Dec 15, 2020 Board of County Commissioners

[Call to Order by Chair]

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>> IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED PROCEDURES TO CONDUCT MEETINGS USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION. THROUGH EMERGENCY ORDER NUMBER 2020-10, SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS, INCLUDING EMAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MEETING VIA GOVERNMENT TV AND BY STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE ALSO PROVIDES THE TELEPHONE NUMBER TO BE USED TO CALL IN TO THE MEETING.

EVEN IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, PARTICIPATION OR ADVISE THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING, DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT, THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED. IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL, PLEASE CALL BACK. IN ADDITION, PLEASE SELF-TIME THE THREE MINUTES TIME LIMIT. WE'LL HAVE A TIMER HERE AS WELL.

FINALLY, PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHILE WAITING TO COMMENT AND MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER SO WE DON'T HAVE FEEDBACK WHILE YOU'RE SPEAKING.

THERE MAY BE A 30-SECOND DELAY. IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE'LL PAUSE, RECESS BRIEFLY UNTIL THEY RESOLVE AND RESUME THE MEETING. MEETING MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDAS AND MINUTES.

CLICK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TO ACCESS THE SUPPORTING MATERIALS.

OKAY, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL.

>> CHAIR COMMISIONER JEREMIAH BLOCKER.

>> PRESENT. >> VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONER HENRY

DEAN. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> PRESENT. >> PLEASE COME FORWARD AND LEAD

US IN THE INVOCATION. >> GOOD MORNING, COMMISIONERS.

LET'S COME TOGETHER IN PRAYER AND CONSCIOUSNESS, TO KNOW SOMETHING GOOD FOR OURSELVES, SOMETHING TRUE FOR OURSELVES, EACH OTHER, OUR COMMUNITY, NATION, AND THE WORLD, THAT RIGHT HERE, EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE, WITH ALL THE POWER, LOVE, AND INTELLIGENCE OF GOD. AND RIGHT HERE WE CAN AVAIL OURSELVES TO THIS INTELLIGENCE AND EASILY SOLVE ANY CHALLENGE.

WE DO THAT BY STEPPING IN TO THIS INTELLIGENCE, HONORING EACH OTHER, RESPECTING ONE ANOTHER'S OPINIONS WHEN WE AGREE AND DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND RESPECTING EACH OTHER'S TIME.

AND FOR THIS, OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE A BETTER PLACE, THAT WILL BE MOVING TOWARDS THAT BRIGHT SHINING CITY ON THE HILL THAT HAS BEEN FORETOLD IN SCRIPTURE. THIS IS OUR TRUTH.

WE CELEBRATE THIS RIGHT KNOWING AND RELEASE THIS PRAYER INTO THE MIND OF GOD, RETURNING TO US MULTIPLIED ABUNDANTLY.

TOGETHER WE SAY "AMEN," AND SO IT IS.

>> PLEASE BE SEATED. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO HAVE SHERIFF ELECT TO COME FORWARD AND LEAD US FROM A FEW WORDS OF INVOCATION. WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR, COMMISIONERS, STAFF AND RESIDENTS. IT'S A PRIVILEGE AND HONOR THAT I STAND HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU QUITE UNDERSTAND THE FEELINGS I'M HAVING.

BUT THING I AM GOING TO COMMIT TO YOU IS THE BEST WORKING RELATIONSHIP YOU'VE SEEN. I COMMIT FROM THIS POINT FORWARD STARTING JANUARY 5TH ONE OF MY EXECUTIVE STAFF MEMBERS WILL ATTEND ALL OF YOUR MEETINGS AND SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT TO NON-AGENDA-RELATED MATTERS AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION MAY NEED TO ADDRESS.

THAT'S SOMETHING I COMMIT TO YOU.

AGAIN, LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS PARTNERSHIP.

IT'S IMPORTANT OUR PARTNERSHIP IS THE STRONGEST IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THEY'RE RELYING ON US TO PUT THE BEST FOOT FORWARD AND GET THINGS DNE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU, ALONGSIDE YOU AND YOUR STAFF, AND COMMIT A RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE LIKE NO OTHER WITH JOY, BRAD, AND HUHUNTER CONRAD. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M PRIVILEGED TO LEAD IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SO PLEASE STAND.

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COMMISIONERS, THANK YOU, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, AND GOD BLESS.

>> AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

[Public Comment]

MR. VICE CHAIR. >> AT THIS TIME THE BOARD WILL HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON MATTERS NOT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

ANY PERSON WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD SHOULD COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE HIS OR HER NAME OR ADDRESS.

EACH PERSON WILL BE PROVIDED THREE MINUTES.

COMMENTS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER AND MAY NOT INCLUDE A DEMAND FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE FROM THE BOARD.

NO PERSON MAY ADDRESS THE BOARD WITH PERSONAL AND PERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS OR BOISTEROUS BEHAVIOR.

I WOULD ASK THAT ANY SPEAKER THAT PRESENTS ANY OVERHEAD MATERIAL, PLEASE PRESENT THAT MATERIAL TO THE STAFF OF THE CLERK OF COURT OVER THERE TO BE ENTERED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD.

WITH THAT, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SP SPEAK, I'M GOING TO START WITH AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION FIRST AND THEN GO TO THE PHONES TODAY. THREE MINUTES, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES PLEASE.

WE WANT TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, SO UNDERSTAND THREE MINUTES IS THE MAX FOR EVERYONE. YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, BILL.

>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. BILL MCCLURE.

I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY FIRST OF ALL, I RARELY GET TO AWARE MY FLORIDA SHIRT. SO THERE YOU GO.

I COME TO YOU TODAY WITH A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY OUT IN -- WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, PARTICULARLY WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT IN HASTINGS. MY NEIGHBOR WOULD LIKE TO PUT A RURAL HOME INDUSTRY OUT IN HASTINGS AT 1050 COUNTY ROAD 13 SOUTH. WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS ABOUT 40 ACRES AND MR. GIBSON WANTS TO PUT A ONE-RESIDENTIAL UNIT ON THERE. HE HAS A TREE FARM ON THERE.

HOWEVER, THE RURAL HOME INDUSTRY IS ALLOWED.

IT IS ALSO ZONED OPEN RURAL. SO IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.

HOWEVER, THE RURAL CULTURE WANTS YOU TO HAVE 100 ACRES OR MORE.

SO YOU HAVE THIS BIG GAP BETWEEN THE 39 ACRES REALLY.

SO THE FUTURE LAND USE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WANTS YOU TO MAYBE CHANGE THAT FUTURE LAND USE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE MORE FUTURE DENSITY. HOWEVER, THE LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROMOTES IN RURAL AREAS WE WANT TO KEEP THIS AS A RURAL PIECE OF PROPERTY.

SECTION 27 ALSO SAYS THAT A RURAL HOME INDUSTRY IS ALLOWED BY AGRICULTURAL RIGHT. PART 202 ALLOWED WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICTS, AGAIN, AGRICULTURAL USES STATES RURAL HOME INDUSTRY. WHEN MR. GIBSON WENT TO TURN IN THE APPLICATION TO BUILD A HOME OUT THERE, HE HAS CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, HE'S A CERTIFIED CONTRACTOR, THE INTERPRETATION BY THE STAFF IS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING TO TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN TO A RURAL HOME.

HE WANTS TO BUILD ONE. NOWHERE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES IT SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING.

SO WE HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT'S FILLED OUT.

YOU ALREADY HAVE THE PROPER ZONING.

YOU ALREADY HAVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE.

EVERYTHING IS DONE. AND -- BUT YET WE'RE CAUGHT IN BETWEEN AN INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING FIRST TO HAVE A RURAL HOME INDUSTRY, WHICH AGAIN, I CAN'T FIND THAT THAT'S AN INTERPRETATION, OR YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH AS YOU KNOW IS A BIG COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE CHANGE. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU CREATE MORE DENSITY. SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THIS PREDICAMENT. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, WE'RE ASKING FOR EITHER ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD OF WHERE TO TURN IN THE

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>> OKAY. >> AND I HAVE WITH ME HERE MR. GIBSON. AND IF HE HAS -- HE DOESN'T WANT TO -- OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD.

>> THANK YOU, BILL. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCCLURE.

IF YOU CAN GET WITH MR. CONRAD, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

>> THAT'S THE APPLICATION. THANK YOU.

>> GOOD MORNING, SHERRY BADGER, 2772 SOUTH COLLINS AVENUE.

MR. WALDRON, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE TRASH CLEANED UP. THIS RIGHT HERE IS TRASH THAT IS ON SUPPOSEDLY THE BUFFER. THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE NEXT DAY AND THE NEXT DAY. AND YOU CAN SEE THEY PLAINLY HAVE PADS FOR THEIR BUFFER, FOR THEIR TRASH CANS.

AND NOW FOR SOME REASON, THEY HAVE THIS ONE OUTSIDE OF ITS PAD, THIS ONE OUTSIDE OF ITS PAD, AND THIS ONE OUTSIDE OF ITS PAD. AND THIS JUST GOES WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU SENT CODE ENFORCEMENT, COMMISSIONER WALDRON, THEN THE TRASH WAS PICKED UP, BUT THESE TRASH CANS ARE VIOLATION OF THE PUD.

THEY WERE ALLOTTED TWO PADS, ONE IN THE BEGINNING, 2009, THEY WENT BACK WHEN THEY WERE CAUGHT FOR NOT HAVING THEIR NATURAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER, OKAY? SO WE SAID, "OKAY, TWO PADS, WE'LL GO ALONG WITH THAT." WE GAVE THEM PERMISSION 2009.

WE DIDN'T FIGHT THEM FOR HAVING THE OTHER PADS.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE ON THIS ONE, YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE THAT IS SETTING ON THE CURB. THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF THE PUD AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION WHERE ALL OF Y'ALL CAN BE AWARE. AND BEFORE WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME, I ASKED YOU TO SWEAR IN YOUR STAFF.

AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE I HEARD YOUR STAFF GET UP TWICE AND TESTIFY THAT THERE WAS NO FLOODING.

OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CLEARLY HAD PICTURES OF FLOODING.

BUT YOUR STAFF GOT UP HERE AND SAID THEY DIDN'T.

ALSO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO. GENTLEMEN, THESE STAFF ARE YOUR EYES AND YOUR EARS AND YOU HAVE TO RELY ON THEM TO TELL THE TRUTH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME TO FOR YOU TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT THE ISSUE DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU.

GOD BLESS YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> BJ KALADI, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

WE SENT THE LAST ORDER THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE COUNTY BUILDINGS. THE SECOND THING IS ON JANUARY THE 18TH IS MARTIN LUTHER KING DAY.

I FOUND OUT LAST NIGHT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THERE'S GOING TO BE A -- WHAT SHOULD WE CALL IT? I DON'T KNOW. SOME PEOPLE CALL IT ONE THING AND SOME PEOPLE CALL IT ANOTHER THING.

AND MR. RALS IS GOING TO BE DOWN THERE AT 4:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

I SUGGEST MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW UP.

THERE SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM WHEN THAT MAN COMES TO TOWN.

THE THIRD THING THEN IS -- THIS IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. I HAVE 2 MINUTES AND 16 SECONDS.

MASKS -- I HATE TO TELL YOU THIS.

I KNOW I'M NOT A DOCTOR OR A SCIENTIST.

BUT MASKS DO NOT SAVE PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT MAY BE A SHOCK, BUT ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE PEOPLE. YOU LOOK IN THE BIBLE, IT SAYS, "BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALL BE SAVED." THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'LL STAND IN THE STREET AND HAVE SOMEONE RUN ME OVER. BUT WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE.

I THINK WE'VE FORGOTTEN THE TRUTH IN GOD'S WORD.

AND ALSO I WAS GLAD THE SHERIFF TO BE WAS UP HERE BECAUSE HE HAS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU SEE CERTAIN PEOPLE SHAKING HANDS WHEN YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SHAKING HANDS AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR MASK ON, YOU REALLY WONDER BECAUSE WE AS

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I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU AS MY FATHERS.

I'M SORRY. I THINK WE CAN REMEMBER ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I CAN SAY IT OUT LOUD.

MERRY CHRISTMAS. I KNOW YOU CAN'T SAY THAT NOWADAYS BUT I'M SAYING IT BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE MERRY CHRISTMAS NONE OF YOU WOULD BE GETTING ANY GIFTS I DON'T KNOW.

AND MAYBE YOU WOULD. MR. WALDRON, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE SITTING THERE. YOU SHOULD BE SITTING HERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE. YOU'VE BEEN A GOOD PERSON.

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

BUT IT CONCERNS ME WHEN I SEE YOU WAY OVER THERE.

MAYBE IT'S EASIER FOR YOU WAY OVER THERE, BUT I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. BUT IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY.

THIS IS HANDLED THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED.

BT MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I COMMENT. MS. BJ, THE ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT IS NOT WORKING AT THAT TABLE. THAT'S WHY I'M OVER HERE.

>> FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, AUDIENCE.

PLEASE STEP UP IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK.

NAME AND ADDRESS AND THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THIS ONE?

>> EITHER ONE, ANY ONE OF THE THREE.

>> OKAY. OKAY.

MY NAME IS BETH DARBY. AND I LIVE AT 9369 OOLD A1A.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOOD MORNING, COMMISIONERS.

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE PROPERTY OWNERS ADD SUSUMMER HAVEN.

I'VE MADE NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AS A GOVERNING BODY. IT SEEMS THE BOARD HAS CHOSEN TO CONTROL SUMMER HAVEN ABSENT PROPERTY MEMBERS.

I FIND IT REALLY HARD TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE INTEREST OF THE CONSTITUENCY IF YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE BESTS OF THE CONSTITUENCY. AN OPEN EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION IS AT THE CORE OF SUCCESSFUL RESOLUTION.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IF WE FAILED TO DO THAT AT THE START OF THE PROCESS, WE'RE BASICALLY POISED TO BEGIN RESOLUTION WITH A FEELING OF RESENTMENT ALREADY IN TOW.

AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESENTMENT THAT'S BUILT UP BETWEEN SUMMER HAVEN AND THE COUNTY.

SO I FIND THAT WE STAND BEFORE YOU AND WE STAND TOGETHER IN SUPPORT OF EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE'RE APPROACHING THIS.

AND IT'S HERE THE DISREGARD FOR THE SANCTITY OF THE LAW BY THE BOCC, IN MY OPINION, COMES INTO PLAY.

MAY I SAY IT'S PARTICULARLY EGREGIOUS FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WHO SIGNED THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT OF 2013 ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, TO SEEMINGLY ADVISE THE BOCC CURRENTLY TO DISREGARD THE AGREEMENT.

THE DISREGARD OF THE STRUCTURE HAS REFOCUSED OUR ATTENTION ACCORDINGLY. AND I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, BUT LET ME SAY, THAT TWO-PLUS YEARS OF RELENTLESS AND EXTENSIVE RESEARCH HAS LED TO THE SAME CONCLUSION.

AND THAT CONCLUSION IS TO EFFECTUATE THE DEMISE OF SUMMER HAVEN VIA FORCED MANAGED RETREAT.

AND THAT'S RESULTED, AT LEAST FOR ME, IN AN ALLEGATION OF WILL FEEL DISOBEDIENCE OF A COURT ORDER, FEDERAL AND STATE AGENCY POLICY AND PROCEDURE, AND FEDERAL AND STATE STATUTES.

CORRECTION. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FREELY AND DIRECTLY, UNINTERRUPTED AND UNCENSORED. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTARY WILL CONTINUE ON JANUARY 5TH, 2021.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> FYI, WE DON'T HAVE A JANUARY 5TH MEETING.

THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE THE THIRD TUESDAY IN JANUARY, IF

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. >> THE MEETING WILL BE WHEN?

>> THE 19TH OF JANUARY IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JUST FYI, DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SHOW UP AND NO AUDIENCE, NO PEOPLE HERE.

NEXT. >> MR. MCCORMACK, YOU MAKE SURE

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>> LAST CALL FOR -- YES, MA'AM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, GET IN THE QUEUE LINE, COME ON UP. IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE, GET IN THE QUEUE LINE SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG.

NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME'S DR. SHEILA.

MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE IN SUMMER HAVEN AT 9403 OLD A1A.

AS A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL, I'M UNIQUELY QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON THE HEALTH AND SAFELY ISSUES OF THE INGRESS AND EGRESS TO SAFELY EVACUATE THIS AREA IN AN EMERGENCY.

AT HIGH TIDE WE CAN'T AT ALL. I'VE GOTTEN STUCK A COUPLE TIMES. A COUNTY TRUCK GOT STUCK A WEEK AGO AND HAD TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WRECKER PULL HIM OUT. IT'S INTERESTING HE GOT STUCK IN AN AREA THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE BUILT A TURNAROUND IN A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT IN 2013 THAT NEVER OCCURRED. IT TOOK A SPINAL INJURY AND A HOUSE BURNING DOWN ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO BEFORE THE ROAD CONDITION WAS EVEN ADDRESSED. SINCE THEN CONDITIONS HAVE WORSENED. DUE TO THE LACK OF ATTENTION TO HISTORICAL AND CURRENT LEVELS OF EROSION, WE'RE UNABLE TO ACCESS OUR HOMES, WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO MUNICIPAL SERVICES, THAT INCLUDE 911, FIRE, GARBAGE, MAIL, AMBULANCE, POLICE, ELECTRICITY, CONTRACTOR SERVICES. WE ARE FORCED TO DO THIS BY FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, LIKE I SAID. AND MANY TIMES IT'S UNSUCCESSFUL. SO THE COUNTY, EVERY TIME WE CALL TO SAY WE CAN'T GET IN OR CAN'T GET OUT, THE COUNTY SAYS THAT THIS ROAD IS PASSABLE. SO I NEED SOMEONE TO TELL ME WHAT YOUR DEFINITION OF PASSABLE IS.

YEARS AGO, BY U.S. STANDARDS, MANY YEARS AGO, THE EROSION PROCESS WAS ABOUT .8 INCHES A YEAR.

THAT CHANGES, WE WERE TOLD -- I WAS TOLD IT CHANGES EVERY TEN YEARS, THAT SORT OF NUMBER. SO WE BELIEVE THAT THE ROCK ARMORMENT TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF US PUTS US IN A VERY VULNERABLE POSITION FOR TOTAL DESTRUCTION AND WASHOUT WITH ANY UPCOMING STORMS, NOR'EASTERS, HIGH TIDES, HURRICANES, ANYTHING, EVEN A FULL MOON TIDE WE'RE GETTING WASHOUT.

WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROTECTION, NO BARRIER, NO NOTHING. AS A PERMANENT REBUILD OF OUR OLD A1A ROAD IS CURRENTLY WELL UNDERWAY IN THE NORTH PORTION OF SUMMER HAVEN, THAT IS CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT IT EXISTS AND IS POSSIBLE. IN 2018 MY HUSBAND AND I WROTE A

LETTER TO THE COUNTY. >> MA'AM, IF YOU CAN WRAP IT UP.

I'M SORRY, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

SORRY. BUT WE THANK YOU FOR COMING.

ALL RIGHT. LAST CALL, PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE, LAST CALL. I SEE NONE.

SO WE WILL NOW GO TO THE PHONES. AND IF WE CAN START WITH THE FIRST CALLER. MY LITTLE SCREEN SAYS WE HAVE FIVE STANDING BY. SO LET'S START WITH THE FIRST CALLER PLEASE. NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> TOM REYNOLDS. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON SUMMER HAVEN. RICK SCOTT ALLOCATED ALL THAT MONEY FOR THEM DOWN THERE AND DID NOTHING FOR PEOPLE IN WEST ST. AUGUSTINE. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR THOSE PEOPLE. JUST LIKE IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE.

ASK WHAT IT SAYS IN THE BIBLE ABOUT BUILDING YOUR HOUSE ON SAND. I'M GLAD TO SEE ROB HARDWICK COME IN THERE. IT'S GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN HONEST OPEN SHERIFF AND WE KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE.

SECOND OF ALL TODAY, FOLKS, I MEAN, THIRD, YOU KNOW, FOLKS, THERE IS VOTER FRAUD IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

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I'M NOT SAYING BIDEN'S [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE OBVIOUSLY MIXED UP. I BELIEVE DOMINION MACHINES WERE TAMPERED. I CAN'T A STATE WITH ALL THESE OLD PEOPLE WOULD VOTE FOR SOMEONE WITH A COMMUNIST MOVEMENT. NUMBER FOUR TODAY, I SEE WE NO LONGER HAVE NORMAL CONGRESSMAN. WE HAVE RUTHERFORD AND WALLS.

THEN HE GOES AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION.

NOW HE'S TRYING TO SAY, BECAUSE THE ORLANDO SENTINEL, THEY CALLED HIM A COWARD. NOW HE'S DE FACTO.

THEY WENT AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION TO TRY TO OVERTHROW THE ELECTION. I'M BESIDE MYSELF BY THAT ONE THERE, FOLKS. ANYWAY, FINALLY TODAY, COMMISIONERS, I SEE WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF ON THE AGENDA TODAY. I SEE THAT ONCE AGAIN WE'VE GOT TWO -- TWO -- TWO PACKAGES ON THE BOTTOM TWO.

I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I READ THE WHOLE AGENDA.

I'M NOT LIKE YOUR TYPICAL ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENT AND DON'T READ. I READ IT.

THE WELFARE PACKAGES. I'LL BE COMMENTING ON THEM.

NUMBER ONE, I SEE ALSO I'M GOING TO HAVE A COMMENT ON.

AND I ALSO SEE THAT THE 9 MILE GANG IS BACK.

YES, BRANDON LAKES THE NUMBER ONE ATTORNEY.

HOW MUCH MORE COULD THEY POSSIBLY WANT AFTER $24,300,000 DEBT FORGIVENESS? YOU KNOW, COMMISIONERS, TODAY IS THE DAY I'M REALLY GOING TO WATCH YOU.

TODAY IS THE LAST MEETING OF THE MONTH.

I'M SO GLAD BLOCKER COULD MAKE IT.

I'M GLAD TO SEE HIM THERE EARNING HIS PAYCHECK.

I'LL COMMENT ON THE FOUR IMPORTANT ITEMS ON THIS AGENDA TODAY. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING.

IF YOU VOTE POSITIVE FOR THE LAST TWO AND GIVE CORPORATE WELFARE, JUST DON'T CALL YOURSELF A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BE A CONSERVATIVE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS TO COME WITH BEING A CONSERVATIVE AND THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO BE AGAINST PUBLIC WELFARE MONEY GOING OUT TO THOSE COMPANIES.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> COMMISIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE COMMENTS ON IT. I BELIEVE PEOPLE NEED TO WEAR A MASK IN THE COUNTY BUILDING. I WANT TO PROTECT THE COUNTY

EMPLOYEE. >> NEXT SPEAKER.

NEXT SPEAKER, NUMBER TWO ON THE PHONE.

>> HELLO, EVERYBODY. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME?

>> YES. HI.

SO THIS IS EDWARD ROSS. I'M THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE HOUSE AT 9429 OOLD A1A, WHICH I THE THIRD HOUSE NORTH IN MARINE LANDS. AND SINCE ABOUT 1991, WE'VE BEEN THERE USING THE PROPERTY PRETTY MUCH MOST WEEKENDS WHEN I WASN'T WORKING. AND I'M CALLING IN NOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WEARING TWO HATS. THE FIRST HAT IS I'M CALLING AS A PHYSICIAN DOCTOR WITH SOME COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD FROM OTHERS. SO MY BACKGROUND IS I WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AS A FULL TENURED PROFESSOR FOR OVER 20 YEARS, AS AN INTERNIST, AND NOW MOST OF MY TIME IS IN ORLANDO AS CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL FLORIDA. WEARING THAT HAT, I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING BETTER ACCESS, NAMELY A ROAD FOR MEDICAL EMERGENCIES WHERE EVERY MINUTE COUNTS FOR HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES.

SO I REALLY DO NOT -- I SINCERELY DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE FAST ENOUGH ACCESS TO HELP PEOPLE IN THE MIDST OF A HEART ATTACK OR STROKE. THE SECOND REASON I'M CALLING IS TO PROVIDE WHAT MAY BE SOME NEW INFORMATION TO YOU GOING BACK TO 1990 WHEN WE CONSIDERED BUYING THE PROPERTY AND I INVESTIGATED THE HISTORIC RECORD OF EROSION AT THE BEACH, HAVING MADE A PERSONAL IN-PERSON APPOINTMENT WITH THE CHAIRMAN OF OCEANOGRAPHY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

WE REVIEWED THE PAPER RECORDS ON MAPS GOING BACK TO THE 1880'S

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AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED AND IT'S BECOME A MAN MADE PROBLEM THAT'S CHANGED THE RATE OF EROSION.

AND HE WAS VERY EXPLICIT ON THE RECORD OF THE BEACH RESTORING ITSELF AFTER OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OF HURRICANES AND STORMS BECAUSE OF THE TIDE PATTERN. SO MY ASK TO YOU PEOPLE WOULD BE TO BRING THE STATE AND FEDERAL PEOPLE IN ON THIS BECAUSE I DO SINCERELY BELIEVE IT'S A MAN-MADE PROBLEM THAT SHOULD BE FIXED USING STATE AND FEDERAL MONIES.

THAT'S MY THREE MINUTES. AND I'M AVAILABLE HERE FOR ANYBODY THAT MAY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE OCEANOGRAPHY

CHAIRMAN RELAYED. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT CALLER. [BEEPING]

>> GO AHEAD. >> HELLO, THIS IS MARIA CHAVEZ.

I AM THE OWNER OF 9409 OLD A1A. WE PURCHASED OUR HOME IN 2019.

WE WERE TOLD THE ROAD WOULD BE UP KEPT BY THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANY IMPROVEMENTS SINCE LAST YEAR AND I DON'T THINK THEY EVEN HAVE ANY PLANNING FOR ANY PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS FOR MY LATER TIME. AND I DON'T SEE THEM TAKING CARE OF THIS ROAD AT ALL. THEY'RE IGNORING THIS.

