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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE PONT PONTE DEDRA ZONING AND
ADJUSTMENT BOARD. >> I WILL GO WITH THE SCRIPT
READING FIRST. >> WELCOME TO THE REGULAR MEETING. I'M BRAD SCOTT THE CHAIR OF THE AGENCY. BEFORE WE BEGIN LET ME JUST CONFIRM THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS PARTICIPATING BY PHONE CAN HEAR ME. AS WELL AS CALL ROLL FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE IN PERSON. JOHN LYNCH CAN YOU HEAR ME BY
IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND REDUCE RISK OF COVID-19 ILLNESS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION ADOPTED ST. JOHN'S COUNTY EMERGENCY ORDER NUMBER 2020-10 TO PROVIDE PROCEDURES FOR CONDUCTING MEETING USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION AND PUBLIC COMMENT WITHOUT ATTENDING.
ALONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATION THEY CAN COMMUNICATE BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING THE MOVIE OR STREAMING POSTED ON THE COUNTY'S WEB SITE. WWW.SAINTJOHN COUNTY'S FLORIDA.U.S. THE TELEPHONE KNOWN 904-209-2615. IT CAN BE FOUND ON THE WEB SITE.
EVEN IF MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT PARTICIPATE ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING WHO D ADMIT PROVIDE COMMENT AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT.
IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL OR DISCONNECTED PLEASE CALL BACK.
PUBLIC COMMENT LIMITING TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.
THREE-MINUTE COMMENT SPEAKER WILL BE DISPLAYED DUE TO DELAY IN AUDIO AND VIDEO. ALSO SELF-TIME THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT WHEN THEY ARE COMMENTING. PLEASE MUTE PHONE WHILE WAITING TO COMMENT. AND THEN MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING TO AVOID AUDIO FEEDBACK. AGAIN, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATELY 30-SECOND DELAY IN AUDIO AND VISUAL PRESENTATIONS AND THE WEB SITE. IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE WILL RECESS WHILE THEY ARE RESOLVED AND THEN RESUME THE MEETING. MATERIALS FOR THIS MEETING ARE AVAILABLE ON THE COUNTY WEB SITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES.
FROM THERE CLICK ON GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND PONTE VEDRA ZONING AND ADJUSTMENT BOARD.
YOU WILL SEE LINKS. FINALLY IF ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY EACH VOTE TAKEN IN THE MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED BY ROLL CALL VOTE.
NOW IF WE COULD HAVE THE READING OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE STATEMENT.
>> THIS IS HELD CONCURRENCE WITH FLORIDA LAW.
THE PUBLIC WILL GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPIC RELEVANT TO THE BOARD'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AT A DETERMINED TIME DURING THE HEARING. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD WHICH IS AVAILABLE IN FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKER MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.
SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED INTO STAFF.
THE B BE SHALL SPEAK AT TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM FOR LENGTH OF TIME AS DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN WHICH SHALL BE THREE MINUTES. SPEAKER SHOULD IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHO THEY REPRESENT AND THEN STATE THEIR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. SPEAKER MAY OFFER SWORN TESTIMONIES. IF THEY DO NOT THE FACT THAT THE TESTIMONY IS NOT SWORN MAY BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD AND DETERMINING THE WEIGHT OR TRUTHFULNESS OF THIS TESTIMONY.
IF A PERSON DECIDES TO APPEAL ANY DECISION MADE WITH RESPECT TO ANY MATTER CONSIDERED AT THE HEARING, SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDING AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE VERBATIM RECORD IS MADE. WHICH RECORD INCLUDE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE UPON BY THE APPEAL THE TO BE BASED.
ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTATION PRESENTED DURING THE HEAR SUCH AS GRAPHS, CHARTS, DIAGRAMS, PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.
THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARDS OR THE COUNTY AND ANY REVIEW OF THE APPEAL RELATING TO THE ITEM.
THE BOARD MEMBERS REMINDED THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH ITEM THEY SHOULD STATE WHETHER THEY HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING THIS SUBSTANCE OF THE ITEM OUTSIDE THE FORMAL HEARING OF THE BOARD.
IF SUCH COMMUNICATION OCCURRED THE BOARD MEMBER SHOULD IDENTIFY
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THE PERSON INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATION. CIVILITY CLAUSE.WE WILL BE RESPECTIVE OF ONE ANOTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE.
WE WILL DIRECT ALL COMMENT TO ISSUE.
WE WILL AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. >> WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL
[Approval of meeting minutes for PVZAB 6/1/20, 7/13/20 and 9/14/20. ]
OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM 6-1-20.7-13-20 AND 9-14-20. DOES ANYONE SEE ANY MISTAKES OR
ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE MINUTES? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> ON THE MEETING MINUTES FROM JUNE 1ST, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FIFTH PAGE, THE BOARD REPORT I SECOND SENTENCE FROM THE BOTTOM IF THEY COULD CHANGE THE WORD STREET TO TREE.
BECAUSE I WAS REFERRING TO HAVING THE TREE ORDINANCE WAS BEING APPROVED BY THE COUNTY BOARD AND COMMISSIONERS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I NOTICED IS THAT ON THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, THE MEETING MINUTES I KNOW THAT I HAD SPOKEN IN THAT MEETING AND WHAT I SAID WASN'T MENTIONED AT ALL.
JOHN'S CONVERSATION WITH BRAD WAS.
THE ONE COMMENT I HAD I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS ACTUALLY CREATING THE MINUTES IS THAT BRAD WAS MUCH MORE ARTICK LATIVE IN HIS PRESENTATION THAN WITH MEETING MINUTES WOULD REFLECT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF BRAD WAS THERE TODAY WHETHER OR NOT IF HE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT OR WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AS IT IS
WRITTEN. >> AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP AT ALL THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOW ON THE MARKET. AND I'M NOT SURE IF WHETHER OR NOT THAT VARIANCE TRANSFERS WITH THE PROPERTY WHEN IT IS SOLD.
IT'S SOMETHING WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT THE MEETING MINUTES IF THEY DID GET THAT. ANY OTHER CHANGES?
THAT JUST THE COMMENT ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ONE.
>> AND YOU SPEAK BRAD WEST I'M SURE.
>> YES. >> HE'S NOT PRESENT HERE.
THERE YOU ARE. HIDDEN BEHIND THE MASK.
ANY COMMENTS TO BRAD IS OKAY WITH IT AS IS.
AND JUST CURIOSITY. DOES THE VARIANCE TRANSFER TO THE NEW OWNER? MR. CHAIR.
LET ME TAKE A MOMENT TO LOOK AT THAT.
I CAN REPORT TO YOU BEFORE THE CLOSE OF THE METING ON THAT.
>> THANK YOU. AND CAN WE DO CHANGE THOSE THINGS THAT MEGAN MENTIONED AS FAR AS THE MINUTES GO?
OF COURSE WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE CHANGES THAT SHE MENTIONED ON THE 6-1 FROM STREET TO TREE. SHE TALKED ABOUT THE TREE ORDINANCE. I'M A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT THE 9-14. BUT WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENT AS
YOU DIRECT. >> I THINK SHE WANTED THE BRAD HAD A REASON TO UPDATE. HE'S OKAY.
MEGAN, I ASSUME WE LEAVE THAT AS IS.
>> THE ONLY COMMENT I MADE SUBSTANTIAL THAT I DID SAY THAT AREA WHERE THE HOUSE IS BUILT IS CLASSIFIED AS CRITICALLY ERODED.
THAT WOULD BE ONLY MEANINGFUL COMMENT.
>> DO NOTED. >> WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENT PURSUANT TO THIS MEETING AND THOSE COULD BE IN THE NEXT
YOU'RE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE MINUTES THEN?
>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS NOTED.
>> JOHN LYNCH I WILL START WITH YOU FOR APPROVAL.
[Introduction: Growth Management Director - Forrest E. Cotten. (Part 1 of 2) ]
LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR FORR[00:10:08]
FORRESTCOTTEN. HE IS NOT HERE TODAY.HE'S OUR NEW GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.
HE'S COME TO US FROM AUBURN, ALABAMA BUT HE'S ORIGINALLY FROM FLORIDA. AND IS VERY FAMILIAR AND WORKED WITH MANY, MANY YEARS IN FLORIDA.
HE A PLANNER AND WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE HIM HERE IN ST. JOHNS
COUNTY. >> WELCOME MR. COTTEN.
>> HOPEFULLY HE WILL BE HERE SHORTLY.
THANK YOU. >> PUBLIC COMMENT OTHER THAN THE
AGENDA TODAY? >> SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE ON
[1. PVZVAR 20-6 44 Phillips Ave Pool. Request for a Zoning Variance to Section VIII.M of the PVZDR to allow a maximum lot coverage of 44% in lieu of the 40% requirement for Single Family Residential, in order to accommodate construction of a swimming pool in R-1-D zoning. ]
TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE WHICH IS 44 PHILIPS AVENUE POOL.ALLOW MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 44% IN LOU OF 40%.
AND IF WE COULD START WITH JOHN LYNCH AND SEE IF YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH ANYBODY REGARDING THIS?
>> I WENT BY THE PROPERTY. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY.
>> AS WELL DROVE BY THE PROPERTY BUT NOT SEEN MUCH FROM THE STREET BUT DIDN'T SPEAK WITH ANYONE EITHER.
JOHN PATTON? >> DROVE BY THE PROPERTY AND
SPOKE WITH NO ONE. >> MEGAN MCKINLEY?
