Nov 19, 2020 Planning and Zoning Agency

[Call meeting to order.]

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 19TH OF 2020.

I AM MR. KOPPENHAFER THE CHAIR OF AGENCY.

LET ME CONFIRM THAT AGENCY MEMBERS PARTICIPATING BY PHONE CAN HEAR ME, AS WELL AS CALL ROLL FOR THOSE HERE IN-PERSON.

FELLOW AGENCY MEMBERS WHEN I CALL YOU'RE NAME RESPOND IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. MR. KOPPENHAFER? HERE. MR. WAINRIGHT?

HERE. >> DOCTOR MCCORMICK? ARE YOU HERE? WE'LL COME BACK TO DOCTOR

MCCORMICK? >> DOCTOR HILSENBECK?

>> HERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> MRS. PERKINS IS ABSENT TODAY AND I HAVE THAT WRITTEN HERE.

ALAIMO AND LAST, BUT NOT LEAST MR. MATOVINA? DOCTOR MCCORMICK ARE YOU ON THE LINE? I HEAR NONE SO I'LL LEAVE HIM AS ABSENT.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SCRIPTS HERE TO READ.

>> YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME. >> I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A FEW SCRIPTS TO READ AND WE'LL GET GOING. INTRODUCTION TO MEETING INCLUDE REMOTE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO MITIGATE THE TRANSMISSION OF COVID-19 THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAS ADOPTED ST.

JOHN'S EMERGENCY ORDER 2020-10 FOR PROCEDURES USING REMOTE PARTICIPATION AND TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC A MEANS TO COMMENT WITHOUT PHYSICALLY ATTENDING. LONG WITH PRIOR COMMUNICATIONS INCLUDING E-MAIL, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT BY TELEPHONE WHILE WATCHING VIA GTV OR STREAMING ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. THE TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR THE PUBLIC TO USE TO CALL INTO THE MEETING IS 904-209-1265.

THE NUMBER CAN ALSO BE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE.

IF MEMBERS TO DO NOT PROVIDE COMMENT PARTICIPANTS ARE ADVISED THAT PEOPLE MAY BE LISTENING AND THOSE PERSONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. PLEASE NOTE THIS MEETING IS BEING RECORDED FOR THOSE OF YOU CALLING IN TO COMMENT, IF YOU RECEIVE A BUSY SIGNAL OR ARE DISCONNECTED PLEASE CALL BACK.

PUBLIC COMMENT IS LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER.

WHILE A THREE MINUTE COMMENT TIMER WILL BE DISPLAYED ON GTV AND THE WEBSITE. DUE TO DELAY IN THE AUDIO AND VIDEO I ASK EACH CALLER TO SELF TIME THE THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT WHEN TODAY ARE COMMENTING. PLEASE MUTE YOUR PHONE WHILE YOU ARE WAITING TO COMMENT AND THEN MUTE THE MEETING ON YOUR TELEVISION OR COMPUTER WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO AVOID AUDIO FEEDBACK. THERE'S 30 SECOND DELAY IN AUDIO AND VISUAL PRESENTATIONS ON GTV AND THE WEBSITE IF WE EXPERIENCE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WE'LL RECESS WHILE THEY'RE RESOLVE AND RESUME. MATERIALS ARE ON THE WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA AND MINUTES AND THEN YOU CAN CLICK ON THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND QUOTE PLANNING AND ZONING AGENCY MEETING. YOU'LL SEE THE INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEMS. FINALLY IF ANY MEMBER IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY THEN EACH VOTE TAKEN IN THIS MEET WILLING BE CONDUCTED BY A ROLL CALL VOTE WHICH WILL BE DONE A NUMBER OF TIMES IN THE PAST. THAT'S IT FOR MY SCRIPT SO THAT'S ITEM NUMBER ONE. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS READING PUBLIC NOTICE OF STATEMENT BY MY VICE-CHAIR MR. WAINRIGHT.

JAY LOT OF THIS IS REPETITIVE BUT LET'S GO THROUGH IT.

PUBLIC NOTICE ONE. THIS IS A PROPERLY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING HELD IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE FLORIDA LAW. THE PUBLIC IS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON TOPICS RELEVANT TO THE AGENCY'S AREA OF JURISDICTION AND THE PUBLIC WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER COMMENT AS DESIGNATED TIME DURING TO HEARING.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC DESIRING TO SPEAK MUST INDICATE, EXCUSE ME, SO BY COMPLETING A SPEAKER CARD THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE FOYER. ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS MAY BE HEARD ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIRMAN.

SPEAKER CARDS MAY BE TURNED INTO STAFF.

THE PUBLIC SHALL SPEAK AT A TIME DURING THE MEETING ON EACH ITEM AND FOR A LENGTH OF TIMES A DESIGNATEED BY CHAIRMAN WHICH IS

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SUCH PERSON WILL NEED A RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS AND MAY NEED TO ENSURE A VERBATIM OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE AND THAT INCLUDES THE TESTIMONY UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED.

ANY PHYSICAL OR DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE PRESENTED DURING TO HEARING SUCH AS DIAGRAMS OR PHOTOGRAPHS OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS WILL BE RETAINED BY STAFF AS PART OF THE RECORD.

THE RECORD WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER BOARDS OR AGENCIES OF THE COUNTY AND ANY REVIEW OF THE APPEAL RELATED TO THE ITEM. THREE.

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM BOARD MEMBERS WILL STATE IF THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLEICANT IF SUCH COMMUNICATIO HAS OCCURRED THEY SHALL THEN IDENTIFY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THE MATERIAL CONTENT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS.

FOURTH. CIVILITY CLAUSE.

WE'LL RESPECT EACH OTHER EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE AND DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS.

>> THANK YOU, CAR ARCHIE. BRADLEY?

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. AS THIS BOARD WILL REMEMBER AT THE NOVEMBER FIFTH MEETING, MR. MATOVINA ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTING AND PARTICIPATING ON AN ITEM REGARDING REZONING 202017 RAVENS WOOD SUBDIVISION PURSUANT TO STATUTE I'M REQUIRED TO READ THE FORM HE COMPLETED AND FOR THIS FORM TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE NOVEMBER FIFTH MEETING SO MR. MATOVINA COMPLETED FORM 8 B, AND DISCLOSED IN THAT, THAT AT A MEASURE CAME OR WILL COME BEFORE THE AGENCY THAT TO THE SPECIAL GAIN OR LOSS OF BUSINESS ASSOCIATE HORTON INC.

JACKSONVILLE IS A MAJOR CUSTOMER FOR HIS BUSINESS AND HE SIGNED AND DATED IT AS OF NOVEMBER FIFTH OF 2020 AND THIS FORM WILL BE MADE PART OF THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THAT MEETING.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK YOU.

UP NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER THIRD

[Approval of meeting minutes for PZA 9/3/20 and PZA 10/15/20.]

AND OCTOBER 15TH MEETINGS. >> I OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I'LL SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECONDS.

THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES?

MR. MATOVINA? >> YES.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> YES.

>> MR. KOPPENHAFER YES. WAINRIGHT?

>> YES. >> HILSENBECK?

>> YES. >> AND DOCTOR MCCORMICK?

>> YES. >> MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

FILE THEM AWAY. >> ALRIGHT.

UP NEXT IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. THIS IS A PART OF THE MEETING WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ALREADY ON TODAY'S AGENDAS. THERE ANYONE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS? DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS

ON-LINE, SIR? >> NO.

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> WE'RE CLOSING PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN GOING INTO ITEM 1. RIVERTOWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT

[1. SUPMAJ 2020-13 Rivertown Water Treatment Plant]

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS HERE? >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.

AS THE APPLICANT COMES UP HERE, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT OUT TO THE AGENCY MEMBERS WITH REGARD TO CONDITIONS THAT WERE NOT ON THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT. THEY'RE NUMBERS SEVEN AND EIGHT IN CONDITIONS AND THEY RELATE TO REALLY COUNTY AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND J MA, SO LONG AS THEY MEET THOSE AGREEMENTS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD GO TO THE BOARD SUBSEQUENT TO YOUR DECISION HERE. THAT WAS JUST AN F.Y.I BECAUSE IT IS INFORMATIONAL AND PART OF CONDITIONS HOWEVER YOU KNOW YOU WOULD INDIVIDUAL THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT BASED ON WHATEVER YOU NORMALLY JUDGE IT ON. NUISANCE, COMPATIBILITY, ET

CETERA. >> FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT WATER USE OR ANY OF THAT LEVEL OF STUFF.

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>> YES, SIR. >> SO MR. CHAIRMAN THAT MEANS WHAT YOU HAVE WHERE IT INDICATES NINE CONDITIONS IT WILL BE ACTUALLY 11 IF THE AGENCY IS INCLINED TO GRANT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY IF WE REMOVE OUR MASKS FOR THIS?

>> YOU MAY. >> THANKS.

I'M MICKEY WILLOUGHBY WITH JPA. >> YOU MIGHT HAVE TO STAND

CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE. >> I'M MICKEY WILLOUGHBY WITH A EA 21 WEST CHURCH STREET, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA AND OUR

CONSULTANTS CD SMITH. >> I LIVE AT 460 BALTIMORE CIRCLE IN FLORIDA. NICE TO MEET YA'LL.

>> GOOD TO MEET YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE RIVERTOWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT PROJECT.