AND I FEEL THEY ARE NOT EVEN CARING ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY ON THIS STREET. THEY'RE INCREASING THE PROPERTY TAXES. HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY THAT WHEN WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY CHARGE FOR? EVEN 911. I HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AND THEY HAVE ENCOUNTERED SMALL SHARKS. WHAT IF THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN BITTEN BY A SHARK? I COULD NOT GET A 911 VEHICLE IN THERE TO HELP THEM. THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. AND THIS NEEDS TO BE REALLY THOUGHT OF BECAUSE THIS CANNOT CONTINUE LIKE THAT.

WE NEED TO GET THIS ROAD BACK ON TRACK AND THERE NEEDS TO BE PLANNING FOR IT. THE OTHER ROAD, THE 9409 -- I'M SORRY, NORTH A1A, THEY HAVE IMPROVEMENTS.

HOW COME THEY DID THAT FOR THEM AND NOT FOR US? THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED. THEY NEED TO BE REALLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHY THEY CHOSE TO FIX ONE ROAD AND NOT THE OTHER. AND WE FEEL THAT THEY ARE IGNORING THIS COMMUNITY COMPLETELY AND TO THEIR OWN BENEFIT. WHY? WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS? AND THE ROAD WAS DONE AT THE SAME TIME AND WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY REPAIRS DONE OR THEY KEEP DRAGGING THIS LONGER AND LONGER AND BLAMING ONE DEPARTMENT OR THE OTHER. THEY NEED TO REALLY BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO US. THEY NEED TO STOP PLAYING POLITICAL ISSUES WITH EVERYONE HERE AND THEY NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR US, PROVIDE US, TO HELP US FIX THE ROAD.

THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT PROVIDING US A ROAD FOR MANY YEARS. THIS IS TRULY UNFAIR.

AND I CANNOT DECIDE TO MOVE THERE PERMANENTLY WITHOUT EVEN HAVING MY MAIL PICKED UP. I HAVE TO GO WAY FAR TO BRING MY OWN TRASH, PUT IT OUTSIDE, AND THE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY LOOKS TERRIBLE, LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE BAGS OF TRASH PILED UP, BOXES OF GARBAGE, EVEN OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY, IT'S LIKE A DUMP ZONE. AND YOU GUYS IGNORE THAT.

YOU GUYS DON'T -- WE HAVE CALLED THE COUNTY.

THEY SAY THEY'LL SEND SOMEBODY TO GO SEE WHY THEY HAVEN'T PICKED UP THE TRASH. WHY SHOULD WE LIVE LIKE THAT WHEN WE ARE PAYING PREMIUM FOR PROPERTY TAXES? WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THOSE INCREASING PROPERTY TAXES? THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW WHAT IS THEIR PLAN.

THEY CAN'T CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS ROAD.

WE NEED SOME ANSWERS AND WE NEED SOME SOON.

THIS NEEDS TO BE REALLY, REALLY THOUGHT OF.

AND THEY NEED TO BE FAIR AND TRANSPARENT TO ALL THE

RESIDENTS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, THAT'S THREE MINUTES. I THANK YOU FOR CALLING IN.

NEXT CALLER STANDING BY. [BEEPING]

[00:35:11]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER DEAN, VICE CHAIR AND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS VIVIAN BROWNING.

I'M CALLING IN TODAY, COMMUNITY LEADER FOR VERONA BEACH.

CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FOR A $1 MILLION GRANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE TRAIL. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF TRAILS AND MULTIUSE PATHS SINCE '99 AND OUR EFFORTS DOWN HERE. THIS WILL HELP OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY HAVE USE OF THE TRAILS.

IT'LL HELP US ON CUTTING BACK ON TRAFFIC THIS IS A SMALL PORTION ON THE NEXT STEP OF OUR TRAIL WHICH WILL BE SOME PLANNING AND DESIGN.

WE WOULD LIKE THIS ITEM TO REMAIN ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND TO BE APPROVED TODAY. AND THEN FOR THE GRANT TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE.

AGAIN, WE THINK THIS WILL HELP OUR CRA AND OVERALL HELP WITH OUR COMMUNITY AND IT'S BEEN A LONG-NEEDED RESOURCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

PLEASE LEAVE IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING FOR OTHER GRANTS AND MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE WILLING TO DO OUR WORK OUT HERE AND WE APPRECIATE THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S SUPPOR AND THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND OUR LOCAL ROUNDTABLE. THANK YOU AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU

>> VIVIAN, I THINK WE NEED YOUR ADDRESS.

I THINK WE MISSED IT. >> OH YES, OKAY.

I'M 30 BEACH [INDISCERNIBLE]. THANK YOU.

>> ALL OF US WISH YOU A CONTINUED SPEEDY RECOVERY FROM

YOUR MISHAP. >> I TELL YOU, YES, A BROKEN HIP IS NO FUN, BUT I'M DOING WELL AND I'M ON THE MEND.

AND I TELL ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND ALL OF THE COMMUNITY I CAN GET A RIDE TO WHEREVER YOU ARE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT ME NOT BEING PARTICIPATING. BUT TODAY THIS CALL IN, TOO BAD IT'S CAUSED BY THE PANDEMIC, BUT IT'S A GREAT SERVICE FOR THOSE

OF US WHO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS. >> WE WISH YOU WELL.

WE HAVE, I BELIEVE, ONE OTHER CALLER ON THE LINE.

ONE OTHER CALLER. CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? [BEEPING]

>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I TRULY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MYSELF. MY NAME IS ARMOND [INDISCERNIBLE]. 9413 OLD A1A.

I'M A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR. I PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE ALONG THE SUMMER HAVEN. AGAIN, 9413 OLD A1A, BACK IN SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2016. I PAID $325,000 FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH HOPES THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD MY DREAM HOME. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, HURRICANE MATTHEW CAME IN AND WASHED THE ROAD AWAY SO WE LOST OUR ROAD.

AND SINCE THEN I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING MY DREAM HOME BUT DEALING WITH THE MANY DIFFERENT GENERAL CONTRACTORS, PROFESSIONALS THAT -- TO BUILD THE HOME, SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD ANYTHING SINCE NOTHING, NO SERVICES IS PRETTY MUCH AVAILABLE FOR THAT ROAD.

IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AS AN INVESTOR TO INVEST MORE MONEY INTO THAT PROPERTY, INTO THAT LAND THAT I BOUGHT AND I'VE BEEN PAYING THE TAXES ON TIME. I'M TRYING TO BE A WONDERFUL CITIZEN. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS LAND HAS BEEN SITTING THERE. I TRIED TO PUT IT ON THE MARKET TO SELL THIS PROPERTY. AND I'M NOT GETTING ANY LUCK SELLING THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. IM IN A DESPERATE SITUATION.

THE REASON THAT I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE OF THE GEOGRAPHY AND THE LOCATION AND ALSO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT

[00:40:03]

I VISIT THE PROPERTY MAYBE FIVE OR SIX TIMES A YEAR.

I WAS THERE LIKE THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO.

I NOTICED THAT THE HIGH TIDES WERE WASHING AWAY A COUPLE OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH OF THE STREET AND IT WAS VERY DEVASTATING TO SEE THAT ALL THE SEPTIC TANKS ALL ARE ON THE GROUND BEING WASHED AWAY BY THE OCEAN'S WATER AND ELECTRIC POLES IS JUST LIKE YOUR WORST COUNTRY. I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS -- I HAVE PICTURES, VIDEOS TO SHOW YOU, TO SHARE WITH YOU.

IS THIS AMERICA THAT I KNOW? I CAME TO THIS COUNTRY 30 YEARS AGO TO BE A GOOD AMERICAN CITIZEN AND SHOW -- I'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO BUILD MY FUTURE HOME IN THIS BEAUTIFUL SPOT AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH THE COUNTY'S --

>> SIR, THANK YOU. THREE MINUTES, SIR.

THANK YOU, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, HAPPY HOLIDAYS.

>> ALL RIGHT. I DON'T SHOW ANY MORE CALLS.

I'LL ASK THE CONTROL ROOM, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CALLS, PUBLIC COMMENT CALLS? OKAY, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. BUT BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS ITEM, I'M SORT OF ALMOST COMPELLED TO COMMENT ON SUMMER HAVEN.

I MENTIONED THIS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO BRIEFLY.

AND I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF, BUT LET ME SAY THIS.

IN MY OPINION -- I'M NO COASTAL ENGINEER, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ON-THE-JOB TRAINING IN THIS AREA.

AND I CAN TELL YOU MY OPINION, MAY LAYMAN'S OPINION THAT THIS SPIT, THIS SUMMER HAVEN SPIT, IN MY OPINION, WAS NEVER CAPABLE AND SUSTAINABLE FOR SUPPORTING HOMES.

NOW, YOU CAN SAY THE HOMEOWNERS CHOSE TO BUY OR THEY CHOSE TO BUILD. IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT.

AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. MY POSITION IS THAT WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT WITH THE APPROVAL OF FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

SO WE'RE SORT OF, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, A COCONSPIRATOR.

SO IN MY OPINION, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALL WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH AN EQUITABLE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION.

I'M NOT 100% SURE WHAT THAT IS. I HAVE AN IDEA.

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO DISCUSS IT THIS MORNING.

BUT LET ME SAY THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A CONSENSUS OF US THAT WE ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT THIS OVERALL PROBLEM OF SUMMER HAVEN AND WE SEE WHAT ALTERNATIVES MIGHT COME FORTH.

AND IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO SUGGEST SOME, I HAVE ONE.

WE CAN GET WITH STAFF INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE I THINK IN THE LONG RUN, WE REALLY HAVE TAKEN ON THROUGH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT A RESPONSIBILITY THAT, NUMBER ONE, IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH ON A FAIR BASIS TO THESE HOMEOWNERS, AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S GOING TO END UP COSTING US HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO MAINTAIN THE VEHICULAR ACCESS, WHICH I DON'T THINK, AS I SAID, IS THE BEST APPROACH.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO COME UP WITH A WHITE PAPER, IF YOU WILL, MAYBE EVEN A CONSULTANT'S REPORT THAT WOULD ADDRESS WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND SEE IF THERE IS A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I ASK FOR ANY COMMENTS.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, COMMISSIONER DEAN.

I WOULD PLAN TO BRING THIS UP DURING COMMISSIONER MEETING.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> IF WE COULD, COULD WE ASK JOY TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN WHY THE NORTH PART -- IT'S A FEMA PROJECT, NOT A COUNTY PROJECT.

WE HAVE BEEN IN CONFERENCE WITH CONGRESSMAN WALTZ, WHY THEY WERE DENIED THE SOUTH END AND HE'S GETTING WITH THE FDP.

I SPOKE WITH THEIR OFFICE ON FRIDAY.

ALSO SPOKE WITH HIM A FEW TIMES. BEEN A LOT GOING ON FOR THEM.

I TALKED TO HIM FRIDAY. THEY'RE BACK IN WORKING ON IT

[00:45:03]

SO FAR. >> ABSOLUTELY.

LET ME GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH. YOU WANT TO BE HEARD FIRST?

>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT -- JOY AND I HAD A MEETING WITH A HOMEOWNER THIS LAST WEEK AND WE HAD A SYSTEMIC APPROACH TO DEALING WITH THE INTERTWINING OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL TO MAKE A REQUEST TO A SYSTEMIC APPROACH TO RESOLVE THERE.

I AGREE THAT MAYBE JOY CAN COME FORWARD AND GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF

THAT INFORMATION. >> WE'LL HAVE JOY COME IN A MOMENT. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I WOULD ECHO COMMISSIONER DEAN'S COMMENTS WHICH IS TO SAY I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY WITHOUT ANSWERS, THAT WE MUST PROVIDE THEM WITH A SOLUTION, EVEN IF IT'S A SOLUTION THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR.

YES, WE MUST PROVIDE THEM WITH GOOD, BETTER, BEST OPTIONS FOR A PATH FORWARD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM JOY ANDREWS.

>> MRS. ANDREWS, IF YOU CAN COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD MORNING, JOY ANDREWS. THIS IS NOT GETTING TO THE DETAILS AS FAR AS THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, BUT WE ARE PREPARED TO WORK ON A COMPREHENSIVE MASTER PLAN ON THIS AREA, SUMMER HAVEN AREA, LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH ALLUDED TO THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH SOME REPRESENT THEIVES FROM -- REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE HOMEOWNERS. AS FAR AS THE FEMA PROJECT, THE BOARD HAS APPROVED THE FEMA VEGETATIVE PROJECT AND WE HAVE ALREADY PROCURED A CONTRACTOR AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS. SO IN ABOUT TWO MONTHS OR THREE MONTHS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO START TO SEE SOME CONSTRUCTION TO ADDRESS NORTH END OF THE SUMMER HAVEN.

SUMMER HAVEN ON THE SOUTH END WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH PERMITTING PROCESS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAS REACHED OUT TO THE CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE AND DIRECT STAFF, ALSO WORK WITH ARMY CORPS TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY THE PLACEMENT OF THE SPOILED MATERIAL FROM THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.

THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE MEASURES WE'LL BRING BEFORE THE BOARD AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS. I THINK WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL AFTER THE MEETING THAT THERE ARE SOME REASONABLE APPROACHES THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY SOME HOMEOWNERS THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER BEFORE YOU HOPEFULLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

>> MRS. ANDREWS, HOW SOON COULD YOU HAVE A REPORT PREPARED FOR

THE BOARD? >> I WOULD THINK PROBABLY WITHIN A MONTH OR SO THAT WE CAN BRING BACK SOME OPTIONS.

>> WELL, IF THERE'S BOARD CON CE CES CENSUS, WE'LL PUT THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM IN JANUARY. IS THERE BOARD CONSENSUS? OKAY, WE'LL DO IT IN JANUARY. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY, THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I GUESS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU TO MOVE AHEAD.

>> THIS TIME WE MOVE IN TO DELETIONS AND ADDITIONS TO THE

CONSENT AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.

[Consent Agenda]

>> I WILL MOVE THE APPROVAL TO CONSENT AGENDA AS IS.

>> SECOND. >> NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.

>> WE NEED TO VOTE. >> I'M SORRY.

>> WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND SECOND ON CONSENT APPROVAL.

>> WE NEED TO VOTE? >> YEAH, EVERYONE VOTE ON THAT.

>> EVERYONE PLEASE VOTE. >> YEAH.

>> OKAY, THAT PASSES 5-0. ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS TO THE

[Regular Agenda]

>> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A REQUEST, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO ADD AN ITEM TO THE REGULAR AGENDA AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OF THE LAMP PROGRAM AND SEE IF WE CAN'T MAYBE REACH A CONSENSUS ON WHAT MAYBE DIRECTION WE WOULD LIKE TO GO. IF YOU WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS THE LAST ITEM ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.

I GUESS IT WOULD BE 8. >> OKAY, WE CAN ADD THAT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, THAT WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 8 AT THE END OF THE AGENDA. MR. WHITEHURST.

>> NONE. >> MR. WALDRON.

>> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> YEAH, WELL, YOU'RE GOOD? OKAY. I MOVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS

AMENDED. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> SIR, WE'RE NOT TAKING PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT NOW.

>> I MOVE THE REGULAR AGENDA AS AMENDED.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. PLEASE VOTE.

[00:50:08]

>> ALL RIGHT. >> NOW WE MOVE IN TO AGENDA ITEM

[1. Public Hearing * REZ 2020-18 Tabone.]

>> THANKS. MY NAME IS WILLIAM TABONE AND I LIVE AT 2880 OOLD MOULTRIE ROAD AND I NEED TO REZONE FOR

REFINANCING PURPOSES. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

IS MR. CEARLEY HERE? >> RIGHT.

AND BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS AN EX PARTE ITEM.

SO IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY EX PARTE DISCLOSURES?

>> COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> NONE. >> I HAVE NONE.

>> MR. WHITEHURST? >> NONE, MR. CHAIR.

>> PLEASE GO AHEAD. >> THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE OLD MOULTRIE ROAD. REQUEST TO REZONE APPROXIMATELY .65 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY (RS-3) TO OPEN RURAL AT 2880 OLD MOULTRIE ROAD. IT'S THREE PARCELS.

TWO OF THE PARCELS ARE ZONED RESIDENTIAL DEALINGS OPEN RURAL.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

THIS IS THE PORTION HE WISHES TO REZONE TO OPEN RURAL.

IT'S CURRENTLY RS-3. THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS OPEN RURAL. [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT STAFF HAS NO

OBJECTIONS TO THIS AT ALL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. CEARLEY.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL MOVE IN TO

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1.

PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 1. I DON'T SEE ANY CALL-INS.

WELL, I SEE A -- IS THERE A CALL-IN? I SEE ONE. IS THERE -- ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER ONE CALL-IN. GO AHEAD, NAME AND ADDRESS, NAME

AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, GENTLEMEN, REMEMBER, THERE'S A DELAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAN IS FINISHING SAYING AND I GOT TO COMMENT. HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU. WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP AND I SEE WHERE THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO CHANGE THIS PROPERTY BACK, THE QUESTIONS THAT COME TO MY MIND IS WHY DOES HE WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK. AND I SEE THOSE OTHER NEW HOMES THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE TO IT. SO I SAY TO MYSELF, IS HE CHANGING IT BACK TO RURAL? WILL ALL OF THE SUDDEN THERE BE A HUNDRED PIGS NEXT TO SOME HOME THAT ARE OVER THERE? I DON'T KNOW. I'M A LITTLE MIXED.

WHEN I LOOKED AND SEE THAT THE COUNTY ADVISING THE COMMISSION TO VOTE FOR IT OR VOTE AGAINST IT, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY TO VOTE AGAINST IT. THIS PROPERTY IS TOO CLOSE TO THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES NOW. WHAT IS GOING TO GO ON THERE? IS IT ALL AGRICULTURAL LANDOVER THERE AND THIS LOT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN PUT THERE? I'M NOT SURE.

BUT I TELL YOU, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO A LOT OF HOMES.

AND I'M ALWAYS ONE FOR SEPARATING CITY FROM THE COUNTY, FROM CITY TYPE OF LIVING, AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE COUNTY, FROM CLOSE QUARTER LIVING TO RURAL LIVING.

THAT'S WHAT I ASK THAT THE COMMISSION KEEP IN MIND.

THIS IS NOT JUST A SIMPLE REZONING.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AN ODOR COULD AFFECT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE MAP IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. I'M NOT A LAND PLANNER, BUT IT LOOKS AWFUL CLOSE TO THE HOME BUT I HOPE YOU TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

ARE THIS QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR A SUGGESTED

MOTION? >> WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER

WALDRON. >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION, A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 DASH --

>> 62. >> APPROVING REZONING 2020-18 TO REZONING BASED UPON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, PLEASE VOTE.

OKAY, THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WILL NOW MOVE IN TO AGENDA

[2. Public Hearing * CPA (SS) 2020-02 9321 Byrd Road.]

[00:55:03]

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS DIANN WILSON. I LOVE I'M REPRESENTING MY HUSBAND WOODY WILSON.

IT'S HIS NICKNAME. OH, I GUESS A CLICKER.

THIS SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NEEDED AT 9321 BYRD ROAD IN HASTINGS AND ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION REQUIRES 39 ACRES IN ORDER TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.

THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IN ITS PRESENT STATUS IS 5.68 ACRES AND WE'RE REQUESTING TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.

YOU'LL SEE THE DESIGNATION. PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF ADD ADVISED US THIS IS THE ONLY COURSE OF ACTION WE COULD TAKE IN ORDER TO BUILD ON THE PROPERTY UNDER ITS CURRENT DESIGNATION. ANOTHER THING THAT'S ADDED TO OR CONTRIBUTED TO THE PROBLEM OR FOR US AT LEAST IS IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF A 15-ACHE PARCEL AND IT WAS SUBDIVIDED IN 2005 INTO THREE PARCELS. THE GENTLEMAN SUBSEQUENTLY SOLD US THE PARCEL THAT YOU SEE OUTLINED HERE LATER THAT YEAR IN, I BELIEVE, IT WAS JULY OF 2005, WITHOUT DIVULGING HE HAD USED THE DIVISION TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY.

THAT DIVISION ONLY ALLOWS FOR THE IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER THAT IT WAS TRANSFERRED TO, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD.

SO HERE'S THE PROPERTY AGAIN THAT YOU CAN SEE IT'S AN AGRICULTURAL AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY AGRICULTURAL.

HERE IT'S SHOWING WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING TO CHANGE IT TO AS AGRICULTURAL -- I MEAN, RESIDENTIAL.

THE NEXT ONE, IT'S OPEN RURAL ZONING, SO THAT WON'T CHANGE, WHICH WOULD PERMIT FOR A DWELLING.

THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PARCEL OUTLINED IN RED.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL PARCEL'S DOWN ON THE LOWER -- I GUESS IT'S THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. THE NEXT PARCEL IS THE TURQUOISE BLUE. HE WAS ACTUALLY ABLE -- HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FROM THE BANK IN 2012.

AND SOMEHOW IT WAS ABLE TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS WITH THIS ZONING NICHE THAT WE'RE IN, WHY WE'RE NEEDING TO REQUEST THIS, AND WAS ABLE TO BUILD A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING.

AND THE OTHER PARCEL YOU CAN SEE IS MOSTLY LINED WITH TREES AND WETLANDS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WE OWNED, THAT HAS THE OR ON IT RIGHT THERE. THIS JUST SUPPORTS THAT WITHIN THE 300-FOOT NOTIFICATION AREA, THAT THERE WAS -- IT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL HOMES SPATTERED ALL ALONG THERE.

WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND/OR, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A FEW OTHER HOMES JUST OUTSIDE THE 300-FOOT MARGIN AND THOSE ARE CIRCLED THERE AS WELL.

MOST OF THESE DWELLINGS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR NUMEROUS YEARS BEFORE A LOT OF THE ZONING ACTS WERE IN PLACE.

SO I'M HERE TODAY, AGAIN, TO REQUEST THAT YOU CHANGE THIS SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL INTENTS TO RESIDENTIAL. WE MET WITH THE PZA IN NOVEMBER AND THEY VOTED 6-1 TO APPROVE THIS.

AS THE PROPERTY WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN OPEN RURAL, IT'S NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY SERVICES.

IT WILL HELP ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THE DENSITY AND COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING AREAS. I THINK THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE. I'M SO NERVOUS.

I'M SO SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL

BE HAPPY TO SOLICIT THOSE. >> THANK YOU, MR. WILSON.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER SMITH. >> YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

I WOULD HAVE NEVER KNOWN YOU WERE NER AND ACTUALLY EXTRAORDINARILY PROFESSIONAL AS WELL AND I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT. THIS IS MY DISTRICT.

SHE HAS CLEARLY POINTED OUT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE AREA AND

[01:00:01]

I JUST WANT TO SAY YOU DID A GOOD JOB.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISIONER. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ANY COMMENT FROM THE BOARD? COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I NOTICED 60% OF THIS PROPERTY ARE CONTIGUOUS WETLANDS. WE MET UP THERE IN THE OFFICE.

I JUST WANT TO RECONFIRM ON THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE NO PLANS TO IMPACT THOSE WETLANDS WHATSOEVER.

>> NONE WHATSOEVER. I MEAN, I COULD CLEARLY SEE THAT THAT WOULD REMAIN AS IT IS. WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED OFFER DURING THIS PROCESS OF APPLICATION.

WE FILED THE APPLICATION IN APRIL AND IN SEPTEMBER ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S DAUGHTER, THE HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OF US, HIS DAUGHTER IS A NURSE AND HE'S IN ILL HEALTH.

AND THEY WANT TO BUILD A HOME THERE SO THAT THEY CAN HELP SUPPORT THEIR DAD WHILE HIS HEALTH DECLINES.

SO IF THAT HAPPENS, SHE'S ALREADY MET WITH CONTRACTORS AND BUILDERS AND SITE CLEARING PEOPLE AND SHE HAS NO INTENTIONS OF DESTROYING THE PROPERTY. SHE WANTS TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF

IT AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO INTO

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2. PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 2.

I DON'T SEE ANY CALL-IN ON OUR SCREEN HERE.

ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC? I SEE NO NO ONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE. SO I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH

PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED.

WE'RE BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I'LL UP FOR THE MOTION. I'LL SAY I DO BELIEVE THIS IS COMPATIBLE FOR THE AREA. IT WILL BE KIND OF ODD IN THAT IT'S A RED DOT IN THE MIDST OF AI BUT IT IS FITTING OF THIS AREA AND I HAVE NO ISSUES AT ALL.

A MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT

TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY, PLEASE VOTE.

THAT PASSES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

>> MERRY CHRISTMAS. OKAY, AT THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE

[3. Public Hearing * CDDAMD 2020-02 Sandy Creek CDD Dissolution.]

COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE'LL START WITH YOU.

>> I HAVE NONE TO DISCLOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> NONE. >> COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> NONE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

HOW ARE YOU? >> GOOD.

>> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS JONATHAN JOHNSON WITH HOPPING GREEN & SAMS. I'M HERE SEEKING THE DISSOLUTION AND TERMINATION OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THIS IS BEING DONE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 190 WHICH PERMITS THE DISILLUSION OF A DISTRICT ONCE THE DISTRICT NO LONGER HAS DEBT OR ASSETS OR OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS.

THE LANGUAGE OF THE STATUTE IS HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.

JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THIS DISTRICT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THIS COMMISSION IN 2004. IT IS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEASTERN QUADRANT AT INTERSTATE 95 AND STATE ROAD 210 AND JUST UNDER 500 ACRES. OVER THE COURSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, THE DISTRICT ISSUED APPROXIMATELY $36 MILLION WORTH OF BONDS, AS EVIDENCED IN THE AFFIDAVITS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS IN THE RECORD TODAY.

THOSE BONDS HAVE ALL BEEN PAID OFF.

AS WE SIT HERE TODAY ON DECEMBER 15TH, THIS DOES NOT HAVE BONDS OUTSTANDING, NO ASSETS. ALL ASSETS HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE SANDY CREEK MASTER PROPERTIES ASSOCIATION.

