT HERE AND

ANY CLARITY? >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS. I WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE RFP. MCGARVEY AND OTHER THIRD-PARTY DEVELOPERS WERE INVOLVED AND THE MCGARVEY'S -- OBVIOUSLY WHAT MR. MCCORMICK SHOWED PUT IN RECORD TWO YEARS AGO THAT THE BOARD VOTED TO WIN THEM, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, OF THE RFP.

THEY HAVE SPENT TWO YEARS WORKING WITH JAMIE AND HER STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB, MISS LIBBY AND MISS ROSS AND A NUMBER OTHER PEOPLE CONTINUE TO YOUR STAFF.

WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD WITH THE COUNTY, FOR THE COUNTY AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE DEVELOPER AND WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE REACHED A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL IDEA IN THAT. NONE OF THIS GOES FORWARD UNLESS, ONE, THERE CAN BE A SOLUTION TO THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS WITH THIS PROPERTY. BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE TO BE RESOLVED OTHERWISE THE PROPERTY IS NOT DEVELOPMENTABLE. AND SPENDING A LOT MORE MONEY ANALYZING HOW TO DEVELOP THE EXISTING 18 HOLES WHICH, AS MR. CONRAD POINTED OUT, A FORTIFIED MILLION DOLLAR EXPENDITURE ON A GOOD DAY. THAT WOULD BE IN EXCHANGE FOR THE 80 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS. WE HAVEN'T SURVEYED THAT OF LAND. THAT WAS THE CONSIDERATION.

TO YOUR POINT IT WAS AN EXCHANGE, FULL, OF A BRAND-NEW GOLF COURSE FOR 80 ACRES OR PLUS AND MINUS OF AND THERE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS OF A PUD AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT 80-PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. SO LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, SO HAS YOUR STAFF, AND CERTAINLY NEIGHBORHOOD REALTY WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD SAY YES TO THIS PSA TODAY. BUT IF WE NEED TO HAVE -- WELL, I GUESS I -- WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MEET WITH BOARD MEMBERS, BECAUSE THIS IS A RFP THAT WAS AWARDED.

SO THIS IS NOT A TYPICAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH YOU. WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU DECIDE TO TABLE TODAY HOW WE GET THE INFORMATION AND THE IDEAS THAT THE MCGARVEY GROUP PUT TOGETHER DOWNLOADED TO YOU AT SOME POINT. LIKE I SAID, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK PUT INTO THIS CONTRACT. AND THE DETAILS AND THE DIFFERENT STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE GOLF COURSE REDEVELOPMENT IS

EVEN VIABLE. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I MEAN, BEFORE WE GO -- I WILL DIRECT IT TO YOU, PATRICK, BECAUSE WE ARE HOLDING IN PLACE ON THIS. MY CONCERN BECAUSE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, THE BOARD HAS TAKEN SOME ACTION EVEN THOUGH DISAGREEMENT ON WHAT ACTION -- THE BOARD CAN DO -- ARE WE POTENTIALLY OPENING OURSELVES UP FOR EXPOSURE BECAUSE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS?

>> AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, ANYONE CAN MAKE A CLAIM, I THINK, FOR

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IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE THE FIRST TIME IN THIS COUNTY OR OTHER JURISDICTIONS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND A TOP-RATED ONE AND THE BOARD HAS NOT GONE FORWARD WITH THE PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: WELL, IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, LET ME TRY SOMETHING AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I THINK -- WE LOOKED AT THE MINUTES. THE MINUTES WERE NOT ONLY CLEAR BUT SPECIFIC AND THEY WERE EXACTLY AS I REMEMBERED THEM.

I DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT A VI VIDEO.

SO I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

IF THERE IS A SECOND, WE CAN HAVE A VOTE.

IF NOT WE WILL DISCUSS OTHER OPTIONS BUT I AM PREPARED TO MOVE THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT VOTE, WE CAN DISCUSS POSSIBLY OTHER OPTIONS

IF MY MOTION FAILS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS FINE. WE WILL GO WITH THAT.

IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?

>> I CONCUR. WE ARE HERE TODAY.

MAKE A VOTE. >> HENRY DEAN: I WILL MOVE TO

ADOPT RESOLUTION 2021 -- >> 84.

>> HENRY DEAN: AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH NEIGHBORHOOD REALTY, INC.

MCGARVEY OF COMPLETION OF THE RENOVATION OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOLF COURSE IN EXCHANGE OF THE CONVEYANCE OF 80 ACRES OF SURPLUS LAND DESCRIBED HEREIN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION SO WE CAN VOTE. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

A SECOND BY MYSELF. PLEASE VOTE.

OKAY, THAT FAILS 3-2. OKAY, SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS GOLF COURSE ISSUE NOW? DO WE WANT TO BRING IT BACK LATER -- OBVIOUSLY IT IS STILL GOING TO BE OUT THERE.

WHAT THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> JEB SMITH: I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT NOW TO VET OPTIONS AND WE NEED STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING.

COMMISSIONER, I HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT IDEAS.

THOSE CAN BE PUT DOWN ON PAPER. I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE VENUE TO DO IT. WE CAME HERE WITH A VERY SPECIFIC ADDRESS TODAY. YES, I WAS -- I -- I WENT THROUGH MY MIND. LISTEN, WE ARE HERE.

IT IS OBVIOUS. IT WAS POINTED.

I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME CONCLUSION.

BUT I WILL SAY THIS TOO IN DEFENSE OF IT.

A LOT OF OTHER STEPS TO GO THROUGH AND THIS STILL DIDN'T HAVE ITS FINAL -- IT WAS NOT DONE.

OKAY. WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER STEPS TO GO THROUGH. ZONING ISSUE AND ALL THESE THINGS HAD TO BE DEALT WITH, AND IF YOU READ THE CONTRACT, A LOT OF STEPS TO BE TAKEN THAT -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THEY WERE. A PILE OF THEM TO EVEN MAKE THIS VIABLE. THAT IS WHAT I RECOLLECT.

AND TODAY WAS NOT A FINAL ISSUE -- FINAL -- WITH A FINALITY IF YOU WILL; HOWEVER, MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- I WOULD JUST -- I WILL SIT DOWN WITH ADMINISTRATION AND WHOEVER IT IS TO GIVE MY IDEAS, GET SOME OTHER IDEAS AND WE CAN VET THAT OUT AS WE MOVE FOR FORWARD.

I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT 20 TO DO SO.

I DON'T THINK TODAY IS THE TIME TO DO THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: WHATEVER WE DO TODAY, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN GENUS COME HERE AND SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR DIRECTION IS AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE TODAY.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND, COMMISSIONER SMITH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TAKE THIS OFF OF FUTURE AGENDA.

WE SPEND TIME REFLECTING ON THIS.

TALKING WITH STAFF. DO I HAVE CONCURRENCE WITH THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I THINK WE MUST HAVE NOT ESTIMATES, BUT WE NEED HARD NUMBERS FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED OF THE GOLF COURSE FROM THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE COURSE ITSELF TO THE RUSTED-OUT FCILITIES ALL OVER THE GOLF COURSE.

WE NEED HARD NUMBERS AND A FUNDING SOURCE AND PLAN TO GET THERE. MR. CONRAD YOU TOLD ME MONEY IN FISCAL YEAR '22. I AM CERTAINLY COUNTING ON THAT BECAUSE THOSE DEFICIENCIES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HARD NUMBERS AND A PLAN.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU.

WELL LISTEN -- LET ME JUMP IN HERE JUST BRIEFLY.

WE NEED TO -- WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE -- THAT IS THEIR ONLY WAY AND ABILITY TO PLAY GOLF. IT IS IMPORTANT THEM.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A SECOND OR THIRD-RATE GOLF COURSE.

PEOPLE WHO RETIRE HERE WHO DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIVE IN LUXURY HOMES AND GATED COMMUNITIES THAT WANT TO GO THERE AND PLAY GOLF. SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS,

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IN AN INTEREST OF MOVING THIS FORWARD AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU, IF WE CAN.

PUT THIS AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM SOME TIME IN APRIL, MAY, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE TIME AND GIVE ALL OF US A CHANCE TO THINK ON THIS AND DO OUR OWN RESEARCH AND COME BACK AND LOOK AT A LIST OF OPTIONS.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON BROUGHT UP A.

IN. I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE VI VIABLE. COMMISSIONER SMITH BROUGHT UP SOME AS WELL. SOME WE HEARD BEFORE.

SOME ARE NEW. I THINK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS A CHANCE TO KIND OF REVIEW THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND PROMISING.

LET'S TAKE SOME TIME AND COOL OUR HEELS AND LOOK AT THIS IN THE FUTURE. SO IF THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THAT. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO -- IS THERE CONSENSUS? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER SMITH, I AM SORRY. >> JEB SMITH: NO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS WITH WES TUCKER IN OUR MIDST.

WES, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO WITH WIRE AND BUBBLE GUM, YOU KEEP IT TOGETHER. AND IT HAS BEEN ADMIRABLE.

WITH 50,000 ROUNDS A YEAR IS PHENOMENAL.

LITTLE GOLF COURSE LIKE THAT. IT IS PROFITABLE.

AND SOMETHING -- I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR IT.

APPRECIATE WHAT DO YOU WITH WHAT YOU HAVE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU.

ONE MORE COMMENT SO THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND.

THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING FOR OUR STAFF TO DO THIS.

THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN THE ENTIRE ECONOMY OF THE AREA CHANGE AND SO FATHERS AND SONS AND MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS GO OUT AND ENJOY THAT AND NOT HAVE A MEMBERSHIP IN AN ELITE GOLF NEIGHBORHOOD TO DO THAT. WE APPRECIATE OUR STAFF DOING THAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING UP WITH RESOLUTIONS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. IF NOTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD. MR. CONRAD, I WANT TOO MAKE SURE OUR DIRECTION IS CLEAR AND BOARD CORRECTLY, WHAT WE WILL LOOK FOR COMING BACK SOME TIME IN APRIL, MAY TIME FRAME.

THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH EACH OF THE MEMBERS OF BOARD INDIVIDUALLY, YOUR STAFF, YOUR TEAM. HOPEFULLY WE WILL ALL HAVE A

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>> HUNTER CONRAD: WE WILL MEET WITH EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND COME UP WITH OPTIONS OF HOW TO MEET THE DEFICIENCIES.

BL IN >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY, WE WILL MOVE TO THE AMENDED AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 NOW.

>> IF I MAY. I REQUESTED THAT TO BE MOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CERTAINLY DEFER TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON ON ANY SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE IT IS HIS DISTRICT AND HE ALSO CHAIRS THE REC AND P PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

I RECEIVED NUMEROUS E-MAILS BOTH PRO AND CON ON THIS ITEM AND I FELT STRONGLY IT SHOULD BE HEARD BY US AND NOT APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ANYWAY THAT LED TO MY REQUEST IT BE PLACED ON THE REGULAR AGENDA FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK PRO AND CON ON THIS ITEM.

AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO US.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> PAUL WALDRON: WE ARE OKAYING THE GRANT. IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT WE WOULDN'T DO THE TRAIL AT ALL. UP UNTIL NOW, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S -- BUT, YEAH, I HAD THE SAME THING.

