Feb 04, 2021 Planning and Zoning Agency

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. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE ARE OPEN UP TO THE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT ANYTHING ON OUR AGENDA OR NOT ON OUR AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> WE DO, MR. CHAIRMAN. JOE MACK JOE MCINERNEY.

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBERS. I WAS HERE AT MY LAST MEETING TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M A RETIRED ARCHITECT AND DID SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR BOARD APPOINTMENT HERE. I'M PROUD TO SERVE WITH YOU ON THE PZA, AND I JUST WANTED TO COME AGAIN TODAY AND TO REPEAT WHAT I HAD SAID AT THE LAST MEETING.

MY INTEREST CONTINUES AND I WOUE PROUD TO SERVE WITH YOU ON YOUR. THANK YOU.

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>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS, MR. VICE? >> NO, MR. CHAIR. THAT WAS IT.

>> ANY VIA GTV? >> >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO THE -- MOVING ON TE AGENDA, MS. HAGA, YOU'RE UP FIR.

ARE YOU READY? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. WITH ME TODAY FOR THE RECORD LID I GONE A. WITH LINDS 147 HAVE BD STAWGHT ROAD IN JACKSONVILLE, F. WITH ME IS STAN BEARD THE APPLID OWNER OF THE FOR THE WALL SIGNAN FORE THE BUC-EE'S IN THE VILLAG. THIS IS A PART OF OUR CONTINUANH THE DECEMBER 17TH PZA MEETING WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECONVENET WITH YOUR PLANNING STAFF AND NEE OUT A REVISED SIGN PLAN, AND I'O FOCUS THIS PRESENTATION ON WHATT REVISION IS AS PROVIDED IN YOUR.

SO, ONE, THIS RESIDES SIGN PLANN BORNE OUT OF COLLABORATING WITHE PLANNING STAFF THAT WE MET, ANDT RESULTED IN AN ELIMINATION OF OE TWO WAIVERS WE HAD INITIALLY COE THE BOARD ON, AND THAT IS A REDN THE INDIVIDUAL WALL SIGN SIZE O0 SQUARE FEET. SO NO ONE SIGN WILL EXCEED THATD DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARD AND NN PACKAGE ON ANY SIGN THAT'S A WAE WOULD EXCEED THAT CAP OF 200 SQE FEET. WE HAVE ALSO REDUCED THE BUILDIG SIGNAGE IN TOTAL WHEN YOU LOOK T COMBINED WALL SIGNAGE. OPTIC AT 720 SQUARE FEET WAS A E TOO LARGE PER OUR PZA COMMENTS N DECEMBER. THAT'S WEAN RUFFLELY REDUCED IN, 488 SQUARE FEET WHEN YOU TOTAL L THE SIGN PLAN. AGAIN WE ARE RESTRICTING THE NUF WALL SIGNS AS PERMITTED PER THED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO FIVE SIGNS E FACADES WHICH WULTS IN ONE SIGNH WILL BE THE BUC-EE'S LOGO ON THE NORTHERN PA SAWED AND TWO SIGNSE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN FACADES. THAT'S IN TECHS WHAT WE HAVE DOE WE LAST LEFT HERE IN DECEMBER EXPICIALTION WANT TO WALK US THA COUPLE OF SLIDES TO ORIENT OURSD WALK THROUGH THAT REVISED SIGN . THIS IS THE 13-ACRE SITE THAT'SD IN THE WORLD COMMERCE CENTER DRU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE BOUND ODD CE 95, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PORK PAR. THIS SLIDE ALSO SHOWS OUR BUILDN APPROXIMATE EXPIMENT DISTANCE TE ROADWAYS AND GIVING US THAT FRO. THIS GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATES WHAT IT WALKED US THROUGH AS THE REVISEN PLAN, AND TO ORIENT OURSELVES, E NORTH ARE FACE 10 APEX OF 95, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PACK WAY. THE NUMBER OF SIGNS HAVE BEEN RO SOLELY THE BUC-EE'S BUTTON, THAO THAT'S FACING ON 95. THE WESTERN EDGE OR THE WESTERNE OF THE BUILDING HAS THE PRIMARYD SECONDARY SIGN OF THE BUC-EE'S S WORD AND THAT AGAIN HAS BEEN RED WHERE NO ONE SIGN EXCEEDS 150 SE FEET AND THE TOTAL BETWEEN THE N AND THE TECHS DOES NOT SUCCEED 0 SQUARE FEET, AND THAT IS REPEATE BERN OR THE SIDE THAT FACES INTD COMMERCE CENTER. SO AGAIN, I'LL SHOW YOU A SIGN E YOU CONTEXT. THESE ARE THE SIGN SIZE WHERE WE REDUCED THE BUTTON SIZE FROM RO3 SQUARE FEET TO 56& THEN THE WORE TERMS BUC-EE'S FROM 173 TO 138. THAT'S HOW WE'RE EIBEL TO PRIEWE BELOW 200 SQUARE FEET AND NO EXS YOUR DESIGN STANDARD FOR 150 SQE FEET.

THE BLUNT THAT'S OAT NORTHERN S, THE SINGLE SIGN ELEMENT THAT WON THAT FACADE HAS BEEN REDUCED FRO ONE. IT HA NOTE BEEN DROPPED DOWN BUN IT IS LESS THAN 150 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S COMING IN AT 95 SQUARE FEEE THE SCALE AND MASS TO THAT SIDEE BUILDING.

SO AGAIN, WE HAVE REVISED OUR NG VARIANCE TO DO A COUPLE OF THIN, LIMITING THE WALL SIGNAGE 41 LIO TWO ON TWO OF OUR FACADES AND ON THAT NORTHERN FACADE LIMIT THE E NUMBER OF FACADES THAT COULD HAS TO THREE OF THOSE, AND THEN IF U COMBINE IN OR A SINGLE BUSINESSR RATHER THAN IF WE WERE A MULTI-T THAT OUR TOTAL BUILD SQUARE FOOS HAVE HAS ABOUT AN DROPPED FROM T INITIAL OPEN TAKE OF -- TO 500 E

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. >> ANYBODY ON THE PHONE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE AGENC. >> YOU'RE STARTLING TO ERECT A N WHICH UNDOUBTEDLY IS GOING TO BO DRAW PEOPLE'S ATTENTION TO WHATF 95 THE ROAD, THE STORE'S ON.

THERE'S A CANOPY RIGHT OUT HERED THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS WONDERFUL N THERE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE VERY HARD. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THIS ONE SOE EDGE OF THE CANOPY.

THE CANOPY COMES ON IN FRONT OFS THING AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT LS VISIBLE BUT YOU GET IT BECAUSE L OF THE WORLD GOLF COURSE PARKWAD THIS IS THE MOST VISIBLE SIGN IK YOU WILL HAVE.

>> OUR ENTRY. >> SO I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF G THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.

THIS IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICO SEE THROUGH THE CANOPY ITSELF, U KNOW, THUS I'M GOING TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'RE NOT GOO GET THE BANG FOR THE BUCK THERES OPPOSED TO WHERE EL IT COULD GO.

>> THANK YOU, MR. KOPPENHAFER. YOU'RE POINTING OUT A GOOD POINS IN THAT THOSE SIGNS THAT IS OURN ELEVATION, SOUTHERN ELEVATION OR THE PRIMARY ENTRY WAYS SO IT HAT BLOCK WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT BETW.

I CAN GO THROUGH OUR TOUR SITE,E TOUR OF THE RENDERINGS TO HIGHLE OF THOSE --

>> NO, I'VE SEEN IT. THE SIGNS AREN'T UP, OF COURSE,U CAN SEE THE CANOPY, AND AGAIN CE

THROUGH THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S ALL. >> THANK YOU.

MS. PERKINS, ANY QUESTIONS OR E? >> NO QUESTIONS. >> VICE CHAIR ALAIMO.

>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. DID I DO A SITE VISIT AS WELL. I'M RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM

BUC-EE'S SO VERY FAMILIAR WITH . I HAVE NO COMMENTS. >> OKAY.

DR. HILSENBECK ON THE PHONE. >> CONCERNING EX PARTE, YES, I E BY THE PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY, N INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND . I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS GOING S THIS BUSINESS AT ALL, AND I DID, AS COMMISSIONER KOPPENHAFER SAIT YOU HAVE YOUR BUTTON POLE SIGN E ON-SITE READY TO GO UP.

THAT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A E INDICATOR TIE LOT OF PEOPLE ON 5 THAT YOU ARE THERE.