>> I DROVE BY THE PROPERTY AND HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO ANYONE.
I DID LEAVE A VOICE MAIL WITH THE PLANNER.
BECAUSE I HAD QUESTION REGARDING THE WRITE UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HERE TODAY. >> HARRY GRAHAM?
>> I HAVE HAD NO IDEA. >> SAM CROZIER?
>> I HAVE RIDDEN BY THE PROPERTY AND SPOKE WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
>> I WILL CIRCLE BACK AROUND AND RECALL THAT THE APPLICANT DID CALL ME A MONTH OR SO BACK WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THE AGENDA ITEM PER SE. BUT HE DID ASK IF IT WOULD HELP TO MOVE THAT AGENDA ITEM FROM NOVEMBER BACK TO DECEMBER.
AND I SAID THE BOARD WOULD LOW THAT TO NOT HAVE TO COME DOWN FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND COMBINE IT WITH DECEMBER MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
THAT WAS HELPFUL TO ALL OF US. >> OKAY.
IF WE COULD PROCEED WITH THE APPLICANT.
CHRIS POLENKA44 PHILIPS AVENUE, PONTE VEDRA AVENUE.
I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME HEAR OUR VARIANCE REQUEST.
AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIR, WE REQUESTING INCREASE IN COVERAGE RATIO TO 44% TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SWIMMING POOL.
WE LIVED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW FOR A FEW YEARS.
WE HAVE TWO YOUNG GIRLS AT HOME. REALLY INTERESTED IN BUILDING A POOL TO INCREASE THE ENJOYMENT OF OUR HOUSE.
WE PLAN TO BE HERE A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND ESPECIALLY IF WE CONTINUE TO HAVE PANDEMICS AND QUARANTINING.
INTERESTED IN BUILDING A POOL IN THE BACKYARD.
IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD APPLICATION.
OBVIOUSLY WE WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN.
THAT OUR STREET OUR LOT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY WELL DRAINED SANDY SOILS. WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES ON OUR LOT. NO DRAINAGE ISSUES TO SPEAK OF ON THE STREET. NOT EVEN WITH THE LAST FEW HURRICANES. THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE REALLY DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE AN ISSUE AT ALL.
I THINK STAFF REFLECTED THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THEY MENTION THAT THEY DON'T THINK WOULD LITTLE TO ANY IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. IT'S THE LIMITED DEVELOPMENT AREA LEFT ON OUR LOT AFTER THE HOUSE ITSELF CREATES SPECIAL CONDITION THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT THAT'S OUR HARDSHIP.
WE HAVE DONE SOME RESEARCH AND NOTICE THERE'S TWO OTHER VARIANCES HAVE BEEN GRANTED ON OUR STREET FOR SWIMMING POOLS BOTH OF WHICH WERE AT 45% COVERAGE.
WE'RE ASKING FOR LESS THAN THAT AT 44%.
THAT'S THE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT I GUESS HERE'S THE LOT. SHOWS THE HOUSE.
WE ALREADY DO HAVE PREVIOUS PAPERS FOR THE DRIVEWAY AREA.
AND WE WILL USE PAPERS FOR THE POOL DECK.
IT WILL BE ADDED IN PERVIOUS AREAS.
AND THEN HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE COMMUNITY.
THESE ARE ALL VERY TYPICA 60 BY 140-FOOT LOT BETWEEN A-1A AND
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>> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? >> BRAD, I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> GO AHEAD. >> THIS THE MEGAN MCKINLEY.
WE RECENTLY RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL E-MAIL THAT WAS SENT TO COUNTY FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO LIVED ON SOLANO ROAD.
SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE RUN OFF FROM THE PROPERTY ON SOLANA.
I SHOULD SAY SOLONA. I AM AWARE THAT THE COUNTY CURRENTLY REQUIRED NEW HOMES TO THE BUILT AT HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE PRIOR HOME. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THAT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE IS. I CONDITIONER IF THAT IS EXACERBATING THE RUN OFF. IF YOU REASON ON THE SOLANO ROAD PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE PHILIPS AVENUE PROPERTY AT HIGHER LEVEL.
>> DID THE COUNTY HAVE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THIS E-MAIL THAT THEY SENT IN? .
>> COULD COMMENT SPECIFIC TO OUR LOT.
IT'S 39SOLANO DID THE COUNTY HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH DRAINAGE ON
JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
NONE OF THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED.
I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM ANY ENGINEERS ABILITY A PARTICULAR ISSUE ON TO SOLANO OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T HAVE OUR CHIEF ENGINEER HERE RIGHT NOW.
BROADLY SPEAKING I GUESS I WOULD WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS BUILT I GOES THROUGH ALL PROPER CLEARANCE SHEET APPROVAL. DRAINAGE IS PART OF THAT.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BROADLY SPOOKING APPROVE THINGS THAT ALLOW RUN OFF ON TO OTHER'S PROPERTIES.
>> I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT OUT. COUNTY ENGINEERING STANDARDS
WILL APPLY TO THIS. >> DO YOU RECALL THE WATER FOLLOWS TOWARD THE STREET FROM YOUR HOUSE?
>> OUR LOT DOES DRAIN. IT DRAINS INTO THE SWALE IN THE
FRONT. >> IT SHOULD HAVE ZERO EFFECT IN
THE AREA BEHIND YOU. >> YES, SIR.
>> FOR SOME I REASON. MY COMMENT ON THAT IS THAT ACTUALLY SWIMMING POOL IS ACTUALLY AS RETAINER OF WATER.
THE WATER THAT FALLS RANDOM WATER THAT FALLS IN THE POOL STAYS IN THE POOL UNTIL IT EVAPORATES.
IT WOULD BENEFIT THE DRAINAGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> I DON'T THINK OTHER PEOPLE WILL AGREE WITH ME.
THAT'S MY THEORY. >> THANK YOU.
>> IS THAT A COMMENT HERE? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. IF NOT WE'LL OPEN IT UP.
>> ONE QUESTION I HAVE. I KNOW THAT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, WHEN YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE SOMETIME YOU INSTALL DRY WELL, WHERE YOU CAN TAKE WATER FROM THE VARIOUS PART OF THE PROPERTY AND PUT IT IN THE DRYWALL WHICH WOULD DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF RUN OFF AND MITIGATE FOR INCREASE LOT COVERAGE WITH IMPERVIOUS MATERIAL.
WOULD THAT BE A CONSIDERATION THAT HOMEOWNER MIGHT WANT TO
LOOK INTO? >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS. THE POOL ACTS AS DRY WELL.
>> IT'S A TEMPORARY FILL. SOME HAVE AUTOMATIC OVERFLOW.
DEPENDING ON THE POOL YOU BILL IT MAY OR MAY NOT PUT MORE WATER OFF. IF WE HAVE ISSUE WITH THIS LOT LOCATION WE COULD CONSIDER THAT. BUT TO TRY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT'S NOT BROKEN AT THIS POINT. I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY.
>> YES. >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY FOR THE TWO VARIANCES THAT WERE GRANTED THAT THE APPLICANT SPOKE TO THE ONE 36 PHILIPS AVENUE AND THE ONE 53 PHILIPS AVENUE, DO WE HISTORICAL MEMBER WHAT THE HARDSHIPS BEGIN BY THOSE TWO PARTICULAR APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO HAVING THE --
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>> ACTUALLY. I CHAIRED THAT MEETING.
IT'S BECAUSE THOSE LOTS WERE PLATTED IN THE 40S.
AND THEY ARE JUST SMALL LOTS. AND NONE OF THESE HOMES BEING BUILT THAT WE APPROVED HAVE BEEN LARGE HOMES ASKING FOR MORE THAN WHAT'S NORMAL. NOT OVERSIZED POOLS.
JUST SMALL LOT PLATTED A LONG TIME THAT AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH TODAY'S STANDARD OF LIVING. IT'S TOUGH TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN, IN A NORMAL SETTING ON THOSE LOTS.
THE LAST APPLICANT. HE WAS ASKING FOR 50% AND WE WORKED WITH HIM AND GOT TO 45% TO CHRIS TODAY ONLY ASKING FOR 44%. HE'S UNDER WHAT'S BEEN ASKED BEFORE. AND IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE APPROVED BEFORE. I THINK IT'S LOGICAL WHAT HE'S
TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. YOU HAVE A DITCH IN YOUR FRONT YARD. DOES THAT NORMALLY HAVE WATER IN
THE MAJORITY OF TIME IT'S DRY. IF YOU HAVE PERIODS OF A LOT OF RAIN DURING THE WET SEASON FROM TIME TO TIME IT CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WATER FOR A DAY OR TWO.
BUT AGAIN THAT'S UNRELATED TO IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
THAT'S JUST THE GROUND WATER BEING SEASONALLY HIGH.
YOU KNOW DOOR INTENSE EVENT WHERE THIS IS A LOT OF RAIN.
WE NEVER HAD THE DITCHES OVERTOP OR DRAINAGE.
IT'S ALWAYS CONVEYED TO THE POND AND THE EVENTUAL OUTFLOW.
>> FOLLOWING YOUR DRAINAGE ARROWS.
IT'S ALL DRAINING TO FRONT YARD. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CONSTANT WATER SITTING AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LONG-TERM PROBLEMS, WITH WATER IN THE FRONT YARD IT SHOULDN'T BACKYARD SHOULD LEAD TO THE FRONT. WE SHOULD SEE IT UP THERE.
>> IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTION WE WILL OPEN UP TO
PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'LL HESITATE BRIEFLY FOR DELAYED FOR CALL-INS. SEEING NO PUBLIC.
I WOULD OPEN UP FOR A MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2020-06. >> SECOND?
>> SECOND. >> TAKE A VOICE VOTE.
THAT'S UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. GOOD LUCK ON YOUR POOL.
>> I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE WHAT I CONSIDER SORT OF THE LEGAL OR LEGALISTIC INQUIRY BY MISS MCKINLEY ON THIS.
I FIND THAT YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THE INQUIRY INTO THAT. AT THE SAME TIME I THINK MR. PATTON'S LINE OF THOUGHT. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
IN APPLY YOUTH SPENT MANY YEARS AGO LIFEGUARD AND HAVING TO DEAL WITH POOL LEVEL AND WHAT NOT. AND FOR OTHER THAN VERYICS TRORDNARY CIRCUMSTANCES YOU'RE RIGHT THE POOL DO ACTUALLY COLLECT THE WATER. IT IS IMPERVIOUS OTHER IT WOULDN'T BE A POOL. MOST POOL HAVE 6, 7 OR 8 INCHES OF COLLECTION CAPACITY I WOULD THINK.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE APPLY KABT WAS NO ASKING FOR THE WORLD SO TO SPEAK. THEY WERE WITHIN A FEW PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE CODE PROVIDES.
>> THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD.
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WHETHER THE POOL FOR THE DRIVEWAYS ARE OR CONCRETE PADS.BECAUSE FUNCTIONALLY THEY MAY BE DIFFERENT.
THE BOARD DOESN'T NEED TO DECIDE THAT TODAY.
BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IN THE
[Introduction: Growth Management Director - Forrest E. Cotten. (Part 2 of 2) ]
FUTURE. LASTLY, I HAVE NOTICED IF I MAY MR. CHAIR. HE HAS JOINED THE FORCE HERE.THAT'S COTTEN. AND I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT FOR THE BOARD. THANK YOU.
>> I HAD NOTICED. AND I WAS GOING TO JUMP BOBB TO THAT. WELCOME TO GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR. WE INTRODUCED YOU EARLIER.
GLAD TO HAVE YOU ONBOARD. WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA NUMBER 2
[2. PVZVAR20-07 61 Jackson Ave Porch. Request for Zoning Variance to Section III.B of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations to allow a 16.5 foot Rear Yard setback in lieu of the 25 foot requirement in R-1-D Zoning to accommodate a covered porch. ]
WHICH IS 61 JACKSON OF. TO ALLOW 16.5 REAR YARD SET BACK IN LOU OF 125 REQUIREMENT TO ACCOMMODATE A COVERED PORCH.IF I COULD START WITH JOHN LYNCH AND ASK IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BY OR
SPOKEN WITH ANYONE ABOUT THIS? >> I DROVE BY BUT I HAVE NOT
SPOKEN TO ANYBODY. >> AS WELL I DROVE BY AND HAVE
NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE ABOUT IT. >> AND LET'S SEE JOHN PATTON?
>> SAME. >> DROVE BY BUT NOT SPOKEN WITH
>> I DROVE BUT BUT DIDN'T SPEAK WITH ANYONE.
HARRY GRAHAM. I HAVE HAD NO CONTACT.
>> SAM CROZIER. I DROVE BY AND SPOKE WITH THE
NEIGHBOR AGAIN. >> APPLICANT CAN GIVE YOU A NAME
AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> I'M SCOTT BASLER.
61 JACKSON. AND THIS IS THE 61 JACKSON AVENUE PORCH PROJECT. I WANT TO THANK JACOB SMITH FOR HELPING ME SO MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT. I WAS KIND ANOTHER AT LOGS.
ONE THING TO POINT OUT I'M HERE TRYING TO CORRECT A COUPLE OF MISTAKES I MADE. I DID HAVE ROOF AND WAS
CONNECTED TO THE HOUSE. >> WE HAD TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE AND WORK WITH THE BUILDING PERMITTING OFFICE.
>> THAT'S JUST RECANT OF THE ORRORS THAT WE MADE.
I DID ALL THE WORK MYSELF. I HAD NO CONTRACTORS INVOLVED AT ALL. I DID NOT APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AT 2017. I THOUGHT THAT PATIOS YOU COULD ADD THEM. AND DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON THE ROOF THAT WAS REALLY NOT
OCCURRED TO ME. >> WE'RE REQUESTING 8.5 FOOT ENCROACHMENT. AND THEN WE'LL -- IF WHATEVER IS ALLOWED FROM THE MEETING, THEN WE WILL PROCEED TO THE BUILDING PERMITTING. AND WORK WITH THE PERMITTING OFFICE TO FOLLOW UP TO THE CORRECT PAPERWORK.
JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT VIEWS IN THE BACKYARD. PROJECT BOTH OF THESE OWNERS HAVE APPROVED OUR PROJECT AND THEY HAVE SIGNATURE PAGE IN THE STATING DAY DON'T HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE WORK.
BEN EVANS IS DIRECTLY BEHIND US. I THINK HE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE OF THIS PROJECT. THE FENCE IN DISARRAY.
BECAUSE NOW HE'S REBUILDING THIS HOUSE AND CHANGING IT AROUND.
THEY REMOVED A LOT OF TREE AND IN TURN THE FENCES KNOCKED DOWN.
HE DID APPROVE. HE SAID IT WON'T EFFECT HIM.
AND HIS SIGNATURE IN THE PACKET. BARBARA AND DAVE, THEY ARE TO THE WEST AND THEY DID APPROVE THE PROJECT AND THEY SIGNATURE IN THE PACKAGE. THIS WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT
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2017 LOOKED LIKE. IF YOU INVEST SCREENING THAT.THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ROUGH STRUCTURE. THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE NOW. THIS SIDE COMPLETED.
THE BACKSIDE NOT. THE INSIDE PROBABLY HALF COMPLETED. WE STOPPED WORK ONCE WE STARTED TALKING TO THE BUILDING PERMITTING OFFICIAL.
IT HASN'T BEEN COMPLETED. IT WILL BE TRIM AND PROPERLY FINISHED THERE'S FINISHING WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> JOHN? WHEN YOU DID ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROOF IN 2017. WAS THERE ANY ENGINEERING DONE ON THE ROOF AS FAR AS UPLOAD, STRUCTURAL LOAD?
>> ON PAPER, NO. I AM AN ENGINEER.
I WORKED AN ENGINEERING FIRM. I TOOK WHAT I WAS DOING TO ONE OF MY FRIENDS THERE. HE SAID YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO CALCULATED. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THIS.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE BUILDING PERMITTING IS PART OF THEIR I GUESS REQUIREMENT OR LISTS THAT THEY DO FOR YOU TO GIVE A BUILDING PERMIT.
HAS REQUIRED STRUCTURAL CALCULATION FOR THE ENTIRE PORCH. I HAVE TO GO BACK -- THEY TELL ME VARIANCE APPROVAL FIRST THEN GO BACK TO BUILDING PERMITTING AND HAVE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER APPROVE THE ENTIRE PORCH.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN THE CURRENT CODES.
I >> INCLUDE WHAT CODES DESIGNED.
IF I GIVE AUDIO VISUAL MISTER SPEAKER IF YOU COULD SPEAK
CLOSER TO MICROPHONE. >> DO I NEED TO SAY THAT AGAIN?
>> I THINK YOU'RE GOOD. >> OKAY.
I DO HAVE LIST FROM BUILDING PERMITTING ALREADY.
AND I WAS WORKING WITH THEM AND THEN WHILE WORKING WITH THEM.
WE CODISCOVERED THE SET BACK. ALL WORK STOPPED.
>> AND IN THE DISSEVERALTATION SAID YOU DON'T INTEND TO AIR CONDITION THIS SPACE. NO, SIR.
IT'S NOT CURRENTLY AIR-CONDITIONED.
IT DOES HAVE ELECTRIC. THAT'S ELECTRIC FAN AND COUPLE
OF OUTLETS FOR A TV. >> YES, SIR?
>> THANK YOU. >> COULD I ASK THE COUNTY.
I KNOW YOU TYPICALLY MOVED AWAY FROM COUNTY PRESENTATION.
IN LIGHT OF THIS BEING AN ITEM SEEMED TO HAVE CAUGHT OR SENT BY ANY PRIDE REPORT OR SOMETHING. WHAT INFORMATION CAN THE COUNTY
PRESENT TO US? >> INDICATING HOW THIS CAME
JACOB SMITH WITH GROWTH MANAGEMENT.
I CAN OFFER A LOT OF INFORMATION.
I CAN TELL YOU RECENTLY I SAW THIS APPLICATION COME THROUGH AS A INTERIOR BUILD OUT FOR WINDOWS.
WHICH IS THIS PICTURE I GUESS RIGHT HERE WHERE THE WORK WAS STARTED ON IT. I APPROVED IT BECAUSE I SAW AS EXISTING STRUCTURE RIGHT AND SHOWS UP ON MY IMAGES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. I SEE IT THERE.
DOESN'T TRIGGER ANYTHING FOR ME. AND THEN I GUESS AT SOME POINT WHEN BUILDING GOES OUT THERE. THEY SAID, HEY, DID YOU BUILD THIS. THIS BUILDING IS NOT PERMITTED OR WHATEVER. THAT TAKES US BACK TO THE BEGINNING TO PUT INTO SET BACK SO YOU CAN GET BUILDING PERMIT RETROACTIVELY FOR IT. NOT A WHOLE LOT OTHER THAN THAT
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. >> IS LOT COVERAGE UNDER THE
40%? >> LOT COVERAGE IS GOOD ON IT? THE CONCRETE PAD LOOKS TO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A SUBSTANTIAL PERIOD OF TIME. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE. THIS IS NOT REALLY CHANGING THE OVERALL LOT COVERAGE FROM MY INTERPRETATION.