I HAD A LOT OF CALLS IN FAVOR. A LOT OF CALLS.

QUITE A FEW AGAINST. MAJORITY IN FAVOR.

A SURVEY DONE BY PARKS AND REC THAT WE WILL GET TO.

I IMAGINE DOUG IS HERE OR JAMIE.

THERE IS DOUG. IF YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK FIRST

WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. >> WHY DON'T WE DO THAT.

WE WILL HEAR FROM OUR STAFF. >> PAUL WALDRON: YEAH, IF YOU

DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. MR. MATEL.

>> YES, SIR, QUICK SUMMARY. I ATTENDED TWO OF THE ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH MEETING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OUT THERE.

WE HAD PAPER SURVEY OF THE MEETINGS.

40 OF THOSE TURNED IN. 72% OF THOSE WERE AGAINST.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING A SURVEY ONLINE THROUGH OUR WEB SITE AS WELL AS ST. AUGUSTINE ASSOCIATION AND ABOUT A MONTH

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PLEASE, THANK YOU.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD FEEDBACK, 822 TOTAL SURVEYS FROM THE COUNTY OF THE TRAIL.

64% SUPPORT THE TRAIL AND 24% OPPOSE.

59% OR 484 LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH THAT ACCOUNTS FOR APPROXIMATELY 22% OF THE HOUSE HOLD THERE AND A PRETTY NICE SAMPLE AT THIS POINT. AS YOU POINTED OUT VERY SPLIT OPINIONS ON THIS. 54% OF THOSE SUPPORT THE TRAIL AND 46% OF THOSE OPPOSE THE TRAIL.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANY QUESTIONS WERE MR. MATEL?

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, DOUG.

THERE HAS BEEN A FLYER GOING AROUND.

THERE TRUTH TO EVERYTHING IN THAT FLYER?

>> NO, SIR. ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SENT ME A COPY OF THAT. SOME OF THE COMMENTS -- AND THE MAIN COMMENT THAT WE BUILD ADDITIONAL PARKING LOTS.

WE WERE REDESIGNING AND I WILL BE AT THE ASSOCIATION MEETING FOR THE LATEST ON THAT. REORGANIZING THE PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE MORE BOATS IN THAT FOOTPRINT AS WELL AS CARS.

REDESIGNING DOUG CRANE AND THE PARK AGENT MULL TREE THAT OVERALL WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE TRAIL USERS.

TRAIL USERS ARE NOT LIKE BOAT USERS AND DON'T STAY ALL DAY.

30 MINUTES IN USE SO THE PARK ALSO TURN OVER AND AGAIN WE MEASURED ABOUT 75% OF THE RESIDENTS COULD WALK AND RIDE A BICYCLE TO THE TRAIL. SO WE DON'T SEE RESIDENTS DRIVING TO THE TRAILHEADS. THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO ACCESS THE TRAIL THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I DO WANT TO COMMEND DOUG IN FRONT OF Y'ALL THAT HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THESE MEE MEETINGS.

APPRECIATE HIM. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU, MR. MATEL. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. VICE-CHAIR.

>> HENRY DEAN: I HOPE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SINCE I PULLED THIS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REVISED ITEM 11 WHICH WAS 19 ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM. >> DORIS TAYLOR.

208 LABELIA ROAD. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY SPEAK TODAY ABOUT PROPOSAL 19 REGARDING THE APPLICATION TO A GRANT TO PAVE A WIDE PATH OF ASPHALT ALONG THREE MILES OF A SCENIC WATERWAY. IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

PART 4, ITEM 4, OF THE APPLICATION ASKS HOW THE PROJECT WOULD ADDRESS ISSUES AND GOALS IDENTIFIED IN THE STATE'S GREENWAYS AND TRAILS PLAN.

THE SPECIFIED TYPE OF PATH REQUIRED TO GET THESE FUNDS IS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.

FIRST, DO NO HARM. ACCEPTANCE OF FUNDS FROM THE RECREATIONAL TRAILS PROGRAM WOULD LEAD TO A PROJECT THAT IS LONG-TERM DAMAGE TO OUR BEAUTIFUL SHORELINE.

IF PEOPLE REALLY WANT A WALKWAY OFF THE ROAD, BUILD A SIDEWALK.

IT WORKS. THERE IS NO NEED TO PAVE OVER OUR GREEN AREAS. THEY ARE NARROW AND PRECIOUS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS MAY NOT BE USED FOR SIDEWALKS, BUT WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING OR NOTHING. A PROPOSED RESOLUTION STATES THAT THE ISSUANCE OF THIS GRANT WON'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE INTERESTS OF THE COUNTY. SEVERAL SPECIFIC HARMS COULD COME OUT OF THE PROPOSED PA PAVING.

ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH HAS 2,000 HOUSES -- OVER 2,000 HOUSES AND APPROXIMATELY 5,000 PEOPLE. IF WE ARE INJURED, THE COUNTY IS INJURED, I FREQUENTLY RIDE MY BICYCLE AND I NEVER TIRE COMING AROUND A BEND OF ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL VIEW, A VIEW THAT WILL BE SCARRED BY PAVING OVER THE GREENERY.

I DON'T EXPECT THAT I WILL RIDE ON THE PATH THAT YOU WANT TO BUILD. I RIDE FAST.

AND I WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BE MORE DANGEROUS FOR ME TO RIDE ON THE PATH THAN ON THE STREET. ANY INCREASED TRAFFIC DRAWN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH OBVIOUSLY HE THINKS WE NEED FOR THE EXTRA PARKING WOULD CREATE A MORE DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT TO

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OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS CURRENTLY ONE OF THE BEST BICYCLING AREAS IN THE COUNTY. PLEASE DON'T RUIN IT WITH EXTRA TRAFFIC. PAVING AN EIGHT X 12-FOOT SWATH BETWEEN SHORE DRIVE AND THE WATER WILL HAVE DESTRUCTION OF NUMEROUS TREE THAT'S WILL REDUCE TREASURED SHADE AS WELL AS WIND PROTECTION. I SUSPECT IT WILL ALSO DAMAGE THE ROOT STRUCTURE AND LEAVE THE SHORE MORE VULNERABLE TO EROSION. IN PART FOUR, ITEM 8 C, THE APPLICATION STATES THE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT

WAS -- >> HENRY DEAN: MAN, WE HAVE TO LIMIT EVERYONE TO THREE MIN MINUTES.

>> 20 SECONDS PLEASE. THREE MINUTES, EVERYONE.

THREE MINUTES. >> PLEASE DON'T DO IT.

>> HENRY DEAN: PLEASE, EVERYONE, ADHERE TO THE THREE-MINUTE RULE. THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. >> HANLE Y CARROLLWOOD 312 WISTERIA ROAD. I BASICALLY AM THE LAST HOUSE ON THE MULL TREE SIDE OF WISTERIA.

I WELCOME THE PARK. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF THE PARK WHICH I SEE ALL POSITIVE.

I DON'T SEE ANY NEGATIVES. I DON'T THINK A STRIP OF ASPHALT IS GOING TO EVEN BE NOTICEABLE FROM THE HOMEOWNERS ON SHORE DRIVE. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE -- IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT TREES.

WHEN YOU BUILT YOUR HOUSE, HOW MANY TREES DID YOU LOSE? TREES GROW. I THINK TREES -- THERE WILL BE MORE TREES ON SHORE DRIVE THEN THERE ARE BECAUSE THE HOME HOMEOWNERS HAVE CUT THEM DOWN OVER THE 60 YEARS THEY HAD ACCESS TO -- TO HAVE THAT AS THEIR FRONT YARD.

THEY SEE IT AS AN EXTENSION OF THEIR FRONT YARD.

THEY DO. IT IS A LAWN.

NOW THE COUNTY HAS COME IN. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO TAKE OVER ALL THAT AND DO, IN ESSENCE, A RESIDENTIAL TYPE MOWING WITH ZERO RADIUS. AND THEY WILL PROBABLY PLANT TREES. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ACCESS -- THE PUBLIC ACCESS, WE CAN'T GET ON -- I SEE YOUNG MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN WITH A STROLLER AND TWO KIDS WALKING ON SHORE DRIVE. THERE IS TRAFFIC OUT THERE.

TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES. PLEASE, PLEASE LET'S GIVE THEM AN OPTION TO GET OFF THE ROAD. THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE THE DRIVE. BUT I -- I LIVED IN ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH FOR OVER 30 30 YEARS.

AND I AM VERY UNHAPPY OF THE WAY THIS THING HAS GONE DOWN WITH THE PUBLIC. AN INTENSIVE CAMPAIGN TO STIFLE THIS. OKAY.

AND I SEE IT AS GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL THING.

IT WILL LOOK BETTER. I DON'T MIND IF SOMEBODY IS WALKING ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE. AGAIN, FARTHER AWAY FROM MY HOUSE IF I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE CROWDS OUT THRE.

YOU KNOW. BUT IT IS DANGEROUS WALKING ON THAT ROAD. I WALK IT ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR YEARS. AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE OUT THERE. I LOOK OVER MY SHOULDER IF I HEAR A TRUCK COMING. I FEEL VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS. THIS HAPPENED IN 2003.

I SAW THE SAME -- SOME OF THESE SAME PEOPLE.

SHUT IT DOWN AND GOING ON THE PROPERTY.

I WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO MY COUNTY PARK PROPERTY AND THE WAY TO DO IT IS BY DOING A RECREATIONAL TRAIL WHICH IS A KNOWN ENTITY. SO, PLEASE, GENTLEMEN, MOVE THIS FORWARD SO WE CAN DO THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY WILL PROBABLY -- WHEN THIS IS ALL OVER HAVE ONE -- PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED IN 2003, IF I KNEW THAT THE PARKS WOULD HAVE DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB, I WOULD NEVER OPPOSE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. PLEASE SUPPORT AND MOVE THS

FORWARD. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, NEXT. YES, MA'AM, NAME AND ADDRESS,

PLEASE, MA'AM. >> LAURIE DAVIDSON 1824 SHORE DRIVE. IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I THINK I FOUND $400,000 YOU CAN USE FOR THE GOLF COURSE WE DON'T PUT THIS GRANT FOR A TRAIL THAT ISN'T NECESSARY. OUR PARK THAT IS SAY CROSSES ALL ALONGSHORE DRIVE. SHORE DRIVE IS NOT -- I AM SORRY THAT GENTLEMAN FEELS IT IS SO UNSAFE.

I LIVE ON SHORE DRIVE. I LIVED ON A BUSY STREET IN NEW YORK. I KNOW WHAT A BUSY STREET IS.

SHORE DRIVE IS A WALK IN THE PARK.

ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE EXTREMELY CONSCIOUS OF THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WALK, WALK THEIR CHILDREN, WALK THEIR DOGS.

EVERYBODY GOES SLOW. STOPS, GOES AROUND THEM.

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY INSTANCES OF SOMEBODY BEING HURT OR HIT BY A CAR ON SHORE DRIVE ACCORDING TO MR. PATALI,

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BUT THE BOAT RAMP ALONE WITH THE ADDITIONAL PARK ALSO BRING IN AN INFLUX OF PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY WHICH IS FINE.