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AND AS THE FORMER CHAIR DID POI, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE SET ONE SIGN ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE Y OVER THE GAS PUMPS OUT THERE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST DON'T THINK AS GOING TO MISS THIS BUSINESS AT H ALL THEIR SIGNS. I DON'T THINK THEY'VE BEEN REDUD ENOUGH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YE REALLY PROVEN, FROM WHAT YOU HAN AND SAID, AND I DO APPRECIATE YR PRESENTATION, THAT THE COPY -- S IS NLCD -- THE COPY FACE OR IMAE EFFECTIVELY VISIBLE FROM THE MAT ROAD OR STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY.

AS I SAID, I JUST DO NOT THINK E ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MISS TH. AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, THAT ONN THAT PARTIALLY OBSTRUCTS THE CAS OVER TO DOORWAY. OVER THE DOORWAY, PEOPLE ARE ALY GOING TO BE IN PARKING LOT, PUMS OR GOING INTO THE BUILDING, SO T THINK IT'S STILL TOO MUCH IN TEF SIGNAGE. AND IN TERMS OF AN ANSWER THAT S PROVIDED IN THE APPLICATION TO C STATEMENT THAT THIS LEARNING DIG PROPERTY VALUES IN THE AREA OR G THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE A SURROUNDING THE SITE, THE ANSWES IT SHOULD ENHANCE THE VALUE OF E STORE, HENCE, WORLD COMMERCE CER PROJECT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY --U DON'T ADDRESS WORLD GOLF VILLAGE NORTH AND OTHER PRIVATE RESIDENS AROUND THERE. AND I HAVE BEEN TO BUC-EE'S BEFT IN TEXAS, ONE NEAR HOUSTON THATI PARTICULARLY RECALL. I DON'T RECALL ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND THAT, THAT ST ALL. BUT I JUST STILL THINK IT'S TOO, AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT, ANO APPRECIATE YOU REDUCING THE SIZI DO LIKE HOW YOU INGENIOUSLY INCD THOSE LONE STARS INTO THE BUILDG FACADE. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I LIVED IN TEXAS FOR 15 YEARS SO AND THAT IS ANOTHER TYPE OF ADVERTISEMENT THAT'S VERY VIZ IM ALL THE ROADS YOU HAVE BUILT INE STRUCTURE. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THEM, GR.

THANK YOU VERY MCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> TO THE POINT ON THE DIFFERENS BETWEEN WE HAVE GROUND SIGNS ANL SIGNS. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ADDREH AND AFFORDS THAT. SO THEY'RE TWO SPHRAT ISSUES WHE FAULK A POLE SIGN OR A GROUND SO DIFFERENT THAN A GROCERY STORE E MONUMENT SIGN ON THE STREET ANDN WALL SIGNS.

BUT THE OTHER POINTS ARE TAKEN. WHILE YOU WERE WALKING THROUGH R COMMENTS I WANTED TO PULL UP THE COMPARISON. ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PEDESN RELL AND AM SEE WHAT WOULD BE AD TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AGE TO DISAIFLT BUILDING, HE SOUNDSY FIRM IN HIS COMMENTS BUT THIS GC HITS HOME FOR ME AS FAR AS THE F THE SIGN RELATIVE TO THE BUILDIE ITSELF.

>> COULD I JUST COMMENT BACK? I THINK EVERYONE IS PROBABLY WIO ALLOW A WAIVER FOR THE LDC ON T.

I JUST THINK MORE THAN DOUBLE IT I'M OBJECTING TO. I THINK YOU COULD HAVE REDUCED A BIT MORE AND STILL BEEN WELL AB0 SQUARE FEET, SOMEWHERE AROUND 4O SQUARE FEET AND GOTTEN YOUR MEST THERE, AND THIS BUSINESS IS EXTY VISIBLE FROM ALL THE ROAD. I'LL HAVE TO SAY.

BUT THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AND NO C. AND. >> DID YOU HAVE EX PARTE, DR. M?

>> NO. >> NO EX PARTE FOR THE CHAIRMANO QUESTIONS.

SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY AT S POINT. >> THANK YOU.

>> FOR A MOTION. >> SECOND. >> MOTION TO APPROVE NON-VOARNTN VARIANCE BOTANICA 200 GHT BUC-ET ST. JOHNS SECTION. AND 7.02.04.D OF THE LAND DEVEL.

CODE TO WEEKS A, LIMIT THE NUMBF PERMITTED WALL SIGNS TO MOW MOWE THAN TWO, TWO ON THE SOUTHERN BG FACADE IN LIEU OF UNLIMITED WALS AND, B, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PERT WALL SIGNS TO NO MORE THAN TWO.

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AND D, TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF BG FACADES PERMITTED TO HAVE WALL O THREE FACADES IN VIEW OF UNLIMIA SPAWPPEDZ E TO ALLOW A MAX MULC8 SQUARE FEET OF TOTAL IN LIEU OFE MAXIMUM OF 200 SQUARE FEET OF SA PER BUSINESS BASED ON EIGHT FINF FACT AND SUBJECT TO FIVE CONDITS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECON. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO THROUGH T HERE. MS. PERKINS.

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> NO. EXCUSE ME.

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>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> AND MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. HAGA AE OWNER FOR WORKING WITH US AND GG THAT DONE.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE SECOND ITEE AGENDA, AND IT APPEARS THAT THIE KIRKMEYER RESIDENCE, AND FRANK N

JR. IS NR TRANE HERE? >> FRANK TRANE WITH TRANE BUILD.

I'VE GOT AN 9 LAW SPRING WAY INN BEACH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYBODYE THAT THIS IS A REISSUE. IT WAS ISSUED IN 2018. AND DUE TO BUDGET REASONS, THE Y OWNER WASN'T ABLE TO GO AHEAD WH CONSTRUCTION. NOW HE'S READY TO START HIS HOM.

HE WAS HOPING TO -- NOTHING HAS, SO HE WAS HOPING TO REISSUE THE VARIANCE.

>> THAT'S THE END OF YOUR PRESE? >> THAT'S IT. I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE

PLAN. >> ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.

IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE STILL SG THROUGH THE PAPERS, GETTING REAO SOMETHING.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, LET'S GO THROUGH THE AGENY MEMBERS AND ASK IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR EX PARTE COMMUNICAT THE SAME TIME. FIRST UP IS MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> NO EX PARTE. I REMEMBER SEEING THIS COME BACA COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND I THINT

IT UP A LITTLE BIT THERE JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT, BUT I'M FINE WIT. >> MS. PERKINS.

>> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> I DID TRY TO DRIVE BY THE PR, BUT IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY.

I WASN'T AWARE OF THAT SO I COUE GET IN THE GATE, ABOUT IT GOT CO IT, AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THEA BRIDGE OR THE USINA BRIDGE. STILL, I DID TRY TO DRIVE BY IT. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WOULD N ARCHITECT, AND ORIGINAL WE STILE ONE ON THE BOARD -- AND FOFERL R FORTUNATELY WE STILL HAVE ONE OE BOARD TO ADDRESS. AND I'D LIKE AN ENGINEER TO POSY ADDRESS THIS WHO IS MAYBE .

DEFINITELY AN ARCHITECT. I WANT TO KNOW IF BUILDINGS THIO CLOSE TO THE SEAWALL, TWO FEET E SEAWALL, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WHATD SEE ON MY ELECTRONIC COPIES, ITT THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN THAT IS TWOT FROM THE SEA WUL WALL, I JUST WO KNOW IF HAVING A STRUCTURE LIKEO CLOSE TO THE SEAWALL IS GOING TT UNDUE STRAIN OR MEASURE ON THE L HAT COULD CAUSE IT TO POTENTIALL DURING A STORM EVENT.

THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION. AND THEN I JUST THINK THAT THISS PUTTING A STRUCTURE, OUTDOOR KIR NOT OR THE WHOLE HOUSE, SO CLOSA SEAWALL IS ASKING FOR TROUBLE IS OF FLOODING, SO THAT IS A CONCEF MINE, AND WILL INCREASE THE INSE FOR ALL OF US. AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULE THE OUTDOOR KITCHEN, IF I'M REAT I CAN SEE CORRECTLY ON MY ELECTC COMPANIES THAT AREN'T THAT CLEAU COULD MOVE THAT AROUND TO THE NE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS GOING TO K SOME WINDOWS, YOU COULD CONNECTO

THE HOUSE WITH A SMALL WALKWAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND COMM. >> I KNOW DR. HYMNS ASKED THAT A

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ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER BUT I'M O LET THE RESPONDENT ANSWER FIRST. >> TO YOUR QUESTION IT'S A 10-BN AREA WITH A ONE STORY WITH COLUD TWO BACK WALLS, AND THAT AREA IG TO BE TRUCTD CONSTRUCTED ON 12-Y 30-FOOT PILINGS. THAT'LL BE THE BEARING FOR THAT. YOU AS FAR AS YOUR ARCHITECTURAL QUESTION, WE'VE CHANGED THIS DEY TIMES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DD MOVING IT TO THE SIDE OF THE HOT I DO THINK WE DID AND I DON'T REMEMBER -- I APOLOGIZE -- WHATE REASON FOR WE DIDN'T MOVE IT.

I THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE TOO O ROAD. HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

>> DOES ANYBODY FROM STAFF CAREO COMMENT ON THE QUESTION ABOUT TE SEAWALL?

>> THIS IS -- CHIEF ENGINEERINGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. IS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, I GUE STRUCTURAL UNTEG RESIST SEAWALLT RELATES TO THIS LOCATION OF THER KITCHEN?

IS THAT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE M ANSWERING THE PROPER QUESTION. >> THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF THE QU,

YES. >> AND I WILL READILY ADMIT THAN NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.

THIS WOULD CALL REALLY UNDER THW OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, WITH MOST OF OUR BULK , ESPECIALLY ONE THAT'S GOING TO E RIVER, THE DESIGN OF THESE HAS O THROUGH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, D REALLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE FR THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BULKHE, ONE, HOW THE PILINGS ARE, WHICHI BELIEVE THESE PROBABLY FAIRLY DT TWO, WITH THE AMOUNT OF THE LOAM THE SOIL AND WHAT'S RESTING ON F THE SOIL, WHICH COULD WON THN IN THIS SITUATION, AND BECAUSE E WAY THAT THE DESIGN IS GOING TOO THROUGH WITH PULLING A BUILDINGT FOR THAT, THAT'S GOING TO GET TO CONSIDERATION.

AGAIN, THE WALL DESIGN, THE PRES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE COLN THE LANDLORD'S SIDE OF THAT, THE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE IS OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THAT BULKHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, DR. HILSENBECK. DR. MCCORMICK HELP.

>> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, NO EX P. >> ALL RIGHT. AND I HAVE NO EX PARTE AND NO Q.

SO WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY, AD LOOKING FOR A MOTION. >> MR. MATOVINA, I JUST WANT TOD

TO YOU TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU REMINDING ME.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY ON THE TV? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. >> CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING, PL? >> YES, YOU MAY.

>> THE HOME NEXT DOOR IS CONSTRD RIGHT ON TOP OF THE BULKHEAD. IT'S RIGHT ON THE BULKHEAD.

IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A CONSTRUN ISSUE. >> OKAY.

WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A M. >> ALL RIGHT.

WHAT IS IT? >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZVAR 1928 T TO THE SEVEN CONDITIONS AND FIVD NGTSZ OF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THF REPORT GHEEF A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. PERKINSO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGE AGENCY MEMBERS? HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO CALLE VOTE. MR. ALAIMO, I'M GOING THROAT YOE FIRST.

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>> YEA. >> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES.

>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> YES. >> AND MS. PERKINS. >> YES.

>> OKAY. IT PASSES 5-0 WITHOUT PUBLIC CO. SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE THIRDN

OUR AGENDA. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK YOU VOTE AS WELL.

> I VOTE YES. THANK YOU. PASSES 6-0.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE THIRD IN OUR AGENDA, AND THAT IS GINA JED MICHAEL NELSON.

>> I'M HIM JENA I LIVE AT 1355 Y ROAD, AND I AM ASKING FOR A ZONG VARIANCE TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENE

6.01 TO ALLOW MY FRONT YARD SAIK OF 12 FEET IN LIEU OF THE 25 FE. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MS. NELSON. AND THIS TIME -- WAS THAT THE EF YOUR PRESENTATION? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND DO ANYBODY ON THE PHONE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FORE COMMUNICATIONS AND QUESTIONS.

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AND FIRST UP, I'LL ASK MR. ALAIU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> NO EX PARTE. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, HOWEVER. I WAS WONDERING IF THE NELSONS D

THEIR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH-SOUT THERE WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THIS. >> YES.

THEY ACTUALLY JUST MOVED IN IN , AND SO WE TALKED TO THEM WHILE E APPLYING FOR THE ZONING VARIANCD THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH I. IT'S ACTUALLY THEIR SIDE YARD TD FACE OUR FRONT YARD, SO, YOU KNE WOULD SEE THEIR GARAGE, I GUESS. BUT NOBODY ON OUR STREET HAD ANE WITH IT.

WE SPOKE TO THEM ALL. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND GIVEN THE UNUSUAL -- I DO TD YOUR ACCESS, HOW THAT IS ARRANG, I THINK THIS IS A JUSTIFIED VAR.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> I HAVE NO EX PARTE AND NO QUS OR COMMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT.

MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> THANK YOU. JUST A -- TO EXPLAIN IT TO MYSEI GUESS. I GUESS WE'RE MAKING THE ASSUMPT THE FRONT YARD IS THE SOUTHWESTY

LINE THERE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE D IS COMING INTO THAT SECTION? >> THERE'S AB EASEMENT THAT DEAS

INTO THAT KIND OF POINT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. FORT RECORD MARIE COALEE, I'LL O ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS BEST,, N KOPPENHAFER, AS BEST I CAN. THIS IS THE EASEMENT THAT COMESH MAKES THIS THEIR FRONT YARD. THIS IS LETTERS A ALSO A F. THIS WOULD BE A SIDE AND A REAR.

>> AND OBVIOUSLY THE FRONT OF YR HOUSE, MA'AM, IS GOING TO BE --E BACK OF YOUR HOUSE IS GOING TO E

RIVER. >> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. >> SO DOES THE GARAGE SIT IN THT YARD SETBACK? IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TT TODAY?

>> THEY ARE INTENDING FOR A GARE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED, E PERMITTING PROCESS, IT'S OVER HD

IT DOES MEET ALL SETBACKS. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICAT. >> NO EX PARTE.

>> MS. PERKINS. >> NO EX PARTE. , NO QUESTIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND I HAVE NO EX PARTE AND NO Q. SO I BELIEVE WE ARE NOW BACK INE

AGENCY LOKING A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ZONING VARE 2020-29 SUBJECT TO SEVEN CONDIT.

AND FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT AS PRN THE STAFF REPORT. >> GLEKD I HAVE A MOTION AND A .

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S GO THROUGH L CALL AND VOTE.

DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

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>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> YES.

>> MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO.

>> YES. >> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES YES. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO MS. PETERSON. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS LOREZZ PETI LIVE AT 3 THANK YOU OCEAN K TBLD THIS IS FOR A MINOR MODIFICATIOE POOL EQUIPMENT AND THE AIR CONDG TO GO ONTO THE SIDE OF THE HOMED INSTEAD OF THE FIVE HAVE 5-FOOTS TO HAVE 3.

IT'S HARD TO SEESO THERE'S WHERE LOCATION OF THE AIR CONDITIONINS NOW, AND THEN JUST TO THE SIDE E HOME A PICTURE OF WHAT THE POOLL PLOING WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE HOA APPROVAL.

NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES' APPROV. AND THROUGH THE PRESIDENT OF THS WELL.

SO THERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS SIT NOW E WE WOULD PLACE THEM.

THE REASONING BEHIND IT IS ALSOE SIZE OF THE BACKYARD AND FOR SAY HAVING THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIE TO BE SO FAR AWAY FROM THE WATEE AND THEY WOULD NOT BE WHERE THER CONDITIONING UNITS ARE PLACED N.

HERE YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WE TOON THE SHRUBBERY FOR MEASUREMENTS E POOL.

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SORRY, I'M NOT USED TO DOING TH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT. >> AND IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE ?

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BACK INTO THE AGENCY FOR EX E COMMUNICATION AND QUESTIONS.

DR. MCCORMICK. >> NONE. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> NONE. >> MS. PERKINS. >> NONE.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> I HAVE NO EX PARTE. I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

DID YOU GET SUPPORT FROM YOUR N? I SAW ON ONE OF THE SLIDE THERET LOOKED LIKE YOU HAD A COUPLE OFM

SIGNED OFF, BUT -- >> YES. WE HAD BOTH ON EACH SIDE AND ADS WELL. WE HAD ALL OF THEM. THEY WERE ALL IN SUPPORT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK.

>> I DID TRY TO VIEW THE PROPERT IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY AGAIN. I COULDN'T GET IN.

