Jan 19, 2021 Board of County Commissioners

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES.

[Regular Agenda]

>> AND I VOTE YES ALSO. THAT PASSES.

LET'S MOVE TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

AND LET ME ASK IF THERE ARE ANY DELETIONS, ADDITIONS OR CHANGES?

>> COMMISSIONER

>> NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> NO MR. VICE CHAIR. >> MR. WHITEHURST?

>> NO. AND I HAVE NONE.

SO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA AS IS? BEFORE WE VOTE? PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. SEEING NONE.

WE WILL THEN COMMISSIONER

>> YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER

[1. Art in Public Spaces Program Update.]

>> YES. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. AND I VOTE YES ALSO.

SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE READY TO TAKE UP AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I AM CRISTINA PARRISH STONE, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE JOHNS HOPKINS ART COUNCIL.

THE CULTURAL COUNCIL IS GRATEFUL FOR OUR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. WE SERVED AS THE DESIGNATED ART COUNCIL. WE PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS AND CULTURAL ORGANIZATIONS AND ENSURE THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO THE COUNTY HAVE ACCESS TO THE ARTS. WE ALSO PROVIDE DESTINATION MARKETING SERVICES FOR CULTURAL TOURISTS AND ADMINISTER THE ARTS, CULTURE AND HERITAGE PROMS. THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ALL OF THIS WORK IS TO ENSURE THE CULTURAL SCENE IS THRIVING. ARTS, CULTURE AND HERITAGE IS A ECONOMIC DRIVER WITH A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. OUR VISITORS WHO BRING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO LOCAL REVENUES, PROVIDE THE SOURCE OF INCOME FOR MANY RESIDENTS TELL US THEY COME AND KEEP COMING BACK TO ST.

JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE OF OUR RICH CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT.

WE BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET BECAUSE OF RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN TWO RECENTLY COMPLETED TOURIST STUDIES. IN 2019, THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL COMMISSIONED A MUSIC STUDY TO SEE HOW TO LEVERAGE SUCCESS OF EVENTS. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS THE COUNTY SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PAID PUBLIC PERFORMANCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL MUSICIANS.

LAST SUMMER THE CULTURAL COMMISSION ASSESSED OUR CULTURAL ASSETS AND MARKET THE COUNTY TO CULTURAL TRAVELERS.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER WALDRON SHARED THE INFORMATION GLEANED FROM THAT STUDY IN NOVEMBER. THE MARKETING REVIEW SHOWED WHILE WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME OF THE RICHEST CULTURAL ASSETS IN OUR COUNTRY, THERE ARE THINGS TO BETTER CURATE AND SUPPORT THE ASSETS WITH TRAVELERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS MISSING. OPPORTUNITIES FOR VISITORS TO EXPERIENCE PERFORMING AND VISUAL ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES.

OUR CURRENT ART AND PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAM IS LIMITED TO THE ROTUNDA OF THIS BUILDING OPEN ONLY DURING WEEKDAY BUSINESS HOURS. THE PROGRAM RECEIVES NO COUNTY

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FUNDING AND PARTICIPATING ARTISTS RECEIVE ONLY A SMALL STIPEND FROM NONCOUNTY FUNDS THAT DOES NOT EVEN COVER THE COST FOR PREPARING THEIR WORK FOR EXHIBITION.

ONLY VISUAL ARTISTS MAY PARTICIPATE AND THE LIMITED HOURS MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO VIEW THE ART.

WE BELIEVE THIS SHOULD INCLUDE ART AND OTHER BUILDINGS IN OUR PARKS AND PUBLIC SPACES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

I HOPE OVER TIME WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THE COMBINATION OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FUNDING PERHAPS INCLUDING A PERCENTAGE FOR OUR PROGRAM SIMILAR TO THOSE UTILIZED BY MANY OTHER FLORIDA COUNTIES, MOST OFTEN SETTING ASIDE ONE HALF OR ONE % OF THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET FOR COUNTY PROJECTS SPECIFICALLY FOR ART TO DRAMATICALLY EXPAND THE ARTS PROGRAM.

TODAY I HAVE A SMALLER REQUEST. THE CULTURAL COUNCIL HAS TAKEN STEPS TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY.

WE ARE CURRENTLY CATALOGING ALL OF THE ART AND PUBLIC SPACES.

STATUTES, MOSAICS AND MORE. A PUBLIC ART MODULE TO INCLUDE PHOTOGRAPHS AND DESCRIPTIONS OF THE ART AND MAPPING TOOLS TO ALLOW VISITORS AND RESIDENTS TO CREATE THEIR OWN PUBLIC ART TOURS, ENCOURAGING THEM TO TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN ADDED TO THAT WEBSITE, HISTORICCOASTCULTURE.COM.

WE HOPE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR.

THE COUNTY COMMUNICATIONS STAFF IS ASSISTING WITH ADDING A PUBLIC ART PAGE TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT THE DIRECT VISITORS TO PUBLIC ART DIRECTLY AND PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT CURRENT EXHIBITIONS. WE HAVE BEGUN WORKING WITH VARIOUS COUNTY STAFF TO EXPLORE WAYS TO ADD ART TO EXISTING PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND OTHER PUBLIC SPACES.

THIS MORNING WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF ADDITIONAL PROGRAM ENHANCEMENTS TO INCLUDE OCCASIONAL WEEKEND HOURS FOR ROTUNDA EXHIBITIONS. THESE WILL BE COORDINATED WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND PROVIDE SECURITY.

EXHIBITION SIGNAGE DESIGNED WITH INPUT FROM COMMUNICATIONS STAFF.

INCREASED STIPENDS FOR PARTICIPATING ARTISTS TO FULLY COVER THEIR COST OF EXHIBITION. PAID PERFORMANCES BY LOCAL MUSICIANS AT EXHIBITION RECEPTIONS AND PRIOR TO COMMISSION MEETINGS, IMPLEMENTING ONE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MUSIC STUDY. A CALL TO LOCAL ARTISTS CREATING PHOTOGRAPHIC WORK CELEBRATING BUSINESSES AND RELATED PARTS OF COUNTY THAT MADE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS DURING OUR 200 YEAR HISTORY. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR MEETING REGARDING SUBJECTS YOU WOULD INCLUDE FROM YOUR RESPECTIVE DISTRICTS. THIS WOULD BE DISPLAYED FOR THE 200 YEAR CELEBRATION AND BECOME THE FIRST PIECE OF A COUNTY ART COLLECTION. SELECTED ARTISTS WILL RECEIVE A STIPEND FOR PARTICIPATING. WE HAVE APPLIED FOR AND ARE UTILIZING GRANTS TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS.

BUT WE ALSO NEED COUNTY SUPPORT AND ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER INITIAL ANNUAL FUNDING OF $5,000 TO COVER THE COST OF ON GOING ART IN PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAMMING WITH AN ADDITIONAL $5,000 IN 2021 ONLY TO SUPPORT THE 200 ANNIVERSARY EXHIBITION.

THIS WILL INCREASE ACCESS TO THE ARTS FOR VISITORS AND RESIDENTS AND WILL ADVANCE THE QUALITY AND REPUTATION OF THE COUNTY'S ART AND PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAM. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST AND WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE AND QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE

WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YES.

COMMISSIONER DEAN THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK AGAIN FOR THE PRESENT EGG.

I THINK THIS IS OUTSTANDING. I THINK ART AND CULTURE IS ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS IN OUR COUNTY.

WE APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

>> LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I WILL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE.

WE HAVE CALLS WAITING I DO BELIEVE.

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IS THERE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE? >> CAN YOU HEAR

>> >> PLEASE PROCEED.

>> GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS, I SUPPORT THE ART IN PUBLIC SPACES PROGRAM. I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT THE PRESENTER SAID. ALSO TOO, YOU KNOW COMMISSIONERS, I SEE WHERE SHE DIDN'T REQUEST ANY MONEY.

YOU KNOW JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REQUEST ANY MONEY, IF YOU LIKE THE PROGRAM DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN OFF MONEY.

NOW COMMISSIONER BLOCKER, YOU KNOW HE THANKED THEM BUT NOTHING SAYS THANK YOU BETTER THAN FUNDING.

AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM GET MORE FUNDING IN THE CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAM.

WE'RE A COUNTY GOING FROM 250,000 PEOPLE TO 500,000 VERY QUICKLY AND WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS.

ANYTHING YOU COULD DO TO HELP THEM IN THIS PROGRAM AND OTHER PROGRAMS AND I WANT TO TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED THE ST. JOHNS CULTURAL COUNCIL TO TAKE OVER THE MUSIC FESTIVAL. I BELIEVE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL, ALTHOUGH I HAVEN'T BEEN TO A MEETING SINCE THIS YOUNG LADY TOOK OVER FOR THE GENTLEMEN, I ALWAYS WANTED THEM TO GO BIGGER SPECIAL HAVE A PLAYHOUSE AND I THINK WE REALLY GOT TO GO BIG INTO CULTURAL ARTS BECAUSE IT REALLY WOULD HELP A COUNTY LIKE THIS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF JOBS AND WE GOT TO ALWAYS KEEP FINDING NEW WAYS TO BRING IN TOURISTS.

NOTHING BRINGS IN A LOT OF CLASSY PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE A STRONG CULTURAL ARTS PROGRAM. I ALWAYS EXPECTED WHEN THEY DO IT IN THE ROTUNDA, EVEN WHEN A YOUNG YELLED AT ME FOR TAKING AN EXTRA DO NUT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM EXPAND AND TAKE OVER THE SUMMER CONCERT AND SEE PLAYS, MUSIC, OPERA COMING TO THE COUNTY. I HOPE WE HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH THEM THIS YEAR AND A WORKSHOP QUICKLY.

THANK YOU COMMISSION. LOOKING FORWARD TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CALLER? NO OTHER CALLERS. PROCEED TO IN HOUSE.

>> OKAY. GOOD MORNING.

>> BJ CLATY. WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

>> I THINK I DID ASK THIS LADY ASK FOR $10,000.

I THINK SHE ASKED FOR $10,000. TAX DOLLARS.

THIS MONEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO THIS PROGRAM.

THE CULTURAL COUNCIL AND THE TAX THEY GET SHOULD COVER THESE THINGS AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN MAYBE THE MUSICIANS CAN WORK FOR FREE AND THEN EVENTUALLY AS A DONATION FOR THE COUNTY FOR THE CULTURE WE'RE BRINGING IN HERE. SO LET'S BE CLEAR IT WAS $10,000 THAT SHE WAS ASKING FOR. AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER, IN 2008 SOME OF MAY NOT HAVE BEEN HERE IN THAT TIME.

BUT DOWNTOWN IN THE PLAZA RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CATHEDRAL AND THE TRINITY CHURCH ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE PLAZA IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER WHAT CULTURE WENT ON THERE THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT WAS COMMISSIONER KLINE'S HUSBAND WITH CELERY BETWEEN HIS LEG BEING WHIPPED BY AN ACROBATIC ART GROUP THAT CAME TO THE CITY. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL WHAT WE DOING WITH THE CULTURE IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND I THINK THAT THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE SHOULD BE TOWARDS THE COVID-19 PAYING FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

WE NEED MONEY FOR THAT. WE DON'T NEED MONEY FOR THIS.

THEY CAN USE WHAT THEY COLLECTED IN TAXES.

I KNOW IT'S DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T COMING HERE BECAUSE OF THE VIRUS. THAT'S NOT FOR US AS TAXPAYERS TO PICK UP. THAT'S YET ST. JOHNS CULTURE COUNCIL AND TOURIST COUNCIL GETS THAT MONEY AND CAN USE THT MONEY AND DO WITH LIKE WE HAVE TO DO WITH WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE INCOME. THERE'S NO INCOME IN COMING TO THIS BOARD AND THE TAXPAYERS TO FUND THIS IS NOT GOING TO

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IMPROVE ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMING HERE IN CONGREGATING.

I'M AGAINST THIS. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE. WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM ONE. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON ITEM

>> >> YES.

>> OKAY. GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT

WE FUND THIS REQUEST. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

I WILL SECOND IT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

WE WILL HAVE A VERBAL >>

>> >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> YES. COMMISSIONER WHITE HURST.

[2. Public Hearing * PUD 2020-02 Edmonds Family Partnership Boat & RV PUD.]

>> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES ALSO SO THAT PASSES 4-1. THANK YOU MA'AM.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM TWO. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN I READ THIS THROUGH I DIDN'T SEE THIS.

I WOULD LIKE TO PONDER THOSE KINDS OF

>> THANK YOU. SIR.

ITEM TWO. MR. VICE CHAIR, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE THIS ITEM.

MY ADVICE IS TO CONSIDER THAT REQUEST FIRST IF IT'S CONTINUED, IT JUST GOES BACK TO THE PZA, IT'S AN EXECUTIVE DECISION.

IT'S NOT QUASI JUDICIAL. IF THE BOARD DECLINES THAT AND WANTS TO HEAR THE ITEM IN SUBSTANCE IDEA, THEN QUASI JUDICIAL SHOULD BE GIVEN. WE DO NOT NEED TO DO --

>> IF THE BOARD MAKES THE DECISION WHETHER TO REMAND IT

BACK TO THE PZA OR NOT. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED?

>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> VICE CHAIR TO COUNCIL.

IF WE DO NOT DISCLOSE TODAY, IF THIS COMES BACK TO THE BOARD WE

WOULD HAVE TO >> ABSOLUTELY.

YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU GENTLEMEN.

DUG BURN DO YOU GO DOUG BURNET. WE ARE ASKING TO BE REMANDED.

SHORT HISTORY WHY WE GOT HERE. WHEN WII WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING.

WE KNEW WE HAD SOME OPPOSITION. WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE MAGNITUDE WHAT WAS GOING ON AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MODIFY THE PROJECT TO MAKE IT MORE TENABLE TO THE NEIGHBORS.

THAT PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING WAS BACK TO AUGUST 6TH OF 2020. AFTER WE GOT THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING AND UNDERSTOOD THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS, WE MODIFIED THE PROJECT AND RE-SUBMITTED IT TO STAFF. WE IMMEDIATELY ASKED TO REMAND BACK AND LET US GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I CAN'T ARGUE WITH THE LEGAL OPINION THEY GAVE, THEIR LEGAL OPINION IS WE NEED TO COME HERE BEFORE WE GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY.

I BELIEVE WE REVISED THIS AND RE-SUBMITTED ALL THE WAY BACK IN AUGUST OF 2020 RIGHT AFTER OUR PZA HEARING.

STAFF THOUGHT WE COULD, THERE WAS CONFUSION AT ONE POINT.

WE THOUGHT WE COULD GO BACK TO PZA.

IT NEEDED TO BE SET FOR BCC. WE HAD AN INTERVENING ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE ASKING TO BE REMANDED.

YOUR TYPICAL NOTICE FOR HEARING LIKE THIS SAYS IN THE LEGAL ADVERTISEMENT AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER NOTICE WE'RE HERE TODAY TO HAVE A REZONING. WE MADE SURE THE NOTICE THAT WENT OUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM TODAY MADE CLEAR WE WERE ASKING TO BE REMANDED. THAT WAS IN THE NOTICE IN THE PAPER. THAT WAS IN THE NOTICE THAT WENT TO THE AJACENT PROPERTY. I E-MAILED ALL THE PEOPLE FROM THE ORIGINAL COMMUNITY MEETING TO MAKE SURE THEY KNEW COMING HERE TODAY WE WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR OUR ZONING.

WE WERE STILL ASKING FOR PLANNING AND ZONING TO BE REMANDED BACK THERE. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVEN'T MADE CHANGES THAT ARE SUBSTANTIAL.

I CAN TELL YOU OUR BUFFER IN BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE KING AND THE BEAR HAS BEEN REDESIGNED TO INCLUDE AN 80-FOOT

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BUFFER ON THAT SIDE. WE HAVE ALSO DROPPED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ANY STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE ON THE PROPERTY DOWN TO 25 FEET. AND ADDED OTHER THINGS TO IT.

AT THIS STAGE, I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK THAT AND ALMOST ALWAYS IF YOU HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT COMMUNITY MEETING WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF YOUR HEARING.

OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO DO IS GET REMANDED BACK.

HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS.

GO BACK TO PZA AND SEE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S A GOOD, VIABLE EVERYONE LIKES IT PROJECT.

THAT'S THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY.

AND I ASSUME YOU WANT TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT BEFORE I GO THROUGH ANY KIND OF PRESENTATION.

WITH THAT, I WILL SHUT UP. >> THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, WE CAN TAKE AT LEAST THREE DIFFERENT ACTIONS. APPROVE, DENY OR REMAND.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND BEFORE I CALL ON PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE KNOW WHAT THE ACTION IS GOING TO BE.

IF WE CAN HAVE THAT IN THE COMMISSIONER SMITH I BELIEVE THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

>> I WILL MOTION TO REMAND BACK TO THE PZA.

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO REMAND THIS TO THE PZA. WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS REQUESTED ON WHETHER OR NOT TO REMAND THIS ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE WILL BEGIN WITH PHONE CALLS THIS MORNING.

AGENDA ITEM TWO. SPECIFICALLY IN REGARD TO THE REMAND BACK TO PZA. GOOD MORNING.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> JOSE CHAPPA JUNIOR. >> GOOD MORNING.

THE FLOOR IS YOURS. PLEASE GO.

PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS JOSE.

>> OKAY. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

I ALONG WITH MY FIANCE RESIDE ON [INAUDIBLE] COURT FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS AND ONE OF 13 HOMES DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT. WE HAVE BEEN IN INVOLVED FROM DAY ONE OF OPPOSING THIS PROJECT FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE FACT THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE IN OUR IMMEDIATE BACKYARD. THE KING AND BEAR NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF MOST PRESTIGIOUS AND DESIRED NEIGHBORHOODS IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. 348 RESIDENTS HAVE SIGNED A DIGITAL PETITION IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.

THE HOMEOWNERS WHOSE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE THIS IN THEIR IMMEDIATE BACKYARD OPPOSE THIS SIMPLY ON THE BASIS OF COMPATIBILITY. IN FACT ONE OF PZ BOARD MEMBERS ACTUALLY CAME OUT TO SEE FOR HIMSELF HOW THIS PROJECT WOULD IMPACT THE HOMEOWNERS. HIS CONCLUSION WAS NOT COMPATIBLE. THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE DOCUMENT CASE 7 CLEARLY OUTLINES REQUIREMENTS THAT PROPOSE THESE BUILDINGS APPLICANTS MUST ACHIEVE. BASED ON THE PZ BOARD REVIEW, AN OVERWHELMING VOTE 6-1 TO DENY THIS APPLICATION WAS CLEARLY NOT MET. COMPATIBILITY WAS NOT MET AND ALTERING THE PROJECT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES WILL NOT GAIN THIS BACK NOW. BECAUSE OF OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, OUR HOMES HAVE BECOME EVERYTHING TO US.

OUR SANCTUARY, OUR ESCAPE. A PLACE OF WORK.

NOISE, LIGHTING, POLLUTION, TRAFFIC, AND SAFETY CONCERNS ARE JUST SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL AM WHYS THAT AMPLIFY THE NONCOMPATIBILITY OF THE REZONING APPLICATION.

WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUE AND HAD A CERTIFIED APPRAISER, RON MOODY CONDUCT A STUDY AND DELIVER TO THE PZ BOARD BACK IN DECEMBER. RON CONCLUDED THIS PROJECT WAS BOTH AN IMMEDIATE EFFECT AND A LONG LASTING EFFECT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTY VALUES. THIS IMMEDIATE EFFECT TYPICALLY RANGES FROM APPROXIMATELY 20% TO AS HIGH AS 85% WITH TYPICAL REDUCTION OF 40 TO 45%. UNDERSTANDABLY, NO HOMEOWNER WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. IN ADDITION, THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF CURRENT BOAT AND RV STORAGE LOT WITHIN PROXIMITY OF KING AND BEAR WITH A PROPOSED UHAUL EIGHT RETAIL STORAGE FACILITY TO SILVER LEAF WITH BOTH RV VEHICLE STORAGE.

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THIS IS CURRENTLY EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETED IN THE FALL OF 2021.

IN CONCLUSION -- NOTHING HAS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO DENY THIS QUESTION AND FORMALLY TERMINATE THIS REZONE APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

NEXT PHONE CALL. GOOD MORNING COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

GOOD MORNING. COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. DO WE HAVE A PHONE CALL?

DO WE HAVE A PHONE CALL? >> OKAY.

YEAH. GO AHEAD TOM REYNOLDS 50 BRIGATINE COURT. I ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO DENY THE REQUEST TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD.

I ASK YOU TO COME TO THE REALITY, THEY VOTED 6-1.

IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT GOING TO FIT INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. LIKE THE GENTLEMEN BEFORE YOU JUST SAID, ALL THOSE PEOPLE, ALL THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T COME TOGETHER BECAUSE FOR SOME PERSONAL REASON.

THEY CAME TOGETHER TO ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS AND YOU KNOW, BASICALLY I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR THE EDMONDS FAMILY IN THIS.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOTHING MORE THAN A CONTINUATION OF ST. JOHNS LAW GROUP WANTING TO CONTINUE TO CHASE NOTHING AND BILL THEM.

SHAME ON DOUG BURNET. TOSS THIS OUT AND MOVE ON.

THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> DEBRA KING.

3744 BARON STAIN DRIVE. SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA,

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOU MAY PROCEED.

>> PLEASE GO FORWARD WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES. I'M CALLING I GUESS TO SAY THAT I DO WANT TO SEE THIS FACILITY BUILT BEHIND THE RESIDENTS IN THE WORLD GOLF VILLAGE KING AND BEAR.

I THINK IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE THAT LOCATION.

AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

TO LEND SUPPORT AGAINST. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 20 YEARS. I KNOW WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AND THIS IS NOT IT. THAT'S NOT REALLY A COMMERCIAL TYPE ZONE WHEN IT BACKS UP TO THOSE HOMES.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. DO WE HAVE A PHONE CALL?

>> YES. MY NAME IS STEVE BRIERS.

I LIVE AT 1719 EAST COBBLE STONE LANE SAINT AUGUSTINE.

32092. THAT'S IN THE KING AND THE BEAR.

I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED BETWEEN WARD AND THE KING AND THE BEAR NEIGHBORHOOD. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, THAT IS A ROAD WITH HEAVY TRAFFIC COMING FROM GREEN COVE SPRINGS IN THE MORNING AND BACK IN THE AFTERNOON.

YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC WITH SCHOOLCHILDREN ON SCHOOL BUSES.

THERE'S NO LEFT TURN LANE OR RIGHT TURN LANE.

AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY TO BUILD AN RV PARK IN THEIR BACKYARD. SO I JUST WANTED THE COMMISSIONERS TO KEEP THOSE SAFETY ITEMS IN MIND WHEN VOTES WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE THIS RV PARK BLOCKING TRAFFIC.

THE TURN LANES WHILE THEY ARE WAITING TO TURN IN OR OUT OF THERE. IT'S JUST A RECIPE FOR AN ACCIDENT AND JUST HOPE YOU WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS.

I GUESS I WILL END IT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

LISTENING. >> THANK YOU MR. BRIERS.

>> ALL RIGHT, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >>

>> MY NAME IS WILLIAM PRICE. MY RESIDENT 2505 BEAR

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[INAUDIBLE] COURT IN KING AND THE BEAR COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YOU MAY PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES. THIS PROPOSED SUBJECT REZONING WILL BE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO MY BACKYARD AND THE WARD'S CREEK ELEMENTARY. THIS PROJECT WAS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND VOTE 6-1.

I AGREE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD 6-1 OPPOSE VOTE.

THE FOLLOWING REASONS ARE FACTUAL REASONS GOVERNORED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN USE DOCK. NOT COMPATIBLE.

COMPATIBILITY MEANS A CONDITION IN WHICH LAND USE CAN COEXIST IN A RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER IN A STABLE FASHION OVER TIME SUCH THAT NO USE IS UNDUALLY NEGATIVE IMPACTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY ANOTHER USE.

SO THIS PROJECT CANNOT COEXIST. WITH THE IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY TO THIS PRESTIGIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE AND WILL IMPACT US IN NUMEROUS WAYS.

WE UNDERSTAND THE REVISED PLAN INCLUDES IMPROVED FEATURES AND THEN AN 80 FOOT BUFFER ON THE SIDE ADJACENT TO THE KING AND THE BEAR. HOWEVER, THEY ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THE P&Z OPPOSED VOTE. STILL NOT COMPATIBLE TO THE KING AND BEAR PROPERTY. NOT SEND IT BACK TO THE P&Z ARE 300, 400 PETITIONS TO SIGNED THE PROJECT.

THE LICENSED APPRAISER WE HIRED CONCLUDED THIS WILL BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY VALUE AND NOT COMPATIBLE.

PEOPLE ARE COMING AND GOING 24 HOURS A DAY.

TRAFFIC IMPACTS. THE ENTERING AND EXITING OF BOATS, TRAILERS WILL BE VERY DANGEROUS ESPECIALLY IF IT'S ON A CURB. POLLUTION.

DUE TO THE PROXIMITY TO OUR HOMES, 24 HOUR ACCESS, LIGHTS WILL BE ILLUMINATING INTO OUR HOMES ALL NIGHT.

SAFETY AND SECURITY. IT IS A CONCERN THAT THERE WILL BE A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. NO FENCE IS TALL ENOUGH TO KEEP THEM OUT. AESTHETICS.

IN CONCLUSION, THE PROJECT WILL IMPEDE OUR LONG-TERM QUALITY OF LIFE. WE KINDLY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE TO OPPOSE THE PROJECT COMPLETELY NOW AND NOT APPROVE IT TO GO BACK TO THE P&Z BOARD AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

SERVICE OF OUR COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU MR. PRICE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

>> HI, MY NAME IS CRISTINA GALLAGHER.

SAINT AUGUSTINE, 32092. I AM A RESIDENT OF THE KING AND BEAR THE FIRST HOUSE THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS. WE LIVE RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF THE ROAD. IN THE EDMONDS PROPERTY.

I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS WITH THIS GOING IN BEHIND OUR HOME. WHEN WE PURCHASED HERE EIGHT YEARS AGO, ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID THAT WAS FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY. WE HAVE THREE YOUNG GIRLS THAT WE'RE RAISING. WANTED TO BE IN AN AREA THAT WAS SAFE AND ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE IS IF THERE ARE TONS OF CARS COMING IN BEHIND US AND A BIG BUSINESS WHERE THERE'S THINGS THAT OBVIOUSLY CAN BE STOLEN, IT'S GOING TO ATTRACT A LOT OF THAT ELEMENT. WE'VE HAD BEING CLOSE TO THE ROAD ALREADY A COUPLE OF INNES STANCES OF THEFT FROM OUR PROPERTY. WE HAVE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE AND I DON'T PERCEIVE THAT YOU KNOW MAKING THAT PROCESS ANY EASIER OR BETTER, LIKE ATTRACTING MORE OF THAT ELEMENT TO OUR HOUSE. AND THE THOUGHT OF MULTIPLE CARS COMING IN AND OUT HAVING THREE YOUNG GIRLS IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN OPEN TO WHEN WE BUILT OUR HOME HERE HAD WE KNOWN THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY. SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND ASK THAT YOU DO DENY THIS GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. AND AGREEING WITH THEM THAT THIS SHOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDED FOR CONCLUSION.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU MISS GALLAGHER.

>> ANY MORE PHONE CALLS? >> THERE ARE NO MORE PHONE CALLS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE FLOOR? GOOD MORNING.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS KEN JOHNSON.

I LIVE AT 1180 REGISTRY BOULEVARD IN SAINT AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU THAT THIS REQUEST BEING MADE TO PUT A BOAT RV STORAGE BEHIND OUR COMMUNITY, I LIVE IN THE KING AND BEAR. AND I DON'T LIVE WHERE THIS STORAGE FACILITY WILL BE BUT I LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY.

MY WIFE AND I MADE AN INVESTMENT WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOME.

OUR RETIREMENT HOME. I RETIRED FROM THE MILITARY.

THIS IS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY. WE MADE A VALUE CHOICE THAT WE LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ESSENTIALLY IS ABOUT GOLF, IS ABOUT FAMILIES, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT NO MATTER WHAT CHANGES MR. SMITH SUGGESTED THAT THEY MADE, THOSE CHANGES WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE A BOAT STORAGE, RV STORAGE BEHIND THE HOMES OF VALUED HOMEOWNERS WITH THE IDEA THEY WOULD NOT LOOK INTO THE AREA OF A BOAT STORAGE RV STORAGE.