I LITERALLY LOOK OUT MY WINDOW AT THE BOAT RAMP, BUT -- NOW WE ARE TALKING OF BRINGING AN INFLUX OF MORE PEOPLE ON TOP OF THAT TO USE THE TRAIL. AND THEN AT THIS POINT, THEN WHERE DOES IT STOP? NOW THE TRAIL HAS TO BE ADA COMPLIANT THAT REQUIRES BATHROOMS. THAT REQUIRES GARBAGE PAILS. THE! GENTLEMAN SAID WE THINK OF THE PARK AS AN EXTENSION OF OUR PROPERTY. NO, WE WANT IT TO LOOK NICE.

PEOPLE LOVE TO DRIVE SHORE DRIVE BECAUSE IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

BEAUTIFULLY KEPT BY THE NEIGHBORS.

THIS GREEN AREA IS PART OF THE BEAUTY OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE REASON THE PEOPLE MOVE THERE. AND NOW THEY WANT TO TAKE IT AND PUT A PATH THROUGH IT. THERE ARE PARTS OF THE PARK THAT AREN'T EVEN WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE PATH.

FIRST THEY SAID THE PATH WAS GOING TO BE SIX FEET.

THEN SIX TO EIGHT FEET. THEN EIGHT TO TEN FEET.

NOW 10 TO 12 FEET. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE HAS TO BE AREA FOUR FEET ON EITHER SIDE OF THE TRAIL HAS TO ALSO BE RIPPED OUT FOR WHATEVER THE REGULATION IS.

WE ARE UP TO 20 FEET RUNNING THROUGH A PARK WITH AREAS ONLY TEN FEET WIDE. I AM NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BUT TO BRING MORE TRAFFIC, MORE PEOPLE MORE PROBLEMS ON SHORE DRIVE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO WALK ON SHORE DRIVE AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE HALF MILE FROM THE PARK OR THE TRAIL HAVE TO WALK TO GET THERE SO THEY HAVE TO WALK DOWN OR DRIVE DOWN TO THE TRAIL.

EITHER WAY YOU ARE PUTTING MORE PEOPLE ON THE ROADS, MORE CARS ON THE ROAD AND YOU ARE JUST ASKING FOR MORE TROUBLE.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

NEXT. >> I AM STEVE COLLINS.

151 NAUTILUS ROAD. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH SINCE 1999. LOVE THE AREA.

LOVE THE GREENWAY THERE. I SEE THIS GREENWAY AS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THOSE WHO LIVE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY MY WIFE WHO IS HANDICAPPED. SHE IS IN A WHEELCHAIR FULL TIME. SHE WAS A DANCER AND UNFORTUNATELY LIFE WAS NOT KIND TO HER, BUT SHE IS ISOLATED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE IS NO RECORDS OF PEOPLE BEING HIT ON SHORE DRIVE, BUT ASIA MCCAFFREY WAS HIT ON SHORE DRIVE. FROM ST. AUGUSTINE NORTH TO THE BOAT RAMP AND A LITTLE BEYOND. A LOT OF INCIDENTS, CLOSE INCIDENTS AND I HEARD PEOPLE SAY, IF YOU WERE WALKING ON SHORE DRIVE AND THE CAR COMES, GET ON THE GRASS.

THAT EXCLUDES MY WIFE AND EXCLUDES SOME OF THE CHILDREN WHO WERE IN STROLLERS AND THINGS.

I THINK THE ISSUE OF THIS PARK IS JUST -- IS -- A LOT TO DO WITH SAFETY. I KNOW THE WORLD SHOULDN'T HAVE TO CONVENIENCE MY WIFE, BUT I THINK SINCE THIS BROUGHT UP, I DIDN'T PETITION THIS, BUT NOW THAT IT IS BROUGHT UP, I THINK IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE HANDICAPPED AND BEING EXCLUDED BECAUSE LIFE IS EXCLUDING SOMETIMES.

YES, I CAN TAKE HER TO THE BEACH, BUT SHE CAN'T GET AROUND EASILY. HOW WONDERFUL FOR HER TO BE ABLE TO EXERCISE ON HER WHEELCHAIR AND GET ON THE PATH AND ENJOY NATURE INSTEAD HE EXCLUDING HER WHICH IS CURRENTLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.

WE ARE JUST -- LIKE I SAID I DIDN'T COME TO YOU AND SAID I NEED THIS FOR MY WIFE, SINCE THIS IS PETITIONED I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS FOR MY WIFE, FOR MY CHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILD. WE DON'T -- WE DON'T WALK ALONGSHORE DRIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS NICE WOMAN WHO CAME IN FRONT OF ME IS TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST -- JUST TAKE AN AFTERNOON AND WALK ALONG SAINT AUGUSTINE DRIVE AND WALK NORTH. AND THEN YOU WILL REALIZE HOW UNSAFE THAT ROAD REALLY IS. IT'S OKAY.

THERE ARE DANGERS AND RISKS IN EVERYTHING.

I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THAT BUT WHY NOT IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE LANDS OWNED BY ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ITS PARK, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND BEEN LIVING THERE A LONG TIME. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL PASS THIS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL THOSE WHO LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH AND I GUESS IT BENEFITS ST. JOHNS COUNTY TOO AND WE ARE SORT OF PARTIAL BECAUSE WE LIVE RIGHT THERE AND WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENJOY THE NATURE AND NOT SECLUDE A FEW, BUT ALL THAT ENJOY AND THE REALLY BEAUTIFUL PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

YES, MA'AM. >> MY NAME IS MISHELIN BOWDEN

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JUST TO FOLLOW WHAT HE IS SAYING.

WE ALREADY HAVE A WHEELCHAIR RAMP THERE AND TRAIL, WHICH IS ALL ADA COMPLIANT. SO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THIS FOR THE PEOPLE -- I WAS WHEELCHAIR BOUND AND I WENT THERE.

THERE IS ONE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAVE THREE MILES OF IT FOR IT. AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO MR. BATALI'S SURVEY. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS NUMBER.

TOTALLY -- LET ME GET THE RIGHT WORD -- MISREPRESENTED THOSE NUMBERS. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE CLOSELY LESS THAN 200 PEOPLE THAT VOTED YES FOR THIS TRAIL.

AND SOME OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS VOTED THREE OR FOUR TIMES.

AND IT IS A FACT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN PRINTED.

AND ALL THE COMMENTS -- OH, IT IS GOING TO BRING TOO MUCH TROUBLE -- TOO MUCH TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.

200 PEOPLE OUT OF THE RESIDENTS -- HE MENTIONED HOUSEHOLDS, I AM -- 5400 RESIDENTS IN THIS. NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS.

92% OF THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW THIS TRAIL IS EVIDENT.

THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE. HOW CAN YOU SAY IF EVERYBODY IS IN FAVOR. 92% OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

AND WHEN WE HAD A SURVEY AT MEETING, I CORRECT HIS NUMBER AGAIN. 75% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT SURVEY. I WAS THERE.

I SAW THE RESULT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE HIS NUMBERS ARE COMING, BUT MANIPULATION, I GUESS.

BUT -- AND ALSO THE BIKE TRAIL WILL SERVE ONLY THE PRIVILEGED THAT CAN WALK THERE. ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE -- ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE, THE STROLLER AND BABIES AND EVERYBODY ELSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY TO GO TO THE -- TO GO TO THAT TRAIL.

THEY WALK OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY GO WALK THEIR DOG BEFORE BED AND THE KIDS GO ON TO THE BUS SCHOOL.

IF YOU SEE THAT ON SHORE DRIVE, KIDS COME IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL BUS. THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO.

JUST THIS LITTLE STREET. THE PEOPLE ON SHORE DRIVE, THEY HAVE THE WHOLE THING -- THEY JUST HAVE ONE EAST.

AND THEN THEY ARE SAFE. IT IS -- I MEAN, IT IS THERE.

IT IS SAFE. JUST GET THEM THE PAVEMENT AND BOOM ONE FOOT ON THE SIDE. NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE WALKING THERE. BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NOT THAT MEAN PEOPLE. THEY WILL WIPE OUT 18 FEET, BULLDOZE, PLOW. AND WILL BRING FLOODING AND THEN. HERE YOU GO, LIKE -- THE SERIOUS EROSION THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE RIVER IS GOING TO TAKE O OVER.

THE HOMEOWNERS WILL BE FLOODED LIKE THE BOAT RAMP TOOK ALL THE TREE OUT. ARE YOU GOING TO BE THERE TO BUILD US A SEAWALL? TO DO THAT TO BE PROTECTED AND SHOW YOU -- THE SHOREFRONT FOR ASPHALT THAT --

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. THAT IS YOUR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. THREE MINUTES.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. THANK YOU MA'AM.

YES, SIR, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> BRUCE DAVIDSON. 1824 NORTH SHORE DRIVE.

I LIVED THERE SEVEN YEARS AND I MOVED THERE BECAUSE A BEAUTIFUL AREA. AND I SIT OUT IN THE MORNING ON A SATURDAY, AND YOU WILL SEE 20, 30 BICYCLES GO DOWN THE ROAD. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO USE A PATH. NEIGHBORS, YEAH, THEY WALK THEIR BABIES AND IN CARRIAGES OUT THERE.

WHEN WE WERE ALERTED TO THIS. WE FOUND OUT THROUGH A NEIGHBOR -- NO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT WASN'T A SURVEY MADE.

A SURVEY IN 2006 WITH AT OUTLAY OF THIS PATH.

THE ORIGINAL PAST WAS SIX FEET. NOW 12 BECAUSE THEY CHANGED REGULATIONS. AM I RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT I HEAR. TO BUILD THIS GO ONE FOOT DOWN AND RIP ALL THE VEGETATION. TREES GO UP AND DOWN SHORE DRIVE THAT PROTECT THAT LAND AND HOUSES ALONG THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO BE FLOODED OUT BECAUSE A PATH AND NO TO PROTECT ME. A BIG FACTOR.

THE PATH ISN'T AN ANSWER. THEY PUT THE ROAD IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE AND FIX THE ROAD. THEY COULD HAVE WENT FIVE FEET OUT AND PUT A BIKE PATH RIGHT THERE.

INSTEAD THEY WANT TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW OPTION AND MAKE MORE SENSE TO WIDEN THE ROAD AND MAKE A BIKE PATH THAN A STROLLER PATH FOR PEOPLE. PEOPLE OBSERVE TRAFFIC LAWS AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE ENVIRONMENT DESTROYED. A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND TAKE DOWN

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>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA

MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MARGO GEAR, 249 A GAW PUT THAT ROAD -- ARGONAUT ROAD.

THE EIGHT-FOOT-WIDE RECREATIONAL TRAIL FOR THE SHORE LINE WATERFRONT PARK. WHY I HAVE A ARGENAUT ADDRESS IS A POST OFFICE MYSTERY AS MY HOUSE, MY DRIVEWAY AND MY ACTUAL MAILBOX IS ON SHORE DRIVE.