BUT I DID DRIVE ALONG MYZEL TO T IT. DIDN'T CAN'T SEE MUCH BECAUSEE VINYL FENCE ALL ALONG THAT NEIG. SINCE THE NEIGHBORS ARE FINE TWS FINE WITH IT, I'M FINE WITH IT.

THANK YOU. >> AND I DO NOT HAVE ANYIEST R EX PARTE COMMUNICATION TO DISCL.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN. >> YES. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION ON THIS.

>> OKAY. FANTASTIC. WHAT IS IT?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE MINOR MODIN 2020-18, PETERSON FAMILY AIR COR AND POOL EQUIPMENT, REQUEST FORR MODIFICATION TO THE OCEAN CAY PE OTHER HAND 2013-20 AS AMENDED, W A SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 3 FEET IF THE 5-FOOT REQUIREMENT TO COOMED PLACEMENT OF AN AIR CONDITIONERL EQUIPMENT, SPUSKLY LOCATED AT 3N CAY BOULEVARD BASED ON SIX FINDF FACT AND SUBJECT TO SIX CONDITIS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> THANK YOU, DR. MCCORMICK. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. SECOND BY MS. PERKINS.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'LL GO THROUGH L CALL.

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MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> YES. >> MS. PERKINS.

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

>> DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> YES. >> CHAIR VOTES YES. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NOW WE'VE GOT MS. ELLEN AVERH GOING TO TAKE UP THE NEXT COUPL.

DID YOU RUN THIS MORNING? IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL MORNING FOR . A LITTLE COLD.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HATE TO TELLT I DON'T RUN BEFORE SUNRISE WHENS BELOW 40.

IT'S TOO COLD FOR MY BONES. MAYBE TOMORROW. ANYWAY, FOR THE RECORD, ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ROGERS TOWERS 100 WE PLACE HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE ANDE TODAY FROM OUR TEAM ARE'S CRIEVE WHO IS THE OH, OF THE PROPERTY T WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAYG WITH LINDSAY HAGA AND JEFF FROM.

LINSDZA IS OUR PROJECT LANNER AD PLANNER AND THEN JEFF IS A PROJT TRAFFIC GURU IN CASE WE NEED TOO TRAFFIC DETAILS WITH RESPECT TOS APPLICATION. THE CONTRACT PURCHASER IS BAPTIH PROPERTIES OR BAPTIST MEDICAL C, AND SO I'LL SHOW YOU WHICH PROPY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN JUST ONE, IF I CAN MAKE THE CLICKER GO. EVERYBODY'S FEELING COLD TODAY,E CLICKER.

OKAY. HOLD ON. IT'S NOT WORKING VERY WELL.

OKAY. HOLD ON. DO I NEED TO POINT THAT WAY? THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, TERESA, I APPRECIATE . NOW WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GO FORW.

NOW IT WENT TOO FAR. ALL RIGHT. I NEED TO GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

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YOU WILL RECALL THAT THAT PROJES BEEN AROUND SINCE 1997. IT IS A PROVED FOR A DEVELOPMENF REGIONAL IMPACT AND A PLANNED UT DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME. SO YOU SEE THE TWELVE MILE SWAMP CONSERVATION AREA HERE. YOU SEE STATE ROAD 16 WHERE THED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON IE AREA. YOU SEE THE PROPOSED STATE ROADT WILL COME UP IN THIS AREA.

AND YOU SEE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, E DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WEST ON STAT6 AND JUST THE GENERAL VICINITY OE LANDING PADS ALONG I-95 AT ALL E INTERCHANGES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ST. JOHNSY FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU'LL NOTT THE COUNTY WAS WISE ENOUGH 30-SG YEARS GO ON AG TO PLAN MIXED USS AT ALL THE I-95 INTERCHANGES, AU CAN SEE THAT NOTION GOING UP ANN I-95 AT STATE ROAD 207, 16, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY AND . ALL RIGHT. HOPEFULLY IT STOPS THERE.

ZOOMING IN ON THE PROPERTY A LI, AGAIN I-95. HERE'S STATE ROAD 16.

OUR CLIENT ACTUALLY OWNS BOTH PS HERE. THE EXISTING OUTLET MALL AND THO THE VACANT 8-ACRE PARCEL OUT FR. SO YOU SEE THAT. HERE'S THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP T SHOWS CLEARLY THIS INTERSECTIONE OF I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16 HAS AD USE DISTRICT FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE DRI BOUNS HERE FOR THE STAWGHT OUTLETS DRD AND WHERE OUR IT'S NOT CLIENT'SY SITS IN RELATION TO THE BOSEARDM GOING CALL IT COMPOUND BECAUSE E DOING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WOT THERE. LOOKS GREAT.

AND THEN YOU SEE THE REST OF THI PROPERTY, AND YOU WILL RECALL AE OF MEETINGS AGO YOU APPROVED THT MILE DISTRIBUTION CENTER OVER ON ROAD. SO THAT KIND OF TIES INTO THE HE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THIS AR. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. THE THE ST. AUGUSTINE DRI WAS AT APPROVED IN 1997. YOU SEE ALL THE AMENDMENTS ON TE DRI OVER THE INTERVENING YEARS.

A COUPLE OF GOOD POINTS ABOUT T, IT DID PHASE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.

IT HAS VARIOUS OUT-PARCELS WHICE BEGINNING TO UNDERGO REDEVELOPME WE TALKED ABOUT QUERL WEB BOWSAD AND LINCOLN HAS TAKEN OVER THE D CAMPING WORLD, SO THIS PROJECT S BEEN AROUND FOR ALL THESE YEARS4 YEARS NOW, IS STARTING TO HAVE S SECOND LIFE. THAT'S THE KIND OF NOTION WE'REG ABOUT WITH THIS PROPERTY. THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS REG IN THE DRIZ, AND THERE IS VACAND REMAINING IN THE DRI. WE HAVE WORKED INNING CONJUNCTIH MS. BISHOP AND OTHER PEOPLE ON E COUNTY STAFF FOR ABOUT A YEAR N, DETERMINING WHAT DEVELOPMENT RIE AVAILABLE WITHIN VARIOUS PORTIOF THIS PROJECT, INCLUDING OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTIES, AND ABOUT E NOTION OF BRINGING A MEDICAL CEO THIS PROJECT, SO WE'VE GOTTEN CS IN A ZONING CONFIRMATION LETTERA HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL CENTER USES ALLOWED AS A MATTER OF RIGHT ONE PROPERTY AS FAR AS THE PUD. WE HAVE ALSO CONTINUE A CONFIRMN LETTER FROM THEM IN RELATION TON 380.06 FLORIDA STATUTE WITH REGO EXPEMENTSZ OF HOSPITAL FROM DRI.

EXEMPTIONS. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF WO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

SO TODAY WER PROPOSING A MAJOR MOWEDIFICATION TO THE PUD. AGAIN, OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY SIN THIS RETAIL SALES AREA A. AND THIS IS THE -- I'M GOING TOT HISTORIC BECAUSE IT LOOKS HISTOP THAT IS THE MAP H FOR THE DRI. IT IS ALSO THE MASTER DEVELOPMEN FOR THE PUD.

AND SO YOU SEE THAT OUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE SUBJECTY HERE, THAT 8 ACRES, IS WITHIN RL SALES AREA A, AND WE'RE SEEKINGD MEDICAL CENTER WITH THE USES LIN PUD TEXT SECTION 7A WHICH ARE TS HERE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDIF AN 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEDICR USES WHICH ARE EXEMPTED FROM OFI REVIEW PURSUANT THERE TO SECTIOE 80.0651 FLORIDA STATUTES.

AND THAT'S THAT LEGAL ANALYSIS E BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE LASTR SO.

SO -- AND THEN GOING FORWARD AGN HERE'S THE PUD TEXT THAT GOES WS RETAIL THAT AGAIN TALKS ABOUT NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN SECTIONH INCLUDES THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IE CAPITALIZED PROPERTY WITH A CAP"

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THEN MR.IANMAN WILL WORK WE THEO DEMONSTRATE REASONABLE GROWTH TR REASONABLE TRAPPINGS GROWTH A SD 16 TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INTERN OF 16 AND OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD MAINTAINS AN ACCEPTING LEVEL SE.