WE NO LONGER OWN ANY PERMITS. THOSE HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE ASSOCIATION AND THERE ARE NO OTHER ASSETS IN PLACE.

THE DISSOLUTION OF THIS CDB WILL NOT IMPOSE ANY OBLIGATIONS WHATSOEVER ON THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR THE CITIZENS OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE MASTER PROPERTY ASSOCIATION PURSUANT TO THE TERMS OF THE PLAN OF DISSOLUTION AND THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE WILL CONTINUE TO OWN AND OPERATE ALL OF THE FACILITIES LOCATED WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT.

TODAY'S HEARING HAS BEEN NOTICED IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 190 AND PROOFS OF PUBLICATION HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO STAFF.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE CRITERIA IN SECTION 190-046 HAVE BEEN MET

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE IN TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 3. PUBLIC COMMENT, ITEM 3.

MR. CHAIRMAN, SEEING NONE, BACK TO YOU.

>> OKAY, WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED, IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> YES, MR. CHAIR, I'LL MAKE A

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020. >> 64.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. OKAY, THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

[4. Public Hearing * COMPAMD 2020-03 Bannon Lakes (Transmittal).]

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONERS, AND MERRY CHRISTMAS. THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A LONG YEAR THAT IT FEELS ODD TO BE STANDING HERE ON DECEMBER 15TH WISHING YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS. SO WE'LL ALL BE JOYFUL ABOUT THAT. JUST A LITTLE LEVITY BEFORE WE BEGIN. JUST TO GET INTO THE PROJECT, AGAIN, I WILL BE HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE.

WE ARE HERE ON BEHALF OF EASTLAND DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS THE DEVELOPER OF BANNON LAKES.

THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CANNOT.

ALSO, OUR PROJECT TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.

IF WE NEED TO GET IN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY OF TRAFFIC, WE WILL CALL HIM UP HERE. FOR THE RECORD, I'M ELLEN AVERY-SMITH ROGERS TOWERS. A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE INTERESTED IN THIS MATTER. I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN I WOULD TYPICALLY TAKE FROM THE BOARD, THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE.

JUST A LITTLE ORIENTATION, THIS PROJECT, AGAIN BANNON LAKES IS 580 ACRES. SO YOU CAN SEE INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY TO THE SOUTH AND I-95 RUNS HERE.

THIS IS THE ST. JOHNS DRI AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE PROPERTY HAS A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

AND THAT DESIGNATION HAS BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY FOR PROBABLY 30 YEARS SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ENACTED.

IT WAS MIXED USE DISTRICT BACK IN 2013 AND '14 WHEN WE BEGAN THIS JOURNEY WITH BANNON LAKES. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, YOU SEE THE ST. JOHNS DRI, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THAT PROPERTY. IT INCLUDES SEVERAL THOUSAND ACRES NOT ONLY AT THIS INTERCHANGE OF I-95 BUT FARTHER TO THE WEST. THE PLAN ORIGINALLY FOR BANNON LAKES GOING ON SEVEN YEARS AGO WAS TO HAVE 1400 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS. A SINGLE-USE PROJECT WITH 1400 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS AND TO INCORPORATE THE PROJECT INTO THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ST. JOHNS DRI. THE MASTER DEVELOPER WAS ON BOARD OF EXTENDING THE BOUNDARIES TO THE EAST OF BANNON LAKES AND HAVING 1400 SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS THERE.

AT THE TIME THEY SAID, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MIXED-USE DISTRICT. YOU NEED TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF USES. AND SO IN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF, TALKING TO THE MASTER DEVELOPER OF THE ST. JOHNS DRI WHO DID NOT WANT TO HAVE COMPETING COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE BECAUSE THEY OWNED THIS PROPERTY HERE THAT HAS HAD COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE ENTITLEMENTS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN DEVELOPMENT OR THEY HAVE HAD LIMITED DEVELOPMENT BUT THAT HAS COME AND GONE BECAUSE OF THE MARKET IN THIS AREA. SO AGAIN, BACK IN 2014 AND '15, WE SAID, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO GO ALONE FOR A PROJECT THAT'S

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I TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF DENSITY.

IT WAS INTENDED BY YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALLOW A LOT OF DENSITY FOR THAT MIXTURE OF USES NEAR THIS INTERCHANGE OF I-95. AT THAT TIME THERE WAS SUCH A THING OF DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT AND FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY THE THRESHOLD WAS 1,000 UNITS. THIS PROPERTY HAS A MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION BUT IN ORDER TO AVOID PEOPLE THINKING THIS PROJECT WAS GOING TO DEVELOP TO 13 UNITS PER ACRE, PER RESIDENTIAL, WE PUT A TEXT AMENDMENT TO CAP THAT NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT 999, WHICH WAS BELOW THE DRI THRESHOLD, THEREFORE AVOIDING DRI REVIEW. RIGHT NOW THERE IS A TEXT AMENDMENT RECORDED AGAINST TITLE FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR 999 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE NOW THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A DRI UNDER FLORIDA LAW.

THEREFORE, THAT 999-UNIT THRESHOLD IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE. SO I TELL YOU THAT BACKGROUND AS A MATTER OF LAW. SO WE CAN EXPLAIN GOING FORWARD WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY.

SO AGAIN, GOING FORWARD THEN AFTER THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TEXT AMENDMENT OR CAP WAS PLACED ON, THE PROPERTY REZONED TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN 2015.

THAT PUD ORDINANCE RECORDED AGAINST TITLE TO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN BANNON LAKES SO EVERY LOT THAT'S SHOWN ON THIS MAP HAS THIS ORDINANCE RECORDED AGAINST TITLE TO IT.

AND THAT PUD SPECIFCALLY SAYS IN BLACK AND WHITE THAT MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS APARTMENTS, TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES ARE PERMITTED AS IS THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE PUD. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE GOING ON SIX YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO NOW. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR BANNON LAKES.

YOU SEE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT THROUGH HERE.

YOU SEE THE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S THE RECREATION AREA. THERE'S THE COUNTY PARCEL HERE.

AND THEN THERE IS A MULTI-USE PARCEL HERE.

AND WE WON'T GO INTO THE RATIONALE FOR ALL OF THAT.

THIS ST. JOHNS DRI USED TO HAVE DIFFERENT USES PERMITTED.

NOW IT HAS CONVERTED ITSELF TO MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL ON THAT AREA.

AND THIS PLAN IS KIND OF MORPHED ON THIS PROPERTY LINE TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT PROJECT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LINDSEY FOR A FEW MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT -- ACTUALLY, ONE MORE SLIDE. THE APPLICATION IS TO MODIFY THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT CAPS IT AT 999 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, TO INCREASE THAT BY 287 UNITS IN ORDER TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WITHIN THE PROJECT.

THERE ARE A FEW ADDITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY BUT THEY'RE PRIMARILY GOING TO BE MULTI-FAMILY.

THEY WILL FRONT ON INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

SO AGAIN, IN THIS AREA ON THE MAP, NOT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND BOUNDED BY THE ROADWAY NETWORK AND BUFFERED THEREFORE -- THERE FROM. AND SO THE DEVELOPER GOING INTO THE MITIGATION, THE DEVELOPER HAS A PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE AGREEMENT THAT IS IN EFFECT RIGHT NOW.

THEY ACTUALLY OVERMITIGATED TO THE TUNE OF MORE THAN $5 MILLION, WHICH EXCEEDED THEIR PROPORTIONATE SHARE BY APPROXIMATELY $1 MILLION. AND SO, THAT SEGMENT EXISTS TODAY TO MITIGATE FOR THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS EVEN FOR THESE ADDITIONAL UNITS. THEY ARE STILL GOING TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE WETLANDS. SO YOU SEE ON THIS MAP THE WETLAND PRESERVATION AREAS THAT -- AND THIS PROPERTY, BY THE WAY, IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE 12 MILES SWAMP. SO ALL OF THIS WILL STAY IN PRESERVATION. THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT WILL NOT CHANGE. THESE UNITS ARE BEING DEVELOPED WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT EXISTS TODAY FOR DEVELOPMENT.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LINDSEY NOW AND LET HER --

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>> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, COMMISIONERS.

I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH OUR FIRM.

THANK YOU, ELLEN, FOR THAT SETUP.

WE'RE HERE FOR THE TRANSMITTAL OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE LEVEL OF DOING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT THE PUD LEVEL. WE WANTED TO ADVANCE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS NOW AND WALK THROUGH THAT.

AND IT BEGINS WITH A TRAFFIC REDUCTION ANALYSIS FOCUSED ON PARCEL A. THAT'S WHERE THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WOULD BE ALLOTTED AND DESIGNED FOR AND WE WANT TO WALK THROUGH HOW THIS CHANGE REDUCES WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OR GENERATION FROM THAT PARCEL A, WHICH IS ALONG INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. THE TABLE THAT YOU SEE ABOVE YOU WORKS LIKE THIS. THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT SIDE GIVES THE TOTAL DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON NET NEW PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND GROSS PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

THE NEXT COLUMN RELATES WHAT IS THE EXISTING ALLOWABLE NON-RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCE FOR THAT PARCEL A AND TRIP ALLOTMENTS WITHIN THE NET NEW AND GROSS PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS.

AND WITH THE PROPOSED USE OF 280 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS ON PARCEL A WITH A COMBINATION OF LEFTOVER RETAIL PARCELS WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION OF VEHICLES PER HOUR HERE AS NET NEW AND GROSS PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. THAT'S JUST A TABLE BUT LET'S LOOK AT A MAP OF WHERE WE ARE. THIS IS PARCEL A AGAIN HERE, INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY, FOUR-LANE COLLECTOR ROADWAY.

THOSE ARE ALL KEY ELEMENTS. IT'S BORDERED ON ALL FOUR SIDES SEPARATED FROM OTHER AREAS AND INTENTIONAL IN A TRANSIION OF USES. AS ELLEN MENTIONED, MULTI-FAMILY HAS ALWAYS BEEN PERMITTED WITHIN THE PUD.

THOSE REGULATIONS STAY THE SAME WITHIN THE PUD AND YOU'LL SEE THAT COME FORWARD AND THOSE ARE THE SAME AREA HEIGHTENED REGULATIONS THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON THE SITE.

THE BLACK AND WHITE MAP DOESN'T DO US JUSTICE.

LET'S LOOK AT THE COLORIZED VERSION TO BRING TO LIFE WHAT THIS PROJECT IS. A MAJORITY OF THE SITE HERE IS DEVELOPED. WE HAVE FOLKS THAT LIVE WITHIN THE AREAS AND THESE UPPER PARCELS UNDER DEVELOP.

HERE IN THE CORNER WOULD BE THE MULTI-FAMILY PIECE AND YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE CORNERS RESERVED. ONE ACTIVE SITES FOR COMMERCIAL AND THEN OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ENTITLEMENT FOR THE SITE.

IF WE TAKE A PEEK IN, IT'S HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE. ELLEN MENTIONED THE ACCESS HAS BEEN MADE AND IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE SITE.

THOSE ARE TURN LANES JUST DIRECTLY OFF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY. WE SEE HOW WE CAN ACCESS INTO THE SITE AND SHARING ACCESS WITH OUR COMMERCIAL PARCELS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY PIECE. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS ADOPTED WITHIN THE PUD IS TO HAVE A 50-FOOT BUILDING SETBACK ALONG THE ROADWAY TO GIVE THAT DESIGN AESTHETIC TO THE PROPERTY AS IT DEVELOPS HERE AND THAT APPLIES TO THE MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL. THAT IS REMAINING INTACT.

SOME OF THE PATTERN ELEMENTS THAT I'VE WALKED US THROUGH, IT REALLY INDICATES WHY MULTI-FAMILY IS SEEKING TO DEVELOP ON THIS PARCEL. THE MAP THAT I SHOW HERE, THE LARGE CHUNK OF GREEN YOU SEE IS OUR 12-MILE SWAMP.

AND REALLY YOU HAVE ON THE EASTERN END THE BARBELL THAT IS A COMMERCIAL CENTER. AS WE MOVE WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AND EVEN FURTHER DOWN IGP OUT TO STATE ROAD 16.

YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR HOW THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND THEN AGAIN AS ELLEN MENTIONED, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

THERE ARE OTHER PARTNERS WE WANTED TO TAKE CARE TO SHOW HOW MULTI-FAMILY IS DEVELOPING IN SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTIES.

HERE IS THE EXAMPLE OF THE RESERVE AT NOCATEE.

FOLKS ARE LIVING THERE. FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE ON NOCATEE PARKWAY. VALLEY RIDGE DRIVE.

YOU GET TO SEE HOW THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES SERVICE TO TRANSITION FROM FOUR-LANE DIVIDED HIGHWAYS. AS YOU MOVE INTO TRANSITIONING DOWN INTO LESS DENSE PROPERTIES. I LIKE TO SHOW A SECOND EXAMPLE SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTY AGAIN FOR BEACH WALK.

YOU CAN TELL BY THE LAGOON ON THE AERIAL MAP.

THIS IS ABOUT 298 UNITS. YOU CAN SEE THE BRACKET OF

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>> I KNOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS AND I WANTED TO BACK UP TO A SLIDE.

THIS PROJECT HAS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND HERE'S THE AMENITIES CENTER FOR THE BULK OF THE PROJECT.

WE'LL SAY THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL.

IT HAS A BEAUTIFUL AMENITY CENTER AND THE DEVELOPER SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CONSTRUCTING IT.

THERE IS SOMEONE ON SITE HERE EVERY DAY, NOT T24 HOURS A DAY.

BUT THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION WITH THE RESIDENTS ABOUT PROVIDING GREATER CONTROL OVER ACCESS.

APPARENTLY, THERE IS SOME KIND OF AN APP YOU CAN LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING I-95 AS A PLACE TO BRING YOUR DOG TO A DOG PARK.

AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN UTILIZING SOME OF THE FACILITIES.

THE CDD IS TAKING ACTION TO PUT PASSKEYS AND PASS CODES AND THINGS TO SOLIDIFY THE SECURITY OF THAT AMENITY CENTER.

AS LINDSEY MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO, THIS PROJECT, THE MULTI-FAMILY WILL HAVE ITS OWN FIRST-CLASS AMENITIES.

IT WILL BE A MARKET RATE APARTMENT PROJECTS AND IT WILL HAVE ITS OWN AMENITIES AND NOT UTILIZE THE AMENITY CENTER UTILIZED BY THE RESIDENTS IN BANNON LAKES.

WITH THAT, WE WILL AWAIT PUBLIC COMMENT AND BE BACK TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. MCCORMACK, I HAD A VERY BRIEF -- I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS RAISING CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PROCEDURELY.

COULD YOU OR BRADLEY EXPLAIN TO US WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TRANSMITTAL PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO ADOPTION AND WALK US THROUGH THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE AUDIENCE?

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> SURE, MR. CHAIR.

BEFORE YOU TODAY IS NOT THE ULTIMATE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS CHANGE WOULD BE APPROVED. BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE DECISION OF WHETHER TO TRANSMIT THIS APPLICATION TO THE STATE FOR THE STATE'S REVIEW AND COMMENT IN WHICH CASE ANY COMMENT FROM THE STATE WOULD RETURN AND THE BOARD WOULD HEAR THIS FOR A SECOND TIME TO CONSIDER IT FOR ACTUAL APPROVAL.

THE OTHER MAJOR OPTION IS THAT THE BOARD DECIDES TODAY NOT TO TRANSMIT THE APPLICATION IN WHICH CASE THE APPLICATION WOULD DIE AT THAT POINT. SO, NO FINAL APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION TODAY. THE QUESTION IS TO EITHER TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE FOR THEIR REVIEW AND THEN SORT OF A SUBSEQUENT HEARING BY THE BOARD OR THE DECISION NOT TO TRANSMIT AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF THE STORY.

>> AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE A HEARING BY THE PZA AS WELL,

CORRECT? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE IN TO PUBLIC COMMENT

NOW. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 4. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE CALL-INS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE LIVE TESTIMONY.

SO IF YOU WOULD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE HAVE THREE MINUTES. SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.

THE FIRST CALL-IN.

DO WE HAVE A CALLER ON THE LINE? >> YES, SIR.

>> I'M HEARING SOMETHING FAINT. >> HELLO?

>> YES, CAN YOU SPEAK UP, NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, NOW.

YEAH, NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I HAD HOPED TO GO AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION BASED ON OUR

PROPERTY. >> WELL, WE'VE HAD THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. WE'RE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.

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HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

I'M SORRY. I'VE BEEN WATCHING AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT. MY NAME IS BILL COWELL.

I LIVE AT 132 YELLOW FINISH DRIVE.

THIS PROJECT, IT'S A -- AND I ALREADY TALKED TO MR. WHITEHURST ABOUT THIS. A BAIT AND SWITCH.

THIS IS WHAT DEVELOPERS DO. THEY SET THESE THINGS UP AND SAY THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE 999 HOUSES AND 120,000 SQUARE FOOT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, AND THEN PEOPLE BUY PROPERTY BASED ON THAT INFORMATION AND THEN AT THE END THEY DECIDE TO THROW THIS TYPE OF STUFF IN. FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT SHOWS JUST HOW MUCH THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

THEY WANT TO PUT A GAS STATION IN.

WE NEED A GAS STATION LIKE WE NEED A HOLE IN THE HEAD.

I MEAN, BUCCEE'S WAS ALREADY AN ASSAULT ON THE AREA.

WE HAD A SHELL AND GAS STATION ALREADY USED.

I'M ASSUMING COSTCO IS GOING TO HAVE SOME ALSO.

WE DON'T NEED A GAS STATION. WE DON'T NEED THESE APARTMENTS.

THIS AREA NEEDS RESTAURANTS AND OFFICE BUILDING.

AND WE JUST DO NOT NEED THIS. AND IT WILL ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR PROPERTY VALUE, THE TRAFFIC, EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHEN THEY'RE SAYING THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO DROP, I FIND THAT EXTREMELY HARD TO BELIEVE. AND TO SHOW THAT THEY HAD BEEN PLANNING THIS ALL ALONG, THEY DID PAY EXTRA MONEY FOR THE ROADS. THEY HAD BEEN PLANNING THIS ALL ALONG. THIS WAS, AS I SAID, A BAIT AND SWITCH FROM THE BEGINNING. AND I WOULD HAVE NEVER NOR A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN HERE, BOUGHT THESE HOUSES BECAUSE OF -- OR HAD WE KNOWN THAT THIS CHANGE WAS GOING TO GO ON.

THEY MENTIONED NOCATEE. NOCATEE AND BEBEACH WALK WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY HAD NO AMENITIES AS FAR AS A PUBLIX AND OTHER RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIX.

WE HAVE A COSTCO GOING IN. WE HAVE EVERYTHING WE NEED IN THAT. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE GAS STATIONS OR BUSINESSES LIKE THAT.

WE NEED RESTAURANTS, SMALL OFFICES AND RESIDENTIAL ITEMS THAT WILL HELP THE RESIDENTS, NOT MORE APARTMENTS AND TRYING TO ADD ANOTHER 266 ITEMS OR UNITS TO THE AREA.

IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT RIGHT. IT'S NOT WHAT WE PAID FOR.

AND FRANKLY, IT'S JUST -- SORRY, I'M GOING IN CIRCLES HERE, BUT IT ISN'T RIGHT TO SADDLE US WITH THIS.

AND ALSO, LET'S KEEP THIS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE STATE FOR COMMENT.

IT DOESN'T NEED TO GO TO THE STATE FOR COMMENT.

IT NEEDS TO STAY RIGHT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IT NEEDS TO DIE RIGHT HERE. THAT'S WHERE THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO STOP. IT'S BEEN SPRUNG ON US AT THE ELEVENTH HOUR AND IT'S NOT FAIR WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY REAL TIME TO

OPPOSE THESE ITEMS. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S THREE MINUTES. NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

NEXT CALL-IN. NEXT CALL-IN.

[BEEPING] >> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, ST. AUGUSTINE BEACH, FLORIDA.

COMMISIONERS, I URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS AND MOVE THIS TO THE STATE PROCESS. THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PROJECT.

I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY'VE ADDED MORE UNITS.

THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY DEMANDS. WE DEMAND MORE UNITS.

AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA TO PUT NICE APARTMENT HOMES IN AND MULTI-FAMILY HOMES IN BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF HOMES THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE BEFORE THEY PURCHASE A HOME.

SO I'M ALL FOR IT, 100% FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND AS FAR AS THIS WIDENING THE ROAD, I'M GLAD THEY WIDENED THE ROAD BEFORE. AND BY THE WAY, BANNON LAKES, IF I'M MISTAKEN, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE 9 MILE GANG WHERE THEY GO THE DEBT FORGIVENESS. THEY COULDN'T DO ENOUGH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FOR THE COUNTY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS IN ADDING EXTRAS, WHETHER IT'S PARKS OR PURCHASING LAND OR ANYTHING THAT THEY COULD DO BECAUSE THEY GOT A REALLY, REALLY BIG BONUS, IF IT'S THE SAME ONE. LET'S FACE IT.

ELLEN AVERY-SMITH WALKED TO THAT PODIUM AND GOT DEVELOPER DEBT FORGIVENESS OF $24 MILLION, IF THIS IS THE SAME PROJECT.

BUT I LOVE THE PROJECT. I LOVE THE MULTI-FAMILY.

MAYBE THE GENTLEMAN IS RIGHT, THEY DON'T NEED ANOTHER GAS

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I FEEL SORRY FOR THAT. COUNTY COMMISSION LET THEM DOWN.

I URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS TO MOVE THIS ON.

THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. ALL MULTI-FAMILIES.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, GIVE A GREEN LIGHT, MAKE AN EXPEDITED PERMIT, EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO. WE NEED RENTAL UNITS, WE HAVE AN OUT OF CONTROL RENTAL MARKET BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH APARTMENT HOMES. I WANT TO REMIND YOU WITH THIS ONE LAST THING, EVERYBODY DESERVES A BEAUTIFUL HOME.

WHETHER IT'S THE NURSES TAKING CARE OF THE FATHER RIGHT NOW OR THE LINE COOK WORKING HIS WAY THROUGH COLLEGE OR THE ROOKIE POLICE OFFICER DEPUTY OR ROOKIE TEACHER.

EVERYBODY DESERVES A NICE APARTMENT HOME AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA TO PUT APARTMENT HOMES IN.

PLEASE MOVE IT FORWARD, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO BRIEFLY PAUSE PUBLIC COMMENT. LEGAL.

>> YES, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO ADD A BIT OF INFORMATION TO HAVE THE PROCEDURAL ASPECT.

IF THE BOARD VOTES FOR IT, IT WOULD GO TO STATE FOR REVIEW AND COME BACK TO THE PZA AND THEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IF IT IS TRANSMITTED, IT GOES TO THE STATE. ONCE IT GOES TO THE PZA, THERE WOULD BE AN ACCOMPANYING MAJOR MODIFICATION TO THE PUD.

I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. THAT WOULD SORT OF BE TWO PARALLEL APPLICATIONS THAT THE PZA WOULD REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON AND THEN THOSE TWO WOULD GO BACK TO THE BOARD.

AND OF COURSE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASPECT WOULD HAVE TO BE DECIDED ON FIRST AND DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT, THEN THE MAJOR MOD. THAT IS IF IT IS TRANSMITTED

TODAY, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMACK.

BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. CALLER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

AND ADDRESS. >> YES, STEVE, 336 ASH BREEZE COVE. MY DISREGARD FOR THIS PROJECT IS FILLED WITH A LOT OF CONFUSION, LIKE THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE SAID, THAT WE WERE SOLD A BILL OF GOODS AND WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE ORIGINALLY INVESTED IN. THE TRAFFIC SITUATION THAT THEY SO FORTH WITH THEIR NUMBERS AND STUFF, BASED ON WHAT THEIR ADDITIONS ARE, NOT COMING IN TO ACCOUNT PEOPLE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY INVESTIGATING OR WRONG TURNS, OR THE COMMUNITIES NEXT TO US NOT EVEN FULLY BUILT OUT YET.

SO THAT TRAFFIC -- WE'RE NOT EVEN NEAR CAPACITY YET.

AND COMING IN, WHEN YOU GO DOWN FROM THE TWO LANES FROM THE ROAD, TWO LANES INTO OUR DEVELOPMENT, THEN IT GOES TO A SINGLE LANE. AND THERE'S ALMOST ACCIDENTS THERE ON A DAILY BASIS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE ENGINEERING IS. THE AMENITY CENTERS, I'VE SEEN THE SECURITY, SUPPOSEDLY THE BADGING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, TOTALLY WORTHLESS. THEY JUST REACH OVER AND COME IN. I SAW A SCHOOL BUS THERE ONE DAY. NO RESIDENT USING OUR FACILITIES. AS FAR AS THE GOLF CART COMMUNITY, WE HAVE NOWHERE TO GO.

IF THERE'S NO RETAIL OR RESTAURANTS OUT THERE.

I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB IN SELLING THE AREA. MAYBE THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM, THAT THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON THAT. THEN ADDING APARTMENTS.

WHICH GO TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN APARTMENT COMMUNITIES STILL FLOURISHING? YOU BRING IN CRIMES, REDUCED RATES.

IT WILL HURT OUR PROPERTY VALUES LONG TERM.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT CALL-IN PLEASE, NAME AND ADD

ADDRESS. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE, MA'AM.

>> MY NAME IS KIM. I LIVE IN BANNON LAKES.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD TODAY. WELCOME HOME COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

I OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION FOR THE APARTMENTS AND THE CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION IN PARCEL A.