AND WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR ZONING OF THE PROPERTY 0013300050 FOR WATER SUPPLY WELL NUMBER THREE FOR THE PROJECT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? THE RIVERTOWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT PROJECT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED TO PROVIDE AND DISTRIBUTE ADDITIONAL DRINKING WATER TOJ EA SERVICE AREA AND NORTHWEST ST. JOHN'S COUNTY. ONE THING I DID WANT TO NOTE.

I'VE HEARD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT POSSIBLE ODOR PROBLEMS FROM PLANT OR THE FACILITIES. ODOR PROBLEMS ARE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS AND THOSE FACILITIES. THIS IS FOR DRINKING WATER PLANT WHERE WE'RE DRAWING WATER OUT OF THE GROUND SO TYPICALLY WE DON'T HAVE ODOR PROBLEMS ON THE PROPERTY.

IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SO I CAN GIVE YOU AN ORIENTATION. THE FACILITY IS LOCATED SOUTH OF GREENBRIER ROAD AND IN LONG LEAF PINE RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH.

THANK YOU'RE THE THE CURSOR. THAT'S GREAT AND THEN IT'S ALSO IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THE TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL.

THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS WEST OF THE TRAIL HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMEN IS POINTING OUT.

WE'LL HAVE THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT LOCATED THERE AND FOR A WATER TREATMENT PLANT WE NEED WATER SUPPLY WELLS TO PRODUCE WATER AND PUT INTO IT THE DISTRY BUICKS WE HAVE TO HAVE A RAW WATER SUPPLY SOURCE SO WE'RE CONSTRUCTING THREE WATER SUPPLY WELLS AND SOMEONE ON THE TREATMENT PLANT SITE ITSELF AND THE SECOND WELL IS TO THE EAST OF LONG LEAF PINE, SOUTHWEST OF THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THE THIRD WELL SITE HERE IS WEST OF LONG LEAF PINE AND NORTH OF THE TREATMENT SITE.

THAT'S WHERE HE'S POINTING. THAT GIVES YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHERE IT'S AT. BACK UP TO THE FIRST SLIDE, PLEASE? WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE THIRD WELL IS WHAT WE CALL BACK UP WELL NUMBER THREE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE WELLS THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING FROM GROUND WATER TO THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THE ADDRESS IS 7612 LONG LEAF PINE PARKWAY. TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION THERE.

SO CAN WE GO INTO A THIRD SLIDE, PLEASE, SIR? I'LL LET DAVE TALK ABOUT THE ZONING MAPS.

>> WE INCLUDED THESE FOR BACKGROUND MATERIAL.

THAT'S FUTURE LAND-USE MAP. AND THAT'S WHERE THE WELL SITE THREE PARCEL IS AND THE NEXT SLIDESHOWS THE CURRENT ZONING MAP AND WE DELINEATED IN THAT AREA WHERE THE WELL SITE THREE

PARCEL IS AT. >> OKAY.

THAT WAS IT. >> THAT'S THE WELL SITE, BACK UP WELL SITE. THERE'S THE ACCESS ROAD OUT OF PINE PARKWAY AND THERE'S THE OVERALL SITE.

THE WELL IS IN A CENTRAL PART OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND IT'S RECESSED BACK OFFSET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES.

THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER EQUIPMENT ON-SITE.

>> THE NEXT SLIDESHOW AS LITTLE MORE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE

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IN ADDITION, WE HAVE SOME SHRUBBERY AND LANDSCAPING, AND ON THE PLANT OR ON THE WELL SITE, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BUILDINGS OR TANKS OR LARGE STRUCTURES.

PRIMARILY ON THE NORTH END WE HAVE A DRY STORMWATE ATTENTION BASIN AND TYPICALLY IT'S DRY AND WE'LL HAVE WATER DURING A RAINFALL EVENT AND SHORTLY THERE AFTER AND THE WATER PERCOLATES INTO THE GROUND. SOUTH OF THAT IS A CONCRETE PAD THERE FOR THE WELL STRUCTURE ITSELF.

THE WELL, ITSELF, MOST OF THE WELL IS BELOW GROUND AND THEN ON TOP OF WHAT YOU SEE ABOVE GROUND IS THE ELECTRIC MOTOR FOR THE WELL PUMP. SOME HORIZONTAL RUN OF PIPING WITH VALVING IN IT AND ONCE IT GETS OFF THE CONCRETE PAD YOU SEE THE OUTLINE ONCE THE PIPING COMES OFF THAT, IT TURNS IN AN ANGLE AND GOES DOWN BELOW THE SURFACE OF THE GROUND.

IT ALSO SHOWS YOU WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS DRIVEWAYS FOR OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS PEOPLE TO GO IN AND ACCESS THE SITE. WE HAVE INSTRUMENTAL PANELS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SMALL RADIO COMMUNICATIONS TOWER WHERE IT COMMUNICATES BACK TO THE TREATMENT PLANT SITE AND HELPS TO TURN THE WELL ON AND OFF. THAT PRETTY WELL TALKS ABOUT THE SITE AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE'RE HANDLING IT, WE'RE GOING TO PLAN ON CONSTRUCTING A PROJECT UNDER TWO COMPONENTS THE.

FIRST CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS TO DRILL CONSTRUCT THE WELLS AND PART OF THAT IS PREPARING THE WELL SITES AND THE ACCESS ROADS GOING TO THE WELL SITES AND THAT'S A SPECIALIZED PIECE OF WORK SO WE'LL HAVE A CONTRACTOR DOING THAT.

WE HAVE THAT OUT FOR BID NOW BASED TOP ASSUMPTION THAT WE CAN GET APPROVAL WE NEED FROM ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

THE SECOND COMPONENT IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND THE WELL HEAD ASSEMBLIES.

THE FIRST PUTS IN A WELL AND THE CASING, BUT DOES NOT INSTALL THE PUMP AND THE SECOND CONTRACTOR WILL INSTALL THE PUMP, ELECTRIC MOTOR, THE PIPING AND THE CONTROLS AND ELECTRICAL POWER, AND IT'LL ALSO DO THE FINAL LANDSCAPING OF THE WELL SITE AND INSTALL THE FINAL SECURITY AND THE LANDSCAPING FEATURES.

WE HAVE IT SET UP ON TWO CONTRACTORS BASED ON THE SPECIALIZED NATURE OF THE WORK INVOLVED.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? SCHEDULE WISE, THE PART ONE ON THE DRILLING, LIKE BEFORE, WE HAVE THAT SET UP, WELL WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE BIDDING PHASE NOW AND WE'RE PLAN ON RECEIVING BIDS DURING EARLY DECEMBER AND GOING THROUGH OUR AWARD PROCESS AND CONTINGENT ON RECEIVING AN APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY, WE LOOK AT STARTING CONSTRUCTION SOME TIME IN THE MARCH AND APRIL TIMEFRAME AT THE WELL SITE THREE AND LOOKING AT ABOUT A YEAR FOR TOTAL ACTIVITIES THAT WOULD PUT US IN COMPLETION AROUND MAY OF 2022 FOR THE DRILLING OF THE WELL. THE PART TWO CONTRACTOR, LOOKING AT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THERE, IT WOULD PICK UP WHENEVER THE PART ONE CONTRACTOR COMPLETED HIS WORK AND TURNED IT OVER. THAT WOULD BE IN MAY OF 2022 WITH COMPLETION OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE PUMP AND THE ELECTRIC MOTOR AND THE REST OF THE WORK AROUND NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2022. THAT LINES UP WITH THE PROJECTED END OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE TREATMENT PLANT ITSELF IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 22. THESE ARE ESTIMATED TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AS PERMITS AND ALSO, IT IS A FUNCTION OF THE APPROVALS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUTJE IS THE OWNER.

CDC SMITH AND THE ENGINEER CONSULTANT IS JASON'S ENGINEERING AND THE PIPELINE IS FOUR WATERS ENGINEERING.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE? WE DO HAVE TO MANAGE OUR PROJECTS WITHIN BUDGETS. WE HAVE OUR BACK UP WELL SET UP AS AN ALTERNATE BID ITEM. WE CONSTRUCT ALL THE FACILITIES UP FRONT AND MADE SURE IT'S MORE COORDINATED IF WE RUN INTO PROBLEMS MONEY WISE AND THE BIDS COME IN HIGHER THAN EXPECTED, WE THEN HAVE OPTIONS TO MOVE WELL NUMBER THREE OUT, BUT IT'S MORE

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IN REGARD TO THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS I DID WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT WE UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT THE APPROVAL CONDITIONS FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, HOWEVER,J EA MAY REQUEST ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY REGARDING CLARIFICATION OF THE MOU IN THE FUTURE.

AND ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS WAS, WHERE WE HAVE TO OBTAIN THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER AS APPROVAL, WE WOULD APPRECIATE WHATEVER INSTRUCTIONS THERE ARE ON WHAT DO WE NEED FROM, WHAT INFORMATION DOES THE COUNTY WANT SO WE KNOW WHAT INFORMATION PACKAGE TO PRESENT AND PREPARE TO OBTAIN APPROVAL.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? >> WE'LL GO AROUND AND ASK.

WE'RE DOING TO DO THIS, WELL LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER CARDS?

ANY ON-LINE, SIR? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> OKAY. THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL LIST AND SOME OF US REMOTE WILL DO IT THAT WAY AND THEN SOME OF US ARE HERE AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT. FIRST ON THE LIST IS MR.

MATOVINA. >> NO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION AND

NO QUESTIONS. >> MR. LION ALAIMO?