I ASK YOU TO DOCTOR IS TO LOOK AT THE FACT MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING DO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND MAKING A VALUE CHOICE IN THE COMMUNITIES THEY LIVE IN. WE HAVE PLENTY OF BOAT STORAGE ACROSS OUR COUNTY. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BOAT STORAGE UNIT BEHIND A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

WE DO NOT NEED AN RV BOAT STORAGE FACILITY ON A ROAD THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL.

THIS IS NOT FOR THE BODY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS. I WILL SAY TO YOU AS MY FINAL COMMENT. THERE'S NO RIGHT WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING. PLEASE GENTLEMEN AND OR LADIES, DO THE RIGHT THING. DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO PUT A BOAT STORAGE IN THE BACK OF OUR HOMES.

WE HAVE MADE A CHOICE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE.

THIS IS A GREAT COUNTY. LET'S KEEP IT GREAT.

LET'S KEEP MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE FLOOR? GOOD MORNING SIR.

IF Y'ALL WOULD PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO HELP EXPEDITE IT. TAKE YOUR TIME.

>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS BOB LUSHEEN.

I LIVE AT 2421 DEN STREET. 32092.

MY WIFE SANDY IS HERE WITH ME TODAY.

IN OCTOBER OF 2020, WE PURCHASED OUR HOME.

AND PRIOR TO OUR CLOSING WE LEARNED THAT THE INITIAL REQUEST FOR REZONING AND WE PULLED OUT OF OUR CONTRACT.

WE BASICALLY SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND WERE WILLING TO GIVE UP $10,000 OF OUR EARNEST MONEY BECAUSE OF OUR CONCERN OF THIS REZONING ISSUE. AFTER SPEAKING WITH CONCERNED RESIDENTS IN KING AND BEAR AND OTHER REALTORS AND AN ATTORNEY FAMILIAR WITH REAL ESTATE AND ZONING ISSUES WE BECAME CONFIDENT THIS PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE REZONED DUE TO THE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ZONING OF THIS AREA.

OUR CONFIDENCE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO REJECT THIS WITH A 6-1 MARGIN. THIS EDMONDS PROPERTY APPEARS TO BE A LONG NARROW STRIP. 10 TIMES LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE.

WITH WARD'S CREEK ELEMENTARY ON ONE SIDE AND THE WELL ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY OF KING AND BEAR.

DURING WEEKDAYS WHILE I'M OUT BACK, I CAN EASILY HEAR THE SCHOOLCHILDREN WHEN THEY ARE OUTSIDE WITH THEIR PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES. THE PROPOSED RV STORAGE WILL BE LITERALLY IN OUR BACKYARD AND IN THE BACKYARD OF WARD'S CREEK ELEMENTARY. THE REVISED OR MODIFIED PROPOSAL THEY COULD DOUBLE THE BUFFER ZONE.

WE HEARD TODAY THEY WERE GOING TO INCREASE FROM 40 TO 80.

THEY COULD INCREASE IT MUCH MORE AND DECREASE THE PARKING SLOTS BY 50% IN THIS AREA WOULD STILL BE INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THERE MAYBE A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF STORAGE BUT THIS PROPERTY IS CLEARLY NOT WHERE IT SHOULD BE BUILT. THUS I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE BOARD SUPPORT THE DECISION OF PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD AND

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THE CONCERNED CITIZENS APPROXIMATING THIS PROPERTY AND REJECT THE REQUEST TO REMAND THIS APPLICATION BACK TO THE P&Z. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE

AUDITORIUM? >> BJ CLATY.

WEST CITY SAINT AUGUSTINE, 8 NEWCOME.

GOD BLESS THE ONES ON THE PHONE AND THOSE WHO SHOWED UP TODAY.

SOME POLITICIANS CAN'T SHOW UP. LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS.

I KNOW WE HAVE TO MOVE THEM ALONG BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE ON IN THIS MEETING, ONE NOT APPROVE TO GO BACK TO THE P&Z.

YOU HEARD THAT CLEARLY FROM THESE PEOPLE.

TWO, DENY THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY AND THREE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC AND THE TAXPAYERS TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE. YOU STATE TO US ON THE RECORD PUBLICLY WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS TO US AS TAXPAYERS AND TO THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE KING BEAR, I'M GLAD I DON'T.

AREA. CAN EXPECT WHEN THIS BOARD DOES THE RIGHT THING. AS THE GENTLEMEN SAYS AND DENIES THIS REQUEST. ARE WE STRONG ENOUGH TO STAND UP TO THIS LAWYER THAT COMES IN HERE, GOING TO MAKE ALL THE CHANGES AND GO BACK AND TALK OVER, LEGALLY TELL US NOW WHAT WE CAN EXPECT BECAUSE THE LAWYERS KNOW THE LAW.

BUT IT'S THEIR LAWS AND OUR LAWS AND IT'S WHO IS THE SMARTEST ATTORNEY TO STAND UP FOR THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY. THAT'S ONE REASON I'M GOING TO KEEP ON COMING IN HERE. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE IN THAT AREA. WHAT YOU DO FOR THEM AFFECTS OTHER PEOPLE TOO. SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN AT LEAST SAY IT OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW. WHAT WILL THE RAMIFICATIONS BE FOR THIS BOARD OF THREE PRESENT AND TWO THAT ARE IN TELEPHONE LAND DECIDE TO DO. WE HAVE, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO US TO TELL US RIGHT NOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S WHY I COME AND LEARN THINGS AT THIS MEETING AND THESE MEETINGS. I SEE MORE AND MORE DEVELOPERS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS COME UP HERE AND DO SONG AND DANCE.

START WITH ONE THING AND IT ENDS UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE.

WE SIT HERE BECAUSE WE DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA.

THESE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED AND PLEASE TELL US IF YOU DENY IT TODAY, IS IT DONE? AND IF NOT, WHAT ARE WE AS TAXPAYERS GOING TO BE ON OUR PAYCHECK TO GIVE TO FIGHT THIS THING IF WE HAVE TO OR IF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE TO FIGHT THIS THING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO COMMENT. AND AGAIN, PEOPLE, THAT'S IN THIS AUDITORIUM AND THE ONES ON THE PHONE.

I AS I FELLOW TAXPAYER AND RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. FORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE AN RV YET ARE APPRECIATIVE OF YOU SPEAKING UP.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENT? SEEING NONE MR. CHAIRMAN.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE MOTION TO REMAND.

BACK TO P&Z. ANY COMMENTS?

BURNET. >> BRIEF, FIRST TO STAY STEVEN EDMONDS COULDN'T BE HERE THIS MORNING.

I BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT HE WOULD SAY THAT IS HIS FAMILY HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1981. THIS IS NOT SOME DEVELOPER THAT JUST SHOWED UP TO GET A CONTRACT SIGNED TO PRY AND FLIP IT FOR SOME USE. THEY HAVE OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 1981. I AM CONFIDENT HE WOULD ASK YOU TO GIVE HIM A FAIR SHAKE AND GO BACK TO P&Z AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHY THIS IS ACTUALLY LIKELY A BETTER USE THAN WHAT ELSE MAY COME THERE. IT'S NOT A THREAT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF REQUEST THEY CAN'T GET THE PUD APPROVED FOR BOAT AND STORAGE, THEY WILL WILL DO SOMETHING FOR THE APPROVALS. THEY WILL LOOK WHAT IS THE ALLOWABLE USES AND ONE IS A PLANT NURSERY.

I WOULD SUSPECT THE TRAFFIC GENERATION, NOISE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS YOU GET FROM A NURSERY OPERATION WOULD BE WORSE AND ASSIST LIVING FACILITY AND ALL THE OTHER USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE BY RIGHT UNDER OPEN RURAL.

I GUESS GIVE US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK TO P&Z, GET BACK TO HAVING ANOTHER MEETING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHY WE THINK

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THIS IS BETTER AND WHY IT'S IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST FOR THE USE. WE BELIEVE THIS IS BETTER THAN THE ALLOWABLE USES UNDER OPEN RURAL.

THERE WAS CONFUSION ABOUT YOU HEAR AN RV PARK AND THAT HAS ATTUATIONS. THIS IS IN THE NORTHWEST SECTOR.

WITH REALLY SINCERELY ASKING YOU TO REMAND IT.

IT'S APPROPRIATE WHEN YOU HAVE A LONG-TERM PROPERTY OWNER WHO IS ASKING FOR THIS. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM

THE COMMISSION? >> OKAY.

WE WILL HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

WE WILL HAVE THE ROLL CALL VOTE TO REMAND BACK TO THE

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. YES.

>> COMMISSIONER >> YES.

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>> WHITEHURST. >> YES.

>> AND I VOTE NECESSARY. THAT PASSES.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM THREE. >> GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. SHANNON ACEVEDO WITH MATTHEWS DESIGN GROUP. THIS IS THE WINDING OAKS APPLICATION FOR LAND USE AMENDMENT.

ALONG WITH ME IS JUSTIN WITH PULTE HOMES.

JODY SIFT AND RAJ, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.

THE TOTAL PROPERTY IS 229 ACRES, MOST OF WHICH IS THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT AS YOU CAN SEE AT 217 ACRES AND THEN ALSO A NONRESIDENTIAL TRACT WHICH WE WILL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT OF UNDER 12 ACRES. BOTH ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF STATE ROAD 207. ON THE WEST SIDE OF I-95 AND SHARE FRONT AGE OF THE RAILS TO TRAILS.

THE EXISTING LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL B FOR THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT. WE ALSO AS I MENTIONED HAVE A SMALL NONRESIDENTIAL TRACT. AND THE REQUEST FOR THIS APPLICATION IS RESIDENTIAL C. WITH THE IMPORTANT CAVEAT THAT WILL BE A TEXT AMENDMENT LIMITING THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT TO 360 UNITS. THIS GETS TO OVER 3 DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL B, TWO DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE. THIS IS OUR CONCEPT PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE PLANNED OUT INTO THE TWO SECTIONS.

MAJOR ACCESS POINT OFF STATE ROAD 207 AND WE ALSO HAVE ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL TRACT WHICH I WILL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT, SIZEABLE PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE'RE LOOKING AT DEDICATING NOT JUST DEDICATING BUT ALSO DONATING TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY, APPROXIMATELY SIX UPLAND ACRES FOR THE EXPECTED USE OF A FIRE AND SHERIFF STATION. SO LOOKING AT THIS PART OF THE COUNTY, WE'RE IN A MAJOR INTERSECTION NOTE OF WHERE I-95 AND STATE ROAD 207 MEET. YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THAT RAILS TO TRAILS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTIES.

AND LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU CAN SEE THAT FIRST OFF THE RESIDENTIAL B TRACT IS ALREADY PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA BEING DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL B AS OUR PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH WITH EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SUB DIVISIONS TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST IS THE MIXED USE DISTRICT WHICH AS YOU KNOW IS THE ONE OF HIGHER DESIGNATIONS IN TERMS OF INTENSITY AND RESIDENTIAL DENSITY AS WELL, WE FEEL THIS WOULD BE A COMPATIBLE TRANSITION TO HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY FROM THE MIXED NODE TO THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE SOUTH. OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN THIS AREA RIGHT NOW. I HAVE PARISH FARMS WHICH HAS A PENDING APPLICATION THAT IS LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

BAPTIST MEDICAL GOING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 207.

SO A LOT OF ACTIVITY AND DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSITION HAPPENING WITHIN THE AREA OF THE COUNTY TO DATE.

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I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT PART OF THE LAND USE AMENDMENT REQUEST RESPONSIBILITY IS TO CONFIRM THAT WE ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO URBAN SPRAWL AND IN FACT, THIS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY TODAY, ST. JOHNS COUNTY TALKING ABOUT URBAN SPRAWL BEING CHARACTERIZED BY LEAP FROG DEVELOPMENT.

STRIP DEVELOPMENT. LOW DENSITY OVER LARGE AREA BUT IT REFERS TO THE FLORIDA STATE STATUTES FOR THE DEFINITION AND I WANTED TO POINT OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY RELEVANT FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION TALKING ABOUT USES THAT ARE NOT FUNCTIONALLY RELATED IN THE THAT?

>> STATE STATUTES. I'M PARAPHRASING.

WE WANT TO AVOID DEVELOPMENTS WHERE WE'RE REQUIRING AN EXTENSION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES. STATE ROAD 207 IS BUILT.

WE DO HAVE UTILITIES IN THE AREA ALTHOUGH WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT ON HELPING THE COUNTY TO FUND FURTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALSO MITIGATION FOR TYPICAL TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY TO HELP THE AREAS IN THE COUNTY ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THE AREA.

AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A LARGER VIEW AT THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY, I SHOW THIS AREA IN RED AS OWNED BY A SINGLE LANDOWNER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE IF THIS AREA AT THE TIME, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHEN YOU LOOK FROM MACRO VIEW, THE WHITING OAKS DEVELOPMENT FITS IN A PUZZLE PIECE OF AN AREA ALREADY BEING BUILT OUT AND PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AREA AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.

SO THE PUBLIC BENEFITS, I WANT IT SPEND A LITTLE TIME ON THIS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC DEDICATION OF A FIRE SHERIFF STATION SITE. THIS SITE, YOU CAN SEE THE TRIANGULAR AREA IS ABOUT 1200 LINEAR FEET IN THE PORTION TO BE NOT ONLY DEDICATED BUT DONATED TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WE WOULD NOT SEEK IMPACT FEE CREDITS.

THIS A TRUE DONATION OF SIX ACRES OF UPLAND SUFFICIENT TO BUILD POLICE AND FIRE STATION SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT'S BEEN BUILT ON U.S. 1 AND BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

WE LOOK AT PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY HOME AFFORDABILITY WHICH I WILL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT. PREFUNDING FUTURE ST. JOHNS REGIONAL UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH WE'RE WORKING WITH UTILITIES COMMIT AND THE RAILS TO PATH WAY AND PARK WAY.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE. THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE MORE IN DETAILS FOR LAND USE AMENDMENT. WE HAVE PARKS PLANNED THAT WOULD BE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE RAILS TO TRAILS AS WELL AS A LARGE HAMMOCK OAK WE'RE LOOK TO GO PRESERVE AS PORT OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL. PRESERVATION OF OVER 100 ACRES OF WET LAND AND THIS WOULD CAUSE FOR THE ROADWAY TO COME THROUGH HERE IN A COUPLE CLIPPING POINTS.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE IF WE WERE IMPACTING ALL WET LANDS AT TWO DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

440 COULD BE POSSIBLE WITH A PUD REZONING.

HOWEVER WE'RE LIMITING TO 360 UNITS AND THE REASON WE'RE ASKING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL C DESIGNATION IS TO ALLOW MORE EFFICIENT DESIGN TO HAVE THAT SMALLER NET AREA OF DEVELOPABLE ACRES AND NOT IMPACT THOSE WET LANDS WHICH WE ARE LOOKING TO PRESERVE. IN TERMS OF MARKET LANDSCAPE.

WE TOOK THIS MAP. THIS IS AVAILABLE FROM THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY WEBSITE ON PUD ACTIVITY.

THE DARKER THE GREEN YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN IS THE MORE BUILT OUT THESE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS ARE.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT AWAY. MOST OF THE SUBDIVISIONS ARE 50% OR MORE BUILT OUT. MANY OF THE ONES THAT AREN'T BUILT OUT HAVE LESS THAN A YEAR OF SUPPLY.

AND THAT GETS TO THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE.

WE WANT THIS TO BE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HIGH VALUE BUT ALSO AFFORDABLE FROM THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE MEDIAN SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS OVER $372,000.

WE'RE LOOKING AT AVERAGE SALES PRICE OF $292,000 FOR WINDING OAKS AND WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE, THERE WILL BE NO CDD FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IN THE GENERAL AREA THAT I HAD JUST SHOWN ON THE MAP.

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THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT COMING ONLINE THAT HAS MORE THAN A YEAR OF SUPPLY IS INTRADA. THIS IS A LARGE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. IT WILL HAVE A CDD AND CATERS TO A DIFFERENT MARKET. WE ARE FILLING A GAP IN THE MARKET NEED FOR ST. JOHNS. WE COULD IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT SALES PRICE AND WHAT IS THE FULL PRICE INCLUDING CDAND HOA. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS TOGETHER, WE FOUND THE WINDING OAKS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE RIGHT ON PAR WITH THE DEER FIELD PRESERVE DEVELOPMENT.

TRUDY OAKS DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE RUNNING LOW ON SUPPLY.

SO AGAIN THIS FILLS A GAP THAT'S A TRUE NEED WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY FOR THIS MARKET. NOW I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NONRESIDENTIAL TRACT AND THAT SIX ACRE FIRE SHERIFF STATION SITE WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN PURPLE.

THE ORANGE WOULD BE COMMERCIAL OUTPARCEL ABOUT 2.57 ACRES AND YOU COULD SEE THERE ARE WET LANDS OVER TO THE EAST.

THIS WOULD BE A TRUE DONATION AND SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH NEEDED WITHIN THE COUNTY. RIGHT NOW WE ARE RIGHT IN THE DONUT HOLE OF THE GAP IN THE FIVE ROAD MILES SERVICE AREA FOR FIRE RESCUE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T GET FIRE RESCUE IN THIS AREA. BUT THERE IS A GAP.

THERE'S A NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA.

I KNOW CHIEF IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND COULD SPEAK MORE TO THE NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND BETTER FASHION THAN I COULD.

BEING ABLE TO BUILD EFFICIENCY AND HAVE THIS SITE WE COULD HAVE BOTH EFFICIENCIES FOR FIRE RESCUE AND ALSO FOR THE SHERIFF STATION TO HAVE A MANNED STATION AT THAT SITE AS WELL.

THIS WOULD NOT ONLY AFFECT THE PROPOSED WINDING OAKS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING WITHIN THAT FIVE MILE GAP.

FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SIZE, A SITE DONATION OF THIS SIZE IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. THE CLOSEST ONE I COULD FIND TO A FIRE STATION DEDICATION SITE WAS ABERDEEN, THAT'S DRI DEVELOPMENT OF ABOUT 2000 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS AND THAT CASE THE SITE WAS TWO ACRES.

I REALLY THINK THIS IS A SIZEABLE PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR THIS REQUEST. AND JUST WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT IN TERMS OF THE SHERIFF OPERATIONS, THERE IS A SMALL UNMANNED STATION IN HASTINGS BUT NOT A REAL SOLID HOME.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S OFFICES THAT ARE KIND OF SHARED AT THE U.S. 1 FOR THE SOUTHEAST AND SOUTHWEST. SO THIS COULD PROVIDE A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR EFFICIENCY ON THE SHERIFF SIDE AS WELL TO DO A COMBINATION TYPE SITE. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

WE LOOKED AT ABOUT OVER 60 MILES AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 10 STUDY MILES. WE LOOKED AT IMPACTED.

OUT OF THE 66 MILES WE STUDIED, THERE WAS 4.2 ADVERSE AREAS AND THOSE ARE THE AREAS IN RED. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT EVEN IF WE DIDN'T GET THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT APPROVED AND WE WENT WITH A PUD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL B, WE RAN THE ANALYSIS AND IT WOULD STILL BE THOSE SAME 4.2 MILES.

SO FOR THE ASK, WE HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF IMPACTED ROADWAYS HOWEVER THE ANTICIPATED MITIGATION GOES UP WITH THE HIGHER DENSITY. WE LOOK AT ABOUT $5 MILLION IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO HELP OFF SET THE CONSTRAINTS WE SEE ON 207 ON THE EAST SIDE OF 95. IN TERMS OF SCHOOLS.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PICK.

THIS IS A GENERATION OF ABOUT 90 STUDENTS.

WE CANNOT SEND IN A FORMAL REQUEST FOR CONCURRENCY UNTIL AFTER THE LAND USE IS ADOPTED. BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE REZ C AND REZ B. THE DIFFERENCE IS 24 STUDENTS.

IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTALS. I MENTIONED OUT OF THE 102.7 WET LAND ACRES, WE LOOK AT APPROXIMATELY 100 ACRES TO BE PRESERVED. 8 8.8 RECREATIONAL AREAS AND MORE THAN EIGHT ACRES IS PRESERVED WELL OVER THE 10% MINIMUM WITHIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY CODE.

AND THERE'S BEAUTIFUL TREES ON SITE.

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THIS IS PART OF THAT XERIC HAMMOCK WE LOOK TO PRESERVE WITH THE WINDING OAKS DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

WE BELIEVE THIS IS A JUSTIFIED REQUEST TO AMEND THIS PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL C WITH THAT TEXT AMENDMENT OF 360 UNITS.

IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE USE AND COMPATIBLE WITHIN THE USE AREA NEXT TO MIXED USE. WE BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NAMELY THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT IS COME ALONG WITH THE WINDING OAKS DEVELOPMENT. WITH THIS, I REQUEST APPROVAL OF

THIS TRANSMITTAL. >> THANK YOU.

ARE THERE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO

THE PUBLIC. >> I DO.

I HAVE ONE. MISS ACEVEDO.

THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD BEFORE.

WHAT WAS THE MAXIMUM UNITS REQUESTED AT THAT TIME?

>> JUST A MOMENT. AT THAT TIME, THE PUD 201616 REQUESTED 218.63 ACRES. JUST THE RESIDENTIAL TRACT.

FOR PUD AND THAT WAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF 252 SINGLE FAMILY

HOMES. >> SO YOU HAVE AN INCREASE OF 108? OR 108 INCREASE.

IS THIS ALL IN THE SAME LAND OF THE 218 OR 229.7 INCLUDE NOW THE OUTPARCEL SO IT'S MORE, YOU'RE REQUESTING MORE DENSITY ON THIS

ORIGINAL TRACT? >> YES.

WHERE THAT EXTRA DENSITY COMES INTO PLAY IS I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS AREA HERE.

THAT ADDITIONAL DENSITY WOULD ADD THIS FINGER IN THE UPHANDS KIND OF CLOSER TO THE EAST SIDE. AND THE IDEA THERE WAS AGAIN TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH THE LAND USE.

IF WE CAN HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY, IT ALLOWS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CLARIFICATION.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE BECAUSE SOME FOLKS WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF VERMONT BOULEVARD, COULD YOU, IF NOT, HAVE STAFF ADDRESS THE IMPACT YOU HAVE FOUND WITH

VERMONT BOULEVARD? >> YES.

THANK YOU. WE DID SPEAK WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND UNDERSTAND THE SECONDARY ACCESS POINT AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. THERE IS A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT THAT WOULD HAVE A WAY TO GET ON TO VERMONT BOULEVARD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. THE IDEA THERE WAS TO PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS BOTH FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS.

AND TO ALLOW FOR EASIER TRANSITION FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM THE HASTINGS AREA INTO DEVELOPMENT OR GOING THE OTHER WAY. WE HAVE DONE TRAFFIC STUDY.

WE HAVE MET WITH FDOT AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SECURE IS ALONG OUR MAIN ENTRANCE FROM STATE ROAD 207, WE HAVE A LEFT OUT, A RIGHT IN, AND A RIGHT OUT.

AND BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT LEFT OUT, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE HEADED TOWARDS I-95.

AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE LESS THAN 5% WOULD BE UTILIZING THAT SECONDARY ACCESS AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE FOR THE TRAVEL PATTERNS THAT WERE GOING TOWARDS HASTINGS. ACTUALLY TO COME DOWN THIS ROADWAY THROUGH THE VERMONT HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION WOULD BE A LONGER PATH EVEN FOR THE FOLKS WE HAVE CONCEPT PLANNED OVER IN THE KIND OF SOUTH WESTERN AREA OF THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION PLAN. IT WOULD BE LESS ENTRANCE FOR THEM TO COME OUT THE MAIN AREA. THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE PLANNING AND THIS IS GETTING A LITTLE INTO THE DETAILS.

WE HAVE A SEPARATE CUING LANE FOR THOSE TURNING RIGHT AND LEFT COMING OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE THAN AN EASIER AND MORE

DESIRABLE ACCESS POINT. >> COULD YOU JUST FOR THE PUBLIC SAKE AND THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NUMBERS.

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LESS THAN 5% IMPACT OF THAT TRAFFIC PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC.

COULD YOU GIVE A NUMBER AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD LIKE LIKE?

>> I WILL INVITE RAJESH UP BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE DETAILS

BETTER THAN I DO. >> GOOD MORNING.

RAJESH TRAFFIC JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA, 33256.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WHEN WE SAY LESS THAN 5%, ONE CAR EVERY THREE MINUTES OR SO. USING THAT VERMONT BOULEVARD TO ENTER AND EXIT. THAT'S THE MODE OF TRAFFIC.

25 AND PEACOCK IS WHAT WE EXPECT ON THAT ROAD.

IT'S JUST TRAFFIC COMING IN AND GOING IN FROM THE WEST ON 2207.

THAT'S ABOUT 4% FROM THE WEST. DOES EITHER ONE OF THESE POINTS WE HAVE HAD NO DISCUSSION IN REGARD OR NO MENTION OF ANY SIGNALIZATION. DOES ANY OF IT WARRANT SIGNALIZATION? WE WORK WITH TRAFFIC DETAIL OPERATIONAL STUDY. WE DON'T MEET THAT AT THIS LOCATION. TRAFFIC COULD EASILY EXIST ON TO 207. WE ARE ALSO DISCUSSING WITH DOT

TO PROVIDE LANE ON 207 >> THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THIS IS DETAILED FOR A TRANSMITTAL IS A LITTLE UNCOMMON.

I APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I THINK FOLKS WANT TO WHAT IS FORTH COMING. THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MISS ACEVEDO.

I'M SORRY, WERE YOU DONE? >> YES.

I'M DONE. THANK YOU.

NOW WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3.

>> WE HAVE PHONE CALLS IT APPEARS.

GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ANYONE ON THE PHONE?

>> YES. MY NAME IS SHARON CAR CANE.

I LIVE AT 4062 VERMONT BOULEVARD.

>> GOOD MORNINGS PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR COMMENTS.

>> YES. WE HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR ABOUT 13, 14 YEARS NOW AND WE HAVE THREE HOUSES TOGETHER THAT HAVE SMALL CHILDREN. I HAVE A FOUR-YEAR OLD IN MY HOME AND MY NEIGHBORS HAVE CHILDREN AGE FOUR AND UNDER.

WE HAVE CONSTANT TRAFFIC COMING ON OUR ROAD.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS HAVING A DIVISION ZONING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF HOMES FROM TWO PER ACRE TO SIX PER ACRE WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC IF THEY HAD AN EXIT OR ENTRANCE ON VERMONT BOULEVARD. WE ALREADY HAVE CONSISTENT TRAFFIC COMING FROM A SUBDIVISION ON 14.

ANOTHER THING THAT VERMONT [INAUDIBLE] IS NOT A SUBDIVISION. WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT DEVELOPMENT CONTROLLED BY THE PEOPLE WHO RESIDE HERE.

THE RESIDENTS WHO COME FROM THE OTHER SUBDIVISION AND TRAVEL 207. THE MAIN PROBLEM ON VERMONT BOULEVARD IS WE HAVE CONSTANT TRAFFIC THAT IS WAY ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT. I HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL GOING DOWN MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE TO CHECK ON ELDERLY.

PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD. AND PEOPLE DO NOT EVEN SLOW DOWN

FOR ANYBODY >> WE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS.

TO ALLOW THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE ACCESS TO VERMONT BOULEVARD ONLY INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AND MAKE IT MORE DANGEROUS.

WE ALSO HAVE BIKE RIDERS AND PEOPLE WHEN WALK THE TRAIL HEADS TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL. WE HAVE CONSTANT COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON THIS NARROW ROAD. THEY SHOULD NOT BE USING THIS ROAD. WE HAVE THAT CONSTANT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC. AND EACH TIME THE INTERSTATE IS SHUT DOWN, VERMONT BOULEVARD GETS ON AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. TRAFFIC SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO

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USE THE COMMUNITY AS A DETOUR VERMONT BOULEVARD CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAFFIC FROM ANOTHER COMMUNITY OFF 14.

SO THIS TRAFFIC MAY SPEED THROUGH HERE GOING 35, 40, 50 MILES PER HOUR. WE HAVE A 25 MILE AN HOUR LIMIT.