ON AUGUST 5TH, 2020, THE BANNON LAKES COMMUNITY MET WITH THEN-COMMISSIONER JIMMY JOHNS AND DEVELOPER ART LANCASTER TO

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IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OUT OF RESIDENTS HAVE ADDRESSED THE OPPOSITION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

WE RECORDED THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING WHICH ARE ALSO PART OF YOUR INFORMATION PACKET. WE OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OF BANNON LAKES IN THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREA WILL NOT SUPPORT THE INCREASED DENSITY. IT WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON TRAFFIC, SCHOOLS, AND THE ENVIRONMENT, NOT TO MENTION THAT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND CONVENIENCE STORE GAS STATION ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING OR ADJACENT COMMUNITIES WHICH HAVE A TOWN CENTER CONCEPT.

WE WERE TOLD ON A PLANNED TOWN CENTER CONCEPT SIMILAR TO THAT OF NOCATEE. AFTER THE COMMUNITY MEETING THE DEVELOPER WITHDREW HIS APPLICATION TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH US, THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S IN PARAGRAPH 5 OF THE APPLICATION.

IN A DECEMBER 7TH, 2020 EMAIL. AND ALSO IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH MICHAEL ROBERSON ON NOVEMBER 25TH.

WHAT IT WAS REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO A DATE.

THAT MEETING NEVER TOOK PLACE. THE DEVELOPER HAS SINCE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITHOUT FIRST OBTAINING THE REQUIRED ZONING APPROVALS AND THIS IS CONCERNING TO US. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ANOTHER APPLICATION IN THE WORKS TO REDUCE THE LOT SIZES OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN STAGES 2 AND 3 IN BANNON LAKES FROM 43 FEET TO 40 FEET WHICH WILL FURTHER INCREASE POPULATION DENSITY.

MORE TRAFFIC, OVERCROWDED SCHOOLS, AND ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS. WE'VE ALREADY HEARD ALREADY ABOUT THE FACT THAT BUCCEE'S WILL HAVE 120 GAS PUMPS, COSTCO THERE HAVE 30. THAT'S 166 GAS PUMPS WITHIN A ONE-MILE RADIUS. A NUMBER OF MY NEIGHBORS WILL BE SPEAKING FURTHER IN MORE DETAIL ON THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS.

WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN PARCEL A.

>> MA'AM, THANK YOU. WE REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THIS APPLICATION AND RECOMMEND FURTHER DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE

DEVELOPER AND THE COMMUNITY. >> THANK YOU.

OKAY. I SEE ONE MORE CALL-IN AT LEAST, I THINK. [BEEPING]

>> NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> DAVID, A RESIDENT OF BANNON LAKES COMMUNITY AND IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR THIS ADDITIONAL CHANGE. I CHALLENGE AND QUESTION THE METHODOLOGY OF THE PLANNERS IN THEIR TRAFFIC LEVEL DESIGNATIONS WHERE IT WOULD REDUCE TRAFFIC AS A RESIDENT HERE, I DON'T SEE IT, NOT WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ENTITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY LANDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF 95. THAT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE EAST SIDE OF 95 WHERE WE LIVE. AS OTHERS HAVE STATED, WHEN WE PURCHASED IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE WENT IN WITH A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS TO OCCUR AND HOW THINGS WERE TO BE DEVELOPED. I UNDERSTAND IN LIFE THINGS CHANGE, THINGS HAPPEN. THIS IS A CHANGE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO HAPPEN. IT IS SOLELY OUTSIDE OF THE CONCEPT THAT WE BOUGHT IN TO. AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE ADDITION OF GAS STATIONS IS NOT NEEDED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR SCHOOLS. IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON COMMUNITY SERVICES SUCH AS POLICE AND FIRE, NOT TO MENTION TRAFFIC. I JUST WANT TO REGISTER MY OPPOSITION AND AGAIN STATE, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE DEVELOPER COMMITTED IN A SINCERE FASHION IT IS MEETING WITH RESIDENTS TO COMING BACK TO US AND SAYING, "HERE'S SOME CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO MAKE." WITH ALL SINCERITY AND ALL EMOTION, HE COMMITTED TO THIS AS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF ST. JOHNS

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AND HERE WE ARE TODAY WITHOUT THAT OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER INPUT.

SO WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU ASKING YOU TO DO YOUR JOB AND TO FOLLOWING THE NEEDS AND WANTS OF THE RESIDENTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANY FURTHER CALL-INS, IS THAT CORRECT? IF SOMEONE COULD GIVE NORTHEAST A SIGNAL FROM THE CONTROL ROOM. [BEEPING]

>> OKAY, THAT COMPLETES OUR CALL-INS.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO TURN TO PUBLIC COMMENT FROM HERE IN OUR AUDIENCE. SO PLEASE ADDRESS, COME TO THE PODIUM, NAME AND ADDRESS, THREE MINUTES.

AND TO MAKE THIS SORT OF SMOOTHER FOR EVERYONE AND TIMING-WISE, IF YOU FORM ONE OR TWO IN A QUEUE LINE SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING AS WE PROGRESS. YES, SIR.

>> YES, SIR, MY NAME IS MICHAEL SHELDON.

I AM A RESIDENT OF BANNON LAKES. I RISE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PROPOSAL BASICALLY BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL NOT REALLY CLEARLY STATED IN THIS TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

WE FIND THAT ANALYSIS TO BE SUSPECT.

IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMN 10 OF TABLE 2, YOU'LL FIND SOME OF THAT DATA COMES BACK FROM 2014. A LOT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU INCLUDE THE BANNON LAKES PHASE 2 AND 3, ST. MARKS COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL GROWTH OF CENTER PLACEWAY. THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL, THE INSTALLATION OF A CENTER ISLAND FROM PARKLAND TRAIL TO BANNON LAKES PRESENTS SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS AND YOU NOW HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS FOR SIX TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN LESS THAN .9 MILES JUST TO THE WEST OF US.

WE REALLY SERIOUSLY QUESTION THE VOLUME AND DIRECTION OF THE TRAFFIC STATED IN TABLE 6 AND 6A.

SINCE THAT BASIC INFORMATION IS FLAWED, WHEN YOU ADD ON TOP OF THAT THE ANALYSIS OF THE DEPARTMENT, BY DEFAULT THAT IS ALSO FLAWED. THE TRAFFIC REPORT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY OR THE PROPOSAL OR THE LOCAL STREETS, INCLUDING DURAN DRIVE, BANNON LAKES BOULEVARD AND PARKLAND. NOR DOES IT IMPACT THE CONSTRUCTION TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF DURAN DRIVE AND PARKLAND TRAIL. FINALLY, THE CALCULATIONS USED IN TABLES 3 AND 4 WILL SOMEWHAT COUNTERINTUITIVE.

THAT'S AN INCREASE MULTIPLE FACTOR OF 3.6.

YET WHEN WE LOOK AT TABLE 3 AND TABLE 4 ON THE DAILY TRIPS AND ON THE PEAK HOURS, YOU GO FROM 518 TO 1511.

THAT'S ONLY AN INCREASE OF 2.9. IF YOU GO FOR PEAK HOURS, IT WAS 49 TO 123. THAT'S ONLY A MULTIPLE FACTOR OF 2.6. IT MAKES LITTLE SENSE THAT A 280 COMMUNITY THAT WILL BE TARGETED AT TWO INCOME WORKERS WITH TWO CARS WILL HAVE LESS IMPACT ON TRAFFIC THAN TOWNHOUSES.

IN SUMMARY, THIS DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARD FOR A CONCLUSION THAT THE APARTMENT PROPOSAL WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE IGP TRAFFIC OR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY EAST OF I-95.

WE WILL SEE EXTENDED WAITS. WE WILL SEE TRAFFIC SNARLS.

AND IN THE FOUR-MILE RADIUS, WE'LL SEE MORE TRUCK PRESSURE FROM IGP GOING EAST TO U.S. 1. I RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISIONERS. MY NAME IS DAVID.

I'M A RESIDENT BOARD MEMBER OF ORCHARD COVE HOA.

THE MAJORITY OF BANNON LAKES HOMEOWNERS ROUGHLY 62.5% SIGNED A PETITION OPPOSING THE CHANGE TO BUILD THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS PERCENTAGE IS CONSERVATIVE, EXCUSE ME, AS THIS IS FROM A PETITION CIRCULATED IN JULY OF THIS YEAR AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN SINCE THEN. THE BANNON LAKES PUD WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED FOR A MAXIMUM OF 999 UNITS.

THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL FURTHER AFFECT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES I'M DISCUSSING HERE TODAY. ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS THE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING WATER IN FLORIDA.

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I THINK YOU SERVED AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO PARCEL A, DESPITE THE CIRCULATED DRAWINGS, CREATES A MASSIVE AND PERVIOUS SURFACE AREA OF NEARLY 17 ACRES.

THIS INCLUDES THE AREA NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, PARKING OF NEARLY 500 SPACES, THE CLUBHOUSE, THE POOL, THE RECREATION COURTS, AND DOES NOT ADDRESS WHERE THE RAIN WATER RUNOFF IS GOING. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR A LAKE ON THE 17 ACRES AS THE DRAWING IS PROPOSED.

STANDING WATER ISSUES ARE ALREADY A PROBLEM IN BANNON LAKES DUE TO THE SHALLOW LAYER OF TOPSOIL THAT SITS ON A COMPACTED SURFACE. SOME HOMEOWNERS HAVE INSTALLED FRENCH DRAINS AT THEIR OWN COSTS.

THEY INSTALLED DRAIN LINES WHICH THEY THEN BURIED TO ALLEVIATE THE STANDING WATER ISSUES. POLICY A.1.3.11 STATES, IN PART, WHEN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, REZONING, OR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS CONSIDERED, THE COUNTY SHALL ENSURE THE COMPATIBILITY OF ADJACENT AND SURROUNDING LAND USES. IT'S DEPENDENT ON NUMEROUS CHARACTERISTICS. I'M ONLY GOING TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THEM HERE AND IT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

THEY'RE NOT LIMITED TO THESE BUT THEY'RE NOISE, DRAINAGE, AQUIFER RECHARGE AND SURFACE WATER. SINCE THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE PROPOSED CHANGE, I ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO DENY THE AMENDMENT AS IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ST.

JOHNS COUNTY PLAN

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS MICHAEL WEST, 154 BRIDGE OAK LANE, RESIDENT AND BOARD MEMBER OF THE BRIDGE BAY AT BANNON ALEXIS -- LAKES.

I WISH TO ADDRESS SCHOOL POPULATION.

THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT PAGE 7, MITIGATION THROUGH SCHOOL CONCURRENCE REVIEW CANNOT BE OBTAINED UNTIL THE AMENDMENT IS ADOPTED. I WILL ARGUE THAT THIS ARGUMENT IS INSUFFICIENT USING FIGURES BASED ON DATA FROM THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY SCHOOLS AUGUST AND OCTOBER WORKSHOPS OF THIS YEAR.

THE THREE SCHOOLS SUPPORTS BANNON LAKES WILL BE AT OR OVER CAPACITY WITHIN A TWO TO THREE-YEAR PERIOD.

ADDING THE PROPOSED 287 SINGLE AND MULTI-FAMILY HOMES CAN ACCELERATE THIS TIMELINE. BASED ON A FORMULA USED BY THE ST. MARKS POND DEVELOPMENT FOR SCHOOL IMPACT, WE ESTIMATE TWO TO THREE HUNDRED ADDITIONAL STUDENTS JUST FROM THIS CHANGE.

FURTHERMORE, THE 280 MULTI-FAMILY HOMES ARE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON LAND ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SPACES AND NOT WITHIN THE BANNON LAKES CDD.

THEREFORE IN MY OPINION, NOT REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE DIRECTLY FOR ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE SCHOOL BURDENS, PLACING THESE BURDENS INSTEAD ON THE ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS.

FROM THE PLAN SECTION A. 1.15.2C STATES APPLICATION EVALUATIONS BASED ON IMPACTS TO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND SERVICES, I BELIEVE THIS REQUIREMENT HAS NOT BEEN MET WITH THE AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED AND THEREFORE REQUEST THE COMMISSIONERS REJECT THIS AMENDMENT AND ASK THE DEVELOPERS TO ADDRESS THE IMPACT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT COMPLETES THE -- I'M SORRY. I GOT MISGUIDED.

W WILL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'M SORRY, MA'AM. >> GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS SANDRA. I LIVE AT 244 LAKE BRIDGE ROAD IN BANNON LAKES. I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT PARCEL A UNDER DISCUSSION WAS REMOVED FROM THE CDD TAX OBLIGATION IN 2018 BECAUSE IT WAS TO BE NON-RESIDENTIAL AND PURELY COMMERCIAL.

THE NEW REQUEST IS FOR MOSTLY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL FOR LEASE. THE QUESTION HERE IS WILL PARCEL A USE OUR CDD'S WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IF SO, SHOULD THE OWNER OF THE APARTMENTS BE REQUIRED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CDD? ALSO, RESIDENTS FROM ANY

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ANYONE WHO COMES INTO OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ANY APARTMENTS, CAN ACCESS OUR FIELDS, BASKETBALL, TENNIS COURTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND DOG PARK.

AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF KEYING, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON ALL OF THESE FACILITIES, NOT JUST ON THE DOG PARK. AND I ALSO WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. THERE IS NOT SOMEONE ON SITE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SHE IS THERE FOR FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND MOSTLY STAYS IN HER OFFICE.

THIS PROPOSAL GOES COUNTER TO WHAT IS SEEN IN NUMEROUS SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES SUCH AS WORLD GOLF VILLAGE AND NOCATEE WHERE THEY HAVE TOWN CENTERS. THEY ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR A TOWN CENTER ON THIS PARCEL AND OUR SALES REPRESENTATIVES ALL TOLD US THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT. THIS ACTION DEPRIVES BANNON LAKES AND ADJACENT COMMUNITIES OF ITS TOWN CENTER CONCEPT.

THE PLAN STRUCTURE IS AN INCREASE IN DENSITY TO THE AREA AND THE BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE COMMUNITY AT ALL. THE NEW PLAN IS NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF BANNON LAKES AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THERE IS NO TRANSITION HERE TO THE REST OF BANNON LAKES, SUCH AS THE EXAMPLE WAS GIVEN TO YOU IN NOCATEE.

THESE APARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE RIGHT ON TOP OF US.

I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THE SJC LAND DOCUMENT SECTION A.1.3.11 SUGGESTS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. COMPATIBILITY REFERS TO THE SENSITIVITY OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS IN MAINTAINING THE CHARACTER OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT AND ENVIRONMENTS.

THESE INCLUDE TYPE OF USE, DENSITY, INTENSITY, HEIGHT, GENERAL APPEARANCE, AND AESTHETICS, TRAFFIC GENERATION, AND DRAINAGE. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER ALL OF THESE THINGS CAREFULLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. YES, SIR.

>> YES, GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S WILLIAM FISHER, EXCUSE ME, 10130 MCMAHON AVENUE IN FLAGLER ESTATES OUT IN THE COUNTRY.

NOW THIS COUNTY AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE TAXPAYERS HAVE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE'VE GOT TO OR IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE BROWARD AND DADE COUNTY. I-95 IS BUMPER TO BUMPER TRAFFIC. MY DAUGHTER GOES FOUR MILES TO HER JOB AND IT TAKES HER ALMOST ONE HOUR EVERY MORNING DUE TO TRAFFIC AND OVERPOPULATION. I WAS HESITANT ABOUT COMING UP AND SAYING THIS, BUT IN MY HEART I HAVE TO DO IT.

I LEFT SOUTH FLORIDA ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO TO COME TO ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND MY WIFE IS CONSIDERING GOING TO ALABAMA ON ACCOUNT OF THE POPULATION. WE GO TO CHURCH.

YOU CAN'T GET IN THE DOOR. WE USED TO BE VERY ACTIVE IN IT.

JUST GET A HANDLE ON THE DEVELOPMENT, PLEASE DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, FURTHER? YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD MORNING. KATHY ELLIOTT, 139 BLUE JACK LANE, BANNON LAKES. I WANTED TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PARCEL WE'RE TALKING OF.

>> CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE CLOSER, MA'AM?

I'M HAVING TROUBLE. >> BETTER? MY PROPERTY WILL BACK DIRECTLY UP TO THESE APARTMENTS.

I PURPOSELY CHOSE THE LOT THAT I DID BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT A TOWNHOUSE BEHIND ME, WHICH I COULD HAVE CHOSE IT AT THE TIME DESIGNATED AREA WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO.

THAT HAS NOW BEEN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

SO, MY CHOICE TO HAVE NOTHING BEHIND ME NOW IS GOING TO HAVE A THREE TO FOUR-STORY APARTMENTS BEHIND ME, WHICH HAS NO DSIGNATED REAL AREA BETWEEN THE TWO, A 20-FOOT SETBACK IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, COMBAT A THREE OR FOUR-STORY BUILDING. IN ADDITION, THE AREAS THAT THEY WERE SHOWING IN NOCATEE, WHICH ARE VERY NICE.

I'VE SEEN THEM MYSELF, BUT THEY DON'T DIRECTLY BACK UP TO

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ADDITIONALLY, THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE THERE, THE CRIME RATE THAT I AM CONCERNED WITH, WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMING IN, WILL ALSO BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> BJ KALADI, WEST CITY OF ST. AUGUSTINE.

FIRST OF ALL, I ONLY GOT PART OF THIS.

I'M ONLY ALLOWED AN HOUR AT THE LIBRARY.

IT'S A 3-2 VOTE TO MOVE IT ON TO YOU ALL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE TWO WERE NOT IN FAVOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THAT. I KNOW IT'S IN THE RECORD, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PUT IT OUT THERE FOR EVERYBODY TO HEAR.

AND I'M GLAD THAT THE PERSON GOT UP AND SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020 MEETING. THESE DEVELOPERS AND EVERYBODY AND LAWYERS NEVER GOT TOGETHER WITH THEM.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD NEIGHBOR. GOT TO GET TOGETHER, TALK THESE THINGS OUT BEFORE YOU BRING IT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AND I WANT TO SAY, A GAS STATION, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THESE GAS STATIONS? AND A CONVENIENCE STORE. WELL, THEY'LL BE CHARGING A LOT FOR A BANANA, BELIEVE ME. AND I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET SAID ENOUGH IN THIS MEETING, I THINK, I APPRECIATE EVERY ONE OF THESE RESIDENTS THAT GOT UP HERE AND SPOKE.

THEY'RE NOT LAWYERS OR DEVELOPERS, BUT THEY CARE ENOUGH TO DO THEIR OWN RESEARCH. THEY DON'T GET PAID FOR SITTING IN HERE EITHER. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP ON REMINDING EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS. AND THEY MADE A VERY GOOD CASE FOR YOU TO DENY MOVING THIS ALONG.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SITTING UP THERE, BUT IT ALL SOUNDED REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT AND THE REASON THAT THIS LAWYER AND THE TEAM SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO TO THE STATE.

THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE PZA, GET ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW, AND TALK WITH THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET UP HERE AND SAY THEY'RE NOT AFFECTED, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,. THEY WILL BE AFFECTED.

SO TO THIS MS. KIM, I DIDN'T GET HER LAST NAME, BUT SHE REALLY SAID WHAT NEEDED TO BE SAID. I DON'T THINK SHE'S A LAWYER.

SHE SHOULD BE AN ATTORNEY. THE WAY THAT SHE PRESENTED EVERYTHING UP HERE, DID YOU GET EVERYTHING SHE SAID? I MEAN, MAN. GUESS YOU DON'T WANT TO BE AN ATTORNEY. GOOD AND BAD.

LIKE IN ANY OTHER PROFESSION. SO I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN FOR HASTINGS, FLAGLER ESTATES. WE ARE OVERDEVELOPING.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE THE MONEY, BUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS GOING DOWN, DOWN, DOWN. SO I AGREE WITH ALL THESE GOOD PEOPLE. THIS SHOULD BE DENIED AND YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE ANSWERS BECAUSE IT HAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX WHY YOU CAN DENY IT.

LEGALLY YOU CAN DO IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT BEING SUED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

YES, SIR.

>> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS THANK YOU ALL FOR THE SERVICE YOU PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY. I WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY HOLIDAY, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.

NOW TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS AND

I'M NOT FAMILIAR. >> I'M SORRY.

DID WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS?

>> EXCUSE ME. JOHN, 1124 HAWK WATCH CIRCLE,

ST. AUGUSTINE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE AND I DON'T THINK HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN IN THE AREA, AN EVACUATION WAS NEEDED DUE TO A MAN-MADE EMERGENCY OR MOTHER NATURE'S EMERGENCY, HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED WITH THE TRAFFIC? WOULD WE SAFELY BE ABLE TO EVACUATE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED OR CONSIDERED. MAYBE IT SHOULD BE.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THE GAS STATIONS BEING BUILT OR PROPOSED TO BEING BUILT.

ME FOR ONE THINK THAT GAS STATIONS ARE A DYING DINOSAUR.

I THINK IN TEN YEARS, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, WITH ALL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING PRODUCED, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO

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SPEAK. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I BELIEVE THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED. THANK YOU MR. SMITH.

>> HELLO AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN. SINCE WE HAD A NUMBER OF PUBLIC COMMENTERS WHO RAISED SOME QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE, IF YOU DO NOT MIND. JUST TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, I'M ALSO GOING TO GET OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT TO COME UP HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT LET ME GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF FACTS JUST TO REITERATE IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. AGAIN, AS WE STARTED OUT TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY, IT HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH DOES ALLOW A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES TO A DENSITY OF 75% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.

THAT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AGAIN, THE REASON WE PUT LIMITED THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS WAS THE DRI THRESHOLD WHICH DOES NOT EXIST ANYMORE.

THAT WAS AN ARTIFICIAL CAP PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY WHICH COULD BE TODAY LEGALLY DEVELOPED WITH 13 UNITS PER DEVELOPABLE ACRE. WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON CHANGING THE DEVELOPMENT FOOTPRINT, IF YOU WILL, OF THE PROPERTY.

AND ALSO YOU'LL NOTICE ON THIS IS THE APPROVED MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PUD TODAY, RESIDENTIAL CAN BE ANYWHERE WITHIN THE PROPERTY, SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY.

AND GAS STATIONS CAN BE RIGHT HERE AS A MATTER OF RIGHT.

SO I JUST WANT TO -- AND ALL OF THIS AGAIN IS RECORDED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. THERE HAS BEEN A LONG HISTORY OF THIS DEVELOPER TRYING TO GET COMMERCIAL PUT IN THE PROPERTY OUT FRONT. THERE IS A WENDY'S.

IT HAS THE ONLY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME ALONG IN THE LAST SIX YEARS SINCE THEY'VE BEEN DEVELOPING.

AS NOTED IN THE PRESENTATION, THE COMMERCIAL NOTES HAVE DEVELOPED DOWN AT WORLD COMMERCE CENTER TO THE WEST AND PALENCIA TO THE EAST. THE DEVELOPERS EAST OF HERE HAVE HAD COMMERCIAL NOT DEVELOPED OR DEVELOPED AND VACANT OVER YEARS.

THERE ARE NO RESTAURANTS THERE BECAUSE THEY COME AND GO.

THE PUBLIX IN WORLD GOLF VILLAGE CAME AND WENT.

NOBODY CAN GET TRACTION IN THIS CORRIDOR FOR A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY NEEDS TO REMEMBER. IT'S NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING TO GET COMMERCIAL. AND HOPEFULLY WITH BRINGING MULTI-FAMILY -- AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE -- TO THIS CORRIDOR, YOU'LL STILL HAVE THE WENDY'S, COMMERCIAL HERE AND HERE AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE APARTMENTS WHICH WILL HAVE THEIR OWN AMENITIES AGAIN. THIS DURAN DRIVE, THERE WAS A LADY WHO MENTIONED BACKING UP TO THIS, THIS IS A COMMERCIALLY APPROVED POD NOW. AND DURAN DRIVE PROVIDES A BUFFER BETWEEN EITHER A COMMERCIAL OR A MULTI-FAMILY USE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

THERE IS NEVER BEEN A TOWN CENTER PER SE PLANNED LIKE PALENCIA OR NOCATEE. IT WAS SIMPLY THIS PARCEL DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL. I'LL HAVE JEFF COME UP IN A MINUTE BECAUSE A LOT OF RESIDENTS SEEM TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THIS PROPERTY HAS ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITS FOR STORM WATER SO IT HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN A LEGAL WAY. AS FAR AS THERE IS PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AVAILABLE THROUGH ST. JOHNS COUNTY UTILITY DEPARTMENT.

AND FOR SCHOOL CAPACITY, THERE ARE ABOUT 170 UNITS WITHIN THIS PROPERTY THAT ARE AGE-RESTRICTED.

THAT WAS NOT THE CASE WHEN WE FIRST GOT IN SCHOOL MITIGATION AGREEMENT PUT IN PLACE. ACTUALLY, THIS DEVELOPER HAS CREDIT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND I'M GOING TO SAY APPROXIMATELY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT FOR APPROXIMATELY 170 ADDITIONAL UNITS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DEVELOPED AGE-RESTRICTED, DEED-RESTRICTED UNITS WITHIN BANNON LAKES WHICH REQUIRE NO SCHOOL MITIGATION.

THE SCHOOL MITIGATION SHOULD TURN OUT TO BE ABOUT A WASH.

IF IT'S NOT, THEN THERE IS A LEGAL MECHANISM FOR PROVIDING

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JEFF AND HIS HOLIDAY TIE WILL TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC SINCE HE'S

OUR TRAFFIC EFFORT. >> GOOD MORNING.

SEVERAL POINTS. FOR THIS AMENDMENT, THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS PARCEL A.

RIGHT NOW YOU CAN PUT 120,000 OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON THAT.

BASED ON THE STANDARD PROCEDURES USED IN YOUR CONCURRENCY SYSTEM AND GENERATED NATIONALLY, THAT AMOUNT OF NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL GENERATE 712 GROSS TRIPS AND 377 NET NEW TRIPS. THE COMBINATION OF THE MULTI-FAMILY AND RETAIL ON THE REMAINING PARTS OF THE PROJECT OR PARTS OF PARCEL A WILL GENERATE 425 GROSS TRIPS USING THOSE SAME METHODOLOGIES AND 266 NET TRIPS.

