Feb 02, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

YOU KNOW IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT PROCEEDINGS THROUGH REMOTE PROCEEDINGS SO THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE PROVIDES THE TELEPHONE NUMBER TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING.

EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL PLEASE CALL BACK.

IN ADDITION, PLEASE SELF-TIME THE THREE MINUTE BECAUSE THE COUNTER MAY NOT BE VISIBLE TO YOU AS YOU CALL IN.

PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONES WHILE YOU'RE ON HOLD WAITING FOR COMMENT. BE AWARE THERE MAY BE A 30 SECOND TIME DELAY IN THE PRESENTATIONS.

IF WE EXPERIENCE ANY DIFFICULTIES WE'LL BRIEFLY RESESRESRECESS AND RESUME THE M. ONCE YOU FIND THE MEETING AGENDA, CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS ALL THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS. CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HAVE THE THE INVOCATION BY PASTOR CHRIS AWESOME BY COLONIAL CHURCH. PLEASE COME UP, SIR.

>> P GGOOD MORNING. I WANTED TO QUICKLY READ I KINGS 3. THIS IS SOLOMON ASKING FOR WISDOM. IT SAYS IT PLEASED THE LORD THAT SOLOMON HAD ASKED THIS AND GOD SAID TO HIM BECAUSE YOU HAVE ASKED THIS, YOU HAVE NUT ASKED D FOR YOURSELF LONG LIFE OR RICHES OF THE LIFE OF ENEMIES BUT YOU HAVE ASKED TO DISCERN WHAT IS RIGHT, BEHOLD I NOW DO ACCORDING TO YOUR WORD.

I THANK YOU THIS MORNING THAT JUST AS SOLOMON HAS ASKED FOR WISDOM YOU ACTUALLY GIVE OUT WISDOM TO US, JESUS.

WE ASK S L LORD THAT YOU BRING WISDOM FROM HEAVEN TODAY AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT WISDOM, LORD AND GUIDE US IN OUR DECISION MAKING TODAY, LORD. I JUST ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS EACH AND EVERY COUNTY COMMISSIONER TODAY.

THEIR FAMILIES, PRAY THAT YOU BLESS THEM.

PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE THEIR STEPS DURING THIS MEETING.

WE THANK YOU, JESUS, FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE CROSS FOR US, LORD. EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AND WE PRAY ALL THIS IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

>> LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING HE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING TO BE THIS INVOCATION TO OUR FLAG, THIS PLEDGE TO OUR FLAG.

MY NAME IS BILL DUDLEY, I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE VETERAN'S COUNCIL FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. I SERVED IN THE UNIVERSITY AIR UNITED STATESAIR FORCE FOR 20 PD I RETIRED AT THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT COLONEL. IT GIVES ME PLEASURE THIS MORNING TO BE ABLE TO LEAD THIS ESTEEMED BODY IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO OUR FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE PLOI REPUBLIC FOR WHT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, DEDEVINDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AD

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, MR. DUDLEY.

PLEASE BE SEATED. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT INTO

[Consent Agenda]

COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> NONE.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE. >> MR. CHAIR?

>> YES. >> NOT AND AN ADDITION OR DELETN BUT REGULAR ITEM NUMBER THREE I WANTED TO MENTION HAD BEEN ON A PREVIOUS MEETING CONSENT AGENDA. MY SENSE IS THAT THE ISSUES HAVE

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THE BOARD MAY WANT TO CONSIDER THAT EARLY IN THE MEETING, IT WOULD NOT EVEN REQUIRE A PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL

OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ? >> SO MOVED.

>> WE'LL DO IT BY -- ALL AYES SAY YES.

[Regular Agenda]

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE ATTORNEY'S ADVICE AND MOVE NUMBER THREE TO THE VERY FIRST ITEM.

WE COULD TAKE CARE OF THAT EVEN WITHOUT A PRESENTATION.

SPEED THE MEETING ALONG. >> IS THERE A CONSENSUS? OKAY. BEING THERE IS A CONSENSUS WE'LL MOVE AGENDA ITEM 3 WILL BE MOVED TO -- WE'LL SAY ONE ALPHA.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CHANGES.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO AGENDA ITEM 1 ALPHA. JUST FOR THOSE THAT ARE HERE, WE HAD A PRESENTATION THIS MORNING FROM THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. THEY WERE GOING TO PRESENT AN AWARD FOR EXCELLENCE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSINGAL HOUSING.

DUE TO A SCHEDULING CONFLICT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND -- OH, OKAY. SORRY.

MA'AM, PLEASE COME ON UP. SORRY, JUST RECEIVED A NOTE THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABE.

[Northeast Florida Regional Council Award for Excellence in Affordable Housing Presentation]

PLEASE COME ON UP. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

MY NAME IS BETH PAYNE AND I'M THE CEO OF NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL COUNCIL. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TO CONGRATULATE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THEIR AWARD, ESPECIALLY TO COMMISSIONERS BLOCKER AND WALDRON WHO SIT ON OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THE REGIONAL COUNCIL HAS A LONG HISTORY OF GIVING OUT AWARDS AND CELEBRATING THE GREAT WORK OF THE REGION. THIS INCLUDES 2021, 2020 WHICH S ACCOMPANIED BY AN AWARDS CEREMONY WHICH WAS OBVIOUSLY POSTPONED. WHILE WE DID ANNOUNCE OUR WINNERS IN OUR JANUARY BOARD MEETING I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE IN PERSON TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS AWARD INSTEAD OF HAVING IT SIT IN MY OFFICE. IT CAN SIT IN ONE OF YOURS.

THIS AWARD CELEBRATES INNOVATION AND BEST PRACTICES IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO WE APPLAUD THE COUNTY FOR ITS EFFORTS IN UPDATING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CREATING YOUR NEW ZONING DESIGNATION. THIS CHANGE AND PROGRAM ALONG WITH THE INCENTIVES CERTAINLY TAKES STEPS FOR ALL RESIDENTS TO HAVE SAFE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN VIBRANT CAN COMMUNITIES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE THIS WORK IS GOING ON IN ST. JOHNS AND WE HOPE TO HAVE IT REPLICATED ACROSS THE REGION. MANY THANKS AND CONGRATULATIONS

TO YOU ALL ON THIS ACHIEVEMENT. >> THANK YOU, IS MR. RYAN HERE? I WANTED TO GET A PICTURE. I'LL COME DOWN.

[3. PFSMOD 2020-01 Cordova Palms - SR 313 - Amendment to Concurrency and Impact Fee Credit Agreement.]

>> MR. CHAIR, THIS ITEM HAD BEEN ON A PREVIOUS AGENDA AS A

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>> GO AHEAD. >> YEAH, I WAS SAYING, MR. CHAIR, THIS ITEM, AS I HAD MENTIONED HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ON A CONSENT AGENDA. IT WAS REMOVED, PLACED HERE.

MY SENSE IS THAT THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN CLARIFIED.

THERE IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR A PRESENTATION.

OF COURSE, THE BOARD COULD HAVE ONE.

IF NOT, THEN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER

IT ON ITS MERITS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WALDRON, DO YOU

HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO, ALL MY QUESTIONS WERE

ANSWERED. >> OKAY, PERFECT.

AT THIS POINT, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR AND PROCEDURE IS CLEAR AT THIS POINT WOULD WE TAKE THIS UP AS A MOTION?

>> YES. AND THEN AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT,

THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER IT. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS MATTER?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE PFS

MOD 2020-01. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SEEING NO DISCUSSION WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. VICE CHAIR, IF YOU COULD

READ THE -- OKAY. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON WHAT IS NOW ITEM 1 ALPHA. IT WAS 3, BUT IT'S THE CORDOVA PALMS AMENDMENT, ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, ANY CALLS? IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ONE CALL. GO AHEAD.

IS THERE A CALLER ON THE PHONE? >> YES, THERE IS.

TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA.

THE ONLY THING I HAVE ON THIS IS I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHY YOU FOLKS KEEP SWITCHING THE AGENDA ITEMS. PEOPLE ARE READY FOR AGENDA ITEMS, THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THIS FROM 3 TO 1. THAT'S ALL I GOT.

MORE INCOMPETENCE FROM THE COMMISSION.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? FIRTH FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR.

BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY COMMENTS? OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

THAT AGENDA ITEM PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU.

WE'LL MOVE ON INTO AGENDA ITEM 2.

[1. Summer Haven Update.]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I'M DAMON DOUGLAS, YOUR COASTAL MANAGER WITH EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

WE HAVE FOR YOU AN UPDATE ON SUMMER HAVEN.

WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME BRIEF BACKGROUND AND SOME INFORMATION TO FACILITATE YOUR DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES.

SO AS A WAY OF A QUICK BACKGROUND, THIS AREA HAS LONG EXPERIENCED SEVERE EROSION. THERE IS A HISTORY OF OVERWASHES, BREACHES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

IF WE CAN LOOK AT THESE IMAGES HERE, ON THE LEFT IS 1960.

THIS IS THE AREA WE'RE DISCUSSING, OLD A1A.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN 1 1960 THEY D BEGUN TO BUILD A1A TO BYPASS WHAT WAS A1A BEFORE. IN 1 1980, A1A IS ACTIVE AND AT THAT POINT OLD A1A IS NO LONGER A STATE ROAD.

OLD A1A WAS DEEDED TO THE COUNTY IN 1979.

IT WAS ABANDONED BY THE D.O.T., THEY COULD NOT MAINTAIN IT.

IT WAS DESIGNATED IN THE COASTAL BARRIER RESOURCE ACT AS A CBRA ZONE IN 1981. IT PROHIBITS FEDERAL EXPENDITURES ON PROJECTS THAT ENCOURAGED DEVELOPMENT.

THERE WAS A DETERMINATION THAT ROAD RESTORATION WILL ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE SOME VACANT LOTS IN THE AREA. THE AREA WAS DESIGNATED CRITICALLY ERODED BY THE DEP IN 1999.

PREVIOUS TO THAT, IT'S A STRANGE SOUNDING THING, BUT IT'S NOT NON-CRITICALLY ERODED. THAT MEANS IT'S SEVERELY ERODED BUT THERE'S NOT UPLAND BY IT.URES THAT ARE THREATENED- IN 1999 THEY CHANGED THE DISAIGZ DESIGNATION TO CRITICALLY ERODED. SO THE COUNTY, JUST A BRIEF

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WE HAVE PURCHASED LAND IN THE AREA WHERE GRAND FUNDS HAVE BECOME AVAILABLE AND THERE ARE WILLING SELLERS.

IN THE MAP WE PROVIDED HERE YOU CAN SEE IN BLUE THESE ARE THE LOTS THE COUNTY HAS ACQUIRED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

AND THEN THESE -- THE YELLOW DOTS ARE ACTUAL HOUSES THAT ARE ON -- IN THIS AREA. SO WE HAVE DONE THREE ROUNDS OF FEMA BERMS WE'RE AWARE OF. WE HAVE FOUND ARMY CORPS BEACH NOURISHMENT STUDIES, 1982, 2004, 2016.

THEY WERE NEVER ABLE TO FIND A GOOD COST BENEFIT AND FEDERAL INTEREST DETERMINATION TO HAVE A BEACH PROJECT THERE.

DESPITE REQUESTS FROM THE COUNTY.

THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 3.5 MILLIOD PLACED SINCE 1992.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS IS BENEFICIAL DISPOSAL OF DREDGE FROM THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY. THE COUNTY HAS EXPENDED OVER $1.5 MILLION SINCE TW TW 2 2008. THE DURING HURRICANE MATTHEW, THE ROAD WAS DESTROYED. WE APPLIED TO HAVE THE ROAD REBUILT. LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS WITH FEMA.

THEY WOULD NOT REBUILD THE ROAD IN THIS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. SO THE COUNTY STAFF WORKED WITH THEM AND THEY DID EVENTUALLY APPROVE A VEGETATED DUNE.

SO THAT IS QUEUED UP, READY TO GO.

THE FINAL PERMIT IS EXPECTED IN DAYS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET OUT THERE IN THE FIELD AND CONSTRUCT THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. EXPECTED IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS. SO WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, COUNTY STAFF HAS EXAMINED THE PAST STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY CONSULTANTS TO THE COUNTY. ALL THE OTHER LITERATURE AVAILABLE, THE INTERNAL BACKGROUND.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WE'LL CONTINUE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT AND THE ARMY CORPS TO STRATEGICALLY PLACE THE DREDGE MATERIAL ON THE BEACH.

THERE'S LIMITS AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THAT.

THEY GET TO DO IT IF IT'S AS INEXPENSIVE AS JUST DUMPING IT.

IF WE WANT TO SHAPE IT INTO MORE BENEFICIAL AREAS THAT COULD CUST UPWARDS OF A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'LL LOOK AT AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT SAND FENCING AND DUNE PLANTING WHERE THERE IS DRY SAND THAT DOESN'T GET WET DURING THE TIDE CYCLE. WE'LL PROPOSE PROJECTS TO HELP TO ADD FORTIFICATION WHERE APPROPRIATE.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK FOR ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES, WHEREVER FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE WILLING SELLERS, WE'LL EXAMINE THOSE THE OFFERS.

WE'VE LOOKED, AS I'VE SAID THROUGH PREVIOUS STUDIES OVER THE YEARS. WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. THERE'S THREE BASIC ALTERNATIVES FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. YOU CAN DO BEACH NOURISHMENT, THERE'S HARDENED STRUCTURES OR THERE'S BUYOUTS OF THE AREA.

ALL OF THESE REQUIRE INVESTMENT. WITH THE PROHIBITION OF FEDERAL COST SHARING, WE CANNOT GET A FEDERAL PARTNER ON ANY OF THESE TYPE OF OPTIONS. IF ANYTHING COMES AVAILABLE WE'D OF COURSE BRING IT. SO STRUCTURAL SOLUTION, THEY'RE DISCOURAGED BY FEDERAL LAW DUE TO THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT.

THEY HAVE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT.

THEY CAUSE EROSION DOWNSTREAM. AGGRESSIVE BUYOUTS, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THAT. WITH THAT WE'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE. THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT FROM 2013. WE HAVE BEEN -- HAD ONGOING EFFORTS. WE HAVE REMAINED WITHIN COMPLIANCE OF THAT AGREEMENT. BUT I'D LIKE TO TURN OVER TO MRA LITTLE MORE DETAIL THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

>> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS.

BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC, SORT OF THE EXCELLENCE APPERTINENTOF THE SELLER AGREEMP THERE ON THE BOARD.

I COULD READ THROUGH THE WHOLE THING BUT I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, SOME OF THE POINTS.

IF A CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT OCCURS.

IN THE MOST RECENT INCIDENCE IS HURRICANE MATTHEW IN 2016 AND

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IT DESTROYED A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE OLD A1A RI RIGHTF WAY, WHICH HAPPENED FROM BLOCKS 66 TO 23.

66 IS KIND OF AT THE SOUTHERN EXTREME OF OLD A1A WHERE IT BASICALLY INTERSECTS WITH THE CURRENT A1A TO BLOCK 23.

THAT'S ROUGHLY KIND OF HALFWAY UP THE STRETCH OF OLD A1A GOING NORTH. THE COUNTY WILL MAKE TIMELY AND GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO OBTAIN STATE AND OTHER AVAILABLE FUNDS TO RESTORE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT REASONINABLY POSSIBLE THE CONDITION OF OLD A1A, AGAIN THE SAME SECTION, AS IT EXISTED AS OF THE DATE OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS 2013.

SUBJECT TO ANY REGULATORY LIMITATIONS IMPOSED ON THE COUNTY IN MAKING THIS EFFORT. LOBTSTHERE ARE SOME OF THOSE.

PRIOR TO OBTAINING ANY FEDERAL OR STATE FUNDS AND SUBJECT TO DEMANDS PLACED BY A CATASTROPHIC WEATHER EVENT -- OF COURSE, MATTHEW S AND IRMA DID MUCH DAME UP AND DOWN THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY IN THE COASTAL AREA, MAKE TIMELY AND GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY VEHICULAR ACCESS TO ALL PROPERTIES FROM BLOCK -- SAME SECTION -- BY USING ITS AUTHORITY UNDER THE JOINT COASTAL PERMIT.

AND THAT'S MENTIONED THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS BUT ALSO OBLIGATIONS AND LIMITATIONS TO THE JOINT COASTAL PERMIT SUBJECT TO THE REGULATORY LIMITATIONS IMPOSED ON THE COUNTY IN THIS EFFORT. I WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD OF THAT PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS. >> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. WE HAVE STAFF FROM THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SUMMER HAVEN THROUGHOUT THE YEARS TO HELP FACILITATE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY

HAVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. DOUGLAS.

BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER DEAN?

>> DAMON, DON'T LEAVE. >> YES, SIR?

>> IN THE PAST HAS THE COUNTY STAFF OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY EVER CONSIDERED AND LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONSTRUCTING A COUNTY ROAD WEST OF THESE HOMES INSTEAD EAST TO

YOUR KNOWLEDGE? >> THAT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.

WE'VE LOOKED AT IT RECENTLY. THERE'S WETLANDS BEHIND THE HOMES. A COUPLE OF THE HOMES ARE SITED MORE WESTERLY THAN THE OTHER HOMES.

IT WOULD REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL MITIGATION AND SUBSTANTIAL COST TO FILL IN THOSE WETLANDS ENOUGH TO HAVE A STABILIZED DRIVING

SURFACE. >> ANY RANGE OF NUMBERS COST

WISE OR JUST SUBSTANTIAL? >> I DON'T HAVE A RANGE AT THIS POINT, COMMISSIONER. WE LOOKED AT IT AND COULD TELL IT WAS GOING TO BE LARGE NUMBER SO WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PRICED IT

OUT. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

I ASK THAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONS, FOR A REASON.

THAT IS THIS IS PROBABLY -- THIS AREA EAST OF THESE HOMES, THIS BEACHFRONT, IT PROBABLY IS THE MOST UNSTABLE BEACHFRONT I HAVE SEEN IN FLORIDA IN MY 40 YEARS. I'M NOT CRITICIZING ANYONE, I'M SIMPLY STATING MY OBSERVATION AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME HISTORY WITH BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND BEACH AND SHORE ISSUES.

I'M LOOKING. I ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M LOOKING FOR ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES THAT MAY EXIST THAT ARE FEASIBLE AND ECONOMICALLY PRACTICAL TO -- AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO AN ONGOING MAINTENANCE EFFORT OF AN AREA THAT I SEE CONTINUING YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT TO SUFFER AND EXPERIENCE EXTREME EROSION. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

COMMISSIONER SMITH NOW. >> MR. DOUGLAS, HOW MANY LOTS ARE THERE IN BETWEEN BLOCK 23 AND BLOCK 66?

>> I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS. HEAD THERE ARE 47.

>> THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD ME WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT.

YOU'RE RIGHT ON. AND HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE

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DEVELOPED? >> THERE ARE 25 HOUSES IN THAT

AREA, SIR. >> AND HOW MANY OF THOSE PRECEDED THE CBRA DIS DESIGNATIN 1981?

>> VERY FEW. I WANT TO SAY THERE'S A HANDFUL.

I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> MR. WALDRON?

>> COMMISSIONER DOUGLAS, DO YOU FEEL THE COUNTY HAS EXTENDED ALL IT COULD TO FEMA IN BUILDING A ROAD? WE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD RIGHT NOW?

>> YES, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM BEING INVOLVED ON THE PERIPHERY, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FOLKS THAT WERE FRONT LINE NEGOTIATING WITH FEMA. THEY DID TRY GOOD FAITH AS HARD AS THEY COULD TO GET THAT ROAD REBUILT.

>> HOW MANY PLACES DO WE HAVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY THAT'S IN A

CBRA ZONE? >> VERY FEW.

OTHER THIS AREA, CORPUS POINT IS IN A CBRA ZONE AND THERE'S A SMALL AREA IN NEWLY OPENED PHASE ONE OF MUSEUM PARK IN VILANO.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> MR. DOUGLAS, I HEARD YOU SAY PART OF THE SETTLEMENT IN 2013 IS WE HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO ACQUIRE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS BUT THEN YOU WENT ON TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE THE TO RECEIVE FEDERAL FUNDS BECAUSE OF THE DESIGNATION, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. FEMA IS GOING TO FUND THE VEGETATED DUNE. THERE'S ROOM WITHIN THERE TO COME TO THE RIGHT POINT IN THE GRAY AREA WHERE WE CAN GET SOME FUNDING. SO THEY'RE GOING TO PAY 75% OF

THAT DUNE. >> IF I MAY, THROUGH THE CHAIR -- WE MAY NEED TO HAVE MR, TOO.

I THINK THE CBRA DESIGNATION DOESN'T MEAN NO FUNDS CAN BE USED BUT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. ONE OF THE ACCEPTABLE USES IS THIS BERM. I BELIEVE, AND MR. GIAMACO CAN CONFIRM, THE COUNTY TRIED IN GOOD FAITH TO REALLY HAVE -- TO TRY TO ACQUIRE THE FUNDING TO KIND OF REBUILD THAT RIGHT OF WAY. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS DENIED.

THE COUNTY APPEALED THAT. HOWEVER, THE APPEAL DID NOT TAKE. SO THE COUNTY APPLIED TO HAVE THE BERM TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR THE AREA THAT IS LANDWARD FROM WHERE THAT BERM WOULD BE. MR. GIAMACO, IF I'M SPEAKING OUT

OF SCHOOL ON THAT, IF YOU -- >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

YEAH, SO THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH IS WE -- AFTER THE STORM WENT THROUGH, THE FEMA PROCESS, THE PROJECT WORKSHEET WAS FOR RESTORING A1A TO ITS PRESTORM CONDITIONS.

FEMA INFORMED US, SINCE THE ROAD WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED THEY WOULD NOT BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT WAS CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WHAT -- INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF DENYING THAT AND GOING THROUGH A LENGTHY APPEAL, WE HAD WORKED WITH FEMA TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING IN THAT VICINITY. SO WE WORKED WITH THEM TO DEVELOP THE ALTERNATIVE, WHICH WAS A VEGETATED DUNE.