THAT'S PART OF THE CONCURRENCY N OF THE CODE. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS PUD, BUE POINTING IT OUT TO YOU, THAT WEE THAT'S THE NEXT STEP ALONG THIS. AND THEN WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKINH THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT ABOUT MAE THERE ARE AMPLE UTILITIES SPHRIT PROJECT, WHICH THEY HAVE CONFIRT THERE ARE, AND STORM WATER CAPAS AVAILABLE. THERE IS A MASTER PROPERTY OWNES ASSOCIATION FOR THE DRI PROPERTT OPERATES THE MASTER STORM WATER, ROADWAY SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING IL TO THE OUTLET MALL -- I'M SORRY, ST. AUGUSTINE OUTLET CENTER PRO. JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THISE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE FROM THE PUD, THE MAXIMUM BIGG BUILDING HEIGHS AREA AND THE ENTIRETY OF THIS AF YOU WILL, FROM THE MAP H IS 60 . THE SETBACKS ON THE FRONT ARE 2T SIDE, 10 FEET IN REAR YARD, 10 .

THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE R A LOT COVERAGE WITHIN THE PROPED BE 75%.

AND LOT COVERAGE BY BUILDING IS. WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE ANY. THAT IS IN THE EXISTING PUD AS N APPROVED. WE HAVE HEARD OF -- FROM A NEIGG PROPERTY OWNER WHO OWNS PROPERTT DOES NOT FRONT ON I-95, AND HE S CONCERNED ABOUT VIEW CORRIDOR, O AGAIN, THIS IS THE EXISTING PUD.

THOSE ARE THE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT,S AND ALL OF THAT. THEY WILL HAVE A VIEW CORRIDOR.

THERE'S A ROAD ACTUALLY THAT RUN TO SERVE THE -- THANK YOU THIS E CADILLAC DEALERSHIP NOW, SO THAD GIVE SOME VIEW CORRIDOR FROM THE PROPERTY INTERNAL, NOT FRONTING5 WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

JUST AS A MATTER OF FLORIDA LAWE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIEW EADST UNDER FLORIDA -- EASEMENT UNDERA LAW UNLESS YOU PURCHASE ONE OR N ONE. THERE'S NOT ONE ALLOWED AS A MAF RIGHT, AND THAT'S WELL SETTLED N FLORIDA CASE LAW. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. MS. HAGA AND MR. CRANMAN ARE HEO ANSWER WHATEVER TECHNICAL PLANN, TRANSPORTATION COMMENTS, QUESTIU MAY HAVE, AND WE'LL BE BACK AFTC COMMENT, I SUPPOSE.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS?

>> WE DO, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE TWO. FIRST SPEAKER IS ALEC ADDMAC.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESSE RECORD. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> MIN. >> THEY I DON'T GET OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD JUST EFT SWOOF THAT P.

OUR CONCERN, AS YOU MENTIONED, E VIEW, ESPECIALLY GOING SOUTHBOUN I-95.

AND WE JUST REALLY WANT TO MAKEE THAT THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE SOMETHING.

WE DON'T THINK THAT ONE ROAD ISO BE AS ADEQUATE AS -- SAID. JUST WANT THAT IN THERE.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. NEXT SPEAKER IS ERIC VERY MANY .

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FORE RECORD AND YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> HI, I'M ERIC VOST. I REPRESENT HARLEYY DAVIDSON AT0 OUTLET MALL BOULEVARD.

I WAS INVOLVED THE IN INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ON THAT PROPERTY ANE BUILD-OUT OF IT AS SUCH, AND SE,

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WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE SOME NEW RE, SOME NEW REASONS TO HAVE PEOPLEK THERE, SO WE REALLY ARE OKAY WI.

WE JUST WOULD REALLY LIKE TO COR THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AS THE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE A RETAIL BUSD WE SPENT 10 MODELS A VERY VISUAL BUILDING THAT'S BUILT FOR THAT W CORRIDOR.

SO IF WE COULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

>> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKER ? >> NO, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> ANYBODY ON THE PHONE? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

SO WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY. DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND? MS. SMITH.

>> YES, SIR. LET ME GO BACK TO A MAP, IF YOUN OPERATE THIS PROPERLY THIS TIME.

I ACTUALLY DID SPEAK TO MR. ADD. I BELIEVE IT WAS MARK. I THINK I'M SAYING THAT RIGHT AM NOT I APOLOGIZE, ON THE TELEPHO. WE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THISS BEEN IN PLACE WITH THIS BUILDINT AT 60 PEET FOR 23, GOING ON 24 . THAT'S RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC R. THAT'S WHAT THEY TOOK TITLE BAS.

THERE IS NO RECORDED DOCUMENT TI HAVE FOUND THAT GIVES ANY VIEW R RETIRES ANY OTHER RIGHTS OR LIME BUILDING HEIGHT, JUST FOR THE R, OUR CLIENT ACTUALLY OWNS THIS EE PIECE THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED.

THEY OWN THE OUTLET MALL. AND THEN THEY ALSO PURCHASED THT LAND IN FRONT TO MAKE SURE THATT MALL HAD A VIEW FROM I-95, AND Y REALIZE, BECAUSE THEY OWN BOTH PROPERTIES, THAT WHATEVER BAPTIS ON THIS PROPERTY MAY OR MAY NOTK THEIR VIEW, AND THAT'S A BUSINES DECISION THAT THEY HAVE MADE.

SO I DO -- I FEEL FOR THE PEOPLM HARLEY, BUT THE LEGAL DOCUMENTSE LEGAL DOCUMENTS, AND THERE'S NOG THAT WE CAN FIND IN ANY KIND OFD THAT SAYS THERE WAS ANY MENTIONF 28 FEET OR WHATEVER FEET, ANY KF VIEW CORRIDOR BEING PRESERVED FR BUILDING. SO THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF LAW.

AND SO WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIOT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE, AND WE'RE GOING TO ASK DR. MCCOF HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY EX E COMMUNICATION.

>> YES, I HAD EX PARTE WITH ELLD ACTUALLY WE DISCUSSED ITEM 5 ANO ITEM 6 DURING OUR DISCUSSIONS.

I RESPONDED TO -- SHE HAD CALLED LEFT A MESSAGE, AND I RESPONDEDO HER MESSAGE, AND I THOUGHT I WAG TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION ABOUT E REMOVAL BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN THRS SINCE ALL OF THE PROPERTY IN OUR ISLAND DEVELOPMENT HAD HAD THEIR RECYCLABLES COLLECTED, SO WE WEE DAYS BEHIND.

AND SO MY MESSAGE TO HER WAS AB. SHE SAID, WELL, I GOT YOUR MESST IT WASN'T FOR ME.

AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE RECYA LITTLE BIT, AND SHE SAID, WELL,E PROBLEMS THERE, TOO, SO AS A REF THAT, AND, AND I'LL STOP THIS CONVERSATION IN A SECONDLY HERES A RESULT OF THAT, I WAS ABLE TOK TO THE COUNTY ONE MORE TIME, TAO THEM AGAIN VERY NICELY, AND ELLY CAME OUT THAT DAY AND THEY THE G

GOT DONE IN MY WHOLE NEIGHBORHO. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. >> WELL, YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> IN THE MEANTIME SHE DID A GOF EXPLAINING --

AND SHE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU. >> AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT I ALST

YOUR RECYCLING PICKED UP. I'M KIDDING. >> DR. MCCORMICK, I HEARD THAT E HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WAS GOINE YOU BECAUSE OF ALL THE BEER BOT. [LAUGHTER]

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>> NO. NOT AT THIS TIME. >> DR. HILSENBECK, EX PARTE

COMMUNICATIONS AND QUESTIONS. >> I DID DRIVE UP TO THE SITE. I DID VIEW IT.

AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WN AVERY O. ABOUT THE PROJECT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR C.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO EX PARTE.

I DID GET A VOICE MAIL FROM ELLI LEFT HER A VOICE MAIL TODAY BUTR ACTUALLY SPOKE.

NO COMMENTS AND NO COMMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT. MS. PERNG.

>> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> NO EX PARTE.

ONE QUESTION, THOUGH. THE 100,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT CG FROM A POOL THAT ALSO HAD DEVELT RIGHTS FOR THAT VACANT PROPERTYD CONVERTING IT FROM RETAIL, PERH, TO -- WITHIN THE DRI?

>> NO, SIR, THAT'S WHY WE WENT H THE EXERCISE OF GOING THROUGH TI EXEMPTION ANALYSIS BECAUSE UNDEA LAW SECTION 3 8:00 .0651 OF THEA STATUTES, HOSPITALS AIR CATEGORD USES THAT ARE EXEMPT FROM DRI R, AND SO WE WRENT THROUGH THAT ANS WITH THE COUNTY STAFF WITH INCLE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO DEE IN EFFECT THERE WOULD BE NO TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION THAT E DUE BECAUSE IT WAS EXEMPT UNDERI REVIEW, BUT WE ALSO KNOW AS A MF LAW FROM YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT T THE ADDITION OF 100,000 SQUARE A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE WOULD NOT RE CONCURRENCY REVIEW ANYWAY. IT WOULD REQUIRE THE PAYMENT OFD IMPACT FEES, AND I'M GOING TO CA SAFETY ANALYSIS OF THE INTERSECF STATE ROAD 16 AND OUTLET MALL B.