THIS WILL NOT OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT.

WE HAD TRAFFIC POP UP NUMEROUS TIMES.

>> THANK YOU. MISS SHARTAIN.

APPRECIATE IT. WE ASK YOU TO DENY THIS

CHANGE. >> YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER PHONE CALL? >> GOOD MORNING.

COULD YOU PLEASE -- GOOD MORNING.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, SAINT AUGUSTINE.

FIRST THING COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT AWAY I LOOKED UP ON GOOGLE MAPS WHERE THIS LADY IS TALKING ABOUT.

SHE'S 100% CORRECT THE PREVIOUS CALLER.

THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED RIGHT NOW ON VERMONT BOULEVARD ON GOOGLE MAPS. THAT WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT IS PUT IN.

COMMISSIONERS THERE'S ONLY ONE THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT'S THE PRICE.

OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

I DRIVE IN ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY HAVE YARDS THAT ARE THE SIZE OF A POSTAGE STAMP, I FEEL SORRY FOR THE PEOPLE. I THINK THEY HAVE NO BACKYARD.

I WAS LUCKY I GREW UP IN THE A BACKYARD.

I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO TURN THIS DEVELOPMENT DOWN.

THEY INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES.

IN FACT ACTUALLY WHEN THAT LADY JUST SAID SIX HOUSES, I WAS LISTENING TO THE PRESENTER AS WELL.

AND THE REASONING FOR ADDING MORE HOMES, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T BUY THAT. I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING COMMISSIONERS. I THINK TWO HOMES PER ACRE IN THAT AREA WOULD REALLY BRING THE QUALITY OF LIFE TO EVERYBODY AROUND THE AREA AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE.

SO COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T KNOW REALLY KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.

WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ON THIS. BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, FROM THIS RESIDENT, I WOULD SAY TO VOTE THIS THING DOWN. VOTE DOWN.

THERE'S TOO MANY HOUSES. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE TOO MANY TRAFFIC PROBLEMS TO THE AREA. ONE LAST THING COMMISSIONER.

I ALWAYS HAVE TO, I ALWAYS CHUCKLE TO MYSELF IN DISGUST.

WHEREVER I HEAR ANYBODY ON THESE DEVELOPERS AND BRINGING DEVELOPMENTS IN AND QUOTE HOW MANY KIDS ARE GOING TO GO TO THE SCHOOLS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GET THEIR NUMBERS, BUT IF I HEARD THAT LADY CORRECTLY SHE SAID SOMETHING LIKE 31 CHILDREN OR SOMETHING.

EVERY SINGLE TIME I HEAR THAT, PER HOUSEHOLD, THE CENSUS IS 3.1 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD. YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME OUT OF ALL THOSE HOMES, THERE'S ONLY A FEW THAT GO TO SCHOOL.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? PEOPLE WILL SAY I WANT TO OWN A HOME. THEY'RE GOING TO BE YOUNG FAMILIES IN THERE WITH TONS OF KIDS.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOO CROWDED ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.

I DON'T EVEN SEE IT A NEIGHBORHOOD OF EQUALITY IN 10 YEARS. PLEASE VOTE THIS THING DOWN.

TOSS THIS THING OUT. TELL THE DEVELOPER TO COME BACK WITH TWO HOUSES ON ONE ACRE AND SEE WHAT GOES ON FROM THERE.

THANK YOU I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

ANY PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDITORIUM? I DON'T THINK SO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PHONE CALLS.

GOOD MORNING. >> LARRY BASSET.

4162 VERMONT BOULEVARD. MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN HOMEOWNERS IN VERMONT HEIGHTS FOR ALMOST 21 YEARS AND CHOSE TO LIVE IN THE AREA. THIS IS A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONVENIENT NEIGHBORHOOD. VERMONT HEIGHTS OF ESTABLISHED IN 1925 WITH ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT.

THAT'S WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE AND COUNTY.

THE ROADS WITHIN VERMONT HEIGHTS WAS MAINTAINED BY THE RESIDENTS.

80 YEARS AGO, ST. JOHNS COUNTY PAID AND CONNECTED IT TO THE COUNTY ROAD. THIS TURNED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A BUSY THROUGH WAY FOR TRAFFIC. TO TILGHMAN RIDGE LAND FIELD AND OPENED IT UP FOR EVERYONE USING IT AS A CUT THROUGH.

THE MEETING IS TO WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER ENTRANCE.

I'M HERE TO SHARE THE REALITIES AND WHY THE CONCERNED RESIDENTS

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ARE OPPOSED. THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN IN INFLICTED UPON US AND RUIN OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND PUT OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY AT RISK EVERY DAY.

THE NOISY TRANSFER TRUCKS START AS EARLY AS 1 O'CLOCK AND 2 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. VERMONT BOULEVARD WAS DESIGNED TO BE A RESIDENTIAL STREET WITH 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT AND YET THE COMMERCIAL AND CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IS CONSTANTLY SPEEDING IN THE PASSING AND NO PASSING ZONE.

MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN RUN OFF THE ROAD SEVERAL TIMES.

YESTERDAY SHE WAS RUN OFF THE ROAD WITH A GARBAGE TRUCK.

IT'S A DANGER TO OUR COMMUNITY AND I OF THE TO EMPHASIZE THE EXTENT OF THE PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I PUT A TRAIL CAMERA UP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE ON VERMONT BOULEVARD AND JUST 19 DAYS I DOCUMENTED 2589 COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PASSING APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET IN FRONT OF MY BEDROOM WINDOW AND 220 OF THOSE WERE BEFORE 7:00 A.M. WE CANNOT REST AT NIGHT AND THERE'S NO WAY TO REST AND RECOVER IF YOU'RE HOME SICK DURING THE DAY AND THE STEADY TRAFFIC RUINS SPENT TIME OUTSIDE. WE HAVE SPEEDING CARS WRECKING OUR YARDS AND MAKES IT DANGEROUS TO WALK.

ONCE WE HAD A QUIET AND PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE WANT TO LIVE THERE AND OUR HOME IN PEACE AND NOT DIE FROM SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT LIVE THERE.

THIS WINDING OAKS CAN HAVE A POTENTIAL 500 PLUS VEHICLES COMING OUT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND WANT TO PUT ON VERMONT BOULEVARD. THE TRAFFIC WE CANT STAND IT RIGHT NOW AND THIS WOULD IMPACT WORSE THAN THAT.

>> THANK YOU. KEVIN KELLSRI, RETIRED FROM THE ARMY. I DISLIKE THE PROPOSAL OF THE VERMONT BOULEVARD ENTRANCE EXIT TO THE WINDING OAKS BECAUSE OF THE UNTENABLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON VERMONT BOULEVARD.

OTHER SUBDIVISIONS SUCH AS COUNTRY WALK, COKINA CROSSING HAVE ONE ENTRANCE IN AND OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WHY SHOULDN'T WINDING OAKS. THE SPEEDING IS SO OUT OF CONTROL, THE RESIDENTS ON VERMONT BOULEVARD ARE TERRIFIED MORE ACCIDENTS WILL LEAD TO MORE ACCIDENTS ENDING UP IN THEIR YARD LIKE MINE. VERMONT BOULEVARD IS LESS THAN FOUR TENS OF A MILE LONG AND 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT WHICH ONLY THE RESIDENTS RECOGNIZE. THESE ACCIDENTS RESULT IN ADD STRESS TO THE ALREADY STRESSFUL SPEEDING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES WE ON VERMONT BOULEVARD AND THOSE IN VERMONT HEIGHTS DEAL WITH 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. WE IN VERMONT HEIGHTS DO NOT WANT OUR QUALITY OF LIVE FURTHER DEGRADED BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS A DOLLAR MORE. WE LIKE IT THE WAY IT IS.

MY SISTER WAS KILLED IN 1998 JUST LIKE THE INTERSECTION ON

VERMONT BOULEVARD. >> THANK YOU.

GENTLEMEN MY NAME IS BILL FISHER.

IVE WELL AT 10130 MCMAHON AVENUE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. AND IT INVOLVES SOME HEALTH ISSUES. DO THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA HAVE WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS? THEY'RE WITHIN HALF A MILE OF A LANDFILL AND GARBAGE DUMP. HOW WOULD THAT EFFECT THE FACILITIES FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT?

THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE. >> THANK YOU MR. FISHER.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. JUSTIN DUDLEY.

124 DEL WEB. I AM THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY WITH PULTE HOME COMPANY. I WANTED TO RESPOND ON A FEW THINGS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THE SITE PLAN WAS ONE WE HAD PROVIDED AS A COURTESY. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT GETS ADOPTED AS A PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE.

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE GO BEFORE THE P&Z AS WELL AS BEFORE THIS BOARD TO ACTUALLY ADOPT AN ACTUAL SITE PLAN TO WHICH WE ARE MORE THAN AMENABLE TO WORKING OUT ANY SORT OF SOLUTION RELATED TO A CONNECTION TO VERMONT.

WE DID INCLUDE THAT CONNECTION AS A CONSIDERATION FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR A SECONDARY ACCESS NOT BECAUSE WE

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WERE NEEDING IT AS A PART OF THE PROJECT FOR OUR SAKE.

WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE DOT FOR THAT CONNECTION ON 207 TO GET OUR TRAFFIC TO THE EAST SIDE OF VERMONT HEIGHTS.

SO, OUR FOCUS IS THE TRAFFIC ON THAT SIDE.

NOT THE VERMONT HEIGHTS SIDE. WHAT YOU HEARD RAJESH SAY ON HIS NUMBERS TO PUT THEM IN CONTEXT. VERMONT HEIGHTS IS CLASSIFIED AS A MINOR COLLECTOR AND 18% OF IT'S ACTUAL TRAFFIC CAPACITY.

OUR TRAFFIC WOULD BE EQUIVALENT OF A 30 LOT SUBDIVISION ADDED TO THAT LOCATION. THERE'S STREET FRONTAGE FOR THE PROPERTY ON VERMONT. SO, THE UNITS PER ACRE.

VERMONT TO THE SOUTH IS ACTUALLY ABOUT 490 UNITS IN VERMONT HEIGHTS AND EXCEEDS TWO UNITS TO THE ACRES AND EXCEEDS RES C.

IT DID HAVE THE DESIGNATION ON IT, IT WOULD HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY THAN WHAT YOU HAVE FOR THE COMMUNITIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SO, AND WITH THE URBAN SPRAWL AND THE TWO UNIT PER ACRE. ONE IS TO LIMIT LOW DENSITY OVER LARGE AREAS. WE ARE LOOKING AT FOCUSING THE DEVELOPMENT SO WE ARE REDUCING OUR IMPACT ON THE WET LANDS AND BEING BETTER STEWARDS TO THE WETLANDS.

VERY SIZEABLE DONATION FOR POLICE AND FIRE AS IT IS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS. WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TODAY AND ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE PUD PROCESS TO WORK ON A SITE PLAN.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

JEREMIAH MULLIGAN WITH COKINA LAW GROUP.

I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

I AM COMING INTO ASSIST THE HOMEOWNERS ON VERMONT BOULEVARD AND THEIR OPPOSITION TO BOTH THE TRANSMITTAL OF THIS AMENDMENT AS WELL AS WILL BE ANTICIPATED TO BE THE FUTURE PUD.

I WAS JUST ENCOURAGED BY THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENTS AND RESPONSES TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE HAVING AND APPRECIATE THEY WOULD WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE EIGHBORS SPECIFICALLY ON VERMONT BOULEVARD IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO MITIGATE ANY OF THE IMPACT THIS DEVELOPMENT MIGHT HAVE. I WOULD ASK THAT THE DEVELOPER CONSENT THEM TO POSSIBLY CONTINUE THIS HEARING TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. SO ALLOW US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF WE CAN'T IN THE AMENDMENT PUT IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROTECT THESE NEIGHBORS. THEIR INTEREST ISN'T NECESSARILY IN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF RATHER THEIR INTEREST IS ONLY IN WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE ON THEIR CURRENT LIFE SITUATION. IF YOU HAVE BEEN DOWN VERMONT BOULEVARD, THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

A LOT OF THEM LOCATED DIRECTLY ON VERMONT BOULEVARD.

THEIR DRIVEWAYS FEED ON TO VERMONT BOULEVARD.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ROAD. THERE'S NO SHOULDERS OR SIDEWALKS. NOTHING ON THIS ROAD AND YOU HAVE YOU KNOW AS HAS BEEN TESTIFIED TO, YOU HAVE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC. THE HISTORY OF, THAT WAS JUST RECITED WHEN A LOT OF THESE FOLKS MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WAS A RURAL COMMUNITY.

THEY WERE LIVING IN THE COUNTRY A LITTLE BIT AND THE ROAD THEY HAD DEAD ENDED INTO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.

AND EVENTUALLY NICE WAS CONNECTED THROUGH TO VERMONT AND WITH THAT HAPPENED, IT CHANGED THE COMPLEXION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FUNNY ENOUGH, WHAT REALLY CHANGED THE COMPLEXION IS WHEN THEY STOPPED USING TILGHMAN RANCH AS A DUMP AND STARTED USING IT AS A TRANSFER STATION.

INSTEAD OF HAVING GARBAGE TRUCKS FROM SAINT AUGUSTINE COMING DOWN 214, YOU NOW HAVE THESE TRANSFER TRUCKS THAT ARE TAKING TRASH TO GORGIA AND THEY ARE LOOKING TO GET ON TO 95 AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. WELL, THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS COMING DOWN VERMONT BOULEVARD ONCE THAT OPENED UP.

THE TRAFFIC EXISTING TRAFFIC THAT COMES OFF 95, ALL THE STUFF THEY TESTIFIED TO IS A BIG ENOUGH BURDEN.

THIS ADDITIONAL IMPACT IS TOO MUCH.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN OPPOSITION TO THE USE OF LAND, IT'S AN OPPOSITION TO THE USE OF VERMONT BOULEVARD FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. I THINK THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES.

THE LANDOWNER HERE OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE WEST OF

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VERMONT BOULEVARD NEIGHBORHOOD. I ASK WE EITHER DENY OR

CONTINUE. >> THANK YOU MR. MULLIGAN.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE? BJ CLATY. WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

8 NEWCOME STREET. AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE IN THE PZA VOTED NO. I HOPE YOU READ WHATEVER THEY SAID. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO. IT IT SHOWS YOU THERE'S A PROBLEM HERE. NUMBER TWO, GLAD THEY BROUGHT UP THE LANDFILL. THREE, ONCE AGAIN WE'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE.

GOD BLESS THE MAN THAT LIVES OVER THERE THAT TOLD YOU WHAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT. ALL THIS BENEFIT TO THE SHERIFF AND FIRE. THAT'S DANDY.

YOU CAN'T DESTROY QUALITY OF LIFE.

YOU SHOULDN'T. NUMBER 4, I-95.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AFFORDABLE $292,000.

THAT'S AFFORDABLE? EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM STAND UP IF YOU CAN AFFORD THAT. I'M THE ONLY ONE STANDING.

ANYWAY. THIS IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY WHICH IS GOING TO BRING MORE.

I APPRECIATE ALL THIS PEOPLE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN HERE IS MORE DENSITY.

THE PRESENTER GOT 19 MINUTES AND THE OTHER ONE GOT MORE AND HERE WE ARE WITH THREE MINUTES. WHEN WE PUT THESE AFFORDABLE $292,000 HOUSE OTHERS, IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO GET UP ON DUVAL TO MAKE MORE MONEY. I HAVE TO SAY DENY THIS, WHICH I KNOW YOU WON'T. ANYWAY, I'M SAYING IT OUT LOUD.

THIS OTHER ATTORNEY THAT GOT PAID FOR SPEAKING FOR THESE PEOPLE, WE CAN SPEAK FOR OURSELVES AND YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO US. WE HAVE TO GET ATTORNEYS.

WHY IS THAT ANYWAY CONTINUE IT. THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING.

BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING WHAT THE FIRE AND THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY'RE GIVING US, WHY DIDN'T THEY GIVE SOMETHING TO THESE PEOPLE AND SATISFY THEIR CONCERNS BEFORE THEY HAD TO COME IN HERE AND MAN PUTS OUT VIDEO SO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEE THE TRAFFIC AND YOU CAN SIT HERE AND LET THIS THING GO ON AND ON.

I DON'T THINK THESE DEVELOPERS IS CARING ABOUT THE BENEFITS FOR THE PEOPLE. THE RESIDENTS HAVE CONCERNS.

KEEP BRINGING IT UP BEFORE THE BOARD.

WE HAVE TICKY TACK ALL ALONG U.S. 95.

ONLY MR. SMITH AND MAYBE MRS. WALDRON UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY. THE REST OF YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE. SO LET'S DENY OR CONTINUE IT.

THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. BYE.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE? SEEING NONE. MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM THREE.

>> OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT FROM

THE BOARD? >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

M MISS ACEVEDO.

I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ON THE SCHOOL IMPACTS WHAT WE CALCULATED WAS 90 STUDENTS. THAT'S BASED ON THE STUDENT GENERATION RATES THAT ARE PUBL PUBLISHED. IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION ABOUT VERMONT BOULEVARD. WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSSING THAT.

THAT'S TYPICALLY A DETAIL THE PUD.

THIS AGAIN IS FOR LAND USE AMENDMENT.

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I KNOW WHEN MR. MULLIGAN GAVE HIS PUBLIC COMMENT HE MENTIONED THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY AN ISSUE OR OPPOSITION TO THE LAND USE, IT'S MORE ABOUT THAT CONNECTION AND THAT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD WORK THROUGH AND WORD SMITH INTO THE PUD TEXT AND MAP. THEN LASTLY, ON THE 19 MINUTES I HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY TRYING TO BE MORE CONCISE.

I WAS GOING FOR 10, I APOLOGIZE IF I WENT OVER THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. IF YOU DON'T MIND, MISS ACEVEDO.

I HAD ONE FOR YOU. I THINK IT JUST LEFT ME BRAIN.

NONETHELESS. IF YOU REMEMBER, I WILL ASK YOU.

IS SOMEBODY HERE THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO TRAFFIC? GOOD MORNING. JAN TRANTHUM, SENIOR PLANNING

MANAGER WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO DEFICIENT TRAFFIC LENGTHS.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD WE LOOK AT THEM AND THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE $5 MILLION PROPORTION OF FAIR SHARE TO REMEDY THAT. ARE THESE LINKS ACCURATE TO THE

ONES DISPLAYED THERE ON THE MAP? >> THE LINKS ARE ACCURATE AND LOCATED EAST OF I-95 RUNNING UP TO STATE ROAD 312.

THE HILL HOP CONNECTION COMING FROM THE EAST.

>> SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, IN REGARD TO THE PORTION OF FAIR SHARE, WHAT WOULD THAT RUN AND WHEN?

>> WE DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL AT THIS POINT.

RIGHT NEW WE JUST HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF $5 MILLION.

AND DETERMINING HOW THAT FUND, HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE USED.

WE WORK THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT AND FORMAL CONCURRENCE REVIEW AND PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT.

THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL.

>> THAT'S DURING THE APPROVAL OF THIS COMP PLAN.

WE'RE IN A LEVEL OF DETAIL NOT ACCUSTOMED TO.

>> YES, SIR, WE DON'T ACCEPT FORMAL CONCURRENCY APPLICATION.

AND FOLLOWING THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES NOT ACCEPT CONCURRENCY APPLICATION. TO ME, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOR FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND THIS. AS WELL AS ME TO MAKE A DECISION AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THE HELP THERE.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS, WE'VE GOT A PROPOSAL FOR STATE ROAD 313 THAT'S COMING AND MOVING FORWARD AS STATE PROVIDES FUNDS.

WOULD THAT RELIEVE THE DEFICIENT LINKS?

>> IT CERTAINLY COULD AND WE MADE THE APPLICANT AWARE OF THAT AND THEY MAYBE RE-ANALYZING THAT.

THE FIRST ROUTE IS FROM EXISTING 312 TO HOLMES BOULEVARD WHICH WOULD RELIEVE FROM HOLMES BOULEVARD AND 312 WHICH IS HEAVY IN TRAFFIC CURRENTLY. IS THERE A TIMING ON THAT?

>> HONESTLY, AND I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL BUDGET.

IT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

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>> CYNTHIA MAY, GROWTH MANAGEMENT.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF INTRADA.

I KNOW IT CAME BACK LAST YEAR. I WANT TO SAY PERHAPS ONE OR TWO PIECES WERE NOT FAILED SO MUCH AS.

THAT FAILED. THAT'S AN EXPIRATION.

>> IT ACTUALLY BECOMES AN AREA OF LAND WITH ZONING THAT IS NO LONGER VIABLE. IT WAS AN APPROVAL OF A WHOLE OTHER UNIT. WE ENDED HAVING THE ROADS WITH PUBLIC TO PRIVATE AS WELL. WHICH IS A BENEFIT TO THE TAXPAYERS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. MY POINT IS THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT EXPIRATIONS AND FAILURES ALONG THE WAY. THAT'S WHY WE SPACED THESE OUT IN REGARD TO TIMING. WHAT THAT DOES, IT YOU END UP WITH GAPS IN STRUCTURAL NEEDS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO ME IT'S EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE APPROVE THAT COME WE KNOW WILL BE SUCCESSFUL OR PERCEIVE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND WE WILL MEET THE GOALS AND THE TIMING THAT WE HAVE IN A CONTRACT IN REGARD TO ESPECIALLY REGARD TO THE REZONING.

THIS IS NOT A REZONING. THIS IS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WILL BE TRANSMITTED OR NOT AND APPROVED LATER BY THE COMPANY PUD ZONING THAT WILL COME WITH IT.

WITH UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET IS APPROVE SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT MEET WITH THE CRITERIA WITH BUILDING.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS THIS WITH REGARDS TO THE FIRE STATION.

I APPRECIATE THAT. DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE

SPOT. >> THAT'S OKAY.

YOU HANDLED IT WELL. >> IS THE COST OF FIRE STATION ET CETERA. AND CHIEF I WILL ASK YOU IN A MOMENT, NOT TO GET THESE NUMBERS TO PUT TOGETHER FOR ME, BUT TO ALSO LOCATION IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU APPROVE OF.

IN REGARD TO NUMBERS, THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. I ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO BUILD A FACILITY AND FIT THE FACILITY WITH EQUIPMENT? THE FIRE STATION JUST MODELLED FROM FIRE STATION 511 WAS $7.3 MILLION.

BATTALION CHIEF VEHICLE, 72 THOUSAND THERE IS WITH A TOTAL COST OF $8,679,066. THE NEXT QUESTION WAS THIS.

WHAT WOULD BE THE ESTIMATED COST TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY? BENEFITS FOR FIGHTERS, 1 MILION $914,000.

RECURRING OPERATION, $199,740 FOR A TOTAL RECURRING OPERATING MAINTENANCE OF FACILITY IS STAFF FOR $2.1 MILLION PER YEAR.

MY QUESTION WAS THIS ALL THE ULTIMATELY.

WHAT DOES IT COST TO SUSTAIN IT? THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, WHAT WOULD BE THE NECESSARY GROSS TAXABLE VALUE IN THAT AREA TO SUSTAIN IT? AND IF IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE BY THE GROSS TAXABLE VALUE, IT'S SUBSIDIZED BY THE TAXPAYERS.

AT TODAY'S MILLAGE RATES FOR FIRE AND RESCUE, THAT TAXABLE VALUE IS $1 BILLION. THAT IS NECESSARY TO SUSTAIN

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THAT STATION. HERE'S MY CONCERN AND I HOPE I CAN WRAP THIS UP TO WHERE FOLKS UNDERSTAND THE WAY I THINK IF YOU HAVE AN EXPANSION OF APPROVED DENSITY AND NOT THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT, THAT PUTS AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON OTHER TAXPAYERS IN THE COUNTY. THAT IS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO MANAGE GROWTH AND MAKE SURE IT'S AT THE RIGHT TIME IN THE RIGHT PLACE. IT'S JUST AT THIS POINT, THE TAX SITUATION, WE'RE AIMING FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

CHIEF, WOULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING IS THIS A PLACE THAT'S, THAT YOU WOULD FIND TO BE ACCEPTABLE?

>> GOOD MORNING. WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A SITE AND THIS IS ACTUALLY I KNOW IT'S LIKE THE ONE WE TALKED ABOUT.

THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL LOCATION. >> WHICH MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE. MY CONCERN IS THE TIMING AND IN HISTORY OF AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH INTRADO, THERE'S CONCERNS.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO BE MY VOTE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT DIFFICULT HAS CONCERNS WITH ME.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN. THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS AND

COMMENTS. >> I UNDERSTAND THERE'S INCREASED DENSITY TO PAY FOR CERTAIN THINGS.

THAT'S THE ONLY CONCERN THAT HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED BY OTHER

PEOPLE. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER OR WHITEHURST? >> NO, SIR.

JUST A COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SMITH SAID. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION THEY GAVE.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS. AS WE MANAGE OUR GROWTH BETTER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PAY FOR IT SO THE REST OF TAXPAYERS AREN'T PAYING ADDITIONAL IN THEIR FAIR SHARE.

I DO HAVE CONCERNS AND APPRECIATE CHIEF POINTING OUT THIS IS ONE OF SITES THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR ADDITIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I DO HAVE CONCERNS SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER SMITH'S.

>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE BRIEF COMMENT.

I HAVE TO SAY THIS. I HAVE LIVED IN THE SOUTH HALF OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY SINCE 1984. AND I PLAY GOLF ABOUT ONCE A WEEK AT THE COUNTY COURSE WHICH IS ONLY FOUR BLOCKS FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS AREA. NOT WITH STANDING THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> THIS IS MY DISTRICT AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AT THIS POINT, JUST BECAUSE OF MY UNEASINESS, I WILL PUT FORTH A MOTION TO DENY TRANSMITTAL OF COMP MAN AMENDMENT, 202005 WINDING OAKS BASED ON FOUR FINDING OF FACT.

IS THERE A >> I WILL SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

SO I WILL NOW CALL FOR A ROLL CALL

COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER >> YES.

[4. Public Hearing * PUD 2020-10 Grand Cypress.]

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES.

AND I VOTE YES ALSO. SO THAT FAILS 5-0.

CORRECT? >> OKAY.

SO WE GO TO ITEM FOUR. AND ITEM FOUR I DO BELIEVE IS IN

FACT AN EX PARTE. >> YES IT IS.

I WILL CALL ON ITEM 4. EX PARTE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. AN I DO.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I DID MEET WITH ON JANUARY 11TH AT 10:00 A.M. A LITTLE AFTER THAT WITH ELEEN AVERY SMITH, MR. FRANK GATLIN AND OUR OWN STAFF COTTON AND CHRISTINE BALIER.

THE REQUEST TO ZONE FROM PI TO PUD.

MUCH THE MATERIAL IN OUR OWN BACK UP MATERIAL.

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DISCUSSED THE 915 MULTIFAMILY AND 250,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL. DISCUSSED A PARK AMENITY OF EIGHT ACRES NOT ACCESSIBLE BECAUSE OF WETLANDS BUT WOULD BE UNIQUE. DISCUSSED A GROCER BEING THE ANCHOR OF THE LOT. RETAIL WILL BE ON THE FRONT.

TO RACE TRACK ROAD. DISCUSSED THE TWO TYPES OF PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY, FOUR STORY GARDEN STYLE RESORT STYLE.

ONE WOULD BE A FOUR STORY COURTYARD STYLE WITH CLIMATE CONTROLLED AND MISSION STYLE. NO NEW PROPOSED ACCESS POINTS.

AND I THINK THAT WILL COVER EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED IN

MY MEETING. >> BEING THIS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY EX PARTE? >> YES, SIR.

I HAD A MEETING WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND FRANK GATLIN ON JANUARY 27TH. WE SPOKE WITH THE PROJECT.

THEY SHOWED ME SCHEMATICS AND HI QUESTIONS.

>> I MET JANUARY 14TH WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND MR. GATLIN.

WE DISCUSSED THE PARK, THE DIFFERENT SCALES OF MULTIFAMILY LIVING AND THE LOCATION WITH EASY ACCESS TO U.S. 1.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. EX PARTE ON 4?

>> YES. MR. VICE CHAIR.

I MET ON JANUARY 14TH WITH ELLEN AVERY AND MR. GATLIN AT 11:00 A.M. WE DISCUSSED THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY. THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

THE POTENTIAL FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT PENDING STAFF REVIEW.