MY PROPERTY DIRECTLY FACES THE SECTION OF THE PARK AND TRAIL SHOWN ON PAGE 4 OF THE PLANS WHICH I BELIEVE CORRESPONDS TO PAGE 57 OF THE 217 PAGES OF SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS IN YOUR PACKAGE. NO MATTER WHICH PAGE IT IS ON, A FAIR SECTION OF THE AUSTRALIA DIRECTLY OPPOSITE MY FRONT DOOR AS THE PLANNED AUSTRALIA CROSSES ONE OF THE SIX LOCATIONS DEEMED AS NEEDING A WOODEN WALKWAY AND THE FULL LENGTH OF THE OPEN SPACE VISIBLE FROM MY FRONT PORCH.

UNLIKE SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE OPPOSE TO THE PROJECT.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE TRAIL INCREASE TRAFFIC, CRIME, FLOODING AND KILL BABY BUNNIES AS POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

WHAT IT WILL DO PROVIDE ADA ACCESS TO A THREE-MILE STRETCH OF THE INTRACOASTAL WATER WAY RUNNING THROUGH OPEN AND WOODED AREAS BETWEEN THE TWO EXISTING BOAT RAMPS IN ST. AUGUST SFEEN SOUND. ONCE COMPLETED THE TRAIL WILL GREATLY INCREASE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ALONG THE SECTION AS THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THIS AREA OF SHORE DRIVE NONE PLANNED AND AS YOU KNOW IF WE WANTED TO START SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES, WE WOULD BE YEARS OUT.

TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS PLANNED FOR MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I LOOKED AT SEVERAL SIMILAR PROJECTS SUCH AS CANOPY SHORE AND SEVERAL WALKOVERS AND PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS.

WHILE DOING THAT, I REALIZED HOW MUCH TIME, EFFORT, PLANNING AND FINANCES GO INTO PROVIDING PUBLIC ACCESS WHILE PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCES. I WOULD NOT WANT ANY OF YOUR JOBS. PERSONALLY, I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT ALREADY PUT INTO THIS PROJECT.

A RESIDENT OF ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE INVESTMENT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU AND ALL THAT YOU DO AND THE ST. JOHNS STAFF AND SO MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT WORK HARD EVERY DAY TO MAKE THIS ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE MAGICAL JEWEL THAT WE ALL GET TO CALL HOME.

IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY STAFF THAT WORK ON THESE PLANS IN 2006 AND 2007. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM PERSONALLY BECAUSE THERE IS A CROSSWALK ON PAGE 4 OF THESE PLANS DIRECTLY BY MY DRIVEWAY. AND THAT CROSSWALK IS GOING TO GET USED A LOT. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS EXCELLENT CIVICS LESSON. AN INTERESTING DAY.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE. PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU COME AHEAD, MAN AND SIR, WE WILL FOLLOW YOU NEXT. CALL ON YOU NEXT.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, MA MA'AM.

>> SUZANNE CLULO UNIT 102. 2 I MOVED IN 1997. 2007 I BOUGHT A BUILDING LOT IN ST. AUGUSTINE WHERE MY DAUGHTER AND HER FAMILY CURRENT WILL HE LIVE. A PAVED TRAIL AND PARK WILL PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE TO ENJOY THIS ONE OF A KIND PUBLIC USE THREE-MILE CONTINUOUS INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY SHOREWAY.

CURRENTLY THE ONLY PAVED AREA OF THE PARK OF WHICH TO TRAVERSE AS YOU HEARD IS ON THE ROAD.

I HAVE SEEN WHEELCHAIRS OUT THERE, BIKES, KIDS LEARNING TO RIDE A BIKE. IT IS NOT SAFE.

YOU CAN BARELY GET TWO LARGE VEHICLES TO PASS ONE ANOTHER ON THAT ROAD. WITH THE ADDITION OF A PAVED TRAIL, THIS PARK HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MOB MOBILITY-ACCESSIBLE PARKS IN THE COUNTY PARK SYSTEM. A PLACE TO SAFELY ENJOY PEACEFUL VISTAS OF THE RIVER WHILE ADULTS CAN CASUALLY CY CYCLE, CHILDREN LEARN TO BIKE, AND ANYONE CAN SAFELY WALK, WHEELCHAIRS WILL BE EASILY U USED.

MOST OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR PART OF THE COUNTY DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS. THE CHILDREN REALLY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. THERE IS NO OTHER SOUTHERN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AREA THAT PROVIDES A SAFE, PAVED TRAIL WITH AN

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I AM STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS TRAIL.

I HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY TO ME BUT WE HAVE OTHER PARKS.

THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE ONLY PLACE I FOUND IS CANOBIE PARK WHICH IS ONE A QUARTER MILE IN THE WOODS ROUND KIND OF TRAIL. NO OTHER TRAIL IS ACCESSIBLE.

NOT EVEN VALE POINT. TOO MANY STEEPS UP AND DOWNS THERE. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.

THIS WILL BE UTILIZED AND IT COULD REALLY BE THE ONLY PLACE LEFT IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO BE PRESERVED -- I MEAN THREE MILES. THINK OF THREE MILES OF UNINTERRUPTED PEACEFUL WALKING ALONG THE INTERCOASTAL.

YOU DON'T GET THAT ANYMORE UNLESS YOU GET IN YOUR BOAT AND DRIVE DOWN IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO AND I HOPE YOU VOTE YES.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU. NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? YES, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, SIR? >> TOM CASEY JR.

208 LABELIA ROAD ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

PART 4, ITEM 8 C OF YOUR APPLICATION STATES PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT WAS OBTAINED.

YET EXHIBIT N 3 IS MISSING. SPECIFICALLY HOW WERE PEOPLE NOTIFIED OF THE ONLINE SURVEY. AFTER HOURS OF TALKING TO NEIGHBORS, I FOUND THAT MOST AREN'T AFFAIR THIS IS BEING CONSIDERED. WHEN THEY FIND OUT NINE OUT OF TEN DON'T WANT IT. THE SURVEY OFFERED PRECIOUS LITTLE DETAIL WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED AND IT CAN'T POSSIBLY REVEAL ANY RELIABLE INFOR INFORMATION.

ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH MEETING INVOLVED PRESENTATION.

NO CLEAR PLAN WAS REVEALED. WE WERE TOLD THE EXISTING PLAN FROM YEARS AGO CAN'T BE USED. BUT WE WEREN'T TOLD WHY.

THE WIDTH OF THE TRAIL IS DISCUSSED AND POSSIBLY FIVE TO 12 FEET THE VAGUENESS IS ABSURD.

DON'T PASS THIS PROPOSAL. FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT.

EVERYTHING ELSE I CAN'T -- THIS IS MY WIFE'S STUFF SO I CAN'T GET IT ALL. MY THING IS WE ARE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL TO YOU. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SPEND 1 1,250,000 ON THIS PLAN. SAVE THE MONEY.

SPEND IT ON A GOLF COURSE THAT PEOPLE WANT FIXED.

HAVE A NICE DAY. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, NEXT, PLEASE. >> HELLO, RUTH POPE.

133 NEPTUNE ROAD IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS RECREATIONAL TRAIL. I MOVED TO ST. AUGUSTINE IN 2013, AND I ACTUALLY BOUGHT IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH HAVING DONE IT THE OLD FASHION WAY A MAP FROM PUBLIX, SCOURED THE WHOLE AREA AND SPOTTED SHORE DRIVE. I WENT HOME WITH MY HUSBAND, AND WE SPENT THE WHOLE WEEK LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WAS SHORE DRIVE THAT ATTRACTED US TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I FIND IT AMAZING RECREATIONAL RESOURCE. I WALK DAILY ALONGSHORE DRIVE FROM NEPTUNE OVER TO THE PARK AND BACK.

AND THAT IS ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILES.

AND I OCCASIONALLY WALK THE OTHER WAY TO THE MULTRIE BOAT RAMP. I SPECIFICALLY LIKE THE SMALL TRAIL TO THE BOARDWALK. IT IS ONLY FIVE FEET WIDE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS OPPOSE A VERY WIDE TRAIL BUT WOULD BE ACTUALLY QUITE HAPPY WITH A WALKING TRAIL. AND I THINK THAT I MYSELF WILL SUPPORT THE LOWER LIMIT ON THE TRAIL THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED WHICH IS. I HAVE A VERY DEAR FRIEND WHO IS PARTIALLY SIGHTED WHO LIVES ON THAT JUNE ROAD AND SHE IS NOW NO LONGER ABLE TO ACCESS THE PARK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T WALK ON UNEVEN SURFACES. I ALSO HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE

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THEY CANNOT ACCESS THE PARK BECAUSE THE -- THE SHORT TRAIL THAT IS AVAILABLE TAKES TEN MINUTES TO WALK AND REALLY ISN'T -- WE ARE BACKING UP AND EVERYTHING IN THE CAR TO TRY TO DRIVE TO THE CAR PARK AND TO WATCH US FOR TEN MINUTES.

I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING RESOURCE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE ABLE TO WALK FROM ONE BOAT RAMP TO THE OTHER I DON'T THINK IT WILL ATTRACT A LARGE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC FROM OUTSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WENT TO VAIL POINT AND CANOPY SHORE PARKS AND THOSE PARKS ARE ESSENTIALLY NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND CANOPY AND SHORE PARK HAVE REST ROOMS IN THE TOP LOT AS DOES VAIL POINT. THEY ARE NOT HUGELY CROWDED.

VAIL PARK CAR PARK IS EVER FULLY FULL WHEN A NATURALIST PROGRAM THERE. SO I THINK THIS WILL REMAIN A RESOURCE TO MY OWN NEIGH NEIGHBORHOOD.

I THINK IT WILL INCREASE OUR HOME VALUES BECAUSE REAL STORES WILL SELL IT AS A RESORT WHEN THEY ARE ADVERTISING HOMES FOR SALE. AND I THINK IT WILL GIVE EQ EQUITY. IT WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY CAN ENJOY THE PARK. NOT JUST THOSE WHO TAKE THEIR LIFE IN THEIR HANDS ON SHORE DRIVE.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE? PUBLIC COMMENT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

TWO AND A HALF. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE,

MA'AM. >> DIANE CAMPBELL 138 LONDON ROAD. I AM OPPOSED TO THE TRAIL EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE ON SHORE DRIVE.

I FEEL LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER OPPONENTS HAVE BEEN -- THAT WILL DISRUPT THE BEAUTY OF SHORE DRIVE.

AND I KNOW THAT HE SPOKE OF ADDING MORE PARKING SPOTS.

BUT FOR THE BOAT RAMP. SO WHERE WOULD PEOPLE PARK FOR THE TRAIL WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED? SO THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I HAVE.

AND ALSO THE SURVEY. LIKE ANOTHER SPEAKER MENTIONED.

A LOT OF RESIDENTS AREN'T EVEN AWARE THAT THE TRAIL IS GOING TO BE -- IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT.

SO I THINK MORE RESIDENTS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND I THINK THAT AN IMPORTANT FACTOR. I THINK MORE PEOPLE INCLUDED IN THE SURVEY. AND I AM JUST REALLY OPPOSED TO THE TRAIL FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST THE BEAUTY AND -- AND I FEEL THAT WE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.