AND IF WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT, THEN MR. CRANMAN IS HERE FROM EO ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU ME

ABOUT THAT, THE AFFIDAVITS THAT ANALYSIS. >> THANK YOU NO, BUT THANK.

AND I DID HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNIS WITH ELLEN AND WE AND USED THE F THE PROJECT AND A NUMBER OF HOSL STILTS THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN S COUNTY, WHICH IS WONDERFUL, SO O QUESTIONS.

AND AT THIS POINT I WILL BRING K IN THE AGENCY FOR A MOTION, PLE. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> PLEASE DO. >> MR. CHAWRM. >> PLEASE DO.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> PLEASE DO. >> MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVALF MAJMOD 2020-20, ST. AUGUSTINE CE MEDICAL CENTER, A REQUEST TO ADD 1,000 -- 100,000 SQUARE FEET OFL

CENTER USES BASED ON SIX FINDINF FACT AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF R. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, LET'S VOTE.

[6. MAJMOD 2020-22 Bannon Lakes PUD.]

DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK.

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

>> MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. SO THAT ITEM PASSES.

AND YOU'RE UP AGAIN, MS. SMITH. >> GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN. ELLEN AVERY-SMITH, ROGERS TOWER0 WETSTONE PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE. FOR BANNON LAKES. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I AM HERE F OF EASTLAND DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY ART LANCASTER WHN THE AUDIENCE.

THE PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUY IS OWNED BY PULL OUTY HOMES ANDS HILL FROM PULL OUTY IS HERE WIT.

LINDSAY HAGA IS OUR PROJECT LAND SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS. BEFORE WE START, I WANT TO THANK DR. HILSENBECK BECAUSE WHEN I WS TALKING TOO HIM YESTERDAY, HE MN TODAY ME THAT THERE WAS A WAIVES PUD TEXT, AND I'M GOING TO CALLS TIME MORE THAN ONE MODIFICATIONR WAIVER BECAUSE YOU'VE YOU ALL KT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAYS N BE ONLY ONE MODIFICATION TO A ZR A PROPERTY IN ONE YEAR.

SO WE HAD HAD A WAIVER BECAUSEU LADY AND GENTLEMAN KNOW, WE WERE HERE FOR BANNON LAKES A COUPLE S LOTS OR UNITS WITHIN THE PROJECD AFTER THAT APPLICATION WAS FILE, PULLOUTY CAME ALONG AND NEEDED E

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AND THEN WE HAV REMOVED THAT WAR FROM THE TEXT. AND SO WE'RE -- I'M POINTING THO YOU AS A MATTER FOR THE RECORD T YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAIVER HAS BN REMOVED FROM THIS TEXT, AND WE D IT INTO THE OTHER TEXT WITH REGO THE ADDITIONAL UNITS WHICH WILLE BEFORE YOU AT A SUBSEQUENT HEAR.

AND I'LL GIVE THIS TO THE CLERKE RECORD. OKAY.

MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GUTS OFE APPLICATION, AGAIN, BANNON LAKES LOCATED AT I-95 AND INTERNATIONF PARKWAY, AND WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT. THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPRN 2015 AND INCLUDES A MAXIMUM OF 9 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THE REMAINING UNITS THAT ARE UNT WITHIN THE PROJECT ARE 463. AND SO WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY GOIO IS YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTF THE EXISTING, AND WE'LL TALK ABE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT. RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSED -- AND WT MS. HAGA UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT E DETAILS OF THE PHASING BECAUSE S IT BETTER THAN I.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT AT THE ENDE DAY THERE WILL BE 13 UNALLOCATED DEVELOPMENT UNITS WITH -- OF TH9 ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH CHANGES HERE TODAY, THAT WE'RE PROPOSIN. REALLY, THIS PUD MODIFICATION DH THE CHANGE IN LOTZ LOT SIZE, ANY RECALL THAT IN 2017 -- SO ORIGIE PUD WAS APPROVED IN 2015 -- IN E MOD NIDE THE PUD TO CHANGE THE T THE SETBACKS ARE MEASURED. THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS.

AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN R KNOW THE CODE KNOW THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE MEASURES SIDE K FROM EAVE TO EAVE UNLESS YOU CAE AND ASK FOR A WAIVER THAT YOU HE ENOUGH -- I'M GOING TO CALL IT E PROTECTION, FIRE FLOW FROM YOURS TO MEASURE TO THE SIDE YARD SETM OUTER WALL TO OUTER WALL.

IN 2017, WE WERE CHANGED E WHARVE THAT MEASURES FROM OUTERO OUTER WALL FOR SIDE YARD SETBACO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FIRE FLOW PORTE PROTECTION NEEDED. THAT WAS APPROVED BRI THIS BOARE COUNTY COMMISSION, BUT WE NEVERD THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FROM 43 FEO 40 FEET, AND THAT'S TYPICALLY WS DONE BECAUSE THE REASON FOR THE ADDITIONAL 3 FEET IS TO GO -- IE DANCE OF 1-1/2 FEET FOR EACH EAF THAT MAKES SENSE, AND WE CAN GOO THAT IN DETAIL. BUT THAT CHANGE TO ADD THE WAY E YARD SETBACKS ARE MEASURED WAS E THEE, GOING ON FOUR YEARS AGO. SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABY IS CHANGING THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, INCLUDES A VAF LOT SIZES, AND YOU SEE THAT THIU SEE THE LEGEND UP HERE OF HOW MY 43-FOOT WIDE LOTS, 50-FOOT WIDED 60-FOOT WIDE LOTS, AND WHERE THE LOCATED. SO YOU SEE THE 40S IN THIS LIGHR COLOR, THE 50S IN THE TANNER CO, AND THEN THE 60-FOOT WIDE LOTS E REDDISH COLOR, AND YOU SEE ALL D PRESERVATION, AGAIN, THE PROPOSO STAY WITHIN THE EXACT BUILDING FOOTPRINT, SO ALL OF THIS AREA O REMAIN, THE STORM WATER PONDS T, AND THE EXISTING BUILT DEVELOPMO REMAIN THE SAME. PROPOSED CHANGE IS, AGAIN, YOU',

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IT'S THE SAME SIZE HOME, JUST OA THINNER LOT. AND AGAIN, THAT ALLOWS FOR MORET FOOT 60-FOOT LOTS WHICH WOULD BE WIRED LOTS. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU'VET QUESTIONS ON THE PLANNING SIDE,A IS HERE, CHRIS HILL IS HERE FRO, AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONSU

WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANSWER. >> DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENE PHONE IN. >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. WE ARE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR EE COMMUNICATIONS AND QUESTIONS, AL

START FIRST WITH YOU, MR. ALAIM. >> THAW, MR. CHAIRMAN. LIKE I SAID, WE EXCHANGED VOICE.

I DID WANT TO DECLARE EX PARTE. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OE CONSTITUENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY,N LAKES, KIM CRANER, AND WE KIND - FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS WITH REGO THIS PROJECT BUT IT WAS ACTUALLN REGARDS TO ANOTHER PROJECT THATG TO BE COMING BEFORE US, AND ONEI BELIEVE WE ALREADY VOTED ON BUTS IT'S COMING BACK HERE WITH REGAO APARTMENTS OVER THERE, BUT SHE D EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THS REGARDING THE DENSITY OF THE LO. AND I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD TAKK AT EVERYTHING.

BUT I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEWE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING SEEMS TOK REALLY GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. MS. PERKINS. >> ARE THERE 40-FOOT LOTS IN THT

PHASE OR ARE THERE VARYING SIZYE FIRST PHASE OF BANNON LAKE? >> FOR THE RECORD, LINDSAY HAGAH ETM. SO IN THE FIRST PHASE OF THE BUT AREAS, THE SMALLEST LOT SIZE INT AREA WOULD BE 43 FEET. THE PUD WAS INITIALLY APPROVED G FROM 4363.

ON THIS MAP THAT YOU SEE THAT BA IS SEPARATED BY THAT STORM WATES THAT KIND PHYSICAL DIVIDE ARE AE LIGHT YELLOW LOTS WOULD REPRESE. THIS WOULD BE THAT POD, AND THIS THE SAME FROM THE SCEPGTUAL PLAO

43-FOOT WIDE LOTS. >> OKAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION.