AND THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL ELEMENTS OF THE

PROPOSED PROJECT. >> THANK YOU.

I ALSO MET ON JANUARY 14TH AROUND 2:30 WITH ELLEN AVERY SMITH AND FRANK GATLIN AND COVERED ALL ITEMS COVERED BY OTHER COMMISSIONERS. WE WILL NOW GO TO THE PRESENTATION ON ITEM FOUR. GRAND CYPRUS.

MS. SMITH. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

ELLEN AVERY SMITH. ROGERS TOWERS IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I WILL MOVE ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS FINISHED IN 10 MINUTES.

THAT'S THE GOAL. WITH ME TODAY, JUST SO FOR BY WAY OF BACKGROUND. THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY BAYARD RACEWAYS AND TIMBER LAND KNOWN AS BEST BET.

IT'S THE OLD RACING FACILITY ON RACE TRACK ROAD.

THE CONTRACT PURCHASER IS GATLIN DEVELOPMENT.

YOU MET FRANK GATLIN TODAY. WITH HIM IS HIS SON FRANKIE, JOE GALLA AND DOUG STYLES IS ON THE PHONE AND RASHESH IS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. HERE'S U.S. ONE.

HERE'S RACE TRACK ROAD AND THIS IS THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY LINE.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED BETWEEN KNOCKA TEE TO THE EAST AND THE DURBIN PARK PROJECT WHICH COMES OVER TO ABOUT RIGHT HERE.

THAT IS THE URBAN SERVICE AREA THAT IS KNOWN AS DURBIN PARK.

BY THE WAY OF REFERENCE, ALSO MR. GATLIN AND HIS TEAM HELPED DEVELOP THIS FIRST 700,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN DURBIN PAVILION WITH HOME DEPOT, WAL-MART AND OTHER USERS ARE THAT IS ALMOST COMPLETELY BUILT OUT.

ALSO TO ORIENT YOU, THE LAND USE OF THIS PROPERTY IS INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL. YOU ALREADY HAVE SITE THAT HAS LAND USE FOR THE DENSITY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS MOSTLY COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE.

YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND WHERE THE RACEWAY WAS, OR IS STILL TODAY, PART OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OPEN RURAL AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHY ON THE SITE PLAN.

THE RACEWAY DOG TRACK AND HORSE TRACK WERE NEVER IN THE AREA.

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IT WAS ALWAYS IN THIS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE NOTE.

THIS APPLICATION IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT FOR A MAXIMUM OF 250,000 SQUARE FEET WITH COMMERCIAL USE LAND USE DESIGNATION AND 915 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS REDUCTION FROM THE 975.

I THINK THERE'S CONFUSION IN SOME OF THE DOCUMENTATION BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT'S A MAXIMUM OF 915 MULTIFAMILY UNITS NOT 975. THIS ROAD EXISTS BIG CYPRUS DRIVE EXISTS TODAY. IT IS A COUNTY OWNED AND MAINTAINED ROAD FOR THE MOST PART.

I SAY THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGN PARCEL THAT RUNS FOR ONE FOOT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO CYPRUS TRACE.

IT EXISTS APPROXIMATELY 200 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.

TOWN HOMES IN THE AREA AND THEY DO MAINTAIN THAT SIGN ON THE CORNER WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS PUD MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

TO SHOW YOU MORE ABOUT THE SITE. THIS IS A CONTIGUOUS WET LAND.

THIS IS A FOOT BRIDGE BUT BUILT STRONG ENOUGH FOR MAINTENANCE OF THIS PARK SITE. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE MULTI, I'M SORRY, THE MULTIFAMILY AND RACE TRACK ROAD.

YOU WILL ALSO SEE THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT WILL BE INSTALLED AT RACE TRACK ROAD AND THE ACCESS POINTS HERE.

ON THIS MAP, WHEN ARE EXISTING ACCESS POINTS ON THE GROUND TODAY. A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A COLORIZED MAP. AGAIN YOU SEE WHERE THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE WILL BE ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD.

YOU SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY PODS.

THEY WILL BE DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES.

YOU SEE THE WETLANDS THAT WOULD BE PRESERVED HERE AND HERE.

THIS AREA WILL COUNT TOWARD THE MULTIFAMILY DENSITY BUT WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.

SO AGAIN THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THE FOOT BRIDGE TO COME ACROSS FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE SO THEY CAN GO AND HAVE PICNICS AND RUN ON THE RUNNING TRACK AND DO EXERCISING AS PART OF THE AMENITY PACKAGE FOR THAT FACILITY.

FOR THEIR RESIDENCES. KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A LOOK AT WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE WHEN YOU COME ALONG AGAIN RACE TRACK ROAD. AND YOU SEE POTENTIAL GROCERY STORE HERE. RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR DESIGNING AND OTHER RETAIL ALONG RACE TRACK ROAD.

HERE'S THE RESTAURANT AND THE POTENTIAL GROCERY AND THE INLINE RETAIL AND OFFICE. YOU SEE THE MULTIFAMILY POTENTIAL IN THE BACK. THE MULTIFAMILY CAN BE EITHER APARTMENTS OR TOWN HOMES. THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE PUD TEXT. THIS IS A CONCEPT OF WHAT SOME OF THAT PRODUCT WOULD LOOK LIKE. PERHAPS DIFFERENT AMENITIES.

RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT LOOK HOPEFULLY THIS BEAUTIFUL.

THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE PRODUCT TYPES THAT YOU MIGHT SEE MORE URBAN LOOK AGAIN THAT MR. GATLIN.

THIS IS PART OF HIS VISION FOR BRINGING THE ENTRANCE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY IN A BEAUTIFUL AND UNIQUE WAY.

THE MISSION STYLE ARCHITECTURE AGAIN THE ARRIVAL INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY SEEING THIS HIGH END LOOKING ARCHITECTURE.

AND AGAIN FROM ANOTHER VANTAGE POINT.

THE PROJECTED PROVIDE PROPORTIONATE SHARE FOR TRANSPORTATION. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT. PROBABLY SOMETHING ON U.S. 1 AND RACE TRACK ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NEED FOR INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS THERE. AND THEN POTENTIALLY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THE RACE TRACK RIDE CORRIDOR.

WE ALSO HAVE AN APPLICATION INTO THE ST. JOHNS COUNT I SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

THE APPLICANT WILL PAY THE PROPORTIONATE SHARE AND SCHOOL IMPACT FEES. I THINK HAD YOUR PACKAGE.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN FOR JUST ONE MINUTE.

BEFORE I GO THERE. THERE IS, THERE WAS DISCUSSION

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WITH FOLKS FROM CYPRUS TRACE. AT LEAST ONE OF WHOM IS ADDRESSED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE.

I WANT TO PUT INTO THE RECORD, THERE'S A GRANT OF EASEMENT OVER THAT ONE FOOT STRIP TO ALLOW THE ACCESS.

THAT'S ALREADY LEGALLY AGREED TO AND WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2004. AND THEN ALSO HERE'S THE ACCESS EASEMENT AGREEMENT RELATED TO ACCESS ALONG THIS ROAD THAT WE WILL PUT INTO THE RECORD. THAT WAS ALL CONSIDERED BEFORE THIS PROPERTY WAS SOLD BY THIS PARCEL OWNER.

THEY USED TO BE OWNED BY ONE ENTITY.

SO JUST WRAPPING IT UP, HOPEFULLY ON TIME, THE PZA DID VOTE TO APPROVE THIS OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

ALL STAFF COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED INCLUDING THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL REVIEW. I THINK IN YOUR STAFF REPORT NOTES THAT REVIEW MAY NOT BE COMPLETED BUT HAS BEEN.

THERE ARE NO OUTSTANDING COMMENTS IN THE RECORD AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OBJECTIONS FROM STAFF ABOUT YOUR HOPEFUL APPROVAL OF THAT APPLICATION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> MR. SMITH, ONE QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION IN MY MIND.

YOU JUST MENTIONED THE PZA. WHAT IS A 5-1-1 VOTE AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT IS IN MY BOOK. IS THAT, THEY CAN'T ABSTAIN AS I UNDERSTAND IT. IS THAT SOMEONE WHO FEELING

STRONGLY BOTH WAYS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN.

I CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS THAT. >> PLEASE.

>> WE DID HAVE A RECUSAL DUE TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS

RELATIONSHIP. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAD AN EXISTING BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP FROM ONE OF BOARD MEMBERS WITH THE APPLICANT AND DID ABSTAIN ON THAT BASIS.

>> IT WAS A CONFLICT. >> OR AT LEAST THE APPEARANCE OF

ONE. >> THE VOTE WAS 5-1

CONFLICT. >> YES.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> I HAVE A COUPLE.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. IF YOU CAN, THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL. WHEN WAS THIS FACILITY BUILT?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE, I THINK IT WAS, THERE WAS A RACE TRACK OUT THERE FOR HORSES AT ONE POINT AND THEN IT BECAME A DOG TRACK. I THINK IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR

APPROXIMATELY 10 YEARS. >> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.

OKAY. PARK IS SAYING 1983 WAS WHEN IT OPENED AND 2012 IS WHEN IT CLOSED.

>> IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR 12 YEARS.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, IF SIGNALIZATION IS WARRANTED, WHO WILL PAY FOR IT?

>> THE APPLICANT WILL PAY FOR IT.

THE PUD IS CLEAR. RACE TRACK ROAD IS A COUNTY MAINTAINED ROAD THAT WHEN THE COUNTIES YOU ARE WARRANTED TO BUILD THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THE APPLICANT WILL

TRAFFIC SIGNAL. >> THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS?

>> NO, SIR. ANY COMMISSIONER

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF MS. TRANTHUM COULD COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND DISCUSS THE OVER VIEW OF THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. ARE THERE DEFICIENCIES IN THE ROADWAYS OR AREAS OF CONCERN THIS PROJECT MAY AFFECT?

>> HELLO AGAIN. JAN TRANTHUM.

THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS INDICATES ADVERSE IMPACTS TO RACE TRACK ROAD ON THE REMAINING TWO LANE PORTION.

AND IS BETWEEN BARTRUM TRACK BOULEVARD AND FUTURE EAST PEYTON PARK WAY. THE FOUR LANING EAST OF THERE FROM EAST PEYTON PARK WAY TO THE EXISTING FOUR LANE AT BARTRUM SPRINGS HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED BY DOT.

THIS IS PART OF THE WIDENING PROJECT.

RACE TRACK IS FOUR LANING AND THE OTHER IS 10 LANING.

THE APPLICANT WILL PAY A PROPORTIONATE SHARE.

OUR IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS ACTUALLY THE INTERSECTION AT U.S. 1 AND WE'RE ALSO ASKING THE APPLICANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMBINATION, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL THAT HE HAVE PLANNED. WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO AFFECTUATE THE FUNDING AND PROVIDE A COUNTY MATCH SO WE CAN USE THAT TO GET FUNDING THROUGH THE DOT.

TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. >> OKAY.

>> MS. TRANTHUM, THE WIDENING OF THE PARK WAY OF BARTTRUM SPRINGS

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WHEN DO WE EXPECT THAT TO BE COMPLETE?

>> ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE THAT EITHER.

EFONG IS ON THE LINE. MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE THE FUNDING YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT PORTION MAY COME AFTER THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY.

I'M NOT SURE OF THE YEAR THAT IS FUNDED IN.

>> FONG. ARE YOU ON THE LINE?

>> GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS FONG, TRANSPORTATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.

I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. THE WIDENING OF RACE TRACK FOUR LANE INCLUDING THE OVERPASS REPLACEMENT IS FUNDED IN FISCAL YEAR 2024 OF THE DOT PROGRAM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER

WHITEHURST? >> NO, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE

BOARD? >> MR. VICE CHAIR.

IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION THAT MR., THAT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST ASKED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ALSO FOR THE RECORD THAT THE, I'M GOING TO CALL AT THIS TIME MISSING LINK.

THE TWO LANE OF RACE TRACK IS AN OBJECTION OF BURTRUM PARK AND THE DOT JUST FOR THE RECORD. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW

ON ITEM 4. >> I WILL NOW OPEN UP PUBLIC

COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM FOUR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 15 BRIGTINE COURT.

COMMISSIONERS, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE THIS PROJECT.

IT LOOKS REALLY NICE. I LOVE THAT KIND OF DESIGN ON THE APARTMENT TOWN HOMES. IT'S VERY, VERY CLEAN LOOKING.

LOOKS LIKE IT WILL FIT IN WITH THE AREA OVER THERE.

SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC, SOMETIMES I THINK THAT MYSELF, WELL, WE ALREADY KNOW.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION UP IN THAT AREA AT ALL. BUT YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY IN THE FUTURE, THINGS WILL, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WILL COME ON YOU KNOW EVEN IF IT'S LIMITED IN THE AREAS UP THERE.

BUT ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOMETHING ON THE EX PARTE. IN ALL THE YEARS I HAVE HEARD COMMISSIONER JEB SMITH SPEAK OR TALK ABOUT EX PARTE, THAT'S THE LONGEST DETAILED EX PARTE I EVER HEARD HIM GIVE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY REASON BUT IT SURELY WAS DETAILED. SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE IT WAS ALMOST MORE DETAIL THAN ELLEN'S PRESENTATION.

SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT IN 10 MINUTES.

SHE COULD TAKE 20 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTES IF SHE WANTS TO.

IF YOU'RE MEETING WITH PEOPLE EX PARTE.

IF THAT'S NOT ALL RECORDED, WELL, THAT'S ALL INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC IS MISSING. SO, AS FAR AS ATTORNEY SMITH, SHE SHOULD NEVER BE IN A HURRY WHEN YOU GET THERE.

ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC GIVES IS THE BEST.

COMMISSIONERS YOU VOTE ON IT AND APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE BUT THE PUBLIC AS THE RIGHT TO KNOW. THEY MAY NOT BE AT THE MEETINGS OR CALLING IN LIKE ME. I URGE THE COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT. THE PLACE LOOKS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4? >> GOOD MORNING.

>> IS IT MORNING STILL? BJ CLATY.

WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. 8 NEWCOME.

I THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD SAY TO IT KNOW MINUTES AND PLAYING GOLF AND LIVING IN A COMMUNITY IS QUITE DIFFERENT.

ALSO, I HAVE NOTICED TOO THAT MR. SMITH NOT ONLY NOW, BUT IN THE PAST EXPLAINS TO US EVERYTHING AND WE DO LIKE TO HEAR THAT. NOT JUST ON THIS ONE.

AND I DON'T CARE IF HE TAKES AN HOUR.

SAYING I DID THE SAME THING AS MR. SMITH AND I DID THE SAME THING AS MR. SMITH. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OTHERS MORE DETAILED. LET'S GO TO MR. SMITH LAST AND SEE IF ALL THE OTHERS CAN COVER IT.

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I KNOW THIS WILL BE APPROVED I'M CONCERNED ABOUT U.S. ONE AND AGAIN I'M NOT UP THERE. THERE WILL BE 950 APARTMENTS AND FROM ALL THE PICTURES THAT WE SAW, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE THAT $292,000 DEAL, AND IN LOOKING AT THOSE PICTURES AND DRIVING AROUND TOWN AND SEEING THE DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON, THOSE APARTMENTS QUOTE, LOOK LIKE 312 NORTH TENAMENTS.

IF YOU'RE GOING UP U.S. ONE BEFORE YOU GET THAT AREA COMING TO TO BUILDING WAS ANNEXED. IF YOU LOOK AS THOSE APARTMENTS.

THEY LOOK LIKE TENAMENTS TOO. WHEN YOU COMES INTO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. COME ALL THE WAY DOWN U.S. ONE.

YOU WOULD THINK YOU'RE IN MAYBE JACKSONVILLE.

BUT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.

WE GOT TO KEEP ON BUILDING AND KEEP ON BUILDING BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS COMING HERE AND THEY NEED TO LIVE SOME PLACE.

SO, I THINK WE'RE REALLY HEADED TO THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN'T DRIVE A CAR ANYMORE. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WALK EVERYWHERE. IS REALLY GETTING CONGESTED AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

BUT UNTIL YOU'RE SITTING IN THAT TRAFFIC AND WHEN 95 IS CLOSED DOWN LIKE IT HAS BEEN FOR ACCIDENTS, GET ON U.S. ONE.

YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS GOING ON. YOU MAY NOT KNOW WHAT, BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING IS GOING ON. THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY. IT'S A SHAME IN A WAY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP THE PROGRESS BUT IS IT REALLY PROGRESS? I DO THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO STAY WITHIN 10 MINUTES.

THE APPLICANTS, WE ONLY GET THROUGH.

WATCH THE CLOCK. WE CAN ALL DO THIS AND MOVE OUT SO EVERYBODY CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO LIKE PLAY GOLF.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDA ITEM FOUR? SEEING NONE.

MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM

FOUR. >> OKAY.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, IS

THERE A MOTION ON ITEM FOUR? >> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE

MS. AVERY >> OKAY.

>> GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. >> SHE'S STANDING BY.

>> THANK YOU SIR. MS. AVERY-SMITH, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THE PROJECT TO BE COMPLETE?

>> I THINK HE ASKED WHEN YOU EXPECT THE PROJECT TO BE COMPLETE. I'M OLD INTERPRETING.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOUR PHONE IS BREAKING UP.

>> I AM GOING TO ASK ONE OF GENTLEMEN FROM GATLIN TO ANSWER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR, THE PUD TEXT COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, WHILE THEY'RE COMING UP TO TELL YOU THEIR PROJECTED TIMELINE ASSUMING THE MARKET STAYS GOOD, THE PUD TEXT GIVES, HANG ON ONE MINUTE PLEASE, I'M SORRY. ONE 10-YEAR PHASE.

IS WHAT THE PUD TEXT SAYS ON PAGE 14 OF 19.

AND THAT'S TYPICAL OF WHAT WE ASK FOR FOR PUDS THAT ARE MULTI, THAT HAVE I'M GOING TO CALL ONE PHASE BUT THEY HAVE MULTIPLE ASPECTS LIKE A COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE ASPECT AND TWO DIFFERENT MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS PER SE. SO THEY MAY NOT ALL BE CONSTRUCTED AT ONE TIME. WHICH IS WHY WE BUILD IN THE 10 YEAR ALLOWANCE AND MARKET FLUCTUATION WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD

FOR A WHILE BUT WE NEVER KNOW. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MORNING COMMISSIONERS. FRANK GATLIN.

GATLIN DEVELOPMENT COMPANY 1301 P PROVENTIAL. ONE TO TWO YEARS WITH THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BEING IN THE FIRST TWO YEARS.

HOPEFULLY IT'S A TWO TO FOUR YEAR PROJECT IF EVERYTHING GOES

SMOOTHLY IN THE MARKET. >> HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DON'T HEAR ANY. AT THIS POINT, UNTIL THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MR. DEAN. THIS IS COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

ENACT -- >> ONE.

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>> APPROVING PUD 2020-10 GRANT CYPRUS BASED ON NINE FINDING OF

FACT. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

WE WILL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER

>> COMMISSIONER

>> >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. AND I ALSO VOTE YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. BEFORE WE GO TO FIVE AND IT'S EARLY ENOUGH, WE'RE GOING TO PLAN SO EVERYONE KNOWS, ON A

[Items 5 & 6]

BREAK AROUND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12:00 AND 12:30.

WE WILL MAKE IT SHORT. MAYBE HALF AN HOUR FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW AT LEAST MY PLAN IS. ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO ITEMS 5 AND SIX ARE TOGETHER.

AND I THINK WE'RE TAKE THEM UP ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND SIX IS AN EX PARTE. I SUGGEST WE GO AHEAD WITH EX PARTE ON SIX. ALL WE'RE TAKING FIVE AND SIX UP. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NOTHING TO

REPORT. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

ANY EX PARTE ON ITEM >> NONE SIR.

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER

>> WHITEHURST. >> NO.

>> I HAVE 99. NONE.

WE WILL GO TO ITEM FIVE. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIRMAN.

ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY EARNS FOURTH AVENUE PARTNERS I AM TONY ROBBINS. SENIOR PLAN WITH CROSSER IN JACKSONVILLE. ZIP IS 32240.

APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THIS IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION FOR THE THE TWIN CREEKS DR I.

2400 ACRES, APPROVED AS LARGE MIX USE DEVELOPMENT.

MASTER PLAN ON THE SCREEN CALLS FOR AN ACTIVITY CENTER AND NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE COMMERCIALS IN THE AREA I OUTLINED IN RED.

IN THE HARD CENTER OF THE PROJECT.

FOR REFERENCE, THE CLUB AND ASSOCIATED COMMERCIAL NORTH OF THE SITE OF CR 210. THE PUBLIC SUPER MARKET IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. EXISTS OF 14.5 ACRES, RETENTION POND, PUBLIC PARKING AND LEAVES PARCEL 6 A 2 AND 6 B.

6 A 2 IS JUST SHY THE THREE ACRES AND 6 B IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE WEST SIDE OF BEACON LAKE PARK WAY A LITTLE MORE THAN THREE ACRES. EACH OF THE SITES ARE DEVOID OF WETLANDS BOUND BY CONSERVATION LANES AND 210.

APPLICANT RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS GENTLEMEN TO AMEND THE PARCEL 6 A 2 AND B SPECIFICALLY OUT OF TWIN CREEKS DRI FROM RESIDENTIAL B TO C TO ALLOW FOR DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO. THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL B WHILE IT WILL WILL ALLOW PUBLIX AND BANKS TO HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, RESTAURANTS DON'T.

THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.

THE VIVID REPRESENTATION OF THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS BEFORE YOU AND THIS WOULD BE THE END RESULT.

THOSE TWO PARCELS IN PARTICULAR ARE 2405 ACRES ARE ONLY C.

THERE'S NO INCREASE TO THE APPROVED NONRESIDENTIAL ENTITLEMENTS OR SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND WE'RE LIMITING THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT COUNTY ROAD 210 AND THE CONSERVATION LAND FRAME THE PROPERTIES SO YOU CAN REST ASSURED THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER ENCROACHMENT OF C OR D DEEPER INTO 210. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AS I OUTLINED ON THE SCREEN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND A MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD IS WHAT ITEM 6 IS. I APPRECIATE THE VICE CHAIRMAN ALLOWING TO HEAR TOGETHER. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO ALLOW RESTAURANTS CAN DRIVE-THROUGHS.

THAT'S THE ONLY LOCATION SOUTH OF 210 THIS WILL BE ALLOWED.

THE TEXT AMENDMENT ALREADY RESTRICTS THEM TO PARCEL 6 A AND B AS WE DISCUSSED AND AS A REMINDER FOR OUR NEWER

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COMMISSIONERS, THE PUD HAS ADDITIONAL DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, MASSING AND BUILDING GUIDELINES FOR ANY PROPERTIES UP AND DOWN COUNTY ROAD 210. APPLICATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES. THE LOCATIONS BOTH OF THE PARCELS ARE SELECTED TO UTILIZE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, THEY WOULD BE SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL LOT. SIX 16 A OF THE LAND USE CODE ENSURING ANY ORDER BOX IS AT LEAST 200 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND THIS AGAIN WILL BE MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT IN ANY EVENT. LAST FOUR BULLETS THERE AGAIN JUST TO UNDERSCORE WHY IT'S MINOR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING WITH PARKING, VEHICULAR DENSITY OR ANYTHING THAT ADJUSTS STRUCTURE HEIGHT. THE BLUE POD I ILLUSTRATED ON THE MAP IS THE ONLY LOCATION WHERE THIS IS POSSIBLE.

THERE'S NO INTENTION OR INTRUSION INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR PARKS AREA OR NEIGHBORHOODS SOUTH OF 210.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON AND JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR FAVORABLE REQUEST OF THE FOUR FINDING OF ACT AND THE SEVEN FINDINGS TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.

>> ANY BOARD QUESTIONS ON 5 BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I DO COMMISSIONER DEAN. >> MR. ROBBINS.

HOW FAR BEHIND IS TWIN CREEKS ON THE ROAD WORK ON 210?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO YOUR STAFF TO EDUCATE ME ON THAT.

>> JAN, COULD YOU COME UP. >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, DICK GROWTH MANAGEMENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT GETS ASPHALT WITHIN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE YEAR.

WE'RE LOOKING AT COUPLE MONTH TIME FRAME BEFORE WE ACCEPT THE AS BUILTS FOR THAT ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

IF YOU HAVE FOLLOW UP. >> ARE THEY BEHIND ON GETTING

THEM DONE? >> NO WE'RE PUTTING ON THE ASPHALT, IF MAY HAVE BEEN LAID LAST WEEK OR COMING UP SHORTLY AND WILL FINISH UP WITH THE STRIPING AND THERMOPLASTIC.

THERE ARE A FEW AM ITEMS TO INSTALL.

WE EXPECT THE AS BUILTS TO COME IN THE NUMBERS FEW MONTHS.

>> THE SIGNALIZATION. HAS NOT OCCURRED YET.

WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH DEVELOPMENTOR IN TERMS OF WHETHER SIGNALIZATION TIMING. BECAUSE OF THE BACKLOG FOR ORDERING SIGNALS, THEY HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUALLY PRODUCED.

LOOKING AT A YEAR TIME FRAME TO GET IT INSTALLED.

WE CAN DO THE LEG WORK ONCE THAT CONSTRUCTION KICKS OFF.

WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BUILDING TO OCCUR.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH WITH STAFF AND THE RECORD ON THE PROJECT. STAFF DOES HAVE A PLAN TO DEAL WITH IT INTERMITTENTLY WITH A REVISED MOT PLAN TO REDUCE FROM 6 LANE TO FOUR LANE TO AVOID THE CONFLICTS FROM THE CROSSING OF THE SIDE STREETS WHICH WE BELIEVE WILL BE ADEQUATE UNTIL THE SIGNALS ARE INSTALLED. WE ARE WORKING TO GET THE

SIGNALS INSTALLED. >> HAS THAT MOT BEEN SIGNED YET?

>> NOT YET PRODUCED THE MOT. I BELIEVE PUBLIC WORKS IS HIRING A CONSULTANT AND THAT WILL BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE AS BUILTS

INSTALLED. >> ALL THANK YOU. ANY

>> COMMISSIONER. THIS IS FONG LEE.

>> SURE. YEAH, MAY I PROVIDE SOME

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATING >> PLEASE.

PLEASE. >> YES, SIR.

IF YOU LOOK AT ON THE OVERALL IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN CE WILSON TO THE ALTERNATE 210, THERE IS STILL A PORTION ODD THE TWIN CREEKS STILL HAS NOT BEEN COMMENCED CONSTRUCTION.

THE SEGMENT WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF TWIN CREEK, IS ALMOST COMPLETE. BUT WITHOUT THE SIGNAL.

AND WE HAVE GREAT CONCERN RELATING TO THE LACK OF THE SIGNAL FALLEN BEHIND THE ROAD OPENING.

AND THE DEVELOPER OF TWIN CREEK REFUSED TO PROVIDE MOT.

SO, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVE, WE WILL ACQUIRE AND DESIGN THAT

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MOT FROM THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT MANNER. SO IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU ASK FOR ARE THEY BEHIND, BASED ON LEGISLATIVE EXTENSION, THEY ARE LEGALLY NOT BEHIND. THE PROJECT HAS BEEN A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE IT COMES TO WHERE IT IS TODAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS WITH YOUR ANSWER OR NOT.

>> YEAH, WE HAD ISSUES OVER TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN, FONG. THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

OKAY. SO, ACTUALLY WE DON'T HAVE MOT SIGNED. WE DON'T, WE'RE GOING TO AS TAXPAYERS PAY FOR A CONSULTANT TO DESIGN THE MOT BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER IS ACTUALLY NOT LEGALLY BEHIND BUT KIND OF BEHIND ON THE ROAD WORK. OKAY.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS UP-TO-DATE WHERE WE'RE AT.

THANK YOU >> YES, SIR.

YOU'RE WELCOME SIR. >> OKAY.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, OR COMMENTS, WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME ON ITEM FIVE.

I WOULD LIKE TO DO FIVE AND SIX TOGETHER ON PUBLIC COMMENT

>> WE WILL OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEMS 5 AND SIX. PUBLIC COMMENT AGENDAS 5 AND SIX. I DON'T SEE ANY PHONE CALLS SO WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THE FLOOR. BJ CLATY WEST CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. 8 NEWCOME.