THEY WENT THROUGH AND ALLOWED US TO DO THE VEGETATED DUNE.

WE APPEALED THE ROAD PORTION OF IT.

AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS IT BECAME A MOOT POINT BECAUSE THEY SAID YOU'RE BUILDING THE VEGETATED DUNE AND THAT IS WHAT IS ALLOWABLE. FEMA WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO BUILD NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A HIGH HAZARD ZONE AREA BUT WILL ALLOW

US TO DO THE VEGETATED DUNE. >> I GUESS THE POINT OF MY QUESTION IS MOST OF THE REMEDIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US WOULD HAVE TO BE FUNDED AT THE STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL IF WE WERE TO AVAIL OURSELVES OF THOSE OPTIONS?

>> IF YOU WANTED TO DO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA, YOU CANNOT USE FEDERAL FUNDS ACCORDING TO FEMA.

>> THANK YOU. >> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, ONE MORE TIME, MR. GIAMACO, I THINK DESCRIBING IT THIS WAY, IS THAT THE APPEAL WAS LOOKED AT FOR THE FULL PROJECT BUT ULTIMATELY THE APPEAL PERTAINED TO AT LEAST GET THE BERM IS MY

UNDERSTANDING. >> CORRECT.

THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT TERMS THAT GET THROWN AROUND.

THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE PROJECT THROWN IN THERE.

THAT MEANS IF WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE HAD A DETERMINATION AND WE WERE IN THE DENIAL PORTION OF FEMA AND WE

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BEFORE WE GOT TO THAT POINT, WE WORKED WITH FEMA TO TRY TO GET THE FULL FUNDING OF -- 87.5%, 12.5 COMES FROM THE STATE.

WE WORKED WITH FEMA TO ALLOW US TO CHANGE THE SCOPE TO TAKE OUT THE ROAD PORTION BUT ALLOW US TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE VEGETATED DUNE. THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY ENDED UP AND THAT'S WHATS BEING DONE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> SORRY.

AT WHAT LEVEL DID FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT PULL THEIR POLES AND

ALL THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE OUT? >> IT'S BEEN A PROCESS OF AS THE ROAD HAS EXPERIENCED DAMAGE, THEY'VE TAKEN POLES OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. THERE IS AN ACTIVE OVERWASH, SOMEWHAT OF A REACH AT THIS POINT AND THERE WAS ANOTHER POLE THAT WAS TAKEN OUT. I WANT TO SAY -- I DON'T HAVE THE BLACK BLOCK NUMBERS IN FROF ME.

>> IT'S BEYOND THE BREACH? >> SOUTH OF IT.

JUST SOUTH OF IT. >> AND THE HIGH-WATER MARK, DO YOU CONSIDER -- LAST TIME I WAS THERE IT WAS KIND OF TO THE POLES. IS IT STILL COMING THAT FAR UP?

>> YES, WE DO LOOK AT IT. WE SEND OUR COASTAL ENVIRONMENT, PROJECT MANAGER OUT THERE WITH A DRONE, TAKE PICTURES REGULARLY.

DURING REGULAR HIGH TIDES THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE ACCESS TO THE EXISTING HOUSES THAT IS UNDERWATER.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE BEST ANSWERED BY MR. GIAMACO. JUST TO -- MR. GIAMACO, WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE FEMA DUNE? DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATION OF IT? IT'S 75% IS FEDERAL FUNDED AND 12.5%, 12.5% BY STATE AND LOCAL.

>> YES, SIR. THE APPROVED PW IS $1,641,484.75% IS FEMA, 12.5% IS FROM THE STATE AND THE COUNTY IS

12.5% COST SHARE. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR -- I ASSUME PUBLIC WORKS OR MAYBE MR. DOUGLAS YOU'LL HAVE THIS ONE AS WELL. WHAT ARE THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BY THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND WHAT VALUE WAS THAT? MAYBE IN THIS LAST CALENDAR YEAR.

>> GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

IN 2019 AND 2020, WE ESTIMATED ABOUT $20,000 WORTH OF REGRADING, LEVELING OF PUBLIC WORKS IN SUMMER HAVEN,

COMMISSIONER. >> WITH AN ESTIMATED DOLLAR VALUE, HOW MANY -- WHAT MORE COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE EFFORTS

THAT WERE DONE? >> WE WENT --

>> I DON'T IF I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM.

WHAT WAS DONE TO TRY TO PROMOTE ACCESS THERE?

>> IN NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE CREWS WENT OUT THERE AND PERFORMED LEVELING, WHICH IS GETTING A SKID STEER WITH SOME EQUIPMENT BEHIND IT TO TRY TO LEVEL OFF THE ROAD TO MAKE SURE IT'S PASSIBLE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE'VE BEEN ON SITE MULTIPLE TIMES TO INSPECT THE SURFACE TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD HAVE DONE TO ASSIST IN

ACCESS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? LET'S OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> YES, ITEM 1, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE HAVE TWO CALLS IT APPEARS.

GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE.

ITEM 1. SUMMER HAVEN.

>> TOM REYNOLDS. 50 BRIGADINE COURT, ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO ASK A FAVOR OF YOU. PLEASE GO LIKE A REGULAR CITIZEN AND CLICK ON THE AGENDA ON THIS ITEM.

JUST ASK YOURSELF IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SEEING ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT SOMEBODY COULD READ WHAT WAS GOING TO BE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. I'M AMAZED.

ALL THAT STUFF THAT DAMON JUST SHOWED UP WITH.

NONE OF IT IS ON THE BACKUP AGENDA.

NONE OF IT. I'M AMAZED.

WHY WOULDN'T IT BE ON THE BRAP P AGENDA?

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SMITH ASKED HIM HOW MANY LOTS THERE ARE.

WHAT DOES HE SAY? OH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 47.

WOW, HE WAS RIGHT. HE WAS RIGHT.

I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING, WHY WOULDN'T HE HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF HIM? THIS IS ONE OF THE POOREST PRESENTATIONS I'VE SEEN. I'M GLAD THAT GIAMACO HAD THE RIGHT FIGURES AND HE HAD NOTES HE COULD LOOK UP AND GIVE A CORRECT ANSWER TO. IT GETS OLD.

IT GETS OLD. I TELL YOU SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING THE AGENDAS TOGETHER NOW.

WHEN WE HAVE A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR THAT USED TO WORK IN THE CLERK OF COURT'S OFFICE, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE GETTING THIS STUFF CORRECT. I WANT TO GO TO ONE LAST THING ON THIS ITEM. I WANT TO REMIND YOU COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY BIG ON PRAYER AND EVERYTHING. BUT EVERYONE WHO HEARS THESE WORDS AND DOES NOT PUT THEM INTO PRACTICE IS LIKE A FOOLISH MAN WHO BUILT HIS HOUSE ON SAND. COMMISSIONERS, IT DOESN'T TAKE A GENIUS TO REALIZE SUMMER HAVEN IT WAS BUILT IN ONE OF THE WORST PLACES EVER. I HEAR THEM SAYING WE CAN'T GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THIS AND THAT.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE BUYING HOUSES IN SUMMER ISLAND -- SNAKE ISLAND? IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE BUYING THOSE PEOPLE OUT THAT MADE THE FOOLISH MISTAKE TO BUILD THERE? I WANT TO LAY ONE THING TO YOU COMMISSIONERS AND I'M DONE.

I MOVED INTO A GROUND FLOOR APPOINTMENT.

THERE'S PEOPLE UPSTAIRS ABOVE ME.

IF I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR WALKING I WOULDN'T HAVE MOVED INTO A GROUND FLOOR APARTMENT. I GUARANTEE YOU THOSE PEOPLE IN SUMMER HAVEN ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN ME.

WHY WOULD THEY BUY DOWN THERE? WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS? WHY WOULD THE COUNTY WANT TO BAIL THEM OUT? CAN'T -- WE'VE GOT A ROAD OVER HERE THAT'S -- ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. WE'VE GOT NO NEW BASKETBALL COURTS. I HEAR ABOUT TALKS ABOUT BAILING PEOPLE OUT IN SUMMER HAVEN. I WANT TO REMIND YOU ALSO -- SEWER SYSTEM IN WEST ST. AUGUSTINE FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

COMMISSIONERS I WOULDN'T DO A THING FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, TOM.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER, APPARENTLY.

GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> HI THERE, YEAH, I'M SORRY. I'M IN REMOTELY SO I'M STILL HEARING THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. THIS IS ADAM SHUTTERS, I OWN 93 9345 OLD A1A. WE'RE THE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT OF THE LAST POWER POLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LEVEL OF EROSION ON MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES, THE THREE HOUSES TO THE NORTH OF MINE ARE UNUSABLE, NO POWER AND THEY'RE DERELICT BUILDINGS AT THIS POINT. THE THIRD HOUSE TO THE NORTH, THE FOUNDATION IS COMPLETELY ERODED AND NOW IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD. CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING ABANDONED BY THE COUNTY AS PROPERTY OWNERS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE HAD SKID STEERS OUT THERE PILING UP SAND AS NEEDED. I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND HOW FLAGLER COUNTY CAN HAVE A NICE ROLE ON A1A SEAWARD OF WHERE THEIR HOUSES ARE AND WE CAN'T EVEN SEEM TO PILE UP SAND EFFECTIVELY. VERY DISHEARTENING.

MY WIFE AND I LIVE IN THE NORTH PART OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE TWO YEARS AGO AND WERE PLANNING TO MOVE OUR FAMILY DOWN THERE R. WE .A NEIGHBOR HAD A FAMILY MEMBER WITH A SERIOUS MEDICAL EMERGENCY, IT TOOK OVER 30 MINUTES TO GET MEDICAL ASSISTANCE TO THAT INDIVIDUAL AND THAT PERSON ENDED UP DYING. I CAN'T BELIEVE TWO YEARS LATER WE DON'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF A SOLUTION OTHER THAN TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR OVER MILLION DOLLARS TO REPILE UP SAND AND PLANT DUNE GRASS.

IT SEEMS EXCESSIVE. I MYSELF HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS CHILD. THIS IS PREVENTING US FROM LIVING HERE. AND THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD IS UNACCEPTABLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONS HAVE BEEN OUT TO ACTUALLY SEE IT THEMSELVES, THEREFORE RELYING ON DRONE FOOTAGE. I WILL VOLUNTEER MY TIME, ADDRESS AND VEHICLE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE THE ROAD EITHER AT HIGH OR LOW TIDE.

WHERE IT'S AT NOW I DON'T BELIEVE THE PRESENTATION AS GIVEN IS RELAYING THE URGENCY OF THE DANGEROUS STRUCTURES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER MY WIFE'S E-MAILS AND QUESTIONS THOROUGHLY. WE APPRECIATED THAT.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I THINK THAT COMPLETES THE CALL INS. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO AUDIENCE

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ITEM ONE, PUBLIC COMMENT GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR.

WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

LOOKING AT THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE STAFF IS SEEKING SOME DIRECTION

FROM THE BOARD, IS THAT CORRECT? >> MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS WAS A PRESENTATION BROUGHT AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD BEFORE SO THIS WAS BACKGROUND INFORMATION AS WELL AS ALTERNATIVES THAT HAVE BEEN SOUGHT AND ARE BEING SOUGHT AT THIS POINT. IT WOULD BE BACK TO THE COMMISSION WHETHER TO PROVIDE DIRECTION OR TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> CAN WE PUT IT ON A REGULAR SCHEDULE OF GRADING UNTIL THE

DUNE PROJECT IS DONE? >> YES, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INSPECTING IT AND TAKING APPROPRIATE ACTIONS.

>> BIMONTHLY SNE. >> IT'S A FLUID LANDSCAPE.

I CAN'T SAY WE'LL DO IT EVERY TWO WEEKS BECAUSE IT CHANGES QUITE OFTEN. WE'LL KEEP UP WITH IT AND

ADDRESS IT AS NECESSARY. >> KAIMPLEOKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, WE'RE GOING TO GO

TO COMMISSIONER SMITH NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. MCCORMACK.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETTLEMENT

AGREEMENT? >> IT'S MY OPINION THAT THE COUNTY IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S IT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> DURING THE BRIEFING WE DISCUSSED THAT THIS COMAINT HASY HAS BEEN PAYING INTO AN MSTU.

DO WE KNOW WHAT THE BALANCE IN THAT FUND IS AT THE MOMENT?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

IF YOU RECALL I BELIEVE I SAW IT THIS WEEK, MR. DUNN SENT AN E-MAIL TO EVERYONE. AND MR. CHATIA SCHROEDER.

>> IT'S ABOUT $300,000. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I GUESS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO IS MAKE SURE THIS COMMUNITY IS GETTING THEIR VALUE OUT OF THE MONEY THEY'VE PAID INTO.

THIS IS FUNDS THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO PAY INTO WITH THE HOPES OF MAINTAINING THE ROADS AND NOURISHING THEIR BEACH.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMUNITY GET THEIR $300,000 WORTH OUT OF

THAT MSTU FUND. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, DID YOU

HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO.

WELL, I DO. I WAS GOING TO CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I THINK WE HAD THE SAME QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THAT JESSIE PROVIDED US WITH AN OUTLINE OF EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. I ALSO THINK THAT THEY'VE PUT IN ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE MSTU AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY UTILIZED FOR THE BENEFIT FOR WHICH IT WAS SET APART. THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT GRADING.

I THINK TE IT SHOULD BE DONE TOE AND UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS.

HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PER ANNUM, IS ABOUT $70,000 COMING INTO THAT FUND, IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SCHROEDER? AT ONE TIME IT WAS A LOT HIGHER. I LOOKED BACK MANY YEARS AGO, I THINK THE VALUES HAVE DIMINISHED.

SOMEWHERE IN EXCESS OF $120,000 A YEAR.

I DON'T HAVE IT BEFORE ME. I WAS GOING TO HAVE IT PRINTED

OFF THIS MORNING. >> CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?

>> WHAT'S THE PER ANNUM CONTRIBUTION FOR THE MSTU AT

THIS POINT? >> I BELIEVE IT'S -- OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I WANT TO SAY LESS THAN $200,000 A YEAR.

>> MUCH HIGHER THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? >> TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER SMITH I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THE E-MAIL I REFERENCED TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE REVENUE LAST YEAR FROM THE TAXES THAT WERE GENERATED WAS 7,028 #.

IN '18 AND '19 IT DROPPED INTO THE $50,000 PARK PER ANNUM AND .

>> PREVIOUS TO THAT IT WASN'T MUCH GREATER THAN, IT WAS

SOMEWHERE AROUND THE $120,000. >> THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER SMITH. I'M LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AS FAR BACK AS 2008 WHICH WAS THE HIGHEST I BELIEVE

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THE NEXT YEAR, $120,000 AND IT BEGAN TO QUICKLY DECLINE EVERY

YEAR SINCE. >> I CONCUR WITH COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT SHOULD BE USED AND IT SHOULD BE PUT ON A SYSTEMATIC APPROACH TO GRADING. EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FLUID ENVIRONMENT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH SAND AND CHANGING ENVIRONMENTS, ESPECIALLY WITH TREMENOUS AMOUNT OF EXPOSURE AND VOLATILITY THAT'S THERE, I THINK SOME KIND OF PROTECTIVE MEASURE IN REGARD TO THE DUNE STRUCTURE WOULD BE HELPFUL AND THEN PROCEEDING FROM THERE TO SEE IF THERE'S A VIABLE ROAD SOURCE THAT COULD BE HANDLEDDED AND BE HANDLED AND BE OFBENEFIT. IT'S ONE STEP AT A TIME AND I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE THE FEMA PROJECT COMPLETE IN ORDER TO HAVE SOME STABILIZATION FOR THAT ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING, ANYWAY.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO DO SO AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED

FROM THERE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONS.

FOLLOWING UP, I THINK WE'VE HEARD A COUPLE THINGS.

COMMISSIONER SMITH BROUGHT UP LOOKING INTO PROJECTIVE MEASURES AS WELL. COMMISSIONER WALDRON BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY THE GRADING ON A REGULAR BASIS BEING SYSTEMATIC.

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE $300,000, HOW THAT'S BEING UTILIZED.

COMMISSIONER DEAN BROUGHT UP A QUESTION ABOUT MOVING THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE ROADWAY TO THE WEST.

I UNDERSTAND THERE COULD BE SOME POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL AND COST CHALLENGES. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IF THERE'S MORE CONSENSUS -- I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND SPENT TIME AT LEAST ONE RESIDENCE OBSERVING IT. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THIS PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND I'D LIKE OUR STAFF TO COME BACK AND TRY TO ANSWER MORE OF THESE QUESTIONS TO MAP OUT A PATH FORWARD. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE STRUCTURE OF THE FEMA PROJECT.

BUT IS THERE MORE CONSENSUS OF PUTTING THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM SO WE CAN HAVE MORE OF THESE QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN MORE

DETAIL? >> I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE TO HAVE ONE THING AT A TIME. IT'S NEEDFUL TO HAVE THE DUNE STRUCTURE IN BEFORE WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF IT DOES STABILIZE THAT ENVIRONMENT SOME. I DON'T MIND HAVING IT IN THE FUTURE BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AFTER THAT'S COMPLETE.

>> UNDERSTOOD. COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> BASICALLY SAME THING. AGREE THAT WAIT TILL AFTER THE DUNE STRUCTURE IS DONE SO WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO

STABILIZE THE ROADWAY. >> IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, IT WOULD BE AFTER THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR.

>> YES, SIR, MR. CHAIR. JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THEZ THOSE COMMENTS, WE'LL GET THE DUNE STRUCTURE IN PLACE SO YOU'LL AWARE THAT MSTU WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THAT 12.5% MATCH AND THE FUNDS WILL GO TOWARDS PUTTING THAT DUNE STRUCTURE IN PLACE.

I'LL WORK WITH STAFF, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHETHER THERE'S CONSENSUS OR NOT, TO GET OUT THERE ON A MONTHLY BASIS WHETHER WE CAN GRADE OR NOT. WE CAN AT LEAST BE GOING OUT THERE OFTEN ON A PROACTIVE BASIS UNTIL WE GET THE DUNE STRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND THEN SEEING WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE COMING MONTHS IN THE FALL WITH THAT VEGETATIVE DUNE IN PLACE. ONCE THAT CO OCCURS, WE CAN BRIG THAT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A FUTURE BOARD ACTION ITEM.

>> WE'LL SEE ABOUT PUTTING THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA IN THE FALL.

IS THERE CONSENSUS ON THAT? FUTURE AGENDA ITEM IN THE FALL.

[2. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-17 Ravenswood Subdivision.]

BOARD CONSENSUS, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO BACK TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM 2.

WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR EX PARTE DISCLOSURES.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ON DECEMBER 14TH, 11:30 A.M. I MET WITH BOB QUARTER AND ERIC ALMOND FROM D.R. HORTON. THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AFTER ITS LACK OF A SECOND.

WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE 75 -- THE WETLANDS PRESERVATION THERE.

WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC. THE STUDY THAT THEY WERE HAVING DONE AND SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY NOW.

DISCUSSED PRICE POINTS, $210,000 MORE OR LESS FOR 40% OF THAT, WHICH WAS CONSTRUCTED. ALSO DISC DISCUSSED CRAWFORD VIE AND ITS DENSITY. WHAT THE CURRENT DESIGNATION FOR THAT PROPERTY WAS AND ITS ENTITLEMENT UNDER RESIDENTIAL C.

THE ENTITLEMENT THAT APPROVED PREVIOUSLY OF 126 UNITS.

ALSO DISCUSSED ADDING OF THE 12 ACRES AND THEN ADDITIONAL DENSITY, WHICH EQUATED TO 322 DWELLING UNITS.

ALSO, HIS REQUEST TO REHEAR -- MOTION TO REHEAR THIS ITEM.

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WE JUST SPOKE ON THE PHONE. HIS PLEA WAS THAT HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS PROJECT PROPOSAL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OLD ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD. HE CERTAINLY AGREED THE 1 126 DWELLING UNITS PREVIOUS WAS ACCEPTABLE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. WE'LL GO TO VICE CHAIR DEAN.

>> YES, ON DECEMBER 14TH I HAD A MEETING AT 10:00 WITH BOB PORTER AND DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. WE WENT THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSAL. THIS MORNING I HAD AN E-MAIL FROM A MS. BATINA, IF I HAVE THAT RIGHT, OBJECTING TO THE PROJECT RAISING ISSUES OF BOTH TRAFFIC AND FLOODING.

WHICH WERE DISCUSSED AT THE PREVIOUS TIME WE HAD THIS AGENDA ITEM UP FOR CONSIDERATION. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST NEXT. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ON DECEMBER 16TH AT 2:30 I MET WITH BOB PORTER AND ERIC ALMOND.

WE DISCUSSED MANY OF THE ISSUES THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSES, WETLAND IMPACT, THE GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION WITHIN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. WHY MR. PORTER THINKS THIS IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

I READ THE E-MAIL FROM MS. TETTER AND THAT'S ALL I

HAVE. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >> YEAH, I HAD A MEETING ON DECEMBER 14TH AT 11:00 A.M. WITH ERIC ALMOND AND BOB PORTER.

WE DISCUSSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THIS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT UP.

DISCUSSED TRAFFIC ISSUES. I HAD -- OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD BESIDE IT THAT PROBABLY COULD NOT HANDLE THE TRAFFIC AT THIS TIME. AND JUST SPOKE WITH -- YOU KNOW, THEY KNEW FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING WHAT MY CONCERNS WERE.

WE DISCUSSED THOSE CONCERNS AGAIN.

ON -- TRYING TO DO THESE IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.

JANUARY 9TH I SPOKE TO BUTCH FRAWLY ABOUT TRAFFIC CONCERNS IN THE ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH HE LIVES AND THE DENSITY IN THE PROJECT. IN JANUARY I SPOKE TO MS. TEDDER, COULD BE THE SAME ONE HERE, I DON'T KNOW HER FIRST NAME. I ALWAY CALLED HER MS. TEDDER.

SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT FLOODING AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC INCREASE, ESPECIALLY AROUND CRUICKSHANK SCHOOL WHEN IT'S IN SESSION. YOU KNOW, LETTING OUT AND TAKING ON STUDENTS. I SPOKE YESTERDAY WITH JOHN GEORGE, WHO LIVES ON RAVENSWOOD DRIVE ABOUT THE INCREASED DENSITY OF THE PROJECT. HE'S WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW ON RAVENSWOOD AND THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH -- YESTERDAY WITH DARREN VOORHIES ON A DENSITY INCREASE, TRAFFIC, FLOODING CONCERNS AND ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALSO HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MELISSA CARRAWAY ABOUT THE CONCERNS SHE HAD WITH THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

I HAD A MEETING ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 14TH AT APPROXIMATELY 10:30 A.M. I DISCUSSED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECT OF THIS WITH MR. BOB PORTER AND MR. ERIC ALMOND. WE DISCUSSED THE DENSITY INCREASES, TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THE MITIGATION THAT WAS BEING CONSIDERED AND ALSO SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

I HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF E-MAILS FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS THAT HAVE RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT THE DENSITY INCREASES, TRAFFIC CONCERNS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AS WELL.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR EX PARTE. MR. PORTER, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, BOB PORTER, 4220 RACETRACK ROAD.

WE ALL KNOW WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING.

WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WE WORKED A LONG TIME TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION. I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR TEACHERS, THE FOLKS, A LOT OF WHOM ARE PRICED OUT OF HOMES IN OUR COUNTY.

WE WORKED A LONG TIME ON THIS. I'VE GOT A COUPLE SLIDES WE'LL SHOW YOU TO TRY AND EXPLAIN THE PROJECT A LITTLE BIT.

FIRST IS OUR SITE PLAN. WE HAVE A MIX OF S SINGLE FAMILY AND TOWNHOMES PROPOSED. TO THE EAST WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IT'S 65 ACRES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 190 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ABOUT 130 TOWNHOMES THAT WILL ALL BE SOLD TO OWNER OCCUPANTS IN AT INITIAL

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BASICALLY THERE ARE 11.5 ACRES OF WETLANDS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACTING LESS THAN THREE.

YOU'LL SEE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE SPOTS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET ROADS THROUGH, SOME ISOLATED IMPACTS.

WE WOULD BE SAVING 76% OF THE EXISTING WETLANDS IN CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SO THEY'LL BE THERE FOREVER.

THE EXISTING PUD SAVES ABOUT 70%.

WE'RE DOING BETTER ON THE WETLANDS THAN THE OLD ONE.

THE NEXT ONE SHOWS THE WETLANDS THAT WILL REMAIN.

AT THE PGA MEETING, THE BLACKSHEERS CAME TO SEE US, WONDERING WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

THEY ACTUALLY ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROJECT.

THEY'VE GOT 150 OR SO FOOT OF WETLANDS THAT WILL BE PRESERVED.

THEY'RE PRETTY WELL ISOLATD FROM IT.

STHE LAND USE, WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT IS WRONG.

OUR PROJECT IS OUTLINED THERE P.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS KEEPING -- NEXT IS A FLOOD ZONE MAP.

THIS KIND SH SHOWS WHERE IT IS N RELATION TO THE OTHER STUFF.

WE'RE IN AN AREA THAT IS ON THE COMP PLAN FOR PRETTY HIGH DENSITY. WE FIT THAT.

NEXT IS THE FLOOD ZONE. WE'RE IN FLOOD ZONE X.

I THINK EVERYBODY KNOW POZ IN S ANYPIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN A D ZONE. FLOOD ZONE X MEANS IT'S NOT IN THE AREA OF 100 YEAR FLOODING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE KNOW THERE'S A CONCERN WITH FLOODING NEARBY.

WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO, THE STANDARD FOR DISCHARGING STORM WATER FROM A SITE UNDER THE WATER MANAGEMENT RULES IS THAT YOU CANNOT DISCHARGE AT A HIGHER RATE AFTER DEVELOPMENT THAN YOU DO BEFORE DEVELOPMENT. THE WAY THEY TALK ABOUT THAT IS YOUR POST DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE CAN'T EXCEED YOUR PREDEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE. WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE DISCHARGE TO 80% OF THE PREDEVELOPMENT.

THTITHERE SHOULD BE LESS WATER LEAVING THE SITE AFTER WE DEVELOP IT. TO BE SURE THAT IF THERE'S A FLOODING PROBLEM NEARBY WE'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO IT.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS STUFF THAT ARE IN THE AREA.

WE'RE CLOSE TO EVERYTHING. WE'RE ABOUT LESS THAN THREE MILES FROM WHERE WE'RE STANDING RIGHT NOW.

LESS THAN TWO MILES TO SCHOOLS. PARALPUBLIX IS WITHIN TWO MILES.

ALL THE SERVICE JOBS DOWNTOWN ARE CLOSE TO US.

RIGHT NOW, WHEN I MET WITH STAFF THE OTHER DAY THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NURSES FROM FLAGLER HOSPITAL POURING DOWN U.S. 1 BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN PALM COAST. THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.

WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE.

ARE WE ADDING TRAFFIC? WE'LL BE ADDING SOME TRAFFIC, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT INSTEAD OF DRIVING 15 MILES TO FLAGLER COUNTY OR 20 MAILS TO CROSS THE RIVER AND GET TO CLAY OR TO GET TO DUVAL, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING HERE CAN LIVE HERE NOW. SO THERE WAS A QUESTION WE'LL BE ENCOURAGING FOLKS FROM DUVAL OR ANOTHER COUNTY TO MOVE HERE.

THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS IF THEY COULD AND CAN'T AFFORD IT, WE'VE ALL SEEN A LOT OF FOLKS WHO JUST THIS GIVES THEM THE CHANCE. AS FOR TRAFFIC, WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR TRAFFIC STUDY. THE ONLY FAILING LINK THAT IT SHOWS IS STATE ROAD 16 OUT BY THE INTERSTATE BETWEEN INMAN ROAD AND THE INTERSTATE. THE INTERCHANGE IS GOING TO BE WORKED ON BY FDOT THIS YEAR. THEY'RE GOING TO FIX THAT BY 2024. AND THAT LINK FAILS WITH OR WITHOUT OUR PROJECT TRAFFIC. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY CAUSING FAILING LINKS. WE MET WITH STAFF LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO IMPROVE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC. AT THE VERY LEAST WE'LL RESURFACE AND ADD A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE.

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ADDING A SIDEWALK THIS CLOSE TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS I THINK A BIG SAFETY IMPROVEMENT OVER NOT HAVING ONE THERE NOW.

ALSO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT GOES WITH THE ELEMENTARY. NOW EVERYBODY HAS TO GO DOWN MASTERS TO GET TO CROOKSHANK, TO GET TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

WE WILL HAVE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM OUR STREET TO THE SCHOOL AND IT IS WAY CLOSER. I MEAN, YOU'RE WITHIN 100 YARDS.

WE'LL DO AT LEAST AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK, BIKE TRAIL KIND OF THING. NARROW ENOUGH CARS CAN'T DRIVE DOWN IT, BUT WIDE ENOUGH THAT IT'S EASY FOR THE KIDS TO GET THERE. SO THE PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF FOR SCHOOL, THERE WILL BE A CLOSER SPOT TO DROP THEM OFF AFTER THIS THAN THERE IS TODAY.

I KEEP HEARING THE WORRY ABOUT DENSITY.

OUR COMP PLAN ENCOURAGES AN EFFICIENT AND COMPACT LAND USE PATTERN. WHAT THAT MEANS IS DENSITY.

IF WE GO BUILD THE SAME PROJECT IN A TYPICAL AREA, WE'LL END UP HAVING TO CLEAR AND FILL AN EXTRA 100 ACRES.

BY CONTRA CONCENTRATING THE STUN APPROPRIATE AREA I THINK WE'RE PROTECTING UPLANDS AND WETLANDS. WE DID GET UNANIMOUS APPROVAL FROM PZA. I THINK THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THIS IS A GREAT SITE FOR THE AFFORDABLE.

TO ME, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND A BETTER SITE. IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD.

MR. DEAN. >> BMR. PORTER, FIRST I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I THINK YOU KEEP UP WITH IT PRETTY WELL BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND DISCUSSIONS. IT'S ALMOST COUNTERINTUITIVE TO ME BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVEN UNDER COVID-19 THIS COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED NOT ONLY RAPID GROWTH IN THE LAST YEAR IN HOME SALES, BUT THE MEDIAN PRICE OF HOMES CONTINUES TO GO UP.

I DON'T HAVE THE CURRENT FIGURE AND I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT.

I THINK IT'S GONE UP IN THE LAST YEAR, WHAT I WOULD ALMOST CALL SIGNIFICANTLY. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO AS THE MEDIAN PRICE OF HOMES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY?

>> TODAY, TO QUALITY -- 210 WOULD QUALITY AS VERY LOW INCOME FOR A FAMILY OF ONE OR TWO WITH TODAY'S MORTGAGE RATES.

YOU'RE RIGHT, PRICES HAVE GONE UP.

THEY'RE GOING UP LARGELY IN RESPONSE TO COST INCREASES.

OUR AVERAGE HOME TODAY COSTS US $10,000 MORE TO BUILD THAN IT DID SIX MONTHS AGO WITH LUMBER PRICES GOING UP AND SHORTAGES OF MATERIALS, THAT KIND OF THING. THE $210,000 IS GETTING HARDER.

IF WE DON'T DO IT SOON, WE MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO.

>> THIS MORNING, YOU'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY AWARE OF THE CURRENT MEDIAN PRICE OF HOMES SELLING IN THE COUNTY THIS

MONTH, ARE YOU? >> I'M NOT, SIR.

>> I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT KNOW. I CONTINUE -- I DON'T HAVE IF WE HAVE A STAFF PERSON THAT COULD RESEARCH THAT.

I THINK IT'S GONE UP SIGNIFICANTLY.

I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM THAT IF POSSIBLE, IF ANYONE ON THE STAFF CAN ADDRESS THAT. CAN YOU JUST TAKE A MINUTE OR LESS AND HIGHLIGHT WHAT CHANGES YOU'RE MAKING TO THE ENGINEERING DESIGN THAT'S LEADING TO AN 80% DISCHARGE POST DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO PREDEVELOPMENT. YOU SAID YOU'RE REDUCING YOUR POST DEVELOPMENT DISCHARGE TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY -- WHAT IT WOULD 80% OF CURRENT DISCHARGES. ARE YOU INCREASING RETENTION PONDS OR HOLDING BACK -- CREATING MORE BUFFERS?

>> ESSENTIALLY, IT IS ALL IN THE RETENTION PONDS.

THE RETENTION PONDS WILL HAVE MORE STORAGE IN THEM.

THEY WILL BE BIGGER, THEY'LL BE MORE CAPACITY TO STORE WATER IN THE PONDS. SO THAT WHEN IT RAINS, WE CAN HOLD IT ON SITE FOR A FEW DAYS BEFORE IT HAS TO RUN OFF.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANYTHING FURTHER? MR. WALDRON? MR. SMITH? OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD THEN WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> DO YOU WANT TO GO PUBLIC

COMMENT FIRST OR SECOND? >> LET'S GO INTO A MOTION, SEE

IF THERE'S A MOTION. >> I HAVE A MOTION.

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>> 5. >> TO APPROVE THE REZONING 2020-17, RAVENSWOOD SUBDIVISION BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT

AS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> CAN WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER DEAN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. SO AT THIS TIME, LET'S OPEN IT

UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2, THE RAVENSWOOD SUBDIVISION.

WE HAVE CALLS WAITING. IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, THREE MINUTES.

GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE HOLDING ON THE PHONE, PLEASE.

>> OKAY, THIS IS CLAY TREADWAY. CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME?

>> YES. YES.

>> OKAY. STATE YOUI'M AT 499 VILLA LOT BE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON THE WESTERN PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.

THE WHOLE DRAINAGE FROM OUR AREA HAS BEEN CLOGGED UP ON THE WESTERN PERIMETER FROM PRIOR EARTHWORKS ON THIS PROPERTY.

MAYBE A DECADE AGO THEY WERE CLEARING LAND AND THEY PUSHED TREE AND DIRT INTO SOME OF THE EXISTING DRAINAGE DITCHES.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO HAVE THOSE CLEANED UP AND PULLED OUT SO THAT WATER CAN DRAIN.

WE SHARE A BORDER WITH THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN THE WESTERN SIDE DOWN TO THAT NORTHWEST WETLAND WHERE IT TURNS AND THE DITCH GOES BACK DOWN. THAT WHOLE AREA HAS BEEN CLOGGED AND IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF WATER BACKUP ONTO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT SHARE THAT WESTERN BORDER. JUST DIDN'T KNOW FOR FUTURE EARTHWORKS IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING TO CORRECT THAT.

THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. THE OTHER IS ALONG THAT WESTERN BORDER WITH THE OTHER LANDOWNERS ALONG THAT SIDE, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANY FENCING, PRIVACY FENCING.

WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH TRESPASSING, PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH FROM RAVENSWOOD ALL THE WAY OVER TO CROOKSHANK CIRCLE.

THEY USE THE PROPERTIES THERE AS A SHORTCUT DOWN THAT -- YOU KNOW, WHERE THE TELEPHONE LINES RUN THROUGH.

THAT WHOLE AREA GETS SWAMPED AND THAT'S A DEEDED EASEMENT FOR SMOISOME OF US THAT COMES THROU. SINCE THE DITCHES HAVE BEEN CLOGGED WATER IS SUCH A PROBLEM. CAN SOMETHING BE DONE PRIOR TO

ANY MORE TO CORRECT THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER CALL HOLDING.

GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE ON THE PHONE. >> TOM REYNOLDS.

ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. I ASKED THE COMMISSIONERS TO VOTE NO. WHY I ASK THIS? I WANT TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE 75,000 MILES DRIVING IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS. I'VE BEEN IN EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTY.

I'VE BEEN OUT TO THE RIVER. I'VE BEEN -- I'M NOT EVEN NEAR AS SMART AS ANY OF YOU. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. WHEN I HEAR THIS -- FIRST OFF, WORKFORCE HOUSES. I HATE THE NAME WORKFORCE HOUSING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BECAUSE WHAT ABOUT A SENIOR CITIZEN THAT'S RETIRED? THEY DON'T HAVE A JOB, THEY CAN'T GET IN THIS PLACE?% I MEAN, COME ON. LET'S GET THE CORRECT LANGUAGE.

I'M TIRED OF PHONY NAMES. COMMISSIONERS, WHEN I'M LOOKING -- BY THE WAY, I GOT A COMPLIMENT, THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAD THE BACKUP CORRECT IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

I GOT TO TELL YOU, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I DON'T LIKE HOUSES WITH POSTAGE STAMP SIZED YARDS.

PEOPLE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THEY DESERVE A BACKYARD.

THEY DESERVE A LITTLE NICE FRONTYARD.

BUT THEY DEFINITELY DESERVE A BACKYARD TO SIT IN, TO THROW A BALL WITH THEIR CHILD, TO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE OVER.

NOT THESE POSTAGE STAMP YARDS I SEE.

THEY DISGUST ME. I WONDER WHY PEOPLE MOVE INTO THESE HOUSES. I'D RATHER LIVE IN AN APARTMENT AND GO TO THE BEACH. ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, VOTE NO.

THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS. SEND IT BACK.

NO HOME SHOULD BE ON THE LESS THAN A QUARTER ACRE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE 124 MULTIFAMILY HOMES EVEN FIT IN THIS PROJECT. AND THE TRAFFIC, THE DRAINAGE, EVERYWHERE I GO IN THIS COUNTY -- YOU KNOW, I DREAD WORKING RAINY NIGHTS BECAUSE EVERYWHERE I GO I'M TELLING YOU

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SO I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, COMMISSIONERS, VOTE NO.

LET'S STOP CALLING THIS SILLY NAME, WORKFORCE HOUSING.

LET'S CALL IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEN IT OPENS IT UP TO ALL PEOPLE. SOMEBODY ON DISABILITY DESERVES THE RIGHT TO OWN A PLACE, TOO. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER HOLDING?

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS CASEY WELCH AT 983 CHAPIN STREET. I'M NOT SURE IF I'M LIVE AT THIS

POINT. >> YES, YOU'RE LIVE, GO AHEAD,

SIR. >> OKAY.

GREAT, THANK YOU. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE ST. AUGUSTINE RAVENSWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET ON THIS MATTER DUE TO COVID AND ALL THE ECONOMIC ISSUES. MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. BUT CONCERN HAS BEEN EXPRESSED BOTH IN MEETINGS FROM A YEAR AGO, AS WELL AS THROUGH E-MAILS, PHONE CALLS AND TEXTS TO ME. BY PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN THE AREA. PEOPLE WHO ARE BOTH IN THE COUNTY PART OF RAVENSWOOD AS WELL AS THE CITY PART OF RAVENSWOOD. THE CONCERNS RANGE FROM MOST THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. QUALITY OF LIFE, TRAFFIC, PROPERTY VALUES, PRESERVATION OF NATURAL LANDS AND SCHOOL SAFETY.

AND AFFECTING ALL OF THESE THE CONVERSATIONS OFTEN RETURN TO THE ROADWAYS. THE SPEAKER ADDRESSED TRAFFIC AND I'M GLAD IT CAME UP. I WANT TO POINT OUT ALL THE ROADS TO THE EAST, WEST AND SOUTH ARE SINGLE LANE ROADS.

THIS INCLUDES MASTERS DRIVE, VOLUSIA AND FOUR MILE, RAVENSWOOD AND THEN KING STREET FURTHER SOUTH.

SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS STRUGGLING WITH PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE SAFETY AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON IMPROVING THOSE WITH SO SIDEWALKS ALONG MASTERS DRIVE, FOR INSTANCE.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT -- I RECOGNIZE -- I WORK IN THIS AREA -- RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLEX AND PLANNING AND ZONING HAS ALREADY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WE ARE REQUESTING THAT EVEN THOAT THOUGH PLANNING AND ZONINS APREAPPROVED IT, WE'RE ASKING TE COUNCIL DELAY THE VOTE TO ALLOW FOR MORE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND INPUT OR AT LEAST REDUCE THE SCOPE AND THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW FOR DEVELOPMENT, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT BETTER INTEGRATES INTO EXISTING COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THAT APPEARS TO BE THE LAST CALL IN. IS THERE ANYTHING ANYTHINGS -- FURTHERPUBLIC COMMENT FROM E AUDIENCE? PLEASE COME AND ADDRESS THE PODIUM.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS TONY DEWIT. I LIVE AT 1431 NORTH WHITNEY STREET. I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE RAVENSWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS NEW -- THIS MEETING TODAY ON THIS TOPIC.

YFTI WAS KEEPING TRACK OF IT BEE BUT COVID AND MANY OTHER THINGS BROUGHT ME OUT OF THE LOOP. I'M HERE TODAY AND -- FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PEOPLE LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.

I ADDED THIS TO MY NOTES IN TALKING ABOUT FUTURE.

WE LIVE THERE NOW. WE'VE BEEN LIVING THERE.

I AM HERE AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN AND LONGTIME PROPERTY OWNER IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE.

I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE RAVENSWOOD VILLAGE PUD TO A WORKFORCE DESIGNATION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

THE REZONING WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AREA WITH LOSS OF NATURAL HAB HABITAT, VIBRATIONS, PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC AND PRODUCE SAFETY ISSUES AND POTENTIAL FLOODING OF SURROUNDING HOMES. REZONING AS REQUESTED WILL INCREASE VEH VEHICULAR DANGER. THE EXISTING SURFACE ROADS CANNOT SUPPORT THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED DENSITY.

THERE WAS NO PLANNING FOR THIS LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT HERE.

THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS OR EVEN EASEMENTS TO SUPPORT PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLES WHICH A WORKFORCE ZONING DESIGNATION WOULD NECESSITATE. THERE IS A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 800 CARS A DAY. REZONING TO WORKFORCE WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES AND THE DEED RESTRICTION SAIDS WOULD FURTHER ENCUMBER THE EXISTING AREA.

THIS ZONING REQUEST WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE ENVIRONMENT, AND THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, SIR, PLEASE -- IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WAITING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP IN A QUEUE LINE SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING. YES, SIR.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING.

I'M DARREN VOORHIES. 361 TYRANNA AVENUE.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SANTA ROSA.

IT'S ONE OF THE OILEDDEST OF THE OLDEST IN THECOUNTY.

JEB WALKED IT, I APPRECIATED THAT WHEN HE WAS RUNNING TO VOTE. PAUL, YOU'RE FROM HERE.

I DON'T KNOW THE REST OF YOU, BUT IT WAS -- JUST OLD NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S THAT LITTLE HEARTBEAT OF ST.

AUGUSTINE THAT'S STILL THE SAME OTHER THAN HEARING 16 AND U.S. 1 LIKE 95 NOW. IT'S JUST A NICE SANCTUARY WHERE IT HASN'T CHANGED LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE COUNTY.

AND THIS PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING SIX HOUSES ON ONE ACRE -- I MEAN, OUR LOTS ARE A THIRD OF AN ACRE AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS TIGHT. I THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT BUILT THERE THOUGHT THAT WAS TIGHT BECAUSE JUST ABOUT ALL THE HOUSES ARE ON TWO LOTS OR THREE LOTS.

IT'S ABOUT A HALF ACRE. THERE'S THREE HOUSES AN ACRE.

JUST TO PUT THAT MUCH IN ONE LITTLE AREA -- I KNOW THEY'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THEIR LAND AND Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GIVE THEM SOME LEEWAY ON THAT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

WE KEEP COMING BACK. USED TO BE SOME MORE PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD COME. THE CENSUS NOW IS THERE'S NO NEED, THEY'RE GOING TO BEAT YOU DOWN UNTIL THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT. AND I HOPE WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THAT AND KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD IT IS.

I'VE SEEN -- I WORK ALL OVER THIS COUNTY, TOO.