NO EX PARTE. >> THANK YOU. MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> NO EX PARTE, NO QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. DR. MCCORMICK.

>> WE WE DISCUSSED THAT YESTEI SAID, WHEN WE WERE DOING EX PAR. THIS ISSUE CAME UP AND ALSO THEE THING THAT DR. HILSENBECK HAD TD ABOUT, SO THAT BEING SAID, AGAIM READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF IT'S

AGREEABLE. >> NO, I THINK WE'D EFFORT BETTT DR. HILSENBECK TALK AND I GET T.

>> SORRY. >> DR. HILSENBECK, DO YOU HAVE Y EX PARTE COMMUNICATION OR QUEST?

>> YES. I DID DRIVE BY THE PROPERTY. I DID SPEAK WITH ELLEN AVERY-SMT THAT THIS. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS NO.

SHE DID TELL ME THAT THEY WERE O TRY TROONS FER OR WERE GOING E WAIVER REQUEST FROM THIS APPLICO THE THE MAJOR MOD 2020-0 TWR BUD SHE WOULD REVISE THE LANGUAGE BE MEETING.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY REVISED LANGUA. AND NOW SHE IS SHOWING ON THE SN THERE THAT THERE IS SOME REVISED LANGUAGE. HAS THAT REVISED LANGUAGE BEEN Y NOTICED? I MEAN, THIS WAS THE AGENDA ITET WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TAKING AND G THIS ON -- WE'RE STILL CONSIDERG REQUESTS ON THE SAME PROPERTY WE YEAR'S TIME, EVEN IF YOU'RE MOVS TO THE MAJOR MOD 2020-02, THIS T STILL INSTITUTES A CONSTITUTESD REQUEST FOR THE SAME PROPERTY IA

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THANK YOU. >> AND DR. HILSENBECK, I DO APPE YOU BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION THT THAT THE PUD TEXT THAT WAS IN TF REPORT WASN'T THE LATEST VERSIO. WE HAD ACTUALLY FILED FOR THE RA VERSION 3, AND THE DOCUMENT THAN THE STAFF REPORT IS VERSION 2, S ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC RECORD, AE LANGUAGE I SHOWED YOU EARLIER ID LINE SHOWING YOU THE ONE CHANGEN VERSION 2 AND VERSION 3.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY MATERIAL CHA. AND ALSO WITH RESPECT TO MORE TE CHANGE PER YEAR, THIS IS A LARGT AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE PROPERTY. AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS PROPERTS OWNED BY POLTY, WHICH IS A DIFFT ENTITY THAN EASTLAND, WHICH IS E DEVELOPER OF THE PUD, AND SO POT FOR ITS OWN HOME-BUILDING PURPOS TO HAVE THIS MODIFICATION DONE S PROPERTY. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON.

THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES G FOR CHANGES TO DIFFERENT PORTIOF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS 580 ACREN SIZE, AND SOMETIMES WE DO HAVE E OCCASION WITHIN DRIS AND PUDS OA LARGER SIZE THAT WE HAVE TO DO N

ONE MODIFICATION PER YEAR FOR DT PROPERTY OWNERS. >> I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT,T GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS, NOR HOW MANY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS I, THIS IS STILL THE PSALM PROPERTT WE'RE CONSIDERING WITHIN A ONE-E PRAIM FRAME MODIFICATIONS TO TH. SO THAT TO ME IS CONTRARY TO TH.

YOU CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR, THE IT COMES BACK IN MARCH OR AP, BY YN ADMISSION, IS THAT ITEM WILL COK FOR CONSIDRATION TO US AGAIN INH OR APRIL. SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THI.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF T. I THINK THIS SETS A VERY BAD DES FOR ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOINGD

IN THE COUNTY>> AND I APPRECIAT, DR. HILSENBECK. I WILL JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD T IS A NOT UNCOMMON OCCURRENCE FOR PROJECTS TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE E PER YEAR, AND THIS OCCURS ALL TE WITH NOT JUST THIS PROJECT BUT , BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR SIZE E NUMBER OF OWNERS THAT ARE DEVELG WITHIN THEM, SO THAT IS THE REAY WE'VE GOT THIS MODIFICATION APPN FOR THE BOARD.

>> THANK YOU. SO I DID HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICN WITH MS. SMITH, AND WE DISCUSSEE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY A COUPLF THINGS HERE, AND IN PARTICULAR S A PENDING APPLICATION THAT HAS E BEFORE THE PZA THAT RELATES TO E NUMBER OF UNITS -- OR RELATES TE OTHER SUBJECT MATTERHAVE WE HEAE BOARD AND THE BOARD APPROVED INT YEAR A CHANGE TO THIS PUD?

THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF. >> NO, YOU HAVE NOT, THE BOARD T YET APPROVED THE PENDING COMPREE

PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION TO IE THE NUMBER OF UNITS WITHIN BOON. >> BANNON LAKES.

>> SO THE WAIVER FOR A SECOND HR APPROVAL IS GOING TO BE IN THAT PARTICULAR FILING OR IS IT STILS

FILING? >> IT'S IN THAT PARTICULAR FILIH WILL COME TO THIS BOARD AND THEY COMMISSION FOR ADOPTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION, AND THE RELATED PUD ADOPTION. YOU CANNOT REMEMBER THE DATES. APRIL AND MAY, EITHER MARCH ANDR APRIL AND MAY. MS. BISHOP MAY KNOW THE DATES. I HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE BUT I DT

REMEMBER THEM OFF THE TOP OF MY. >> SO THE ANSWER IS THERE HAS NA PUD CHANGE IN THE LAST YEAR.

>> NOT. NOT A FINALLY AT ONE, CORRECT. >> SO MY SECOND QUESTION, PERHAE FOR STAFF THAN ANYTHING ELSE BUK DR. HILSENBECK RAISED A QUESTIOT DID WE HAVE TO RENOTICE THIS MEG BAUTISTA WE CHANGED SOME LANGUAE PUD MODIFICATION, AND SO I'M GOO ASK STAFF TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> YES, THIS IS A CHANGE THAT WT HAVE TO BE RENOTICED, IN OTHER , THEY DELETED THEIR REQUEST FOR , SO IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL REQUEN WHAT WAS ADVERTISED, SO IT'S ADD PROPERLY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

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READY FOR A MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT. MY MOTION IS GOING TO BE THE SAT WAS BEFORE, WHICH IS A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF MAJMOD 20, BANNON LAKES PUD, REQUEST FOR AR MODIFICATION TO THE BOONE LAKES, ORDINANCE 2015-11, AS AMENDED, D UPON SIX FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> WE'VE GOT A FIRST AND A SECO. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION?

>> I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMEND THIS GOES TO THE CHAIR'S QUESTIO ELLEN AVERY-SMITH.

WHILE IT'S TRUE WE DID NOT VOTEA FINAL RESOLUTION TO THIS, WE DIO APPROVE AN INCREASE OF I THINK S 261 UNITS TO THE BANNON LAKES DEVELOPMENT. WE DID VOTE ON THAT IN NOVEMBERI BELIEVE. IT COULD HAVE BEEN OCTOBER OF 2. WE DID SLOOT ON THAT.

THE COUNTY COMMISSION THEN VOTE, AND IT MOVED FORWARD TO STATE AD REGIONAL AGENCIES, BUT IT IS COK TO US FOR FINAL APPROVAL IN MARR APRIL. BUT WE DID, AND I DON'T KNOW IFS SEMANTICS OR NOT, BUT WE DID ALY VOTE ON A CHANGE TO THIS PROPERN 2020.

LATE 2020. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY ADDRESS .

THANK YOU. >> YES, THANK YOU. >> WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE OCTOBEV TIME FRAME OF LAST YEAR WAS THE TRANSMITTAL OF THAT COMPREHENSIN AMENDMENT WHICH IS, AS DR. HILSK SAID, THAT WOULD HAVE SENT IT OE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMI OPPORTUNIS WELL AS OTHER STATE AND REGIONAL AGENCIES. THEY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO TN REVIEW IT, AND THEN THEY SEND CS BACK, AND THEN WITHIN 180 DAYS E NEED TO GET IT BACK TO THE PLAND ZONING AGENCY FOR ADOPTION FOR R RECOMMENDATION FOR ADOPTION ANDR BRODER OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS R ADOPTION.

>> THANK YOU. AND STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT WT GOES THROUGH FOR ADOPTION THAT A WAIVER IN THERE FOR TWO ITEMS WA YEAR. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR, WE WILL LOOK FOR T. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO VO. DR. HILSENBECK.