>> WILL IT BE MANED? >> NOT FULL-TIME MANNED AND WHEN WE SAY SITES WE HAVE THREE. AS THE TREATMENT PLANT, WE'LL HAVE AN OPERATOR GO THERE AT LEAST SIX DAYS A WEEK AND CHECK THE STATUS OF THE EQUIPMENT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS FUNCTIONING PROPERLY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE DEMAND CONTINUOUSLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER, NO EX PARTE.

COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS. THIS IS FOR POTABLE WATER IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTY. WHAT DIAMETER DOES IT SERVE OUTSIDE OF IT'S LOCATION AREA? ROUGHLY? WATER IS THERE NOW AND OBVIOUSLY TO THE RESIDENCES AND SCHOOL

AROUND IT. >> I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. I'LL HAVE TO GET AN ANSWER.

>> I'M MORE CURIOUS. THE WATER SERVICE IS THERE NOW

THOUGH, RUN BY,J EA? >> CORRECT.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GROWTH AND WE NEED TO SUPPLY WATER TO MEET

THE GROWTH DEMANDS. >> DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WATER EVER STOPS US. IT'S ALWAYS TRAFFIC.

MR. WAINRIGHT? EX PARTE OR COMMENT?

>> NO EX PARTE. I HAVE ONE CURIOSITY QUESTION AND ONE ABOUT THE ISSUE. I'LL WAIT.

THE CURIOSITY QUESTION FIRST. HOW DEEP IS THE WELL?

>> LITTLE OVER 600 FEET DEEP. >> THE TWO ISSUE QUESTIONS.

ONE, AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS, THE VISIBILITY INTO THE SITE, WILL THE VEGETATION THAT YOU PROPOSE, WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO SEE IN THE SITE OR WILL THEIR VISIBILITY BE OBSTRUCTED?

>> GOOD QUESTION. ONE THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION, BUT OUR SECURITY FENCING WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING PRI PRIVACY SLATS BUILT IN ADDITION TO THE LANDSCAPING MATERIALSS. THAT CORRECT, DAVE?

>> ACTUALLY IT'S FENCE MATERIAL AND THEN THERE'S LANDSCAPE AND ADDITIONAL TREES AND PLANTINGS AND THEY'RE ALL 4 OR 500 FEET SET-BACK APPROXIMATELY, SO THE LIKELIHOOD TO SEE IT FROM THE ROAD, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A LOT OF VISIBILITY.

>> THANK YOU. AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS AND PEOPLE GO BY THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA THEY DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR FACILITY ALTHOUGH THERE'S NOTHING UNATTRACTIVE ABOUT IT.

>> RIGHT. >> LET ME SEE.

THERE WAS ONE. THAT TAKES CARE OF MY QUESTIONS,

YES. >> I HAVE A QUICK ONE, TO BUTT IN. THERE'S A LOT OF CONTOUR LINES AROUND THE SITE. ARE YOU GOING TO ELEVATE THAT? TO WHAT ELEVATION AND WHERE DOES THIS, WE HAVE THIS FENCE RULE

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>> RIGHT. WE'RE PUTTING THREE OR FOUR FEET OF FILL IN SITE BECAUSE IT'S PARTIALLY IN A WETLANDS AREA AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS A WETLANDS AREA SO WE'RE NOT DEVELOPING THAT, BUT WE HAVE TO BUILD PART OF THAT UP TO PUT IT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN, SO THE ELEVATION IS AROUND 29 TO

30 PLUS, OR MINUS. >> OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST NOW, DOCTOR HILSENBECK?

>> NO EX PARTE AND MR. WAINRIGHT ASKED MY FIRST QUESTION, AND YOU, MR. CHAIR, ASKED MY SECOND QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND OR COMMENTS. I WAS WONDERING ON THE OTHER WELL SITES, THE ONE AT THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY AND THE WELL SITE NUMBER TWO, IF THOSE ARE OPERATION RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY MILLION GALLONS PER DAY ARE THOSE PUMPING?

>> NO, SIR. NONE OF THE WELLS HAVE BEEN

CONSTRUCTED. >> OKAY.

ALSO HOW MUCH THEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE EACH OF THOSE OTHER

WELLS WILL PRODUCE? >> WE'RE ACTUALLY, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, THAT'S THE REASON WE HAD ONE OF OUR ITEMS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY FOLLOW UP WITH THE COUNTY.

WE'RE LIMITED TO TWO POSSIBLE LIMITATIONS.

ONE FOR SURE, IS THE ST. JOHN'S RIVERTOWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THEY HAVE A PERMIT FOR THESE WELLS AND THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF WATER WE'RE ALLOWED TO DRAW ON A DAILY BASIS IS 1.88 MILLION GALLONS THE.

MOU PREVIOUSLY NEGOTIATED BETWEEN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND J EA I THINK WAS AROUND IN 2006, IT REFERS TO MAXIMUM WITHDRAW OF WATER RATE AND IT REFERENCES THE CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMIT AND IT ALSO HAS A 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY NUMBER LISTED IN THERE AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THATJ EA WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK WITH THE COUNTY AND DISCUSS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING ON WHETHER IT'S 1.88 UNDER OUR EXISTING OR AS THE COUNTY SAID 1.5 AND TALK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.

>> OKAY. THAT WAS ACTUALLY MY LAST QUESTION ABOUT CONSUMPTIVE USE PERMITS AND HAD THOSE BEEN ISSUED. OUR AGENDA ITEM HAD STATED THIS WELL OR SERIES OF WELLS IS GOING TO BE FOR 4.7 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER PER DAY WITH A MAXIMUM OF THAT, ARE THOSE FIGURES NOT

ACCURATE ANYMORE? >> I'M SORRY, THAT GOES INTO THE PERFORMANCE CAPACITY OF THE TREATMENT PLANT, OR HOW MUCH IT CAN PUMP OUT IN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

WE'RE LIMITED HOW MUCH WATER WE CAN DRAW OUT OF THE GROUND AND PUT IN THE STORAGE TANK AND PUMP OUT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, BUT THE WATER DEMAND VARIES THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASLEEP AT NIGHT AND YOU GOT LOW WATER DEMAND AT NIGHT, BUT AS THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING AND START TO GET UP AND WASH CLOTHES AND TAKE SHOWERS, THE WATER DEMAND GOES UP AND YOU NEED TO MEET THE PEAK DEMANDS. THE PLANT IS SIZED TO MEET THE WATER DEMANDS OUT IN THE SYSTEM WITH THE PUMPS IT'S GOT, BUT WE'RE LIMITED THE WATER WE CAN DRAW OUT OF THE GROUND.

IT'S MORE OF A PUMPING CAPACITY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS, AND I KNOW YOU PLAN TO DO HORIZONTAL DIRECTIONAL DRILLING FROM THIS PARTICULAR WELL TO THE WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. I KNOW THAT WILL BE UNDERGROUND, BUT DO YOU NEED A RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT? ARE YOU GOING TO ALSO FROM THE OTHER WELL SITE OVER BY THE HIGH SCHOOL, I YOU'RE GOING TO DRILL UNDER LONG LEAF PARKWAY? I WONDER IF ANY RIGHT-OF-WAY IS REQUIRED, AND IF YOU HAVE OBTAINED THAT ALREADY OR SINCE IT'S UNDERGROUND, DOES THAT MAKE

THAT A MOOT POINT? >> YEP.

THAT WAS TWO QUESTIONS. GOING TO THE DIRECTIONAL DRILL PIPELINE. WE'RE PLANNING TO STAY

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THAT WAS FOR THE DIRECTIONAL DRILL PIPE.

FOR THE PIPE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH LONG LEAF PINE FROM EAST TO WEST FROM WELL SITE NUMBER TWO, WE'RE FORTUNATE, DURING THE EARLIER CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF THE EXISTING WATER DISTRIBUTION PIPE, THEY ACTUALLY PUT TWO PIPES IN FROM THE MAIN, THE WATER MAIN RUNS ON THE EAST SIDE OF LONG LEAF PINE AND THERE'S TWO-RUN OVER THAT TREATMENT PLANT SITE BEFORE.

WE'RE USING BOTH OF THE PIPES. ONE OF THOSE WILL BE USED TO TRANSPORT THE TREATED WATER FROM THE TREATMENT PLANT AND PUT THE TREATED WITH A TEAR INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

THE SECOND PIPE WE'RE PLANNING ON DISCONNECTING FROM DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT THAT INTO A RAW WATER MAIN THAT TRANSFERS THE WATER FROM WELL TWO, BEST TO THE TREATMENT SITE PLANT SO THAT WORKED OUT WELL. WE DON'T HAVE TO CROSS UNDERNEATH THE LONG LEAF PINE FROM WELL SITE TWO TO THE TREATMENT PLANT. DID I MISS ANYTHING?

>> THAT'S ALL CORRECT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALRIGHT. >> ALRIGHT.

DOCTOR MCCORMICK ANY QUESTIONS OR EX PARTE?

>> I HAD ANOTHER COMMENT. THERE WAS A BIT OF DELAY HERE AND I'M WATCHING IT ON TELEVISION AND MY CELL PHONE.

SORRY. MY NEXT AND FINAL QUESTION, ALTHOUGH I HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS A GOOD ANSWER ON THE LAST ONE AND IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD AND THOROUGH PLAN.

WITH ENGINEERING, AS WELL. I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY DIRECTIVE FROM THE ST. JOHN'S WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN SEEKING GROUND USE FOR POTABLE SUPPLY FOR NEW DEVELDEVELOPMENT.

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. I KNOW WE HAVE GONE TO THE ST.