SO EVERYTHING ELSE BEING EQUAL, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN RURAL COMMERCE WEST OF 95, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE ST. JOHNS DRI, THAT IF THE CHANGE GOES THROUGH AND IF THE MULTI-FAMILY GOES IN, THERE WILL BE LESS TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL. SO THINGS WITHIN OUR CONTROL, IF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT GOES THROUGH, THEN THERE IS THE POTENTIAL OF LESS TRAFFIC, NOT MORE.

AS FAR AS THE QUESTIONS ABOUT IF 20 UNITS GENERATE THIS MUCH TRAFFIC AND 60 UNITS DOESN'T GENERATE THREE TIMES AS MUCH, THE EQUATIONS USED ARE ALOGARITHMIC.

IF YOU'RE IN THE 10 TO 20 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL RANGE, THE TRIP GENERATION RATE OF THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 6.5 TO 7 TRIPS PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU GET UP IN THE 50 TO 70 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RANGE, THAT DROPS SIGNIFICANTLY TO THREE TO FOUR TRIPS PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. IT'S ALL PART OF THE METHODOLOGY REQUIRED TO BE USED BY THE COUNTY NO EVALUATING THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TRAFFIC, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER WALDRON. >> YEAH [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> THERE WOULD BE THIS APPLICATION IS FOR AN ADDITIONAL

287 UNITS. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> YES. AND SO -- SO SOME OF THEM -- IF YOU WILL -- ON THIS SCREEN, YOU SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PODS.

THIS IS THE COLORIZED MAP, BUT IT'S EASIER TO SEE ON THIS.

THE SINGLE FAMILY IS UP IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS THE -- >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADD 85 UNITS?

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL POD

THAT WOULD BE UP IN THIS AREA. >> I'M ASSUMING THAT

>> QUESTION. >> WELL, IT WOULD BE -- I GUESS

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. >> WELL, YOU ALREADY HAVE MAXED OUT 999 IN THE PICTURE YOU HAVE. YOU'RE GOING TO ADD 85 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS OF THAT 999. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BE ADDED

AND HOW? >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK ART IF HE KNOWS. I DID NOT -- I THOUGHT WE WERE ADDING MOSTLY MULTI-FAMILY AND NOT THAT MANY SINGLE-FAMILY.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. LET ME GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY

NOTES REAL QUICK. >> THANK YOU, COMMISIONER.

ART LANCASTER. WE ARE REQUESTING 287 UNITS.

THE TOTAL BREAKDOWN ON THAT IS 280 WOULD BE MULTI-FAMILY AND THE REMAINDER WOULD BE ASSORTED WITHIN THAT SITE MAP THAT YOU

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SEE, SO SEVEN ADDITIONAL. >> ACCORDING TO WHAT I'M READING YOU'RE ASKING FOR 200 ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY UNITS AND 75

ADDITIONAL MULTI-FAMILY. >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE NUM NUMBERS.

>> COULD WE GET GROWTH MANAGEMENT TO --

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I'M JUST READING WHAT'S IN

BLACK AND WHITE IN FRONT OF ME. >> I THINK THE CONFUSION IS THERE'S -- RIGHT NOW THERE IS A SPLIT OF MULTI-FAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN THE CURRENT PUD. AND SO WE'RE CONVERTING SOME OF

THOSE USES. >> YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE MULTI-FAMILY YOU HAVE FOR SINGLE FAMILY?

>> EXACTLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW ANYWHERE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL ELEMENT OF THE PROJECT ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK, WE COULD PUT MULTI-FAMILY.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS AROUND 180 SOME-ODD UNITS.

HOWEVER, WE BUILT IN THAT FRONT POD, WE DID AGE-RESTRICTED DUPLEXES SO THAT DREW THAT NUMBER DOWN.

>> OKAY. >> WE'RE GOING TO GO TO

COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST NOW. >> HI, I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. AND ONE OF THEM WAS, SO OF THE PROPOSED 287 NEW UNITS, HOW MANY WILL BE APARTMENTS?

>> WELL, ACCORDING TO WHAT MR. LANCASTER JUST SAID, 280.

>> SO 280 OF THE PROPOSED 287 ADDITIONAL WILL BE APARTMENTS?

>> CORRECT. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLEAR THAT UP. IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTIONS AS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. HOW DO WE GET TO THE PEAK HOUR TRIPS FOR COMMERCIAL? AND I KNOW THAT WE TOUCHED ON THAT JUST NOW, BUT HOW DID YOU GET TO THE PEAK NUMBER OF PM HOUR TRIPS FOR THE COMMERCIAL AND THEN FIND THE REDUCTION WITH ADDING 287 UNITS? I THINK EXPLAINING THAT MAYBE AGAIN OR IN DETAIL COULD BE HELPFUL.

>> OKAY. PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO SAY IT IS THAT TYPICALLY ONE ACRE OF DEVELOPMENT WILL ACCOMMODATE 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE.

AND IN THIS PUD, IT'LL ALSO ACCOMMODATE 13 UNITS.

10,000 SQUARE FEET OF NON-RESIDENTIAL SPACE WILL GENERATE ABOUT THREE, THREE AND A HALF TRIPS PER THOUSAND.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 35 TRIPS PER ACRE.

THE 13 NON-RESIDENTIAL UNITS WILL GENERATE ABOUT 10 TO 15 TRIPS PER ACRE. SO YOU'RE -- ON THE AREA THAT YOU'RE CONVERTING FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL REDUCTION OF 20 UNITS -- OR 20 TRIPS PER ACRE. THAT'S HOW WHEN YOU CHANGE FROM NON-RESIDENTIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THE TRAFFIC WILL GO DOWN.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AND ONCE AGAIN. ANOTHER QUESTION RAISED BUT ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IS THE DRAINAGE PLAN.

AND ARE THEIR CDD FEES PAYING FOR THE DRAINAGE ALREADY INSTALLED FOR THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX? WILL THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX BE PAYING FOR THEIR OWN INFRASTRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE? > SO JUST AS A MATTER -- THE DRAINAGE AS FAR -- THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THE DEVELOPED PORTION OF BANNON LAKES WAS FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER OR THE CDD.

AND THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THIS AREA WILL DEVELOP ITSELF AND WILL CERTAINLY, JUST TO -- AND THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO A ST. JOHNS RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT FOR STORM WATER. THAT IS AN APPROVED SYSTEM THAT DRAINS THIS ENTIRE PROJECT. IT'S ALREADY APPROVED.

AND THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS EITHER IN PLACE OR WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THAT PERMIT.

SO WHO PAYS FOR THAT I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IT WILL BE FUNDED BY WHOEVER CONSTRUCTS THAT PROPERTY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT.

>> SO NOT NECESSARILY BY THE CDD AND THE CURRENT RESIDENTS OF BANNON LAKES OR IS IT POSSIBLE THEY WOULD IN PART PAY FOR THE

DRAINAGE? >> I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THE

CDD. >> YES, MA'AM, I UNDERSTAND.

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>> ART LANCASTER WITH EASTLAND. THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE BORNE BY THE CDD THROUGH IMPROVEMENTS THEY DID TO ROADWAY SYSTEMS AND THE INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITIES TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN.

IT'S ONE MASTER DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WAS DESIGNED AND PERMITTED BACK IN 2015. SO THE COMMUNITY HAS DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THAT PERMIT. THERE'S MODIFICATIONS AS SIZES CHANGE, BUT THE OVERALL INTEGRITY OF THE PERMIT STAYS THE SAME AND IS MANAGED AND APPLIED TO BY THE ST. JOHNS BOARD OF MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THERE ARE PONDS FUNDING THROUGH THE CDD HAPPENED, BUT THAT WAS FOR MASTER STORM WATER OFF OF ROADS SUCH AS IGP. AND BANNON LAKES BOULEVARD, WHICH ARE NOW PUBLIC ROADS AND OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE

COUNTY. >> VERY GOOD.

AND MY LAST QUESTION CONCERNS THE AMENITY CENTER.

I SPOKE WITH A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED.

AND I REALIZE THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING A CLUBHOUSE HERE, WHICH LOOKS GREAT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS, AS YOU'VE HEARD TODAY AND DURING THE PZA MEETING ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX RESIDENTS COULD HAVE ON THEIR BEAUTIFUL AMENITY CENTER. SO CAN YOU ADDRESS WHAT MEASURES ARE BEING TAKEN TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OVERLAP?

>> SURE, THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT CAN BE MITIGATED.

THE FIRST IS ON THE APARTMENT COMMUNITY ITSELF, IT WILL BE GATED AND FULLY AMENTIZED. AND APARTMENTS OF THIS LEVEL ARE HIGHLY AMENTIZED WITH VERY SIMILAR AMENITIES TO THE ACTUAL COMMUNITY ITSELF, NOT ON THE SCALE BUT THE SAME TYPE WITH OPEN SPACE, DOG PARKS, AND RECREATION WITHIN THEIR OWN BOUNDARY. THE SECOND, THE ACCESS OF THE BANNON LAKES AMENITY CENTER IS MANAGED AND CONTROLLED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT HAS A BOARD. THAT BOARD'S MADE UP OF THE DEVELOPER, BUILDERSES -- BUILDERS THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY AND RESIDENTS. THEY ADDRESS ASIDE AND SEPARATE WITHIN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION, I SHOULD SAY.

AND THEY ARE -- HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THOSE ISSUES AND ARE WORKING TOWARDS SOLUTIONS TO MANAGING ACCESS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY QUESTION IS FOR MR. [INDISCERNIBLE]. IF YOU COULD ANSWER A COUPLE OF THEM [INDISCERNIBLE]. GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

YES, SIR. >> ON PAGE 7 OF THE NARRATIVE WRITTEN BY STAFF, THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES IN TRANSPORTATION.

CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHERE THESE ARE?

>> YES. FOR THE RECORD, MR. WANG.

THE DEFICIENCIES IS ALONG INTERNATIONAL GOLF PARKWAY.

THE ONLY SEGMENT THAT IS NOT DEFICIENT IS FROM EAST OF I-95 TO NORTH FRANCIS ROAD. THAT IS BASED ON TOTAL COMMITTED TRIPS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CONDUCT COUNTS, TRAFFIC COUNTS ON ANNUAL BASIS AND THEN BASED ON A CONCURRENCY PROGRAM, WE ADDED APPROVED OF VESTED TRIPS TO MEASURE CONCURRENCY LEVEL.

WITHOUT THE VESTED TRIPS, IF JUST BASED ON EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUME, THERE'S NO DEFICIENCY ON IGP.

>> OKAY, VERY GOOD. THAT'S SIMPLE ENOUGH.

ALSO, WHERE DO WE STAND IN REGARDS TO PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IN REGARDS TO THIS PROJECT?

>> I'M SORRY. >> PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

WHERE DO WE STAND ON IT IN REGARD TO THIS PROJECT?

>> BASED ON THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT OF BANNON LAKES, THEY HAVE MITIGATED -- BASICALLY, THEIR PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 4.8 MILLION.

THEY PROVIDED THE IMPROVEMENTS TO IGP EXPANSION TO FOUR LANES AND INCLUDED ALSO RIGHT-OF-WAY DONATION TOTALLING ABOUT 5.3 MILLION. NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK ADDING ANOTHER 287 UNITS. THAT PROP SHARE WE MEASURE, WE

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SO THEY STILL HAVE A SURPLUS OF ADDITIONAL CREDIT OF ABOUT 524,000. SO THEY HAVE EXCEEDED THE REQUIRED MITIGATION EVEN IF WE REQUIRE THEM AND WE DO REQUIRE THEM TO MITIGATE FOR THE 287. SO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE CREDIT ON HAND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

LEGAL. >> YES, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

FIRST, JUST ONE CLARIFICATION. THE ASPECT OF THE GAS STATION IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE BOARD'S DECISION TODAY.

THE APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT GO TO THE QUESTION OF THE GAS STATION.

THAT WOULD BE, IF DONE, WOULD BE DONE SEPARATELY UNDER A PUD, MAJOR MODIFICATION TO A PUD. MS. SMITH, COULD YOU VERIFY THE GAS STATION IS NOT DEPEND ON THE APPLICATION TODAY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE GAS STATION IS ALREADY INCLUDED WITHIN THE 120,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE APPROVED IN THE CURRENT TEXT AMENDMENT AND ALLOWED IN

THE CURRENT PUD. >> IN OTHER WORDS, I DID WANT TO CLARIFY IT WASN'T DEPENDENT ON -- THE GAS STATION ITSELF IS -- THE GAS STATION USE IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE BOARD'S DECISION TODAY. NUMBER TWO, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT QUESTION OF THE CDD CHANGE BACK IN 2018.

AND I HAD HIM LOOK THAT UP. WE DID NOT SEE ANY INDICATION THAT THAT CDD CHANGE REMOVING THIS SUBJECT PARCEL WOULD PROHIBIT RESIDENTIAL USE OR THAT TYPE OF THING.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE.

AND I WOULD LIKE YOU JUST TO READ AND THEN I'LL PROBABLY HAVE JUST A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT IT.

>> AND MR. CHAIRMAN, BRADLEY WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AT THE TIME OF THE CONTRACTION OF THE CDD BACK IN 2018, THE PETITION HAD TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT AS TO WHETHER THAT LAND THAT WAS BEING EXCLUDED WAS BEING SERVED BY ANY SERVICES OR FACILITIES PROVIDED BY THE CDD.

AND THEY DID MAKE THE REPRESENTATION AT THE TIME THAT THE DISTRICT CURRENTLY RENDERS NO SERVICES OR FACILITIES TO THE CONTRACTION PARCEL, WHICH WOULD BE THE PARCEL WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY, WHICH WAS -- AND THEN THE BOARD DID GRANT THAT ETITION AND THEN EXCLUDE THIS PARCEL FROM THE CDD.

MS. AVERY-SMITH OR MR. LANCASTER MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT THAT. ACTUALLY, THAT PETITION WAS FILED BY SOMEBODY WITH HOPPING GREEN & SAMS, MR. HABER.

HE MAY HAVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THAT IF HE'S STILL AVAILABLE AS

WELL. >> YEAH, MR. JOHNSON HERE TODAY.

I GUESS WHAT THE QUESTION IS, RIGHT, THE PETITION HAD SAID AT LEAST AT THAT TIME THE CDD PROPERTY WAS NOT PROVIDING CDD SERVICES TO THAT SUBJECT PARCEL. IT SAID AT THAT TIME, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> IT SAID CURRENTLY.

>> CURRENTLY. JUST AS A CLARIFICATION --

>> I'M SORRY. I AM NOT THE CDD COUNSEL FOR BANNON LAKES BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT CDDS.

I'LL LET MR. LANCASTER TALK TO YOU.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I THOUGHT I HEARD TESTIMONY ABOUT YOU THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WOULD BE SORT OF PARTICIPATING IN SOME OF THE DRAINAGE OF THE CDD DRAINAGE SYSTEM, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> NO, THAT WAS THE ROADS WHICH

ARE NOW PUBLIC. >> OKAY.

>> THE CDD, AS FAR AS PARTICIPATION GOES, THAT TRACT A WAS PULLED OUT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE ONGOING ENJOYMENT OF THE CDD, BEING AMENITIES, MAINTENANCE OF BANNON LAKES BOULEVARD TO THE BACK. IT DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

SO WITHIN THAT PARCEL C, BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND THE APARTMENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR OWN ENTITIES, MAINTENANCE OF THEIR OWN LANDSCAPING, AND WOULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN WHAT THE ONGOING IMPROVEMENTS AND PARTICIPATION OF THE CDD. SO THERE'S NO OVERLAP.

IT STANDS ALONE. >> RIGHT, BUT IT WOULD NOT -- WOULD IT FEED IN TO THE CDD DRAINAGE FACILITY, FOR EXAMPLE?

I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION. >> YES AND NO BECAUSE ALL OF

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AND THE REMAINING LAKES ARE ALL WITHIN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PARCELS. SO THERE'S REALLY NO DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE AN OVERLAP AND THEY HAVE GRANTING EASEMENTS BACK AND FOTH BETWEEN THE TWO. SO MOST OF THAT TYPE OF TITLE WORK IS HANDLED THROUGH CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS, BOTH WITH THE DISTRICT, CDD, AND HOAS.

>> THANK YOU, I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFIED FOR THE BOARD.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> I THINK IT'S ANSWERED.

I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, BUT IT'S FINE.

>> ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. SO I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT

MR. LANCASTER TO -- >> I DON'T KNOW.

HE BETTER STICK AROUND BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT

THE OPERATION OF HIS CDD. >> I WANT TO SEE IF YOU CAN ENLIGHTEN ME BRIEFLY. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING AFTER THE SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020 BCC MEETING.

BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS, THAT MEETING DID NOT OCCUR.

CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THAT OR SOME

BACKGROUND? >> SURE.

AFTER THE INITIAL PZA MEETING, THE RESIDENTS HAD ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH COMMISIONER JOHNS. AND I BELIEVE A COUPLE DAYS RIGHT BEFOREHAND, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS COMMISSIONER JOHNS OR A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD OF OPPOSITION CONTACTED ME AND ASKED ME IF I WOULD ATTEND THAT AS WELL.

THE MEETING WAS REALLY SET UP TO JUST BE VOCAL IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING LETTING COMMISSION JOHNSON KNOW THAT.

BUT IT DID GIVE ME A FORUM AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAD. AND YOU'VE HEARD THOSE SAME ISSUES TODAY: TRAFFIC, WHICH IS MITIGATED, SCHOOL WHICH IS MITIGATED, ACCESS. AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIG ONE BECAUSE THERE'S TWO ROLES THAT I PLAY.

ONE AS DEVELOPER BUT THE OTHER AN CHAIRMAN OF THE CDD.

AND I THINK IT HAD BEEN EXPLAINED THAT WE HAVE A FULL-TIME CDD STAFF MEMBER. ONE THAT'S THERE FIVE DAYS BUT FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT THAT IS ON SITE AT OUR AMENITY CENTER.

AND THAT PERSON IS THE LIAISON FOR ANY ISSUES AND NOT JUST ISSUES BUT THERE FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.

WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY, WORKS FOR THE CDD BOARD.

THAT IS HOW WE COMMUNICATE. WE ALSO MAINTAIN A WEBSITE.

AS WE DEVELOPED THIS PROCESS OF SITE PLANNING AND WHATNOT, WE'VE PROVIDED THOSE TOOLS TO BE PUT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE. WE HAVE A COMMUNICATION PROCESS THAT CAN BE USED THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.

BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, ANY MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND THIS BOARD HAS ACCESS DIRECTLY TO US. I'VE HAD COMMUNICATION VIA EMAIL WITH THEM. AND SO THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ACCESS ISSUE TO US. WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE.

BUT THE ONE THING THAT I FOUND STRIKING IS WE JUST RECENTLY THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER HAD A CDD BOARD MEETING.

THE CDD IS THE PUBLIC ENTITY THAT OPERATES AND RUNS THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS WHERE IT'S PUBLICLY NOTICED AND THAT GIVES THE RESIDENTS OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND COMMUNICATE AND TALK ABOUT WHERE AND HOW THEY WANT TO SEE THEIR SUBDIVISION PROGRESS AS IT GROWS.

WE HAD THAT MEETING IN NOVEMBER. AND I BELIEVE TO RECORD, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS REGARDING ACCESS ISSUES.

BUT PERSONALLY, AS THE DEVELOPER, I TOOK THAT ISSUE TO THE CDD BOARD AND SAID, "THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS."

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THERE WERE RESIDENTS THAT WERE AT THAT MEETING.

AND THERE'S MINUTES, [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR BECAUSE I MAY HAVE ASKED A QUESTION. IN OUR DOCUMENTS PROVIDED THERE'S A STATEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SUMMARY.

APPLICANT REQUESTED A CONTINUOUS FOR ITEMS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2020 FOR A DATE UNCERTAIN SO ALLOW OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS FOR PROPOSED CHANGES.

THAT MEETING DID NOT TAKE PLACE. >> THERE WAS NOT A PHYSICAL MEETING ON SITE. HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATION WITH HOMEOWNERS OUT THERE.

>> IS THIS STATEMENT ACCURATE AS FAR AS THE SEPTEMBER 1ST

MEETING? >> THE STATEMENT THAT YOU'RE READING I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. IS THAT AN APPLICATION STATEMENT

OR -- >> OKAY.

CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION FROM -- >> I KNOW WHERE IT'S FROM.

I THINK IT'S FROM -- THOSE ARE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MEETING THAT HE ATTENDED WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNS AND THEY WERE PROVIDED BY THE RESIDENTS AND NOT PROVIDED BY HIS CDD OR OUR

GROUP, THAT I UNDERSTAND. >> I THINK THAT -- WHAT YOU'RE QUOTING, IS THAT FROM AN APPLICATION FOR WHEN THERE WAS A

CONTINUANCE. >> OUR PRINTED AGENDA MATERIALS.

>> RIGHT. I BELIEVE WE JUST ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE IN GENERAL THAT WE NEEDED TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE ISSUE WITH THE RESIDENTS. WE HAD NEVER SAID A SPECIFIC MEETING, JUST OPEN COMMUNICATION.

>> THE REASON I'M ASKING IS I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THIS IS IN OUR PUBLIC DOCUMENTS. IT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES THE AGENDA ITEM WAS PULLED SO THERE COULD BE A PUBLIC MEETING.

WE'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT AND SAY, "HEY, IT NEVER HAPPENED." I'M REVIEWING IT.

IT'S RIGHT HERE. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT -- CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION?

>> I'M NOT SURE I CAN PROVIDE THE CLARIFICATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. THE STAFF REPORT IS WHERE THAT SENTENCE IS THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE READING FROM.

AND IT DOES SAY THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CONTINUANCE OF THE ITEM AND THEN IN ORDER TO ALLOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS WITH RESIDENTS FOR PROPOSED CHANGES.

I DON'T NECESSARILY SAYS THERE WOULD BE A MEETING THAT WOULD OCCUR. IT JUST SAYS, "TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS." AND HE SAYS HE CONTINUED THOSE

DISCUSSIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> WHAT WAS IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE IS A RECORD THAT WAS DICTATED BY SOMEONE ELSE AND I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN RECORD, IT IS THERE AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN ACTUAL COMMITMENT OR TIMEFRAME

ON DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> SURE, I UNDERSTAND.

I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, IF I COULD.

SO I JUST WANTED SOME CAN -- CLARIFICATION.

AND I UNDERSTAND THIS COMES UP QUITE A BIT BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE NOTED WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOMESITE THEY WERE TOLD BY SALESPEOPLE THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT MAKEUP TO THIS PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND APPLICANTS CAN COME AND REQUEST MODIFICATIONS AND CHANGES AS YOU'RE DOING HERE. BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO ADDRESS. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT OR RESPOND

TO THAT? >> SURE.

AND EASTLAND STANDS AS THE MASTER DEVELOPER TO THE COMMUNITY. WE PUT IN THE MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE. AS THE PROJECT HAS TRANSFORMED, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL DEVELOPERS TO THE PROJECT.

MOST OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HAS BEEN DONE BY INDIVIDUAL NATIONAL BUILDERS. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR BUILDERS, LENNAR, KB HOMES, WHAT THEY PUT IN FRONT OF THEIR RESIDENTS OTHER THAN THE SITE PLANS WE DEVELOP AND GIVE TO THEM FROM THE MASTER LEVEL AND ANY OF THOSE SITE PLANS WE PROVIDE TO THEM ARE WHAT ELLEN HAS SHARED TODAY. SO FROM DAY ONE, OUR FIRST MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO THE AMENDMENTS WE'VE DONE BETWEEN 2015 AND NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.

WE ADDED MULTI-FAMILY TO THE PULTE PROJECT.

I BELIEVE PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR INTO THE PROJECT.

SO THOSE MAPS ARE UPDATED AND PROVIDED.

BUT BEYOND THAT, THAT'S ALL WE PROVIDE.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I PUT THIS SLIDE UP HERE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE FOR THIS PUD, WHICH IS RECORDED IN TITLE TO THE LOTS IN BANNON LAKES, INCLUDES MULTI-FAMILY

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PROPERTIES. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. LANCASTER. MR. WALDRON.

>> CAN YOU SHOW ME THE BOUNDARY OF THE CDD?

>> THE BOUNDARY IS EVERYTHING IN THAT YELLOW MINUS THE TRACT A.

>> I'M JUST CONFUSED ON THE STATEMENT --

>> THERE'S A PUBLIC -- THERE'S TWO PUBLIC ROADS THAT BIFURCATE THE TRACT A, BANNON LAKES BOULEVARD GOING IN AND PARKLAND TRAIL COMES BACK OUT TO IGP. SO IT'S ISOLATED ON ALL FOUR

SIDES BY PUBLIC ROADS. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHEN YOU SAID THAT HOAS WOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF THAT CDD?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE TO THE ROAD ON THEIR OWN TRACTS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IS THE CONCERN THAT'S CAME UP?

>> WELL, THE DRAINAGE IS -- IT RUNS THROUGH EXISTING BUT IT'S PASSED THROUGH. ALL THOSE LAKES ARE CONNECTED.

> BUT THE CDD IS TAKING CARE OF MAINTENANCE OF THE LAKE.

>> NO, ONLY AROUND THEIR AMENITY CENTERS AND THE ENTRY ON THE LEFT SIDE AGAINST THE SINGLE FAMILY.

>> SO WHEN YOU GO NORTH AND YOU BUILD ANOTHER SUBDIVISION AND LAKES ARE PUT IN, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED BY AN HOA EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE WITHIN THE CDD BOUNDARIES?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY, IT'S BACK TO THE BOARD. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> I AM READY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I WANT TO EXPLAIN MYSELF AND MY THOUGHT PROCESS. I MET WITH THIS COMMUNITY AT ONE OF THE RESIDENT'S HOMES. AND I'VE READ EVERY LINE AND EVERY WORD OF EVERY EMAIL. AND I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE RESIDENTS OF BANNON LAKES. YOU HAVE PRESENTED YOUR OBJECTIONS IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS SMART AND HELPFUL.