YOU SEE THESE PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

AND THE PARKING IS HORRENDOUS. I MEAN, THEY GET -- EACH UNIT WILL HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR CARS SOME OF THEM.

AND PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING TO PARK. AND IT'S JUST TOO TIGHT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT TO

SAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES, MA'AM? >> THANK YOU, WEST CITY OF ST.

AUGUSTINE. THE 129 BUILDINGS FOR QUOTE, WORKFORCE HOUSING, NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DO NOT HAVE TO REMAIN OWNER OCCUPIED. THAT'S IN YOUR BACKUP STUFF.

THEREFORE, THE WORKFORCE ZONING CLASSIFICATION WILL DISAPPEAR AND THE PRICE CAN INCREASE. SMALLER LOTS WIDTHS, SETBACKS AND LOT COVERAGE IS TOO DENSE A DEVELOPMENT.

322 BUILDINGS WITH VEHICLES WOULD DETRACT FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO CROOKSHANK ELEMENTARY.

CLARIFICATION ABOUT IMPACT ON WETLANDS STILL HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN, THIS STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN THINGS.

THERE ARE FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT TO DENY REZONED 2017-17, RAVENSWOOD SUBDIVISION. SINCE 2017, FEWER WORKERS EARN ENOUGH TO AFFORD A $210,000 HOME.

THE DEVELOPER CAN BUILD ACCORDING TO THE PUD HE HAS.

I'M GOING FOOREAD THE REASONS WHY THIS SHOULD BE DENIED.

2A. THE REZONING IS NOT COMPATIBLE AND COMPLEMENTARY TO ADJACENT LAND USES.

THE REZONING DOES NOT ENCOURAGE AN EFFICIENT AND COMPACT LAND USE PATTERN AND DOES NOT SUPPORT BALANCED DEVELOPMENT.

C, THE PROJECT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES OF THE 2025 ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NUMBER FIVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY THIS SHOULD BE DENIED. A LEGITIMATE PUBLIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE EXISTING ZONING IS THAT THE REZONING WILL PRODUCE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT UPON PROPERTY VALUES OF ADJACENT AND NEARBY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THE REZONING WILL DETRACT FROM THE CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS RESIDENTIAL OLD NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE SOME OF YOU EVEN CAME TO THIS COUNTY.

IT'S TOO DENSE, IT'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC.

YOU NEED TO START LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THESE THINGS. YOU DON'T LIVE IN THIS AREA.

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I THANK THEM FOR SENDING YOU E-MAILS.

AND I HOPE IT'S NOT A 3-2 VOTE. I DEFINITELY HOPE IT'S NOT A 5-0 VOTE. BRING THIS BACK.

IT WAS WRONG. PERIOD.

THIS SHOULD BE DENIED. THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THIS WORKFORCE IN THAT AREA. IT DOES NOT FIT.

IT WOULDN'T FIT IN NOCOTEE, IT WON'T FIT ON THE BEACH.

IT'S NOT GOING TO FIT OVER THERE.

MAKE A RIGHT DECISION THIS MORNING.

I CAN SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THE E-MAILS, EVEN THOUGH MR. BLOCKER DIDN'T READ OUT THE NAMES OF EVERYBODY.

THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? WAIT A MINUTE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2? SEEING NONE, OKAY. MR. PORTER, DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO ANY OF THOSE? YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE A RESPONSE BUT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. FIRST, ON THE FELLOW -- TO BE CHECKED ON MEDIAN PRICES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IN 2019 IT WAS IN THE 3 330S LAST YEAR IT GOT UP TO 352.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE DITCH HAVING BEEN BLOCKED ON THE WEST SIDE. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WE'RE DOING OUR WORK IF IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY.

CERTAINLY WE'LL FIX THAT. THE QUESTION ABOUT A FENCE, WE WILL PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE EVERYWHERE WE DON'T HAVE A BUFFER OF WETLANDS. THAT SHOULD HELP ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, I THINK. QUESTION ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND SCHOOL SAFETY. WE'RE GOING TO ADD A HALF A MILE OF SIDEWALK. WE'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'LL BE BASICALLY CONNECTING A SIDEWALK FROM STATE ROAD 16 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO RAVENSWOOD WITH A BIG PATH TO THE SCHOOL. SO IT IS GOING TO BE WAY SAFER FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL.

A LOT OF THEM WILL HAVE A MUCH MORE DIRECT ROUTE THAN THEY WOULD HAVE TODAY. WE HAD THE QUESTION OF PEOPLE DESERVING A YARD. PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'VE HAD WITH WORKFORCE HOUSING AND WITH THE RISING COST IS WE KEEP DECIDING WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE.

WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IS CLEAN, DECENT NEW HOMES IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WHERE THEY CAN BE CLOSE TO THEIR WORK.

IF THAT MEANS THEY HAVE A SMALLER YARD, THEY WON'T BUY IT IF THEY DON'T WANT THE SMALLER YARD.

WE SELL A LOT OF HOUSES WITH SMALLER YARDS.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE LIKE A HUGE YARD.

I MOVED TO A HOUSE WITH A SMALLER YARD BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH ANYMORE.

WE CAN'T SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WORKFORCE HOUSING AND DECIDE EVERYBODY HAS GOT TO HAVE A TAJ MAHAL.

THE TWO JUST DON'T GO TOGETHER. THE QUESTION REMAINS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE LADY WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

THE WAY IT IS SET UP IS THAT IT IS THE INITIAL BUYER HAS TO BE AN OWNER OCCUPANT AND IT HAS TO BE A 210 OR LESS.

AFTER THAT, THAT RESTRICTION GOES AWAY.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT MOST OF US GREW UP THE WAY THAT PEOPLE BUILD WEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY IS YOU BUY A HOUSE.

IT MAY NOT BE THE BIG HOUSE YOU WISH YOU COULD GET.

YOU BUY A HOUSE YOU COULD AFFORD.

YOU MAKE PAYMENTS, SAVE EQUITY AND YOU SELL IT AND IT GIVES YOU THE DOWN PAYMENT FOR THE NEXT HOUSE.

IT HELPS YOU BUILD WEALTH. IF WE TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU CAN'T SELL IT AT MARKET, THEN WE'VE TAKEN THAT OPPORTUNITY AWAY FROM THEM. I KNOW THAT'S A BIG DISCUSSION IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TO ME, THAT IS IMPORTANT.

WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE NOT TODAY TO BUY THE HOUSE BUT WHEN THEY SELL THE HOUSE.

HELP THEM GET ON THE ROAD TO A BETTER LIFE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I COVERED EVERYTHING.

THOSE ARE THE ONES I MADE NOTES OF AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. PORTER? ANY COMMENT? OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. NOTHING FURTHER, PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 3-2. WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 3.

[4. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-08 Island Docs Moultrie Road.]

3 WAS HANDLED IN THE MEETING. THANK YOU.

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>> I HAVE NONE. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> MR. WHITEHURST? >> NONE.

>> MR. WALDRON? >> NONE.

>> I HAVE NONE AS WELL. OKAY, SIR.

COME ON. >> GOOD MORNING.

906 ANASTASIA BOULEVARD. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S ASSISTANCE AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

TO EXPAND ISLAND DOCTOR'S FACILITIES THERE.

PRETTY BASIC COMMERCIAL REZONING, NOT SURE IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS, I HAVE A STAFF REPORT.

I DIDN'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION PREPARED BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> OKAY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING FOR THE BOARD? OKAY.

LET'S GO INTO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, WE'LL NOW TAKE UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4. ISLAND DOCKS PROJECT.

I DON'T SEE ANY ONLINE COMMENTS. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ITEM 4? WE HAVE NO CALLS AND APPARENTLY

NO ONE FROM THE AUDIENCE. >> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. >> OH, ALL RIGHT.

A CALL JUST CAME IN. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? THIS IS ITEM 4.

>> READY? >> GO AHEAD.

ITEM 4, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST BASICALLY WHEN I LOOK AT THE BACKUP, I MEAN, THIS IS INCREDIBLY SIMPLE.

I CAN'T HELP BUT TO WONDER IF IT HAD BEEN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BECAUSE IT IS A SIMPLE ONE. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THE GUY WHO OWNS ISLAND DOCTORS BECAUSE HE REALLY IS ONE OF THEM TRUMPIAN CULT PEOPLE BUT I LIKE MATT SO PLEASE APPROVE IT.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT NOW COMPLETES

PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. >> GO AHEAD.

>> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021 --

>> 6. >> TO APPROVE REZONE 2020-08.

ISLAND DOCTORS OLD MOULTRIE BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF

FACT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

[5. Public Hearing * CDD AMD 2020-03 Six Mile Creek Community Development District.]

>> GO AHEAD. >> GOOD MORNING, PMY I MY NAME S HAVER. WE REPRESENT THE SIX MILE CREEK DEVELOPMENT WITH A PETITION TO AMEND ITS BACKGROUNDRIES. BOUND.

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, CDD WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED EXCEEDED 1,000 ACRES. AS A RESULT, THE ENTITY THAT ESTABLISHED THE CDD IS THE FLORIDA LAND AND WATER ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION, THE GOVERNOR AND HIS CABINET.

PART OF THE PROCESS OF BOTH ESTABLISHING AND AMENDING BOUNDARIES REQUIRES US TO COME BEFORE THE COUNTY AND FOR THE COUNTY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER IT WANTS TO HOLD AN OPTIONAL PUBLIC HEARING. THE COUNTY, WHILE IT CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS REGARDING THE DECISION, DOESN'T MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION ON WHAT WE'RE SEEKING TODAY.

THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO HOLD YOUR OPTIONAL PUBLIC HEARING. THE CDD BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WILL BE HOLDING A MANDATORY PUBLIC HEARING.

THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE NOTICED FOUR TIMES IN A NEWSPAPER AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUALLY.

THAT TRANSCRIPT OF THAT HEARING WILL BE PROVIDED, SO ANY COMMENTS THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE STATE.

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BUT WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED IT WAS SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED BECAUSE AT THE TIME THE DEVELOPER DID NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY. THE PRESENT DEVELOPER HAS PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY AND NOW WANTS TO DEVELOP IT IN THE SAME WAY IT'S DEVELOPING THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.

IT'S GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE CDD. THE LAND USE AND IT'S ALL WITHIN THE ALREADY APPROVED DRI. THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD GO WITHIN THAT SMALL PARCEL.

YOU'LL SEE IT'S STORMWATER ROADWAY, WATER AND SEWER.

AND JUST WHO IS INTENDED TO BE THE CONSTRUCTOR AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE INTENDED OWNER AND MAINTAINER OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS THE PROCESS I'VE EXPLAINED TO YOU ALREADY. I WON'T BELABOR IT.

THESE ARE THE CRITERIA THAT ULTIMATELY THE FLORIDA LAND AND WATER ADJUDICATORY COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER IN DETERMINING WHETHER THE BOUNDARIES SHOULD BE AMENDED OR NOT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE WITH YOU, ALTHOUGH ULTIMATELY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DECISION FOR THEM I'LL SKIP THROUGH IT BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

ULTIMATELY OUR REQUEST IS THAT WE FOREGO THE OPTIONAL PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO PREVENT ANY REDUNDANCY, ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE DISTRICT, ET CETERA. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ANY INPUT ON THE REQUEST. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD.

WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD?

>> I'LL MOVE IT, BUT DO YOU WANT TO DO A MOTION BEFORE PUBLIC

COMMENT, I'D BE GLAD TO DO SO. >> LET'S DO A MOTION BEFORE

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I MOVE TO FORFEIT AN OPTIONAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE BOUNDARY OF SIX MILE CDD TO ADD 6.80 ACRES OF LAND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOT MOTION AND A

>> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5? THE CDD WAIVING THE HEARING.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'RE WAITING TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY CALLS. I SEE NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. I'VE HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOICE VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SEAKD..

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> I'M A YES AS WELL, THAT PASSES 5-0.

WE'LL MOVE INTO AGENDA ITEM 6. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS,

[Items 6 - 10]

>> IF I MAY THROUGH THE CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AS YOUR FIRST SLIDES SHOW, YOU'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING REGULAR ITEM

6-10. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT ON EACH ONE, BUT SORT OF AS ONE PRESENTATION AND AT SOME POINT THE BOARD WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE GROUP OF THOSE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU. THE COMMERCE CENTER IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED OFF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY NEAR U.S. 1.

AND THE BUILDINGS COMBINED MAKE UP ABOUT 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE SPACE. THE FIRST REQUEST WE HAVE IS FOR IGWP1, LLC. IGP PROPOSED TO BUILD 14,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPECULATIVE SPACE OF OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL USE.

THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE IN DECEMBER 2021 AND

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THE PROJECT SCORED THREE POINTS UNDER THE SPECULATIVE SPACE CATEGORY UNDER THE COUNTY'S INCENTIVE PROGRAM BASED ON THE FACILITY SIZE AND THE FACILITY TYPE.

HERE IS AN OVERALL SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.

UNDER THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDAN ORDINANCE, THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR A GRANT OF 50% IMPACT FEES AND WATER SEWER FEES PAID, AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING.

THE ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $34,704 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23. INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE CALCULATED COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WHICH IS POSITIVE.

IF APPROVED STAFF WILL WORK TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

AS WITH ALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS, NO GRANT PAYMENTS WILL BE MADE UNTIL ALL PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE MET.

WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE PROJECT ON THE PHONE TODAY SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY CAN ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.

THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM

THE BOARD? >> I JUST HAVE THIS OUT OF CURIOSITY. PROBABLY NOT PERTINENT.

BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF THE PROJECT WE APPROVED LAST MONTH REGARDING THE GATLIN DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

IT MUST BE JUST TO THE EAST OF WEST -- ANYBODY -- I JUST -- DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME IF THEY DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD.

IT SEEMS TO BE SITTING ON THE SAME PARCEL WE APPROVED WITH GATLIN. JUST CURIOUS.

>> TALKING ABOUT THE ONE UP ON RACETRACK ROAD?

>> RACETARACETRACK, THANK YOU FR REMIND ING ME.

I'M THINKING RACETRACK. GOOD, NEVERMIND.

>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? JUST FOR CLARITY, MR. MCCORMACK, THESE MATTERS 6-10, YOUR BRIEFING CONTAINED 6-10? NO, THAT'S JUST FOR THE FIRST

ONE. >> WHAT WE CAN DO IS LET'S -- GO

AHEAD. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIR YOU CAN CERTAINLY HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND VOTE ON EACH ONE AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE OR YOU CAN HEAR THEM AGGREGATE, HOLD PUBLIC COMMENT AND VOTE ONE AT A TIME.

>> I RECOMMEND WE WE DO AGGREGA. I'D LIKE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ALL FIVE AND THEN HAVE A VOTE.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. >> SO THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE

OTHER ONES? >> PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT REQUEST IS FOR BASKETBALL PARK LLC. THEY PROPOSE TO BUILD A 28,000 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE SPACE FOR OFFICE AND INDUSTRIAL USE.

THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE IN DECEMBER 2021.

THE TOTAL ANTICIPATED INVESTMENT IS MORE THAN $3 MILLION.

THE PROJECT SCORED THREE POINTS UNDER THE SPECULATIVE SPACE CATEGORY OF THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM BASED ON FACILITY SIZE, TYPE AND AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR BEING IN A SERVICE AREA THAT'S DEEMED EFFICIENT IN A MAJORITY SCHOOL CAPACITY.

HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.

UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE ORDINANCE THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF 100% OF IMPACT FEES AND WATER/SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID. FOUR YEARS OF AD VALOREM TAXPAYERS PAID ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $125,151 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23.

INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS, AGAIN IS THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WHICH IS POSITIVE. AND WE WILL DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT IF APPROVED TO BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA. BRAD AND TOM ARE ON THE LINE FOR

ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON AGENDA ITEM 7? SEEING NONE, PLEASE CONTINUE.

>> NEXT IS SMART RECYCLING OF NORTH FLORIDA, PROPOSES TO BUILD A 15,170 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE SPACE FOR OFFICE AND DESCREAL IL

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BASED ON THE FACILITY'S SIZE, TYPE, OWNERSHIP TIMEFRAME AND ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR BEING IN A SERVICE AREA THAT IS DEEMED EFFICIENT IN A MAJORITY SCHOOL CAPACITY.

HERE'S A SITE PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT.

UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE ORDINANCE THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF 100% OF IMPACT FEES AND WATER/SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID. FOUR YEARS OF GENERAL COUNTY PORTION OF AD VALOREM TAXES PAID PAID.

THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $63,925 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23.

INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE CALCULATED COST BENEFIT

ANALYSIS, WHICH IS POSITIVE. >> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON AGENDA ITEM 8? OKAY. SEEING NONE.

GO ON. >> THE NEXT REQUEST IS FOR BTJ PROPERTY LLC, BTJ PROPERTY PROPOSES TO BUILD AN 18,000 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE SPACE FOR DES INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE U.

THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE IN DECEMBER 2021.

THE PROJECT SCORED THREE POINTS UNDER THE SPECULATIVE SPACE CATEGORY OF THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM BASED ON THE FACILITY SIDE AND THE FACILITY TYPE.

HERE IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.

UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF 50% OF IMPACT FEES AND WATER SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID.

TWO YEARS OF GENERAL COUNTY PORTION OF AD VALOREM TAXES PAID ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING.

THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $40,173 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23. INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE CALCULATED CO COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WHICH IS POSITIVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE WE'LL CONTINUE.

>> AND THE LAST REQUEST IS FOR DESINDUSTRIAL TRACTOR PARTS INC, THEY PROPOSE TO BUILD A 46,000 Q46,000SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FORS OPERATIONS THAT INCLUDE THE REPAIR AND SALE OF UNDERCARRIAGE PARTS FOR BULLDOZERS AND EXCAVATORS.

THEY PROPOSE TO BRING SIX NEW HIGH WAGE JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGE OF MORE THAN 125% OF OUR COUNTY'S AVERAGE ANNUAL WAGE. THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE IN DECEMBER 2021. INVESTMENT IS MORE THAN $4.7 MILLION. THE PROJECT SCORED FIVE POINTS UNDER THE NEW INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY OF THE COUNTY'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM BASED ON IT BEING A TARGET INDUSTRY, FACILITY SIZE, NEW EMPLOYMENT, AND WAGE RATE.

HERE'S A SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.

UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF 50% OF IMPACT FEES AND WATER SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID.

TWO YEARS OF AD VALOREM TAXES PAID.

AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $78,144 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR '23.

INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE CALCULATED COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS WHICH IS POSITIVE. AGAIN, I ME I WANTED TO REITERE CAN PLACE THESE GREE AGREEMENTSA FUTURE AGENDA IF APPROVED AND ALSO NO GRANT PAYMENTS ARE PAID UNTIL ALL PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE MET. BRAD AND TOM ARE ON THE LINE TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. SO WE CAN STREAMLINE THIS WITH SIX AGENDA ITEMS WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND HANDLE

THEM INDIVIDUALLY. >> OKAY, WE'LL HAVE NOW PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEMS 6-10. ECONOMIC INCENTIVE PACKAGES.

WE HAVE CALLS HOLDING, SO GO AHEAD IF YOU'RE CALLING IN,

PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS.

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EVERY SINGLE ONE IS AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO PASS? THIS IS CORPORATE WELFARE. VOTE NO.

THIS IS THE MOST -- WELFARE THERE IS.

I HEAR WHAT THESE COMPANIES ARE SPENDING.

LET'S TAKE NUMBER TEN, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TEN YOU'RE GOING TO CHEAT US OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. $78,144.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? THAT'S CHUMP CHANGE.

THEY'RE SPENDING $2.5 MILLION. DON'T THE PEOPLE WANT TO LOOK BACK SOME DAY AND SAY I BUILT THIS.

THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO SAY I BUILT THIS.

DID NOT BUILD IT WITHOUT COUNTY CORPORATE WELFARE.

SMART RECYCLING OF NORTH FLORIDA, COUNTY CORPORATE WELFARE RECIPIENT. BASEBALL PARK LLC, COUNTY CORPORATE WELFARE RECIPIENT. I DON'T EVEN KNOW.

IGPW1. ANOTHER COUNTY CORPORATE WELFARE. YOU KNOW COMMISSIONERS? VOTE FOR THIS AND YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF ANYTHING YOU WANT BUT DON'T EVER TRY TO CALL YOURSELVES A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE YOU'LL BE LYING. A REAL CONSERVATIVE DOESN'T VOTE FOR COUNTY CORPORATE WELFARE. I GOT TO TELL YOU I'M SAVING -- PUBLIC COMMENT -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN BLOCKER DOING THAT AND THEN DEAN AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, THE LAWYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY ARE CHEATIG THE PUBLIC.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU. VOTE NO IF YOU REALLY CONSIDER

YOURSELF A CONSERVATIVE. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE CALL, IS THERE A CALL IN? IS THERE A CALL IN? GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU'RE CALLING IN.

APPARENTLY IS -- IS THAT IT? OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE.

>> WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, 8 NEWSOME STREET.

I KNOW WE NEA NEED TO MOVE THIS ALONG.

BRAD AND THE OTHER PERSON COULDN'T SHOW UP? YOU KNOW, JUST TO SHOW UP FOR WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO FOR OUR COUNTY.

I UNDERSTAND WE DO GET UPSET, THE TAXPAYERS, THOSE OF US WHO BOTHER TO SHOW UP, BOTHER TO CALL IN.

NO ONE PAYS ATTENTION. BUT WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THIS, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIGH PAYING JOBS FOR ALL OF THIS UP THERE AT WORLD GOLF. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THEM. THEY CAN LIVE WHEREVER THEY WANT. BUT I KNOW THIS WILL BE MOVED ALONG BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE UNDERAUDITORIUM. IN THE AUDITORIUM. THE REASON WHY I'M SAYING THIS WHO MAY BE STREAMING THIS AND THROWING THINGS AT THEIR STREAMING TV NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN THEY GET DISCOURAGED AND THEY LEAVE AND THEN AT THE END WE KIND OF MISS SOME THINGS. THERE'S ONE LADY, I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE IS, BUT MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STREAMING ARE -- THAT ARE IN THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW ARE EMPLOYEES. SO I KNOW THIS WILL GO RIGHT ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WHENEVER IT COMES UP.