JOHN'S WATER DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ABOUT THESE THREE WELLS AND THEY HAVE APPROVED THOSE FOR US.

THANK YOU. >> DOCTOR MCCORMICK ANY EX PARTE

OR QUESTIONS? >> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALRIGHT.

GENTLEMEN DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD?

>> WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND YOUR

CONSIDERATION ON THIS? >> WE APPRECIATE THE DRINKING WATER. THANK YOU.

YOU CAN HAVE A QUESTION. A MOTION PLEASE?

I OFFER A MOTION? >> I HEAR NOTHING.

PLEASE DO. >> I'M IMPRESSED.

YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I'D OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE, SUB 2020 WATER TREATMENT PLANT BASED ON FIVE FINDINGS OF FACT SUBJECT TO NINE CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED FOR IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ONE QUESTION.

DO WE NEED TO NILE THAT AS A BLANK?

>> THE CHAIR WILL HAVE SIGNATURE AND FOR YOUR REFERENCE IT'S AUGUST 2ND OF 2006 AND ADOPTED PURSUANT TO RESOLUTION 2006-190.

WE HAVE HAD ADDED FOR THE CHAIR AND MR. WAINRIGHT IF I CAN CLARIFY, DO YOU MEAN TO SAY IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO 11 CONDITIONS. I THINK THE DRAFT MOTION SAYS NINE, BUT THE CORRECTED ORDER SHOULD BE 11.

>> RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MOTION FOR THE 11 CONDITIONS AND FIVE FINDING?

>> SECOND. >> AND A SECOND ON THAT.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE. MR. MATOVINA?

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO?

>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER YES.

WAINRIGHT? >> YES.

>> DOCTOR HILSENBECK? >> YES.

>> DOCTOR MCCORMICK? >> YES.

>> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS SIX TO 0.

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[2. MINMOD 2020-08 Murphy Pool (009951-0110)]

HOW ARE YOU? START YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> I'M KYLE MARTIN AND I REPRESENT MR. AND MRS. MURPHY AND I REPRESENT KERRY MARTIN POOL BUILDERS, INC. AND WE WANT

TO JUST BUILD A SWIMMING POOL. >> AND FILL IT UP WITH THEIR

WATER. >> YEAH, NO KIDDING.

WE'RE REQUESTING THE OR ASKING FOR A FOUR FOOT SET-BACK IN LIEU OF A 10-FOOT SET-BACK TO ACCOMMODATE A SWIMMING POOL.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS OFF OF 210 STONE CREEK AND THE ADDRESS IS THERE. 271 STONE CREEK CIRCLE.

THESE MAPS, YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE MY BEING A POOL GUY, I'M SURE THIS MEANS SOMETHING TO YOU. THE PUD.

THIS IS MORE INTERESTING HERE, WHERE YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THE AERIAL VIEW IS OLDER AND THE HOUSE IS BUILT NOW.

IT IS THERE. BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE TO THE RIGHT A COUPLE OF HOUSES DOWN THAT THEY HAVE BUILT SWIMMING POOLS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT. THE ISSUE THAT WE'VE RUN INTO WITH THIS PROPERTY IS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS VERY, VERY SHALLOW IN THE BACKYARD. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD THE TAJ MAHAL OR BUILD ANYTHING THAT CAN FIT 20.

NONE OF THAT. IT'S SIMPLY WITH THE WAY THE CODE READS WITH THE 10-FOOT SET-BACK WE'RE UNABLE TO CONSTRUCT A SWIMMING POOL, SO BY RELAXING THAT REQUIREMENT TO FOUR FEET, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD A REASONABLE POOL AND ALLOW FOR FUTURE ENJOYMENT THAT BRINGS UP THE PROPERTY VALUE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD VALUE, OF COURSE.

THIS SITE PLAN WILL SHOW WHAT WE PLAN TO BUILD, HOPEFULLY.

YOU CAN SEE HOW SHALLOW THE BACKYARD IS ACTUALLY.

WHERE AS, IF WE DID A 10 FOOT IT MORE THAN CUTS THE POOL IN HALF AND IT'S UNREASONABLE AND YOU CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE.

AGAIN AND OF COURSE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THAT'S PRETTY CUT AND DRY.

>> ALRIGHT. THANKS.

LITTLE LESS TENSE TAKING MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS?

>> NO, SIR. >> ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON-LINE?

>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> ALRIGHT THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE AGENCY ROLL CALL AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS FOR. MR. MATOVINA?

>> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> NO EX PARTE.

ONE QUESTION. IS THE AREA TO THE NORTHEAST BEHIND THE BOUNDARY, WELL ONE CHART SHOWS A CONSERVATION AREA.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. YES, IT IS A CONSERVATION AREA BEHIND THE PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT ENCROACH ON TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY AT ALL, WHICH BRINGS ME TO ELEVATION.

ALL OF YOUR ELEVATIONS, THERE WON'T BE A BIG BUILD UP, THE YARD IS VERY FLAT, THEREFORE, THE ELEVATION WON'T BE ENCROACHED UPON. AT ALL.

WE ALSO WILL NOT BE IMPEDING ON ANY OF THE SURROUNDING LOTS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE OR TWO LETTERS OF APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHENEVER THEY DID THE MAIL OUTS, WISHING THEM THE BEST. SO EVERYBODY IS HAPPY FOR THEM

IF THEY CAN GET THE APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> NO EX PARTE AND NO COMMENTS.

>> HAS IT GONE THROUGH THE HOA? >> IT HAS.

APPROVED. >> THANKS.

HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. DOCTOR HILSENBECK?

>> NO EX PARTE. I DO THANK MR. WAINRIGHT FOR HIS QUESTION AND BRINGING THAT UP. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

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MY NEXT QUESTION IS, DID THEY PLAN A SCREENED ENCLOSURE FOR NOW OR THE FUTURE THAT WOULD HAVE A STEM WALL OR SOMETHING TO WHICH THAT WOULD BE ATTACHED AND DEUCE THE ENCROACHMENT?

>> THE COUNTY REQUIRES WHENEVER WE DO A POOL CONSTRUCTION, ANYTIME THAT WE GET A PERMIT THAT WE CALL CUE LIGHT FROM THE WATER'S EDGE. HE IS RIGHT.

THERE IS A CONCRETE LIP THERE. THERE'S ABOUT 18 INCHES BEYOND THE WATER'S EDGE WHERE THE COUNTY DECIDED THAT'S WHAT THEY REQUIRE. WE'RE NOT PREPARING FOR SCREENED INCLOSURE. I BELIEVE THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS SO THERE'S NO PLANS FOR SCREENED IN ENCLOSURE.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

>> YES, THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

AND DOCTOR MCCORMICK? >> NO EX PARTE AND NO QUESTIONS.

I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS THAT

HAVE BEEN ASKED. >> ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I MIGHT ASK A QUESTION?

>> SURE. >> MR. MARTIN? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE BUILDING CODE WOULD REQUIRE, IF THERE'S NOT A SCREENED IN ENCLOSURE, THERE WILL NEED TO BE A FENCE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IS THAT SHOWN ON THE SITE

PLAN? >> IT'S CUT OFF, ACTUALLY.

THERE WILL BE A YARD FENCE AND THE ALARMS ON THE BACK OF IT.

WE STILL MUST MEET CODE. THE SET-BACK IS ONLY JUST THIS PART OF IT. OF COURSE AS THE CONTRACTOR, WE INTEND TO MEET FULL CODE COMPLIANCE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AND ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, OF COURSE, I'LL BE REALLY LOOKING OVER IT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE RIGHT THERE.

BUT EITHER WAY THERE'S A LARM FENCE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION

MORE SPECIFICALLY. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT. AGAIN WE'RE IN THE AGENCY LOOKING FOR OTHER COMMENTS OR A MOTION.

>> I'D OFFER A MOTION UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WISHES TO.

>> I HEAR NONE. >> I DO THINK THAT JUSTIFICATION OF THE EXTREME NARROWNESS AS A JUSTIFICATION IS A BIT OF A STRETCH, BUT STILL, THIS SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME, SO I OFFER A MOTION TO APPROVE MINMOD. AS AN AMENDED TO ALLOW REAR YARD SET-BACK IN LIEU OF THE 10 FEET REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE PLACE MEANT OF A SWIMMING POOL. SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 217 STONE CREEK CIRCLE BASED ON 7 CONDITIONS AS PROVIDED IN THE

STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL DO OUR ROLL CALL VOTE. MR. MATOVINA?

>> YES. >> MR. ALAIMO?

>> KOPPENHAFER YES. HILSENBECK?

>> YES. >> MCCORMICK?

>> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUS SIX TO 0. GOT YOUR POOL THERE.

ALRIGHT. UP NEXT IS ITEM 3.

[3. REZ 2020-18 Tabone]

>> YES. I'M WILLIAM TABONE AND I LIVE AT 2880 OLD MOLETURE ROAD AND I NEED TO REZONE A THIRD OF MY PROPERTY TO, O R TO GET A REFINANCING DONE.

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ZONING ADMINISTERED. >> OKAY.

SO YOU HAVE THE THREE LOTS THERE?

>> YES. SO THAT'S THE LOT I NEED TO REZONE RIGHT THERE WITH THE HOUSE.

AND THEN THE GARAGE AND THE OPEN LOT IS ALREADY OR.

>> ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD? >> THAT'S IT.

>> ALRIGHT. CUT AND DRY.

MOST PEOPLE ZONE UP AND NOT DOWN.

OR THEY PUT A BIG GIANT WELL ON IT.

ALRIGHT. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER

CARDS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO.

>> ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON-LINE. >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> WE'RE BACK AT THE AGENCY. WE'LL ASK IF THERE'S QUESTIONS OR EX PARTE. MR. MATOVINA?

>> NO EXPAIR TODAY, NO QUESTIONS.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> NO EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS.

>> NO EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS FOR ME.

HILSENBECK? MCCORMICK?

>> NO EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS. >> NO.

>> ALRIGHT. THANK YOU.

YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THEN I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL OFFER A MOTION TO RECOMMEND REZ 2020-18 TABONE BASED ON FINDINGS OF FACT?

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL GO THROUGH ROLL CALL. MR. MATOVINA?

>> YES. >> MR. AM ALRIGHT?

>> YES. >> MR. KOPPENHAFER YES.

WAINRIGHT? >> YES.

>> DOCTOR HILSENBECK? >> YES.

>> DOCTOR MCCORMICK? YES YES.

[4. PUD 2020-09 Fountains East PUD]

>> UNANIMOUS. ITEM FOUR.

YOU GOT YOUR REZONING. AND NUMBER FOUR, MR. WESTER?

YOU ARE ON DECK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> AND I'M AT ONE INDEPENDENT DRIVE-IN JACKSONVILLE.

THE RECORD MOST OF YOU KNOW ME. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT A LAND-USE PLANNER THAT DOES WORK AT THE LAW FIRM.

WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS STILL ADJUSTING TO THE NEW FORMAT OF THE APPLICANT PREPARING THE PRESENTATION.

THIS WILL TAKE ON A SIMILAR APPROACH TO WHAT A STAFF REPORT WOULD TAKE, AS I GO THROUGH THIS.

IT'LL BE MORE IN DEPTH THAN SOME OF THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS YOU HAVE SEEN TODAY. I WILL BE TIMELY, NONETHELESS.

I HAVE HERE TODAY IS OUR PROJECT.

OUR PUD CALLED FOUNTAINS EAST. AND I'M THE AGENT.

OWNER AND DEVELOPER IS DAVID WITH CROSS REGION'S GROUP AND HE HAS DEVELOPED JUST ABOUT THE WHOLE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF 210 AND 95 AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN A SECOND.POUR ENGINEER IS HE YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT NEEDS HIS RESPONSE.

SO THIS IS A, THIS WILL BE AN AERIAL, THIS IS A 41 ACRE REQUEST GOING FROM OPEN RURAL ZONING TO PUD.

FOUNTAIN'S EAST AND IT WILL BE MIXED USE IN CONCERT WITH THE MIXED USE LAND-USE THAT IS OUT THERE, BUT IT WILL BE A FULL LIVE/WORK DEVELOPMENT AND ESSENTIALLY BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND THESE IN HERE ARE HOTEL. RETAIL RESTAURANT AND PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL OFFICE, OUT PATIENT CLINIC HOSPITAL AND MULTI-FAMILY SO NO SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S THE LOCATION. SEE IF I GET THE BUTTON CORRECT.

THIS IS 210 RIGHT HERE AND THEN 95.

WE'RE ESSENTIALLY IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF 210 AND 95. AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE EXISTING FOUNTAINS DEVELOPMENT, THE ORIGINAL IS RIGHT OFF 210 ADJACENT TO THE TRUCK STOP THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW. HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.

THIS PRETTY CONVENTIONAL RECTANGLE OF 41.33 ACRES AND IT SITS IN THE MIDDLE OF A NUMBER OF DEVELOPMENTS AND IT WITH US LAST REMAINING PIECE THAT WASN'T ZONED PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT

[00:50:03]

PASTURE LAND, PINE AND TIMBER HARVESTING.

THERE'S A MAN MADE POND OUT THERE FOR EXAMPLE CAN INVESTIGATION. CONSTANT ROAD GRADING.

THERE WAS A DIRT MAINTAINED ROAD OUT THERE SO YOU KIND OF GRADE WITH A BLADE FOR DRAINAGE AND WHAT NOT AND THEN THE GENERAL LAND CLEARING. IT'S RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY.

SURROUNDED BY EXISTING AND EMERGING DEVELOPMENTS AND IT'S THE LAST LARGE IN FILL TRACK IN THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT OF 210 AND 95. THIS MIXED USE LAND-USE.

SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENTS AND I'LL GO OVER THOSE IN AN AERIAL IN A SECOND. TWIN CREEKS IS TO THE NORTH OF US AND TO THE EAST. THE INDUSTRIAL PARK PUD IS TO THE EAST. TRACTOR SUPPLY IS BRAND NEW AND UP AND RUNNING OFF 210 TO THE SOUTH.

THEN WE HAVE SEVERAL MOUNTAINS DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS THE EXTENSION OF THE OTHERS.

THIS IS LOCATED AT A COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY INTER CHANGE AND YOU KNOW NOTED BY THE TRUCK STOP THERE YOU HAVE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL USES OUT THERE AND THIS WILL PROVIDE A MIXTURE OF USES FOR COMMERCIAL AND SOME MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, AS WELL. IN FILL PROPERTY AND IT WILL BE DONE WITH THE SURROUNDING EMERGING DEVELOPMENTS.

TO THE AERIALS. APOLOGIZE FOR THE CLARITY OF THIS AND THE RESOLUTION. MY POINTER IS NOTING FOUNTAINS EAST. HERE'S THE SQUARE RIGHT HERE AND THIS WAS THE LAST REMAINING PARCEL THAT'S NOT ZONED PUD FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. AROUND IT IS THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH THAT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO APPROVED AND THAT WAS MY PROJECT A PUD FOR 34 ACRES AND AS YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PUSH OF MEDIA NOTICES, THAT IS THE SAINT VIN VINCENT'S HOSPITAL GOING THERE. TRACTOR SUPPLY THERE AND YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENT FROM THE SOUTH FRONTING 210. THERE'S 1,400 FEET COMPLETELY AND IT'S ACTUALLY UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S SEVERAL BUILDINGS BEING CONSTRUCT AT THE MOMENT.

IT IS A PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL AREA AND THERE'S SOME HOTEL THERE. THERE'S PLANS FOR A THEATRE AND OFFICE, RETAIL, RESTAURANT. REALLY NICE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IN THE CORNER YOU HAVE THE T.A. TRAVEL CENTER.

APPROPRIATE USE AND THEN WHERE MY POINTER IS HERE YOU HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ALONG THERE. IT ISER IS SERVED THROUGH AN I ROAD AND 210. EVERYBODY KNOWS TWIN CREEKS.

LOTS OF GROWTH WITH THAT SINGLE FAMLY, MULTI-FAMILY TOWN HOME AND THE LIKE. SO THIS WILL CERTAINLY HELP TO SERVE THAT DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL. SO THAT GIVES YOU A KIND OF CHARACTER SURROUNDING CHARACTER OF THE LAND-USE FABRIC OUT THERE. I'LL DO THE POINTER ONE MORE TIME. FOUNTAIN'S EAST WAS THE LAST REMAINING PIECE THAT WAS OR AND NOT PUD FOR LONG RANGE DEVELOPMENT. INCLUDING IN OUR REQUEST, OBVIOUSLY IN THE PUD IS 250 HOTEL ROOMS. 280 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL OFFICE.

90,000 FEET OF RETAIL RESTAURANT AND 300,000 OF HOSPITAL, CLINIC AND OUT PATIENT AND SURGICAL. THAT IS ALSO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SAINT VINCENT C CAMPUS FOR THEIR PLANNED GROWTH, AS WELL. 120 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS AND 150 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS IN COMBINATION OF CONVENTIONAL APARTMENTS AND SOME CONDOS, AS WELL.

NO SINGLE FAMILY. AND THAT IS OUR REQUEST.

GOING ON TO THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF, I'LL, WELL LET ME GO BACK. THIS IS THE NEXT SLIDE.

OUR PROPERTY HERE IS, AGAIN HERE'S THE 41 ACRE SQUARE THAT'S OUR REQUEST TO PUD. BETWEEN 95 AND OUR PROPERTY IS THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH PUD THAT WAS JUST APPROVED COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND TAKEN DOWN BY SAINT VINCENT'S HEALTHCARE.

[00:55:03]

THE INDUSTRIAL PARK IS OVER HERE.

SO YOU SEE THE ACCESS POINTS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS. WE HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENT SO IT WILL FEED THROUGH THAT.

BOTH FOR THE HOSPITAL AND THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH AND EAST DEVELOPMENTS AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE PLAN ACCESS ROAD SO THAT'S FOUR LANES OF TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING INTO THAT AND WE WORK WITH JAN ON THAT AND INCLUDING THE, THEY WANTED A TOTAL OF FOUR LANES FEEDING OUT TO 210.

WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY THIS, THE ORIGINAL ACCESS THAT'S A DIVIDED WILL HAVE A SIGNAL GOING THERE AT THAT INTERSECTION.

SO THIS WILL BE A LIGHTED SIGNAL.

THIS ARE BE A DIVIDED ENTRY WAY. INTER CONNECTED TO ALL THE FOUNTAIN'S AND DEVELOPMENTS AND WILL FEED THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH WHICH THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS. IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT DIRECT FEEDER AS APPOSED TO GOING THROUGH THE RETAIL DEVELOPMENTS, BUT IT IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY AND ALL OF THE FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENT, SOLY GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MAN THAT'S THE ZOOMED IN TO THE 41 ACRES AND IT'S FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS.