AND BELIEVE ME, I HAVE STUDIED EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO ME AND I'M SURE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE DONE THE SAME. I AM ALSO AWARE OF THE CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT COMMERCE IS DONE. INVITING RETAIL BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES INTO YOUR COMMUNITY EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO HAS SIMPLY CHANGED. MORE PEOPLE DO BUSINESS ON ECOMMERCE. IF YOU EVER MET A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER TRYING TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF THE LAND OWNER TO TRY AND CHANGE THE USE OF THE COMMUNITY TOWARDS MULTI MULTI MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. YOU'VE HEARD ME ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE SCHOOLS.

YOU'VE GOT SOME WHAT I THINK ARE GOOD ANSWERS TO THE AMENITY CENTER. SO THAT HAS ALL INFORMED MY OPINION ON THIS PROJECT AND WILL INFORM THE WAY I DECIDE ON MAKING THIS MOTION. SO I AM GOING TO MOTION TO APPROVE THE TRANSMITTAL OF COMP AMENDMENT 2020-03 BANNON LAKES

BASED ON FOUR FINDINGS OF FACT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

PASSES 3-2, CONGRATULATIONS. ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE'LL MOVE TO

[5. Public Hearing * CDD 2020-03 Petition to Establish the Premium Pointe CDD.]

AND WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.

>> I HAVE NONE TO REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN.

>> NONE. >> OKAY.

I HAVE NONE TO REPORT EITHER. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST.

>> NONE, MR. CHAIR. >> NON-MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU. AND WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. JOHNSON.

WELCOME.

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>> THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AGAIN. JONATHAN JOHNSON WITH HOPPING GREEN & SAMS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

THIS ITEM IS A PETITION TO CREATE AND ESTABLISH THE PREMIUM POINTE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THEN WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PETITION AND ANALYSIS AND LEAD TO WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE YOUR CONCLUSIONS TODAY.

THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING IS TO CONSIDER THE PETITION THAT WE FILED PRIOR TO GETTING TO TODAY'S HEARING.

I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT THE REQUISITE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICES HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE ST. AUGUSTINE RECORD AND PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY STAFF. OUR GOAL IS AN OVERVIEW OF TWO REQUESTS, THAT YOU ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AND CONSENT TO OUR EXERCISE OF CERTAIN RECREATION AND AMENITY POWERS WHICH REFLECT THE COSTS INCLUDED IN THE PET PETITION ITSELF. WE'LL GO THROUGH A FEW OF THE MAPS AND INFORMATION AND ULTIMATELY GET TO A CONCLUSION.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOVERNED BY CHAPTER 190 AND PART 5 OF YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. A CDD IS A SPECIAL PURPOSE UNIT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROVIDING LONG-TERM OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS CAPITAL FINANCING SERVICES TO THE LANDS THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE CDD.

NOTHING ABOUT YOUR ACTION THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING TODAY WOULD IN ANY WAY ALTER ST. JOHNS COUNTY ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

THAT STAYS WITH YOU. IT'S GOOD TO REMEMBER THAT NOTHING ABOUT THE CREATION OF A CDD WILL ALTER YOUR COMP PLAN, ZONING, OR ENTITLEMENTS OR PERMISSIONS BY THE COUNTY.

HERE'S A LOCATION MAP THAT SHOWS GENERALLY WHERE THE DISTRICT IS LOCATED. IT'S, AS NOTED, SOUTH AND WEST OF STATE ROAD 16 NORTH OF COUNTY ROAD 208.

NOW IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR BRIEFING MATERIALS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU, THAT WILL SAY 150.74. BETWEEN THE TIME THAT THOSE WERE PREPARED AND TODAY'S HEARING, WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY STAFF TO PULL OUT A PORTION OF TOMS ROAD INCLUDED IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THE DISTRICT DOES NOT INTEND TO HAVE A ROLE IN THAT, SO WE DID ACCOMMODATE THE REQUEST.

THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE IS CORRECT AND SAYS 150.1. IF YOU'RE FLIPPING PAGES AND SEE THE DISPARATE NUMBER, I WANTED TO NOTE THAT IS THE SOURCE OF THAT CHANGE. HERE IS AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING IN BLACK THE BOUNDARY OF THE DISTRICT.

AND YOU WILL SEE ON THAT MAP DOWN AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS WHERE THE TOMS ROAD SEGMENT IS NO LONGER INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT OUTLINE. HERE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THAT IS ONE OF THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS OF THE PETITION TO SHOW THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY AND THAT IS ALL AS EVIDENCED IN THE TESTIMONY THAT'S TRUE AND CORRECT. ALSO SHOWS THE ZONING AS A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING. SO THIS DISTRICT, THE REQUEST IS MADE TO CREATE FOR CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ITEMIZED IN THE PETITION. THOSE INCLUDE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS ROADWAYS, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, WET UTILITIS, WATER, SEWER AND SO FORTH DEDICATED TO THE UTILITY PROVIDER, CERTAIN HORIZONTAL AMENITIES AND UNDERGROUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.

ALL OF THOSE ARE TYPICAL CDD ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENTS CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 190. THE ESTIMATED COST IS JUST OVER $12 MILLION IN TOTAL BUT YOUR BACKGROUND MATERIALS PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN ON THAT. AS NOTED IN THE PETITION AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S HERE IN THE RECORD AS WELL THAT THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT YOUR GRANTING OF OUR PETITION WHICH OBLIGATES ST.

JOHNS COUNTY TO ACCEPT ANY PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENTS THE AND FACILITIES. THAT WOULD ALL BE DONE IN EXTENT TO A ROADWAY OTHERWISE DEDICATED.

THAT WOULD BE A SUBSEQUENT ACTION AND NOTHING ABOUT YOUR ACTION TODAY THAT BINDS YOU TO MAKE A PARTICULAR DECISION.

SO THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED INCLUDING THE PETITION AND THE PREFILED TESTIMONY OF TE THREE WITNESSES WITH EXHIBITS ARE INTENDED TO HELP YOU ANALYZE THE SIX FACTORS IN CHAPTER 190 AND WE'VE SPELLED OUT IN THE PRESENTATION.

ARE ALL THE STATEMENTS CONTAINED IN THE PETITION TRUE AND CORRECT? IS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT CONSISTENT WITH ANY ELEMENT OF THE STATE OR LOCAL

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WE'VE PROVIDED THE CHART THAT SHOWS THE PREFILED TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTS FROM OUR THREE WITNESSES THAT WERE PROVIDED IN ADVANCE AS WELL AS WHICH OF THE QUESTIONS WITHIN THAT PREFILED TESTIMONY ADDRESS EACH OF THE SIX FACTORS.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT EACH OF THE WITNESSES ADDRESSED MANY OF THEM AND IN TOTAL THEY WERE ALL ADDRESSED POSITIVELY.

I WILL NOTE THAT AS YOUR STAFF OBSERVED, WE DO HAVE WRITTEN CONSENT TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE DISTRICT FROM 100% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT IS A STATUTORY FACTOR.

YOU CAN'T FORCE A CDD ON A PROPERTY OWNER WHO DOES NOT CONSENT. WE TALKED ALREADY ABOUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE. WITH THAT, IT IS OUR HOPE THAT YOU WILL ACT FAVORABLY UPON OUR PETITION, THAT YOU WILL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CORRECTED LEGAL THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKAGE AT 150.1 ACRES AND THEN ATTACHING THE UPDATED PETITION TO THAT ORDINANCE. WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE IN

TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5, THE PREMIUM POINTE CDD. NO CALL-INS.

NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. >> I DID NOT HEAR YOU, SIR.

MY NAME IS SEAN. I LIVE AT 1124 HAWK WATCH CIRCLE. AND I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS CDD IS VERY FRESH TO ME.

I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH IT. BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

IF THIS CDD DOES NOT EXIST AND IT DOESN'T GO FORWARD, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY THAT'S INVOLVED? CAN THIS GENTLEMAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME OR COULD ANY MEMBER HERE ANSWER THAT QUES

QUESTION? >> IF HE WISHES.

>> AND I APOLOGIZE. I WAS ANSWERING A QUESTION FROM PATRICK, SO I MISSED YOUR QUESTION.

BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT IF YOU ASK IT AGAIN.

>> IF THIS CDD DOES NOT GO FORWARD, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY INVOLVED? AND THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF THE CDD I GUESS IS TO IMPROVE THE INVOLVED?

>> THE GENERAL PURPOSE OF THE DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE BOTH A COST-EFFECTIVE MECHANISM, A TOOL, IF YOU WILL, A TOOLBELT TO ASSIST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMPANY.

WE CAN ACCESS THE TAX EXEMPT BOND MARKET OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF $12 MILLION. AND PROVIDES A STABLE ENTITY FOR THE LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

IF THE CDD WERE NOT GRANTED, I CAN'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT WHETHER THEY WOULD MOVE AHEAD OR NOT, I SUSPECT THEY WOULD. THEY MADE COMMITMENTS TO THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IN TERMS OF COST OF DOING THAT AND WOULD NOT PUT IN PLACE THE TOOL OF LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE WHICH IS IN OUR OPINION THE PREFERRED TOOL FOR

THIS COMMUNITY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

THERE -- ING PEOPLE THAT LIVE - >> SIR.

>> THIS IS NOT A DEBATE SITUATION.

>> THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, WE'LL HEAR IT NOW.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. JOHNSON, YOU CAN ASK THEM OFFLINE. BUT WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WAITING

FOR AGENDA ITEMS. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> I THINK THAT ENDS PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 5.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT BEING CONCLUDED ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WE'LL NOW -- DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.

THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION HAD BEEN CORRECTED TO 150.10 ACRES, AS MR. JOHNSON INDICATED. YOU PROBABLY SAW IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE THE ACTUAL PRINTOUT. IT LOOKS LIKE THE PRINTER I THINK PUTS SOME MARKS ON IT. WE WOULD SUBSTITUTE A CLEAN COPY SHOULD THE BOARD PASS THIS. THANK YOU

>> THANK YOU, MR. MCCORMACK. >> WITH PUBLIC COMMENT CONCLUDED, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE BOARD.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> I'LL MOVE THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN.

MOTION TO ENACT ORDINANCE 2020 DASH

>> 65. >> ESTABLISHING THE DEVELOPMENT

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>> SECOND >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON.

>> MOTION PASSES 5-0. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, THAT DOES INCLUDE THE CHANGES THAT WERE JUST PRESENTED BY MR. JOHNSON AS WELL AS IF YOU COULD GIVE ME PERMISSION TO GIVE THE CORRECT LEGAL THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET THAT DOES -- IT'S KIND OF A BAD PRINT, AS WELL AS I HAVE A CORRECTED PETITION THAT MR. JOHNSON DID PROVIDE TO ME THAT I CAN GIVE THE CLERK SO WE WILL HAVE THE CORRECT PACKAGE IN

PLACE. >> LET'S PAUSE HERE.

DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE MOTION RESTATED OR DO ANYTHING WITH

THAT INFORMATION? >> I THINK MR. JOHNSON, AS PART OF HIS PRESENTATION, HAD ALLUDED TO THE CORRECTED PETITION.

I FEEL LIKE THAT COVERS IT, MR. CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON AND

[6. St. Vincent’s Health System, Inc. Economic Development Incentive Request for Ascension St. Vincent’s St. Johns County Hospital Campus.]

>> JOY ANDREWS, DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

BEFORE YOU THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE GRANT. AND THIS PROJECT IN FRONT OF YOU IS A ST. VINCENT'S ASCENSION HOSPITAL PROPOSED TO BE BUILT 95 AND COUNTY ROAD 210. I HAVE THE APPLICANT, THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, VIRGINIA HALL.

SHE IS HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS.

AND AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION, I WILL INVITE HER JUST TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT WITH A FEW WORDS.

SO IN YOUR PACKAGE THERE IS THE APPLICATION THAT IS REQUESTED BY ST. VINCENT'S ASCENSION. AND THE STAFF ALSO INCLUDED A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS THAT WILL INDICATE THE NET BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. THIS PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BUILD A 230,000 SQUARE FEET OF PHASE 1 OF A HOSPITAL LOCATED AT CR 210 AND I-95 AND IT WILL BE COMPLETED IN TWO PHASES.

SO THIS APPLICATION IS ACTUALLY MORE PERTINENT TO PHASE 1 OF THE PROJECT. IT IS PROPOSED TO PROVIDE 415 NEW HIGH-WAGE JOBS. AN AVERAGE SALARY IS $81,500 AND ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED THE SUMMER OF 2022.

AND HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP WITH A STAR THAT IS THE LOCATION.

ACCORDING TO YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THERE IS A POINT SYSTEM AND THEY SCORED 8 POINTS, WHICH WILL QUALIFY THEM FOR CONSIDERATION FOR 100% OF YOUR IMPACT FEE COLLECTED IN THE FOUR YEAR OF PROPERTY TAXES AND FOUR YEARS OF PERSONAL TAXES AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING AS WELL AS WATER, SEWER CONNECTION FEE BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF ST. JOHNS COUNTY'S UTILITY. THAT IS NOT AN APPLICABLE CONSIDERATION. I WOULD LIKE TO -- THIS IS -- ACTUALLY CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE PROJECT, THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY PROPOSED FOR TWO PHASES. THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS.

ONE IS A FOR-PROFIT COMPONENT WHICH IS VERY CUSTOMARY.

IT IS MORE PERTINENT TO MEDICAL OFFICES.

AND THE OTHER COMPONENT IS THE HOSPITAL ITSELF, WHICH IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT PROJECT. SO THEREFORE, THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PAY ALL THE IMPACT FEES THAT IS REQUIRED OF THEM AND IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GRANT INCENTIVE, YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO GRANT THE GRANT APPLICATION IN ITS ENTIRETY OR LOOK AT DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THIS APPLICATION, WHICH INCLUDES INCENTIVE FOR THE IMPACT FEE PAID OUT OF FOR BOTH THE MEDICAL OFFICES AND THE HOSPITAL. AND THERE IS A BREAKDOWN ACTUALLY IN YOUR PACKAGE FOR THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE COST. THE NET BENEFIT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY, ACCORDING TO THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, IS -- LET'S SEE, $1.1 MILLION. AND THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE GRANT THAT IS REQUESTED, THE MAX IS $1.4 MILLION.

WITH THAT, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.

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>> THANK YOU, MRS. ANDREWS. MS. HALL, WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, MRS. HALL. AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE JAMES WHO IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PRESIDENT OF ASCENSION ST.

VINCENT'S JOHNSON COUNTY. HE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EXCITED PEOPLE ABOUT OUR PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. AND ALLOWING US TO COME DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS EXCITING PROJECT.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SINCE 2004 WHEN OUR MOBILE HEALTH OUTREACH MINISTRY STARTED. AND SINCE THEN WE'VE BEEN SERVING ST. JOHNS COUNTY RESIDENTS PROVIDING FREE HEALTHCARE TO OVER 9,000 RESIDENTS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T HAD A BRICKS AND MORTAR FACILITY, OUR HEART HAS CERTAINLY BEEN HERE TO SERVE THE POOR AND VULNERABLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. IN 2017 WE OPENED OUR HEALTHCARE CENTER LOCATED ON COUNTY ROAD 210 JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM WHERE OUR NEW HOSPITAL WILL BE AND WE HAVE NINE PROVIDERS THAT WORK THERE AND 20 ASSOCIATES. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN OVER 72,000 PATIENTS AT THAT FACILITY.

OUR HOPE IS TO OPEN EARLY, EARLY SUMMER OF 2022.

THE FACILITY WILL BRING -- WHEN FULLY COMPLETED WITH ADDITIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, WILL BRING ABOUT 675 JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S GOING TO BE $115 MILLION INVESTMENT. AND THE SALARIES FOR THE ASSOCIATES THAT WILL WORK THERE COMES IN AT ABOUT $70 MILLION.

SO THAT WILL BE MONEY THAT WILL BE, I'M SURE, PUT BACK IN TO HOMES AND BUSINESSES RIGHT HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

IN OUR APPLICATION, WE MENTIONED A LOWER NUMBER OF JOBS.

JUST WANT TO SAY THAT NUMBER, AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WHAT ALL THE SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE OFFERED THERE, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN THAT AT OUR CLAY COUNTY FACILITY THAT WE OPENED FIVE YEARS AGO.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE OTHER GROWTH THAT HAPPENS AROUND THE FACILITY IS REALLY AMAZING AND HAPPENS RATHER QUICKLY.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SAY THAT WE WERE JUST INFORMED THAT ALL THREE OF OUR HOSPITALS AT ASCENSION ST. VINCENT'S RECEIVED AN A GRADE FFROM LEAPFROG. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF AND GLAD TO OFFER THAT SERVICE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

WITH ALL THAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW, I THINK EVERYONE REALIZES HOW IMPORTANT HEALTHCARE IS.

AND WE JUST CAN'T WAIT TO OPEN OUR DOORS HERE IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND START SERVING THE RESIDENTS WITH EVEN A HIGHER LEVEL OF CARE THAN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE WITH OUR 210 PRIMARY CARE URGENT CARE FACILITY.

I HAVE BILL SHILLING IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INCENTIVE PACKAGE. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >> THANK YOU, MS. HALL.

DOES YOUR COLLEAGUE WISH TO ADDRESS US? HE'S GOOD? OKAY.

THANK YOU. MR. SCHILLING.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'LL JUST STATE MY NAME FOR THE RECORD. BUT BILL SCHILLING, HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH ASCENSION ST. VINCENT'S ON THIS PROJECT. MY ADDRESS IS 12740 GRAND BAY PARKWAY WEST. I'LL JUST SHARE THAT I'M HERE TO ANSWER TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPLICATION.

IT HAS BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH STAFF AS WELL.

THEY'VE BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. AND THE WHOLE TEAM IS HERE STANDING BY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MR. SCHILLING.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD?

MRS. ANDREWS. >> YES, I DO WANT TO REMIND COMMISSIONERS THAT THIS IS A CONSIDERATION FOR THIS APPLICATION AND YOU'LL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY APPROVE

. >> RIGHT NOW WE WILL GO TO

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 6. ACTUALLY, WE HAVE ONE:.

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NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> HELLO?

>> NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GO AHEAD. >> TOM REYNOLDS, 15 COURT SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA. THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY GREAT PROJECT HERE.

I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WHEN THEY MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT FOR-PROFIT VERSUS NOT-FOR-PROFIT, BUT IN 100 PERCENT OKAY WITH THE NON-FOR PROFIT GETTING SOME AID.

ESPECIALLY AFTER THEY ADMITTED THEY HAVE BEEN HELPING A LOT OF POOR PEOPLE.

AND DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE. SO I AM ALL FOR THIS INCENTIVE PACKAGE FOR THIS HOSPITAL.

I URGE THIS COMMISSION TO VOTE FOR THIS PACKAGE. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT? I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY MORE COLLINS. HELLO? YOU ARE A CALL IN? I DON'T THINK SO. ANYONE FROM THE AUDIENCE?

THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT TOWARD MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU.F THIS TIME PUBLIC COMMENT BEING COMPLETED, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION?

>> YES, MR. CHAIR. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO INSTRUCT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR ST. VINCENT HEALTH SYSTEM IN TO CONSTRUCT 230,000 SQUARE-FOOT CAMPUS AND PLACE THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD

AT A LATER REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. >> SECOND.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.EFORE WE VOTE, BUT ME SAY I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO ATTRACT IMPORTANT PARTNERS FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE AT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

HEALTH OUR RESIDENTS DEPEND ON THE SO THIS IS AN EXCITING PROJECT AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. WE WILL GO TO VOTE. PLEASE VOTE.MOTION PASSES 5/0. CONGRATULATIONS. WE WILL NOW MOVE THE AGENDA

[7. Project Lot 8 Economic Development Incentive Request.]

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

JENNIFER, TODAY WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE REQUEST FOR PROJECT LOT EIGHT.

THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED CONFIDENTIALITY DURING THE DUE DILIGENCE PROCESS.

THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEVELOP A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY THAT IS ESTIMATED TO BE 40,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PROJECT WILL BRING IN INVESTMENT TOTALING APPROXIMATELY $14 MILLION THAT WILL CREATE 197 NEW HIGH WAGE JOBS WITH AN AVERAGE ANNUAL SALARY OF MORE THAN $57,000, WHICH IS MORE THAN 125 PERCENT OF OUR COUNTIES AVERAGE WAGE.

THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BE COMPLETE IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF 2021.

THE APPLICANT SCORED FIVE POINTS UNDER THE NEW INDUSTRY CATEGORY OF THE COUNTIES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE PROGRAM. BASED ON THE FACILITY SIZE, THE NUMBER OF NEW JOBS IN THE WAGE RATE. THEREFORE UNDER THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE FOR CONSIDERATION OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT OF 50 PERCENT OF FEES IN WATER SEWER CONNECTION FEES PAID FOR TWO YEARS OF GENERAL COUNTY PORTION OF TAXES PAID ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, TWO YEARS OF GENERAL COUNTY PORTION OF TANGIBLE BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX AND EXPEDITED PERMITTING FOR IN THE TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE INCENTIVE IS $348,453 WITH THE FIRST ANNUAL GRANT PAYMENT ANTICIPATED DURING FISCAL YEAR 23.

INCLUDED IN YOUR MATERIALS IS THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS POSITIVE.

IF APPROVED, STAFF WILL WORK TO DRAFT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA OF A FUTURE MEETING. AS WITH ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT, GRANT PAYMENTS WILL NOT BE PAID UNTIL ALL PERFORMANCE MEASURES ARE MET. WE HAVE HERE WITH US TODAY MIKE, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE PROJECT, AND HE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

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THANK YOU. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU.ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE ARE NOW OPEN TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM 7. WE HAVE ONE CALL IN.

NAME AND ADDRESS. GO AHEAD. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] ONCE AGAIN, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE WOMAN IS NOT DONE TALKING ON THE 30 MINUTE DELAY. SO NOW I HAVE TO COMMENT WITHOUT HEARING THE WHOLE THING. VOTE NO. IT IS A SIMPLE ONE FOR ME.

THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF GOVERNMENT.NYTHING SECRET, ANYTHING KEPT FROM THE PUBLIC IS WRONG. I KNOW THEY TEST THIS, THEY DO WANT THEIR TRADE SECRETS OUT.

SO EXACTLY WHAT IS THIS PROJECT? IT BETTR NOT BE RELATED TO THE MARIJUANA INDUSTRY.ECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETE SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL WE GOT AROUND HERE IS BOOZE AND ALCOHOL IS OUR BIG PRIORITY FOR SOME REASON IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WHAT ARE THEY PRODUCE? TO PRODUCE ALCOHOL. AM AMAZED THIS PROJECT WOULD EVEN COME BEFORE IT. TO GIVE $340,000, WHAT ARE YOU COUNTING ON? REMEMBER, THAT IS NOT GOING INTO THE BANK ACCOUNT OF ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

THIS IS THE WORST KIND OF CORPORATE WELFARE. THIS IS SECRETIVE CORPORATE WELFARE. THIS IS THE KIND OF HER GOVERNMENT WATCHDOG CRINGES WHEN THEY HEAR THIS. THIS IS A DISGRACE BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE THE COUNTY AND YOU WANT TO KEEP IT A SECRET. BRIEF PROUD WHAT YOU DO.

DOES THIS COMPANY WANT TO BUILD A COMPANY ON THEIR OWN? ARE THEY GOING TO SAY WELL, WE ALMOST BUILT THIS ON OUR OWN. BUT WE HAVE $348 WELFARE FROM THE COUNTY.

I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, DON'T CALL YOURSELF A CONSERVATIVE IF YOU VOTE FOR THIS. VOTE THIS THING DOWN, THROW THIS THING OUT.

WE HAVE THE BEST COUNTY IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE SHOULD BE PAYING US TO COME HEAR FROM YOU AND WE GET THE BEST COUNTY, THE BEST PEOPLE AND THE BEST BEACHES.

ALL THESE PEOPLE TO TAKE A WALK IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT. TELL THEM TO GO TO BALTIMORE.

HANK YOU. >> PUBLIC COMMENT? >> BE JAKE A LADY, WAS CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE MS. JENNIFER SUGGESTED WE ASK MR. COPENHAVER, WHO REPRESENTS THIS CONFIDENTIALITY NONTRANSPARENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. THE QUESTION IS IN READING A LITTLE BIT THAT I WAS ABLE TO READ. IS IT'S STILL A SECRET WHERE THE ADDRESSES? CAN WE KNOW THE ADDRESS OR IS THAT PART OF THE SECRET.HANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT COMPLETES

COMP PUBLIC COMMENT. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: PUBLIC COMMENT CLOSED ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. BACK TO THE BOARD. IS THERE A MOTION? IS THERE A MOTION? THERE IS NO MOTION ON THIS ISSUE.

FAILS FOR LACK OF A MOTION. ARRAY. WE ARE NOW GOING TO MOVE ON TO

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WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED AS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

IF I MAY PROCEED. I WILL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES I STRUGGLE WITH THAT ISSUE. BUT I WILL TRY. WE'VE DISCUSSED IN MORE THAN ONE OCCASION THE HISTORY AND THE STATUS OF LAMP. AND IT IS MY DESIRE, IT IS MY WISH WE REVIVE THE LAMP PROGRA . YOU HAVE HEARD MOST OF MY COMMENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A RECORD NUMBER OF BUILDING PERMITS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS ISSUED THIS YEAR. WE MADE IT 5000.

IF WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND AND GROW, WHICH IS A GOOD THING IF IT IS DONE RIGHT.

WE ALSO ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE OPEN SPACE, NATURAL AREAS AND AGRICULTURAL LAND.