EVEN FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GET TO THE TRAIL.

FROM OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING TO USE IT.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? HELLO. YEAH.

>> HENRY DEAN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYONE.

IF YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN. NOW GO -- WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CALLS COMING -- CALLING IN. THE FIRST CALLER NAME AND ADDRESS. FIRST CALLER, NAME AND ADDRESS.

HELLO. >> JENNIFER COLLINS.

>> HENRY DEAN: YES, ADDRESS? >> 151 NAUTILUS ROAD IN ST.

AUGUSTINE SOUTH. WE HAVE BEEN HERE 22 YEARS.

AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE OTHER WHEELCHAIR RAMP IS THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT. I HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN IT, I GUESS. I COME FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I HAVE A DISEASE.

I HAVE GONE FROM BEING ABLE TO RUN ON THE ROAD TO NOW JUST IN A WHEELCHAIR. AND I CAN NO LONGER DO THAT.

I GOT A WHEELCHAIR THAT WAS ABLE TOO GO A LITTLE BIT OFF ROAD AND MY DAUGHTER WAS ABLE TO PUSH ME DOWN TO PART OF THE INTERCOASTAL INLET WHERE I PREVIOUSLY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO AND I SAW HOW MUCH I WAS MISSING.

ANYWAY, I -- SCOOTED ALONG THE ROAD WITH MY BOYS.

AND MY HUSBAND AS THEY ARE GOING FOR A WALK.

AND WHEN A CAR COMES, I CANNOT GET OFF THE ROAD.

WITH THE NEW PAVEMENT, IT IS NOW EVEN MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. PEOPLE WHO WALK DON'T REALIZE

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SO I HAVE BEEN LOOKING OUT, AND I HAVE BEEN SEEING THE FAMILIES THAT ARE SCATTERING TO GET OFF THE ROAD WITH THEIR BIKES AND THE JOGGERS. AND THERE ARE MANY.

A BEAUTIFUL TRAIL -- AND ROAD AND PEOPLE GO SLOWLY.

SO THERE ARE MANY TURNS. AND AS YOU ARE COMING AROUND, YOU DON'T -- YOU CAN'T ALWAYS SEE -- ESPECIALLY IF IT IS DARK AND EARLY IN THE MORNING YOU CAN'T ALL SEE -- I HAD A FRIEND WO GOT HIT ON HIS BIKE A FEW YEARS BACK RIGHT ON SHORE DR DRIVE. AND ANYWAY, I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL ABOUT ME, BUT I KNOW ALREADY OTHERS LIKE ME WHO WILL BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE TRAIL AND FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL AND FOR THE ACCESSIBLE ENJOYMENT FOR OTHERS LIKE ME.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, NEXT CALLER.

NEXT CALLER PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS JEAN ASHTON, 1274 PRINCE ROAD, 30-YEAR HOMEOWNER IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

I AM ADAMANTLY AGAINST THIS TRAIL.

I DON'T SEE THAT DESTROYING THE SMALL AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE BETWEEN THE WATER AND THE RESIDENTS IS GOING TO COMPROMISE THAT AREA FOR FLOODING AND THAT IS CERTAINLY A HUGE CONCERN. AND ASPHALT IS NOT GOING TO BE AS ABSORBENT AS GRASS. AND AS YOU WELL KNOW IN FLO FLORIDA, WE CAN SEE TEMPERATURES AT 90 DEGREES STARTING AS SOON AS APRIL AND LASTING AS LONG AS OCTOBER.

AND A LOT OF THIS TRAIL WILL BE IN THE DIRECT SUNLIGHT.

IT WON'T BE GOOD FOR THE ELDERLY, THE HANDICAP, CHILDREN, THE PET OWNERS. IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC.

PEOPLE WILL NOT JUST WALK ON THE TRAIL.

THEY WILL STILL BE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO, PLEASE, DO NOT DESTROY WHAT LITTLE BIT OF GREEN SPACE WE HAVE LEFT. PLEASE.

DO NOT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, BEACH, FLORIDA. FIRST OF ALL, GENTLEMEN, I CAN'T THANKS COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ENOUGH FOR THAT LAST ONE, EVEN THOUGH THE TWO LAWYERS CHEATED US OUT OF NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM 100% FOR THIS PATH.

AS ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND NUMBER ONE RIDE SHARE OPERATOR IN ALL OF THE AREA, I HAVE BEEN OVER THAT PLACE HUNDREDS OF TIMES.

AND I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE COULD ACTUALLY THINK THEY DON'T NEED SIDEWALKS.

I AM AMAZED. I AM AMAZED AT PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW I NOTICED SOMETHING. WHAT IS WITH THESE PEOPLE FROM NEW YORK THAT COME HERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN DON'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE TO ENJOY EVERYTHING. I LIVED ON BUSY STREETS.

YOU KNOW, GENTLEMEN, ON BUSY STREET TRAFFIC GO SLOWER BECAUSE THEY ARE BUSY AND THAT IS WHAT TRAFFIC DOES.

I HAVE BEEN ON THAT STREET OVER THERE.

I AM IN A CAR, A PRETTY HEAVY CAR AND I AM SCARED OF THE PEOPLE RIDING OVER THERE. I TELL YOU SOMETHING -- TO HEAR THAT LADY IN THE WHEELCHAIR AND ALREADY KNOW WHAT -- WHAT THIS COUNTY HAS DONE TO PEOPLE IN THE PAST THAT ARE HANDICAPPED.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO ANY FURTHER THAN THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND WHAT THEY DID TO THE HAN HANDICAPPED PEOPLE AT ST. JOHNS COUNTY PIER WHICH IS TERRIBLE. ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO CREATE PATH AND CREATE PLACES WHERE NICE PEOPLE CAN WALK AND ENJOY THE BEAUTY DOWN THERE. LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT.

WE WANT PARKS. WE WANT PATHS.

WE WANT TO ENJOY IT. WE WANT TO WALK ALONG.

I WANT -- YOU KNOW SOMETHING, IN FACT, I WANT TO SEE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS DOWN THERE AND ENJOYS THE BEAUTIFUL OF THAT AREA AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE.

AND AS FAR AS -- MOTHERS WITH STROLLERS THRIVING DUCK TRAFFIC AND GET OUT OF THE WAY. DO THEY NOT SEE THIS? ARE THEY LIVING IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AS WHAT GOES ON

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SHAME ON THOSE PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST SOMETHING LIKE THAT THESE NIMBYS NEED TO GO BACK TO NEW YORK. GOVERNOR CUOMO HAS A NURSING HOMEROOM FOR YOU. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY. NEXT CALLER.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> YES, NATALIE BELSAMI, RAIL POINT ROAD. BUT I DO ACTUALLY -- I AM GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK. I DON'T KNOW WHY.

BUT I ACTUALLY DO OWN PROPERTY ON VAIL -- ON SHORE DRIVE.

AND THE ADVANTAGE I HAVE IS THAT I DO LIVE ON VAIL POINT ROAD AND THERE IS A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OR IS THERE -- >> HENRY DEAN: YES, GO AHEAD.

WE HEAR YOU FINE. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

ANYWAY, THERE IS A SIDEWALK AND WHEN THEY BUILT THE SIDEWALK, I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH IT. I WANTED TO KNOW, NUMBER ONE, ARE THERE GOING TO HAVE TO BE RAILINGS ON THIS PATH? MA'AM, GO AHEAD. WE WILL GET THE STAFF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS LATER. GO AHEAD.

>> OKAY. GO AHEAD? ALL RIGHT. SO SEVERAL THINGS.

I -- I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT -- YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH TRAFFIC AND AS SOMEONE POINTED OUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO WIDEN THE ROAD AND PUT A BIKE PATH ALONG THE ROAD. I FEEL LIKE AS THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER SAID THAT WE ARE TEARING UP NATURE.

AND WE JUST GOT -- GOT MESSAGES FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY HOW URN TRYING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. WELL, -- MORE KINDLY TO NATURE THERE RATHER THAN TEARING THINGS UP AND THIS WILL DEFINITELY IMPACT THAT -- THAT AREA.

I THINK THAT IF YOU MUST HAVE -- IF YOU MUST HAVE A PATH THERE, IT -- IT SHOULD CERTAINLY NOT BE THE MAXIMUM WIDTH. BECAUSE I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTING OF A PATH THAT WAS JUST LIGHT ENOUGH FOR WALKING -- WIDE ENOUGH FOR WALKING AND FOR PEOPLE WITH WHEELCHAIRS.

WHEN YOU BRING BIKES INTO IT, YOU ARE INCREASING THE DANGER.

THERE ARE LOTS OF INCIDENTS OF BIKES CREATING PROBLEMS FOR PEDESTRIANS. SO THAT IS A BAD COMBINATION.

AND AS FOR THE LADY WHO SAID SHE DOESN'T KNOW ANYWHERE TO GO OR ANY OTHER PARKS. A BEAUTIFUL PARK AT THE END OF VAIL POINT ROAD WITH VERY WIDE PATHS.

AND THERE ARE OTHER PLACES AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE TO GET INTO YOUR CAR. AND DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THIS.

PEOPLE WILL PARK ALONGSHORE DRIVE.

YOU MAY -- YOU CAN MAKE PARKING LOTS WHEREVER YOU WANT, BUT PEOPLE WILL PARK ALONGSHORE DRIVE AND I ASK THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT HAVING IT THERE IF THEY WOULD LIKE C CARS PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.

SO -- AND THAT WILL ALSO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AND THE CONGESTION ON THAT. SO I THINK IF YOU ARE INVITING MORE -- MORE PROBLEMS THAN YOU ARE GOING TO SOLVE.

BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME BEAUTIFUL PARKS IN THIS AREA.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THREE MINUTES ARE UP. NEXT CALLER.

>> JOHN -- [INAUDIBLE] -- 3224 SHORE DRIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

WE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF RESIDENTS USE THE PARK, BY ALL MEANS. WHAT WE ARE NOT SUPPORT OF IS TAKING AWAY FROM THE GREEN SPACE FOR A BIKE TRAIL.

THIS WILL MINIMIZE THE GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY WITH THEIR KIDS, THEIR DOGS.

I HAVE GOT PEOPLE COMING UP HERE FOR -- YOU NAME IT YOU CAN DO IT OUT HERE. WHO IS THE RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO COME TO A PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE A BIKE TRAIL IN THE BACKGROUND OR HAVE TO FIGHT THE PEOPLE THAT IS USING IT.

USED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FOR PEOPLE TO JUST WALK THEIR DOG.

WALK IN THE NATURAL GREEN SPACE AND USE IT THAT WAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO RUIN THAT.

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WHO IS GOING TO COME OUT AND CLEAN THE PARK? I CAN TELL FROM YOU EXPERIENCE THE LAST TWO MAJOR HURRICANES WE HAD, I NEVER SEEN PARKS AND RECREATION OUT HERE CLEANING IT UP. I HAVE CLEANED IT UP AS WELL AS MOST RESIDENTS. WE TAKE CARE OF IT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO RUIN A PERFECTLY GOOD GREEN SPACE. IN ST. AUGUSTINE TO FIND A PLACE LIKE THIS. KEEP IT NATURAL IS WHAT I AM SAYING. WITH THE GROWTH, WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BRING IN MORE PEOPLE TO A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD? I CAN TELL YOU, I SIT ON MY PORCH PRACTICALLY EVERY DAY.