PARCEL ONE HERE, THIS RETAIL RESTAURANT, MEDICAL OFFICE, OUT PATIENT SURGICAL, AND HOTEL. AND OVER HERE, YOU'VE GOT HOTEL AND SPECIAL CARE HOUSING SO IT'S KIND OF IN IT IT'S OWN BODY FRAMED BY THE WETLANDS THERE. THIS ONE WILL SERVE AND BLEND WITH THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WHOLE THING WILL BE MASTER PLANNED AND SEAMLESSLY TIED TOGETHER THROUGH INTERNAL WALKWAYS AND MULTI USE PADS AND ROADWAYS. ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARCEL IT HAS A COMPLETE USE HERE WITH RETAIL RESTAURANT.

PROFESSIONAL OFFICE AND HOTEL. MEDICAL OFFICE.

MULTI-FAMILY AND OUT PATIENT SURGICAL AND OVER HERE.

THIS ONE IS ONLY DEDICATED FOR MULTI-FAMILY SO THIS IS MORE VERY HIGH END. WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON TAP, BUT THAT WOULD BE A HIGH END MULTI-FAMILY CONVENTIONAL COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE. THE REST OF IT WILL BE KIND OF INTEGRATED AND THAT'S A LAY-OUT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ONLY PROGRAMMING LESS THAN A HALF AN ACRE OF THE WETLANDS IMPACTS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE ROADWAYS THEY HAVE INTER CONNECTING POINTS AND THEY TY IN TO THIS OTHER ROADWAY THAT WILL GO RIGHT NEXT TO TRACTOR SUPPLY, AND LET'S SEE.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE LAST SLIDE.

SO I STAND BY FOR ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

AND I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE OR PUD REQUEST. THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> MR. CHAIR?

>> MIKE? >> IF I MAY ASK BRAD THOUGH, CAN

YOU HAS BEEN RATE ON THE WAIVER? >> ABSOLUTELY.

YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO THE FOUR WAIVERS THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED ARE, EXCUSE ME, I'M TRYING TO GO ELECTRONIC THESE DAYS.

LET ME SCROLL THROUGH HERE. SECTION T IS WAIVER SECTION.

THE WAVES WE ASKED FOR, ONE WAIVER IS FOR THE SPECIAL CARE HOUSING PARKING AND THAT IS ONE SPACE PERSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO THE ONE TO ONE.

ONE SPACE PER ONE UNIT. THE OTHER IS A REDUCTION ON THE CONVENTIONAL PARKING FROM 2.25 DOWN TO 1.8 PARKING SPACES FOR THE CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY AND THAT IS IN CONCERT WITH THE 2017 ORDINANCE APPROVED FOR BEACH WALK NEXT DOOR.

THEY HAD 1.75 AND WE'RE ASKING FOR 1.8.

CLOSE. THAT IS IN KEEPING THAT THERE'S ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING AND SHARED PARKING NEXT DOOR.

THIS WHOLE INTER CONNECTED DEVELOPMENT IF YOU HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAINS, IT'S VERY, VERY HIGH END AND DONE VERY NICELY.

VERY WALKABLE COMMUNITY AND SO THAT'S WHY WE FEEL THIS WAIVER REQUEST FOR THE PARKING IS VERY GOOD FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

[01:00:02]

IT'S VERY SIMILAR. IF WE MAINTAIN THE ROADS AS PRIVATE, THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SIGNAGE ON THE PARCELS AS THEY ARE DEVELOPED FOR THE MIXTURES OF USE.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR AND THIS IS CUT AND PASTE LANGUAGE FROM THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAINS AND THE NORTH DEVELOPMENT.

YOU HAVE BUSINESS PROMOTION OUTSIDE OF WAY FINDINGS AND MORE MONUMENTS TYPE SIGH NAME FOR THE USES.

LET'S SEE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT.

THERE WAS MORE DETAILS IN THERE. THE SIGN WAIVER REQUEST IS REALLY A CUT AND PASTE FROM THE FOUNTAINS NORTH AND SO WE'VE KIND OF ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT WE MIGHT COME IN WITH A UNIFIED SITE PLAN DURING THE REVIEW PORTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS TO PROGRAM THE SIGNAGE ASPECTS.

BESIDES WHAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAINS.

THAT WILL COME IN TO MAKE IT ONE THEME AND ONE CONCEPT FOR THE SIGNAGE. THOSE ARE TWO WAIVERS THAT WE'VE REQUESTED IN THE PUD. THE OTHER ITEM THAT I WOULD REQUEST IS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEER RIGHT NOW ON THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD AND LET ME GO TO IT SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.

WHERE MY POINTER IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD THAT FEEDS OUT TO 210 AND IT WILL SPECIFICALLY GO STRAIGHT INTO THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS AND BE INTER CONNECTED AND AVAILABLE TO BE USED BY ALL PARTIES IN ALL THE FOUNTAINS AND DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT ONE WE HAVE CRAFTED THE LANGUAGE FOR THAT AND THERE WAS ONE ELEMENT IN THERE IN TALKING WITH THE ENGINEER, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEIR PERMITTING AND DESIGN RIGHT NOW AND IT'S AN A ROADWAY, BUT THEY NEED ACTUALLY A MINOR MODIFICATION TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ROADWAY SO THEY HAVE ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMMING AN PERMIT TOGETHER DO, I'M JUST ESTIMATING THEY'RE AT LEAST NINE MONTHS OUT FROM ANY OF THOSE APPROVALS WHATSOEVER.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS, THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS COMING ON-LINE, A LOT OF THE INTENSITIES PROGRAMMED ON THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH ARE ESSENTIALLY BEING MOVED OVER TO THE FOUNTAIN'S EAST BECAUSE THE BULK OF THE CAMPUS IS PUSHING SOME OF THE INTENSITY OUT TO FOUNTAIN'S EAST AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEFORE YOU NOW.

BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS IN CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE THERE WAS ONE THING THAT SAID, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO START CONSTRUCTION ON FOUNTAIN'S EAST UNTIL THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO REVISE IS UNTIL THAT ACCESS ROAD APPROVED. THAT WAY CONSTRUCTION, EVEN IF IT TAKES ANOTHER SIX MONTHS AFTER, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN 18 MONTH TIMEFRAME THAT WE COULDN'T PULL A PERMIT ON FOUNTAIN'S EAST, SO I THINK APPROVAL IS THE RIGHT LANGUAGE FOR THAT. ONCE THAT ACCESS ROAD IS A PR PROVED WE CAN PULL OUR PERMITS FOR FOUNTAINS EASE. WE ASK FOR IT TO BE APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT WAS ONE MINOR CHANGE IN THE

PUD TEXT RIGHT NOW. >> MR. CHAIRMAN? IF I COULD INQUIRE ABOUT THAT AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE TEXT RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE SECTION-H IT SAYS THE SECOND ACCESS ROAD IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION PRIOR FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FOUNTAIN'S EAST PUD AND YOU ARE REQUESTING THAT IT SHOULD INSTEAD SAY ALONG THE LINES OF THE SECOND ACCESS ROAD SHALL BE APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT IN FOUNTAIN'S EAST? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> THE SECOND ACCESS ROADWAY SHALL BE APPROVED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT IN THE

FOUNTAIN'S USE PUD. >> THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT MEANS INSPECTION PERIOD. IS IT HANDED OVER AND THAT CAN BE A LENGTHY PROCESS AND THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY HOLD UP ALL OF FOUNTAIN'S EAST AND THAT'S WHAT WE ASK FOR RIGHT NOW.

>> APPRECIATE THAT. I WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR ON THAT.

>> SO THE MAIN ACCESS INTO THIS PARCEL.

[01:05:01]

ASCENSION PROPERTY TO GET TO IT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES.

AND, SO THE ASCENSION PROPERTY IS THIS FOUNTAIN'S EAST.

IT'S LIKE AN WILL AND SO WHERE THE PROPERTY TERMINATES IS THE START OF THE CAMPUS AND IT'S INTER CONNECTED AND WE'VE DESIGNED TO BE INTER CONNECTED INTO THE FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENTS AND THAT'S WHY THE INTERSECTION IS THERE.

THIS LAY-OUT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND WE'RE WORKING WITH BRAD DAVIS ON THAT. THEY'RE THE ENGINEERS FOR THAT

ROADWAY. >> WE HAVE JAN HERE NOW.

HELLO? >> HELLO.

JAN WITH TRANSPORTATION AND DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE WORKING WITH ALL OF THE PROJECTS TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE QUITE ACCESS. WE WILL NEED THE SECOND ACCESS WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT WARRANTS IT.

SO, ASSUMING THAT FOUNTAIN'S NORTH IS DEVELOPED FIRST AND THEN FOUNTAIN'S EAST, BUT IF HE'S CONTEMPLATED FOUNTAIN'S EAST STARTING OR MAYBE COMING ON-LINE BEFORE ALL OF FOUNTAIN'S NORTH SO MAYBE WITH LEGAL WE CAN WORK ON THE LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THAT SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HALTED EXACTLY, BUT IT WILL JUST NEED TO BE DONE ACCORDINGLY. SO I CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT HERE.

I NEED TO WORK WITH LEGAL TO CRAFT THE LANGUAGE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE AGENCY.

>> THAT'S OKAY WITH ME. >> YEAH, WE CONCUR.

WE'RE UP FRONT ALL ON BOARD TOTALLY AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE OTHER ROADWAY AND WE'RE ON BOARD WITH.

JUST CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE TO FINE TUNE IT.