>> DENY THIS PUD. THIS IS A GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT THESE DEVELOPERS. NOTHING AGAINST THEM.

THIS IS THEIR JOB AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY.

DEVELOPERS PRESENT ONE PLAN AND I LOOKED INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THIS BACK UP INFORMATION. 2006.

HERE WE ARE IN 2021. THEN RETURN 15 YEARS LATER TO MAKE CHANGES TO BENEFIT THEIR BOTTOM LINE.

AND THEN WE'RE TALKING THAT THE ROAD HASN'T BEEN DONE UNLIKE MR. WALDRON SAID, WE'RE GOING TO HIRE SOMETHING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE DEVELOPERS DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. WHEN THEY COME IN HERE, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM SPEND MORE OF THEIR MONEY THAN COMING AND MAKING A DEAL WITH US TO SPEND SOME OF OUR MONEY.

THAT WOULD BE A TRUE BENEFIT TO EVERYONE IN THAT AREA.

I WONDER WHAT RESTAURANT WILL BE DRIVE THROUGH? MCDONALD'S OR HIGH CLASS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HIGH CLASS DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE. I DON'T EAT AT THOSE PLACES.

THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN HERE.

THEY SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND THIS MUCH TIME AND COME BACK IN PHASES AGAIN AND PHASES AGAIN DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MARKET, I'M USING QUOTES IN CASE YOU'RE NOT HERE.

THE MARKET, THE MARKET, THE MARKET.

QUALITY OF LIFE MARKET. QUALITY OF LIFE, MARKET.

WELL, THE MARKET IS WINDING OUT. SO THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

THAT'S MY CONCERN AND THAT'S WHY I WILL CONTINUE TO SPEAK UP ON THESE ISSUES. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE COUNTY HAPPENS TO THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL COMING TO LOOK AT HISTORY SUPPOSEDLY. AND THE ROADS ARE BEING CLUTTERED UP. GOOD LUCK GETTING DOWNTOWN ON KING STREET. THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SEEING NONE.

WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 5?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN. I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> YES, SIR. TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021-

>> TWO. >> APPROVING CPA 202005 TWIN CREEK PUD. PARCEL 6 A AND 6 B.

>> THANK YOU. DO YOU NEED A SECOND?

>> DID WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER >>

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>> AND I VOTE PASS. PASSES 4-1.

ARE YOU PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 6?

>> YES, SIR I AM. TO APPROVE MIN MOD 202014 PARCEL 6 A-2 AND 6 B BASED ON SEVEN FINDINGS OF FACT OBJECTIVE 6

CONDITIONS. >> AND I'LL SECOND THAT ONE TOO.

WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. ROLL CALL, COMMISSIONER

[Items 7 & 8]

>> >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. >> I VOTE YES ALSO.

THAT PASSES 4-1. NOW LET'S GO TO SEVEN.

ITEM 7, THIS IS AN EX PARTE. SOMEONE NEEDS TO HELP ME HERE.

ITEM 7. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> ACTUALLY ITEM 7 AND 8 TOGETHER AND MY MEETING ON JANUARY 11TH, 2021, AT 10:30 WITH BETH BREEDING.

JUSTIN CLARK AND STAFF OF FORCE COTTON AND CRISTINE VALIER.

IN REGARDS TO THE ASSOCIATED PUD WE DISCUSSED TO DO PLAT VACATION REQUEST OF 80 LOTS WHICH IS ABOUT .38 ACRES.

INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AT THIS PRESENT AND REQUEST PUD.

SOME TOWN CENTER USES WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TOTAL OF 5.1 ACRES.

INTEND TO PARK IT WELL WAS MENTIONED SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES. THEN WE WENT INTO THE SIX ASSOCIATED WAIVERS WITH THE PUD. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO DO THAT NOW OR NOT. JUST --

>> I ENCOURAGE YOU. I SUGGEST WE GO AHEAD AND DO EX PARTE ON 7 AND 8. THAT'S FINE.

>> WILL GO AHEAD. WAIVERS ON BEER AND WINE.

POSSIBILITY OF DISTILLERY TO OPEN.

10 FOOT NATURAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

WE DISCUSSED THE BUILDING AND PARKING SETBACK BUFFER.

THE BUFFERING AND SCREENING FROM 30 C TO 20 B AND INCREMENTAL MDP. WE LOOKED AT PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND ALSO THEY MENTIONED THE ENHANCEMENT OF VALUE OF THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT GO FROM $400,000 ON THE TAX ROLLS NOW TO GREATER THAN $5 MILLION. THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY EX PARTE.

COMMISSION BLOCKER? >> YES, SIR, I MET ON JANUARY 7TH AT 3:30 P.M. BETH BREEDING, JUSTIN CLARK AND SINNA VENUS. WE DISCUSSED THE EXEMPTION RELATED TO ALCOHOL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. EX PARTE?

>> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. I HAD A MEETING ON JANUARY 14TH AT 1 O'CLOCK WITH MISS BETH BREEDING, MR. VENUS AND MR. CLARK. WE DISCUSSED THE PROJECT.

CHANGING THEY WERE HAVING, VACATION ALSO.

WE DISCUSSED ACTUALLY THE HIGHWAY THAT'S BEHIND IT, THE OLD BRICK ROAD DIXIE HIGHWAY JUST TRIVIAL TALK ABOUT THAT.

DISCUSSED CHANGES IN THE PROJECT.

INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE AND THE DELIVERY OF THIS WOULD GIVE THEM AND THE ZONING TO HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES THERE SUCH AS BREWERY, HAD THEY HAD THAT RENTER.

I KIND OF LIKE THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AROUND THEM AND THEY COULD HAVE

DIFFERENT TENANTS IF NEED BE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

ANY EX PARTE ON 7 AND 8? >> YES, MR. VICE CHAIR.

I MET ON JANUARY 14TH 2 O'CLOCK AT THE OFFICE WITH BETH BREEDING, SINA VENUS AND JUSTIN CLARK.

WE DISCUSSED THE BUSINESS MODEL. THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBLE TENANT THAT THEY WOULD ATTRACT, AND THEY ALSO DISCUSSED THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUE AND

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THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

>> I LIKEWISE HAD A MEETING ON JANUARY 14TH, DISCUSSING ALL THE ISSUES WITH THE APPLICANT THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED THUS FAR.

SO THAT COMPLETES EX PARTE. SO NOW WE WILL GO TO ITEM 7.

YES, SIR. HI JUSTIN CLARK WITH PROPERTY THEATER. 11323 DELIBERATION AVENUE, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. I'M A 40 YEAR RESIDENT OF ST.

JOHNS COUNTY AND WE ARE THE DEVELOPER BROKER, REPRESENTING JAMES STERLING FOR THIS REQUEST BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY.

THERE'S TWO ITEMS, THE FIRST IS THE PLAT VACATION OF AN OLD PLAT AND THE SECOND IS THE REZONING REQUEST FROM IW TO PUD.

THE PUD BASICALLY INCLUDES THE IW USES BUT ALSO ADDS TO IT PERMITTED USES UNDER THE TOWN CENTER MIXED USE DISTRICT.

THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST IS THAT WE'RE INTENDING TO BUILD A FLEXIBLE WAREHOUSE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT VISUALLY APPEALING. BRINGS SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES AND IMPROVES THE TAX BASE.

IT REALLY THE PROJECT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE, WHAT HAS BEEN DUBBED THE AMAZON AFFECT WHICH BIG PICTURE IS JUST KIND OF A DISRUPTION OF THE BUSINESS SUPPLY CHAINS RESULTING FROM INCREASED E-COMMERCE SALES AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HOPEFULLY NOT JUST THE COVID ENVIRONMENT BUT THE POST-COVID ENVIRONMENT ALLOWING OWNERS AND USERS DIRECT ACCESS TO THEIR FACILITIES AND HAVING THESE FACILITIES CLOSER TO THEIR HOMES.

IF I COULD, I WILL KIND OF POINT OUT SOMETHING WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET. WE'RE HOPING TO SEE MORE OF THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT. IN THE MARKET.

THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE WORLD HAS BEEN REALLY DISRUPTED SIGNIFICANTLY BY THIS AMAZON EFFECT AND IT USED TO BE AND I HAVE BEEN IN THIS FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS, THE BUSINESS AND I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGE IN MY RELATIVELY SHORT TIME.

IT USED TO BE THAT ALL THESE PROPERTY TYPES OPERATED IN SILOS AND RETAIL WOULD BE IN ONE PLACE.

OFFICE IN ANOTHER AND WAREHOUSE IN ANOTHER.

BUT WHAT WE'RE INCREASINGLY SEEING IN THIS KIND OF LIVE-WORK-PLAY-AND STAY ENVIRONMENT IS RESIDENTS, STAKEHOLDERS ARE WANTING TO SEE MORE OF THESE THINGS IN ONE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE A SHOW ROOM AND OFFICE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT TOGETHERNESS ESPECIALLY AS PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING MORE OF THESE PRODUCTS COMING WITH THEM DIRECTLY.

SO, WHEREAS THIS PRODUCT 10 YEARS AGO, IT'S NOT BRAND-NEW BUT A RECYCLING OF SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

IT USED TO BE BENT TOWARDS TRADES HAS AN ADD COMPONENT OF E-COMMERCE. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIDGE A LOT OF GAPS SO WHAT WE TEND TO DO IS GET FLEXIBLE ON THE ZONING TO ALLOW THIS TO ADAPT OVER TIME. AS FOR THE WAIVER REQUESTS, EXCEPT FOR THE ALCOHOL WAIVER, WE ARE, THESE REQUESTS ARE BEING MADE BECAUSE UNDER THE IW ZONING ITSELF AND THE TOWN CENTER USES BY THEMSELVES, THESE OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPES SETBACK BUFFER AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED.

BECAUSE WE'RE PUSHED INTO THIS OR REQUESTING THIS PUD CHANGE, THAT'S WHY THOSE WAIVERS ARE REQUESTED.

AS FOR THE ALCOHOL, THERE'S NO CURRENT CONFLICT WITH SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE USERS THAT MAY BE COMING, WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE APPROACH THIS NOW SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE USES.

SO, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE THIS PLAT VACATION AND PUD ZONE REQUEST. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM SEVEN.

AND EIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE ON 7 AND

EIGHT TOGETHER. >> WE WILL NOW OPEN UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS 7 AND 8.

WE HAVE NO PHONE CALLS. ANYBODY IN THE AUDITORIUM? ANYBODY FROM THE FLOOR? SEEING NONE.

WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS 7 AND 8.

>> OKAY. WE WILL TAKE THESE UP SEPARATELY. IS THERE A MOTION ON ITEM 7?

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>> THERE IS. THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I MOVE TO ENACT ORDINANCE

2021, >> 2.

>> APPROVING PUD 2020-7 ST. JOHNS COMMERCE SPACE NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> DO WE NEED TO DO NUMBER SEVEN FIRST? PROCEDURALLY IF THAT FAILS --

>> I'M JUST ASKING. >> THAT WAS NUMBER 8.

>> WE WANTED TO DO NUMBER SEVEN FIRST.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION

ON 7? >> YES, I WILL.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2021-

>> 2. >> PETITION FOR PLAT VACATIONING

2020-02 SUBDIVISION OF HILDON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

COMMISSIONER >> YES.

COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BALD RON. WALD

>> YES. YOO WHITEHURST.

>> YES. I VOTE YES ALSO.

>> WE WILL ENTERTAIN MOTION ON ITEM 8.

DO ENACT ORDINANCE 2021. >> 3.

>> BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT BASED ON THE STAFF REPORT.

>> WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. >> WE WILL NOW

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES.

[9. Conservation Land / Passive Park Acquisition Program.]

>> COMMISSIONER >>

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES.

>> I VOTE YES ALSO. THAT PASSES 5-0.

THANK YOU. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO I THINK IS GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH ITEM NINE IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO THE BOARD. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FINISH UP WITHOUT AN EXTENSIVE BREAK. IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE.

LET'S TAKE UP ITEM NINE. >> GOOD MORNING.

COMMISSIONER. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU FROM THE STAFF IS REALLY INTENDED TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK RELATED TO THE LAND ACQUISITION FOR PRESERVATION.

WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A VERY BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LAND PROGRAM THAT WAS ADOPTED BY PREVIOUS BOARDS 1999 AND 2003.

THE TWO ORDINANCES REALLY PROVIDE A GUIDELINE AND RESTRICTIONS ON HOW THE LAND PROGRAM WAS DEVELOPED.

A LAND CONSERVATION PROGRAM AND HOW A LAND BOARD IS ESTABLISHED AND THE SELECTION CRITERIA RELATED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, IT WAS ADOPTED AS A NINE BOARD MEMBERS AND THEY WERE FIVE AREAS OF EXPERTISE THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR AT LEAST FIVE BOARD MEMBERS AND THERE ARE OTHER CRITERIA ON HOW THE LAND BOARD IS TASKED TO REALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS ON POLICIES AND PROCEDURES RELATED TO THE LAND ACQUISITION AND HOW THE RANKING OCCURS AND PART OF A NEGOTIATION TEAM WHEN ACQUISITION DOES OCCUR. THEY WERE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS TO RELATE TO THE INTEREST OF POTENTIAL REENACT THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD WAS DEACTIVATED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FUNDING FROM 2007 DUE TO THE TAX REFORM AND THE RECESSION.

THERE WAS A LOT OF FINANCIALLY AVAILABLE FROM THE STATE TO HELP THE LOCAL LEVELS LAND ACQUISITION, THE FUNDING WAS LIMITED. SO THE ORDINANCE AND THE LAND BOARD WAS KIND OF DEACTIVATED. SO THERE'S INTEREST FROM THIS BOARD TO DISCUSS POTENTIALLY REENACT THE LAND BOARD OR OTHER WAYS OF REINVIGORATE THE LAND FOR RECREATION PURPOSE.

BEFORE YOU WE ARE PROVIDING A EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF OPTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS IS REALLY AGAIN TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR A DISCUSSION. OPTION NUMBER ONE IS TO FULLY RE-ACTIVATE THE FUND FOR THE LAND ORDINANCE AND RE-ACTIVATE THE LAMP ADVISORY BOARD, ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE IN 1999 AND 2003. OPTION TWO, THE BOARD POTENTIALLY COULD CREATE SPECIAL REVENUE FUND AND TO SET ASIDE FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF LAND PASSIVE RECREATION.

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THIS FUND CAN BE USED AS DESIGNATED MATCH FUNDING TO PROGRAMS SUCH AS FLORIDA FOREVER, NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST FUND ET CETERA. THE BOARD CAN IN FACT ADOPT A COMBINATION OF ONE OR TWO OR BOTH.

SO, OPTION NUMBER THREE IS REALLY IN LIEU OF OPTION ONE AND TWO AS TECHNICALLY CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, CONTINUE, IDENTIFY ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES, PROJECTS AND FUNDING SOURCE ON CASE BY CASE BASIS IN LIEU OF A RE-ACTIVATION OF THE LAMP BOARD. UNDER THIS OPTION, THE STAFF CAN POTENTIALLY PROVIDE A PERIODICAL PRESIDENT ON THE PROJECT THAT WE ARE CARRYING ON. WE'RE UNDER WAY AND SOLICIT FEED BACK FROM THE BOARD ON AN INFORMAL BASIS.

THESE ARE THE THREE OPTIONS. IF THE BOARD IS CONSIDERING TO RE-ACTIVATE THE ORDINANCE, THERE ARE A COUPLE CONSIDERATIONS.

ONE-TIME FEE FUNDING. THIS WAS BASED ON PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS FROM THE BOARD, COMMISSIONERS HAVE PROVIDED AND FEEDBACK ON THE INTEREST AND PROVIDING 1-TIME SEED FUNDING FROM $500,000 TO 73 THOUSAND THOUSAND.

AND ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE COULD BE ANNUALLY ESTABLISHED THROUGH YOUR BUDGET ADOPTION PROCESS OR AS THE PARKS FOUNDATION IS TO BE ESTABLISHED. IT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOLICIT PRIVATE FUNDING AND CAN BE MADE BETWEEN SPECIAL REVENUE FUND AND PARK FOUNDATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF LAND ACQUISITION.

AND GRANT FUNDING AS WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN DOING.

JUST PURSUE FUNDINGS FROM FIND, FACT AND PORT WATER AUTHORITY AND OTHER FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAMS. WE CAN CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY THAT.

ACTIVATION PARTNERSHIP, WE COULD POSSIBLY PARTNER WITH FLORIDA LAND TRUST TO BE PURPOSED FOR THAT LAND ACQUISITION PROGRAM.

BECAUSE THERE WAS INDICATED PURPOSE FOR ECOTOURISM, TDC FUNDING COULD BE A POTENTIAL SOURCE AS WELL.

BEFORE YOU ARE THREE POTENTIAL MOTIONS.

CAN BE MODIFIED OR EDITED ANY WAY THE BOARD DESIRES TO BASED ON THE OPTIONS. NUMBER ONE IS TO RE-ACTIVATE AND THE BOARD. NUMBER TWO CREATE A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. NUMBER THREE IS REALLY TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO CONTINUE OUR EFFORT OF ON-GOING LAND ACQUISITION FOR CONSERVATION AND PASSIVE PARK. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

>> BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

>> OKAY. LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON

ITEM NINE. >> PLEASE.

I WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS BRIAN PARADISE. 13 ALBERT CLUB DRIVE.

PONTE VEDRA. I AM HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE SIERRA CLUB. WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND MEMBERS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA.

OUR GROUP STRONGLY RECOMMENDS YOU RE-ACTIVATE THE LAMP ORDINANCE AND APOINT A LAMP ADVISORY BOARD AND YOU SHOULD FUND LAMP IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 AS HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN. WE BELIEVE THAT RE-ACTIVATING AND FUNDING LAMP HAS SEVERAL ADVANTAGE SAYS FOR OUR COUNTY.

FUNDING LAMP MAKES IT MUCH MORE LIKELY WE CAN OBTAIN STATE FUNDING AND MATCHING FUNDS FOR LANDS AND WATERS WHICH THE COUNTY WISHES TO ACQUIRE. FURTHERMORE, THERE'S MEASURES WILL BE AN INVESTMENT IN THE PRESENT AND FUTURE QUALITY OF LIFE AS CITIZENS AND FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL HAVE MORE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR COUNTY WHICH ISING VERY RAPID POPULATION GROWTH. WHICH IS IN NEED OF MORE RECREATIONAL LANDS AND WATERS. ADAPTING THESE PROPOSED MEASURES WILL ALSO MAKE OUR COUNTY MORE TRACTIVE AS A TOURIST AND VISITOR DESTINATION WITH RESULT IN FINANCIAL BENEFITS.... ONE EXAMPLE OF SUPPORT WAS THE PASSAGE OF FLORIDA WATER ANDLANDS CONSERVATION INITIATIVE AMEND.

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APPROVED BY 74.9% OF THE VOTERS OF FLORIDA. ANOTHER INDICATION OF CITIZEN SUPPORT IS THE FAIRLY RECENT FUNDING OF FLORIDA FOREVER BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS WHICH HELPED OUR BUYER REGION ACQUIRE FISH ISLAND. OUR GROUP BELIEVES THERE WILL BE OTHER MATCHING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES IF WE ADEQUATELY FUND LAMP.

AN ADDITIONAL INDICATOR OF CITIZEN SUPPORT IS A 2019 REPORT BY THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WHICH SHOWED 60% OF COUNTY RESIDENTS WOULD SUPPORT A HALF CENT SALES TAX WITH 77% OF RESIDENTS WANTING TO PAY AT LEAST A DOLLAR TO $5 PER MONTH IN ADDITIONAL TAXES TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE COUNTY. OUR MEMBERS STAND REALLY TO PROVIDE VOLUNTEER SERVICES TO LAMP, INCLUDING SERVING ON AN ADVISORY BOARD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONVERSATION OF THESE COMMENTS ON THIS MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.

AND THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE AS COMMISSIONERS. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL GO TO THE PHONES. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE PUBLIC

RECORD. >> YES, HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS DIANE DELTA. I LIVE AT 631 SWEETWATER BRANCH LANE. ZIP CODE 32259. THIS WEEKEND, I VISITED FT.

GEORGE ISLAND CULTURAL PARK IN THE JACKSONVILLE -- I'M SORRY, I CANNOT HEAR YOU.

I'M GETTING -- OKAY. I SEE. OKAY.

THIS WEEKEND, I VISITED FT. GEORGE ISLAND CULTURE CENTRAL STATE PARK IN JACKSONVILLE TRAIL PARKS, IT'S A COLLECTION OF FEDERAL, STATE, CITY AND LOCAL TRAILS, PARKS AND PRESERVES.

THE FOUR HOURS I SPENT THERE DIS PEDAL MY CABIN FEVER AND PROVIDED EXERCISE.

THIS FRIDAY I'M GOING TO TROUT CREEK WITH OUR COUNTY NATURALISTS FOR A KAYAK TRIP.

LAMP HAS BEEN DEFUNCT MORE THAN 12 YEARS. NOW 12 YEARS LATER, ST. JOHNS IS THE 14TH FASTEST-GROWING COUNTY IN THE U.S. WHILE EVERY PROPOSAL THE BCC HEARD THIS MORNING TOUTS SPACES FOR GROWING POPULATION, THERE'S NO THOUGHT FOR AREAS CONNECTING TO BLUE WAYS AND GREEN WAYS THAT OFFER OUR GROWING POPULATION AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH NATURE, SOMETHING SCIENTISTS DISCOVER IS ESSENTIAL TO GOOD MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH AND THE OVERALL HEALTH OF OUR ECO SYSTEMS. AS BRIAN SAID, THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS FUNDED FLORIDA FOREVER PROGRAM AND OUR COUNTY IS GOING TO NEED TO PROVIDE MATCHING FUNDS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. THE COUNTY HAS THE WHEREWITHAL.

DENNIS HOLLINGSWORTH TOLD THE COMMISSIONER THE COUNTY HAS SURPLUS FUNDS.

WE TALK ABOUT THE REAL FLORIDA, OUR HISTORY AND UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS DEMAND WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE REAL FLORIDA. THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION DEVELOPED A FIVE-YEAR GREEN WAYS AND TRAILS PLAN PREFERSING THE LANDS WE NEED FOR OUR STATES GROWING COUNTIES, INCLUDING US. WE ASK THAT SOME OF OUR EXCESS COUNTY FUNDS BE ALLOCATED TO STAR AND SUPPORT LAMP AND FUND THOSE DEP PLANS SO WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR MATCHING FUNDS FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND FLORIDA FOREVER.

OUR CITIZENS DESERVE TO HAVE LAMP ALLOCATED AT A $500,000 YEARLY LEVEL.

THE ISSUE NEEDS ACTIVE STEWARDSHIP, NOT JUST A LINE ITEM IN A BUDGET NOR DEPENDENCE ON A CASE-BY-CASE DECISION. THE BOARD WOULD BE IN POSITION TO CONSIDER OUR POSITIONS.

IT'S A -- I HOPE YOU SUPPORT FUNDING THE LAMP ORDINANCE AND APPOINTING A LAMP ADVISORY

BOARD. >> THANK YOU, MISS BATTLE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> HELLO?

IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE? >> I THINK I JUST SPOKE. DIANE BATTLE.

>> YES, YOU DID. >> WE'RE WAITING FOR THE NEXT ONE, MISS BATTLE.

THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO HANG UP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

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THE RECORD AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. HELLO, IS SOMEONE THERE? HELLO? HELLO? IS ANYONE ON THE LINE? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDITORIUM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> ARE YOU THERE? >> OH. >> WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE?

>> SHOULD I GO AHEAD? >> YES, SIR. >> I'M WILLIAM SNOW, 1028 MEADOW VIEW LANE, ST. AUGUSTINE. I STRONGLY SUPPORT REINSTATING THE LAMP PROGRAM.

ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS ONE OF THE PASTEST GROWING COUNTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

DEVELOP IS BOMB BOOMING BUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS AND PRESERVE OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT HAS NOT KEPT PACE. OUR COUNTY IS HEADING FOR A FUTURE OF AUTOMOBILE CONGESTION. PAVEMENT AND BUILDINGS RADICALLY CHANGING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT DEFINES ST. JOHNS COUNTY. IN ADDITION THE INCREASE IN HUMAN POPULATION AND DEMANDS PLACED A STRAIN ON OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THREATENING ITS ABILITY TO SUSTAIN US, OUR FISHERIES, AGRICULTURE, OUR CLEAN AIR AND WATER, OUR ABILITY TO WITHSTAND EXTREME WEATHER.

IN ORDER TO MANAGE GROWTH RESPONSIBLY BY MEETING THESE THREATS, WE NEED A PLANNING PROCESS WHICH TAKES THE CONCERNS OF OUR CITIZENS AND TRANSLATES THOSE INTO MEANINGFUL, EFFECTIVE PLANS OF ACTION. THIS IS WHAT THE LAMP WAS DESIGNED TO DO.

IT'S BEEN DORMANT NOW SINCE 200 #. IT'S TIME TO RESTART LAMP.

I'M GRATEFUL THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO CONSIDER REINSTATING LAMP.

THERE ARE THREE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE AND I ASK YOU TO CHOOSE OPTION 1.

OPTION 2 ELIMINATES THE ADVISORY BOARD, A KEY COMPONENT OF THE LAMP ORDINANCE.

AN ADVISORY BOARD HAS THE EXPERTISE TO IDENTIFY AND PRIORITIZE ACQUISITIONS FOR THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL AND HISTORICAL IMPORTANCE. THE BOARD IS ALSO A MEANS FOR SOLICITING CITIZENS INPUT ON DECISIONS REGARDING LAND CONSERVATION SO IT REFLECTS THE WILL OF THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. OPTION 3 IS STATUS QUO WHICH RESULTED IN ONLY THREE ACQUISITION IN TEN YEARS. RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS BOARD TO BORDER HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, HIGHWAYS AND SHOPPING CENTERS AND OUR MARSHES ARE DYING AND WEATHER WAYS ARE POLLUTED, COMMISSIONER CAN PROVIDE LEADERSHIP TO BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF OUR GREAT COUNTY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

PLEASE REINSTATE THE LAMP PROGRAM TODAY AND PRESERVE, NURTURE AND SUSTAIN OUR BEAUTIFUL ST. JOHNS. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF MY

CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE

AUDITORIUM? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS LISA MCGLYNN, PINEHURST PLACE, ST. AUGUSTINE. THERE'S LOTS OF CALLERS TRYING TO GO THROUGH. I'LL SAY THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING THE LAMP PROGRAM.

I SENT YOU A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY ROUND TABLE AND CITIZENS FOR SMART GROWTH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERING THIS, PLEASE SUPPORT THE LAMP PROGRAM.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. IS THERE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE?

IS THERE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE? IS THERE SOMEBODY ON THE LINE? >> ARE YOU THERE?

>> HELLO. >> GO AHEAD. >> IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE?

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IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A THREE OR FOUR MINUTE BREAK AND SEE WHAT'S UP OR JUST CONTINUE?

>> I'M GETTING AN ERROR. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET'S GIVE IT ANOTHER MOMENT AND LET'S SEE

IF THEY CAN GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE CLOSE TO GETTING IT RESOLVED. >> CAN YOU --

>> MISS CLATEY, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, COME ON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> IT IS A GOOD AFTERNOON.

B.J. CLATEY, WEST SIDE OF ST. AUGUSTINE. OPTION ONE IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD CHOOSE. I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IT BEING AN ADVISORY BOARD WHO ARE FOR CONSERVATION LAND ACQUISITION MORE SO THAN PASSIVE RECREATION.

WE HAVE TO HAVE PASSIVE CONSERVATION SO YOU CAN SEE THE BIRDS, DO WHATEVER, WALK AROUND AND MAYBE BIKE AROUND. THE THING TO DO WITH THE 500,000, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. THAT'S GREAT. THE TDC FUNDING.

NO, DOES TDC HAVE ANY MONEY? THEY SHOULD GIVE IT TO ART, WHEREVER. NO TDC FUNDING. TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX? NO. LET THEM DO THAT. WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE LAND BECAUSE FISH ISLAND -- I'M GLAD THE GENTLEMAN SAID SOMETHING ABOUT FISH ISLAND.

-- FISH ISLAND, NEXT TO IT IS GOING TO BE A CAR WASH BY GATE PETROLEUM UNLESS WE DO SOMETHIN.

UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING SO THAT OUR CONSERVATION LANDS WILL BE PRESERVED FOR, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTY. I HOPE THESE PEOPLE ON THE LINE CAN GET IN.

IF THERE ARE CALLERS ON THE LINE, PLEASE PROCEED ON ITEM 9, THE LAMP PROGRAM.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> ED SLAVEN, ED SLAVEN.COM AND I'M CALLING IN SUPPORT OF OPTION 1 WITH A FUNDING LEVEL OF $5 MILLION.

IT WAS A DISGRACE THAT PROGRAM WAS ALLOWED TO LAPSE FOR SO LONG AND IT'S ALMOST A SLAP IN THE FACE TO SAY ONLY $500,000. LET'S PROVIDE FOR A MEANINGFULLY DIVERSE ADVISORY GROUP, NOT JUST A GROUP OF TALKING HEADS OR SHILLS. WE NEED TO BE VERY COMPLIANT IN THIS PROCESS WITH THE TITLE 6 OF THE 1965 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. ETA YOU SAID PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL SHORTLY START TO EMPHASIZE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE CONCERNS AND WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY'S DISTRICT A LONG HISTORY OF IGNORING THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND LOW INCOME AND MINORITY COMMUNITIES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE DID, TAKING A LAND FULL AND PUTTING IT IN A LAKE IN WEST ST. AUGUSTINE. THEN WHEN WE CAUGHT THEM, DEMANDING THEY NOT BE PROSECUTED AND DEMANDING THEY TAKE 2,000 TRUCKLOADS OF CONTAMINATED SOLID WASTE BACK TO LINCOLN VILLA, PUT DIRT ON TOP OF IT AND CALL IT A PARK.

THAT'S BEEN THE APPROACH WE'VE HAD TO PARKS AND PROTECTING CREATION IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

NOT VERY SMART. WE NEED TO PUT ON THE TABLE IN TERMS OF COOPERATION ON LAMP,

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COOPERATION WITH THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, NOAA, WORKING TO MAKE ST. AUGUSTINE A NATURAL HISTORICAL PARK AND SEASHORE. 140 ACRES IN TWO COUNTIES. IT WOULD BE THE PRIDE AND JOY OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. OPTION 1, PLEASE.

$5 MILLION AND A FAIRLY BALANCESSED ADVISORY COMMITTEE. LET'S INCORPORATE BY REFERENCE THE ENTITLEMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE ACT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ON THE LINE? ANYONE ON THE LINE?

>> YES. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> CHRIS OF -- FLORIDA AND MYSELF, TO GIVE OUR SUPPORT FOR OPTION 1, REACTIVATE AND FUND THE LAMP ADVISORY. THE TERM LAMP STANDS FOR LAN ACQUISITION AND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. WHILE IT'S TECHNICALLY CORRECT YOU MUST I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS THE PROGRAM IS NOT ABOUT RECREATIONAL RESOURCES. ONLY ONES WILLING AND AFTER FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD IF THEY DETERMINE IT WOULD BENEFIT THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTY. RESTARTING THE LAMP -- ALLOWS -- FOR UNIQUE -- AS THEY ARISE. CREWS FUNDS, HAVING A LAMP BOARD IN PLACE WILL HELP THE COUNTY DETERMINE WHICH PROJECTS ARE MOST IMPORTANT AND ALLOW THE COUNTY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC SUPPORT AND AVOID USING -- LOOKING ON THE PAST SHALL IT SHOWS THE TYPE OF PROJECTS YOU CAN EXPECT MOVING FORWARD AND HOW A RELATIVELY SMALL -- BROUGHT IN TO SECURE VALUABLE RESOURCES. ONE -- LOCATION WHERE MUCH OF THE SHORELINE A PRIVATELY OWNED AND TO PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNITY EVENTS. IT PROVIDES VALUABLE WILDLIFE HABITAT.

ADDITIONALLY, LIKE THE OTHERS, I HAVE LEARNED THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE AND WHY WE HAVE COMMUNITY NAMES LIKE THE OPPORTUNITIES WITHOUT ON --

>> THANK YOU, CHRIS. >> HELLO, THIS IS -- >> HELLO?

>> HELLO, THIS IS J JOE MCINERN5 BLACKBERRY LANE, ST. JOHNS, 3259.

I'M CALLING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE LAMP PROGRAM, PARTICULARLY THAT THE U.S.

COMMISSIONERS CONSIDER OPTION 1. I KNOW THAT MR. WHITEHURST AND MR. DEAN HAD MADE A MOTION IN DECEMBER. PART OF THAT WAS FUNDING. I WOULD NOT WANT YOUR DECISION TO, ON ANY OF THE THREE OPTIONS, TO NECESSARILY GET HUNG UP ON FUNDING, WHETHER 370 OR 500 OR MORE. IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT YOU INVOLVE ALL CITIZENS HERE IN ST.

JOHNS COUNTY. YOU HAVE FANTASTIC, EAGER, AND INTELLIGENT CONSTITUENTS HERE.

YOU WILL BE AMAZED WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR YOU AND FOR ALL OF US.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE OPTION 1, APPROVE THE LAMP PROGRAM, AND DETERMINE A FAIR

FUNDING MECHANISM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCINERNEY.

>> IS THERE SOMEONE ON THE LINE? >> YES, GOOD AFTERNOON. JEN -- KANSAS RIVER KEEPERS,R.

FIRST AND FOREMOST --

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ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE IN SUPPORT OF THE ADVISORY BOARD AND ORDINANCE.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTION THAT -- WAY TO ENSURE THE RATE OF DEVELOPMENT IS COUNTER BALANCED BY THE PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES IN ORDER TO PRESERVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. BACK IN 2019 AS PART OF OUR ST.

JOHNS COUNTY 2070 WORKSHOP, CONSERVATION LAND WAS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ITEM FOR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. IN 2019 AS PART OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY PARKS AND RECREATION PLAY OF RESPONDANTS SUPPORTED INCREASED FEES OR TAXES. WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS NOT AN INCREASE IN FEES OR TAXES BUT THIS UNDERSCORES NOT ONLY IS LAMP IMPORTANT TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS, IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY TAX DOLLARS FOR.

IT'S TELLING THAT THE STUDY WAS PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY AND CREATED BY AN INDEPENDENT PLANNING FIRM. LAND CONSERVATION IS A TOP PRIORITY NOT JUST AMONGST THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY BUT CROODS ACROSS THE BOARD. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THE FIRST OPTION AND NOT THE SECOND OPTION PRESENTED. PRESENTED LAND CONSERVATION IS DEFE DESERVES OA DEDICATED BOARD THAT MEETS REGULARLY TO WORK FOR DETERMINED GOALS. IF IT'S A FUND WITH NO DEDICATED BOARD IT WON'T SEE THE ATTENTION IT NEEDS. THERE ARE MANY WITH EXPERTISE ON LAND CONSERVATION THAT WOULD PROVIDE VALUABLE INSIGHTS AND PLANNING WITHOUT A ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THERE'S NO PROGRAM, IT'S REACTION GNAR. THERE WILL BE NO PROCESS FOR SETTING GOALS, CREATING A STRATEGY AND WORKING TOWARD THE GOAL. -- HOW IT BEST ALLOCATE AND LEVERAGE THAT MONEY AND THAT REQUIRES A CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

FOR THESE REASONS I REQUEST YOU VOTE IN SUPPORT OF REACTIVATING AND FUNDING THE LAMP ORDINANCE AND APPOINTING A LAMP ADVISORY BOARD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR

CONSIDERATION. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, PLEASE STATE

YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGGEN THIEN CORD, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA. GENTLEMEN, ONE OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, HE SAID THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE WALL-TO-WALL COUNTY.

WELL, WHEN HE SAID THAT, I WANT TO TELL YOU, I LIVED IT. 1979, JULY, I MOVED TO ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA. I LEFT THERE IN '04. I WATCHED THE COUNTY GO WALL-TO-WALL BUILDING. BUILDING, BUILDING. I ACTUALLY CAN REMEMBER THE MORNING HEARING ON THE NEWS WHEN THEY SAID THE LAST LOT OF LAND WAS SOLD BEFORE EL TORO BECAME AVAILABLE. IT'S A MARINE BASE THAT CLOSED DOWN AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PARK AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF POLLUTION ON IT. THAT'S THE ONLY VACANT LAND THEY GOT. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TIMES I AGREE WITH SLAVEN BUT HE'S CORRECT ON THIS WITH THE EXCEPT OF THE NATURAL PARK AND SEASHORE. I AGREE WITH THE $5 MILLION -- AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN GET AND ADVISORY BOARD BUT I ALWAYS WANTED TO COME BACK BEFORE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, NOT THE APPOINTED OFFICIALS, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS NEED TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.

I WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT OPTION 1. I KIND OF FAVOR A LOT OF THE STUFF BECOMING MORE RECREATION BY I GO ALONG WITH OPTION 1 BUT I DON'T GO ALONG WITH THE FUNDING. I GO ALONG WITH ADDING A ZERO TO THE FUNDING, $5 MILLION.

WHAT IS $500,000? YOU KNOW WHAT $500,000 TO A COUNTY LIKE THIS IS? CHUMP CHANGE. YOU HAVE OVER A BILLION DOLLARS ECONOMY.

THE COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE NOT CHUMPS. WE NEED TO PUT $5 MILLION INTO THIS, BUY UP THE LAND AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IN ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, THE ONLY TIME THERE'S NOT TRAFFIC IS FROM 3:30 IN THE MORNING TO 4:15.

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THAT'S THE ONLY TIME. OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A GIANT TRAFFIC JAM AND I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, THIS COMMISSION AND THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS HAVE A LOT IN COMMON WITH THOSE OLD COUNTY, CALIFORNIA COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY KEPT APPROVING AND APPROVING.

LIKE WHAT GOES ON HERE. WE DON'T LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY WANT TO DEVELOP. I'M NOT ONE. BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE DON'T HAVE THE JOB GROWTH, SO I GET TO TELL YOU, I WORRY ABOUT THE FUTURE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

I DON'T BELIEVE MY SONS WILL BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE UNLESS YOU GET MORE GOOD JOBS.

ANYWAYS, I URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS, APPOINT A COMMITTEE, BE THE FINAL BOSSES.

ADD A ZERO AND GET $5 MILLION IN THAT FUND AND LET'S CONSERVE THIS COUNTY AND BUY UP AS MUCH LAND AS WE CAN. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> NICOLE CROSBY, 1169 NECK ROAD. I'M -- FIRST TIME I MADE A PUBLIC COMMENT REPRESENTING NOT JUST MY PERSONAL VIEWS OR THE POSITION OF A NONPROFIT BUT THE VIEWS OF 73,000 ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO VOTED FOR ME BECAUSE OF MY LARGE -- THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS REPUBLICANS VERSUS DEMOCRATS.

EVERYONE IS DEEPLY CONSIDERED ABOUT THE COUNTY MORPHING INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE BEGINNING TO SEE IT HAPPEN. MICROBEACH IS A RED FLAG.

IT SERVES HALF THE COUNTY AND THIS SUMMER FAMILIES WERE LEAVING DUE TO LACK OF PARKING.

YOU CAN'T GO TO THE BEACH. IT DOESN'T TAKE LONG FOR PUDS TO ADD UP UNTIL YOU FIND YOURSELF IN A 5-MILE, BUMPER-TO-BUMPER TRAFFIC JAM. I EXPERIENCED THAT IN AUSTIN, TEXAS YEARS AFTER GROWING UP IN A SUBURB. AUSTIN EXPLODED.

TRAFFIC JAMS RIVAL THOSE OF NEW YORK CITY AND IT COULD HAPPEN HERE IF WE DON'T BUILD CAREFULLY. DEVELOPERS LOVE TO CRITICIZE PEOPLE LIKE US SAYING YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANT AND YOU WANT TO STOP EVERYONE ELSE FROM GETTING WHAT YOU HAVE.

I WANT EVERYBODY TO MOVE TO OUR COUNTY TO ENJOY WHAT I HAVE. REASONABLE TRAFFIC, UNCROWDED PUBLIC SPACES, BREATHTAKING LOOKS AT NATURE, CLEAN AIR AND THE ABILITY TO EVACUATE FOR A HURRICANE WITHOUT TAKING MY LIFE IN MY HANDS. I MADE A STRONG CASE FOR FUNDING THE $500,000. ANYTHING LESS THAN $22,000 PUTS US BELOW WHERE WE WERE WHEN LAMP WAS ESTABLISHED IN 20003. WE'RE TALKING $1.80 A PERSON. WE CAN AFFORD.

THIS WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LEAVE STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS ON THE TABLE.

IN THE SPIRIT OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION FUNDING THE OUT DOORS ACT IN THE MIDST OF A PANDEMIC AND IN PART BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, I ASK YOU TO FULLY FUND LAMP AND CONSIDER THE AMENITIES THAT RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR, WATER, VIEWS, BEACH, OLD FOREST AND PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEY LIVE ARE EXPENSIVE. THEY'RE --

BIG PRICE TAGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MISS CROSBY.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 9? ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 9.

>> THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WHAT I --

>> MR. VICE CHAIR, WE HAVE MEMBERS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

YOU JUST ANNOUNCED PUBLIC COMMENT JUST FOR THIS ITEM IS CLOSED.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS LATER. >> WELL, THIS IS ON ITEM 9 EXCLUSIVELY.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IF THE BOARD ALLOWS, SINCE I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST MONTH, THERE'S AN ITEM AND SUGGESTED AND MADE A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND LET ME -- AS I MAKE THE MOTION, LET ME SAY THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE OPTION 1 AND I'M GOING TO MOVE OPTION 1 BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT'S CRITICAL TO HAVE A ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A DEEP RESERVOIR OF TALENT AND EXPERTISE, AND

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COMMITMENT IN THIS COUNTY ACROSS THE BOARD. AND WE DO THIS ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ADVISORY ECONOMIES. ECONOMIES COMMITTEES, WE'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH OUR RESERVATION AND PARKS COMMITTEE. WE'RE SO SUCCESSFUL WITH THE LIBRARY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE PZA. WE HAVE TREMENDOUS TALENT IN THIS COUNTY. WE SHOULD RELY ON THESE PEOPLE WHO HELP US BECAUSE THEY DO KNOW ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTY AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES, AND LET ME STRESS AGAIN, AS I DID LAST MONTH, IT'S ADVISORY ONLY. WE, THE COMMISSION, WOULD MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON THE EXPENDITURE OF ANY FUNDS AND SELECTION OF ANY PROPERTIES TO ACQUIRE. SO I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO US TO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WITH RESPECT TO THE FUNDING, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN STATED THAT IT DOESN'T -- IT'S NOT A CRITICAL DECISION WHETHER IT'S 370 OR 500.

I'LL JUST SAY THIS. IN AN EFFORT TO NOT MAKE PERFECT THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD, WE HAD A DISCUSSION LAST MONTH AND I ENTERTAINED COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST'S AMENDMENT TO CHANGE FROM 500 TO 370. BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION AND AGREEMENT, I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK ON THAT. I'M IN A POSITION WHERE I'M GOING TO OFFER A MOTION ON OPTION 1 TO CREATE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AT THE FUNDING LEVEL OF 370,000.

LET ME ADD THAT IF COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST OR ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO ASK TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO INCREASE IT TO $500,000, NOT 5 MILLION BUT $500,000, THEN I WOULD WHOLE HARTLEY SUPPORT THAT AS PART OF MY MOTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE.

BUT WE DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON 370 LAST MONTH. SO MY MOTION IS TO REESTABLISH THE LAMP PROGRAM, REESTABLISH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN THE ORDINANCE AND FUND LAMP AT AN ANNUAL LEVEL OF 370,000 COMMENCING THIS FISCAL YEAR WE'RE IN. THAT'S MY MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> COMMISSIONER DEAN, THIS IS COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. I WILL SECOND IT BUT I WOULD ASK

WE UP THAT TO 500,000. >> OKAY. I WILL ENTERTAIN THAT CHANGE AND SO THE MOTION AS SECONDED WOULD BE TO ACCEPT OPTION 1 WITH A FUNDING LEVEL OF $500,000.

IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, I'LL CALL -- >> I DID HAVE ONE, COMMISSIONER

DEAN. >> YES. >> ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IF THIS PASSES, WHICH I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF. I WOULD LIKE US TO GO OVER THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE SURE IT'S UP TO DATE, THE NEW LAWS AND WHAT WE WANT IN THE ORDINANCE BEFORE

THAT ORDINANCE IS AUTOMATICALLY REDONE. >> SURE.

SHORTY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> NO I DON'T. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

BEFORE I CALL FOR THE VOTE? >> I WOULD MAKE A CLEAR THAT THE LAST -- ON THE DECEMB DECEMBER 14TH MEETING, I MADE MY POSITION CLEAR AND I'LL ADHERE TO THAT.

AT RISK OF BEING REDUNDANT, I WON'T RESTATE. >> WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST?

>> YES.

[10. St. Johns County Emergency Management Ordinance.]

IT'S 1:15, WE'LL RECONVENE THE MEETING AND START WITH ITEM 10 ON THE AGENDA.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. REBECCA LAVY.

WE HAVE THE SECOND READING OF THE PROPOSED RESCISSIONS TO THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE. I HAVE PLACED A SHEET OF PAPER WITH THE PROPOSED RESCI REVISION THE OVERHEAD. CAN WE ZOOM IN ON SECTION B? THANK YOU, PERFECT.

SO AT THE DECEMB DECEMBER 29TH SPECIAL MEETING, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS DIRECTED THE OFFENSE OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO PREPARE REVISIONS TO THE METHOD WHICH A

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LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IS EXTENDED. THE BOARD HAD A FIRST READING OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES AT THE JANUARY 12 SPECIAL MEETING AND IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO YOU FOR A SECOND READING BY WAY OF SUMMARY. THE REVISIONS REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT A QUORUM OF THE BOARD ATTEMPT TO BE MET TO EXTEND A STATE OF EMERGENCY.

THE FOLLOWING PARTIES COULD EXTEND A STATE OF LOCAL EMERGENCY.

FIRST THE CHAIR OR IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIR, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OR HIS OR HER DESIGNEE. AND THEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY WOULD STILL BE TERMINATED UPON THE FAILURE TO EXTEND THE STATE OF EMERGENCY AS PROVIDED OR UPON A FINDING OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES GIVING RISE TO THE STATE OF EMERGENCY NO LONGER EXISTED. WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO YOU WOULD -- IS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE IN FULL AND WOULD REPEAL AND REPLACE THE EXISTING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE COUNTY CODE CLEAN AND ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT IT WOULD NOT AFFECT ANY ORDERS THAT WERE ISSUED UNDER THE EXISTING EMERGENCY

MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION?

NO QUESTIONS, OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 10. TOM REYNOLDS, 15 BRIG DEAN COURT. COMMISSIONERS, THE DELAY IS SO LONG ON THE INTERNET, LIKE RIGHT NOW I'M GIVING PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE LADY IS STILL TALKING. SO ANYWAYS, I'M GOING ON THE BLIND. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, FIRST OF ALL I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS A LEGITIMATE FIRST READING, NOW THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

IF ALL THIS SUMS UP TO ONLY ONE PERSON, ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL, IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION, I'M GOING TO BE DEAD AGAINST IT. IF THIS IS JUST TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKING IT, I'M GOING TO BE AGAINST IT. I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING SHOULD BE GOING ON WITH LESS THAN THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS, PEOPLE THAT THE RESIDENTS AND VOTERS CAN HOLD ACCOUNTABLE FOR DECISION-MAKING. NOT ONE PERSON. I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE FACT THAT HUNTER CONRAD MAKES DECISIONS BY HIMSELF, THOUGH HE'S A VERY INTELLIGENT MAN, AN ACCOUNTANT AS WELL. I HAVE TO GIVE THE GUY A LOT OF CREDIT, HE'S SUPER SMART BUT I'M THE TYPE OF PERCHR PERSON THAT BELIEVES THREE HEADS ARE BETTER THAN ONE.

WHY WE CAN'T HAVE FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MAKING A DECISION. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M UNDERSTANDING ALL THE ADJUSTMENTS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OR NOT BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU, IF THERE'S ANYTHING LESS THAN FIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS, FOUR OR THREE -- THREE AT THE MAXIMUM. I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THREE ELECTED OFFICIALS MAKE A DECISION. I PREFER FOUR OR FIVE. I CAN UNDER TWO HAVING AN EMERGENCY AT THE SAME TIME. I HAVE TO ADMIT, I WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED.

JEREMY -- YEAH, BOCK IS NOT HERE TODAY BUT HE ALSO DOES OTHER THINGS.

I GIVE HIM CREDIT, HE'S A VERY SMART MAN BUT HE'S THE CHAIRMAN AND HE HAS MISSED A LOT OF MEETINGS. MORE THAN ANYBODY I'VE SEEN EVER MISS MEETINGS.

THERE AGAIN, HE'S ON THE PHONE AND IF WE HAD ANY DECISIONS TO MAKE, THEN JEREMIAH BLOCKER COULD BE A CHAIRMAN ON THE PHONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. COMMISSIONERS, I SAY VOTE IT DOWN, GIVE IT THE BOOT IF IT'S ANYTHING LESS. I MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE THING.

I HAVEN'T READ THE BACKUP, THERE'S SO MANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S SO MUCH TO COVER AND I HAVE TO MANAGE TO WORK 60-70 HOURS A WEEK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT.

VOTE IT DOWN, IF IT GIVES ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL OR TWO ELECTED OFFICIALS AUTHORITY.

I HATE THAT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THREE, FOUR OR FIVE.

AGAIN, I WANT TO MENTION, HUNTER CONRAD IS A VERY SMART PERSON BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH JUST ONE

PERSON IN ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084.

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COMMISSIONERS, I DON'T THINK THIS AMENDMENT IS NECESSARY AND I QUESTION WHETHER YOU EVER HAD A PROPER FIRST READING. I THINK THE IDEA, AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, AS BURK SAID, THE IDEA OF A REPRESENTATIVE IS THEY EXERCISE THEIR JUDGMENT. BASICALLY THE NEWEST COMMISSIONER, IMMEDIATELY UPON TAKING OFFICE, WENT TO GIVE AWAY PART OF HIS JUDGMENT, PART OF HIS RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS, AFTER ALL, A JUDGMENT JOB.

THAT'S WHY WE ELECT Y'ALL. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD UNDER THE DELEGATION DOCTRINE DO SUCH A VAGUE DELEGATION WITHOUT STANDARDS THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DELEGATE TO THE CHAIRMAN AND IF HE'S NOT AVAILABLE, YOU'RE GOING TO DELEGATE TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN WHO ELSE AND WHY? AND YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE MUCH OF AN IDEA IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND THE WAY YOU'RE RUNNING OUR GOVERNMENT OF SEPARATION OF POWER, SEPARATION OF FUNCTIONS, CHECKS AND BALANCES.

WE DON'T HAVE LOBBYIST REGISTRATION YET. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN 2018.

WE DON'T HAVE A INDEPENDENT OMBUDSMAN. BUT EVERY MEETING, YOU HAVE ITEM AFTER ITEM AFTER ITEM, UNLIMITED TIME. YOU SAY THAT -- THE LOBBYIST OR THE LAWYER OR PLANNER OR DEVELOPER EXPECT OF THE CENTER BEING SOMEBODY FROM THE POSITION OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. ALL OUR LAWS ARE WRITTEN BY LOBBYIST AND WE DELEGATE THAT FUNCTION TO THEM AND NOW THE NEW GUY WANTS TO DELEGATE THE FUNCTION OF DECLARING EMERGENCIES TO THE STAFF. I DON'T LIKE IT. IT'S UN-AMERICAN.

IT SMACKS OF BUREAUCRACY. AND HONORING BUREAUCRACY BEYOND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE HONORED.

BEFORE REYNOLDS WON'T LIKE THIS BUT THANK YOU FOR FIRING MICHAEL DAVID WITH ANCZECH.

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHERE WE WOULDABLE WITHOUT THIS EMERGENCY IF HE WERE STILL THERE.

HE WAS A AAUTHOR THEIRAN, MASSAGE INSIST, HOMOPHOBIC AND A BAD MANAGER.

I'M GLAD HUNTER CONRAD IS ON THE SCROD BUT AS OUR COUNTY FATHER SAID IN THE FEDERALIST PAPERS, THIS IS A GOVERNMENT OF LAWS. NOT MEN. ALL FIVE OF Y'ALL SHOULD BE -- IF YOU WANT TO ATTEND BY PHONE OR BY ZOOM, THAT'S FINE. BUT DON'T TRY TO DELEGATE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY WHEN YOU JUST TOOK OVER A JOB. KIND MUCH REMINDS ME OF WHAT MY IRISH GRANDFATHER SAID. A GENTLEMAN HE HIRED DURING THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

HE WORKED A FEW HOURS SWEEPING UP THEN QUIT AND GRANDAD SAYS WHY AND HE SAID THE IR HOURS ARE TOO LONG AND THE WORK'S TOO HARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, IF THE WORK'S TOO HARD, QUIT. DON'T BE WASTING OUR TIME. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? AGENDA ITEM NO. 10.

B.J. CLATEY, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. THIS SECOND READING FOR THIS ST.

JOHNS COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE SHOULD NOT PASS.

PAGE 2, 4F, DECLARES ST. JOHNS COUNTY TO DECLARE AN EMERGENCY NOT ONLY THE PRESIDENT OR THE UNITED STATES, WRONG. THIS GIVES TOO MUCH AUTHORITY TO THE CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, ADMINISTRATOR OR DIRECTOR WHEN THREE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE UNABLE TO MEET.

IF YOU CAN'T MEET, DON'T DO THE JOB. YOU GOT TO CALL IN ALL THE TIME, YOU NEED TO RESIGN. YOU'RE CHANGING THE LAWS AND MAKING IT INCONVENIENT FOR THE PUBLIC. PAGE 5, SECTION 5B. AGAIN, THE CHAIR OR BCC ADMINISTRATOR OR DESIGNEE WILL BE GIVEN TOO MANY AUTHORITY TO EXTEND EMERGENCY WITHOUT MEETING. THERE SHOULD BE MEETINGS ON THIS.

PAGE 6, 6A. THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE EMERGENCY ORDERS AND RULES WITHOUT BOARD ACTION. HE WAS NOT ELECTED.

YOU FIVE PEOPLE WERE ELECTED TO DO A JOB. IF YOU CAN'T DO IT, THERE'S ONLY ONE THING YOU SHOULD DO, RESIGN. THIS IS VERY WRONG, WHAT IS HAPPENING.

VERY WRONG, WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT. VERY WRONG.

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BUT YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO VOTE AGAIN SOMETIME.

THIS IS VERY WRONG. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. I HOPE THAT GETS IN THE RECORD, VERY WRONG.

ANY OR PUBLIC COMMENT, AGENDA ITEM 10. SEEING NONE, I CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION, I THINK, MAYBE TO REBECCA OR PATRICK. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SPIN I THINK ON THIS ITEM THAN THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. THIS IS MY VIEW.

THE WAY I READ 5B, WHAT I THOUGHT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS PROVIDE FOR AN AVENUE FOR THE CHAIRMAN OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXTEND THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION FOR SEVEN DAYS, AND THAT IF THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT ITEMS THAT WERE GOING TO BE IN FRONT OF THE CHAIRMAN OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON ANY GIVEN TUESDAY, THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HAD WITH MR. CONRAD IS HE WOULD ALERT US AND IF WE WANTED TO, AND I WOULD INTEND TO, COME AND DISCUSSED A VOTE ON A SIGNIFICANT BUDGET ITEM OR POLICY CHANGE.

TO ME, WHAT -- THE REASON I WAS GOING TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE IS THAT IF ALL WE'RE DOING AS A COUNTY IS EXTENDING THE EMERGENCY DECLARATION FOR SEVEN DAYS, THEN IF THAT'S THE ISSUE, IF THAT'S THE DECISION TO BE MADE, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING THAT IN THE HANDS OF THE CHAIRMAN OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND SORT OF BE ADVISED FROM WEEK-TO-WEEK IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER ITEMS ADDED TO THAT SPECIAL MEETING OR THAT SPECIAL DECISION MADE ON THAT TUESDAY. THAT'S -- I KNOW I'M RAMBLING BUT THAT'S MY IDEA.