I'M JUST REALLY GLAD THAT ALL OF THIS MONEY IS COMING IN TO FIX OUR ROADS, TAKE CARE OF SUMMER HAVEN AND THEIR FLOODING AND OVER THERE AT RAVENSWOOD AND THEIR FLOODING.

AND IF YOU CAN'T TELL, I AM VERY UPSET ABOUT THE ONE THING THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE MR. BLOCKER HAS BEEN IN CHARGE.

THE MOVING OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE TREATING OF THE PUBLIC IS REALLY A DISGRACE. THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT EXCEPT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED TO HEAR FROM US AND IT SHOWS IN

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THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WE FORGET WHO WE SERVE.

BUT THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO WATCH OUT FOR US I THANK YOU.

HE'S BEEN THROUGH IT. COVID-19.

HE SHOWS UP ALL THE TIME. AND WE IN THE PUBLIC RECOGNIZE THIS EVEN THOUGH WE MAY NOT SAY IT ALL THE TIME, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'VE GOT ONE MORE CALL IN IF THEY HAVE CALLED IN. I NEED AN UP OR DOWN FROM THE CONTROL ROOM. OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> OKAY, THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD.

MR. SMITH? >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT IN LIGHT OF THE BENEFITS THAT COMUM COMEFROM THIS. AS A CONSERVATIVE, I LIKE REDUCTION IN TAXES. BUT I SEE THE BENEFIT THAT COMES FROM IT. LET ME JUST SAY THIS ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMING IN. MR. REYNOLDS MADE THIS COMMENT AND I FEEL COMPELLED TO ANSWER THIS FROM A CONSERVATIVE STANDPOINT. WHEN IT COMES TO THESE PROPERTIES THEY WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HOMESTEADED.

IT WOULD REDUCE THE VALUE UP TO $50,000 PLUS HAVE AN ANNUAL EVALUATION MAXIMUM INCREASE OF 3%.

THESE PROPERTIES WILL NOT HAVE THAT BENEFIT OF HAVING THAT EXEMPTION AND WILL BE SUBJECT OF EVALUATIONS UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 10% PER PER ANNUM WHICH LEADS TO GREATER TAX DISTRIBUTIONS AND THAT IS USED TO SUBSIDIZE RESIDENTIAL BENEFITS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WENT THAT BRINGING BUSINESS INTO OUR COMMUNITY HAS TREMENDOUS BENEFITS FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT. WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES TO LOCATE HERE TO PROVIDE JOBS BUT ALSO TO ENHANCE THE TAX BASE WHICH OBVIOUSLY IN MY PERSPECTIVE, BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHY I WILL VOTE FOR THESE AND I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE.

BECAUSE THERE IS TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THESE -- I MEAN, ALL OF THESE HAVE THEIR BENEFIT THEY BRING JOBS HERE. I WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECOGNIZE THE BENEFITS THAT COME FROM THIS THAT SOMETIMES AREN'T VERY OBVIOUS.

AND WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD BE GLAD TO MOVE THIS IF

YOU LIKE. >> PLEASE.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE AGENDA 6.

>> MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DRAFT GRANT AGREEMENT FOR IGWPW1, LLC TO CONSTRUCT A $14,000 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE SPACE AND PLACE THE PROPOSED GRANT AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BO BOARD AT

LATER SCHEDULED MEETING. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE.

5-0. AGENDA ITEM 7.

>> MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC GRANT AGREEMENT FOR BASEBALL PARK LLC, TO PLACE THE PROPOSED GRANT AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD AT A LATER REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANYTHING FURTHER ON AGENDA ITEM 7? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0.

AGENDA ITEM 8. >> MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT AGREEMENT FOR SMART CYCLING OF NORTH FLORIDA TO CONSTRUCT A 15,170 SQUARE FOOT SPECULATIVE SPACE FOR INDUSTRIAL AND OFFICE TENANTS FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD AT A LATER REGULAR SCHEDULED

MEETING. >> SECOND.

>> HERE WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SM SMITH AND A SECD FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON. PLEASE VOTE.

NUMBER NINE. >> AGENDA ITEM 9, MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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MEET. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE VOTE? NUMBER TEN.

>> MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT AGREEMENT FOR INDUSTRIAL TRACTOR PARTS COMPANY INCORPORATED TO CONSTRUCT A $46,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND PLACE THE GRANT AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD AT A

LATER SCHEDULED MEETING. >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE.

PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU.

>> CAN I -- >> PLEASE.

>> I WANT TO JUST ADD ONE POINT TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S SALIENT POINTS REGARDING TAX REVENUE TO THE COUNTY.

I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF THAT, TOO, THAT'S VERY POSITIVE.

MOST STUDIES SHOW THERE'S A GREATER DEMAND ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES ON RESIDENTIAL THAN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT.

[11. 2021 Roadway and Transportation Alternatives List of Priority Projects (LOPP).]

SUPPORT IT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

ANYTHING FURTHER? WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM 11.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERSION.

COMMISSIONERS. THE AGENDA ITEM BEFORE YOU IS THE 2021 PROJECT FOR TRANSPORTATION.

WE ARE -- I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS LIST OF PROJECTS TO TRANSMIT TO THE NORTH FLORIDA ORGANIZATION FOR FUNDING CONSIDERATION. ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION ADVISORY GROUP TO ASSIST US TO REVIEW THE EXISTING PROJECTS AND TO RECOMMEND THE 2021 PROJECTS.

AND THE ADVISORY GROUP CONSISTS OF THE STAFF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FOLLOWING AGENCIES AS LISTED ABOVE.

WE MET ON NOVEMBER 20TH OF LAST YEAR AND WE'LL RECOMMEND THIS YEAR'S PRIORITY PROJECT. THE PRIORITY PROJECTS ARE FUNDING CONSIDERATION FOR POSSIBLE FUNDING INTO THE FDOP'S FISCAL YEAR 2026 AND 2027. THE PROJECTS CONSIST OF TWO PRIMARY PROGRAMS, THE HIGHWAY PROGRAM AND ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS. WE GO THROUGH THAT SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY INCLUDE. THIS IS THE CURRENT APPROVED PROJECTS. THIS IS THE REGIONAL PROJECTS.

IT CONSISTS OF 25 PROJECTS FOR FUNDING CONSIDERATION.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED PROJECT OVER THE REGIONAL PROJECTS.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CURRENT PROJECT IS THAT WE MOVE SEVERAL PROJECTS TO THE FUNDED CATEGORY AND THEN WE COMBINE PROJECTS 14 AND 15 AS PER REQUEST BY THE COMMUNITY IN PONTE VEDRA, PARTICULARLY THE CITIZENS TRAFFIC TASK FORCE TO MOVE THE TWO PROJECTS ABOVE. WHAT WE HAVE REMAINING WOULD BE 23 PROJECTS. NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN CHANGED AND NO NEW PROJECTS HAS BEEN INTRODUCED.

EPICTING THE LOCATIONS OF THESE POACTS.

PROJECTS. THEY ARE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THIS IS THE CURRENT APPROVED PROJECT. IT HAS 14 PROJECTS.

WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS THAT WE MOVE TWO PROJECTS, THREE AND FOUR TO THE FUNDED CATEGORY AND WE'VE ADDED A SIDEWALK PROJECT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD REQUESTED.

HERE'S THE MAP DEPICTING THOSE LOCAL PROJECTS.

PREDOMINATELY THESE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN THE CITY'S URBANIZED

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THAT'S THE CURRENT APPROVED LIST.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE SAME, THE ONLY THING IS THAT THERE'S ONE PROJECT, THE SIDEWALK HAS BEEN ALREADY CONSTRUCTED. WE REMOVED THAT OFF THE LIST.

A TOTAL OF -- TEN PROJECTS TOTAL.

HERE'S SOME UPDATE THAT ARE USUALLY PROVIDED TO THIS COMMISSION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS SO YOU CAN SEE THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR, SORT OF SPEAKING. FOR STATE ROAD 313, THERE ARE TWO SEGMENTS. THE UPPER SEGMENT IS FROM U.S. 1 NORTH OF THE AIRPORT DOWN TO STATE ROAD 16.

THE LOWER SEGMENT WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE CONCENTRATING IN ORDER TO TRY TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT TO STATE ROAD 207.

THE FIRST MILE OF THIS CORRIDOR HAS BEEN FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR 2021. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT $12 MILLION PROJECT. AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE -- I HOPE I DON'T HIT THE WRONG BUTTON HERE. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS HOME BOULEVARD HERE. THE PROJECT STARTS HERE AND GOES BACK TO 312 AND ENDS -- IT'S GOING TO BE A TWO LANE PROJECT AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A ROUND ABOUT WITH HOLMES BOULEVARD.

IT COMES DOWN HERE TO WHERE THE EXISTING GAS STATION WILL EXPAND INTO A FOUR-LANE APPROACH. THE NEXT PROJECT WE'RE REQUESTING IS COUNTY ROAD 2209. WE'RE REQUESTING FUNDING FOR THE SIX LANE PORTION FROM 210 DOWN TO IGP.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, SILVERLEAF HAS ALREADY PROVIDED A FOUR-LANE FACILITY FROM 210 DOWN TO SILVERLEAF PARKWAY.

AND THE REQUEST IS GOING TO BE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO IGP.

WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE LEGISLATURE PROGR APPROPRIATIONF $1 MILLION. THAT'S MAINLY TO HELP FACILITATE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION FOR THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL.

WE ALSO HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE FUNDING FROM CLAY COUNTY TO THE AREA OF 16A HAS BEEN FULLY FUNDED, INCLUDING THE BRAND-NEW SHANDS BRIDGE WHICH WILL PROVIDE A NAVIGATABLE WATERWAY UP TO ABOUT 64 FEET CLEARANCE. SO THAT'S A HUGE UNDERTAKING.

THE FUNDING OF THE REMAINDER THROUGH OUR COUNTY TO I-95 HAS BEEN FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR '23. BY JULY OF '22 THE FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE. YOU CAN SEE CONSTRUCTION STARTING WITHIN ABOUT TWO YEARS OR SO.

THEN WE HAVE A FUNDING FOR THE INTERCHANGE AT I-95 AND STATE ROAD 16 AS PART OF A RESUFFERRREURESURFACINGPROJECT .

I WORKED WITH DOT IN ORDER TO ENHANCE THE CONGESTION ON 16.

IT'S CURRENTLY FUNDED. CONSTRUCTION SHOULD COMMENCE WITHIN A COUPLE MONTHS OR SO. THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECTS WOULD ENTAIL. YOU WOULD HAVE A SIX LANE FACILITY UNDERNEATH I-95. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME STORAGE HERE BEFORE YOU CAN GET ON THE ONRAMP ON SOUTHBOUND I-95, SAME THING ON NORTHBOUND I-95.

THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR WE'RE WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT OF DOT,D EXTEND TO THE EAST TO INMAN AND TO THE WEST TO TOM'S ROAD.

THAT WOULD BE FUNDED IN FISCALIARY 24.

FISCAL YEAR '24.

WE HAVE TO SPLIT THE FUNDING PORTION OF THAT.

THE LAST ONE IS RACETRACK ROAD. THE PORTION THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED FUNDING FOR IS FOR BARTRAM PARK TO BARTRAM SPRINGS.

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DOT WOULD COME IN HERE AND REMOVE THE CURRENT OVERPASS, TWO LANE OVERPASS OVER I-95. REPLACE IT WITH A FOUR-LANE OVERPASS AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO EXTEND IT, THE FOUR LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE BARTRAM SPRINGS CURRENTLY WHERE THE TWO LANE -- AND THEY WILL ALSO EXTEND IT TO THE -- CONNECTION TO THE EAST, WHICH THAT ROAD IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO DEVELOP PHASE TWO OF THE DURBIN PARK. WE RECEIVED $2.75 MILLION FOR STATE ROAD 16 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT.

WE RECEIVED LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION FOR $3.7 MILLION P FOR THE U.S. 1313 CONNECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE AND ALSO RECEIVED ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE PONTE VEDRA INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I WANTED TO PROVIDE TO YOU, THIS PROCESS SO FAR HAS WORKED OUT VERY WELL DURING THE LAST DECADE. WE HAVE BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES, WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND WITH DOT AS WELL. I'M HERE TO REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE REGIONAL HIGHWAY PROJECTS, WHICH IS LISTED HERE. THIS IS THE LOCAL FUNDING PROJECTS. AND THEN THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROJECTS.

WITH THAT I REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR THIS SO I CAN TRANSMIT TO THE TPO AND DOT. I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU, ARE THERE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> OKAY LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND

WE'LL COME BACK FOR A MOTION. >> WE'LL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11, TRANSPORTATION LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS.

CALL IN? GO AHEAD.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> THIS IS NANCY MURPHY.

38 PHILIPS AVENUE IN OLD PONTE VEDRA.

AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I AM HERE TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE TRANSPORTATION INITIATIVE AND BEING A BIG SUPPORTER OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I AM A ONE YEAR RESIDENT AND INVESTING IN PROPERTY IN BOTH ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DUVAL.

STEWARDS OF THIS GREAT CITY WE LIVE IN, WE ARE -- OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THINK FORWARD 50 YEARS AND DEVELOP A PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION BEFORE DENSITY TAKES OVER AND MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO AND NEW JERSEY, THE NEW YORK METRO AREA.

I'VE SEEN WONDERFUL THINGS HAPPEN WITH WELL-BUILT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND I'VE ALSO SEEN IT DOESN'T EXIST. REALLY APPRECIATE LOOKING INTO THIS.

MY VIEW IS, WE CANNOT BUILD ROADS FAST ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALL THE CARS. AND THERE IS A BIG ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. I WANT TO SHARE THAT I'M -- I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING AT SOME OF THE BIGGEST COMPANIES WITH THE EXECUTIVE TEAM AT FIS -- AND MY CHILDREN WERE YOUNG AT THE TIME. THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE WAS MY COMMUTE. AS MUCH AS I LOVED MY JOB AND I LOVED MY HOME AND I DID WANT -- I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY LACROSSE TOURNAMENTS I MISSED AND SCHOOL EVENTS AND WHAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- ] IT GIVES YOU TIME AS A WORKING MOM.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME, IF YOU'RE SITTING STRESSED OUT IN A CAR AND THERE'S A HEALTH IMPACT AS WELL.

I DID ULTIMATELY LEAVE MY JOB BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS TOO HIGH.

IF I HAD GOTTEN BACK A DAY TO WORK ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION --

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THIS IS A LONG-TERM PLAN. AND I CANNOT SUPPORT IT ENOUGH.

I THINK THIS AREA COULD -- WITH A LINK BETWEEN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND DUVAL. THEY'RE GOING TO GROW.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT HAPPEN. THE YOUNG CROWD WANTS THIS AND SO DOES THE OLD. SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW -- AND THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOUING FOR LISTENING

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM.ING NEXT CALL IN, NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA.

NUMBER ONE IS I'M LOOKING AT THIS LIST.

I'M GOING TO BE PERFECTLY STRAIGHT UP.

I CAN'T SAY I'M ON TOP OF THIS WHOLE SUBJECT.

BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ALL THE NAMES AND THE ROADS AND THE WIDENING AND ALL THAT -- I DON'T SEE THE MAIN ROAD THAT'S -- THE ROAD IS A WRECK. AN ABSOLUTE WRECK RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A DISGRACE. I WISH WE HAD A DECENT COUNTY COMMISSIONER THAT ACTUALLY CARED ABOUT ROADS BUT WE DON'T.

ANYWAY, YOU KNOW THE ONE THAT I'M REALLY, REALLY SHOCKED AT RIGHT HERE, THE ONE THAT I SEE PEOPLE RISK THEIR LIVES, I SEE DANGER ON, KINGS ESTATE. AM I NOT READING SOMETHING HERE? MAYBE I'M WRONG. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

YOU'VE GOT SIDEWALKS THROWN IN ON KINGS ESTATE, DON'T YOU? WHERE ALL THE LOW INCOME PEOPLE LIVE THAT GOT TO WALK DOWN THE ROAD, WALKING ON GRASS WITH CARS TWO INCHES FROM THEM? DID YOU FORGET ABOUT THEM, COMMISSIONERS? BECAUSE I CAN I SA UNDERSTAND HU FORGOT ABOUT THEM, YOU PROBABLY REAL LREALIZED A LOT OF THEM DOT VOAVOTE SO YOU PROBABLY DON'T C.

FAILURE. ONCE AGAIN, FAILURE.

I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, WALDRON NEEDS TO PICK UP HIS GAME FOR THE PEOPLE IN KINGS ESTATE.

THEY HAVE NO SIDEWALK. AND HENRY DEAN, PLEASE, DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD, PARK YOUR CAR AND WATCH THE BUS GO DOWN THE ROAD AND SHIFT ALL OVER. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT CALL IN PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> GOOD MORNING. CITIZENS FOR SMART GROWTH, 1821 CASTILE STREET, MENENDEZ PARK. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TIME TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC OF ROADWAY AND TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES.

I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE 2070 ST. JOHNS COUNTY WORKSHOPS WHICH WERE HELD IN 2017.

OVER 175 RESIDENTS PARTICIPATED. THEY LI LISTED GROWTH MANAGEMENS NUMBER ONE. THEY FEEL THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE IS BEING IMPACTED BY CONGESTION AND DEVELOPMENTS.

WITH TRAFFIC VOLUME BEING THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AIR POLLUTION SOURCE AFFECTED BY GROWTH, INCREASING CAR POOLS, TAKING THE BUS, OR SIMPLY WALKING CAN COUNTER THE EFFECTS OF GROWTH ON AIR QUALITY. THAT'S THE REASON WHY OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN SHOULD HAVE GOALS THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO WALK, BIKE AND CARPOOL.

BUILD SIDEWALKS OF QUALITY. WIDE SIDEWALKS.

WIDE ENOUGH FOR ALL. WITH CURB CUTS IN THEM WHVMENT LET'S NOT CLEAR CUT THE TREES BUT LEAVE THEM SO THEY MAY LINE STREETS AND OFFER SHADE. THESE PLANS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH SMART GROWTH MANAGEMENT. IT CAN BE DONE BY ADJUSTING ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS TO LOWER GROWTH RATES IN AREAS THAT ARE OR WILL BE OVERLY CONGESTED.

CONFIGURE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND RETROFIT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FOR MULTIPLE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.

WALKING, BIKING AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

WE NEED TO INVEST IN COMMUNITY CENTERS THAT ESTABLISH A SENSE OF PLACE, AND ENCOURAGE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION AND GENERATE TAX REVENUE. WE CAN BUILD AND GROW ST. JOHNS COUNTY IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH SMART GROWTH, MANAGEMENT, AND A VISION FOR THE FUTURE. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ON THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY 2070 WORKSHOT.

WORKSHOP GO TO1,000 FRIENDS OF A WEBSITE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME >> THANK YOU.

NEXT CALL IN, PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> GOOD MORNING, THIS IS LISA MCGLEN.

703 PINEHURST PLACE. I HAD A CASE OF VERTIGO THIS MORNING WHICH PREVENTED ME FROM COMING.

I WANTED TO FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR APPOINTING ME TO SERVE ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL TO THE NORTH FLORIDA

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IT'S AN HONOR TO SERVE IN THAT ROLE AND I THANK YOU FOR THE CITIZENS OF OUR COUNTY. I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE FOR THE INCREDIBLE PATIENCE AND GUIDANCE AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME IN HELPING ME TO UNDERSTAND THE LONG AND COMPLICATED TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PROCESS.

IN THE SHORT TIME THIS PROPOSAL HAS BEEN AVAILABLE, I HAVE DISSEMINATED IT TO MEMBERS OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CIVIC ROUND TABLE AND SEVERAL OTHER CIVIC GROUPS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS. I WANTEDTHIS MORNITI WANTED TO Y OF THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED. ONE, THE NEED FOR INCREASED EMPHASIS ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR A FOCUS ON MOVING PEOPLE, NOT CARS. TWO, SAFE BIKE LANES AND SAFE SIDEWALKS. THREE, THE NEED FOR INTEGRATED PLANNING TO INCORPORATE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT. ONE ITEM, WIDENING OF PALM VALLEY ROAD RECEIVED THE MOST COMMENTS.

THEY WERE SPLIT BETWEEN BOTH PRO AND CONABOUT WHETHER THE ROAD SHOULD BE WIDENED. MANY COMMENTS WERE RELATED TO THE NEED FOR ADEQUATE AND SAFE BIKE LANES.

WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMISSION FOR THE VILANO BEACH, PONTE VEDRA BEACH TRAIL. ONE PERSON SAID THE NARROW BIKE LANES ON A1A IN PONTE VEDRA FEEL LIKE PLAYING RUSSIAN R RULET WIE WITH CARS. LAST YEAR THE ROUND-TABLE LOOKED AT THE PROJECTED 2070 GROWTH. ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS DURING THAT EXERCISE WHEN WE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH ABOUT 150 CITIZENS PARTICIPATING WAS THEY IDENTIFIED WHAT THEY MOST LIKED ABOUT OUR COUNTY, WHICH WAS EDUCATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

AND AREAS THEY THOUGHT NEEDED THE MOST ATTENTION.

TRANSPORTATION AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

MANY BELIEVE IT'S TIME ONCE AGAIN TO SET A COURSE FOR THE FUTURE OF THEIR COUNTY. PERHAPS A WORKSHOP OR A SERIES OF WORKS WORKSHOPS WITH ALL STAKEHOLDERS TO SET A VISION.

THIS WILL HELP THE BUILDERS TO KNOW WHERE TO BUILD, THE ROAD PLANNERS KNOW WHERE TO PUT ROADS, SIDEWALK AND BIKE LANES AND THE SCHOOLS KNOW WHERE TO PUT THE SCHOOLS AND THE COMMUNITY WILL KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

THANK YOU >> NEXT CALL IN, PLEASE.