THANK YOU. >> THE ONLY ODD BALL THING IS IF THAT ROADWAY DID NOT GET CONNECTED THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PARCEL EAST AND YOU WENT THROUGH THE ASCENSION PROPERTY

TO GET INTO THIS THING. >> IT'S UNLIKELY THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE REPRESENTING HERE AND WE THINK THE INTER CONNECTIVITY ASPECT IS KEY.

IT ALLOWS LIGHTS AND SIRENS TO GET IN THERE'S A QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH WILL STOP TRAFFIC NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE SO HAVING THAT FOUR WAY ALLOWS A LOT OF INTER CONNECTIVITY THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PROJECTS. I WILL SAY THIS.

THE MATHER DEVELOPER AND NOT THE ELSE SO HE'S THE CATALYST AND THE GLUE HELPING TO PULL THIS ENTIRE THING TOGETHER AND SO WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT IN OUR APPROACH WITH ST. JOHN'S COUNTY THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TIMING IS NOT HOLDING THE DEVELOPMENT UP OF FOUNTAIN'S EAST PER THE CONSTRUCTION LANGUAGE. IT WAS KIND OF A HARD LINE

LANGUAGE IN THERE. >> UNDERSTOOD.

>> YEP. >> BEFORE YOU GO, QUESTION?

>> SURE. >> WHAT YOU'VE OFFERED, THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY CHANGE TO A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'LL MAKE CONCERNING THIS EITHER NEGATIVELY OR POSITIVELY?

>> THAT'S REALLY A BRADLEY QUESTION.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS AGENCY COULD MAKE IT'S RECOMMENDATION AND WE COULD CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE BEFORE IT GETS TO THE BCC. IF THAT IMPACTS MR. WAINRIGHT

HOW YOU WOULD VOTE. >> NO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE RECOMMEND AND DON'T RECOMMEND.

>> WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE AND THIS BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, AS WELL AS ALL OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE IS AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TOO.

THANK YOU. >> WE'VE DONE THAT MANY TIMES, ARCHIE. WE'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES ALLOWING THE APPLICANT TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS THAT DON'T NECESSARILY RELATE TO WHAT WE'RE

DOING HERE. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING.

MR. KOPPENHAFER? >> I WANT TO GIVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT A THANK YOU FOR HELPING TO PUSH THIS FORWARD WITH THE EXPEDITED REVIEW.

I WILL SAY THIS ON THE RECORD. MIKE'S STAFF IS KNOCKING OUT REVIEWS AT A LEVEL I'VE NOT SEEN BEFORE.

KUDOS TO THEM FOR NOT GETTING CAUGHT IN THE WEEDS ON A LOT OF THINGS IN MY PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL OPINION THINGS ARE GOING GOOD, SO I GIVE KUDOS TO STAFF.

>> WELL CHRISTMAS IS COMING UP. [LAUGHTER] I SAW SOME OMAHA STEAKS GOING AROUND THE OTHER DAY.

[LAUGHTER] DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS OR SPEAKER CARDS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON-LINE?

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>> NO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY.

WE'LL GO THROUGH Q&A IF WE HAVE ANY?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ROLL CALL.

ANY EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS IN GENERAL.

MR. MATOVINA? >> NO EX PARTE OR QUESTIONS.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> NO EX PARTE, JUST A QUESTION THOUGH ON THE 450 MULTI-FAMILY HOMES, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON THE PARKING. SO THE 2.25 SPOTS TOWN TO ONE IS FOR THE AGE RESTRICTION PORTION OF THAT? AND THEN ALSO, 2.5 IS FOR THE ONE AND QUARTER REMINDER?

>> SO I'LL CLARIFY. THE ASSISTED LIVING ONLY IS ONE TO ONE. ONE UNIT PER ONE SPACE.

THAT'S TO BREAKDOWN HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE CARS.

NOT A LOT. THE OTHER ASPECT IS THE CONVENTIONAL APARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE SHARED USES ON, THERE'S A LOT OF VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL INTEGRATED USES AND SOME OF THOSE WILL BE ON STREET PARKING. SOME WILL PARK OUTSIDE THE ACTUAL APARTMENT. WE WANT IT TO BE VERY WALKABLE LIKE BEACH WALK HAS. THEY PUT IN THEIR 2017 ORDINANCE THAT ONE IS A 2.25 DOWN TO 1.8. JUST FOR CONVENTIONAL STUFF.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

I WILL SAY THIS. IT MIGHT WORK OUT TO BE THE AVERAGE. NOT ALL 450 WILL GO INTO MULTI-FAMILY PARCEL ON THE NORTHEAST.

SOME WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THE RETAIL BELOW AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE ON STREET PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO THERE'S THE DELTA THERE AND THEY MAY HAVE 2.25 ON THE CONVENTIONAL AREA, BUT OVERALL IT'S GOING TO BOIL DOWN TO 1.8.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

NO EX PARTE TO DECLARE. I THINK IT IS FINE PROJECT.

>> MR. WAINRIGHT? >> NO EX PARTE.

COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE AND SMART USE IN FILL PROJECT. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING, BUT I CERTAINLY AM NOT AN EXPERT ENOUGH TO SAY IT IS A LOUSY IDEA, BUT WE'LL KNOW. WE'LL KNOW WHEN THE PHONE RINGS

OR WHEN THE PHONE DOESN'T RING. >> IF I MAY ADD TO THAT.

WE ARE PLANNING A PARKING GARAGE SO AT THIS POINT THERE'S A PARKING GARAGE PLANNED, WRAPPED WITH USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO EVERYTHING IS NOT GOING TO BE PURELY AT GRADE ON STREET

PARKING AND PARKING LOTS. >> AND THE LAST PART, THE SITE PLAN, YOU WILL PROVIDE SUCH A SITE PLAN FOR REVIEW BY?

>> CONSTRUCTION PLAN APPROVAL TIMEFRAME LIKE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH.

IT HAD THE SAME WHERE IT WAS TOO EARLY TO HAVE A RIGID SIGN PLAN BECAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL AND THEIR USES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'LL HAVE VER ADVERTISING ON 95 AND THERE MIGHT BE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, AS WELL. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN WITH PACKING A UNIFIED SITE PLAN THEN TO COME BACK AND CHANGE IT AGAIN, SO THERE WILL BE A UNIFIED THEMED SIDE PLAN THAT'S WITHOUT QUESTION APART OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S TOO EARLY ON THE DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT PHASE.

>> GOT IT. THANK YOU.

>> LOOKS GOOD TO ME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> DOCTOR HILSENBECK? >> I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, YOU STATED THAT IT MIGHT BE 18 MONTHS BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THIS SITE? I THINK I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY.

AFTER THAT DATE, IF THAT IS THE CORRECT DATE WHAT IS YOUR PROJECTED BUILD OUT OF FOUNTAIN'S EAST?

>> SO THE CLARIFICATION IS, I WAS MENTIONING 18 MONTHS WAS, IT COULD BE THAT FOR THE ROADWAY. THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING THROUGH DEVELOPMENT RIGHT ENTITLEMENT AND DESIGN AND PERMITTING ITEMS RIGHT NOW, THAT CAN BE ALONG PROCESS, SO OUR DEVELOPMENT PERMITS WERE PREDICATED UPON THE EXISTING HARD LANGUAGE IN THE PUD SO WE'RE MODIFYING THAT, SO THE 18 MONTHS WAS STRICTLY FOR THE ROADWAY AND THAT IT COULD BE 18 MONTHS. WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPEDITE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE IN CONCERT WITH THE SECONDARY ACCESS ROAD AND THE FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENT UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

WE CANNOT PACK FOUNTAIN'S EAST UNTIL WE HAVE MORE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT AND INSPECTED ON THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAINS OFF 210. 18 MONTHS WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I CAN'T PUT A TIMEFRAME TO IT. I KNOW WE'RE VERY, VERY LUCKY TO

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THE QUICKER THEY CAN TURN ON THIS, IT'S ALL THE BETTER.

BUT 18 MONTHS IT WAS TIMEFRAME I WAS REFERENCING WITH THE ACCESS RO ROAD.

>> THAT IS FINE. I WONDER AFTER YOU COMMENCE ON FOUNTAIN'S EAST WHAT YOUR PROJECTED BUILD OUT DATE MIGHT

BE? >> AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

I THINK WE HAVE A FIVE YEAR TIMEFRAME PHASING SCHEDULE BUILT IN THERE SO WE'RE HOPING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT THIS THING REALLY BUILDS UPON THE CATALYST AND THE THINGS THAT THE HOSPITAL BRINGS AS ONE OF THE ANCHOR, HIGH PROFILE ELEMENTS IN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT FROM I-95, AND THEN IT'S FRAMED BY WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN. WE'RE HOPING IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THERE'S A LOT OF HEAD WAY GOING ON.

MUCH QUICKER THAN THAT CLEARLY, BUT I THINK FIVE YEAR IS A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME FOR A BUILD OUT.

>> I'M GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT SAINT VINCENT ASCENSION HAVING HOSPITAL THERE ON THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTHEAST IN THE AGENDA ITEM AND THE MATERIALS I READ THOUGH, YOU STATED FOR FOUNTAIN'S EAST THERE WAS GOING TO BE A 200,000 SQUARE FOOT HOSPITAL.

IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY YOU LUMPED THAT INTO 300,000 SQUARE FEET WITH PROFESSIONAL AND MEDICAL HOSPITALS AND HOSPITALS, SO IS THERE GOING TO BE ANOTHER HOSPITAL ON THE FOUNTAIN'S EAST

PARCEL? >> I CAN SAY NO.