SO I'M -- WITH THAT SAID, UNLESS I'M WRONG, AND SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, UNLESS I'M WRONG, THEY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ITEM WITH THIS CHANGE. SO HUNTER, DO YOU SEE WHAT I AM

SAYING? >> YES, SIR, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

>> OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE CORRECT.

THIS ONLY EXTENDS TO THE EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY.

EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD REMAIN AS THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY STANDS. >> BUT AS ONE COMMISSIONER, WHO HAS ATTENDED VIRTUALLY ALL WEEKLY MEETINGS GOING BACK TO MARCH, I MISSED A COUPLE IN JUNE BECAUSE OF MY AGE BUT I'M HAPPY TO COME EVERY TUESDAY. IF NEED BE, I CAN COME EVERY TUESDAY AND PARTICIPATE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT. IF THAT'S AN ITEM TO DISCUSS, BESIDES OTHER THAN JUST THE EXTENSION OF THE SEVEN-DAY PROCLAMATION.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. ANY OTHER ITEMS OF BUSINESS THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE COME BEFORE THE BOARD AT A SPECIAL MEETING WOULD STILL NEED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD.

IT DOES NOT GRANT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS POWERS HE DOES NOT HAVE UNDER THE EXISTING

ORDINANCE OR FLORIDA STATUTES. >> IS THERE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER DEAN,

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> SURE.

>> MR. CONRAD OR MR. MCCORMACK, COULD YOU TELL ME, DID WE ALWAYS HAVE AN EMERGENCY ORDER WITH THE ENTIRE BOARD WHEN A HURRICANE HIT OR DURING OTHER EMERGENCIES IN THE PAST WITH THE VARIABLE -- TO SIGN THAT EMERGENCY ORDER DID IT TAKE THE ENTIRE BOARD BEFORE

COVID? IF. >> IF I MAY ANSWER THAT.

THROUGH THE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, WHAT THE MECHANISM IS THAT THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, IF A QUORUM CAN MEET, DECLARES A LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY.

THEY DO A PROCLAMATION, YOU DO A PROCLAMATION, DECLARING A LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY.

ONCE A LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IS DECLARED, AS IS UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND HAD BEEN THERE MANY YEARS, PROBABLY 20 YEARS PLUS, IS ONCE THE BOARD HAS DECLARED A LOCAL EMERGENCY AND IT'S ACTIVE, THEN THE ADMINISTRATOR CAN ISSUE EMERGENCY ORDERS.

AND IT IS THE EMERGENCY ORDERS TYPICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT MEANS AN EVACUATION OR A CURFEW OR THAT TYPE OF THING, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

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>> IN THE PAST THE ADMINISTRATORS HAS SIGNED EMERGENCY ORDERS WITHOUT THE

BOARD PRESENT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IS DECLARED BY THIS BOARD OR IF THE BOARD IS NOT AVAILABLE, BY THE CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR, THEN THE ADMINISTRATOR, UNDER THE ORDINANCE, IS GIVEN AUTHORITY TO ISSUE EMERGENCY ORDERS.

ONE REASON FOR THAT, SOMETIMES THOSE ARE VERY FAST-PACED. THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS AT 2:00 A.M. THAT MIGHT NECESSITATE THE NEED FOR AN EMERGENCY ORDER.

I THINK THAT'S WHY THE PAST BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS THROUGH TODAY RECOGNIZE THAT PROCEDURE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMACK. >> MR. CHAIR. I WANTED TO MENTION ON THE TWO READING ISSUES THAT A COUPLE COMMENTERS WERE -- MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO HAVE TWO READINGS TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE. NOT TRUE FOR COUNTIES. YOUR BOARD RULES AND POLICIES SAY, THOUGH, ORDINANCES SHALL BE PRESENTED FOR REVIEW BY THE BOARD TWICE PRIOR TO ENACTMENT UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED BY THE BOARD SO PRESENTED FOR REVIEW. THIS ORDINANCE HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED FOR THE BOARD'S REVIEW AND IS NOW HERE FOR ADOPTION, SHOULD THE BOARD

CHOOSE TO. THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> OKAY. >> MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020.

>> 4. >> ST. JOHNS COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY, ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER SMITH.

[11. Request to Release Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals Lien on 256 Village Green Avenue.]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONERR COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES SO THAT PASSES

5-0. THANK YOU, REBECCA. >>> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S GO TO ITEM -- LET'S TAKE UP 11 NEXT SINCE WE JUST DID 10. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR.

ITEM 11 RELATES TO RELEASE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT LEIN. I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THE REQUESTING PARTY BEFORE TODAY AND SHE REQUESTED THIS ITEM BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA AND CONTINUED TO A DATE INTENTATIVE SO SHE CAN RESOLVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY.

I CAN GO INTO DETAIL EITHER ON HER REQUEST TO CONTINUE IT OR THE INITIAL REQUEST BUT SHE HAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SHE NEEDS TO GATHER AS WELL AS COURT PROCEEDINGS THAT MAY RESOLVE THE

PROPERTY. >> LET ME ASK THE BOARD, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF BRAD ON ITEM 11? HEARING NONE, I THINK THAT COMPLETES THAT.

ANY -- WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 11?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 11 TO CONTINUE. I SEE NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THAW TAKES US BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION ON 11? >> I'LL MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NO. 11 TO A DATE UNCERTAIN.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

[12. First Reading of Amendments to Noise Ordinance.]

ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> AND I VOTE YES. SO THAT PASSES 5-0. THANKS, BRAD.

>>> NUMBER 12. FIRST READING AMENDMENTS TO OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.

>> THAT'S ME AS WELL. >> GO AHEAD. >> BRADLEYLY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR ARE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PREPARE AMENDMENTS TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS GRAND FEARING FOR LONG STANDING ACTIVITIES ON BENNINGER DRIVE THAT WERE NOT GRANDFATHERED UNDER THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE. FOR YOUR REFERENCE, THE NOISE ORDINANCE, JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE LANGUAGE, IT PROVIDES FOR A STANDARD OF MEASUREMENT OF NOISE OR SOUND PLAINLY AUDIBLE OR DISCERNIBLE. THERE'S A NONEXCLUSIVE NOISE OF ACTIVITIES IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE'S A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS

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FROM THE ORDINANCE FOR ACTIVITIES NOT SUBJECT TO NOISE ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS.

THERE IS ALSO PROVISION FOR VESTING AND GRANDFATHERING AND SPECIFICALLY TO OTHER PROPERTIES AUTOMATICALLY GRANDFATHERED UNDER THE NOISE ORDINANCE. THERE'S ALSO PROVISION FOR TEMPORARY NOISE PERMITS AS WELL AS ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AS I INDICATED, IS ON BENNINGER DRIVE NORTH OF THE AIRPORT ON U.S. 1. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND ITS CONTRACTORS OPERATED MARINE REPAIR ACTIVITIES FOR AN EXCESS OF 35 YEARS ELM EMPLOYING APPROXIMATELY 100 PEOPLE. THESE ACTIVITIES HISTORICALLY WERE SEPARATED FROM ADDRESSING LAND USES BY HUNDREDS OF FEET. THERE ARE NOW RESIDENTIAL LAND USES COMING IN WITHIN A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY ON BENNINGER DRIVE HAS ASKED FOR THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER GRANDFATHERING THOSE ACTIVITIES.

SO THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE HERE WOULD ADD THOSE PARCELLS AS THE COME -- A THIRD AUTOMATICALLY GRANDFATHERED ACTIVITY SUCH AS MARINE ELECTRONICS, SANDBLASTING AND MARINE UPHOLSTERY ACTIVITY.

IT ALSO DOES TECHNICAL CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THESE ARE AUTOMATIC GRANDFATHERING AND IF THERE ARE OTHER VIOLATORS WHO SEEK TO FIND VESTING OR PRIORITY OR GRANDFATHERING, THEY WOULD NEED AFFIRMATIVE PROOF THEREOF. I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDS FROM THE PUBLIC.

I HAVE MET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO, AS I SAID, IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS INCLUDING THE SPECIFICALLY LANGUAGE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER PHONE CALLS FROM ANY INTERESTED PARTIES OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THAT CLOSES MY COMMENTS OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT THIS IS A FIRST READING AND NO SPECIFIC ACTION IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME.

I WOULD COME BACK FOR A SECOND READING AT A LATER DATE BUT I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY COMMENTS,

QUESTIONS OR FURTHER DIRECTION. >> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME?

SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEM 12, THE NOISE ORDINANCE? >> PUBLIC COMMENT, ADDING ITEM

NO. 12. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, LEGACY COURT. I THINK THIS IS VERY REASONABLE. THE PROPERTY OWNER, 35 YEARS THEY'VE BEEN THERE. I DON'T THINK THEY NEED TO CHANGE FOR ANYBODY OR ANYTHING.

SO I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION TO SEW IT UP FOR THE BUSINESS. AND SO NOBODY CAN COME ALONG AND SAY OH, THEY MAKE TOO MUCH NOISE WHEN THEY'VE BEEN THERE THAT LONG.

ANYWAYS, ALSO, TOO, YOU KNOW, THAT -- THE GUY, THE ATTORNEY THAT JUST GAVE THIS, I JUST GOT TO MENTION, HE LOOKS TERRIBLE IN A BEARD. ANY WAYS, I'LL TALK TO YOU

LATER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, AGENDA ITEM NO. 12. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> B.J. CLATEY. WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE. 8 NEWCOMBE.

JUST BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN A NOISY NEIGHBORS IS NO REASON TO AMEND THIS NOISE ORDINANCE. BUT INTERESTING. SO THESE PEOPLE THAT OWN THIS PROPERTY KNOW WHAT'S COMING IN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING IN, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME HOMES IN THE AREA. I HOPE WHOEVER IS SELLING THOSE HOMES WILL BE FORTHRIGHT AND EXPLAIN NOT ONLY ABOUT THE AIRPORT BUT YOU ARE BY NOISY PEOPLE MAKING A LOT OF NOISE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SLEEP. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU FIND OUT, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, YOU KNOW THAT? KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH KNOWLEDGE OR POWER, BUT WE DO HAVE AT LEAST OUR THREE MINUTES TO TALK. SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY SHOW UP WITH AN ATTORNEY, I MEAN A LAWYER, AND THIS WILL BE A SECOND READING.

IT WILL PROBABLY GO RIGHT THROUGH. WHEN THE CALLER CALLS IN, AND HE

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DOESN'T LIVE IN THE AREA, I REALLY WONDER IF THAT IS VALID REASON TO LISTEN.

BUT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO EVERYBODY. WE HAVE TO GIVE EVERYBODY THEIR THREE MINUTES. SO I'M AGAINST THIS. THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE JUST SO HE CAN KEEP ON WITH HIS BUSINESS AND IT WILL AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY BE COMING IN THERE.

SO LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HANDLE IT.

AND WILL IT BE THE NOISE ORDINANCE WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO CALL? NOT THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE, A FEW LEFT THERE, KNOW WHAT THEY'RE UP AGAINST.

WILL CODE ENFORCEMENT BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING OR WILL THIS ORDINANCE YOU'RE CHANGING MEAN THEY SHOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER CALLING CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR AUDIBLE SOUND.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR -- PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA

[13. Consider appointments to the Construction Board of Adjustment and Appeals.]

ITEM 12? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 12.

>> NO ACTION REQUIRED. IT WILL COME BACK ON SECOND READING FOR FINAL ACTION WHERE WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. THAT CONCLUDES THAT. THANK YOU, BRAD.

>> THANK YOU. >> NOW, THAT TAKES US TO WHAT I HAVE AS THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, 13. MELISSA? HERE SHE IS.

CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AND APPEALS. >> YES, SIR.

THIS ITEM -- MELISSA LUNDQUIST, THIS ITEM IS TO CONSIDER APPOINTMENTS TO THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS. THERE ARE FOUR VACANCIES ON THE BOARD.

IT SAID ONE VACANCY BUT THERE ARE TWO FOR REGULAR MEMBER SEAT AND TWO ARE FOR ALTERNATE MEMBER SEATS. THERE ARE REQUIRED TO BE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF APPLICANTS WITH KNOWLEDGE IN OR EXPERIENCE IN THE TECHNICAL CODE SPILLS AND THOSE FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TWO OF EACH, ON THESE FOUR SEATS. THERE ARE MOTIONS BELOW THAT REFLECT THAT OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS BOARD.

WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. BERNIE, WHO IS SERVING MORE THAN HIS SECOND TERM, CONSECUTIVE TERM ON THAT BOARD. IF YOU OPT TO REAPPOINT HIM YOU NEED TO SUSPEND YOUR RULE 2.203C AND AFTER HIS APPOINTMENT, REINSTATE THAT RULE. THAT IS THE THE BASICS, I'M

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> MR. VICE CHAIR, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THERE IS ALSO AN ORDINANCE THAT PUTS THIS BOARD INTO PLACE THAT HAS SIMILAR LANGUAGE RESTRICTING CONSECUTIVE TERMS TO TWO. BUT THIS BOARD I THINK, UNDER EMERGENCY POWERS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE FOUR VACANCIES, FOUR APPLICANTS AND WE HAVE HISTORICALLY HAD AN ISSUE GETTING QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR THIS BOARD AS WELL AS OTHER APPOINTED BOARDS, THAT THIS BOARD, IF SO INCLINED, COULD ALSO WAIVE OF FORMALITIES OF THAT ORDINANCE AND YOU'LL FIND DRAFT LANGUAGE IN YOUR PACKET, IF YOU'RE INCLINED.

BUT MELISSA HAS THE PROCEDURE RIGHT IN TERMS OF SUSPENDING THE RULE AND THE OBJECTING AND

VOTING AND BRINGING IT BACK INTO PLACE. >> YES, I'M SORRY.

BOTH OF THOSE, THE ORDINANCE AND THE BOARD RULE AS MENTIONED IN THOSE MOTIONS IN YOUR PACKET.

JUST HISTORY, I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT THAT -- >> WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON

13. >> OPENING UP PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 13.

>> THANK YOU. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM NO. 13?

SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> YES, SIR.

>> MOTION TO SUSPEND BOARD RULE 2.203C, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2010-8 SECTIONS 113.2,

LIMITING TERMS OF SERVICE TO TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. >> SECOND.

>> ROLL CALL VOTE. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES. >> MR. WALLED.

>> AND I VOTE YES SO THAT PASSES 5-0. >> OKAY.

>> MOTION TO REAPPOINT KEITH BERNIE AS A REGULAR MEMBER OF THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF

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ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS FOR A TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE MARCH 18, 2024.

>> SAME. >> OKAY. ROLL CALL, COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> MOTION TO REINSTATE BOARD RULE 2.203C AND ORDINANCE -- SECTION 113.2.

REESTABLISH AN EXTENT OF CONSECUTIVE TERM LIMITS. >> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. >> OKAY. MOTION TO APPOINT DALE A.

JACKSON II AS A REGULAR MEMBER TO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS FOR A

TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE NOVEMBER 19, 2023. >> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDEN. >> YESR WALDRON.

>> I VOTE YES. THAT PASSES 5-0. >> MOTION TO APPOINT ROBERT FLOOD AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER OF THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND APPEALS FOR A

TERM SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE MARCH 18, 2024. >> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST? >> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES.

THAT PASSES 5-0. I THINK THERE'S ONE MORE. >> YES, SIR, MOTION TO APPOINT FRANK RINGHOFFER JR. HAS A MEMBER OF THE CONSTRUCTION BOARD OF JUDGMENTS AND APPEALS TO

EX -- >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER SMITHY.

[Public Comment]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. >> I VOTE YES, THAT PASSES 5-0. THANK YOU, PAUL, FOR GOING

THROUGH THOSE SO QUICKLY. >> I BELIEVE, UNLESS I'M WRONG, THAT COMPLETES THE REGULAR AGENDA AT THIS TIME SO AS WE AGREED LAST MONTH, WE NOW ARE TAKING UP PUBLIC COMMENT SO I

WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> ALL RIGHT, AT THIS POINT NOW WE WILL HEAR THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON MATTERS THAT WERE NOT ON THE GENERAL REGULAR AGENDA

AND ANY -- WE'LL OPEN IT UP NOW. >> GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ED SLAVEN, BOX 3084. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE LAMP.

I HOPE IT GETS MORE MONEY AND I HOPE WE CAN DO THE ST. AUGUSTINE NATIONAL HISTORICAL PARK AND SEASHORE ONE DAY SOON. PROTECTING 140,000 ACRES OF LAND IN TWO COUNTIES MUCH OF WHICH WAS ACQUIRED BY COMMISSIONER DEAN AND THE LATE JOHN HENDRICKSON JUNIOR.

WHAT IS THE STATUS OF LOBBYING REGISTRATION REFORM IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? I SEEM TO RECALL IN 2018 THEY PUT THE -- QUIET ON THE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE LEGISLATURE. WELL, I HAVEN'T HEARD A PEEP FROM THE LEGISLATURE. HAVE Y'ALL? MEANWHILE WE HAVE LOBBYIST CRITTERS AND THEY REPRESENT CLIENTS, THEY RAISE MONEY IN CAMPAIGNS, AND THEY HAVE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND SOME OF THEM INCLUDE, CONGRESS MARTINEAU JR. REPRESENTS THE CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE, OR SAYS HE DID, ST. JOHNS COUNTY, THE SHERIFF, JACKSONVILLE DEVELOPERS, KNOCK TEE PARK GROUP, AND WE PAY HIM, ST. JOHNS COUNTY BECAUSE WE'RE RICH AND FOOLISH, PAY HIM $50,000 A YEAR AND HE'S NOT REQUIRED TO REGISTER.

I RECALL COMMISSIONER MORE OS SAID IT WOULD BE BURDENSOME ON BUSINESSES TO REQUIRE THEM TO PAY A 25-DOLLAR LOBBY REGISTRATION FEE. WE HAD A FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER, YOU REMEMBER HER, AND SHE ACTUALLY, AS A LOBBYIST, WENT BEFORE Y'ALL AND PUT THE KIBOSH ON THE LOBBYING REGISTRATION. PRISCILLA LA BENNETT DIDN'T WANT TO BE BURDENED HAVING TO REPORT CONTINGENCY FEES. HOW MANY OF THE DEVELOPERS WHO APPEAR BEFORE YOU HAVE CONTINGENCY FEES? THEY'RE UNETHICAL IN TALLAHASSEE AND HERE. BY THE WAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS RUDE TODAY HOW WE HAVE TO WAIT

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FIVE HOURS FOR GENERAL NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT. Y'ALL NEED TO GET A SCHEDULER AND LEARN HOW TO SCHEDULE AND LET'S HAVE FIXED TIME CERTAIN LIKE Y'ALL GIVE CERTAIN DEVELOPERS INSTEAD OF MAKING PEOPLE HAVING TO HANG AROUND FIVE HOURS.

SOME PEOPLE WERE WAITING FIVE HOURS. Y'ALL DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A RAILROAD, YOU SURE DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A COUNTY COMMISSION. ONE OF THE ESSENCES OF SCHEDULING FOR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES FOR COURTS IS A TIME CERTAIN.

I KNOW IN THE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT, EACH ITEM HAS A SUGGESTED DURATION.

MAYBE YOU COULD GO BACK TO TIME CERTAIN FOR ITEMS TO WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T TREATED SO RUDELY.

THANK YOU. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGANTINE COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA.

COMMISSIONERS, THE FACT THAT YOU PUT THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END, I'M NOT PHASED BY IT.

BECAUSE IN FACT ACTUALLY, IT MAKES ME PAY ATTENTION MORE. I'VE PAID ATTENTION MORE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS, AND COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE TO FACE THE FACTS.

THE FACTS ARE WHAT DOES THE COUNTY COMMISSION WANT, NONAGENDA PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING SO PEOPLE CAN AIR COMPLAINTS AND CRITICIZE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT. WE KNOW THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND COMMISSIONER DEAN DEAN, BOTH ATTORNEYS, COMMITTED SERIOUS OFFENSES IN NOVEMBER 2019.

WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE BRINGING THAT UP AT THE BEGINNING AND KNOWING THEY DISCRIMINATED AGAINST WOMEN. WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE KNOWING THE COUTY COMMISSIONERS BROKE STATE LAW IN TERMINATION OF MICHAEL WANCZECH. WE CAN'T HAVE THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMISSION THAT DOESN'T WANT TO BE OPEN, DOESN'T WANT TO BE HONEST AND DOESN'T WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT. THAT'S A SHAME. THEY WANT TO HIDE, THEY WANT TO HIDE AND PUT A BLANKET OVER YOUR HEAD AND PRETEND THESE THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN.

INSTEAD OF CORRECTING THEM AND LEARNING FROM THEM AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? IN HINDSIGHT THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BETTER. HAVE YOU CORRECTED THE COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR THE HIRING OF THE FUTURE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS? BECAUSE YOU SHOULD.

BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH MR. CONRAD WASN'T QUALIFIED AT THE TIME, HE CERTAINLY IS QUALIFIED BEING A COUNTY ATTORNEY. I GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, COMMISSIONERRERS, THAT ONE SHOULD BE CORRECTED SO IN THE FUTURE, OTHER PEOPLE -- IT'S TIME THAT HENRY DEAN AND JEREMIAH BLOCKER, THEY ADMIT THEIR WRONGDOING. THEY WERE ATTORNEYS.

THEY LET SMITH, THEY LEFT WALDRON AND LET JAMES DOWN THE ROAD OF WRONG.

I'VE NEVER SEEN IT HAPPEN BEFORE. IT SEEMS TO ME IN ALL THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY OR CITIES, WHO IS TRAMPLING THE LAWS, THE ONES THAT ARE THE ATTORNEYS ON THE BOARD. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS COMMISSIONERS, A HAM SANDWICH CAN GET INDICTED.

I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE LUCKY LORISSA DOESN'T USE THIS -- IF A GRAND JURY WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE CONDUCT OF THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSION IN NOVEMBER 2019 AND ALL THE WAY TO THE HIRING, THEY WOULD FIND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WOMEN. THEY WOULD FIND THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND STATE LAW WAS BROKEN. FURTHERMORE, I WANT TO FINISH MY LAST FEW SECONDS WITH THE WORD DUTY. YOU HAVE A DUTY, YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW THE LAW. COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO TELL YOU, I SHOPE YOU HAVE PLANS OF A FORENSIC AUDIT. IF YOU DON'T, YOU'RE D DER LICK THE IN YOUR DUTIES STATE YOUR

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> >> THIS IS MARIA CHAVEZ, ST.

AUGUSTINE, FLORIDA. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHY THEY PUT US ON THE NONAGENDA AS IF WE DON'T MATTER TO THE COUNTY. I'M CALLING TO ASK THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO -- ALSO THE ELECTED COMMISSIONERS, WHAT ARE THEY DOING FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OLD A18. DO THEY HAVE A PLAN? COUNTY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THE ROADS. SO FAR THEY HAVE FAILED US MANY

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TIMES, MANY YEARS. THERE'S NO PLAN TO HELP US OR PUT A ROAD BACK.

THEY KEEP GOING -- IGNORING THE SAFETY, THE VALUE AND HEALTH ANDINANDWELL-BEING.

WE CAN'T GET BASIC SERVICES SUCH AS 911. THE AGREEMENT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY IMMEDIATELY AND ENFORCED.

A PLAN TO REPAIR THE ROADS NEEDS TO BE IN EFFECT. WE NEED IT GET SOMETHING DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, JUST LIKE HE REPAIR FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTH A18.

WHY WEREN'T RESIDENTS PUT ON A PRIORITY LIST IF THE ROAD WAS REPAIRED.

THEY NEED TO TREAT ALL RESIDENTS THE SAME, NOT ONLY THE ONES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR CAMPAIGNS, THEY CAN'T DO THAT. COUNTY KEEPS DRAGGING THE DATE, BLAMING FEMA, EPA, HIRING ENGINEERS FOR PLANNING STUDIES. STOP WASTING THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW WHAT WORKS.

YOU NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ROADS AND WE'RE NOT RENEGOTIATING THIS AGREEMENT THAT'S IN EFFECT. THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AND WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MANY FACTS. HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY TAXES WE HAVE WHEN WE CAN'T EVEN GET MAIL SERVICE, TRASH COLLECTION, EVEN APPLIANCES TO BE REPAIRED.

WE CAN'T. WE HAVE TO GET FOUR BY FOUR VEHICLES AND SOMETIMES NOT EVEN THOSE WORK. HOW CAN YOU TELL ME MY PROPERTY TAXES INCREASE 11, 10% A YEAR FOR WHAT? WHY PAY ALL IN A MONEY IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR US.

WHAT WILL IT TAKE THE COUNTY TO HONOR THEIR AGREEMENT? ANOTHER DEATH FROM VEHICLES NOT ARRIVING ON TIME, BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE ROAD, A POLICE OFFICER NOT ARRIVING ON TIME TO SAVE A LIFE. ARE THEY READY TO PAY THAT PRICE? THEY NEED TO TAKE US INTO CONSIDERATION. WE'RE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT COUNTY AND DESERVE THE SAME AS THE PEOPLE ON NORTH A18. THEY HAVE FAILED US AND THEY NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT AND TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THIS ROAD. WE NEED SOME SORT OF RESPONSE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS CANNOT BE CONTINUED TO BE DRAGGED ANOTHER THREE MONTHS AND KEEP PUSHING OUR AGENDA FURTHER AND FURTHER AND THEY DON'T RESPOND TO US.

THEY JUST POSTPONE IT OR THEY HAVE ALL KINDS OF EXCUSES. THEY NEED TO WORK FOR EVERYONE,

NOT JUST FOR THE ONES THAT -- >> THANK YOU, MISS CHAVEZ. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THE LADY WHO JUST SPOKE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM ADMINISTRATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ITEM ON FEBRUARY 2ND AGENDA TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON SUMMER HAVEN AND WHAT OPTIONS MAY BE AVAILABLE TO US.

IN ANSWER TO THAT LADY'S QUESTION, I WANTED TO GET THAT IN NOW BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS

LED TO BELIEVE. >> ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> PLEASE COME FORWARD. NOW IS THE TIME. >> DR. GILLKIN, IF YOU'RE GOING

TO PUT PICTURES UP. >> NO. >> OKAY.

>> SORRY. MY NAME IS DR. SHEILA GILLAKIN. HI.

MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT SUMMER HAVEN, THE QUESTION HERE IS THE LACK OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND LACK OF ROADWAY TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES. OLD A1A IS CRITICAL FOR SURVIVAL, IT'S NOT JUST AN OPTION. IT'S ALSO CRITICAL FOR GUARANTEED EGRESS, INGRESS, DELIVERY OF SERVICES AND ABILITY TO EVACUATE.

WE BUILT THERE IN 1935 WITH PERMITTING WITH THE INTENTION OF RETIRING THERE.

OVER TIME WITH NO BEACH MAINTENANCE, NO REBUILD, NO ROAD MAINTENANCE, DELIVERY OF SERVICES ELIMINATED, WE'RE DEVASTATED TO KNOW WE PAY EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH MUNICIPAL TAXES AND A SPECIAL FUND YEARLY IN EXCHANGE FOR LITERALLY NOTHING.

THIS IS TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. DEMISE OF THE ROAD IS DIRECT IMPACT OF STORMS, BUT THE DEGREE OF IMPACT COULD BE LET'S CATASTROPHIC HAD IT BEEN PROPERLY MAINTAINED OVER THE LAST YEARS. IF A FACILITY IS DESIGNATED AT CRITICAL, THE DESIGNATION WILL SUPERSEDE 44CFR, 9, WHICH DENIED US THE ABILITY TO RESTORE THE ROAD A CRITICAL FACILITY IS DEFINED AS A FACILITY WHICH PROVIDES SERVICES AND FUNCTIONS ESSENTIAL TO A COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY DURING AND AFTER AN EMERGENCY OR DISASTER.

UTILITIES LIKE POWER LINES, WATER LINES AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, ARE CRITICAL

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FACILITIES. TO FURTHER CLARIFY, T CRITICAL F THE SYSTEMS, RESCUE OPERATIONS OR COMMON EMERGENCY RESPONSE ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH FLOODING.