CALL IN, NAME AND A ADDRESS >> THIS IS PATTY SCOTT, ST.

AUGUSTINE. I'M CALLING IN TODAY TO JOIN WITH THE CITIZENS FOR SMART GROWTH IN EXPRESSING MY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT OUR COUNTY'S FUTURE.

I WANT TO PROTECT OUR HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND THE INCREDIBLE NATURAL RESOURCES THAT MAKES THIS AREA SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINDINGS OF THE 2070 REPORT PREPARED BY THE 1,000 FRIENDS OF FLORIDA YOU'LL SEE THE LAND USE PROJECTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.

THE AMOUNT OF RED REPRESENTING DEVELOPMENT IS DOWNRIGHT ALARMING. I'M TROUBLED THAT THE LAND ADJACENT TO THE MATANZAS RIVER IS RED.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO WORSEN IF WE CONTINUE ON THIS PATH.

IF THE CURRENT TREND CONTINUES WE'LL HAVE PAVED OVER PARADISE.

THE 2070 REPORT INCLUDES SEVERAL IMPORTANT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MANAGING GROWTH IN A MORE SUSTAINABLE WAY.

REQUIRING A SUPER MAJORITY FOR AMENDMENTS AND VARIANCES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS ONE KEY RECOMMENDATION WHICH I HOPE WILL BE ADOPTED. AND AS YOU LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION PLANS, THE COUNTY MUST CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF BUILDING MORE ROADS AND WIDER HIGHWAYS.

STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT WIDENING OUR EXPANDING THE HIGHWAYS ENCOURAGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW LOW DENSITY CAR DEPENDENT DEVELOPMENT. TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE THE COUNTY NEEDS TO DIRECT NEW DEVELOPMENT TOWARD E OLDER EXISTING COMMUNITIES. THIS POLICY IS NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY SOUND BUT IT PROTECTS EXTENSIVE LAND AT THE URBAN EDGE AND REDUCES THE NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD.

BUILDING MORE ROADS IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE AMOUNT OF PAVED SERVICES. THIS FURTHER EXACERBATES STORMWATER RUN OFF AND NUTRIENT POLLUTION.

NUTRIENT POLLUTION IS ONE OF THE MAJOR CAUSES OF HARMFULALGYFUL E

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THIS WILL HELP REDUCE OBESITY AND IMPROVE OVERALL HEALTH.

THE MAJOR FOCUS OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN SHOULD BE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO WALK, BIKE, CARPOOL, RIDE TRANSIT AND USE ALTERNATIVE FUELED VEHICLES.

I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT COMMUTER RAIL SERVICE TO JACKSONVILLE INSTEAD OF MANY OF THE PRIORITY ROAD PROJECTS.

THE COUNTY COULD EXAMINE WAYS TO BUILD MORE SUSTAINABLE, SUCH AS PERVIOUS PAVEMENTS, CUSTOM SIDEWALK AND TREE LINED STREETS.

LAND CONSERVATION, ESPECIALLY THE PROTECTION OF CRITICAL WETLANDS IS PERHAPS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT STRATEGY IN OUR GOAL OF PRESERVING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECTING WATER QUALITY. FINALLY, I URGE THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEIR STAFF TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON SMART GROWTH PRINCIPLES AND TECHNIQUES AND TO LEARN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB AT MANAGING GROWTH.

ONE GOOD EXAMPLE IS RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD, THE CITY OF ORLANDO IS

PURSUING -- >> MA'AM, THAT'S THREE MINUTES.

MA'AM. THAT'S THREE MINUTES.

HELLO. THAT'S THREE MINUTES.

THAT'S THREE MINUTES. >> WHICH HAS SPEARHEADED --

>> CAN YOU CALL THIS OFF? >> ECONOMICALLY AND SOCIAL

VIBRANT CITIES IN THE COUNTRY. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY, I THINK WE HAVE ONE MORE CALL IN.

AT LEAST. NAME AND ADDRESS, CALL IN.

NOPE? NOW IT SHOWS ZERO.

IS THAT IT FOR CALL INS? IT APPEARS TO BE SO WE'LL GO TO LIVE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION. ITEM 11.

TRANSPORTATION REQUEST >> YES

>> YES? GO AHEAD.

>> AM I ON? >> YES, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE

SIR >> JOHN, 1120 PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. I AM THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE CITIZENS TRAFFIC TASK FORCE OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

WHICH WAS FORMED IN NOVEMBER OF 2014 IN RESPONSE TO EVER INCREASING TRAFFIC CONGESTION IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

NO PLANS AT AT THAT TIME FOR AY ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS.

I'M HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THE A1A PROJECT AT PRIORITY NUMBER FOUR ON THE COUNTY'S LIST OF PRIORITIES TO BE SUBMITTED THIS YEAR TO THE TPO. THE BOARD CONSISTS OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL MAJOR HOAS IN PONTE VEDRA BEACH.

THE TWO CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. THE MSD.

THE PONTE VEDRA COALITION AND THE NORTH PONTE VEDRA BEACH COALITION. WE RECEIVE ABOUT 85% OF PONTE VEDRA BEACH RESIDENTS. OUR MISSION IS TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC F FLOW AND SAFETY IN POE VEDRA BEACH.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF, NFTPO AND FDOT SINCE OUR FOUNDING. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF OW OUR ACTIVITIES. DECEMBER OF 2015, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AGREED TO REQUEST A TRAFFIC STUDY FROM THE NFTPO. THE STUDY WAS COMPLETED IN FEBRUARY OF 2017. IN APRIL OF 2017, THE TPO PRESENTED RESULTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AT A PUBLIC HEARING TO AN OVERFLOW CROWD IN THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2017, THE CCTF CONDUCT ADSUR A SURVEY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY RECOMMENDATIONS. THE SURVEY RESULTS SHOW OVERWHELMING RESIDENT SUPPORT FOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

OVER 80% POSITIVE FOR ALL A1A INTERSECTIONS.

IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE THAT SURVEY.

TRAFFIC HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND WE EXPECT THAT A SURVEY TODAY WOULD RESULT IN EVEN GREATER SUPPORT. THE CTT HAVE SHARED ITS SURVEY RESULTS WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY OFFICIALS, THE NFTPO, FDOT AND OUR STATE LEGISLATORS. IN DECEMBER OF 2018, WITH HELP FROM COUNTY STAFF WE MADE A FORMAL REQUEST FOR FUNDING FOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR STATE LEGISLATION DELEGATION.

WE RECEIVED $500,000 IN 2019/2020 STATE BUDGET.

IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, AGAIN, WOOH COUNTY STAFF SUPPORT WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND WE RECEIVED $1 MILLION IN THE 2021 BUDGET. LAST MONTH WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING. OARVOVER THE LAST YEAR, COUNTY F AND FDOT STAFF HAVE DEFINED LONGER TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE

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>> PLEASE SIR, CAN YOU WRAP IT UP.

WE'VE GONE BEYOND THREE MINUTES >> TO THE NFTPO --

>> CAN YOU WRAP IT UP, WE'VE GOT THREE MINUTES GONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE SHOW ONE MORE CALL.

MAYBE. MAYBE NOT.

IS THERE ANOTHER CALL? ALL RIGHT.

NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

ED SLAVIN, I AGREE WITH EARLIER SPEAKERS.

WE'RE SEEING TOO MANY ROADS AND NOT ENOUGH TRANSIT.

AND NOT ENOUGH CONSIDERATION TO THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.

HARKENING BACK TO APRIL 20TH, 1977, PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER SAID THAT -- OUR ENERGY PROBLEM AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS HAVE THE SAME ROOT CAUSE. WASTEFUL USE OF RESOURCES.

WHY CAN'T I CATCH A TRAIN IN DOWNTOWN ST. AUGUSTINE AND BE IN JACKSONVILLE? WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE TROLLEYS HERE IN ST. AUGUSTINE TO TAKE US TO THE BEACH? WE USED TO HAVE THAT.

MAJOR OIL COMPANIES ARE DICTATING THE POLICY ON ROAD BUILDING IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU KNOW IT.

THEY FUND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I SAY ENOUGH LET'S HAVE NATIONAL PLANNING AND PRESIDENT BIDEN, LET'S WORK ON AN ACTUAL TRANSIT PLAN TO WHERE WE CAN GET FROM HERE TO THERE.

WE HAVE THE COUNCIL ON AGING CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY AND IT IS THE SUNSHINE BUSES ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

FIVE A DAY. YOU HAVE TO TRANSFER -- IF I WANTED TO GO FROM MY HOUSE TO THE LIBRARY I'D HAVE TO TAKE TWO BUSES, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE MILES. THAT'S NOT PLANNING OR TRANSIT.

IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS DONE TO PUBLIC POLICY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA -- LOOK@THESE PARTICULAE PARTICULAR ROADS.

ONE WOULD DESTROY PART OF THE SWAMP, WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WE DON'T NEED 2209. DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY -- LET'S ASK BASIC QUESTIONS LIKE MY MENTOR AT THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR WOULD ALWAYS ASK. WHO BENEFITS? 2209. NOW, DOESN'T THAT BENEFIT THE HUDSON COMPANIES? ISN'T HUDSON COMPANIES TRAVIS HUDSON OUR STATE SENATOR? AND JOHN MICAH WAS OUR LONG TIME CONGRESSMAN FROM THIS PART OF FLORIDA.

HE ACTUALLY PROMISED US IN 2002 AN AMTRAK STATION FOR ST.

AUGUSTINE. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THAT.

HE WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

HIS BROTHER, SON, AND DAUGHTER ARE ALL OIL LOBBYISTS.

AND BIG OIL WANTS MORE ROAD BUILDING AND THEY DON'T WANT TRANSIT. WE WANT TRANSIT, PLEASE.

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. I'M GLAD TO HAVE OTHER FOLKS HERE AGREEING WITH ME. THANK YOU EVERYONE FROM THE THOUSAND FRIENDS OF FLORIDA. LET'S HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AT A TIME CERTAIN TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND TESTIFY.

LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP WHERE WE CAN HAVE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANOTHER CALL IN? NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE CALL.

>> VIVIAN BROWNING, 30 BEACH, VULVILANO BEACH.

GOOD MORNING, I'M THE CHAIR OF VILANO TRAIL TOWN.

WE'RE V VERY SUPPORTIVE ON THIS RANKING FOR THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION. WE'VE WORKED FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS GETTING THE TRAIL ALONG A1A BETWEEN VILANO AND THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND PONTE VEDRA.

WHAT WE'VE DONE ABOUT A YEAR AGO THE COMMISSIONERS MADE US -- THE VILANO TRAIL WAS NOT FUNDED AT THIS TIME BUT WE DID GET AN FDOT FEASIBILITY WHICH IS IN PLACE WHICH MEANS THE PLAN IS THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK VERY HARD ON FUNDLING.

FUNDING. WE SUPPORT IT.

FROM THE VILANO BRIDGE GOING NORTH THERE IS NO MULTIUSE

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SO WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF GETTING THE TRAIL GOING, ESPECIALLY THE SECTION FROM THE BRIDGE GOING NORTH.

WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE TRAIL GOING ALL THE WAY TO PONTE VEDRA. BUT OUR GOAL IN VILANO BEACH IS TO WORK VERY HARD ON THE -- I'M STILL HERE I GUESS.

I DON'T KNOW. WHAT HAPPENED?

>> GO AHEAD, VIVIAN, WE HEAR YOU.

GO AHEAD >> ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS MY TIME. VILANO TRAIL TOWN CHAIR, WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF P2, VILANO TRAIL.

TURN THAT DOWN -- SO ANYWAY, WE THANK YOU FOR SELECTING US AS NUMBER TWO TRAILS ON THE LIST. AND WE KNOW IF WE'RE NOT FUNDED YET BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING.

ESPECIALLY THE SECTION OF THE TRAIL THAT'S BEEN PLANNED BY THE FDOT CAPABILITY STUDY GOING NORTH FROM THE BRIDGE TOWARDS THE VILANO AND ON TO PONTE VEDRA.

SO WE'RE FROM THE BRIDGE WHERE WE HAVE NO SIDEWALKS AND NO TRAIL. THERE'S 5,000 TO 6,000 RESIDENTS AND WE ALSO HAVE AT LEAST A DOZEN PUBLIC ACCESSES.

SO WE REALLY SUPPORT MOVING THIS ALONG ON THE ORDER THAT Y'ALL HAVE ON THIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN. THANK YOU AND WE'LL BE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET SOME FUNDING ALONG WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH OUR CRAS. SO WE DO SUPPORT YOUR REPORT HERE TODAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

>> THANKS >> THANK YOU.

I SEE NO FURTHER CALLS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CALLS COMING IN? I SEE NONE ON THIS SCREEN. ANY OTHER CALLS? OKAY. THAT COMPLETES THE CALL INS.

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM 11. IN HOUSE AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11. AUDIENCE, LIVE AUDIENCE, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. THAT COMPLETES THE PUBLIC

COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR, WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR -- IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD?

>> I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE 2020 ST. JOHNS COUNTY ROADWAY AND TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES LIST WITH PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR TRANSMITTAL TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATIONS

>> SECOND >> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M GOING TO ASK FOR US TO DO A VOICE VOTE. MR. RYAN HAS BEEN HELPING WITH THE SCREEN HERE, IT KEEPS LOCKING UP.

I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOICE VOTE.

[12. Consider appointments to the Tourist Development Council.]

COMMISSIONER SMITH >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST >> YES

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON >> YES

>> I'M A YES AS WELL. THAT PASSES 5-0.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO AGENDA ITEM

12. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, MELISSA LUNDQUIST. ITEM 12 BEFORE YOU IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.

DURNTLY YOCURRENTLY YOU HAVE FOR VACANCIES, ONE OF THOSE IS ONE OF THE SEATS THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS.

THE SEAT THAT WAS CURRENTLY HELD BY THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH REPRESENTATIVE HAS EXPIRED.

ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE CITY BEACH MANAGER REQUESTING VICE MAYOR BE APPOINTED AT ST.

AUGUSTINE BEACH'S REPRESENTATIVE.

THE OTHER THREE VACANCIES ON THE TDC ARE DUE TO RESIGNATION AND TWO EXPIRED TERMS. TWO ARE REQUIRED TO BE HELD BY OWNER OPERATOR OF TOURIST ACCOMMODATIONS.

THE THIRD SEAT MAY BE FILLED EITHER BY AN INDIVIDUAL INVOLVED IN THE TOURIST RELATED BUSINESS OTHER THAN ACCOMMODATIONS OR AN OWNER OPERATOR SUBJECT TO THE BED TAX.

WE ADVERTISE THESE PASSION POSIN SEPTEMBER 2020 FOR A FOUR-WEEK SPAN. ATTACHED FOR YOUR REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION IS A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION FROM THE TDC ITSELF AND 16 APPLICATIONS. YOU WILL NOTE IN YOUR PACKET MSA SPREADSHEET FOR THE TDC. I'VE PUT THAT IN THERE TO SHOW THAT APPLIED FOR ACCOMMODATION AND NON-ACCOMMODATIONS IN THE

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IF YOU COULD INDULGE ME FOR A MOMENT ON THE SUGGESTED MOTIONS.

THE SECOND ONE IS FOR A PARTIAL TERM THAT IS SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE JUNE 2021. I REALIZE THAT THAT WOULD APPOINT THAT PERSON FOR LESS THAN A FIVE-MONTH TERM.

SO I WANTED TO OFFER YOU COULD SUSPEND YOUR MOTION TO FILL THE EXPIRED TERM, APPOINT THAT PERSON FOR A FULL FOUR YEARS, SCHEAWHATEVER DATE YOU DESIRE, D THEN REINSTATE THAT BOARD RULE.

I'M GOING TO PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD IN CASE THAT'S OF INTEREST. YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY, IT'S JUST I WOULD BE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THE SAME EXACT SEAT IN LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS. THAT'S THE BASICS POF OF THE IT.

IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OR OF MS. MEEKS, SHE'S IN THE

AUDIENCE >> WE'LL GO TO THE BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>> DID YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE VACANCY

RULE BEFORE WE -- >> WE CAN DO THAT.

>> OKAY, AT THIS TIME I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND BOARD RULE 2.202. C. FILLING A VACANCY FOR UNEXPIRED

TERM >> SECOND

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. LET'S GO AHEAD.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? DO WE NEED TO OPEN THAT UP FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT? >> IT'S AN EXECUTIVE ITEM, SO NO

>> PLEASE VOTE. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> I JUST SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST.

>> LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THIS UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS OPEN ON ITEM 12, APPOINTMENTS TO THE TDC, ITEM 12. WE HAVE SEVERAL CALL INS.

GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU'RE HOLDING TO CALL IN

>> TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH.

I SUPPORT THE APPOINTMENT OF DONALD SOMORA.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, ARE YOU GOING TO DO SEPARATE VOTING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL SPOT OR IS THIS ANOTHER JAM UP AND CHEAT THE PUBLIC OUT OF INPUT ON THESE INDIVIDUALS? I'M NOT INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL ON THIS.

I HOPE THAT VICTOR RAMOS IS NOT APPOINTED AND I HOPE THAT BILL MCCLURE IS NOT APPOINTED. AND FURTHERMORE, I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, TO JAM ALL THESE PEOPLE UP -- WHEN I LOOK ON THAT LIST AND I SEE EXPIRED PEOPLE, WHO HAVE BEEN EXPIRED FOR MONTHS, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING TRACK OF THINGS? IT'S 2021. YOU'RE A COUNTY WITH A BILLION DOLLARS BUDGET. NOBODY SHOULD BE EXPIRED.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN CHARGE AT THE COUNTY THAT W WE'RE PAYING SALARIES TO SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT PEOPLE UP, THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY NOTIFIED. I KNOW ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH HAS BEEN A DISGRACE AS FAR AS -- WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR 13 MONTHS WHEN SOCIO PATH RICH O'BRIEN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UP THERE. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, COMMISSIONERS, TO NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL VOTING ON EACH ASPECT, ANOTHER SHAM BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION.

IT'S GETTING WORSE. THAT'S IT.

>> ANOTHER CALL IN, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL IN, NAME AND

ADDRESS >> ED SLAVIN, BOX 3084, EDSLAVIN.COM. MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S NOT DIVERSITY ON THIS TDC. WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO RECRUIT A DIVERSE MEMBERSHIP. I REALIZE THAT YOU ARE KIND OF IN GOLDEN HAN HANDCUFFS AND THEN THERE'S A QUESTION OF HOW WE REACH OUT TO PEOPLE. BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE A TDC THAT LOOKS LIKE THE TOURISM INDUSTRY.

WHERE ARE THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE WOMEN? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE OF COLOR? WHERE ARE THE HISTORIANS? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT KNOW OUR HISTORY AND COULD MAKE THE CASE FOR THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK AND NATIONAL SEESHORE WHICH TDC AND VCB HAVE REPEATEDLY HEARD PRESENTATIONS ABOUT, REPEATEDLY HEARD ME TALK ABOUT AND NEVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT REALLY MATTER.

AS DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. SAID OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END WHEN WE STOP CARING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER.

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FIRST OF ALL, BILL MCCLURE, HE MADE A PRESENTATION WITHIN THE LAST 18 MONTHS TO THIS BOARD ABOUT WHAT HE SAID WAS HIS MOTHER'S GUEST HOUSE. NOW HE SAYS IT'S HIS.

HE'S A FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

HE'S A FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO VIOLATED ADA.

HE'S A FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER WHO WITH HIS MOTHER IS STILL UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION FOR MEDICAID FRAUD WITH A PILL MILL THAT WAS BUSTED.

ALSO, THERE'S A SUGGESTION IN THE PACKET THAT PATEL AND -- ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.

A REPRESENTATIVE EMPLOYEE AND THEN THERE'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER HE'S REALLY INVOLVED IN THE TOURISM BUSINESS AT ALL.

TROY LEA LEVINS, NICE GUY, HE RY WORKS FOR DAVIS CONSTRUCTION.

YOUR STAFF HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS ELIGIBILITY TO EVEN SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. I THINK MORE TO THE POINT IS, I DON'T THINK ANY PARTICULAR BUSINESS OWNER OUGHT TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE -- I DON'T THINK CONTE PATEL IS ENTITLED TO REPRESENTATION ON ANY BOARD. THE FIRST TIME I FILED AN ETHICS COMPLAINT IN FLORIDA HAD TO DO WITH A COUNTY COMMISSION CANDIDATE WHO WAS DEFEATED BY MY FRIEND KEN BRIAN IN 2008, BUT THAT CANDIDATE ACTUALLY ACCEPTED FOR FREE AN ENTIRE CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS, 1500 SQUARE FEET WITHOUT A RENT PAYMENT PAID UNTIL AFTER THE PRIMARY ELECTION HE LOST.

RANDY BRUNSON. PATEL HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCE.

OBVIOUSLY HE WANTS TO BUY VOTES BUT HE SHOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO REPRESENTATION JUST BECAUSE HE'S A MONOPOLIST IN THE HOTEL BUSINESS WITH LIKE, 12 PROPERTIES IN ST. AUGUSTINE.

THE MAN IS POWER MAD. DON'T GIVE ANY CORPORATION.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO STICK THEIR CHESTS OUT AND THINK THEY OWN THE PLACE.

THEY DON'T. >> THANK YOU

>> MAKE THIS BOARD DIVERSE. THANK YOU

>> THANK YOU. IT SHOWS ONE MORE CALLER, DO WE HAVE ONE MORE CALLER CALLING IN? NAME AND ADDRESS.

NO? I HAD TO TAKE OFF MY READING GLASSES TO SEE LONG DISTANCE. WE'RE NOW GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT HERE IN THE AUDITORIUM. PUBLIC COMMENT, LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12. SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12 BEING CONCLUDED WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. WE'LL HANDLE THESE INDIVIDUALLY.