>> THANK YOU. EVERYTHING DOES DRAIN CORRECTLY TO THE FRONT. WE DON'T HAVE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
OUR END OF THE STREET IS KIND OF THE HIGHER END OF THE PROPERTY.
ALL THE WATER IS USUALLY DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
>> DOWN DO 40%. IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE
ANYMORE. >> STILL OPEN FOR QUESTIONS FROM
THE BOARD? >> MR. SMITH DID YOU SAY ONE OF THE HARDSHIP REASONS WAS BECAUSE YOUR WIFE HAD ALLERGIES AND YOU WANTED TO PUT THE WINDOWS IN. IS THAT IT?
>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WITH THE SCREENING AND
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UNFORTUNATELY AND FORTUNATELY I HAVE THREE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH SCREENED IN PORCH. MOST OF -- PROBABLY ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS THERE WOULD BE MASSIE INFLUX OF POLLEN.IT WAS A POINT WHERE IT WOULD EITHER BE YELLOW SNOW OR WHITE SNOW SHE DOES HARD TIME WITH ALLERGIES.
I WAS HOPING THAT WITH THE WINDOWS I COULD STOP THAT.
AND STOP THE INCOMING. AS I DID NOTE IT'S NOT AIR-CONDITIONED. AND THE WINDOWS WERE -- THE WINDOWS WILL BE SCREENED. IT WOULD ENABLE US TO OPEN AND CLOSE THEM BETWEEN THESE EVENTS THAT WE ALL HAVE DOWN HERE IN
THE ST. AUGUSTINE AREA. >> AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WAS PERMITTED BUT PERMITTED IN ERROR.
>> THIS THE ALL BEEN REALLY BACKWARDS DUE TO MY NEGLIGENCE.
I SHOULD HAVE CONTACTED BUILDING PERMITTING.
BUILDING PERMITTING WAS WORKING WITH US TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT -- I GUESS YOU CALL IT RETROACTIVE PERMIT FOR THIS STRUCTURE. BUT IN THE WALK THROUGH AND IN THE DISCUSSIONS AND I WISH I HAD THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME.
HE -- WE MEASURED AND REALIZED THAT IT HAD GONE INTO THE SET BACK AND AT THAT TIME I HAD TO STOP WITH PERMITTING AND MOVE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE SET BACK.
I RECEIVED A LIST FROM BUILDING PERMITTING THAT HAS ALL OF THE DETAILS REQUIRED ONCE THE VARIANCE WHATEVER IT MARE BE, ONCE THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED TO HAVE TO GO ABOUT GETTING THE OFFICIAL BUILDING PERMIT FOR THIS STRUCTURE.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST STOP. I WILL HAVE TO DO -- I HAVE TO
GO TO BUILDING PERMITTING NEXT. >> THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE MADE A MISTAKE AND BUILD OVER THE LINE. UNKNOWINGLY.
A PORCH NOW THAT HE TRIES TO ENCLOSE IT WITH WINDOWS AND GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS THEY REALIZED HE WAS OVER THE SET BACK AND NOW HE'S ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.
AND ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW HIS 8-FOOT MISTAKE.
IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S BASICALLY SUMS IT UP.
>> THAT'S THE WHOLE SLIDE SHOW. >> BRAD, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
IT'S MEGAN. IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT.
I WAS LOOKING AERIAL VIEW OF THE LOT ON JACKSON.
AND THE NEIGHBORING LOT I BELIEVE IT'S 59 JACKSON AVENUE HAS A LARGE STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.
ALMOST ON THE PROPERTY LINE. DID THEY -- DID WE GIVE THEM A
VARIANCE ALSO? >> FOR THAT STRUCTURE?
>> I CAN'T QUITE TELL WHAT IT IS.
>> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU LIKE.
>> APPLICANT HAS ANSWERS FOR THAT.
>> MEGAN? >> MEGAN, I'VE PUT THE PHOTO UP FOR EVERYBODY ON THE SCREEN. I SPOKE WITH MIKE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, THAT'S A GARAGE.
AND THAT GARAGE WAS I THINK THEY CALL GRANDFATHERED IN.
THANK YOU. THAT'S MUCH BETTER THAN MY DESCRIPTION. BUT THEY DID GET EVERYTHING PERMITTED. I MEAN, AFTER THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. ALL THE WORK IS THROUGH
CONTRACTORS. >> I WAS JUST THINKING THAT STRUCTURE SEEMS MUCH LARGER THAN THE BUILDING ADDITION YOU ARE DOING. BY COMPARISON, MAKE SURE REQUEST FOR THE 8 AND A HALF FEET. IN VARIANCE.
THAT MAKES SENSE. >> ALSO APPEARS TO BE UP AGAINST ALL PROPERTY LINES. THE BACK PROPERTY LINE AND THE
SIDE PROPERTY LINES. >> I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THE RULES. IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK TLT CARD THE COUNTY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THIS ROOFED STRUCTURE IS ON THE PROPERTY AND IT IS CALCULATED INTO THE TAX
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BASE. YOU MEAN FOR THE APPLICANT>> I TALKED TO THE TAX ASSESSOR. THE TAX ASSESSOR DOES THAT ALL THE TIME. THAT'S -- THERE'S A SEPARATION OF RESPONSIBILITY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTION FOR THE BOARD. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO
>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I HAD SEEN ONE CALL WAITING.
NOW IT'S ZERO. I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE WAS ON
AND GOT OFF. >> IF IT POPS BACK IN INTERRUPT
US PLEASE. >> YOU CAN SIT DOWN AND WE WILL PROCEED. NO CALL-INS THANK YOU.
I MEAN IF THIS WAS MISTAKE AND YOU HAD NEIGHBORS UP AND ARMS OVER IT AGAIN IT I MIGHT THINK DIFFERENTLY.
BUT YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR NEXT TO YOU THAT'S ENCROACHED MUCH DEEPER. AND NO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ARGUING THE POINT. MR. CHAIRMAN MY CONCERN WOULD BE AIR CONDITIONING BE PART OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A PORCH. ANOTHER THING TO HAVE PART OF
THE HOUSE. >> I GUESS THAT WOULD BE A REPORT FOR FUTURE. IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN AND BE CAUGHT. WITH NO OTHER COMMENT IT WOULD
BE OPEN FOR A MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE PVZVAR 2020-70, 61 JACKSON AVENUE PORCH REQUEST FOR ZONING VARIANCE SECTION 3-B OF THE PONTE DRA ZONING DISTRICT REGULATION TO ALLOW 16.5 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK IN LIEU OF THE 25-FOOT REQUIREMENT IN RID ZONING TO ACCOME DATE THE COVERED PORCH AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
YOU GOT LUCKY ON THAT ONE. CONGRATULATIONS.
>> THANK YOU WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
[3. Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations Amendments. Update and clarify the existing parking regulations of Ordinance 2006-68 and adopt the language into Section IX.D.11 of the Ponte Vedra Zoning District Regulations. The proposed amendments intend to mitigate traffic congestion and safety concerns relating commercial vehicles parking in the Right Of Way along the roadway. ]
WHICH IS UPDATE AND CLARIFY THE EXISTING PARKING REGULATIONS ORDINANCE FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. I'M JACOB SMITH.THIS AMENDMENTS TO ZONING REGULATIONS.
SPECIFICALLY AN UPDATE TO CLARIFY THE PARKING REGULATIONS FROM ORDINANCE 2006-68 AND TO ADOPT THE LANGUAGE INTO THE PONTE VEDR CODE. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT INTEND TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKING ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALONG PONTEVEDRA BOULEVARD. THIS AMENDMENT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY THE PONTE VEDRA SERVICE DISTRICT.
I HAVE THE CHAIR OF THE MSD HERE TODAY.
TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO YOU GUYS.
AND THEY ARE THE ONES TO PROPOSING NOT DIRECTED FROM THE COUNTY ITSELF. AND TO KIND OF FURTHER CLARIFY THE CHANGES THE LARGEST THING THIS AMENDMENT DOES IS SPECIFICALLY REMOVES LANGUAGE ALLOWING FOR LIMIT REASONABLE DURATION PARKING BY DELIVERY MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR VEHICLES.
THE AMENDMENT FURTHER CLARIFIES THE TYPE OF VEHICLES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY EXCEPTION INCLUDING EMERGENCY PUBLIC SERVICE AND SCHOOL BUSES AND THERE'S ALSO PROVISION ALLOWED FOR MOVING TRUCKS WHILE RESIDENTS MOVE INTO OUR OUT OF RESIDENCE.
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I HAVE PROVIDED THE FULL TEXT IN CASE MR. WESTER HAS ANY REASON TO GO THROUGH SOMETHING SPECIFIC.I WILL LEAVE THAT UP THERE. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. WESTER IN CASE HE HAS ANYTHING HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I GUESS I WILL TAKE THE MIC.
I SERVE AS THE CHAIR. I'VE BEEN A CHAIR FOR ABOUT YEAR NOW ON THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE DISTRICT BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
AND SO WE'VE BEEN AT WORK FOR OVER A YEAR ON THIS.