AND I THINK THE LAMP PROGRAM, WHEN IT WAS ENFORCED, WAS VERY EFFECTIVE IN ACQUIRING KEY PARCELS IN NATURAL AREAS. IT IS ALSO WONDERFUL TO HAVE A LOCAL PROGRAM TO MATCH THE STATE AND REGIONAL PROGRAM, DEP AND WATER MANAGEMENT. YOU CAN REALLY LEVERAGE YOUR LOCAL MONEY AND GO A LONG WAY. SO I'M ENCOURAGING MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TO DO BASICALLY,

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>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER DEAN. AT THIS POINT LET'S OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE CAN OF

FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED GRANT PROGRAM REVIVAL? RIGHT NOW I DON'T SEE ANY CALL IN. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYONE.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: OKAY. COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST . >>CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, IF I COULD.HEN I SPOKE WITH RESIDENTS ABOUT REFUNDING THE LAMP PROGRAM, THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR THAT.

IT IS SOMETHING I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. BUT WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED IS FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE ADJUST THE RATE IT WAS LAST FUNDED THAT FOR INFLATION.

I KNOW DURING 2008 THAT WAS THE LAST YEAR IT WAS FUNDED.T WAS FUNDED TO THE TUNE OF $300,000. WENT ON THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS INFLATION CALCULATOR AND THE NUMBER ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION, WHICH SHOULD BE IN MY MIND GIVING AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY ASKED FOR WOULD BE $375,000. AND SO WE ASK FOR YOU TO

CONSIDER THAT. >> I WILL CERTAINLY CHECK THAT. >> BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR, HAVE

YOU FORMALLY MADE YOUR MOTION YET? >> I THOUGHT I DID.>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, COMMISSIONER SMITH ICU.

IS THERE A SECOND TWO COMMISSIONER DEAN MOTION? >> WITH THE AMENDMENT I

SUGGESTED. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: LET'S START WITH ÃARE YOU WILLING

TO?>> I FULLY EXPECT TO ACCEPT THAT. >> DO YOU MIND RESTATING THE

MOTION ONE MORE TIME. >>HENRY DEAN : MY MOTION IS TO REQUEST STAFF TO COME BACK IF POSSIBLE AT THE JANUARY 19 COMMISSION MEETING WITH A PROPOSAL SPECIFIC PROPOSAL THAT WE CAN ACT ON TO REVIVE THE LAMP PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE REESTABLISHMENT OF THE ADVISORY SELECTION COMMITTEE. AND ALSO IDENTIFYING, IF POSSIBLE, REVENUE PERCEIVED MONEY IN THE AMOUNT OF $370,00 . SO WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THE

PROGRAM A NEW. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: WITH THE COMMISSIONER DEAN AND A SECOND

BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST . MR. SMITH? >>JEB S. SMITH: I WANT TO STATE SOME FACTS AND I APPRECIATE STAFF FOR HELPING SECURE SOME OF THESE MEMBERS.

I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE WE START OFF WITH A WHOLESOME NUMBER ENTIRE LANDMASS OF ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY IS 389,120 ACRES. AT THIS POINT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND SELF, WE OWN ABOUT 2577 ACRES THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE RIGHT AWAY.HAS DETERMINED THIS VALLEY TO A. SOMEWHERE AROUND $340 MILLION. I JUST WANT TO BRING OUT THAT RECENTLY WE PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY IN 1316.8 ACRES. WE DID THAT AS A BOARD WITHOUT FEDERAL OR STATE ASSISTANCE.

THAT WAS AT A TOTAL OF $4,526,871.20 ON SEPTEMBER 25 OF 2018.

I ALSO WANT TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION A VERY IMPORTANT FACT THAT NEEDS CONSIDERATION.

IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WE HAVE PUBLIC CONSERVATION PLANS IN TOTAL OF 54,189 ACRES.

WE ALSO HAVE PUBLIC RECREATION LANDS TOTALING 70,802 ACRES. IF YOU TOTAL THAT UP, LANDS THAT ARE GIVEN TO CONSRVATION IN PUBLIC RECREATION ARE NEARLY ONE THIRD OF OUR LANDMASS IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. THAT IS A PRETTY STOUT NUMBER. ACTUALLY, THE NUMBER IS 32.1

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I JUST HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH REVITALIZATION. I WILL SAY NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE IN IRAN ONLY PERMISSIBLE LIMITED AND SMALL GOVERNMENT., FISCAL CONSERVATIVE AND I RAN ON NOT RAISING TAXES. I AM WHO I SAID I AM AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED DURING THIS ACTION GROWS GOVERNMENT AND CONSUMES MORE TAXPAYER MONEY.

IS THE AND A THESIS OF WHAT I BELIEVE GOVERNMENTS RESPONSIBILITY IS.

I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS WILL REMOVE TAXABLE PROPERTY.

HENCE THE TAX BURDEN WILL SHIFT TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. I KNOW SOME WILL REFUTE THAT STATEMENT AND POINT OUT IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, NOT ALL COMMUNITY PAYS FOR IT AND THERE WILL BE AN INCREASED UPKEEP COST AND DEVELOPMENT REQUEST AND MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS. THE PRIVATE SECTOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BETTER STEWARD THAN GOVERNMENT ÃOF LAND. PRIVATE LAND OWNERS MAINTAIN AT A LOWER COST.

THEY MITIGATE AND CONTROL AGAINST THE BASE OF PESTS, PLANTS AND DISEASES AND I WILL CITE NUMEROUS DISTANCES. YOU CAN LOOK OUT WEST RIGHT NOW PUT THE WILDFIRES OUT WEST OUR GOVERNMENT OWNED LANDS, NOT PRIVATELY OWNED LANDS. JUST ONE OF MANY INSTANCES WHERE I BELIEVE THAT MISMANAGEMENT HAPPENS WITH GOVERNMENT.

AND THE REASON IS OFTEN TIMES HISTORICALLY GOVERNMENT DOES LAST AT HIGHER COST AND WILL CUT THOSE COSTS AT THE BENEFIT OF EXPENSIVE NECESSITY. GOVERNMENT WILL YIELD TO POLITICAL PRESSURES AND PERCEPTION AND NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS DO WHAT IS BEST FOR BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND WILDLIFE. THE CONCERN OF DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY LIES WITH THE DECISIONS OF THIS BOARD. THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO THE GOOD THE PUBLIC AND WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BUREAU, ANOTHER PROGRAM TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL IS GIVEN IN MACOLA CREEK. IS MY OPINION WE NEED TO FOCUS ON TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE TANTALIZE OR ATTEMPT THE SATISFACTION OF AN INSATIABLE APPETITE FOR MORE. THAT IS MY COMMENTS AND I THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU MR. SMITH. COMMISSIONER WALDRON?

>>PAUL M. WALDRON : I JUST HAD A FEW COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, THE PROGRAM, THIS BOARD HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. THEY EXPAND THE PART NEEDED FOR THE FUTURE.

I WOULD POSSIBLY AGREE WITH HAVING AN ADVISORY BOARD, BUT NOT FUNDING MONEY THAT THEY CONTROL THROUGH ONE THING I DON'T WANT TO DO OR EVER DO, THIS BOARD IS ELECTED.

IT IS OUR DECISION TO SPEND MONEY. ONLY OF HIS PROPERTY WE WANT TO BUY, THAT IS GREAT.I DO NOT WANT TO USE TAXPAYER MONEY TO BUY LAND THAT KICKS TAXPAYERS OVER THAT LAND OR TO KEEP THEM OFF THAT LAND.WE HAVE, LIKE COMMISSIONER SMITH MENTIONED, WE'VE LAND FOR PARKS ALL OVER THIS COUNTY. WE DON'T FUND IT.

THAT IS NOT GOOD BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT WE INTEND TO BECOME APPARENT HAVE A DEVELOPERCOME AND SAY HEY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE 65 ACRES FOR A PARK . WE NEVER BUILT THE PARK.

AND THAT IS NOT BEING TOO COUNTING WHAT WE HAVE TO GO FO .

IT IS A LOT OF LANDS. AND A LOT OF TIMES I HEAR FROM GROUPS IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF COUNTY. AND ON INTO FLAGGER COUNTY, A MAJORITY OF THAT OTHER THAN A FEW 500 ACRES IS OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. NOW, I DON'T AGREE.HEY DON'T LET US ONLY PART OF IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO WALK FIVE MILES, AND THAT IS WHAT I RATHER SEE.

YES, WE CAN MAYBE HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD IF A PROPERTY CAME UP.

BUT I RATHER FOCUS ON BUILDING THESE. WE ARE GONNA GET BACK 1.$7 MILLION MORE. THAT WOULD HELP BUILD A PARK. THAT THEY FINISH WHAT IMPACT THESE WILL DUE TO THESE PARKS. AND I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WOULD BE HAPPIER WITH THAT.

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BUT I THINK OUR BOARD HAS DONE A GOOD JOB SINCE IHAVE BEEN ON IT .

COMMISSIONER DEAN, WHEE KIM AT THE SAME TIME. IF SOMETHING HAS COME UP WITH THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR FUTURE. BUT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN IT. AND THAT IS REALLY WHAT I HAVE

TO SAY.>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER DEAN? >> TO BE CLEAR, IT WAS NEVE MY INTENTION TO DELEGATE TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO CONTROL THE MONEY OR ACT INDEPENDENTLY OR UNILATERALLY. THE VERY TERM ADVISORY COMMITTEE CONVEY OF THE IDEA THAT ANYTHING THEY RECOMMEND WOULD COME TO US AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ACTULLY PURCHASE.

I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR.> I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT YOU PUT A LOT OF POLITICAL

SURE ON THE BOARD FROM ANOTHER GROUP. >> WE SORT OF LIVE WITH

POLITICAL PRESSURE. >> UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT IS BACK TO THE SAME THING. WE GET PHONE CALLS FROM WHO MOVED TO LAST WEEK WHO DOESN'T LIKE GROWTH. IS WHAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING.

IF I MOVE HERE AND LIVING ON THE MARSH. I WANT THE COUNTY AROUND ME GIVE IT AND THAT IS WHAT WE MAY END UP WITH. THEIR PARCEL SEVEN MENTIONED THAT BE COSTLY $15-$20 MILLION, BUT WE HAVE OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND BY THOUSANDS OFACRES . SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN WHAT WE ARE PUTTING OURSELVES INTO WHAT I CALL A NO-WIN SITUATION. WE HAVE NO WAY TO WIN.

AND ADVISORY BOARD WOULD BE GREAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO FUND IT.E HAVE PLENTY OF RESERVES.

IF SOMETHING CAME UP WE WANTED TO BUY WE COULD CERTAINLY BUY IT.

>> I UNDERSTAND AND I APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION. I THINK WE AS A BOARD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HAVE A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION AND REACH A CONCLUSION AND GOING WITH HANDSHAKES. SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S INPUT.

>> I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE WE ARE ALL HERE, WE ALL WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB WE ARE ALL HERE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY. TO UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO THIS.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DEAN. WOULD LIKE TO SEE STAFF COME BACKTO US WITH AN ANALYSIS OR A REPORT. OUR CITIZENS ARE ASKING FOR THIS FOR THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO RESPOND EVERY TIME, BUT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIAL, A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE BOOKS . DRIVEN ORDINANCE FOR THE COMMITTEE. THIS IS SOMETHING OTHER COUNTIES DO.

WHAT IS INTERESTING IS EVERY COUNTY IN FLORIDA DOES SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

I'D BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING FROM A STOCK PERSPECTIVE HOW TO DO THIS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. I BELIEVE I BROUGHT THIS UP SOME TIME AGO TO LOOK AT FUNDING VOLUNTEER CONTRIBUTIONS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY EVERYBODY, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN RELATION TO THE MOTION IS STAFF COME BACK WITH ANALYSIS OF THE BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE MOTION IS DOING. SO BASED ON THAT, I WILL SUPPORT BASED ON THAT. AND SO HOPEFULLY STAFF CAN COME PBACK.

AND AGAIN, NOT THE GONE BUT I'VE SEEN EXAMPLES BEFORE WE WENT ON A BUDGET.

IS FUNDED THROUGH DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT COMES UP WITH. AS IT STANDS NOW, WE HAVEN'T ORDINANCE IN PLACE AND WE ARE VOTING ON A NEW ORDINANCE TO BE HOW WE ARE EITHER GOING TO REACTIVATE IT.

ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? AT THIS POINT WE WILL GO AND VOTE.

PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 4/1. STAFF, IF YOU COULD TAKE THE COMMENTS WE HAVE GIVEN TODAY, COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND THEN WE CAN GET THAT ON OUR NEXT AGENDA. AT THIS TIME, THAT CONCLUDES OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED BUSINESS. THIS TIME WE WILL MOVE INTO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS.

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START WITH YOU. >>PAUL M. WALDRON : FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO BRING UP Ã THIS HAPPEN PROBABLY BACK BEFORE THE HURRICANES AND COVID.

AT A GROUP OF RESIDENTS APPROACHED ME ABOUT BUILDING YOUR THEY WILL BUILD A WALKWAY.

AND THEY HAVE A GOLF STREAM DESIGN YOUR THEY DESIGNED IT FOR THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. WOULD HAVE TO GET A LICENSE AGREEMENT TO BUILD A BEACH WALK

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WE ON THE RIGHT AWAY, IT HAS NEVER BEEN USED. YOU THINGS FOR THE THAT COULD WORK OUT. ACTUALLY, I THINK WE LOOKED AT IT ORIGINALLY BEFORE THE HURRICANES THERE WAS A BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD THAT MADE A GOOD PARKING LOT.

AND IS VERY REASONABLE AT THE TIME. WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET

BOARD CONSISTS IS ALL NOT. >> DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? >> STAFF, PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS

AND WE WILL SEE ABOUT GETTING THIS ON THE AGENDA ITEM. >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST REMARK BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD IN PUBLIC

COMMENTWILL BE AVAILABLE .>> DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL? >> NO.

>> WE OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE COMMISSIONERS PROPOSAL? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A CALL WAITING.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS A CALL WAITING ON THIS ITEM. GO AHEAD.

DO WE HAVE A CALLER? DO WE HAVE A CALL IN? >> YES.

IS IT OKAY TO GO AHEAD? >> NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS, REGARDING COURT SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA YOUR GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU AGAIN ON THE LAST ITEM YOU ARE CALLING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WE ARE STILL GETTING A DELAY.

I DON'T GET PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT IS RELEVANT NOW, IT IS OVER WITH.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. I LIKE THIS IDEA THAT PAUL WALDRON BROUGHT UP ABOUT PUTTING THE OVERPASS IN. BUT IN THIS WALKWAY INTO THE BEACH AND THOSE FOLKS ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND THE COUNTY MAINTAINS IT.

I HOPE YOU GO FORWARD WITH THIS AND ON THE LAST AGENDA ITEM I WANT TO THINK COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR ALL HIS GREAT HOMEWORK HE DID ON THAT BUT HAVING ON THE FAX NUMBERS AND FIGURES AND I LIKE ALL THE STUFF TO CALL WALDRON POINTED OUT ABOUT OUR PARKS NOW NEEDING TO BE FIXED UP NOW. I LIKE BOTH THOSE IDEAS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK TAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> ALL RIGHT. STAFF, IF YOU COULD TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COMMISSIONER WALDRON FOR CONSENSUS.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? >>PAUL M. WALDRON : WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER TODAY AND WE HAD THE SAME THING ON BIRD ROAD. FORMER COMMISSIONER REPORT TALKED ABOUT.

IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR CERTAIN AREAS, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AFFORDABILITY. BUT IF YOU DON'T ALLOW A FAMILY OR SOMEONE TO MOVE TO A PIECE AND A FAMILY FARM IS AGREAT IDEA .

I ACTUALLY LIVE ON FOR IT THAT IS HOW WE GOT SPLIT. BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED AND ALL OUR FAMILY, WHAT IS THE FAMILY GOING TO DO WITH THAT HOUSE? IT BASICALLY BECOMES I CAN'T SELL IT. WITHOUT COMING FROM THE BOARD. I'M NOT SAYING CHANGE AT ALL BUT MAYBE MAKE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT EASIER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME THEY START ON THAT, BUT THAT IS A LOT TO PRESENT. FOR SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, I DON'T KNOW IF IN THE FOUR YEARS WE HAVE BEEN HERE THAT WE EVER VOTED ONE DOWN AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE ELSE'S THOUGHTS ARE ON IT.

GET COMMISSIONERS SMITH BECAUSE HE IS OUT. >>JEB S. SMITH: THIS IS A PERPETUAL PROBLEM FOR ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO FAMILY FARMS. WE BEGAN THE DISCUSSION BACK MANY YEARS AGO ABOUT HOW TO RECTIFY THEM.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE ISSUES THAT ARISE. WHETHER IT BE DIVORCES OR DESIRED SALE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING, ILLEGAL NONCONFORMING PARCEL. I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.

AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO SUNSET SO IT IS NOT ABUSED BUT CAN BE PROPERLY UTILIZED BUT PASSED ON VIA TRANSACTION.WHATEVER THAT BE THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF SUNSET PROVISION IN REGARD TO THE ESTABLISHMENT, USE OF THE FAMILY FARM AND TIME DELAY SUNSETS ITSELF.

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WE EVEN HAD THISDISCUSSION IN MY MEETING WITH THE WILSON'S . IT IS A PERPETUATED PROBLEM WITH A GOOD IDEA THAT HAS SOME ADVERSE REPERCUSSIONS. AND I THINK STAFF HAS BEGUN AND INITIATED THAT KIND OF DISCUSSION. IT NEEDS TO BE EXPEDITED AND

DEALT WITH AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH.NY FURTHER,? IS THERE BOARD CONSENSUS TO DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD? OKAY. IF WE COULD HEAR MR. MCCORMICK, IF YOU COULD START LOOKING INTO THIS. I AGREE PIVOTING CHALLENGES A SMALL LANDHOLDERS AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DRAG IT IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. THERE IS A WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THE SUNSET PROVISION AND WHAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY COMMISSIONER WALDRON, COMMISSIONER SMITH.E WILL GIVE MR. REYNOLDS HIS OPPORTUNITY TO CALL IN SO WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND LET'S WAIT A FULL 30 SECONDS SO HE CAN CALL IN HERE

AND THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO MR. WALDRON. >> CAN WE OPEN IT UP THE PUBLIC

COMMENT?>> PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THE PROPOSAL TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DEAL WITH SMALL LAND USE CHANGES IN THE AGGIE AREA. IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: YEAH, FAMILY FARM. >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT, MR.

CHAIR. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD

MEMBERS?KAY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON? >>PAUL M. WALDRON : I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE YELLOWJACKET FOOTBALL TEAM, THEIR PLAYERS AND COACHES.

A WONDERFUL YEAR. ALSO, TRIPLE OVERTIME IN THE STATE SEMI FINALS.

A TREMENDOUS TO MAKE IT THAT FAR. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HOW OFTEN THEY BEEN AROUND AND HOW LONG THEY MADE IT IN ALL THE YEARS.

I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THEM AND THE COACHES. WHEN I WATCH AND LIVE STREAMED THERE A WELL DISCIPLINED TEAM. SEE MY KIDS WERE LISTENING TO THE COACHES AND DOING A GREAT JOB. AND I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE MR. DANNY FARREN BERG, THE TDC CHAIRMAN WHO SAT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING. HIM BEING HERE KIND OF BROUGHT UP ÃAND TDC WE ARE DISCUSSING MAY BE TRYING TO FORM A SPORTS COMMISSION TO SEE WHAT STUFF WE COULD BRING TO THE COUNTY AS A TOURIST ATTRACTION THAT WOULD BE AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN SAINT AUGUSTINE. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR BOARD COULD SEND A LITTLE BIT OF PUSH THAT WAY. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE DON'T NEED THAT OFTEN SO SOMETIMES THINGS GET KICKED DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK THEY DID A STUDY ON IT.

AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO DO ONE BUT IT NEVER GOT DONE. THERE IS AN OPTION IN SOME OF THAT. FUNDING FOR TOURIST DOLLARS YOU CAN BRING IN AND SEE A TOURNAMENT. WE HAD THE GOLF COURSES FOR THE GOLF ONE.

AND MAY INCLUDE BUILDING A FACILITY EVENTUALLY. BUT SOMETHING WE COULD MAYBE

LOOK INTO. >> IS THERE BOARD CONSENSUS? >> JUST SEND A LETTER SAYING WE

ARE IN FAVOR OF IT AND GO AHEAD AND WORK ON GETTING IT SET UP. >> MR. CHAIR, MAY I MAKE A

COMMENT TO THE BOARD? >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: YES. >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, A SIGNAL TO THE TDC TO DEVELOP THE SPORTS COMMISSION CONCEPT AND ULTIMATELY BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THE BOARD. I JUST DID WANT TO MENTION, IS IT THE RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY SEPARATEFROM THAT .

>> THIS WOULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT DRAWING IN BIG-TIME TOURNAMENTS AND COMPANIES THAT WANTED TO COME IN A BID BUILD FACILITIES.

WHEN WE HAD THE PICKLE BALL PRESENTATION, THEY TALKED ABOUT LOOKING FOR PLACES TO PLAY NATIONAL TOURNAMENTS AND APPARENTLY THAT BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE.

ACTUALLY, AFTER THAT MEETING WE WENT HOME AND FLIPPED THROUGH THE CHANNELS ON THE PICKLE BALL TOURNAMENT WAS ON TV. AND NEVER KNEW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL THAT DAY.

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BUT THE KIND OF LOOK FOR OTHER OPTIONS TO DRAW VISITORS TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THROUGH THAT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL. AND REALLY, THE FACILITIES WOULD HELP OUR LOCAL PEOPLE

NOTABLY THE DOLLARS TO COME AND BUILD AN OUTSIDE SOURCES.>> IS THERE BOARD SINCE IS ON

ASKING STAFF TO DRAFT? >>JEB S. SMITH: GUESS AND CONCEPT IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT QUESTIONS.I HAVE A LOT OF - I DON'T WANT TO ASK OF THOSE NOW.

I'M SURE I'M IN ADEQUATE TO DO SO. BUT YOU ARE SAYING TO SEND THIS

BACK TO TDC TO FORMALIZE THE CONCEPT WE GET ANOTHER SHOT AT IT?>> YES, WE WOULD GET A

SHOT BACK AT IT. >>JEB S. SMITH: THAT IS CERTAINLY EASING TO ME BECAUSE I CAN SAY AYE TO SOMETHING NOW. THE SPORTS COMMISSION HAS A WHOLE DIFFERENT.

>> I WILL FORMALIZE HOW IT WILL WORK, WHAT WOULD BE ENTAILED AND BRING IT BACK.

>> SO WOULD WE IN ESSENCE BE ASKING FOR A PROPOSAL? >> YES.

>> IS THERE CONSENSUS? >> STAFF, IF WE COULD WORK ON THE LETTER.KAY.

>> A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? >> LET'S WAIT 30 SECONDS.

>> HELLO? >> WE ARE GIVING YOU 30 SECONDS TO MAKE SURE YOU HEARD THE

DISCUSSION. BUT GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> TOM REYNOLDS, 50 BRIGANTINE COURT SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA. I LIKE THIS IDEA, IT IS A GOOD IDEA. IT'S ABOUT TIME WE STARTED EXPANDING OUT INTO LOOKING FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS. I WANTED TO MENTION SOMETHING THAT PAUL WALDRON MENTIONED.

HE SAID HE NEVER KNEW WHAT PICKLE BALL WAS. PICKLE BALL IS VERY POPULAR.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS UNTIL I HEARD IT UP THE STREET FROM ME AND WENT AND WATCHED THESE PEOPLE PLAY. I HAVE BAD ANGLES AND THAT THE AND CAN'T PLAY, BUT I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THE MIDDLE AGED PEOPLE PLAY IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE LATE 40S AND 50S PLAYING THIS GAME. THOSE ARE THE BEST KIND OF PEOPLE WE WANT TO BRING INTO THIS COUNTY. THOSE ARE THE ONES SPENDING ALL THE MONEY, SPENDING ALL THE MONEY RIGHT NOW. THOSE OF THE PEOPLE WHO GO OUT TO EAT ALL THE TIME. IS NOT THE YOUNG PEOPLE, BUT THEY DON'T GO OUT AND EAT LIKE THAT FOR THEY ONLY GO OUT DRINKING PROGRAM I WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY THINGS YOU WERE VOTING ON.ND THINK IT IS TIME, ALTHOUGH 1000 PERCENT RESPECT FOR MR. WALDRON ON THE TDC. THINK IT IS TIME WE PUT JEFF SMITH ON THE TDC.

THIS IS HIS SECOND TERM. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JEFF AND THEIR. HE LOOKS AT THE NICKELS AND DIMES AND SO DOES PAUL.

WOULD BE A GOOD HANDOFF IT WOULD BE LIKE THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK ENDING UP TO THE GREATEST RECEIVER. TODAY HOW ABOUT DOING THAT. HOW ABOUT GETTING SMITH ON THE BOARD AND MOVING THINGS AROUND. COULD PUBLIC COMMENT, AS ALWAY .

>> THANK YOU. >> THAT IS A GREAT ENDORSEMENT. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYBODY AND TRY TO ENJOY YOUR FAMILIES AND REMEMBER THE REASON FOR THE SEASON. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING. ANYONE OF OUR PRESENTERS.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WALDRON. ALL GREAT SUGGESTIONS.

MR. WHITEHURST . >>CHRISTIAN WHITEHURST: OF THREE ITEMS PER THE FIRST OF WHICH IS TO WELCOME YOU BACK AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IT IS NOT LOST ON ME AND NOT JUST PHYSICALLY TAXING IT IS TO SERVE ABROAD WHEN YOU ARE IN PHYSICAL DANGER, BUT HELP MENTALLY AND EMOTIONALLY TAXING IT IS TO BE AWAY FROM YOUR FAMILY ON MILITARY BORDERS.

THANK YOU TO YOU AND LAURA AND THE KIDS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IS A GREAT SACRIFICE.

PIT IS A FAMILY ENDEAVOR TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY IN THE MILITARY.

SO THANK YOU AND WELCOME BACK. SECONDLY, I WANT TO THANK PLANTATION CDC BOARD TO PUT ON AN AMAZING EVENT THIS SATURDAY TO THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS INVOLVED.