>> GO AHEAD >> I WANT TO COMMENT ON ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WHO REACHED OUT TO ME, MR. MICHAEL WICKS, HE LIVES IN MY DISTRICT. HE'S INVOLVED WITH THE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TOURISM RELATED ENTERPRISES UP IN THE PONTE VEDRA AREA. I THINK HE WOULD BE A GOOD APPLICANT. SPECIFICALLY HE'S WORKED WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE PONTE VEDRA CONCERT HALL WHICH GENERATES REVENUE FOR THE KO COUNTY. IF THERE'S NOT A MOTION I WOULD BE MAKING A MOTION ON HIS BEHALF.

>> Y'ALL WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM -- COMMISSIONERS?

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH >> I WANT TO SAY THIS, TOO.

I'M VERY PARTICULAR WHEN I GO THROUGH THESE APPLICATIONS.

I WANT FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT WHEN I DO THEM, I READ THEM COMPLETELY. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT FOLKS BE ACCURATE IN ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS.

I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. ONE QUESTION ON HERE I WROTE DOWN. WE HAD 25% ACTUALLY ACCURATELY ANSWER -- RESPONDED TO THE QUESTION.

JUST ONE. YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE READ THE QUESTIONS, ANSWER IT CORRECTLY, AND THEN WHEN THESE APPLICATIONS -- WHEN I'M GOING THROUGH IT, THOSE THINGS STAND OUT TO ME.

I JUST -- WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP MR. WICKS HE ANSWERED IT

CORRECTLY AND I APPRECIATE THAT >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER WALDRON >> WE READY? MOTION TO APPOINT JOE FLANAGAN -- IS IT FINNEGAN, I'M SORRY.

AS AN ACCOMMODATION MEMBER TO TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR A PARTIAL TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE.

I'M GOING TO DO FEBRUARY 2, 2025 THAT WAY FUTURE BOARDS WILL HAVE

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ALL THREE AT ONE TIME. >> SECOND

>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A

SECOND BY -- >> I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON SAID PARTIAL BUT YOU MEAN FULL? IT WOULD BE A FULL TERM FOR THE

2025 YEAR >> YEAH

>> THANK YOU. WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, DO YOU STILL SECOND THE MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?

DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YOU'VE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT ON

THIS AGENDA ITEM 12 >> THANK YOU.

NOTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD, PLEASE VOTE.

IF YOU DON'T MIND TO JUMP IN BRIEFLY? I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, MOTION TO APPOINT MICHAEL WICKS AS A ACCOMMODATION MEMBER OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT -- OKAY.

ACTUALLY -- I STAND CORRECTED. BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> OKAY. MOTION TO APPOINT SAMUEL TROY BLEVINS TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR A 4 FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE FEBRUARY 2, 2025

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. >> I HAD SOMEBODY ELSE -- SEE HOW THAT GOES. WE'RE DOWN TO NON-ACCOMMODATION

>> ARE WE DOWN TO NON-ACCOMMODATION? I DO HAVE SOMEONE. AT THIS TIME I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT MICHAEL WICKS AS A NON-ACCOMMODATION TOURISM

INDUSTRY MEMBER FOR A FULL TERM >> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0.

>> MR. CHAIR, I THINK THERE IS A CLARIFICATION QUESTION

>> YES. MR. CHAIR, I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THE TERMS OF THE ACCOMMODATION MEMBERS.

BOTH MOTIONS INDICATED THAT THE TERMS WOULD EXPIRE FEBRUARY 2, 2025. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE SUGGESTED MOTIONS HAD A JUNE 20TH 2025 AS PRESENTED BY MS. LUNDQUIST.

I DID WANT TO JUST GET CONFIRMATION THAT YOU INTENDED BOTH OF THOSE TO EXPIRE ON FEBRUARY 2

>> YES, I DID MAKE IT A MOTION BECAUSE I WANT THE FUTURE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME RATHER THAN HAVING -- DO IT AGAIN IN DO IT AGAIN IN FIVE MONTHS

>> THANK YOU. YOU ALSO NEED TO MAKE A MOTION

TO REINSTATE BOARD ROLE 2.202 I >> I MAKE A MOL MOTION TO REINSE

BOARD RULE 2.202C >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DEAN.

PLEASE VOTE. PASSES 5-0.

WE NEED TO GO BACK. I'LL MAKE A MOTION T TO APPOINT VVICE MAYOR JOHN SAMORA FOR A FOUR-YEAR TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE FEBRUARY 2, 2025. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE VOTE

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>> SORRY I MISSED THAT ONE >> NO, IT'S FINE.

THAT COMP CONCLUDES OUR BUSINES. WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC COMMENT

>> PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT WERE NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE HIS OR HER NAME AND ADDRESS. EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND SHALL COMPLY WITH THE BOARD'S RULES OF DECORUM. COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER.

AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD. NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

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I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKERS THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT TO BE ENTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD.

SO WE WILL NOW BEGIN PUBLIC COMMENT.

THERE ARE CALLS WAITING, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH CALLER NUMBER

ONE, GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> TOM REYNOLDS.

550 ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE CONSERVATIVES. THE CONSERVATIVES WHO GAVE AWAY THE COUNTY'S WELFARE, I WANT TO TELL YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THIS COUNTY. THAT'S WHY YOU DID IT.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE PAYING ANYBODY TO COME HERE.

I LIVED IN DIFFERENT PLACES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

I KNOW WH WHAT GOES ON. GET THE MOTORHOME AND GO SEE AND YOU'RE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU HAVE. NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO STRICTLY FOCUS ON NUMBER TWO. I WANT YOU TO FIRE PATRICK MCCORMACK TODAY. I WANT TO REMIND THIS COUNTY COMMISSION WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE REPRESENTED THE CORONER'SOPHI'S OFFICE AND GOT E COUNTY INVOLVED IN THE CONTROVERSIAL -- EVERYBODY KNOWS MURDERED MICHELLE O'CONNELL.

HE WAS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WHEN THE EVIDENCE DISAPPEARED WHEN THE WATER BILL DISAPPEARED. PATRICK MCCORMACK IS NOT AN HONEST COUNTY ATTORNEY. HE PROTECTED JOHNNY CON MAN CANCANLON BECAUSE HE DESTROYED E EVIDENCE.

ALSO, TOO, I WANT TO POINT OUT ANOTHER THING ABOUT COUNTY ATTORNEY PATRIC MCCORMACK, I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSION ABOUT, LET'S SEE, I THINK IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO WHEN DOUG BURNETT DID A 4:45 FRIDAY AFTERNOON DOCUMENT DUMP AND THEN MONDAY WAS A HOLIDAY AND ON TUESDAY THE FIRST ONE UP WAS DOUG BURNETT AND THAT WAS WHEN HE CHANGED THE SETBACK, JEB SUFFICSMITH WAS THERE. THE COUNTY ATTORNEY PATRICK MCCORMACK IS NOT AN -- HE'S A GOOD GUY P. , SEEMS LIKE A NICE.

YOU KNOW WHAT? I GOT TO TELL YOU I'M REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN HIM. YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW HE CAN LOOK IN THE MIRROR KNOWING HE PARTICIPATED IN THE COVER UP OF A MURDER. I'M AMAZED OF THAT.

HE SEEMS NICE, HE S HE'S AS EVIS THEY COME.

NUMBER THREE TODAY, I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

YOU CAN CHEAT US OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS, SO SEPARATE VOTES. YOU JUST KEEP GOING.

BUT I TELL YOU SOMETHING, IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A DISGRACE AS COUNTY COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER. WHAT HE'S DOING TO THIS COUNTY, BLINKING THE LAW ON NOVEMBER 19TH, ROLLING OTHER THE LAW, COUNTY ORDINANCE ON THE HIRING, STATE AND FEDERAL LAW ON HIRING. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, YOU CAN LOOK AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AND LIE TO YOURSELF ALL YOU WANT. BUT YOU'RE NOT OBEYING THE LAW.

YOU'RE NOT AN HONEST COMMISSIONER ANYMORE.

YOU'RE NOT AN OPEN COMMISSION ANYMORE.

AND RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THERE'S NOT ONE SPECK OF TRUST IN THIS COMMISSION. I WANT YOU TO KNOW SOMETHING.

IT COSTS ME $160 TO ATTEND THIS MEETING TODAY BECAUSE I COULDN'T WORK. THE REASON WHY I THOUGHT TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, I REALLY NEED THAT MONEY.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I NEED MORE? I NEED MORE TO KEEP AN EYE ON YOU BECAUSE THAT'S MY JOB. I'M ST. JOHNS COUNTY GOV WATCH, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT I'M WATCHING YOU.

I'M ALWAYS GOING TO REPORT THE TRUTH.

I DON'T HAVE TO LIE, I DON'T HAVE TO EXAGGERATE, I DON'T HAVE

TO -- >> TOM, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, TOM. IS THERE -- OKAY.

WE HAVE ANOTHER CALL WAITING. NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME AND ADDRESS. PUBLIC COMMENT.

GO AHEAD. NAME AND ADDRESS.

GO AHEAD. ANYBODY HOLDING?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIR, THERE HAD BEEN A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC HERE DURING A PORTION OF YOUR MEETING THAT HAD TO LEAVE. SHE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT THAT SHE WAS GOING TO READ INTO THE RECORD.

SHE DID HAVE TO LEAVE. YOU KNOW, HALFWAY -- PART WAY THROUGH THE MEETING. IF THE BOARD WOULD ALLOW, SHE DID HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN YOU DO --

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>> LET'S FINISH GETTING THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT HERE

>> HELLO? >> YEAH, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

GO AHEAD >> 26 JACOB COURT.

PONTE VEDRA. I HAD TO LEAVE EARLY, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT I WANTED TO CIRCLE AROUND.

MR. MCCORMACK, I THINK YOU WERE READY TO READ IT.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS, I'M A MOTHER OF FOUR BOYS.

ALONG WITH OTHER PARENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO PLEAD TO YOU TODAY ABABOUT DEVELOPING HAD COUNTY TN CENTER IN NOCATEE THAT WAS DONATED BY THE DEVELOPER. I PROPOSE TO BUILD A STATE PARK FOR A LARGE GROUP OF YOUTH IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NOW MORE THAN EVER THEY NEED A SAFE PLACE TO HANG OUT WITH THEIR PEERS. I HAVE LIVED IN NOCATEE AND I CONTSTACONSTANTLY HEAR PEOPLE PG ABOUT YOUTH.

I HEAR BUSINESSES COMPLAIN THAT SKATEBOARDERS SCARE SHOPPERS AWAY. I HEAR PARENTS COMPLAIN THEY DRIVE 40 MINUTES AWAY TO GET THEIR CHILDREN TO A SKATE PARK FOR A FEW HOURS. I HAVE ALWAYS A FULL CAR LOAD EVERY TIME I GO. SEVEN KIDS AND MYSELF BECAUSE THTHAT'S THE ONLY LOAD MY MINIVN CAN CARRY.

WE'RE A WORKING FAMILY SO HAVING TIME TO MAKE THE TRIP TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND FRANKLY, SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESSES WHILE WE'RE THERE WITH SKATE PARKS IS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

I HEAR ABOUT MY KIDS AND THEIR FRIENDS BEING SHOOED AWAY FROM LOCAL PARKING LOTS BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I FEEL WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AS A COMMUNITY AND SOLVE THESE COMPLAINTS BY DEVELOPING THE DONATED LAND INTO A STATE OF THE ART SKATE PARK ALONG WITH OTHER TWIIACTIVITIES SUCH AS RUNNING TRACKS, TENNIS COURTS. IF YOUR TOWN DOESN'T HAVE A SKATE PARK, IT IS ONE. WITHOUT DESIGNATED SKATE PARKS, SKATE BOARDERS WILL MAKE USE OF ANY TERRAIN IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

THIS OFTEN INCLUDES THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF OA HOMEOWNERS AND LL BUSINESSES AND DOWNTOWN PLAZAS. THEY CAN CHIP CONCRETE CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN DAMAGE EVERY YEAR.

PUBLIC SKATE PARKS ARE A WIN-WIN BECAUSE SKATE BOARDERS HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO SUPPORT THEIR PASSION WHILE LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUSINESS OWNERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS NO LONGER HAVE TO SPEND TIME, MONEY AND ENERGY SHOOING SKATE BOARDERS AWAY FROM THEIR PROPERTY. IT KEEPS YOU HEALTHY AND PHYSICALLY FIT. FINDINGAAN ACTIVITY THAT KEEPS KIDS IN SHAPE IS IMPORTANT IN THIS TIME OF A HEALTH CRISIS.

THE MAJORITY OF INJURIES HAPPEN OUTSIDE SKATE PARKS.

THE MOST COMMON INJURIES ARE DUE TO COLLISIONS WITH MOTOR VEHICLES OR PEDESTRIANS. SKATE BOARDING IN BUSY PARKING LOTS IS DANGEROUS FOR OUR YOUTH --

>> MAYBE IT'S THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

>> BEING -- >> YEAH?

>> THREE MINUTES ARE UP. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION

>> I STILL HAVE 25 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU.

YOU USED THREE MINUTES. WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

THERE IS -- >> WELL, I DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING CUT OFF BECAUSE I STILL HAVE TIME.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WE HAVE ONE OTHER CALL IN. I THINK.

MAYBE NOT. GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE ROBERT KENNEDY ONCE INSCRIBED ONE OF HIS BOOKS TO SEGREGATION OF A CENTER JAMES L. EASTLAND AND HE WROTE INSIDE THE FRONT CORNER OF BOOK, REPENT NOW, THERE IS STILL TIME.

I AM REALLY ASHAMED THAT YOU HAVE NOT ADJUSTED WHAT YOU WRONGFULLY DID IN VIOLATION OF ITS FIRST AMENDMENT AND VIOLATION OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES PUTTING OUR GENERAL COMMENE VERY END OF THE MEETING NOT JUST FOR PUBLIC HEALTH BUT ALL MEETINGS. IT IS A SIN.

A CRIME AND YOU NEEDS TO REPENT NOW.

ROBERT KENNEDY ALSO SAID NOT ENOUGH TO ALLOW DISSENT, WE MUST DEMAND IT BECAUSE MUCH TO DISSENT OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY AND PLEASUREINGS. YOU JUST VOTED TO POLE VAULT DEVELOPER, A HOE AT THE TIMEIER REPRESENTATIVE AND MA THAT IS WHAT YOU VOTED TO DO. 5-0 ON SAMUEL ROY BLEVINS.

I TOLD YOU THAT THE PACKET. THAT PATEL SAID THAT MR. BL BLEVINS WAS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. FLORIDA STATUTE 112.313 OF CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. MANY TIMES MR. BLEVIN ALSO BE

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MR. PATEL HAS GIVEN THE GAME AWAY.

HE SAID THAT MR. BLEVINS IS HIS REPRESENTATIVE.

ALSO FEBRUARY 4 MARKS THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF THE DAY THAT THIS BOARD ILLEGALLY RUBBER STAMPED THE ILLEGALLY HIRING OF CONRAD AS ADMINISTRATOR WITHOUT ANY POSTING AND ANY KIND OF ADVERTISING TO INVITE WOMEN AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS TO AND IT IS OF THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. YOU HIRED MR. GIAMACO DONE AT A MEETING WHERE MR. CONRAD SAID WE WANT TO HIRE THIS GUY AND YOU VOTED TO DO IT AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT DOES NOT SHOW RESPECT FOR OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS THAT MY FATHER TOOK SHRAPNEL IN THE KNEE FOR.

SIT UP STRAIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. START LOOKING, MR. VICE-CHAIRMAN. STOP APPROVING CORPORATIONS TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES. AND I AM THINKING IT ALL DATES BACK TO THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY HAS A LOBBYIST.

THOMAS MARTIN FERO JR. WHO IS A PAID $50,000 FROM THE COUNTY AND NOBODY RESPONDED TO THIS. MR. FARINTINO REPRESENTS THE DEVELOPER AND NOCATY, THE DA DAVIS, JTA, JACKSONVILLE, ALL SORTS OF DEVELOPERS AND WE DON'T HAVE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY TO THIS DAY LOBBYIST DISCLOSURE.

THEY STAYED IT WOULD BE BU BURDENSOME FOR CORPORATIONS TO PAY $25 APIECE A YEAR TO HAVE THEIR LOBBYIST.

AND THAT IS A JOKE, FIVE WHITE MALE DIVERSITIES NONE NO INTEREST IN THE FACT THAT -- AND THEY HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES CALL-IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

IT SHOWS ZERO ON MY SCREEN. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO IN-HOUSE PUBLIC COMMENT. LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE. YES, MA'AM.

>> BJ CALATY, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE ST. AUGUSTINE.

THE UNDERSERVED PART OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

NUMBER ONE, RESCIND MANDATORY MASKS IN THE COUNTY BUILDINGS.

NUMBER TWO, HOW MANY COUNTY EMPLOYEES TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID-19. THE SCHOOL HAS GIVEN OUT THAT INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO IGNORE IT. THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC.

FREE TESTING. COVID FOR INDIANA INSURED.

SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AT CVS ST STORES.

PAY ATTENTION. CALL 1-844-239-6927.

YOU MAY BE REFERRED TO 1-866 389-2727.

CVS MAY BE MORE CONVENIENT THAN WHAT THE COUNTY HAS SET UP EVEN THOUGH THAT IS APPRECIATED. MAKING MOTIONS BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT CONTINUES TO SHOW DISRESPECT TO TAXPAYERS.

MOVING GENERAL COMMENT TO THE END OF MEETING IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE PUBLIC. DESTROYING ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS SO FLAGLER RESIDENTS AND OTHERS CAN MOVE TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS IGNORING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THOSE WHO -- WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR YEARS.

AND IT'S INTERESTING. EVERYONE WHO HAS TO LEAVE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE MR. MCCORMICK READ THEIR GENERAL COMMENTS IF THAT IS A NEW PROCEDURE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT AROUND LISTENING TO EVERYTHING ELSE BECAUSE THEIR MORE IMPORTANT AND YOU HAVE TO HEAR THEM FIRST AND YOU WANT TO HEAR US AT THE END IF WE DARE TO STAY.

IF THAT IS GOING GIVEN TO SOMEBODY, MISS JONES, IT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO EVERYBODY SO WE CAN LEAVE AND HE CAN READ ALL THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO IT.

BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

IN CLOSING, I THINK THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THIS, AND JUST IN CASE THEY HAVE MISSED IT. SHAME ON THE THREE POLITICAL VOTING BLOCK THAT SITS UP HERE. NOW I AM NOT GOING TO NAME, BUT YOU ALL CAN STAND UP BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE TOO.

BUT DO NOT GET DISCOURGED. DO NOT GET DISCOURAGED.

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THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I WILL KEEP ASKING.

THANK YOU. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK Y YOU. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. I THINK THAT COMPLETES GENERAL

PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TODAY. >> OKAY, WE WILL GO INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. MR. CONRAD, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GET WITH MISS CALADY AND ANSWER HER QUESTION.

>> I DID NOT GET WITH HER HOW MUCH STAFF MEMBERS HAVE COVID.

>> SHE HAS NOT ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY.

>> PLEASE AFFORD THE OPPORTUNITY SPEAK TO HER.

I AM GOING TO ADDRESS -- I NORMALLY DON'T ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT BUT A LOT OF COMMENTS OF THIS BOARD FOLLOWING FLORIDA STATUTE AND FLORIDA LAW. I WILL GO OVER IT BRIEFLY AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY DID AS W WELL.

FOR ANY THAT CARES, THERE IS A VARIETY OF CASE LAW THAT ACTUALLY COVERS PUBLIC COMMENT. WHAT GOVERNS FLORIDA STATUTE 286-114. THOMAS VERSUS HOWS, ROE VERSUS CITY OF COCOA, VERSUS CITY OF DAYTONA.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT WERE RESTRICTING ELIMINATING PUBLIC COMMENT COMPLETELY. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT BRINGS UP A COMPLAINT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE STILL HEARD THEIR COMMENT ON EVERY SINGLE AGENDA ITEM.

THIS BOARD IS HERE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS BOARD IS HERE TO DEAL WITH -- THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING.

WE ARE GOING TO BE ORDERLY ON HOW WE ADDRESS MATTERS.

WHEN MATTERS COME, THE PUBLIC IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME.

WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BUT WE ARE NOT WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS' SCHEDULES. WE ARE HERE TO HANDLE BUSINESS.

THIS BOARD VOTED 5-0 ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR ATTORNEY TO MAKE THIS DECISION. PERSONAL COMMENTS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL COMMISSION REMEMBERS WELCOME.

OPINIONS ABOUT HOW WE DO THINGS IS -- WE USE VERBIAGE SPECIFICALLY SAYING THIS BOARD HAS VIOLATED THE LAW, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, FOR THOSE COMMENTS.

AND COMMISSIONERS -- AND I KNOW THAT THE LISTENING PUBLIC.

I DID WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND EVEN AS WE HEARD FROM ONE OF THE SPEAKERS TODAY, IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC PROCESS.

I WILL SAY THOUGH IN GENERAL IN MY OPINION AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, THIS BOARD PROVIDES ABOVE AND BEYOND -- WELL BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND LET ME GIVE SOME EXAMPLES. FIRST OF ALL, THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ANY ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA OR THE BOARD NOT TAKING ACTION ON, THAT IS NOT REQUIRED WHAT WHATSOEVER, YET IN BOARD DOES IT.

AND I THINK WISELY DOES IT BECAUSE THE BOARD GETS GOOD INPUT. IT CANNING DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, HALFWAY THROUGH THE MEETING AND THE END OF THES ME. A NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS, AREA JURISDICTION THAT'S DO IT TOWARD THE END OR THE END OF THE MEETING. THAT IS NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, THIS BOARD GENERALLY PROVIDES PUBLIC COMMENT EACH TIME AN ITEM COMES UP.

THERE ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ORDINANCES GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF ORDINANCE LIKE A NOISE ORDINANCE OR WHAT NOT THAT HAVE TWO READINGS, THIS BOARD PROVIDES PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE FIRST -- THE FIRST READING OR THE FIRST TIME THE BOARD HEAR IT IS AND, AGAIN, AT THE SECOND TIME.

THAT IS A GOOD PRACTICE THIS BOARD DOES.

BUT THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY L LAW.