GATHERING DATA, WORKING WITH OUR MSD ATTORNEY WAYNE FLOWERS.
AND OUR MSD SHERIFFS. WE HAVE FOUR THAT THE MSD FUNDS IN THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM.
EXCLUSIVELY ON THIS AS WELL AS JAN.
I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS HERE.
BECAUSE YOU'RE RESIDENTS. YOU USE THE ROADWAYS.
I THINK WE ALL SEE APPARENT PROBLEMS AS A TRAFFIC IS INCREASED OVER TIME. I THINK THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THE PARKING ORDINANCE WAS A FAVOR TO COMMUNITY.
WAS A FAVOR TO SOME OF THE TRADES.
BUT WITH THE EVERY INCREASE OF TRAFFIC AND ALMOST 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN TO RESIDENT THEN OF COURSE THE BLATANT MISUSE OF ORDINANCE BY MAINLY THE CONTRACTORS ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
I WON'T CALL OUT NAMES OR TRADES.
WE CLEARLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE.
IT'S BECOMING VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
IT'S A SLOLEM COURSE WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING.
YOU WEAVE IN AND OUT. IT'S A CRAZY EXCEPTION.
THEY WILL PLAY GAME WITH SHERIFF'S OFFICE THEY MOVE THEIR VEHICLE FIVE FEET AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT LITERALLY AND SHOW IT TO THE SHERIFF AND SAY YOU KNOW LOOK WE MOVED.
WE ADHERED TO THE CODE AS WRITTEN.
WE ARE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT LOOPHOLE.
THERE'S REALLY NOT GAMES TO PLAY ANYMORE.
WITH INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND HEALTH AND OUR VALUES.
WE BLACK LINED WORDS DISALLOWS TEMPORARY PARKING AND IT'S REALLY MORE OF COMMON SENSE APPROACH.
WITH THIS BOILS DOWN IF YOU ARE TRADE OR LAWN MAINTENANCE PROFESSIONAL. YOU HAVE TO PARK IN THE PLACE YOU SERVE. PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY YOU SERVE.
IF YOUR TRUCK LEAKS OIL. PUT SOMETHING UNDER IT SO IT DOESN'T LEAK. OR THE OWNER CAN FIND SOMEONE TO UTILIZE. IT'S JUST AS BLUNT AS THAT.
CLEARLY VEHICLE LIKE OUR PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLE, POLICE FIRE RESCUE MAIL, YOU KNOW UPS, THEY PARK REALLY QUICK.
THEY RUN IN AND DO THE BUSINESS AND THEY ARE OUT OF THERE.
SOMETIMES TWO HOURS WHEN UNLOADING MULCH AND DIRT OR SOMETHINGS LIKE THAT. WITH MULTIPLE TRAILERS AND REALLY CLOCKING UP THE BOULEVARD AS IF IT'S A PARALLEL PARKING
SPOT. >> WITH OUT NAMING SPECIFICALLY CONTRACTOR IF YOU WOULD NAME TRADES LIKE LAWN MAINTENANCE.
SO WE'RE CLEAR ON WHICH ONES YOU MSD FEELS WHERE CAUSING THE MOST
>> I MEAN, REALLY IS THE MAIN IS THE LAWN MAINTENANCE AND LAWN CONTRACTORS. LAWN SERVICE COMPANY THEY HAVE A TRUCK AND PULLING A TRAILER. SO THEY KNOW THE RULES BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SPOKEN TO MANY TIMES BY THE MSD OFFICERS OUT THERE. WHAT WE TRYING TO DO ELIMINATE THAT. WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR REVISION OF THE CODE. THAT SAYS NO PARKING ON PONTE VAIS VEDRA BOULEVARD. IT'S PROHIBITED.
AND SO THE EXCEPTION CLEARLY ARE SCHOOL BUSES, MAIL SERVICE DELIVERY, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THE LIKE.
AND THEN OF COURSE IF YOU HAVE A MOVING TRUCK THAT NEEDS TO PARK THERE FOR ONE-OFF EVENT. ONE-OFF EVENTS ARE FINE.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE. WE'VE KIND OF VETTED THIS.
WE HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE TRUSTEES AND MSD FOR THIS CHANGE. AND BUT THE ONE-OFF EVENT LIKE MOVING TRUCK JUST DELIVERING FURNITURE AND THEY ARE OUT OF THERE. WE ASK THEY GET PERMIT FOR THAT.
OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE CORRECT FLAGMEN OUT THERE.
FLAG PERSONAL TO DIRECT -- HELP DIRECT TRAFFIC.
BUT THE ABUSE IS REALLY COMING FROM THE LAWN CARE LAWN MAINTENANCE FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO PUT IT.
WE CRAFTED THE LANGUAGE. THE COUNTY REVIEWED.
THE POLICE REVIEWED IT. THEY ARE OKAY.
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THEY BELIEVE IT'S ROCK SOLID TO BASICALLY ENFORCE THAT NO PARKING REGULATION. AND SO WE ASK FOR YOUR APPROVALFOR THIS. >> YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE LAWN MAINTENANCE GUYS OR THE BAD GUYS.
IT'S THE OWNERS THAT WANT THEIR MAINTAIN LAWNS.
THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S JUST NOT ANYWHERE TO PARK, A TRUCK AND TRAILER IN THE -- I'M NOT SURPRISED THERE'S NOT SOME KICK BACK FROM HOMEOWNERS THAT AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION. THEN WE CHANGE THE REGULATION AND THEIR YARD GUY SAYS, WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ALL GOVERNMENT SAID I CAN'T PARK ANYMORE.
I CAN'T DO YOUR LONNIE MORE. WHAT KIND OF KICK BACK WILL WE GET FROM HOMEOWNERS. I JUST WANT TO GET MY YARD DOWN ONCE A WEEK. I DON'T LIVE ON THE BOULEVARD.
I'M JUST LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD. I'M SURPRISED THAT --
>> I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST.
BUT IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. I MEAN OVERALL.
YOU KNOW WE SEE BLATANT ABUSE OF IT.
SOMETIMES IT DOES COME FROM OWNER.
THEY SAY DON'T PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY.
YOU PARK ON THE STREET. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT INCONVENIENCING OTHERS THAT NEED TO DRIVE, BIKE, RUN AND UTILIZE THE ROADWAY AS IT SHOULD BE. BUT YOU KNOW WHEN THEY ARE DOING TEN DIFFERENT LAWN AND THEY USE TEN DIFFERENT PARKING SPACES UP AND DOWN THE BOULEVARD. YOU COMPILE THAT WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAWN MAINTENANCE FOLK WORKING ON DAILY BASIS THROUGHOUT THE MSD.
IT REALLY BECOMES A PUBLIC HAZARD, PUBLIC NUISANCE AND SAFETY ISSUE. AND WE KIND OF STAND BY THIS REQUEST. WE DON'T THINK IT'S A HARD ASK TO IF PLUMBING TRUCK. IF IT'S AC SERVICE TECHNICIAN.
THEY DON'T PARK IN THE ROADWAYS. THEY PARK IN THE DRIVEWAYS.
WHY CAN'T THE LAWN COMPANIES DO THE SAME?
>> LAWN COMPANIES CARRY TRAILERS.
WHEN THEY TAG TEAM AN EFFORT MULTIPLE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS.
I MEAN YOU TALK YOU COULD STRETCH YOU KNOW QUARTER OF FOOTBALL FIELD ALONG THE BOULEVARD.
AND THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE.
NO ONE IS OUT PATROLLING IT. YOU JUST GO.
IT'S REALLY -- IT'S IMPEDING THE CIRCULATION OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. YOU HAVE A LOT OF RUNNER, WALKER, BIKERS THAT ARE STEPPING AROUND SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WITH HAVE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
AND SO THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THEN OF COURSE YOU GOT LAWN MAINTENANCE GUYS THAT ARE PARKED THERE.
WE DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE REQUEST.
IT TAKE AS LOT LESS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO HELP A TRAILER AND A TRUCK BACK IN AND OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR ONE MINUTE GET BACK IN THE TRUCK AND GO DO YOUR BUSINESS IN ANOTHER LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO PARKING THERE FOR 30 TO 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AT THE TIME. AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT SEVERAL DIFFERENT RUNS THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
COMPOUND WITH 20 TO 30 LAWN MAINTENANCE PERSONAL.
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM. I USE THEM AS WELL.
BUT I ASK THEM TO PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY AND THEY DO.
I SAY GET OFF THE STREET. WE' WE'RING TALKING ABOUT THE BOULEVARD.
>> THEY CAN'T PARK ON SIDEWALK. THAT'S STILL IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE DEFINED IT IN HERE.
THEY CAN'T PARK IN DRIVEWAY BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S RIGHT. >> AND IT'S SHERIFF HAVE BEEN PICKING UP IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT OF THAT.
WHETHER IT'S TAILGATES HANGING OVER THE DRIVEWAY OR THE LIKE.
WE FEEL EVEN THE GATED COMMUNITIES THE GATED RESIDENTS.
IF THERE'S A MEAN TO HELP FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY THIS IS IT. THEY CAN PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN HIRING A LIKE I SAID AC CONTRACTOR A PLUMBING CONTRACTOR OR SOMEONE ELSE THEY GENERALLY PARK IN THE DRIVEWAYS. I JUST THINK IT'S BLATANT MISUSE OF THE CODE AND THEY FIND LOOPHOLE AND THEY ABUSE IT.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TRUCK AND THEY PULL THE TRAILER.