I DO NOT SEE CARS SPEEDING. I SEE PEOPLE WALKING THEIR CHILDREN. I SEE BICYCLISTS.

THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS HELPS YOU. BUT JUST FOR TODAY FOR THREE HOURS I SAT OUT HERE AND I COUNTED HOW MANY WALKERS AND HOW MANY BIKERS. IS THERE A NUMBER THAT YOU GO BY? I AM ASKING? FOR USE? I COUNTED 23 WALKERS AND 14 BIKERS. THAT IS IN THREE HOURS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE BETTER DAYS THAT WE HAVE HAD IN QUITE A WHILE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TO BRING IN PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE RIDING AND USING THIS PARK? WHEN IT IS IN A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

DON'T RUIN IT. WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THIS MONEY AND TUESDAY FOR THE GOLF CO COURSE.

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A LOT MORE DEMAND FOR THE GOLF COURSE THAN THAT WALKWAY. NO WAY THIS WALKWAY IS GOING TO ADD VALUE TO THE HOMES ON SHORE DRIVE WILL AT ALL.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU, SIR. YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT CALL.

NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THOMAS SHRINER 162 NAUTILUS ROAD ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

I AM CALLING TODAY TO URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO SUPPORT THIS TRAIL. I AM AND OTHER FAMILIES WITH SMALL CHILDREN AND TODDLERS USE SHORE DRIVE.

AND IT IS UNSAFE. I MEAN, ANYONE WITH A SMALL CHILD ON A BIKE OR WALKING HAVE TO RUN OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD EVERY TIME A CAR COMES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, HANDICAP CAN'T USE THESE AREAS. SO I AM ALSO CALLING TO THANK DOUG FOR BEING RESPONSIVE IN ALL OF THIS AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE RESPONDED TO THE E-MAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH AND AS SOON AS 'IT, THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NEXT CALLER. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> 1044 SHORE DRIVE. >> HENRY DEAN: YES, GO AHEAD,

PLEASE. >> HI, SORRY.

I AM AT WORK AND I AM NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER BUT I WILL DO MY BEST. I LIVE AT 1044 SHORE DRIVE WITH MY MOTHER. SHE HAS OWNED THE HOUSE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. SHE PURCHASED THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS A NICE QUIET RESIDENTIAL AREA.

BEING PAINTED AS NIMBYS THAT MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE FOR THE TRAIL ARE NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY IT ON A DAILY BASIS. I HAVE A THREE-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND I AM CONCERNED OF THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT WILL BROUGHT TO THE AREA. WHAT I AM MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE LACK OF ANY KIND OF STUDIES DONE.

NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ST STUDIES, AND NO TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES. I SHOWED THESE PLANS TO A NEIGHBORING PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THAT HAS GOTTEN A TRAIL, THEY ARE VERY SURPRISED THAT WE ARE GOING FROM 13 YEARS AGO. NOTHING HAS BEEN UPDATED AND THESE STUDIES HAVE NOT DONE WHEN I E-MAILED MR. BATEL, I FOUND IT VERY DISMISS SIEVE AND NO CONCERNS ARE BEING ADDR ADDRESSED. THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE PAST FEW SPEAKERS AND SOME PEOPLE ARE CALLING IT A BIKE PATH AND SOME PEOPLE ARE CALLING IT A SIDEWALK. THE FACT THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING UP SHOWS THAT THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH FORTHCOMING

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I AM CONCERNED WITH THE DESTRUCTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

YOU ARE GOING TO THROW ASPHALT DOWN ON GREEN AREAS THAT ANIMALS LIVE ON. IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL AREA AND I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO PAVE NATURE.

AND SO IT WILL NOT BE NECESSARY.

I DO NOT FEEL UNSAFE. I FEEL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME WALKING THEIR ANIMALS IN THE PARK AREA AND ENJOYING IT TO DESTROY IT FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY LIVE IN THE AREA. WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT IT WILL NOT BRING ANY MORE TRAFFIC AND THE PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO BE FOR IT BUT DON'T LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH SO, OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE MORE TRAFFIC. WHERE I LIVE AT 1044 SHORE DRIVE, IT ALSO SEEMS THAT THE BOAT RAMP WILL BE EXTENDED AND THERE WILL BE PARKING. SO IT REALLY JUST SEEMS THAT THE PEOPLE'S BEST INTEREST FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AREN'T BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND I ACTUALLY KIND OF GIVING UP.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS MEETING WAS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I FEEL ALL OF THE POINTS THAT I TRIED TO BRING UP, IT SEEMS LIKE NOBODY CARES WHICH IS VERY DISCOURAGING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF LITTER THAT IS GOING TO BE

INCREASED -- >> HENRY DEAN: WE DO CARE BUT YOUR TIME IS UP. YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

WE ARE GIVING EVERYBODY THREE MINUTES.

GO AHEAD. NEXT CALLER.

NEXT CALLER. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THIS IS FRANCIS LUNDBERG, 2406 SHORE DRIVE.

>> HENRY DEAN: GO AHEAD. >> I AM AGAINST THE TRAIL.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES ON SHORE DRIVE.

LIKE MANY CALLERS, I SEE WHAT IS GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET ON A DAILY BASIS. THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THE ROAD IS A LITTLE CURVY AND PEOPLE SLOW DOWN FOR WALKERS.

I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THE CONFUSION BETWEEN THE TRAIL AS A WALKING BIKE TRAIL VERSUS A SAFETY ISSUE.

I DON'T SEE IT AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR SAFETY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE TRAIL IS SUPPOSED TO BE A LEISURELY AREA THAT RUNS ALONG THE SHORE. I AM IN RECEIPT OF THE PLAN AND MOST OF THE TRAIL PLAN DOES NOT RUN ALONG THE SHORE.

IT GENERALLY RUNS ALONG THE STREET.

I DON'T THINK IT IS ATTRACTIVE. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO BE AN ASSET TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON SHORE DRIVE. PARKS AND REC HAS A REPUTATION OF BUILDING AND LEAVING THINGS BEHIND NOT TO BE MADE -- HAVE A REGULAR MAINTENANCE PLAN. NO MAINTENANCE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE TRAIL. AND I JUST SEE IT AS TRAFFIC COMING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, PARKING ALONG THE STREET, JUMPING ON THE TRAIL, LEAVING GARBAGE, ABUSING IT, AND NOT REALLY BEING TAKEN CARE OF BY PARKS AND REC.

AND WHEN THE FUNDS AREN'T THERE, THEN THE SHORE RESIDENTS, AGAIN, WILL BE LEFT WITH THE BURDEN OF IMPROVING IT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR HOMES AND OUR PROPERTY.

SO I -- I AM TOTALLY AGAINST IT.

IF PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK AT GETTING FOLKS OFF THE STREETS THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO A DIFFERENT DIVISION ABOUT SIDEWALKS ALONGSHORE DRIVE AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER KIND OF LESSER ROADS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM WITH A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE.

I JUST THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG MESS FOR VEHICLE TRAFFIC, FOR EVERYBODY THAT LIVES THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> HENRY DEAN: OKAY, THANK Y YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CINDY ZIMMERMAN 842 JARONA ROAD.

I LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR OVER 22 YEARS.

AND PERSONALLY WALK, BIKE AND PUSH THE STROLLER ON SHORE DRIVE FOR THE PAST TWO DECADES AND HAD ABSOLUTELY NO FEAR AT ALL. I FEEL IT IS SUPER SAFE AS EVIDENCED BY THE LACK OF PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS THAT I CAN FIND. I CAN'T FIND ANY OF THOSE.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.

I FEEL THAT THOSE IN WHEELCHAIRS WILL HAVE TO GET ON THE INTERIOR ROAD TO ACCESS THE BIKE PATH ANYWAY.

AND HOW IS THAT EVEN SAFER. THIS NEEDS TO BE ON ALL LEVELS AND MAYBE LIKE THE PREVIOUS CALLER SUGGESTED, SIDEWALKS COULD BE A BETTER ALTERNATIVE. I FEEL LIKE -- ONE OF MY

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AND THE COUNTY PARK IS ON THE PERIPHERY.

SO WE ARE REALLY UNIQUELY POSITIONED.

ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THIS PARK BY THE RIVER HAS TO BE ACCESSED BY THE PUBLIC BY GOING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT.

I UNDERSTAND THANK THAT MR. BATIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS OF INCREASED TRAFFIC BUT IN THE SUMMER MONTHS ALREADY BACKED WITH BOATERS COMING IN FROM OTHER AREAS AS YOU GUYS KNOW BECAUSE BOAT PARKING GOING ON AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT BEING A CONDUIT TO THE BOAT RAMP TO PARK, WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO SEE INCREASED TRAFFIC.

WITH INCREASED TRAFFIC COMES INCREASED SAFETY CONCERN.

HE -- SORRY, I AM -- I AM GETTING A HEAD OF MYSELF.

HE ALSO SAID THAT OVER 75% OF THE SOUTH COULD ACCESS THIS TRAIL BY FOOT. SO THE INCREASE FOOT TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH WILL BE MORE OF AN ISSUE THAN THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THESE FOLKS HAVE ON SHORE DRIVE.

SAN JOSE DRIVE RIGHT NOW IS A SPEEDWAY AND MORE THAN SHORE DRIVE. PARKING, I AGREE WITH OTHER FOLKS THAT PARK ALSO BE AN ISSUE.

ALREADY PEOPLE PARKING ALONG A GREEN SPACE WITHOUT A BIKE TRAIL TO GET TO IT. THE PARKERS -- THE TRAFFIC ISN'T ENFORCED BY THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW AND THERE IS TRASH IN THE EASEMENTS AND IN AND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT AREN'T MONITORED. WE HAVE RESIDENTS GOING AROUND AND PICKING UP TRASH THERE. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ARE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT AND DOING IT WITH PLANS FROM 2007.

SO I FEEL LIKE WITH 76% OF SURVEY IN OUR LAST MEETING AGAINST THE TRAIL, I THINK THAT UNTIL IT IS OBTAINED FOR THE PEACE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GUYS NEED TO BACK UP.

I DON'T THINK THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WHEN YOU ARE FIGURING OUT DECISION YOU WANT TO MAKE, REMEMBER, THIS SOURCE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU ARE MAKING A DECISION ABOUT. NOT A PARK.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THREE MINUTES ARE UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

NEXT CALLER PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

NEXT CALLER. NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

I THINK THAT IS. SOMEONE ON THE PHONE.

>> ED SLAVIN. I AM SO PROUD OF MY FELLOW ST.

JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS. OUR DEMOCRACY AND PEOPLE OF DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS HAVE SHOWED YOU WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES ARE ABOUT PARKS. I THINK OUT OF RESPECT FOR EVERYONE, WE NEED TO TABLE THIS ITEM.

ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS HAVE RAISED. I PARTICULARLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY ARE WE APPLYING FOR A GRANT THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO KILL TREES. AND AREN'T THERE WAIVERS AND REGULATION THAT'S WILL ALLOW US NOT TO DO THAT.

AND IN THE EVERYTHING IN THE NAME WHAT IS HOLLY PUT A NONPERMEABLE SURFACE, ASPHALT BECAUSE SUM OLD REGULATION.

AND SHOW THE DIGNITY, RESPECT AND RESPECT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS FOR NOT PUTTING THIS AND THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. THAT IS FOR THE BIRDS.

IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISRESPECTFUL. I THINK -- LYNDON JOHNSON -- PRESIDENT JOHNSON SAID HAVE COME TOGETHER.

A PARK LESS THAN THREE MILES. WE CAN HAVE ADA COMPLIANT FACILITIES IN THE PARK THAT IS MANDATORY REQUIRED AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THREE MILES LONG.

WE DON'T HAVE TO KILL TREES. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP ASPHALTS. THIS ISSUE CAME UP WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE -- OF THE -- THE ROUTE BIKE TRAIL.

I DID SOME RESEARCH ON THE P PLOT.

I THINK YOU WERE THERE MR. V VICE-CHAIRMAN, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. THE OBVIOUS TECHNOLOGY IS TO USE CRUMBLED UP RUBBER TIRES, RECYCLED.

THEY ARE PERSONAL THATNABLE IF YOU HAVE TO -- PERMEABLE AND IF YOU LAND ON IF WITH YOUR TUUKUS OR BIKING AND WALKING AN ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND ACCOMMODATE STROLLERS. A LOT MORE THOUGHTFUL WORK FOR THE COUNTY STAFF AND MAYBE WE NEED MORE COUNTY STAFF AND MAYBE WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME PEOPLE.

I AM FRAUD OF THE RESIDENTS OUT TODAY.

NOT PROUD OF THE COUNTY TO SNEAK IT ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. MY FRIEND DIANE MILLS -- GOD

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THEY DID THEIR HOMEWORK. TEY ARE THERE.

I LOOKED AT THIS LAST NIGHT AND TALKED TO YOU VICE-CHAIRMAN.

YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO TAKE A COUPLE OF ITEMS OFF OF THE CONSENT AND PUT IT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

WHAT WE NEED HERE IS LIKE WOODROW WILSON SAID OPEN CONVENANCE OPENLY ARRIVED AT. EVERYBODY COME TO A WORKSHOP OR MEETING WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND DISCUSS AND GO TREE BY TREE AND ASK ARBORISTS AND BASE IT ON ACTUAL EVIDENCE AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AT THE SAME TIME.

THANK YOU. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU.

A CALLER ON THE LINE? >> YES, HI, MY NAME UNA.

223 ARGONAUT. LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE THIRD AND FOURTH TIME THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I AM AGAIN ABSOLUTELY FOR THE PARK. IT IS A PUBLIC PARK.

AS FAR AS I KNOW PUBLIC PARKS CANNOT EXCLUDE PEOPLE BASED ON WHERE THEY LIVE. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE SOUTH, DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN NOT MAKE THE PARK TO THEM. I LIVE IN ST. AUGUSTINE PARK AND I LIVE WHERE THE PATH WILL BE.

IT IS NOT IN MY STREET. I AM LOOKING FORWARD IT.

I HAVE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN AND I WILL FEEL SAFE WALKING IN THE THREE-MILE PATH THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC. IT IS VERY HARD TO CONTROL CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN GO FROM SEVEN DOWN.

SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULDN'T WALK WITH THEM IN THE STREET IN THE AREA. BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY ON THE PATH. AND I THINK IT IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE INCLINED TO EXERCISE.

AND THREE MILES OF PATH ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY HARM TO THE PEOPLE THE WAY IT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT DURING THIS MEETING. SO, AGAIN, I AM ABSOLUTELY FOR THE PATH. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WALKING

IT IN THE FUTURE. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: CALLER -- NEXT CALLER WAITING.

NAME AND ADDRESS. OKAY.

WE ARE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, THAT -- I THINK COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED ON ITEM 11.

WE ARE BACK TO THE BOARD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE ASK DOG

TO COME UP? >> CERTAINLY.

PLEASE. >> A LOT OF DIFFERENT

INFORMATION FLYING AROUND. >> YES, SIR.

I MADE A NOTE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT CAME UP.

TRAIL BIT. PROPOSING IT EIGHT FEET WIDE.

CAN IT BE SMALLER? EIGHT FEET WIDE IS MINIMUM FOR PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLES. THIS IS ALWAYS PROPOSED AS PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE. FIVE FEET WIDE IS A BICYCLE WITT. WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA LEGAL TO DRIVE BICYCLES AND YOU GET MORE CONFLICTS BETWEEN BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS AND A SMALLER DISTANCE.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. THE REFERENCES OF CLEARING WIDTH. WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING WIDER TO CLEAR IT BUT THAT CAN GROW BACK TO WHERE IT IS.

THERE ARE PLACES WHERE THE TRAIL WOULD BE NEXT TO THE R ROAD. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT SIDEWALKS. I DID TALK TO GREG CALDWELL A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF SIDEWALKS ALONG THIS.

PUBLIC WORKS WOULD LOOK AT SEPARATING A SIDEWALK KIND OF TRAIL FROM THE ROAD. JUST FOR SAFE DISTANCE.

I BELIEVE IF THEY PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD, THEN THEY ARE IN A SITUATION OF HAVING TO DO CURBS AND GUTTER WHICH IS CAN REALLY DRIVE THE COST UP. BUT CERTAINLY WOULD WANT FOR THEM TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. THERE ARE NO RAILINGS REQUIRED ON THE TRAIL. ADA REQUIRES RAILINGS WHEN YOU GO BEYOND 5%. WE DON'T SEE THAT EXCEEDING ANYWHERE THERE. AND ADA REQUIREMENTS -- THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR RESTAURANTS AND TRASH CANS ON A TRAIL. IF YOU BUILD A REST ROOM, IT HAS TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE. PORTABLE TOILETS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE TRAIL HEADS WHICH WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROGRAM NOW AS THEY ARE USED CURRENTLY.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE KEY COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I WILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY

OTHER QUESTIONS, THOUGH. >> HAVE WE LOOKED -- CAN IT BE

RUBBERIZED AND STILL BE ADA. >> A VALID POINT.

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WHEN YOU GO TO A PERSONALNABLE CONCRETE ANDS.

COULD YOU SEE THE COST DOUBLE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

THE FOOTPRINT ON A TRAIL LIKE THIS AND PARTICULARLY ENGINEERING SCENARIO WOULD NOT BE SO MASSIVE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT A LARGE PARKING LOT AND PERMEABLE PAVING DOWN.

YOU ARE TALKING AN EIGHT FEET WIDE OVER A THREE-MILE LENGTH AND NOT A MASSIVE IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM WITHIN THE PARK SYSTEM. KIND OF THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND A LARGE PARKING AREA CAN MAKE SENSE AND A SMALER PROJECT IT TYPICALLY DOES NOT.

>> JUST ANOTHER QUESTION FOR -- FOR ALL OF YOU.

MR. CONRAD, IF WE TAKE DOWN TREES, CAN WE PLANT THEM? THEY WOULDN'T BE THE SAME SIZE. COULD WE PLANT TREES?

>> HUNTER CONRAD: YES, SIR, YOU CAN USE THE TREE FUND TO

PLANT TREES. >> WITH WE DID PLANT THE SAME NUMBER OF TREES THAT CAME DOWN. OR CLOSE WHATEVER COULD BE DONE. THE ONLY THING ELSE I WANT TO SAY IS, I WAS READING THE TRAIL MARKER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SEE WHAT THEY ANSWER, OBJECT B.1.5, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES FROM OUR COMP PLAN SAYS COUNTY SHALL THROUGH CORD NANCE WITH FDOT AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS AS NECESSARY ENCOURAGE, PROVIDE OR REQUIRE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIANWAYS FOR THE SAFETY INTEGRATION OF BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT ON SELECT -- SO THE ROADWAY NET WORK AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND WITHIN OTHER AREAS THAT ALLOW ACCESS.

YOU KNOW. IT IS KIND OF TORN.

I HATE TO SEE DIFFERENT MANY PEOPLE ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF IT. BUT ONE THING ABOUT IT -- I HAVE BEFORE IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR FIVE MONTHS AND BROUGHT LIGHT TO A LOT OF THINGS. PLACES I CAN'T GO -- I CAN'T GO GO FRIENDS I CAN'T SEE THEM IN THEIR HOUSE I CAN'T BE IN THEIR HOUSE AND CAN'T BE ON THE DIRT AND TAKES A LOT TO PACK UP AND GO SOMEWHERE. I CAN SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE FOR FAMILIES IN THE AREA. AND I HAD A LADY CALL ME THAT SHE WENT TO THE PARK IN THE SHORES.

AND UPHILL, DOWNHILL TO PUSH HER WHEELCHAIR FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WAS REALLY HARD ON HER. I AM FOR THE FLAT TO HAVE A RUDD RISE ONE, BUT I TELL YOU IT WOULD BE A BURDEN NOT HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO AND YOU GET T THAT.

I HAVE SEEN THAT A LOT. PEOPLE INVITE ME TO GROUNDBREAKING I WOULD GO TO AND NORMALLY I CAN'T GO TO.

AND WE HAVE AN UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WHILE WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS TURN THE GRANT DOWN. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I GUESS A CHANCE FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET A BIKE PATH THAT ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD NOW.

AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO. OUT OF THE TAX DOLLARS.

THE GRANT WILL COME FROM -- I THINK IT IS FDOT.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD?

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I WILL MAKE MOTION.

MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 2 2021.

>> 84. >> APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND HIS DESIGNEE OF A COMMUNITY PARKS AND OPEN SPACE FOREVER GRANT PROGRAM.

>> SECOND. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: OKAY.

[Public Comment (Part 1 of 2)]

PASSES 5-0. AGAIN, THIS IS TO LOOK AT THE GRANT. ONCE THE GRANT COMES BACK, WE WILL I AM SURE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

OKAY, NOW WE WILL MOVE INTO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

BEFORE WE DO THAT, I AM GOING TO READ BRIEFLY OUR RULES SINCE THIS HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES.

AT THIS TIME THE BOOR WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PE PERIOD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM. ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONERS.

THE SPEAKER MAY NOT DISRUPT THE MEETING MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS AND ENGAGE IN BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

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ANYONE WHO DOES NOT ADHERE TO THESE RULES WE WILL GO FROM THERE. MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

LET'S DO THE PHONE FIRST AND THEN GET TO THE AUDIENCE.

GO AHEAD. NAME AND ADDRESS.

NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE PHONE. >> TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE.

YOU KNOW IT IS VERY INTERESTING WHEN YOU READ THE RULES OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU READ THEM OUT TO PEOPLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES.

YOU KNOW I HAD A VERY INTERESTING PHONE CALL WITH THE FLORIDA BAR SUPERVISOR THE OTHER DAY.