IT ONLY HAS TO BE HEARD ONCE AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE HEARD AT THE FINAL ADOPTION OR INACTMENT HEARING.

IT JUST HAS TO BE HEARD ONCE DURING THE PROCESS IN A REASONABLE TIME. THAT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE THIS BOARD PROVIDES -- AND I THINK WISELY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT THAN IS REQUIRED BY L LAW.

AND SO, I THINK TO HEAR THE ATTACKS ON THIS BOARD ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT AND CHEATING OUT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, THIS BOARD PROVIDES WELL AND ABOVE THE REQUIRED PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMICK.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD ON THIS ISSUE?

COMMISSIONER? >> I THOUGHT SHE RAISED A GOOD POINT ABOUT OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE WILL BE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO

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IS THAT A PROCESS THAT WILL BE ALLOWED MOVING FORWARD AND SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE IS NO PRECEDENT FOR THAT?

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CORRECT, I BELIEVE MR. MCCORMICK BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

WE SAID WE WILL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT FROM AUDIENCE.

I DON'T THINK WE READ THAT. >> IN FACT THE WOMAN WAS ABLE TO CALL BACK IN. MRS. JONES WHO CALLED BACK IN.

YOU KNOW FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT SHOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT. I GUESS IF IT IS DONE ON A CASE BY CASE. IT MAY GO TO THE MAYOR WHAT THE COMMENT WAS. IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY RECOMMENDATION. WE HAD A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC STAY FOR A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION. HAD A WRITTEN STATEMENT.

NOT SURE IF SHE WOULD DO THE CALL IN THROUGH.

I INDICATED TO HER I WOULD ASK IF IT COULD BE READ IN.

I DON'T THINK THE BOARD SHOULD MAKE A BLANKET RULE THAT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO DO THAT, BUT, AGAIN, THE BOARD BEING UP AND ABOVE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCRETION IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON -- IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I SHOULD MENTION ALSO THAT WRITTEN COMMENT, E-MAILS TO THE BOARD, THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE, THAT IS PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL.

AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT OUR BOARD, YOU KNOW, DOES REVIEW THOSE E- E-MAILS. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. JUST TO YOUR REPORT.

IF YOU REFERENCE BROWN VERSUS THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE.

THE STILL OF JACKSONVILLE PROVIDED IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT IT NEEDED TO BE IN WRITING.

WE DON'T DO THAT. WE ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME UP AND DO THAT. MY INTENT WHEN MR. MCCORMICK BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE WOULD HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD TO SEE IF WE WANTED TO READ THE WRITTEN COMMENT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> MY CONCERN IS WE DON'T INVITE PEOPLE TO SUBMIT AND WE

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THAT IS THE ONLY THING. >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN? COMMISSIONER SMITH? OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO COMMISSION REPORT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRAN. FOOD FOR NEW AT.

PLANNING CONTINUES FOR MINI CROPS IN HASTINGS, POTATOES, BROCCOLI, CABBAGE. HARVEST IN COLD CROPS ARE, CABBAGE, BROCCOLI, CAULIFLOWER HARVESTED IN HASTINGS.

LIKEWISE, WE WANT TO SAY GRATEFUL FOR THE RAIN.

IRRIGATION SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED, AND THAT HAS BEEN NOT AS NECESSARY WITH THE RECENT RAINS WE HAVE.

CITRUS HARVEST IS SUCCESSFUL AND I JUST WANT TO SAY BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL QUALITY OF CROP -- NOT A LOT OF QUANTITY OF VERY YOUNG GROW THAT HAS ESTABLISHED IN HASTINGS.

THE FIRST COMMERCIAL GROVE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WAS IN ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY. AND IT IS NICE HAVE CITRUS -- COMMERCIAL CITRUS BACK. WE ASK FOLKS TO BE VIGILANT.

EQUIPMENT IS MOVING AND OF OFTENTIMES IS SLOW IN THAT SOUTHWESTERN PART OF THE CO COUNTY.

BE PATIENT AND BE CAREFUL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> HENRY DEAN: NO COMMENT TODAY.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

.> CHRISTIAN >> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DISCUSS IMPACT FEE CREDITS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

STAFF HAD BROUGHT UP TO ME THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO A RIGHT-OF-WAY MAP FOR FUTURE ROAD NEEDS.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY -- IF THIS BOARD HAD ANY -- WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF FOR WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL AND WHAT BENEFIT IT GIVES US.

GOING IN WE KNOW IF SAY RACETRACK WOULD BE FOUR LANE.

RIGHT-OF-WAY DISTANCE WOULD BE SET BEFORE DEVELOPMENT AND REZONING OCCURRED. SO KIND OF GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO KNOW WHAT WAS COMING OR MAY BE COMING.

JUST WANT TO GET BOARD'S THOUGHTS ON THAT.

AND I HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS.

WELL, SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AT A FUTURE MEETING IF WE HAVE

A LOT OF INFORMATION. >> I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE MONEY WELL SPENT TO SPEND MONEY EARLY ON FUTURE RIGHT-OF-WAYS. BECAUSE, I MEAN, ONE THING WE CAN COUNT ON IN FLORIDA IN GENERAL IS THAT REAL ESTATE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO UP. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO PURSUE THAT DISCUSSION AND DO SOMETHING IN THAT ARENA.

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>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A VALUE TO THE PROPERTY BEFORE IT IS REZONED AND WHAT THEY OWN IT FOR NOW AND WHOEVER RUN IT IS AT THIS TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> JEB SMITH: COMMISSIONER CALDERON WALDRON. IN DEVELOPMENT.

WE END UP PURCHASING IT AT A HIGHER VALUE THAN WHAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE WITHOUT THAT REZONING.

AND I THINK THAT -- THAT IS NOT A VERY WISE OR PRUDENT THING TO DO. I THINK THAT PLAN SOMETHING GOOD; HOWEVER, THAT IS A DIFFICULT THING TO DO AND ACCOMPLISH TOO BECAUSE YOU ARE PUTTING IN PLACE SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE BANKING ON TOO, WHICH IS I THINK A DANGEROUS THING WHEN IT COMES TO PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND MERIT AND

IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER:

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: ANYTHING THAT CAN GIVE US A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT IS COMING IN THE FUTURE IS HELPFUL AND PRODUCTIVE.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: COMMISSIONER WALDRON, WOULD IT

BE -- WE COULD ASK MR. CONRAD. >> PAUL WALDRON: I DON'T NEED A BIG EDUCATION BECAUSE I NEED TO BE MORE EDUCATED THAN I AM

ON IT. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: I THINK IT WOULD BE TOO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM FULLY VERSED ON SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH

RAISE AS GOOD POINT. >> PROS AND CONS AND I WOULD

LIKE TO HEAR BOTH SIDES. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: YES, SIR.

>> A WHILE BACK DISCUSSED MAKING CHANGES OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR SMALL PIECES OF OR LAND AND FAMILY FARMS. TRYING TO CLEAN UP THAT A LITTLE BIT AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AS FAMILY MEMBERS PASS AWAY. THAT LAND IS NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSFERABLE. AND THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU OWN SOMETHING THAT IS TANGIBLE. OFF DEED.

IN MY OPINION, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SELL IT.

BUT THAT'S -- I KNOW HE HAD ASKED STAFF -- AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROGRESS WE HAVE IF WE CAN MAYBE GET A REPORT ON THAT FOR

THE FUTURE. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU DON'T MIND I HAVE ASKED FOR SEVERAL TIMES HAVE A MEETING WITH THE FAMILY FARM PROVISION AND IT HAS NOT WORKED OUT. AND I HAVE A VERY STRONG OPINION THAT I VOICED HERE DURING COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE. WE NEED TIME TO DISCUSS -- IT HAS NOT -- NOT COME TO FRUITION YET.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DROPPING IT.

>> WE HAD ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS SCHEDULED LAST THURSDAY AND IT

DID NOT WORK OUT. >> IF HE IS WORKING ON IT, LET HIM WORK ON IT AND WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT LATER.

THE OTHER THING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID IT, NUMBER 18, THE CREDIT CARD FEES FOR AMBULANCE USE, I AM ASSUMING. WHY ARE WE NOT PASSING THAT ON TO THE CONSUMER LIKE THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE DOES? THE CLERK'S OFFICE DOES? ALL THE OTHER OFFICES DO? JUST AN ANSWER. YOU CAN SEND TO ME.

>> WE WILL GET YOU AN E-MAIL OR ANSWER PUBLICLY IN THE NEXT

MEETING. >> IT NEEDS BOARD POLICY CHANGE. THAT'S IT.

>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

GUILT THROUGH VERY BRIEFLY AND WE ARE GETTING INTO THE LUNCH HOUR. I WANT TO BRIEFLY BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION APPROACHED BY HARDRICK AND THE FIRE CHIEF WITH A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING A PORTION OF THE AGENDA IN THE BEGINNING TO ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY.

VERY -- TWO OR THREE MINUTES WHERE THEY CAN COME UP AND BRING TO OUR ATTENTION ANY SPECIFIC ISSUES THEY ARE DEALING WITH. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THESE AGENCIES.

RECENTLY A YOUNG LADY FOUND BY THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND I THINK SOME UPDATES THAT THE SHERIFF IS HOPING TO PROVIDE TO US PUBLICLY. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE UP AS A BOARD TO PUT ON THE AGENDA.

WHAT I WOULD ENVISION BASED ON MY CONVERSATIONS, A BRIEF MEETING AND CAN BRIEFLY ADD ADDRESS.

A PUBLIC SAFETY BRIEF AND GIVE US A VERY BRIEF UPDATE ON WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION COLLECTIVELY.

WE COULD HEAR THAT AND IF WE NEED TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION WE AS A BOARD COULD ADDRESS AND PREFACE THIS.

NO ANTICIPATED BOARD ACTION THAT CAN BE REQUIRED.

AN UPDATE TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.

WE CAN INCLUDE MR. GIAMACO. AND PRUDENT AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION WHETHER THERE IS CONSENSUS TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. IS THERE -- COMMISSIONER SMITH,

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>> MR. CHAIR, SOME OF THOSE START THINGS AT THE BEGINNING

OR AN AGENDA NUMBER? >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: NOW THAT I HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE BO BOARD, I WILL GET WITH MR. CONRAD AND YOURSELF AND DISCUSS WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE.

MY VISION WILL BE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING SHORTLY AFTER THE INNOVATION OR PRELIMINARY BUSINESS.

MR. >> JEB SMITH: SMITH I WANT TO SAY SURE A BLESSING TO HAVE SHERIFF HARDWICK HERE AND VERY PARTICIPATORY AND INCLUSIVE ON ALL THE THINGS HE DOES HAVE.

AND HIS REPRESENTATION AND HAVING FOLKS HERE AND HIS COMMITMENT HAS BEEN OUTSTANDING AND THUS FAR, A EXTREME PLEASURE TO WORK WITH AND THANK YOU TO HIM AND TO HIS STAFF.

A BLESSING. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: ABSOLUTELY. I ECHO THESE COMMENTS AS WELL.

VERY IMPORTANT WORK WITH MR. HARD.

RICK AND THE CONSISTENT DAILY UPDATES AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAFE AND TAKEN CARE OF.

VERY BRIEFLY TO UPDATE OUR BOARD.

WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WHAT I ASKED MR. MCCORMICK AND MR. CONRAD IS SPECIFICALLY THE PARAMETERS OF THE MEETING SINCE IT IS A JOINT MEETING AND WE HAVE HAD THEM IN THE PAST. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS ARE IF ACTION IS TAKEN.

WE ENVISION THIS AS A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS AND ASK MR. MCORMICK IF HE CAN ADDRESS IT NOW IF HE WANTS HIS COMMENTS. AND I WILL ASK HIM TO BRIEF US COLLECTIVELY AS A BODY AND WHAT THE LIMITS OF THE MEETING IS.

THAT WAY WE ARE ORDERLY, PRECISE AND ON POINT AND ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR ISSUES THAT ARE BRINGING IT TOGETHER.

MR. MCCORMICK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO

BRIEF IT NOW. >> VERY BRIEFLY.

>> AND MR. CONRAD AS WELL. >> AND MR. CHAIR AND COMEDIES, VERY BRIEFLY AND I WILL MAKE KNEES COMMENTS TOMORROW.

BUT A JOINT MEETING OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMEDIES AND THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND -- AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS APPROVED AND ON THE STAFF LEVEL, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE A SEPARATE AGENDA.

AND I THINK EVEN IN THE BEGINNING, WE WILL MAKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS FOR ROLL CALL. USUALLY OUR CLERK OF COURT DOES THAT AND THEY HAVE EITHER THE SUPERINTENDENT OR ONE OF THEIR STAFF DO THEIR ROLL CALL, SO JUST HOUSE CLEANING THINGS LIKE THAT. THEN FOR THE ACTUAL MERITS OF THE MEETING FOR THE AGENDA ITEMS, YOUR MEETING -- THE MEETING WAS ADVERTISED AS A MEETING.

IT MAY HAVE, I GUESS, THE SPIRIT OF A WORKSHOP TIME TH THING, BUT TECHNICALLY IT WAS ADVERTISED THAT SHOULD THIS BOARD WISH TO TAKE ACTION ON SOME PARTICULAR ACTION, IT COULD. IN FACT THE NOTICE ITSELF SAYS THAT THE BOARD MAY TAKE ACTION OR ITEMS THAT REASONABLY COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THAT. THE SCHOOL BOARD, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, DID THEIR OWN ADVERTISEMENT.

AND THEY ADVERTISED IT AS A MEETING FOR ANY ACT TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL ACT TYPE OF THING. THE SAME TYPE AS YOUR MEETINGS IN THAT IT WOULD BE. FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TAKE AN ACTION IT WILL HAVE TO BE A MAJORITY OF A QUORUM PRESENT TO TAKE A SUB STAND CITY OF ACT.

AND IT WOULD BE AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE ARE TEN IN ATTENDANCE AND THEY ARE SORT OF IN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS TO TAKE ACTION X, TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION ON ITEM X, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD WILL HAVE TO DO A VOTE ON IT, POSITIVE VOTE OF A QUORUM AND SHOULD THE SCHOOL BOARD WISH TO TAKE ACTION THEY WILL HAVE A POSITIVE ACTION OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.

IT WILL NOT BE THE MAJORITY OF THE TEN.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT A LEGAL ENTITY PER SE.

IT IS REALLY THE TWO BOARDS -- INDIVIDUAL BOARDS IN A JOINT MEETING BUT THERE ARE STILL INDIVIDUAL BOARDS.

MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT COVERS THE GRAVAMEN OF IT.

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>> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: >> I SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR MR.

MCCORMICK? >> I WANT TO MENTION THAT MAYBE ALL OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE SAME TYPE AND OR NUMBER OF E-MAILS I HAVE GOTTEN THE LAST TWO WEEKS AGO REGARDING ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY FOREST AND THE CURRENT SITUATION APPARENTLY IS THERE IS NO LONGER A SCHOOL BUS SERVICE THAT IS BEING PROVIDED.

AND SEVERAL PARENTS HAVE EXPRESSED EXTREME CONCERN OF SAFETY, DANGER TO THEIR CHILDREN.

AND JUST BY COINCIDENCE I VERY SELDOM GET SCHOOL BOARD QUESTIONS DIRECTED TO ME AND AT LEAST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

GOING INTO THIS JOINT MEETING, I WOULD SUGGEST TODAY THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE SEVERAL -- MAYBE SEVERAL PARENTS -- CONCERNED PARENT MAYBE COMING TO THIS JOINT MEETING AND IF SO, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR EITHER US OR THE SCHOOL BOARD STAFF TO MAYBE BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS THAT AS POSSIBLE.

I AM NOT SURE THAT WE CAN TAKE ANY ACTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE GIVE SOME FEEDBACK TO THESE PARENTS THAT ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED OF THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILDREN IN THIS -- IN THIS AREA. AND I KNOW THIS -- I THINK, CHRISTIAN, YOU HAVE RECEIVED SOME OF THE SIMILAR NOTES FROM CONCERNED PARENTS AND KIND OF IN YOUR BACK YARD ALMOST.

>> IF I CAN ADDRESS THAT BRIEFLY.

WHAT I ASKED STAFF TO DO IS INVITE ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS WILL TOUCH ON POTENTIAL REZONING AND VICTIM YOKES AND IN ATTENDANCE.

>> REDISTRICTING. >> REDISTRICTING.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE A NUMBER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HERE AS WELL AS STAFF AND AS WELL AS -- IS THAT

CORRECT, MR. CONRAD? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER DEAN, I SPOKE WITH MR. FOREN AT LENGTH YESTERDAY ABOUT THEY SPECIFICALLY THIS ISSUE. I WON'T GET INTO TE WEEDS.

THAT WILL BE FOR THE BOARD TOMORROW.

I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS AN OPINION AND WILL ELABORATE THAT TOMORROW. I WILL LEAVE THAT TO THEM AND THEIR PREROGATIVE AND NOT MINE TO OPINE TODAY.

I THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL RESPOND TO THAT TOMORROW,

COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THEY ALSO -- THE SCHOOL BOARD HOLDS HEARINGS WHEN THEY ARE CHANGING BUS ROUTES OR GOING AWAY FROM BUS ROUTES.

AND I ATTENDED ONE WHEN THAT GROUP WAS THERE SPEAKING FOR THIS. AND I AM A LIAISON AND CAN'T VOTE, BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SCHOOL BOARD DOES HAVE HEARINGS ON IT AND THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE BUS ROUTE EVERY YEAR. YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY HAVE A TWO-MILE OR LESS -- TO WALK TO SCHOOL OR FIND TRANSPORTATION.

SAME THING TODAY. WE HAVE A DEVELOP APPROVED THAT WILL HAVE TO WALK ACROSS. WE WILL HAVE STUDENTS WALK ACROSS 16, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND 16 TO HIGH SCHOOL.

YEAH. THEY HAVE A WALKWAY, BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO WALK TO THE OTHER SCHOOLS EVEN THOUGH THE BUSES START RIGHT THERE. SO WHO KNOWS, BUT THAT IS UP TO

THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> THANK YOU, MR. WALDRON.

ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? I WANT TO AGAIN VERY BRIEFLY BRING UP -- AS YOU KNOW TWO FBI AGENTS THAT WERE KILLED THIS MORNING.

NOT SURE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT I THINK THAT IS JUST A REMINDER OF THE TERRIBLE RISK THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS TAKE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC AND OFFER THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS TO THE FAMILIES OF THOSE OFFICERS KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY. IF WE COULD AND IF IT WILL BE

APPROPRIATE, COMMISSIONER. >> JEB SMITH: SMITH FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR HEARING AND ANSWERING OUR PRAYERS ACCORDING TO YOUR WILL. AND FATHER THANKFUL THAT YOU ARE A GOD OF ALL COMFORT. LORD WE PRAY FOR THE FAMILY OF THESE WHO SUFFERED LOSS TODAY. FATHER, WE PRAY FOR YOUR HAND OF GRACE, MERCY AND LORD, YOUR COMFORT AND FROM YOUR COMFORTER TO BE UPON THEM. FATHER, WE ALSO PRAY FOR THE PROTECTIVE HAND OF THOSE IN SERVICE AND FRONT LINE AND IN A DANGEROUS SOCIETY. AND LORD WITH ANGER, WRATH AND HATE. FATHER WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO BE A GOD THAT WE CAN TRUST WITH ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH YOUR

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THANK YOU FOR HIS DEATH, OUR SINS, HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION AND IN HIS PRECIOUS NAME I PRAY, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

MR. CONRAD. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU

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ADDRESSING MISS COLADY'S QUESTION.

REACHED OUT TO STAFF. WE HAD THE NUMBER OF 184 EMPLOYEES WHO HAD COVID SINCE THE BEGIN.

THAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT 184. A QUICK UPDATE ON THE COVID VACCINE ADMINISTRATION. THINGS CONTINUE TO GO WELL AT THE SITE. INCALORIE CREASED THE NUMBER WE CAN DO DAILY AND HOURLY. AND ALONG WITH CITY FIRE AND VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE STEPPED UP TO SUPPORT ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF NUMBERS FOR CONTEXT. 32,000 VACCINES IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. FOR THE LISTENING PUBLIC AND THOSE WHO ARE AWARE. ALATCH SHAH OR MARION COUNTY HAVE DONE. WE ARE NOT TAKING INTO CONTEXT THE SENIOR POPULATIONS AND WHAT THOSE ARE AND HOW MANY FIT IN THAT CRITERIA. A NUMBER BEING ADMINISTERED AND VERY CLOSE TO POLK AND SEMINOLE COUNTY WHICH ARE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. YOUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT TEAM.

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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> JEREMIAH BLOCKER: THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. MR. MCCORMICK.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ONE MATTER.

AND A LITTLE BIT OF HO HOUSEKEEPING AND A DESCRIPTION.

IN CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 20 WHICH IS THE HFA BOND.

THE AGENDA ITEM ITSELF HAD -- HAD INDICATED THAT THE HFA FINAL DECISION PAPER WORK WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT IS WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM HAD SAID AND THE FINAL HFA DECISION WILL BE INCLUDED.

AND I DID WANT TO FOR A MOMENT REVISIT THE SUMMERHAVEN ITEM AND DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THAT AND ONE OF THE APPEAL MATTERS. AND RIGHT THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, ROUX RIGHT-OF-WAY AREA THAT HAS BEEN DESTROYED WAS APPEALED FOR ASSISTANCE. THAT WAS DECIDE.

THE COUNTY APPEALED THAT. THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION IS THE PROJECT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY FROM THAT.

AND A LETTER OF THE APPEAL. THE BASIS OF THE COUNTY APPEAL OF FEMA'S DENIAL IS THAT RATHER THAN ISSUING THE DENIAL FOR THE ENTIRE -- THE ENTIRE PROJECT, IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR FEMA TO ISSUE AN PARTIAL APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT FOR THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT RELATED -- RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION OF THE VEGETATIVE DUNE. REALLY THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF THE APPEAL THE VEGETATIVE DUNE AND THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL.

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