IT'S A LOT EASY TO DRIVE AND PUT IN PARK INSTEAD OF PULL NICK DRIVEWAY HAVE THEM HELP YOU BACK OUT.
WE THINK IT DOES MORE DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
I CAN A LOT OF WORK ON THE BOULEVARD.
I'VE SEEN IT IN ACTION. >> WE JUST UNLOADED MOVING VAN ON THE BOULEVARD AND PARKED AND SHUTTLED I DIDN'T KNOW THEY COULD PARK THE MOVING VAN TEMPORARILY.
WE SHUTTLED EVERYTHING FROM MOVING VAN OVER TO THE
WHICH IS HASSLE. IT'S BECOME SUCH A MISUSE OF THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S JUST SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.
AND IT'S BECOME A REAL HAZARD AND NUISANCE FOR NOT ONLY CIRCULATION BUT THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR RESIDENTS.
I THINK YOU CAN ATTEST TO THAT. I'M SORRY IF YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE
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FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND OTHER THAT LIVE ON THE BOULEVARD AND THEY MAY DISAGREE WITH THIS APPROACH BUT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THAT BOULEVARD IS MEANT FOR TRAVEL. OBVIOUSLY AT CERTAIN SPEED LIMIT. NOT THE CONGESTION THAT THECURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS. >> HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER ROADS IN PONTE VEDRA. CAN WE NAME ONE ROAD AND DO THIS
PER SE? >> ACTUALLY WHEN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER ORIGINALLY MAD THE KIND OF NO PARKING LAW ON PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. IDENTIFIED IT AS SORT OF UNIQUE COMMUNITY ASSET. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ONE OR MORE OTHER ROADS COULD NOT BE DONE. BUT LEGALLY THIS COULD BE DISTINGUISHED AND HAS BEEN DISTINGUISHED WITH THE PREVIOUS
REGULATION PERTAINING. >> COULD I CLARIFY ONE OTHER THING? I'VE ALWAYS HEARD.
IF THERE'S NO STRIPE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PARK. IF THERE'S A STRIPE YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THE RULE. GENERALLY SPEAK WITH PARK ALONG THE ROOT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE STRIPE IS THE FACTOR. I THINK IT'S SIGNAGE.
>> I HAD NEIGHBOR WHO WAS AN ATTORNEY WHEN WE IN SAN JUAN.
YOU DON'T PUT A STRIPE DOWN SAN JUAN.
WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET.
>> IF I MAY JUMP IN. WE LOOK AT THAT RIGHT NOW.
BOARD OF TRUSTEES. WE HAD DIALOGUE AND ONE AT THE MEETING NEXT WEEK. IT DOES WE THERE WAS SOMEONE PITCHED STRIPING DOWN SAN JUAN. IT WOULD SERVE TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE COST FOR THE -- WOULD GIVE MORE MINDFUL TRAVEL WHEN YOU TRAVEL TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN. ICOLONELCALLY IF YOU STRIPE A -- DOUBLE STRIPE A ROAD YOU CAN INCREASE THE SPEED LIMIT.
KIND OF DOES A DISSERVICE WITH THE SPEED LIMIT.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IN THE DIALOGUE WE'VE HAD AT MEETING IT DOES ACTUALLY IF YOU HAVE A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE ALONG THE ROAD YOU CAN'T PARK THERE. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND BUT THE SPEED LIMIT CAN BE INCREASED TO 30 MILES PER HOUR.
THEN YOU HAVE A NO PARKING REGULATION BECAUSE YOU INCREASED THE SPEED TO 30 AND DOUBLE STRIPED LINE.
BUT IT KIND OF DOES DISSERVICE. THIS IS SIDEWALK DISCUSSION ALONG SAN JUAN DRIVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE STEERING COMMITTEES GOING AND PLAY RIGHT NOW TO DISCUSS SIDEWALK. THERE'S FOLK THAT SAY WE WANT A SIDEWALK. BUT PUT IT OVER HERE.
EVERYONE IS FOR IT BUT NOT IN THEIR OWN YARD.
WE DISCUSSED HOW TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN AND THEN ALSO PREVENT PARKING. BECAUSE THERE'S AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW. SAN JUAN WITHOUT QUESTION A CUT THROUGH. YOU GET OFF JTB.
YOU TAKE A RIGHT ON SAN JUAN. YOU CUT THROUGH AND GO TO CORONA. I THINK THE WAY IT READS IF YOU DOUBLE STRIPE -- IF YOU DOUBLE STRIPE YELLOW LINE ON ROADWAY YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK THERE.
>> THEN THE SIGN JUST ADD CLUTTER.
THANK YOU. I WILL LET YOU GET BACK TO THE
BOULEVARD. >> THIS ONE I THINK IT WILL HELP CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE IN THE SIGNAGE.
BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN FUNNY IN MY OPINION.
SAID NO MARKING PARKING REGULATION IN EFFECT ON THE BOULEVARD. TO LAYPERSON WALKING UP.
THERE'S NO PARKING REGULATION. I WILL GO AHEAD AND PULL PARK AND DO WHATEVER. WE NEED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THE TEXT ON THAT SIGNAGE. RELATED TO PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD. I THINK WILL HELP YOU AS WELL WHEN WE CREATE NEW SIGNINGS TO GO OUT THERE.
PARKING PROHIBITED ON THE BOULEVARD.
AND WE WILL CITE OUR ORDINANCE CHANGE IF WE'RE LUCKY TO GET THIS THROUGH. WE THINK IT'S A GREAT SERVICE.
WHICH ANY ORDINANCE CHANGE WITH ANY KIND OF RULE CHANGE THERE'S GOING TO BE FOLKS THAT OPPOSE IT, DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT AS I SAID I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A YEAR NOW AS WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE REQUEST. IT'S NOT YOUR PARKING SPACE.
IT'S A TRAVEL LANE. IT SHOULD REMAIN THAT.
THEY ARE CLEARLY ONE-OFF EVENTS. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION.
I JUST WONDERING WHY IS THIS EXCLUSIVELY PONTE VEDRA
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BOULEVARD. I CAN CITE PROBLEMS WITH HIGH NEIGHBORHOOD WITH LAWN MAINTENANCE VEHICLES PARKING IN THE ROAD. IN FACT RESIDENTS PARKING IN THE ROAD AND YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND THE CARS TO GET TO YOUR HOUSE AND BACK. I MEAN ARE WE EXCLUSIVE LOOKING AT PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD OR ALL TOGETHER TO MAKE ORDINANCE RESTRICTING PARKING ON THE ROADWAY?>> IF YOU DON'T MIND. THROUGH THE CHAIR.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE MSD. IT'S AN INTERESTING BREW OF ROADWAYS. LA MASTER AND ROTULE HAD LARGER ROADWAY PAVEMENT THAN SAN JUAN. IN MANY CASES THE BOULEVARD.
THE BOULEVARD REALLY RURAL STRETCH.
RIGHT NOW WHAT WE ARE DOING TRY TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE ON THE BOULEVARD AS IT SITS TODAY. WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE UNTIL SAN JUAN. DOESN'T INCLUDE SAN JUAN OR LA MASTER. WE KNOW THERE'S SOME NO PARKING SIGNAGE THAT WE'VE PUT UPPER REQUEST.
AND WE'VE KIND OF BEEN A STEWARD OF THAT THROUGH THE BRIDGE AND THE COUNTY. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY WE'RE JUST AMENDING THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS IN FRONT OF US JUST INCLUDE PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD.
>> AS THIS IS CRAFTED, IT WOULD SEEM TO EXCLUDE SOMEONE CHOSE TO READ IT THIS WAY. FED EX.
UPS. >> I PROPOSE IN 11:-BE WHERE IT SAYS MAIL DELIVERY WE INSERT MAIL AND PACKAGE DELIVERY
VEHICLES. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S WORDING THAT WOULD HELP CLARIFY THAT. THE OTHER THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS PROHIBITION OF BOX TRUCKS DELIVERING APPLIANCES OR FURNITURE WHICH IS A FAIRLY QUICK DELIVERY.
WE PROHIBITED THAT ENTIRELY. YOU PUT THOSE PEOPLE AT GREAT DISADVANTAGE IF THEY GET NEW REFRIGERATOR.
I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION TO ALLOWING THE SHORT-TERM BOX TRUNKS DELIVERY OF APPLIANCES OR PIECES OF
FURNITURE. >> WE PUT IN THERE -- IT EXCLUDES THAT. WE PUT THAT FOR MOVING IN AND MOVING OUT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN.
WE'RE TRYING TO PREDICT IN THE FUTURE.
SOMEONE PUTTING A MISUSE WITH BOX TRUCK THAT MAY BE MISLABELED. IT WAS LANGUAGE BROUGHT UP WITH TRUSTEES. BUT WE'RE OPEN TO AMEND THAT.
BECAUSE THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ONE-OFF EVENTS IN GETTING A BIG PIECE OF FURNITURE. THEY ARE GENERALLY PARK THERE FOR SEVERAL MINUTES AND UNLOADING.
>> IFFIST RESIDENT IT WOULD BE UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT RESTRICTION.
>> BOX TRUCKS ARE EASIER TO GET IN DRIVEWAY.
>> NOT ALWAYS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE.
>> THE BOX TRUCK OR BEYOND WHAT THE DRIVEWAY DESIGNED.
THEY ARE DESIGN FORD CARS NOT FOR TRUCKS.