THEIR EFFECTIVENESS AND SUCCESS DEPENDS ON READILY AVAILABLE ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

AT THE EXPENSE OF BEING REDUNDANT, THE NECESSITY OF ADEQUATE ACCESS CANNOT BE DENIED, YET IT WAS. HAD YOU RECOGNIZED ZONE A1A AS CRITICAL FACILITY, EGRESS AND INGRESS WOULD BE INTACT AS WELL AS DELIVERY OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

ARE YOU DELIBERATELY WITHHOLDING SERVICES BY DISREGARDING THE CRIT CALTY OF THE FACILITY TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES KNOWN AS OLD A1A. IN THE LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER, I ASKED YOU TO PLEASE DEFINE YOUR ROAD AS PASSABLE. YOU KEEP SAYING IT'S PASSABLE.

BUT THEN COUNTY TRUCKS AND TOW TRUCKS ARE STILL GETTING STUCK. IT'S MY HOPE THAT YOU'LL GIVE

ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT? PLEASE.

>>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BETH DARBY AND MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE ON OLDR 9A1A. I HAVE MADE NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU VIA EMAIL AND I DID THAT LAST TIME. YOU CANNOT BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CONSTITUENTS IF YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE INTERESTS OF THE CON CONSTITUENTS. IT WAS THE OPENING STATEMENT OF MY PUBLIC COMMENTS LAST TIME ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2020. CONSIDERING THAT I HAVE SUCH A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, YOU MIGHT WONDER WHY I WOULD CHOOSE TO USE MY COVETED TIME IN SUCH A MANNER. IT WILL BECOME CLEAR WHEN ONE CONSIDERS AN EMAIL I SENT TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS DATED JANUARY 6, 2021, REQUESTING THE GRADING AND COMPACTING OF A1A.

IT WAS ON THE INABILITY OF RIGHT OF WAY TO CONSISTENTLY PERFORM AS ING INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR PC AND RESIDENTS ALIKE. IT NOTED IN THE EMAIL FOUR BY FOUR VEHICLES AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL TOW TRUCKS NO LONGER ABLE TO NAVIGATE THE ROAD. I GAVE YOU A SPECIFIC INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THAT I WAS ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN. I FOUND THIS COLLECTIVE LACK OF ACKNOWLEDGMENT MUCH LESS RESPONSE DISCONCERTING AT BEST. THIS WAS BASED ON OUR SEEMING AGREEMENT LAST TIME, DECEMBER 15TH TO WORK TOGETHER TO RESOLUTION IN A SPIRIT OF RENEWED COOPERATION. PLEASE NOTE, MEETING MINUTES 4283FL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT GRANT PROJECT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY DATED MARCH 27, 2018, PAGE 1, NUMBER 2, F.

WHICH STATES, THE MSTU FUNDS ARE USED FOR ACCESS MAINTENANCE, PRIMARILY GRADING.

IN TURN THE COUNTY REPORTED TO A MYRIAD OF CONSERVATION GROUPS AND GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES.

SOME EXAMPLES ARE THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

THE FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION SERVICE AND FEMA THAT THEY REGULARLY MAINTAIN THE DRIVING SURFACE OF OLD A1A VIA BENEFIT OF, QUOTE, GRATING AND COMPACTING, END QUOTE.

OLD A1A HAS NOT BEEN GRATED OR COMPACTED IN 2019, 2020, AND 2021 TO DATE DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS TO DO SO. LET IT BE KNOWN THERE IS A SINGLE COMMON DE NOMINATOR IN PLAY ACROSS 15 PLUS YEARS OF STEADY DISCUSSION AND NEGOTIATION.

AS LONG AS ITS COMMONALITY REMAINS INTACT, OBSTRUCTION ANY OF THEM WILL SUPERSEDE COOPERATION. THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> B.J. CLATEY, WEST CITY OF ST.

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AUGUSTINE. 8 NEW.COM. IT'S ONLY 2:00.

>> GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC -- IT'S NOT PUT THERE. LET'S PUT DOWN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON YOUR AGENDA. PROCLAMATIONS SHOULD AT THE END OF THE MEETING.

THEY TAKE TOO MUCH TIME LIKE WE DO. RESCIND MASK MANDATE IN COUNTY BUILDINGS, 3. GENERAL COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT, SHOULD NOT BE AT END OF BCC MEETINGS. DEVELOPERS, APPLICANTS AND LAWYERS, SPEND HOURS WITH FIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND COUNTY STAFF. OUR RESIDENTS ARE RELUCTANTLY GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THE DISMISSIVE TREATMENT OF RESIDENTS IS DIS PICK ALAN.

FOUR COMMISSIONERS FAILED VOTERS BY ALLOWING ONE PERSON TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST RESIDENTS WHEN HE ARROGANTLY MOVED GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE END OF THE AGENDA AND NO ONE OBJECTED.

>> POLITICIANS WHO DO NOT SHOW UP SHOULD RESIGN OR AT LEAST TELL US ON THE PHONE WHY THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT. THIS IS AN ATTACK ON FREE SPEECH.

I HAVE SAID A LOT AT THESE MEETINGS BUT THIS IS -- YOU'VE TAKEN THE CAKE, REALLY, IN DOING WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. IT IS A DISGRACE. AND TWO LADIES ARE HERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS HERE FOR. BUT WE HAD A COUPLE CALL IN.

SO THIS REALLY TELLS US, MAYBE I'M WRONG, THAT YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE RESIDENTS, UNLESS THEY KEEP COMING BACK AND KEEP COMING BACK AND KEEP COMING BACK.

A LOT OF THEM ARE AFRAID TO GET UP HERE AND TALK. WELL, I'M NOT.

YOU'RE HUMAN BEINGS AND I'M A HUMAN BEING. HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE, R-E-S-P-E-C-T HAS BEEN LOST. I WILL LEAVE WITH THIS QUOTE, PROVERBS 16-18.

HOPE YOU WRITE IT DOWN. PRIDE GOES BEFORE A FALL. I THING THIS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT THESE MEETINGS. IN ALLOWING US TO SPEAK AT THE END IS NOT WHY WE ELECTED YOU.

EVEN THOUGH I'M IN THE CITY, WE PAY DOUBLE TAXES. SO ... HOPE YOU THINK THAT OVER.

>> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. SEEING NONE, MR. VICE CHAIR.

>> I'M SORRY MR. VICE CHAIR, DR. GILLAKIN INFORMED ME ANOTHER OLD A1A PERSON WAS TRYING TO CALL IN. I SORT OF -- THE CALL GOT HUNG UP OR SOMEHOW GLITCHED.

THAT MAY POP UP SO IF THAT GETS THROUGH, THE BOARD MAY WANT TO PROVIDE --

>> CAN YOU TELL ME THE CORRECT NUMBER? >> IT SHOULD BE 209-1265.

THAT CORRECT? PATRICK, NOW THAT YOU ARE SOCIALLY DISTANCED FROM ENOUGH PEOPLE AND ON YOUR OWN, COULD YOU TELL ME PACK EXACTLY, WITHOUT YOUR MASK, WHAT THAT

MEANT? >> I'M SORRY, MR. VICE CHAIR. A PUBLIC COMMENT CALLER WAS TRYING TO CALL IN BUT WAS UNABLE TO GET THROUGH ON THE LINE. MAY HAVE HAD THE WRONG PHONE NUMBER ABOUT DR. GILLAKIN GOT A TEXT FROM THAT PERSON, SO THAT PERSON IS TRYING TO CALL IN.

>> LET'S GIVE THIS A FEW MINUTES AND THEN WHAT I MAY DO, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE LINE YET, WHAT WE COULD DO IS GO TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AND SORT OF INTERRUPT THE COMMENTS IF WE HAVE A CALL IN. IS THAT SATISFACTORY OR WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT?

COMMISSIONER SMITH, WOULD YOU RATHER WAIT A MINUTE? >> IS THERE A CALLER WAITING?

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>> YES, SIR, DR.

>> YES, SIR, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROBLEM OUT IN SUMMER HAVEN MORE THAN A DECADE NOW. AND I'M TRYING TO SEE THE COUNTY'S ENDGAME HERE AND I'M AT A LOSS TO DO SO. WE'RE NOW TO THE POINT WE'RE LOSING HOUSES INTO THE OCEAN, AND THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE ALL DROP INTO THE OCEAN. THERE HAS BEEN SUCH A LACK OF ACTIVITY OUT THERE FROM THE COUNTY'S POINT OF VIEW THAT I JUST THINK YOU'RE JUST FORGETTING ABOUT US AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU SHOULD POBABLY TELL US THAT AND LET US GO ON WITH OUR LIVES RATHER THAN STREAM US ALONG AND MAKE US FEEL THAT YOU ARE SOME DAY GOING TO

BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH US. I YIELD THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> SEEING NONE, MR. VICE

CHAIRMAN, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOW, I THINK WE CAN GO TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. SO I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER

SMITH. >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN. SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

WINTER HARVESTS CONTINUES. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME QUALITY ISSUES BUT GROWERS ARE MOVING CLEAN PRODUCT WITH A LITTLE EXTRA EFFORT. I EXTEND MY GRATITUDE TO DR. SCOTT ENGLE, UNIVERSITY OF -- INSTITUTE AND AGRICULTURE SERVICES.

HE IS AGGRESSIVELY RESPONDING TO PRODUCER PLEAS TO ADDRESS THE BMP FERTILIZER RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WANT TO SAW THANK YOU. WE HAVE GONE FROM WET TO DRY AND MOST GROWERS ARE IRRIGATING AND CITRUS HARVEST HAS STARTED AND THE QUALITY LOOKS PHENOMENAL. NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO -- I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CORRESPONDENCES REGARDING MY INTENTIONS TO RUN OR NOT TO RUN FOR REELECTION.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING SOME ARE AWAITING ME TO ANNOUNCE MY DECISION.

WHEN I RAN OVER SIX YEARS AGO I NEVER INTENDED TO RUN MORE THAN TWO TERMS. THAT IS STILL MY DESIRE. HENCE LET ME BE CLEAR, I WILL NOT BE RUNNING FOR REELECTION IN 2022 DISTRICT 2, ST. JOHNS COUNTY COMMISSIONER SEATS. I'M CONSIDERING TWO SEATS FOR THE 2024 ELECTION CYCLE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANNOUNCING ANY DECISION TO RUN FOR ONE OF THOSE

SEATS IN THE FUTURE. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER

BLOCKER? >> THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK MR. VICE CHAIR FOR YOU TAKING OVER TODAY. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW AND I APPRECIATE THE PRAYERS AND SUPPORT, MY FAMILY HAS BEEN FIGHTING THE CORONAVIRUS.

MY WIFE IS DOING MUCH BETTER AND SO ARE MY KIDS. I APPRECIATE THAT.

CAN'T WAIT TO BE BACK IN PERSON AS WE GO THROUGH THE 14-DAY QUARANTINE.

THAT'S A REMINDER, MANY CITIZEN IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE SUFFERING AND FIGHTING WITH THIS.

TWO NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED AND MY FAMILY HAD A ROUGHLY COUPLE OF DAYS.

I APPRECIATE THAT. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST, HIS FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING. I APPRECIATE THIS BOARD BEING CLEANINGAL AND I APPRECIATE WE'RE ABLE TO DO BUSINESS HERE. SUPPORT WHEN MOBILIZED WITH THE MILITARY.

NO EVERYONE AAPPRECIATES THAT BUT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS FOR BEING SUPPORTIVE AND SO MANY CITIZENS. QUICKLY, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THIS, I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE CELEBRATIONS FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. BUT AS WE GO THROUGH TRYING TIMES IT'S IMPORTANT TO REFLECT ON THE GREAT WORK AND HEALING DR. KING BROUGHT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AS WE GO FORWARD, THE REST OF THIS YEAR, OUR COUNTRY IS DIVIDED AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A

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LOT OF PRAYER AND SUPPORT FOR US TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY STAYS FOCUSED ON GETTING THROUGH THE CORONAVIRUS AND STAYING UNITED AS A COMMUNITY. THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO

SEEING YOU NEXT WEEK. >> THANK YOU, PAUL? >> FIRST OF ALL I DON'T KNOW IF -- I'M SURE YOU AWARE, WE OPENED BACK UP AT 30% CAPACITY WITH JJ GRAY, A SOLDOUT SHOW.

THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THIS RESTORED SOMEWHAT OF NORMALCY FOR THEM.

ESPECIALLY THROUGH THE MUSIC. A SHOUT OUT AMP. THEY WORKED TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE EVENT AS THEY ALWAYS DO. ALSO, YESTERDAY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND JOY AND I ATTENDED A CULVER'S GRAND OPENING ON U.S. 1 SOUTH, A RESTAURANT THERE.

I WANT TO WELCOME THEM TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY WERE VERY BUSY WHEN I DROVE

BY YESTERDAY. >> AIN'T NOTHING LIKE A BUTTER BURGER.

>> THAT'S IT FOR ME. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR.

I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS, JUST SOME THINGS I'VE NOTICED OVER THE LAST YEAR.

I WANT TO MENTION -- I FEEL THAT WHETHER IT'S THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, WHETHER IT'S VACCINE DISTRIBUTION, OR THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON, D.C., I FIND WE ARE A COMMUNITY CONSUMED BY WORRY. SO I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING I LIVE BY, SOMETHING I LEARNED AS A YOUNG MAN. YOU CAN ONLY CONTROL TWO THINGS. YOUR ACTION AND YOUR ATTITUDE.

I BELIEVE STRONGLY CONTROLLING THOSE THINGS YOU CAN CONTROL AND LEAVING THE REST TO PRAYER.

A VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT STUCK WITH ME ALL YEAR AND RINGS IN MY EARS IS MATTHEW 6-27, CAN ANY ONE OF YOU BY WORRYING ADD A SINGLE HOUR TO YOUR LIFE? THAT'S SOMETHING JESUS TOLD PEOPLE DURING THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT. ANOTHER PASTOR I FOLLOW AND READ SAYS THE BIBLE ADDRESSES FEAR AND INSTRUCTS US NOT TO FEAR 365 TIMES.

YOU CAN HAVE NO FAITH OR MY FAITH, WHICH IS THE CHRISTIAN FAITH, AND UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S 365 DAYS IN A YEAR. IF THE BIBLE IS TELLING US 365 TIMES NOT TO WORRY, THAT'S MORE THAN COINCIDENCE. I THINK WE ALL NEED TO COUNT OUR BLESSINGS AND CONTROL THE THINGS WE CAN AND REALIZE WE HAVE A LOT FOR THANKFUL FOR IN THIS WORLD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. PAUL MENTIONED IT BUT YESTERDAY WE DID HONOR THE REVEREND MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.. THE TWO TRAGEDIES IN MY LIFE THAT SEARED IT DEEP IN MY HEART WERE THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY AND THE ASSASSINATION OF MARTIN LUTHER KING. OF ALL OF THE HUNDREDS OF QUOTES USED THAT HE SAID, I THINK MY FAVORITE -- AND I HAVE USED IT OFTEN -- IS THAT -- THIS IS QUOTING DR. KING. HE SAID, I CHOOSE TO LOVE BECAUSE HATE IS TOO BIG A BURDEN TO CARRY. AND I JUST WISH WE COULD ALL ADOPT THAT PHILOSOPHY AND THAT

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SPIRIT BECAUSE IT'S SO TRUE AND HE WAS SUCH A GREAT LEADER THAT TRIED HIS BEST TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER. WITH THAT SAID, I WISH EVERYONE A GOOD WEEK.

WE'LL EITHER COME BACK OR NOT NEXT TUESDAY. I GUESS WE WILL AND HAVE OUR EMERGENCY MEETING. WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR

REPORT. >> THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR. IF YOU BEAR WITH ME, I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO BRING BEFORE THE BOARD. FIRST OF ALL, FOR CLARIFICATION FROM PREVIOUS OCA'S FROM ITEM 1, IF WE COULD HAVE A MOTION ON THE ART AND PUBLIC SPACES EVENT THAT THE BOARD APPROVED. IT'S A CLARIFICATION OF THE MOTION WHERE THE FUNDS WOULD COME FROM. A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSFER OF $10,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND FOR ART AND PUBLIC SPACES, SEEKING CLARITY SO WE KNOW WHERE TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING FROM.

I'LL KICK THAT BACK FIRST THEN A FEW OTHERS. >> IS A THERE A MOTION?

LET'S GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY. IS THERE A MOTION? >> I THOUGHT WE AGREED TO

$5,000. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS $5,000. PRETTY SURE IT WAS DOUBLE

$5,000. >> IT WAS $5,000, THE REQUEST WAS FOR $5,000 FOR THE 200 AND

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$5,000 PER AN UHM HENCEFORTH. THAT WAS THE REQUEST, IF I RECOLLECT.

>> THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING TOO. FIVE AND FIVE.

THAT'S WHAT -- THAT WAS MY INTENT WHEN I VOTED, JUST FYI. >> SO COMMISSIONER WALDRON,

YOU'RE SAYING $5,000. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE TIME 5,000 FOR THIS YEAR.

>> SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED CLARITY FROM THE BOARD AS WELL. I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH, IF

I'M NOT MISTAKE, YOU'RE SAYING 5,000 AND -- >> I PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD IT.

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WAS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION. HE MIGHT CLARIFY WHAT HE

INTENDED. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS A 5,000 THEN AN ADDITIONAL 5,000 PER ANNUM.

>> SO 10 THIS YEAR? >> YES, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> OKAY. >> THAT'S THE MOTION I WAS MAKING AN INITIAL 5,000 THEN

GOING FORWARD, 5,000 ANNUALLY. >> IF I MAY, MR. VICE CHAIR. THROUGH THE CHAIR.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR SO I'M UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE TALKING 10,000 THIS YEAR AND THEN BASED ONBOARD ACTION, 5,000 MOVING INTO APPROPRIATING IT FROM FISCAL YEAR 22 BUDGET AS WELL.

>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> I PROBABLY WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE MY VOTE BUT WE'VE ALREADY VOTED ON IT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD -- CAN IT COME OUT OF TOURIST DEVELOPMENT

DOLLARS? >> MR. VICE CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT?

>> SURE. >> THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HAVE THESE THINGS LAID OUT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION RATIONALLY FROM THE FLOOR. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN MOTION, THERE'S CONFUSION OVER THE MATTER. AND THAT'S WHY I STERNLY OPPOSED MAKING THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS WHEN IT SAYS PRESENTATION ONLY AND THERE'S MISUNDERSTANDING FROM THE BOARD PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERSPECTIVE IS FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF THERE'S CONFUSION UP HERE. THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS I VOTED AGAINST IT TODAY IS THAT IT WAS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK THROUGH.

THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR. >> BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, ONE THING WE COULD DO, THAT'S SORT OF MY THOUGHT THAT I WOULD SUPPORT, IS THAT I THINK THAT RATHER THAN SPEND ADDITIONAL TIME THIS AFTERNOON ON THIS ITEM, I WOULD RATHER BRING THE ITEM BACK EVEN IF IT'S ON NEXT TUESDAY'S AGENDA. THE WAY I WOULD DO THAT IS WITH A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

AND MY INTENT WOULD BE TO VOTE NO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING TO BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK WITH A FULL STAFF PRESENTATION AND A BREAKDOWN SPECIFICALLY OF WHAT THE MONEY

IS GOING TO BE USED FOR WHEN AND OUT OF WHAT REVENUE SOURCE. >> IF THAT'S A MOTION TO

RECONSIDER, I WILL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY MORE COMMENT? OKAY. I'LL CALL --

>> I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY, IF IT'S A DISSENTING VOTE, I CAN'T SECOND IT.

>> PAUL -- I MADE THE MOTION, PAUL SECONDED IT. OKAY, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL

VOTE. >> DO YOU WANT TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? >> LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THE PHONE.

>> THERE IS NOT ANYBODY ON THE PHONE. >> OKAY.

SEEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> HOLD ON, WE DO HAVE -- PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME STATE YOUR

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE?

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IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> YES.

>> CAN I -- IS THERE SOMEONE ON THE LINE? IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE?

>> YES, I'M ON THE LINE. >> THANK YOU, MR. REYNOLDS. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> OKAY. TOM REYNOLDS, 15 BRIGANTINE COURT, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A VERY, VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH, IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA ITEM. IT SAID IS THERE FUNDING REQUESTED? NO. IT WAS POORLY PRESENTED.

WHOEVER PUT IT TOGETHER NEEDS TO CORRECT IT. THERE'S NO REASON TO CRY OVER SPILLED MILK NOW BUT IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE RIGHT OUT FRONT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM ASK FOR MORE MONEY AND I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER WALDRON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WAS, CAN IT COME OUT OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS? I SURE HOPE IT CAN COME OUT OF THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL PART OF IT. SO ANYWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, I WULD LOVE TO SEE YOU PUMP IT UP. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUT 5 OR $10,000 IS A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I REALLY BELIEVE THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY CULTURAL NEEDS MORE FUNDING AND REALLY NEEDS TO STEP UP THEIR GAME AS WELL AND GO -- AND EXPAND.

WE NEED MORE NONLAYING OUT ART IN THE GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, WE NEED STAGES, PLAYS, WE NEED OPERA, WE NEED A LOT OF THINGS HERE. THIS IS THE KIND OF COUNTY THAT IT WOULD GO OVER WELL. IT'S NOT JUST A PONTE VEDRA THING, IT'S ALL OVER THE COUNTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS AND A PLAY HOUSE.

PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BYE. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MOTION AND SECOND TO RECONSIDER AGENDA ITEM 1 THIS MORNING.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> NOW WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL

VOTE. COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> ALL RIGHT, I VOTE YES SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK TO US AT THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING WHERE WE HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION ON THE SOURCE OF THE REVENUE, THE AMOUNT SPENT FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR, AND WHAT FUND, AGAIN, IS BEING USED. IS THAT CLEAR, MR. SMITH?

>> I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE WITH THAT. >> THAT'S MY MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

SECOND. DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I THINK THAT'S SORT OF INCORPORATED INTO YOUR EARLIER DISCUSSION SO I THINK YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL HAVE A ROLL CALL. COMMISSIONER SMITH?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES. SO WE WILL SEE THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA WITH AN APPROPRIATE STAFF PRESENTATION. OKAY.

WELL, PAUL, THAT WAS A INTERESTING QUESTION YOU RAISED. BACK TO YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> NO, NOT RIGHT NOW. >> YES, SIR.

MR. VICE CHAIR, COMMISSION, FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M CLEAR ON THE MOTION.

WE WILL HAVE MISS STONE, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT COMING FROM YOUR STAFF, MISS STONE COME WITH A PRESENTATION AND STAFF WILL BE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE FUNDING AND WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. SHE'S THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR IT. IT WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA THROUGH THE CHAIR SO STAFF WILL BE HERE. WE'LL HAVE MR. DUNN OR SOMEONE FROM OMB TO ANSWER THE BOARD'S QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SEE MISS STONE, IT'S COMING FROM THE CULTURAL COUNCIL, NOT FROM

THE ADMINISTRATION OR STAFF. >> NEXT, ONE THING WILL LEAD ME TO TWO OTHERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT MR.GY MAKAH. IN 2020 HE WAS NAMED EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR UPON MISS STOUGHTON'SR RETIREMENT. EAVES BEEN SERVING IN THIS ROLE

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FOR SIX MONTHS. HE COMES TODAY, 24 YEARS WITH EXPERIENCE IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE COAST GUARD AND IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, EXPERIENCE FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY. HE HAS HIS BACHELORS AND MASTERS AND IS WORKING ON HIS PH.D., WHICH HE'LL COMPLETE THIS SUMMER. I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND MY RECOMMENDATION THAT MR. JOE MR. GIAMMANCO BE THE EMERGENCY

MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. >> I MAKE A MOTION THE COUNTY DIRECT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR

TO MAKE THAT HIRE. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> IS THERE A PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.

>> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. >> YES. >> AND I VOTE YES.

CONGRATULATIONS, JOE. YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A -- QUITE THE STORM IN -- IN YOUR

POSITION BUT GOOD LUCK. >>> THAT LEADS ME TO VACCINE TESTING AND DISTRIBUTION.

SO A UPDATE. I GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OR MR. GIAMMANCO.

AN UPDATE FOR THE COMMUNITY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TESTING.

LAST WEEK'S SPECIAL EMERGENCY MEETING THE BOARD ASKED US TO IDENTIFY A PLAN TO BRING TO THE BOARD FOR TESTING RELATED TO COVID-19. AT THIS POINT, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH FIBER HEALTH AND I BELIEVE I MENTIONED LAST WEEK WITH VACCINE DISTRIBUTION ONGOING, THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE STAFF AND PERSONNEL TO SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL LARGE SCALE TESTING SITE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH FLAGLER HEALTH AND THEY WERE PARTNERED WITH US IN THE BEGINNING PHASES IN COVID-19 TESTING FROM MARCH ALL THE WAY TO DECEMBER, JULY TO DECEMBER. SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS FLAGLER HEALTH WOULD CONTRACT WITH -- TO HOLD A TESTING SITE. THE PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE THAT THIS BOARD ON THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERRERS WOULD BE FUNDING THE UNINSURED TESTS SO ANYONE WHO COMES TO THE SITE THAT'S UNINSURED WOULD BE FUNDED AND THEN IT WOULD BE HELD AT THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY AGRICULTURAL CENTER SIX DAYS A WEEK. FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THE TEST PER INSURED PERSON IS $135. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FROM A DOLLARS AND CENTS STANDPOINT? IIF FLAGLER HEALTH TESTED 50 UNINSURED PER DAY SIX DAYS A WEEK THAT'S $162,000 PER MONTH THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO FUND IN ADDITION TO EXTRA LAW ENFORCEMENT OR TRAFFIC SUPPORT THAT THERE MAY BE, WHICH WE EXPECT TO BE DOMINION MUSS BUT WE EXPECT A ADDITIONAL COST.

TO ESTIMATE, I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE PAYING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 200 AND $250,000 PER MONTH TO SET UP ADDITIONAL TESTING. FLAGLER HEALTH WOULD TEST BEYOND THE UNINSURED. ST. JOHNS COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THOSE ININSURED. I WILL LEAVE THAT FIRST THEN GO TO VACCINE DISTRIBUTION.

>> QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> SURE.

>> IS THAT NOT A SERVICE THAT THE FLORIDA -- THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WOULD NORMALLY ACCOMPLISH? AND ARE THEY ABLE TO DO THAT OR INCAPABLE OF DOING THAT?

>> THEY ONLY DO, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS ON CONTACT TRACING.

THEY ARE CONTINUING TO TEST ON A CONTACT TRACING STANDPOINT BUT NOT THE ABILITY TO DO LARGE

SCALE TESTING SITES. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

THESE MONEYS WOULD BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT FUNDING?

THAT'S WHERE THIS COULD COME FROM? >> YES, SIR, IT'S PART OF THE COVID RESPONSE FUNDING SO ALL THE SAME BUCKET. YES, SIR, THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD

COME FROM. >> VACCINES? >> JUST -- WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S CONSENSUS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THERE'S FINANCING.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROGRAM. THE TESTING PROGRAM.

PROGRAM THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. >> SECOND.

>> ALL RIGHT. MOTION, SECOND. PUBLIC COMMENT?

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>> B.J. CLATEY. I THINK IN DOING THIS, CAN YOU STATE THE ADDRESS OF THE ST.

JOHNS AGRICULTURAL CENTER SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE TO GO? ALSO THE UNINSURED, WILL THEY HAVE TO HAVE SYMPTOMS OR CAN ANYBODY SHOW UP FOR TESTING? I'M GLAD IT'S GOING UNDER THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT. AND ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, CAN ANYBODY COME AND DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT, CALL SOMEBODY? CAN YOU SHOW UP AND STAND IN LINE FOREVER OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED? THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BEFORE YOU PASS THIS SO PEOPLE NO ONE, TWO, THREE.

ALSO, WILL IT BE OPEN TO OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO DO NOT LIVE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY? THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE VERY BEGINNING WITH THE 2800 PEOPLE AND I'M STILL WAITING FOH COUNTY CAME HERE AND USED OUR VACCINES THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY COULD NOT USE. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD THOSE THREE QUESTIONS AND I WOULD LIKE

AN ANSWER. >> LET ME GIVE THE ADDRESS WHILE WE'RE STILL ON THE AIR.

IT'S 23125 AG CENTER DRIVE OFF I-9 A AND 16. BUT THAT'S THE ADDRESS.

3125 AG CENTER DRIVE. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? >> I THINK WE'RE DONE.

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BLOCKER.