AND I WAS EXPLAINING TO THE FLORIDA SUPERVISOR WHAT WAS GOING ON AND IF PEOPLE THAT ARE ACTUALLY ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT ARE ATTORNEYS SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE RULE.

AND WELL, HE SAID, WE ARE NOT QUITE THE JURISDICTION.

SO I READ HIM A LETTER THAT I WAS GOING -- THAT I AM WRITING TO THE FLORIDA STATE SUPREME COURT.

AND I READ HIM THAT LETTER, HE KIND OF CHANGED HIS TUNE A LITTLE BIT AND HE ACTUALLY SAID TO ME.

YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU FILE THE COMPLAINT WITH US FIRST.

AND I SAID OH, OKAY. BEFORE, YOU KNOW, YOU WRITE TO THE STATE SUPREME COURT JUS JUSTICES WITH THIS MAJOR PROBLEM, BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, IT WAS THE TWO ATTORNEYS THAT SIT ON THE BOARD THAT VIOLATED FLORIDA STATE STATUTE, COUNTY ORDINANCE AND FEDERAL HIRING POSS CEASE.

AND NOW WITH THAT ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT THIS WEEK, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY BAFFLING, COMMISSIONERS.

I MEAN I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE OLD SA SAYING, A HAM SANDWICH CAN GET INDICTED.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, COMMISSIONERS, I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE CONDUCT OF THE COMMISSION.

AND I HAVE BEEN COMING A LONG TIME AND LISTENING TO MEETINGS AND REVIEWING GTV AND WATCHING THE REPEATS.

BUT WHEN I HAVE TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS ALL THE TIME THEY NEED TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT -- THESE -- IT APPLIES TO A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS.

WELL, I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, THE LAWS THAT ARE BROKEN I NEVER SEEN BEFORE UNTIL NOVEMBER 19 AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO LED THAT LAW BRE BREAKING.

AND WHEN PATRICK MCCORMICK STATED THE STATE LAW THAT WAS BEING BROKEN. AND BLOCKER SAID, I MADE THE MOTION. SECONDED IT AND HERE WE GO.

TWO ATTORNEYS THAT SIT ON THE BOARD HAVE BROKEN THE LAW.

NOW WHEN THE FLORIDA BAR GETS THE COMPLAINT, I REALLY HOPE THAT THEY TAKE ACTION. BECAUSE I AM REALLY DISA DISAPPOINTED IN THE CONDUCT OF THE TWO ATTORNEYS THAT SIT ON THIS BOARD. TO TOP IT ALL OFF, I NOTICE A LOT OF RUDENESS WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN, REALLY BARKING HEAVY AT THEM. COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT NICER TO THEM. THEY DESERVE IT.

WE ALL DESERVE IT. SO COMMISSIONERS I WANT TO FINISH THIS UP TODAY WITH I HOPE YOU START OBEYING THE LAW I HOPE YOU REFLECT BACK BECAUSE OF HUNTER CONRAD.

>> HENRY DEAN: I CAN TELL YOU AS KIND AS YOU CAN THAT YOUR

THREE MINUTES ARE UP. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I THINK THE SPEAKER IS OUT OF ORDER AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT CALLER.

NAME AND ADDRESS. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> CONFEDERATE SLAVIN, BOX 3084 .

ED SLAVIN.COM. I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE HIRING OF MR. CONRAD WAS SHADY AND ON FEBRUARY 4, I REPORTED YOU ALL TO MERRICK GARLAND, OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL DESIGNATE FOR A COMPLIANCE REVIEW AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE INVESTIGATION. MR. CONRAD DID NOT DISCLOSE TO YOU ALL HE WAS AN INDIANA DIETED CO-CONSPIRATOR OF A GOVERNMENT CASE BROUGHT AGAINST GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS IN CHILL THAT PROVIDE COLLECTION SERVICES FOR THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CLERK OF COURT. HE ACCEPTED $8,000 ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL GRAND JURY. $8,000 IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION THAT THE DONOR INTENDED AS A BRIBE.

HE IS NAMED AS AN INDIANA DIETED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN THE

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IT IS OUR COUNTY AS YOU JUST HEARD AND DEMOCRACY NEEDS TO BE RESTORED AND NOT NEGLECTED. NOT ONLY DID YOU HIRE MR. CONRAD WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE EO LAWS, BUT YOU HIRED A NEW DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS WITHOUT POST ORGANIZE ADVERTISING AND WITHOUT THE PUBLIC EVEN HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON IT.

YOU READ OUR PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHTS IN VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT. YOU TOOK AN EXISTING PUBLIC FORUM AND MOVED IT TO THE END OF THE -- AND YOU SMIRK.

MR. MCCORMICK. YOU SMIRK.

YOU THINK IT IS CUTE THAT SOMEBODY LIKE SHERRY BADGER.

GOD BLESS HER. SHE HAD TO COME BACK YEAR AFTER YEAR BEEN FLOODING IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD.

SHE COULDN'T DO THAT IF THE PUBLIC COMMENT WAS AT THE END OF THE MEETING AND DIDN'T KNOW WHEN TO TAKE OFF FROM WORK TO DO SO. YOU KNOW COMP TEMPT FOR WORKING PEOPLE. BY THE WAY I WANT YOU TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR NOT GIVING AWAY THE GOLF COURSE.

WE NEED A CHARTER WITH THE OMBUDSMAN AND WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT IN THE COUNTY CHARTER AS OTHER JURISDICTIONS LOCALLY HAVE SAYING YOU CAN'T SELL PARKLAND WITHOUT A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE AND THAT WOULD ASSUME AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING AND NOT SOMETHING ON THE CONSENT AG AGENDA. BUT ON A PUBLIC -- PARKS LIKE SOME OF YOU WANTED TO DO WITH THE -- WITH THE LAND AT THE GOLF COURSE, LET'S VOTE ON IT AND LET'S HAVE IT OPEN AND ABOVE BOARD AND STOP THE SLEAZE AND THE WASTE AND FRAUD OF THIS MANAGEMENT THANK YOU, GENTLEMAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE PHONE CALLS BY MY SCREEN.

MISS DAMAGER? YOU ARE STILL WITH US.

GOOD. >> AMEN.

I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE THE DAY OFF TO COME SPEND MORE TIME WITH Y'ALL. THIS IS THE ISSUE WITH BOND MONEY WITH THE COUNTY. I KNOW IN SEVERAL INSTANCES, THE -- THE BOND MONEY WAS GIVEN RIGHT TO WORLD GOLF, THE BEACH TO KEEP FROM FLOODING. AND THIS PERTAINS TO THE ISSUE THAT ALWAYS WAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING.

ONE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS TOLD ME THAT YOU WOULD DO A COST ANALYSIS ON HOW MUCH IT WOULD BE TO HAVE THE DITCH PUT BACK.

ANOTHER ONE YOU SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR IT.

WELL, LET'S SEE, THAT COULD SAVE THE COUNTY RIGHT THERE $100,000. AND ONE OF YOU SAID THE COUNTY WOULD NEVER EVEN SUE A DEVELOPER.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS -- AND I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER.

WHY DO Y'ALL HAVE THESE RULES? WHY DO Y'ALL HAVE BUFFERS? WHY DO YOU HAVE RULES THAT THESE BONDS WILL BE USED TO PAY FOR THE MISTAKES THE DEVELOPERS MADE.

THIS ALL NEEDS TO BE RE-EVALUATED AS A WHOLE COUNTY BECAUSE NOT THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD GOING ON TO.

YOU APPROVED THE ONE BEHIND CROOKSHANK.

UP SURE HOPE YOU DIDN'T APPROVE THE ACCESS TO BARILLA AVENUE.

BECAUSE THIS PUTS YOU ALL CULPABLE OF MAKING THESE MISTAKES, BECAUSE YOU AREN'T HOLDING THE BOND PEOPLE THAT YOU GIVE THE MONEY TO. THIS IS OUR TAXPAYER MONEY AND YOU ALL ARE STEWARDS. IF YOU AREN'T HOLDING ANYBODY ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHERE THIS BOND MONEY, WHY DO YOU EVEN HAVE THESE RULES. THANK YOU, GOD BLESS.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING CONCERNED. SO GENTLEMEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO YOU KNOW I DO HAVE ABOUT THREE MONTHS OF SICK DAYS AND THAT WILL CARRY ME FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS COME SIT ALL DA TUESDAY WITH YOU. THANK YOU.

>> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY, FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? COME AHEAD, PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> SUZANNE CL O, LAUREL WOOD WAY.

UNIT 102, 32086. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR VOTING FOR THE TRAIL. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR AS A COMMISSION TO BE SO VERY RESPONSIVE TO YOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO CONTACT YOU.

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AND JUDGING BY SOME OF THE RESPONSES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING, I CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PLAY NOT WANT TO BE CALLING PEOPLE BACK. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP IN PERSON EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A PANDEMIC STILL GOING ON.

THE CITY HAS MADE IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REALLY HAVE F FACE-TO-FACE WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND IT REALLY RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY.

SO YOU GIVE PEOPLE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY.

WE CAN CALL IN. WE CAN SHOW UP IN PERSON.

YOU HAVE GOT THE ROOM SET UP. NOW PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY DO WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO OUT THERE, BUT I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE GROWN SOME THICK SKIN FLEW PROBABLY MORE THAN I AM AWARE OF. THIS ONE INSTANCE HAS SHOWN ME.

OH, MY GOSH. I USED TO SIT IN A SEAT JUST LIKE DO 30 YEARS AGO. AND MY GOODNESS, LIFE IS SURE DIFFERENT. PEOPLE HAVE VERY LACK OF RESPECT FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR ANYBODY ELSE.

I WANT TO COMMEND YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THEIR STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZED BUT THEY HAVE REALLY TAKEN SOME ABUSE THESE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

AND I AM -- I APOLOGIZE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE MISTREATED YOU AND YOUR STAFF. IT'S NOT RIGHT.

IT'S NOT RIGHT. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE MAYBE 2010, I THINK, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE FREE CLINIC BUILT IN WEST AUGUSTINE AND WE WERE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND ASK YOU ALL FOR A LITTLE ACCOMMODATION ON A WATER H HOOK-UP SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY $10,000 THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE FOR THE -- THE NONPROFIT AND Y'ALL GAVE IT TO US. I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE. BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THIS WHOLE THING HAS REALLY OPENED MY EYES TO THE BARRIERS THAT THOSE THAT ARE DISABLED PUT UP WITH.

AND I THOUGHT OUR COUNTY WAS DOING BETTER THAN MAYBE WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO YOU MIGHT SEE ME A LITTLE MORE OFTEN. I NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE WORD OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND THERE JUST ISN'T ANY ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE PROMOTING FOR THAT.

AND MAYBE AM GOING TO BE IT. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. >> HENRY DEAN: THANK YOU,

SUZANNE. >> HENRY DEAN: FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. SHANNON ACEVED O, 7 WALDO STREET. I'M HERE SPEAKING IN PUBLIC COMMENT REPRESENTING MY CLIENT JASON DUDLEY OF PULTE HOMES.