I WOULD AGREE HARRY ON THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE SOMETHING IT
WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> I WOULD ALSO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION. YOU GOT A TRACTOR-TRAILER LOAD FULL OF ROOF TILES AND YOU GOT IT LOADED.
HOW DO YOU THINK THIS PROVIDES EXCEPTION FOR THAT?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING YOU PROJECT FORWARD.
IT'S USUALLY PROGRAMMED IN THE CONSTRUCTION SCHEDULE.
AND SO WHAT OUR THOUGHT WAS CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE PERMIT TO PARK THERE KNOWING YOU WILL DELIVER THOSE SPLOOES WITH FLATBED OR THE LIKE. YOU HAVE FLAG THERE HELPING TO DIRECT TRAFFIC. WE KNOW THOSE ARE LIMITED ONE-OFF EVENT. ABUSE COMES FROM CERTAIN
ENTITIES. >> IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR ONE DAY.
IN MY LIFE OF CONSTRUCTION. I COULD NEVER GET MINE SCHEDULED MONDAY FOR ONE TIME AND NOTICE THAT TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE WOULD BE THERE ON THAT DAY. I THINK YOU KNOW TOTALLY
UNREALISTIC. >> WE CAN CRAFT THE LANGUAGE.
>> COULD I ASK JUST MENTION ONE THING.
THE PERMIT FOR "THE WEEKLEY UPDATE WITH BOOST MOBILE"S IN ADVANCE PRIMARILY FOR THE PARTIES SITUATION.
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WHERE YOU ARE GETTING THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE OFFICER TO DIRECT PARKING FOR YOUR EVENT THAT YOU HAVE.I THINK THAT TRACTOR-TRAILER ARE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
I WANT TO COMMENT ON DELIVERY TRUCK.
MOST WHO DELIVER FURNITURE DO HAVE TO TAKE FURNITURE OUT AND THEN THEY TYPICALLY PUT IT IN VARIOUS SPOT WHICH TAKE MORE THAN TEN MINUTES. AND THEN DELIVERY OF APPLIANCE.
THE PERSON WHO DELIVERS IS INSTALLATION COULD BE THERE EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR REFRIGERATOR, EVERYTHING TAKES AN HOUR OR SO. IF THEY WOULD DROP THE APPLIANCE OFF AND THEN THEY DROVE THEIR TRUCK AND PARKED AND DROVE AND WENT BACK. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
BECAUSE IT REALLY IS VERY, VERY CONGESTED.
I THINK THIS ORBEDNANCE IS REALLY NEEDED.
>> RIGHT. I WILL JUMP IN HERE THROUGH THE CHAIR. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE TWO WEEKS ON -- IS NOT FOR THAT TYPE OF DELIVERY.
WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THERE THAT AS LONG AS FLAG PERSON IS PROVIDED AS LONG AS REASONABLY NECESSARY TO LOAD AND UNLOAD.
I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS TO NOT HAVE LAWN MAINTENANCE FOLKS OUT THERE THE ROUTINE CONSTANT PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD.
IF IT'S A REFRIGERATOR OR STOVE IT.
BUT THE OTHER ONE CLEARLY WHEN YOU SCHEDULE A BIG EVENT YOU HAVE POLICEMEN OUT THERE TO HELP YOU WITH TRAFFIC FOR VALET SERVICES AND THE LIKE. THE ONE OFF EVENT THIS IS NOT MEANT TO PENALIZE THE ONE-OFF EVENT.
THIS IS MEANT TO REALLY PROVIDE AN ORDINANCE THAT GETS THE TRAFFIC FLOW BETTER ON THE BOULEVARD AND CREATES MUCH MORE SAFER THOROUGHFARE. RESIDENTS BIKERS AND THE LIKE.
IT'S NOT A VEHICLE SLOLEM COURSE.
>> WE HAD DELIVERIES ALL THE TIME.
THEY COME IN TRUCK. THEY'VE PAID FOR MANY DRIVEWAYS.
THEY JUST WON'T DRIVE ON THE DRIVEWAY.
BECAUSE THE POSSIBILITY OF CRACKING THE DRIVEWAY.
THE LIFE OF THE TRUCKS. CAN'T NECESSARILY MAKE THAT TURN TO GET IN THE DRIVEWAY. AND YOU WILL NOT DELIVERY OF SOME KIND OF 48 FOR CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL KNOW TWO WEEKS AHEAD WHAT DAY WILL COME. THE SHIPPERS YOU WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH THAT. THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
EXPECT THEM TO GET A PERMIT IN TIMES.
I THINK I CLARIFIED THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS MEANT FOR.
IN THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION TO APPROVE THIS TODAY.
NOR COMPLETING WHERE DO WE GO GENERAL IDEA TODAY?
>> I THINK THE MOTION ADDRESSES IT WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL ULTIMATELY WOULD NEED TO BE ADOPTED OR NOT BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
YOU'RE RULE TODAY WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENTS. AS POSSIBILITY REVISED.
OR NOT FOR. AS IS WAY IT IS DELIVERY BOX TRUCK FOR FURNITURE ONE OFF SUPPLIES.
IT'S NOT MEANT TO PENALIZE THAT. >> IF THAT REWRITTEN IN LOGICAL WAY ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES AND DOT THEM AND CROSS THEM TO DADE FOR APPROVAL OVER SOMETHING WE SHOULD MAKE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT THAT COMES IN AND READDRESS THIS FOR FINAL APPROVAL AT SOME
FUTURE MEETING? >> WOO BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS ON THE DOCKET FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS NOW.
I WOULD ASK THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE CONDITION THAT WOW WOULD LIKE TO BE PUT IN FROM.
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WE HAVE BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK. WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THE EDIT BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD. WE WILL PUT THOSE IN.IT'S ON THE RECORD. CHANGES ARE DONE.
AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO BCC FOR FINAL.
>> WE HAVE COUPLE OF MODIFICATIONS TO THIS.
IT'S NOT A PERFECT DOCUMENT. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT STOP.
THERE'S A CLEAR ABUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ORDINANCE.
>> YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT AGREE. FIST WE SEE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN PUT STAMP ON IT AND GOES TO THE BBC AND DONE.
WE MAY HAVE RETHOUGHT THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
>> CAN YOU FEEL COMFORT SAYING WE WILL STAMP AND DONE WITH IT.
HAS THIS BEEN ADVERTISED? LIKE A NEWSPAPER?
>> IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED. IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED FOR SINCE MARCH AT THE MEETINGS IN THE MSD MEETING.
IT'S ADVERTISED IN THE PAPER AND THE WEB SITE.
NOT LIKE OUR ZONING HERE WHERE SIGN OUT FRONT.
>> WE MET ALL LEGAL OBLIGATIONS FOR THE CHANGES THROUGH OUR WEB SITE. WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE READ LEGAL NOTICES. NOW WE'RE BACK TO YOUR MEETING
>> THERE WAS NO GENERAL WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ON IT.
>> IT'S REALLY MEANT TO CLOSE A LOOPHOLE IN THE EXISTING PARK ORDINANCE. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST ITATION BEFORE YOU. I CAN UNDERSTAND TABLING THIS FOR THE FUTURE. BUT SEEING THAT MORE JUST REVISION SOMETHING THAT'S MODIFYING A LOOPHOLE THAT'S ABUSED IN THE PARKING ORDINANCE. THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
BEFORE WEGO TO BCC. >> GO AHEAD MEGAN.
>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.
THEY DO HAVE MINUTE OF THE MEETING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED. WHAT I HAVE LISTENED TO THE GREATEST. THE LAST SENTENCE AND PARAGRAPH D THAT SAYS THIS EXCEPTION DOES NOT APPLY TO DELIVERY OF FURNITURE AND OTHER APPLIANCES. AND WHETHER OR NOT BRAD CAN ASK HIS ATTORNEY TO REDRAFT THAT PUT A WINDOW OF TIME SO THAT THEY DELIVER SOMETHING. THEY WILL DELIVER WITHIN 30 MINUTES. WHATEVER REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. IF THERE'S OTHER PARAGRAPH I COULD HEAR THE ONES SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE OTHER PARAGRAPH TRACKER AS BRAD ALSO MENTIONED CONTRACT -- TO INCLUDE THOSE PARTICULAR CONCERNS?
>> THE BULK OF ORDINANCE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME?
>> YES, WE COULD DO THAT. >> THEN IF YOU BROUGHT BACK TORE NEXT MEETING IN JANUARY, THEN IT COULD BE MOVED ALONG.
>> YES. BY THEN I BELIEVE THEY DISCUSS WHAT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE. IF WE NEED TO REVIOLATES THIS.
TWEAK THE LANGUAGE FOR SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE BOARD
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MEMBERS. WE CAN DO THAT AND BRING IT BACK. I PERSONALLY CAN'T MAKE -- THIS WAS THE DRAFT THAT WAS APPROVED BY RESOLUTION AT THE TRUSTEE MEETING. I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO MODIFY THIS. WITHOUT REPRESENTATION OF ANOTHER BOARD MEETING WHICH WE WILL HAVE NEXT WEEK.THE TIMING RIGHT TAKE THIS BACK. HERE'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
HERE'S SOME CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.
AND I CONSIDER US ALL BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
WE ALL LIVE HERE. I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED EVERY OTHER MEETINGS.
AND WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AS WELL.
JUST OVER THE LAST YEAR WITH REALLY GOING FORWARD THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF PUTTING IT IN ORDINANCE REVISION FORM.