[7. Recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners for Planning and Zoning Agency Member Appointments.]

>> NO. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES.

>> MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> YES. >> AND DR. MCCORMICK. >> YES.

>> AND THE CHAIR VOTES YES, SO T MOTION PASSES 5-1. OKAY.

ON TO AGENCY BUSINESS. MORE AGENCY BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO FILL TWO SLOT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

AND WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE THAT E SUPPOSED TO EMPLOY HERE? IS IT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO WHEE ELECT HAD A CHAIRPERSON WHERE TN BE ANY NUMBER OF NOMINATIONS ANE EACH ONE ONE AT A TIME?

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE PROCEDUO I SET THE PROCEDURE? >> YES.

WELL, IT IS THE DISCRETION OF TD TO DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO PROCH THE NOMINATIONS.

YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A HARDT YOUR DAIS CALLED "RECOMMENDED PS FOR NOMINATION FOR TWO PZA VACA" IM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YESE PROCEDURE IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOT THROUGH LAST MEETING WITH SELECF THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR. FIRST YOU'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMEN. THAT CAN BE PUBLIC COMMENT PREST PROPOSED CANDIDATES AND ANY MEMF THE PUBLIC. ONCE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED, L START TAKING NOMINATIONS FOR YOR NOMINATION LIST. YOU CAN START WITH THE FIRST PO, WHICH WOULD BE TO FILL MR. KOPPS POSITION AND REQUEST A LIST OF . ONCE THE NOMINATION LIST IS CLO, VOTING ON THOSE NOMINEES WILL BH THE FIRST NOMINEE. THE FIRST NOMINEE WHO OBTAINS AY

VOTE WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDATIOR THAT VACANCY. >> VERY GOOD.

>> AND YOU CAN PROCEED WITH MR. WHITEHURST -- I'M SORRY -- E OTHER, MR. WAYNE.

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>> IT WOULD BE A SHOCK TO MR. WHITEHURST. >> YES, IT WOULD BE.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ON THE AA ITEM SHEET THERE ARE TWO RMED M. THE FIRST MOTION HAS AN INCORRE.

IT CALL OUT THE EXPIRATION DATEF FEBRUARY 21, 2023. THESE ARE FOUR-YEAR TERMS, SO TM WOULD EXPIRE IN 2025. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT S THE SAME DATE THAT MR. KOPPENHAS TERM EXPIRES. THE PZA MAY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDR STARTING THE NEXT MEMBER'S TERME APPOINTMENT DATE THAT THE BOARDF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVES TT APPOINTMENT SO THAT MEMBER WOULA

FULL FOUR YEARS. >> ALL RIGHT. DOES NUB HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON E PROCESS OR THE PROCEDURE? HEARING NONE, I'M GOING TO OPENE FLOOR FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? >> WE DO NOT. >> DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ON THE PH?

NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. SO THE FIRST POSITION WE ARE GOO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FILL IG TO BE MR. KOPPENHAFER, AND SO TR IS OPEN RIGHT NOW FOR NOMINATIO.

>> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR ZACHARY O THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY A

FOYER-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXE FEBRUARY 1, 2025. >> SECOND.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE JOE MCINERNEY. >> HOLD ON ONE SECOND, DR. HILS.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE N ARCHITECT ON THE DOLLARS. AND HE IS CERTAINLY THAT.

HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN SEVERAL OR CIVIC AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIOH AS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CIVIC ROUNDTABLE, HOW TO SEND FRIENDSF FLORIDA AND OTHERS, SO I WOULD D JOE MCANARNEY.

>> SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MS. PERKS SECONDED MR. ALAIMO'S MOTION, BE GOT TO GO THROUGH AND GATHER ALE CANDIDATES FIRST, ACCORDING TO E WE'RE USING, SO WILL YOU WITHDRR SECOND, PLEASE.

>> YES, I'LL WITHDRAW MY SECOND. >> SO AT THIS POINT WE HAVE JOE MCANARNEY AND ZACH MILLER, NOT T ORDER. ARE THERE ANY OTHER MOM NOMINL THE SEAT OF MR. KOPPENHAFER?

>> I'M SORRY. MR. MATOVINA, A POINT OF CLARIF. EACH CANDIDATE SHOULD RECEIVE AD

TO BE PLACED ON THE NOMINATION . >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. ALL RIGHT. I STAND CORRECTED.

>> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? >> EACH CANDIDATE PLACED ON THE NOMINATION LIST SHOULD ALSO RECA

SECOND. >> I'D SECOND IT. >> YOU SECOND.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. TIME OUT. LET'S GO BACK TO ZACH MILLER.

YOU HAVE A FIRST. MS. PERKINS, YOU'RE MAKING A SED I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING INCORRECT.

THEN WE HAVE A FIRST ON JOE MCAY AND YOU ARE MAKING THE SECOND. SO GO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE M THE FLOOR? HEARING NONE, WE'RE GOING TO VON ZACH MILLER, AND SO I'M GOING TT

WITH MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER VOTES YES.

MS. PERKINS. >> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO.

>> YES. >> DR. HILSENBECK. >> NO.

>> DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO. >> AND THE CHAIRMAN VOTES YES.

SO THAT IS ZACH MILLER. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON ANE TAKE NEW NOMINATIONS AT THIS POR THE NEXT POSITION? SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ONE SECON, LET ME FINISH A LITTLE RECORD K.

OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL THE E UNEXPIRED TERM OF ARCHIE WAINRI, WHICH IS EXPIRES JUNE 2, 2021. WE'RE FILLING THIS TERM UNTIL JUNE 2ND, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT I WILL OPEN THR

FOR NOMINATIONS TO FILL THAT PO. >> CHAIRMAN, YES, I WOULD LIKE A NOMINATION FOR THE VERY SAME RET DR. HILSENBECK MADE A RECOMMENDN BEFORE, THAT WE'RE REMOVING AN ARCHITECT, WE DON'T HAVE AN ARCN THE BOARD. NO WE HAVE ANOTHER ATTORNEY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE JOE

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MCANARNEY. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATI? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL NOM FLATEW EVERIER.

>> SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECN DLIEWN EVENER.

IS THERE A THIRD NOMINATION? -- ON ANDREW EVENER. IS THERE A THIRD NOMINATION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, THIS FIRST VOTE IG TO BE ON JOE MCANARNEY, AND I AG

TO START WITH DR. HILSENBECK. >> YES. >> DR. MCCORMICK.

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO. >> NO.

>> MS. PERKINS. >> NO. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER.

>> YES. >> AND MR. MATOVINA VOTES NO. SO MR. MCANARNEY DOES NOT PASS.

THAT MOVES US ON TO MR. EVENER,I WILL GO IN THE SAME ORDER AGAIN. DR. HILSENBECK.

>> THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS. I'M GOING TO SAY NO.

>> OKAY. DR. MCCORMICK. >> NO.

>> MR. ALAIMO. >> YES. >> MS. PERKINS.

>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER. >> NO.

>> AND MR. MATOVINA VOTES YES. SO -- >> AND MR. MATOVINA, FOR THE BOS INFORMATION, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENTS ON THE

MARCH 2ND MEETING AGENDA. >> OKAY. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND RECOMD CANDIDATE. IS THAT BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS S POINT?

>> YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDED CANDIR EACH POSITION, BUT YOU'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING ONE FOR EACH.

>> WE DIDN'T -- THE SECOND POSIN DIDN'T PASS. IT WAS 3-3 TIE FOR BOTH.

>> I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I COUNTED FOUR. CAN WE HAVE A RECOUNT ON THAT?

>> I WILL TELL YOU HOW THE VOTE. WE HAD NOS FROM DR. HILSENBECK D DR. MCCORMICK AND MR. KOPPENHAFD

THERE ARE SIX OF US HERE, SO -- >> I'M SORRY. I MISCOUNTED.

I THOUGHT MR. KOPPENHAFER SAID . >> YOU DID SAY NO, RIGHT? >> NO, FOR THE RECORD.

>> I'M SORRY. SO WE NEED ANOTHER NOMINATION. OR DO YOU WANT TO PUT IT FORWARO

RECOMMENDATION? >> I'M GOING TO THROW IT OUT TOE BOARD.

IS THERE A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE T ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE OS ANYBODY WANT TO CHANGE THEIR VO? OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD SAY THE RECOMMENDING ZACH MILLER OR -- D

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BOTH OF THE NOMINATED INDIVIDUAD TO GET A MAJORITY OF THE VOTE. SO WE WILL MOVE ON ALT THIS POIO STAFF

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