SHERIFF ELECT ROB HARDWICK WAS THERE FOR RELENTED TWO HELICOPTERS IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY HAD A GOAL PART PARADE. I WAS HONORED TO KNOW NOT TO JUDGE THE GOLF CART PARADE.

IT WAS A GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT. A LOT OF SMILING FACES EVERYWHERE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THESE ARE EVENTS LIKE THIS HAPPENING ALL OVER ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THIS TIME A YEAR. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY LISTENING TO GET OUT THERE, MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS, OR YOUR MASKS BUT MEET YOUR NEIGHBORS. AND JUST REVEALS THE TRUE HEART OF THIS COMMUNITY. I HAD A GREAT TIME THIS WEEKEND AND I KNOW ANYBODY WHO ATTENDED

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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I KNOW WE WON'T BE MEETING AGAIN UNTIL JANUARY. FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE CHRISTIANS, LET US NEVER FORGET JESUS CHRIST WAS BORN. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CELEBRATING AND THAT NOT ONLY HAS HUMAN CIVILIZATION, BUT ETERNITY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >>HENRY DEAN : I WILL TRY TO BE BRIEF, BUT I DO HAVE REQUEST OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. LAST YEAR WE HOSTED, THE COUNTY HOSTED A BEACH AND SHORE PRESERVATION AND WILL CONFERENCE AT THE EMBASSY SUITES.

AND IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL AND EVERYBODY LOVED THE AREA THAT NOW THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE ON TECHNICAL BEACH PRESERVATION IS COMING BACK IN EARLY FEBRUARY 2021.

ABOUT TWO MONTHS AWAY. AND WILL BE AT THE EMBASSY SUITES AGAIN.

IT'S A NATIONAL CONFERENCE ON EACH PRESENTATION TECHNOLOGY. WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE STATE BEACH PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION, ALONG WITH 30 OR 40 OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES TO HAVE COASTAL PROPERTIES. AS A GROUP WE LOBBY THE LEGISLATOR FOR FUNDING.

AND THAT IS THE GROUP WE ARE A PART OF. DAMON DOUGLAS IS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS MOST OF THE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT ARE INTERESTED AND ABLE TO BECOME A SPONSOR. WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED TO BE A SPONSOR THIS YEAR. THE AMOUNT IS $3500. AND THERE IS MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DISCUSS THIS WITH STAFF. THERE IS MONEY AVAILABLE FROM THE BUDGET OF WHAT WAS THE VISITORS CENTER FUNDING. IF YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE DID NOT FUND IN ITS ENTIRETY. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TORESERVE . BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT NOW INSTEAD OF ONE BEACH NOURISHMENT PROJECT, WE HAVE TWO GOING ALONG REALLY WELL.

AND THAT POSSIBLY IS 1/3 IN OUR FUTURE. AND SO I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THIS GROUP. NUMBER TWO THAT WE ARE A HOST THIS YEAR AGAIN. AND SO I WOULD REQUEST CONSENSUS, OR IF NECESSARY TO VOTE TO APPROVE $3500 FOR US TO BE A FULL SPONSOR ALONG WITH MANY OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES.

>> WHAT DO WE GET FOR $3500? WHAT DO THE CITIZENS SECURE OUT OF THIS?

WHAT IS THE BENEFIT? >> PROBABLY THE ABILITY TO SHARE IN RECOGNITION.

WE GET RECOGNITION AS THE NUMBER. THAT WE ARE A SPONSOR AND THAT DEMONSTRATES A KEY AND TRUST AMONG OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FROM AROUND THE STATE THAT WE ARE A FULL PARTICIPANT IN BEACH READ NOURISHMENT AND PRESERVATION.

AND IT PROVIDES, I THINK, SORT OF THE STAGE FOR US TO DEMONSTRATE HER INTEREST AND COMMITMENT TO BEACH PRESERVATION. AND GIVEN THE DOLLARS INVOLVED AT THE FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LEVEL, INCLUDING US, FOR BEACH READ NOURISHMENT, IT IS A GOOD EXPENDITURE OF $3500 TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. IS A LOT OF NETWORKING, A LOT OF RECOGNITION THAT WE ARE A FULL SPONSOR.THAT IS WHERE WE STAND.

>> TO OTHER COUNTIES PARTICIPATE IN A FULL SPONSORSHIP OR $3500?

>> YES, SIR. I CAN GET YOU THE LIST. >> PLEASE.

>> PROBABLY AT LEAST 10 OR 15. >> THANK YOU. >> BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, BECAUSE THIS IS A REQUEST FUNDING WHY DON'T WE DO THIS IS A FORMAL MOTION.

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE OF $3500 TO BE A FULL SPONSOR FOR THE NATIONAL BEACH AND SHORE CONFERENCE SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY OF 2021 HERE IN SAINT

AUGUSTINE >> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DEAN , IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND . >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST .

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? >> I WENT TO ONE OF THESE CONFERENCES. IT MAY HAVE BEEN NATIONAL. ONE THING IT DOES BRING IS A LOT OF PEOPLE TO TOWN FOR THEY WILL BE SPENDING MONEY AT THE RESTAURANTS AND STORES.

WHEN HE LEFT THE HOTEL, THE HOTEL IS VERY SMALL RESTAURANT. WE GO OUT AND USE THE EVERYBODY

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FUNDED FROM MONEY WE HAD NOT BE COMING TO RESERVE. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: ANY FURTHER COMMENT? OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE WILL VOTE.

ARMS ARGUMENT CAN BE OPENED UP. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REQUEST FOR FUNDING IS A FULL SPONSOR FOR THE BEACH CONFERENCE? I SEE ONE CALL IN, BUT WE ARE

WAITING IN. >> GO AHEAD PLEASE IF YOU ARE CALLING AND.

>> TOM REYNOLDS, 15 TARGETING COURT SAINT AUGUSTINE BEACH FLORIDA.

THIS IS A GREAT IDEA $3500 PER THAT IS CHUMP CHANGE SO I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU DO THIS AND PLUS, IT IS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, CAN THE PUBLIC GO IN AND SIT IN AND LISTEN? OBVIOUSLY IF WE ARE PAYING 3500 YOU WILL HAVE A COUNTY REP IN THEIR.

COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IS THIS SOMETHING ANYBODY KNOW THE PUBLIC CAN GO IN AND SIT AND LISTEN TO THESE PROBABLY GOING TO BE GREAT SPEAKERS AND LEARN A LOT.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE GOT. THANK YOU. >> TOM, LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. MY EXPERIENCE IS YET TO BE A REGISTERED ATTENDEE BECAUSE IT IS CONSULTING ENGINEERS, CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL .

AND THINK IT REQUIRES A REGISTRATION AND A FEE. BUT I WILL BE GLAD TO CHECK.

MAYBE I CAN CONVINCE THEM CAN COME AS MY GUEST. WE WILL SEE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS?>> MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAD MENTIONED RESERVE SPIRIT AND PRESUME THIS WOULD BE PAYABLE ON GENERAL FUND RESERVES? OR ANOTHER ONE?

SIR WHERE WOULD BE THE FUNDING SOURCE. >>.

[INDISCERNIBLE] WE DID NOT FUND THE CONTRACT COMPLETELY. AND, JESSE WOULD MAKE THAT.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. IT WOULD BE SAVINGS FROM SOMETHING REALIZED DURING THE COURSE A COVID. I WILL GET YOU THE FUNDING SOURCE AND SEND YOU AN EMAIL.

IT WOULD NOT BE COMING ON A GENERAL FUND RESERVES AS IS EVIDENT BY COMMISSIONER DEAN INVOLVED IN. SO WOULD NOT COME OUT. WOULD BE A SAVINGS REALIZED DURING THE COURSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR THAT WOULD OTHERWISE TRANSFER IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. BUT IT CAN BE USED THIS YEAR. WILL PROVIDE YOU THE FUNDING

SOURCE AND IMO FOR MYSELF OR MR. DUNN. >> THANK YOU.

LET'S FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT. >> BJ LADY, WAS CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE.

THE CITY DIDN'T GET THEIR MONEY, I'M ASSUMING. EVEN THOUGH THEY THOUGHT THEY DESERVED IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO ANY WORK DURING THE PANDEMIC.

SO I AM AGAINST GIVING OUT $3500. MAYBE IT COULD BE ON A PRIVATE PEOPLE DOING IT. THEY WANT TO GO, YOU PAY YOUR OWN WAY.

BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF MEETINGS GOING ON ABOUT THE RESILIENCY AND THE WATERS RISING IN ALL THESE CONFERENCE PEOPLE COME IN HERE. LET THEM SPEND THEIR MONEY AND LET THEM PAY FOR IT. I'M GLAD YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE TOM WITH YOU, MR. DEAN.

THANKYOU . >>HENRY DEAN : THANK YOU. I THINK THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC

COMMENTS. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: WE CONCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? PLEASE VOTE.

OKAY. THAT PASSES 5/0. MR. CONRAD, IF YOU COULD COME

BACK TO US. MR. DEAN , BACK TO YOU. >>HENRY DEAN : I WILL SIMPLY ECHO THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS. ONE, I AM SO GLAD THAT THE CHAIRMAN BACK WITH US IN PERSON. I JUST WANT TO HUG HIM. AND NUMBER TWO, I WISH EVERYONE HAPPY HOLIDAYS, HAPPY HANUKKAH, MERRY CHRISTMAS. IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH YEAR.

IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY WE ARE SORT OF TOUGH PEOPLE. WE WILL DO BETTER NEXT YEAR.

THINK 2021 WILL BE A WONDERFUL YEAR FOR US. SO THAT IS MY COMMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SMITH? >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

WELCOME BACK TO IT BUT ALSO, YOU DID A GOOD JOB TODAY. NORMALLY IT TAKES A WARMING UP PERIOD TO BE CHAIRMAN. HE DID A EXCELLENT JOB. YOU DIDN'T TAKE ANY TIME TO

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BUT A VERY GOOD JOB. ADMIRABLE. I WANT TO START THIS BEFORE I GET INTO ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE TO SAY TODAY ABOUT BUSINESS REQUESTS BUSINESS ITEM, IN REGARD TO REZONING 2020 Ã17. THAT WE HAD ON DECEMBER 1. MET WITH BOB PORTER AND ERIC ALLMAN YESTERDAY REGARDING THIS ITEM THAT FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND ON 1 DECEMBER.

I MUST SAY THIS, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE DISSENTING SIDE THAT I BELIEVE PROCEDURALLY I COULD BRING IT UP. AND I WOULD LIKE TO. ALTHOUGH I HAVE RESERVATIONS IN REGARDS TO THE DENSITY OF THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL SEE FAVORABLY TO IT, HOWEVER, I RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER BLOCKER WAS NOT HERE WE DID NOT HAVE A FULL BOARD, THEREFORE I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THE BOARD REHEAR THAT ITEM. THAT IS MY MOTION.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.>JEREMIAH R.

BLOCKER: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST .

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION, LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> IF YOU HEARD THE MOTION TO REHEAR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ZONING HELD ON DECEMBER 1. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT? PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE

AUDIENCE? >> BJ, WAS CITY OF SAINT AUGUSTINE. AM AGAINST THIS.

I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HEARD AGAIN. THERE'S A PROBLEM WHERE IT WAS LOCATED STILL THE DENSITY. IT WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. AND IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP, YOU DON'T GET TO VOTE. BRING IT BACK LATER ON AND THEN YOU WILL CHANGE YOUR VOTES.

HOW IS ANYTHING GOING TO BE CHANGED? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT SO I

DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I DO SEE WE HAVE A CALL IN. TOM, DID YOUHEAR THEY

DISCUSSION? >> HELLO. >> DID YOU HAVE THE DISCUSSION? BUT YES, I DID. TOM REYNOLDS, 15 TARGETING COURT THERE IN THE FIRST OF ALL, I HAVE TO THINK COMMISSIONER JEFF SMITH. I HAVE TO THINK SOMEONE WHO ALWAYS WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK BACK AND SEE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING BETTER.

I LIKE THE WAY HE IS EXTENDED ABOUT TO CHAIRMAN BLOCKER. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WE NEED TO HEAR THIS AGAIN JUST BECAUSE WE DID MISS ANYTHING. I HAVE A LADDER RESPECT FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T SO ABOVE WE ARE WANTING OTHER PEOPLE TO SEE EVERYTHING AGAIN THE COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER BLOCKER AND ALL THE COMMISSIONERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.>>HENRY DEAN : THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING QUICK.

>> MR. CHAIR, IF I MADE. COMMISSIONER SMITH, IF I MAY ASK AS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND UNDERSTAND THE REQUEST. FIRST OF ALL IT IS PROPER TO MAKE SUCH.

IT WOULD NOT BE A NEW APPLICATION. IT WOULD BE A REHEARING OF THE APPLICATION. I WANTED TO ASK THIS PERMUTATION.

IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, POTENTIALLY PERHAPS TO MAKE IT THE FEEDBACK THAT HE HAD PRECEIVED, WHICH ARE MOTION INCLUDE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO GO BACK THERE BEFORE COMING TO THE BCC?

OR SHOULD IT DIRECTLY COME TO THE BCC? >> I DID NOT UNDERSTAND HIM TO BE A REQUEST FOR A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE SO WOULD BE COMING BACK DIRECTLY.

HOWEVER, IF THEY DO SO CHOOSE TO MAKE A CHANGE IT WOULD BE IN MY OPINION THAT THEY NEED TO GO BACK TO PCA. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTING FROM

ME.O IT WAS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD. >> RIGHT.

IF THEY DECIDED TO MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, IF THEY DID, YOUR MOTION WOULD INCLUDE

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>> YES, SIR.>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU PATRICK.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SMITH FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE COUNTY AND I APPRECIATE. UNFORTUNATELY MILITARY DUTY PREVENTED ME FROM BEING ON CALL THAT DAY. ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? IF THERE ARE NOT, IF WE COULD LET THE VOTE. AND THAT PASSES 5/0.

SO STAFF, WE WILL SEE ABOUT GETTING THAT ON THE AGENDA. >>JEB S. SMITH: I THINK WE HAVE DONE MORE VOTING AND COMMISSIONER COMMENTS THAT WE DID IN THE REGULAR AGENDA.

WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND MY CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF DEPUTY KOBE SECOND OR SHOULD I PRAY GOD TO COMFORT AND GRACE WILL ENVELOP HIM AND HIS FAMILY THIS TIME AGREE.

WE WANT TO THANK SHERIFF HARDWICK FOR NOTIFYING US LAST EVENING.

ALSO, MY PRAYERS FOR GODS GRACE AND COMFORT THERE THE FAMILY. HE WAS ONLY 42 YEARS OF AGE THAT IS A TREMENDOUS LOSS TO READ THAT HITS CLOSE TO HOME. ON A LIGHTER NOTE, FOOD FOR THOUGHT CABBAGES BEING HARVESTED. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE DOING IT.

IT IS STEADILY BEING HARVESTED IN MARKETS A STUDY.T IS A GOOD TIME FOR AGRICULTURE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. COMMISSIONER WALDRON BEAT ME TO PUT I'M PROUD.

ALL OUR COUNTY TEAMS HAVE PERFORMED SO WELL DURING THE FOOTBALL PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR.

I KNOW BARTRAM AND PEDRO BOTH WENT GREAT WAYS INTO THE PLAYOFFS AS WELL.

I THINK IT WAS PEDRO HAD TO FORFEIT THEIR GAME. BUT I WANTED TO EXTEND MY CONGRATULATIONS TO LEE HIGH SCHOOL, SAINT AUGUSTINE HIGH SCHOOL FOR MAKING IT TO THE SEMI FINALS. COMMISSIONER WALDRON MENTIONED IT WAS THREE OVERTIMES AND A SCORE OF 48/49 THE LEFT THEM A BIT SHY OF PLAYING FOR A STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.S AN ALUMNI INFORM YELLOWJACKET PLAYER, I'M PROUD OF THEM AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.

THIS TIME OF YEAR MANY ARE CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS AND THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE WELCOMING OF A NEW YEAR. AS WE CONSIDER JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FIRST ADVENT INTO THIS WORLD, I WANT TO REMIND US WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS. JOHN 316 "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVE IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." FIRST TIMOTHY 1:13 Ã15 SAYS THIS IS A FAITHFUL SAYING AND WORTHY OF ALL EXPECTATION IN CHRIST JESUS CAME INTO THE WORLD TO SAVE SINNERS.

WRITTEN IN FIRST CONVINCE CHAPTER 15 VERSES THREE AND FOUR.

FOR I DELIVERED UNTO YOU FIRST OF ALL THAT WHICH I WILL ALSO RECEIVE ANOTHER CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES AND THAT HE WAS BURIED THAT HE ROSE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO HIS SCRIPTURES. I AM JUST THANKFUL FOR THE GIFT IN SECOND CORINTHIANS 916 SAID THANKS BE TO GOD FOR HIS UNSPEAKABLE GIFT.

INTERNET RELIES ON AN AM THANKFUL SALVATION IS FREE JESUS CHRIST.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THE INS MY COMMENTS. >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU SO MUCH COMMISSIONER SMITH. IRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY I HAD SOME GREAT LEADERS TO LOOK UP TO. COMMISSIONER SMITH, WHO DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB AS CHAIRMAN.

I APPRECIATE YOUR LEAD. AND COMMISSIONER DEAN AS A CHAIRMAN.

AND COMMISSIONER WALDRON AS WELL. SO GREAT TO BE BACK WITH YOU ALL AND FOCUS THIS NEW YEAR ON THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. WELCOME TO COMMISSIONER WHITEHURST WHO JOINS US AS WELL. I APPRECIATE THE ATMOSPHERE AS WE WORK AND STRIVE FOR OUR CITIZENS. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.

I HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS TO BRING UP AND I WILL TRY TO GO THROUGH THEM BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR SOME TIME BUT THIS WILL BE OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR.

SO LET ME QUICKLY TRY TO TOUCH ON THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NOTICED TODAY AS I WOULD LIKE TO START A NEW TRADITION OF INVITING CITIZENS IN THE COMMUNITY TO COME AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. I ENJOY HEARING FROM DIFFERENT FAITH LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. WOULD LIKE TO START THE TRADITION OF INVITING DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO COME AND LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I THINK THAT REEMPHASIZES OUR PATRIOTISM.

THEY WOULD COVER THIS, BUT I WAS GOING TO ASK THE STAFF OR SUMMARY OF AN UPDATE.

WE ARE TO COVER THAT IN OUR REGULAR AGENDA. ONE OF THE THINGS GOING INTO THE NEW YEAR, ANOTHER IS A RECENT CASE LAW ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE

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WILL MAKE SURE WE GIVE EVERYONE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR THAT. ALASKA COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND GO FROM THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED FOR CONSENSUS ON THAT, BUT I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE TO LOOK AT OUR PROCEDURES AND GO

FROM THERE. DO WE NEED CONSENSUS? >> MR. CHAIR, I THINK WE

PERIODICALLY DO THAT. I SEE THAT AS A ROLE. >> OKAY COVER THE OTHER ISSUE IS I HAVE ASKED STAFF TO HELP PREPARE A LETTER TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

WOULD'VE LIKED TO TRY TO DO AND I THINK COMMISSIONER WALDRON HAS TRIED TO DO THIS BEFORE.

IS JUST HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITHTHE SCHOOL BOARD TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES WE ARE FACING AS A COMMUNITY . TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR RESIDENTS CONCERNS ARE.

SO MUCH WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD PWORKS WITH, EVEN STATUTORILY I IS A SEPARATE MATTER INTERTWINED WITH OUR DECISION-MAKING. SO I'M GOING TO ASK WE HAVE BOARD CONSENSUS TO GENERATE THIS LETTER TO SEND IT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

IF I SET UP IN A DATE AND AN AGENDA WHERE WE CAN HAVE A JOINT MEETING, A PUBLIC MEETING TO INVITE OUR CITIZENS TO COME. SO IF THERE IS CONSENSUS ON THAT, DOES ANYONE HAVE DISCUSSION OR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I HAD A COPY OF THE LETTER PREPARED IN YOUR REVIEW MATERIALS. WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THAT. I HAD ONE ISSUE COME UP IN MY DISTRICT THAT NEEDS CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND THE OWNER COASTER WATERWAY THAT INVOLVES A WAKE ZONE. THE ISSUE THERE IS SOUTH OF CANAL BOULEVARD. BUT THAT IS A NARROW AREA, PART OF THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF CITIZENS REACH OUT WITH CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THAT SPECIFIC AREA INTERLACE AND HOW THE ISSUES, THE SAFETY ISSUES. SO I HAVE ASKED OUR STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT AUTHORITY, IF ANY, WE HAVE OF THE COUNTY TO ADJUST THE WEIGHT ZONES WILL GET WE DID THIS IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY SOME TIME AGO.

SOPHIA BOARD CONSENSUS ON THAT, WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD DIRECT THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS OFFICE TO BRING US A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I AM WITH YOU. [INDISCERNIBLE] >>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: UNDERSTOOD. PERFECT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DEAN .

COMMISSIONER SMITH?>JEB S. SMITH: WHEN IT COMES TO WEIGHT ZONES, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS WITH EXCESSIVE SPEEDING OF BOATS AND THAT KIND OF THING? BECAUSETHAT IS A PLACE OF COMMERCE AS WELL THAT USES LARGE VESSELS THAT CREATES WAKES .

WHAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM? >> THE SPECIFIC CONCERN WAS THAT YOU HAD INDIVIDUALS ON PRIVATE BOATS RACING AND CREATING DANGER. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PICTURES SENT TO ME. I TALKED TO THREE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS THAT HAD CONCERNS.

NOT COMMERCE. THESE WOULD BE PRIVATE BOAT OPERATORS THAT WERE RACING BY IN A WAY THAT THEY FELT WAS UNSAFE. AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GET AN ASSESSMENT FROM STAFF AND UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE IT WAS MADE AWARE THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT REPORT GENERATED. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WARRANTS AT LEAST LOOKING INTO.

>> I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT IS TOTALLY NEW TO M .

IS IT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE? IS THERE AN ISSUE IN REGARD TO THE SPEED AND RECKLESSNESS OF THE USE OF TEXT VESSELS IN THAT PARTICULAR BODY THAT ALREADY HAS LAW ON THE BOOKS THAT IT IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT LEGISLATIVELY CAN BE FIXED? BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT BEING REDUNDANT, TRYING TO FIX ONE THING AND CREATE A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE OF REPERCUSSION. WE CAN HAVE STAFF LOOK AT THAT.

ARE YOU AWARE WHAT THIS IS? AND CAN ENFORCEMENT HANDLE IT OR DO THEY NOT HAVE THE

CAPABILITY WITH A LACK OF, DO THEY NEED A WAY TO ENFORCE IT? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DO.

IT IS NOT AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE IT OR WHO EVER CONTROLS THE ACCESS POINT. THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE COMMISSION THROUGH WHATEVER PROCESS WITH THE STATE TO DO IT. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS IT

STANDS HERE. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.

[INDISCERNIBLE] VERY LARGE, FAST PLEASURE CRAFT, YACHTS. AND I SAY YACHTS, SOME ARE

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BUT VERY FAST, LARGE PLEASURE CRAFT. AND THEY DO HAVE NO SPEED LIMIT. THEY HAVE NO ENFORCEMENT. YOU TAKE YOUR CHANCES.

AND SO THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA RECOGNIZE THERE'S A PRETTY SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE.

IN THE WAY TO ADDRESS THAT IS WHEN WE DID. A NO WAKE ZONE.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. VERY HELPFUL.

>> I WAS JUST GONNA ASK STAFF. THERE IS A NO WAKE ZONE AND A MINIMUM WAKE ZONE.

MINIMAL WAKE ALLOWS YOU TO OPERATE WHENEVER BOATS AND BARGES THAT COMMERCIALLY.

WILL NOT SLOW DOWN ANYWAY. THEY CAN'T. IT'S LIKE DRIVING A TRAIN.

IT TAKES YOU FOUR MILES TO STOP. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE GET TO IT AFTER USING WOULD BE ADAPT. YOU CAN REACH OUT TO JOSH UNDERWOOD FOR THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT . I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL

HAVING MEETINGS AND UP TO BC BUT THAT HELPS US OUT. >> WE COULD HAVE STAFF REACH OUT TO DEPUTY UNDERWOOD AS WELL AS, REBECCA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INITIAL RESEARCH.

BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK INTO THE MATTER FURTHER AND BRING US BACK.

IF WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM WITH ANALYSIS OF A NO WAKE ZONE FOR THE PORTION OF THE INTERCOASTAL ON THE 210 BRIDGE? NO CALL IN.

ANYONE ON THE AUDIENCE? PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER. >> TO CONCLUDE PUBLIC, YOU WILL

HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION? >> YES, SIR. >> YES, SIR.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: THANK YOU FOR THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK IT HAS BEEN MENTIONEDALREADY. THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT LOST ONE OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THAT FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW HAVING LOST A SON, A FATHER, A HUSBAND . I ASKED EVERYONE TO KEEP IN MIND THE PEOPLE THAT PUT SO MUCH ON THE LINE. THE FIREFIGHTERS, OR UTILITY WORKERS WE ARE ENJOYING OUR CHRISTMAS MEAL THEY ARE STILL MAKING SURE THE WATER IS RUNNING. AND THE FARMERS WHO WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE FOOD ON OUR TABLE. DURING THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, WE RECOGNIZE OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THOSE OUT THERE WHO HAVE GIVEN SO MUCH TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT WILL NOT BE THERE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. JUDGMENT, WITH THAT THAT IS ALL I HAVE.UNLESS THERE IS ANY

FURTHER BUSINESS COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD. >> NOTHING FROM ADMINISTRATION.

>>JEREMIAH R. BLOCKER: OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNTY ATTORNEY?

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>> NOTHING OTHER THAN I REITERATE THE HOLIDAY SENTIMENTS.

AND I AM GRATEFUL TO BE IN THE COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THE BEST LEADERSHIP.

>>JEREMIAH

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