>> THAT'S A MEETING. >> A LOT OF TIME IF YOU REALLY -- IF THEY WANT TO GET THE POINT OUT THEY WILL SEND OUT E-MAILS, PUT IT IN THE LOCAL NEWSPAPERS.
WHEN IT CAME TO TRAFFIC STUDY AND STUFF.
THEY DO SURVEYS. MORE CAN BE DONE TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC. UNFORTUNATELY THE PUBLIC THEY DON'T PAY ATTENTION AND SOME SOMETHINGS CHANGE THEN THEY HEAR ABOUT IT AND THEY GO SCREAMING LIKE THE GATE STATION.
HOW MANY PEOPLE LISTENED GATE STATION THEN MAN ONCE THEY HEARD IT WOULD BE GATE STATION CHANGE IT CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK.
THEY WEREN'T DOWN HERE MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S THE WAY PUBLIC IS. THE MORE WE PUT OUT IN LOCAL NEWSPAPERS AND E-MAILS TO THE MSD RESIDENTS JUST TO SAY, THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
THAT'S WHEN YOU WILL GET FEEDBACK IN TIME FOR THE NEXT MEETING. GIVE US CHANCE TO DIGEST IT TOO.
>> OKAY. >> ONE MORE QUESTION.
PONTE VEDRA IS COUNTY ROAD. STATE ROAD.
>> WHAT ARE THE ORDINANCES AS FAR AS PARKING ON A STATE ROAD?
>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> HOW DOES THIS COMPARE WHERE
THE ORDINANCE FOR A STATE ROAD? >> IT'S A COUNTY ROAD.
IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. >> THIS ONE JUST IS STATE ROAD BUT THE COUNTY REALLY ACTING AS STEWARD FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENT LIKEWISE DOWN TO MSD. THIS HAS BEEN A DERIVATIVE OF THIS JUST ISN'T ONE PERSON IE BRAD WESTER.
THIS HAS BEEN AN EVOLUTION OF CONSTANT E-MAILS, PHONE CALLS TO THE TRUSTEES, SAYING THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM HERE.
AND THEN AT THE MEETING AS WELL AND THEN OF COURSE WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICERS. AND SAYING THAT I HAVE CONSTANT PROBLEM. BECAUSE THEY RESPOND TO THESE THINGS ON THE BOULEVARD. THEY GO THERE AND THEIR GAME PLAYED WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE MOVED A FEW FEET THEN THE
OFFICER CANNOT TICKET THEM. >> I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH WHAT YOU SAY. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE PUBLICLY VET THIS FURTHER. WHAT IT IS GOING TO DO IS BRING OUT THE FOLKS THAT WANT PARKING ON THE BOULEVARD AND FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY GET TICKETED.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, WHAT DO YOU DO? SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE A BOLD DECISION KNOWING THAT PONTE VEDRA IS NOT A PARKING LOT.
IT'S A ROADWAY. BUT THE CONSTANT ABUSE OF IT BEING USED AS PARKING SPOT FOR FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE THERE.
IT'S GOTTEN OUT OF HAND. PONTE VEDRA BOULEVARD HAS BECOME A BOULEVARD. WE'VE SEEN THE UPTICK IN TRAFFIC. AND WITH THAT BECOME HEAVY MAINTENANCE ON THE ROADWAY. IT'S JUST THE TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT IS GREAT. THE LACK OF CIRCULATION AND THE APPARENT ABUNDANCE OF HAZARDS TO BICYCLIST; HEAD ON COLLISION AND TRAFFIC AND THE LIKE. IT'S OUT THERE.
AND IT'S ONLY INCREASING. WITH YOUR REQUEST.
WE CAN PUT THE WORD OUT BUT SOMETIMES AS STEWARDS, ELECTED OFFICIALS ONES THAT TUESDAY ROAD AS WELL.
WE'VE COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT TRIES TO CLOSE A LOOPHOL.
THAT'S ALL. >> IF AT ALL POSSIBLE GETTING TO THIS BOARD I KNOW A LOT OF TIME THEY GET TO US FEW DAYS BEFORE THIS MEETING. IF WE COULD EVEN JUST SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF THE PACKET. IN AN E-MAIL IF YOU GET IT DONE E-MAIL. JUST THIS IS WHAT WE WILL PUT INNIOR PACKET FOR NEXT MONTH. WE REDRAFTED IT.
THE SOONER YOU GET TO HAVE TIME TO LOOK AT IT IS HELPFUL.
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>> OKAY. >> MR. MCCORMACK, IS THE NEXT
MEETING? >> I UNDERSTAND FEBRUARY.
JANUARY IS CANCELLED. >> HERE'S MY TIME LINE.
WE HAVE A TRUSTEE MEETING NEXT WEEK.
I WILL GO THERE AND DISCUSS THE CHANGES.
I WILL GET OUR ATTORNEY TO RED LINE THE CHANGES AND SUGGEST EDITS. WE WILL ADVERTISE FOR OUR JANUARY MEETING. WE MEET THE SECOND WEEK MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH. GIVES EVERYONE TIME AFTER THE NEW YEAR. MSD.
IT'S NOT LIKE JANUARY 3RD. I JUST LOOKED UP THE STATE LAW.
YOU CANNOT PARK IN HARD SERVICE OF HIGHWAY WHERE PARKING SPACES ARE NOT MARKED OR IN SUCH WAY YOU BLOCK OR CREATE HAZARD.
THE PROBLEM IS WE'VE PUT THIS IN A CODIFIED ORDINANCE THAT GIVES WAY FOR TEMPORARY LAWN VEHICLES. THAT'S THE ABUSE.
THEY ARE ALLOWED TO TEMPORARILY PARK THERE.
THEY PLAY THE GAME. IT'S A DOUBLE STRIPED ROAD.
THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT LOOPHOLE.
>> I WILL PLEDGE TO YOU GUY WE'LL WILL ADVERTISE FOR OUR JANUARY MEETING. WE'LL PUT OUT A BLAST THAT COME ONE COME ALL. VIA E-MAIL.
WE'LL PUSH OUT THE NOTICES TO DISCUSS THE PARKING ORDINANCE REVISION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSED AND THE RECENT EDIT BEFORE IT GOES TO BCC. WE WILL COME BACK AND SCHEDULE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU IN FEBRUARY.
AND CLEAR THAT WORK WITH STAFF TO GET THAT RESCHEDULED.
AND WHAT WE WILL DO WE'LL HAVE NOTE AND MINUTES AND WE'LL SEND INVITE TO PIBS FOR JANUARY MEETING AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE NOTES FROM THE MEETING.
WE'LL CARRY IT FORWARD AND THEN WE WILL GET THE SCHEDULE.
IT'S JUST BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.
I THINK YOU'RE INSTINCTS ON THIS ARE CORRECT.
I WILL SAY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER LEVEL EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE THE NOTICE. ET CETERA MAY BRING OUT PEOPLE THAT OPPOSE OUR BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO MARRY FROM THEM TOO. THEY WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERY WHICH SIDE. IN ADDITION TO MR. WESTER'S I THINK ACTION THROUGH THE MSD PUTTING OUT THE NOTICE.
AND THEY DID ALL LEGAL NOTICE THEY NEEDED TO DO THIS ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY NOTICE I WOULD THINK SAIN ST. JOHNS COUNTY STAFF. MAY BE SOMETHING PUT INTO MBR PROGRAM OR SOMETHING TO PUT OUT THAT.
>> FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW THESE JOBS ARE HARD VOLUNTEER JOBS SUCH AS YOU ARE DOING ARE DIFFICULT AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECISIONS BUT THEY DO WANT TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS.
THEY NEED YOU TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
AFTER HEARING REASONABLY HEARING FROM EVERYBODY.
THAT'S IT. >> IF I MAY ONE MORE THING.
>> I APPRECIATE THE TIME. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY YOU WOULD THINK A POOL OR PORCH WOULD TAKE MORE DIALOGUE THAN THIS.
>> I WILL USE THE STATE RULE. WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING MORE LIBERAL THAN THE STATE RULE. WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE ALLOWANCES. THE STATE RULE IS HARD-LINE.
THE ONE YOU READ. I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE WAS TO KIND BACK OFF OF THAT.
AND TAKE THE CODIFICATION OF LOCAL RULES INTO OUR OWN HANDS.
BUT THERE WAS CLEARLY AN ISSUE. WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT.
WE PARALLEL THAT STATE RULE. YOU KNOW IT'S BONIFIED.
NO ONE PARK ANYWHERE ON THAT ANYTIME WHATSOEVER.
>> IT'S A SELLING POINT. THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP.
>> THAT'S THE LANGUAGE. >> AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE AND APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE TODAY.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IT'S AN IMPORTANT ITEM.
>> I WILL MAKE A PLEDGE TO COMMIT TO WHAT I DISCUSSED.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO DISPOSE OF UNFOUNDED RUMOR IT'S ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN FIRM LARGELY PARKING ON THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAYS. THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE FROM MY
UNDERSTANDING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> ANY STAFF REPORTS?
[Staff Report ]
FOR THIS WEEK THIS MONTH? MR. CHAIR, JUST REMINDER THAT JANUARY MEET SING CANCELLED AS WE'VE DISCUSSED ONCE TODAY.YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE IN FEBRUARY.
>> THANK YOU. >> JUST FINAL WAY TO GET US
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DIRECTLY WELL AHEAD OF FEBRUARY MEETING.>> LOOK FOR MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> SO MOVED.
>> SECOND? >>
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