THAT IS A GREAT CATCH. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO IS NOT HAVE A THOUSAND BULLET POINTS ON THE PRESENTATION, SO I COMBINED HOSPITAL AND OUT PATIENT AND SURGICAL SQUARE FEET USE SO THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE ABOUT 200,000 PROGRAMED FOR HOSPITAL AND THAT'S TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION OF THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS, WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK.

IF THE HOSPITAL IS GOING ON THEIR PHASED APPROACH IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBER IS.

THE 200 VERSES 300 IN THE PRESENTATION.

IT DOES INCLUDE THE HOSPITAL AND THEN THE 100 OUT PATIENT AND CLINICAL TYPE USES. THE IDEA AND NOTION THAT ANOTHER HOSPITAL WOULD GO HERE A COMPETITOR IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY TO ALMOST A GUARANTEED NO. ASCENSION ST. VINCENT'S DID A LOT TO GET HERE AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THE PROPERTY AND ST.

JOHN'S COUNTY IS AS WELL BUT TO SAY THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM OR COMPETITIVE SPIRIT TO HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HOSPITAL BRAND COME HERE AND PUT THEIR OWN STAMP IN HERE. IT'S NOT MEANT FOR THAT.

THIS IS NOW MEANT FOR ASCENSION SAINT VINCENTS.

>> OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION CONCERNED 450 MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS EQUATING TO ABOUT 20 AGE SCHOOL CHILDREN WITHOUT GOING INTO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR NIECE HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S ALREADY HEAVILY OVERCAPACITY. WELL OVER A THOUSAND STUDENTS OVER CAPACITY. EVEN WITH SPILL OVER AND BACK TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE NEW HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S SUPPOSED TO TAKE SOME OF THE OVERLOAD, BUT FOR NIECE, EVERYTHING EAST OF I-95, WHICH YOU ARE, THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE ZONED FOR NIECE HIGH SCHOOL. SO ALREADY A THOUSAND STUDENTS OVERCAPACITY AND YOU'RE GOING TO ADD ANOTHER 85 STUDENTS TO THAT OR 86, I THINK IT WAS 85 AND A HALF, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE HALF A STUDENT. SO 86 SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN GOING THERE. I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE A WHILE OFF, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASK ABOUT YOUR BUILD OUT DATE.

THAT'S CONCERNING TO ME, BUT I DEFER TO DOCTOR MCCORMICK ON WHAT HE THINKS AS THE SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE.

MY FINAL COMMENT THOUGH, BESIDES SOILS THAT ARE POORLY DRAINED OR VERY POORLY DRAINED ON THE SITE, IS THAT IN CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH FRIENDS, ACQUAINTANCES, ADVERSARIES, ET CETERA, ONE OF THE TOP THREE COMMENTS I GET. TOP THREE TOPICS, EXCUSE ME, THAT'S BROUGHT UP IS THE RAMPANT GROWTH IN THE COUNTY AND AS OF SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, WE ALREADY HAVE OVER 60,000

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THAT'S 60,000 SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IS THE RUSH TO APPROVE MORE DEVELOPMENT UNITS RIGHT NOW, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT UNITS AND STACK MORE ENTITLEMENTS ON TOP OF ENTITLEMENTS? I JUST AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH AND A LOT OF THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. I JUST AM, IF THIS WERE STRICTLY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION LOVES THAT FOR THE TAX BAKERS I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA? I'M JUST HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN COMMENT ON THAT.

I'D APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION. THANKS.

>> SURE. I'LL RESPOND.

SO THE SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN WE HAVE 85.5 AND THAT'S ACTUALLY SPREAD OUT OVERALL SCHOOL AGE, SO I'M NOT, YOU KNOW NICOLE WOULD BE THE BEST TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT I CAN'T SAY ALL 85 THAT WOULD POPULATE WOULD GO TO THERE THEY WOULD BE SPREAD OUT OVER OTHER SCHOOLS CLEARLY. THIS IS A THEORETICAL THING, AS WELL. THIS IS A THEORETICAL MAXIMUM FOR GROWTH AND PLANNING PURP PURPOSES. AND 85 SPREAD OUT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, AGAIN WE JUST HAVE TO ASSUME IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF AGE GROUPS FOR EVERY AGE GROUP.

WITH RESPECT TO OUR SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL, WE ARE NOT SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWN HOME. THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT IS CENTERED AROUND MULTI-FAMILY AND CONDO AND APARTMENT.

SO MY OPINION IS ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS VASTLY BEHIND THE CURVE FOR CONVENTIONAL APARTMENTS.

IN ADDITION TO WALKABILITY. OUT ON 210 BECAUSE THEY CAN LIVE AND WORK IN THIS SMALLER COMMUNITY.

BETWEEN THE THREE FOUNTAINS THAT WE'RE PERMITTING.

WE'VE HAD SO MUCH GOOD TRACTION WITH THE FOUNTAIN'S NORTH AND FOUNTAIN'S EAST AND IT'S CLEARLY BEEN A GROWTH OF EACH FOUNTAIN'S DEVELOPMENT PER THE MARKET DEMAND AND WE FEEL THAT THE RESIDENTIAL CONVENTIONAL MULTI-FAMILY IS NOW A PRODUCT, AS WELL INCLUDING THE JUMPING OF IT ON US.

SO WE'RE REAL EXCITED ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD.

THAT'S MY RESPONSE. >> THEN FINALLY MR. MCCORMICK.

>> MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE GET TO DOCTOR MCCORMICK DOCTOR HILSENBECK JUMPED INTO HIS QUESTIONS BEFORE I HEARD IF HE

HAD ANY EX PARTE TO DISCLOSE. >> NONE.

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING. >> DOCTOR MCCORMICK?

>> EX PARTE? >> I'M HERE.

FIRST OF ALL, NO EX PARTE. BRAD? HAVE YOU OR PEOPLE UNDER YOU BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS AT ALL WITH NICOLE ABOUT THIS SCHOOL SITUATION?

>> NO, SIR, NOT DIRECTLY. WE'LL BE APPLYING FOR A SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IN CONCERT WITH THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS WHEN WE COME IN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVALS.

AND THEN OF COURSE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE NEWS.

I THINK THERE WAS AN ARTICLE JUST RELEASED ABOUT THE TWO NEW HIGH SCHOOLS COMING ON-LINE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY SOON.

I HAVE NOT BEEN IN A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH NICOLE YET ON

THIS. >> OKAY.

WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE SCHEDULE I THINK ON THE 14TH OF DECEMBER AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'LL COME TO REPORT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO I'M SURE IT WILL BE A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING ON THE 14TH.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET TOGETHER WITH NICOLE BEFORE THAT BECAUSE WE'LL BE GRILLING YOU OUT ON THAT I'M SURE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

>> ALRIGHT. >> NO MORE COMMENTS, BY THE WAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> OR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT,

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RIGHT? >> WE HAVE NO CARDS AND NOBODY

IS ON-LINE. >> WE'RE GOOD? BRAD YOU GOT ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT?

>> JUST PUTTING MY TASKS DOWN. SO NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM ME.

>> THEN WE'RE BACK IN THE AGENCY FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR A

MOTION, PLEASE? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

>> ALRIGHT. PLEASE DO.

>> IF NO ONE ELSE IS. THIS IS AN EASY ONE OR A SHORT ONE, I SHOULD SAY. MY MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF PUD 2020-09 MOUNTAIN'S EAST BASED ON NINE FINDINGS OF FACT AS LISTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

>> SECOND. >> SECONDED BY MR. WAINRIGHT.

ALRIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE WE'LL GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL VOTE ONCE AGAIN.

MR. MATOVINA? >> YES.

>> MR. ALAIMO? >> YES.

>> MR. KOPPENHAFER YES. WAINRIGHT?

>> YES. >> DOCTOR HILSENBECK?

>> NO. >> DOCTOR MCCORMICK?

>> YES. >> MOTION CARRIES 5 TO 1.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, BRAD.

ALRIGHT. THAT IS IT FOR OUR SHORT AGENDA

[Reports]

>> MR. CHAIR, MICROBETTER SON. COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOUR DECEMBER 3RD MEETING LOOKS LIGHT RIGHT NOW.

THREE ITEMS. THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

ALSO MR. FOREST COTTON WILL BE THE NEW GROWTH MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR AND HE'S STARTING I THINK DECEMBER FIRST SO IT'S LIKELY UNLESS HE DECIDES TO CHANGE HIM AND MRS. BISHOP WILL BE SITTING HERE AND THAT'S BASED ON WHAT HE CHOOSES TO DO.

AND THEN LASTLY, I HAVANT A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

>> YOU TOO. SO WE GOT A NEW FELLAH HERE AND ALRIGHT. I GUESS LET'S HAVE HIM TALK ABOUT HIMSELF FOR A MINUTE OR TWO.

GET TO KNOW HIM AND THEN WE'LL GET TO KNOW OUR NEW ATTORNEY STAFF, WHICH I GUESS ALREADY LEFT.

>> I THINK THAT WAS REBECCA. SHE WITH US HERE BECAUSE SHE HANDLED THE UTILITY DEPARTMENT, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING NEW LAND-USE ATTORNEY, AS WELL WHICH I THINK IS SCHEDULED TO START IN THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME, SO YOU'LL GET

ME FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. >> WONDERFUL.

>> ANY AGENCY REPORTS? EVERYBODY GOOD FOR NEXT MEETING?

>> YES, SIR. >> ALRIGHT.

MAKE A MOTION

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